Small interval for grouping data to a coder / TUE 10-19-21 / Downloads in the testing phase / Layered buildup in the Arctic / Rushed old-style / Prominent left-leaning political action committee

Tuesday, October 19, 2021

Constructor: Ross Trudeau

Relative difficulty: Medium


THEME: THE BRONTËS (28D: Literary trio found in the answers to this puzzle's starred clues) — Emily, Charlotte, and Anne are all in there:

Theme answers:
  • CHARLOTTE'S WEB (19A: *Children's book whose title character says "If I can fool a bug, I can surely fool a man. People are not as smart as bugs")
  • EMILY'S LIST (25D: *Prominent left-leaning political action committee)
  • AUNTIE ANNE'S (6D: *Chain known for its soft pretzels)
Word of the Day: BIN (40A: Small interval for grouping data, to a coder) —

Data binning, also called discrete binning or bucketing, is a data pre-processing technique used to reduce the effects of minor observation errors. The original data values which fall into a given small interval, a bin, are replaced by a value representative of that interval, often the central value. It is a form of quantization.

Statistical data binning is a way to group numbers of more or less continuous values into a smaller number of "bins". For example, if you have data about a group of people, you might want to arrange their ages into a smaller number of age intervals (for example, grouping every five years together). It can also be used in multivariate statistics, binning in several dimensions at once. (wikipedia)

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The concept is basic enough that I would be surprised if it hadn't been done a bunch before over the years. The problem would normally be that just having other women with those first names as the themers would be kind of dull. This puzzle seems to try to get around that problem by featuring the women's names as they are found in various titles (and always in the possessive). They're still women's names, obviously, but this expression of the theme is probably better than if the themers had simply EMILY POST, ANNE RICE, and CHARLOTTE ... RAMPLING? Why can't I think of any famous Charlottes. Weird. Anyway, this theme gets a lift from having the themers be titles instead of mere names, as well as from the unusual grid shape, which makes the whole thing feel like some kind of Monday / Friday hybrid. Lots of wide-open space and long answers alongside long answers, more characteristic of late-week than early-week grids. Also, mirror symmetry, which is increasingly common but still relatively uncommon and visually striking. I struggled most with CHARLOTTE'S WEB, as I was expecting a human "title character," and with CHAR- up front, I was thinking CHARLIE BROWN or CHARLIE whatever his name is from Willie Wonka, or CHARLES somebody. Wrong species, wrong gender. After I sorted that out, everything seemed pretty easy and typically Tuesdayish.


Here's how I opened the puzzle. JAMB was pretty straightforward, but I was even more certain than usual with JAMB because any time my first guess involves a high-value Scrabble tile (esp. "J" or "Q") being slotted into the primary position for both an Across and a Down, my faith in my first guess spikes—that is precisely where those letter want to live. If you wanna jam a "J" in your grid, that's typically where you jam(b) it:


As you can (maybe) see, I was not certain of 4-Down at first, so I dropped down and checked the crosses on the latter half of the answer to see if my guess was correct (it was—>4D: Downloads in the testing phase = BETA APPS). I inferred the existence of BETA APPS from "beta-testing," a concept I'm familiar with. You can see here that we get a lot of repeaters right up front, some of them everyday (ALOE, ALEC) one of them a bit crustier (RLS), and then ERIS, which is the next thing I wrote into the grid after I took this screenshot (just under LAMP). We also run into MAA HEA SST SOU ESSO APU THA ESSO. It's a lot, but none of it makes me ILL, and this theme has such an odd and possibly demanding structure to it that I'm going to assume those repeaters were largely necessary to hold the thing together. Like glue. It would be great if the glue were a little less noticeable, but the theme concept is interesting enough, and the grid showy enough, that it doesn't really matter. 


There are two UPs in the grid (ALL TIED UP, PILE UP), which is legal, it's just that I definitely noticed the repetition mid-solve (as opposed to after, when I'm taking inventory), so it was definitely a distraction ("Didn't we already...?"), if only a brief one. It's a pretty clean grid (aforementioned short repeaters notwithstanding), and the bonus long answers give it a liveliness a regular early-week themed puzzle might not have. I especially like SNOW PACK, which isn't flashy, but does feel original. OK, this EARLY RISER has to go put the coffee on. Maybe I'll pull a Brontë off the shelf. Something by Anne, whom I haven't read. Villette? Is that something? Whoops, nope. I mean, yes, it is, but it's Charlotte. Anne wrote Agnes Grey and The Tenant of Wildfell Hall. Well, I know we don't have those in the house. Off to the library, I guess. Take care.

Signed, Rex Parker, King of CrossWorld

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109 comments:

Conrad 5:33 AM  


I'm sure that the set of those who use BIN in the manner described in 40A includes both coders and statisticians, but I suspect a much smaller number (and percentage) of coders. I saw "coder" and thought BIt, but OZOtE made no sense.

Lewis 6:45 AM  

Some random thoughts:
• COUCH and ENNUI make for good puzz-neighbors.
• That “pit” in the MOSH clue pairs well with PEACH.
• POLO / RATSO / KENO / OTTO / SAYSO / ESSO / TYPO
• I know most solvers don’t care about this – and there’s really no reason why they should – but this had to be one bear of a puzzle to bring off cleanly, with its big vertical stacks in the middle, east, and west. With the only major casualty being HEA, in my opinion, this just goes to show that Ross is highly skilled at his art.
• TURNIP… OMG, turnips! Is there anyone else in the world that relishes—relishes! – turnips besides me?
• Is this the first time we’ve actually seen a picture of Ross’s face on XwordInfo?
• ARTS makes for a nice echo of yesterday’s “art forms” puzzle.

The theme didn’t hit me until I filled in the reveal, so there was a sweet little aha at that moment, which is perfect, because this strikes me as a sweet little puzzle. Thank you, Ross!

Anonymous 7:23 AM  

WTF is THA? Google is of no help

kitshef 7:23 AM  

Felt like all the difficulty was crammed into one area – that CHEZ (Café first)/KENO/BIN(???)/ROE (sOy first) stack.

Only acceptable clue for THA is the elephant from The Jungle Book.

THEBRONTES sounds like a Shakespearean character.
Polonius: Oh, I am slain!
Thebrontes: Alack!

amyyanni 7:26 AM  

Did a report on the Bronte sisters in HS, so this is UP my alley. Yes, @Lewis, my HS chum, whose parents were from Finland, makes turnip casserole for Thanksgiving.
A Tuesday Grand Slam Puzzle. So good!

Son Volt 7:26 AM  

Unlike Rex - I thought the possessive themers were clunky given the literary trio revealer. Cute theme - too much trivia in the fill. Liked SENIORITIS and EARLY RISER. The ROE - EMILYS LIST connection was neat - although I have many friends who frown on the singularity of their platform. Like the recent pattern from G spot to today’s ALL TIED UP.

It’s very simple - get the JAB.

Not the most enjoyable Tuesday.

Trey 7:28 AM  

Enjoyable puzzle. Definitely "medium" challenging for a Tuesday. It felt harder but my time was not that bad. There were a lot of good long answers beside the themes - EARLY RISERS, ACUTE ACCENTS, MONOTHEISTS and SENIORITIS

Question about SB - does anyone have problems with words entered getting the message that they are not on the list, only to find them on the list the next day when checking? That happened to me yesterday when I typed in BONING and got the "Not in word list" message, and figured it was not NYT-appropriate language and did not doubt it.

Trey 7:31 AM  

Liked that @Rex put "See Emily Play" in the post - very good remake of a very early Pink Floyd song

Z 7:32 AM  

Martha Wainright covering Pink Floyd. Nice video choice.

Despite Rex’s high praise of this (puncturing the Rex hates Ross BS posited too often) it is a double PPP theme at is base so sub-optimal in concept to me. Double PPP because we get a mall chain, kid lit, and a PAC all doubling as 19th century Brit Lit. If there’s a Literature subject more boring than 19th Century Brit Lit I have yet to run across it, making this an even less interesting theme concept here. I see anything Brontë and just want to make dinosaur jokes for my own amusement. In short, sussed out the theme i shrugged a mehty shrug.

OTOH - I just did the Monday New Yorker puzzle. A Gorski themeless with triple triple stacks. 👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽 I especially liked the middle triple with its pairing of The Jetsons and Fifty Shades of Grey. This was an easy Friday puzzle at most, maybe just Wednesday level difficulty, so pretty accessible to most solvers, and tons of fun to solve.

Zonker 7:36 AM  

Did hell freeze over? Are pigs flying?

Georgia 7:44 AM  

"Tha Carter V is the twelfth studio album by American rapper Lil Wayne. It was released on September 28, 2018, by Young Money Entertainment and Republic Records." Wikipedia

Georgia 7:55 AM  

I find that the challenging level New Yorker puzzles have a lot more youthful factual references (mostly young, hip pop culture or college literary) and less word play than the NYT. As I work on them I "hear" complaints about that in my head as if I'm reading this blog. Good contrast for puzzlers.

Joe R. 8:02 AM  

I had trouble coming up with a famous CHARLOTTE too. My first thought was Charlotte from Sex and the City, but who knows her last name? I had to look it up, and then it was only sort of familiar. I eventually turned to a list of famous Charlottes, and after browsing past a number of names I didn’t know, I landed on Charlotte Church, who is at least somewhat recognizable.

SouthsideJohnny 8:06 AM  

Nice write-up by OFL today, btw. So much more enjoyable when he confines his comments to the nature, characteristics and quality of the puzzle - yes, some of us are actually interested and enjoy learning more about the intricacies involved in constructing a quality puzzle.

I liked this one since for me it skewed a touch difficult for a Tuesday, but it seemed pretty fair and balanced overall. Although I had heard of the Bronte babes before, I’m definitely not on a first name basis and got totally lost on the revealer - the term BIN for data just seemed off, so I blanked on that - and I thought the Italian number eight would start with OCT (something like OCTA) - so technically a DNF on the PPP revealer crossing a foreign word, which is pretty much my nemesis anyway.

I imagine RATSO will be a stretch for some, what was it - like 1969 ? I definitely miss NORA Ephron - she wrote and produced such wonderful movies.

Frantic Sloth 8:11 AM  

Oddly, HEA was my favorite answer. "The Fool On the Hill" resonates with me. Hmm...mystifying.

Liked it more than the average Tuesdee - didn't Tuezz very much, which is a big plus.

🧠.5
🎉🎉.75

Keith D 8:11 AM  

@Trey 7:28 - yes, same problem, but for me it was BOING. Did not recognize, but there it is in the list today. Oddly, BONING did go in for me. Weird.

thfenn 8:12 AM  

Yes to enjoying the music clip, but it's Charlotte Rampling that's got my attention this AM. LOL, never saw Zardoz, and there's a fair chance I never will, but somewhere got a teenage crush on her, lover her in the verdict, and have taken in Broadchurch and The Red Sparrow of late. Reminds me I probably ought to take in The Night Porter someday.

Thought this was a fine Tuesday. Enjoyed (and remember) SENIORITIS, along with SNOWPACK, EARLYRISER, and the cluing for ACUTEACCENT (which got me thinking of accents I like). Also glad I now know the goddess of discord, seems like a good name to have handy these days.

Does everyone automatically go with NYY for Boston's rival? I've spent most of my life feeling that way, but the intensity's worn off, and they're no longer at the top of my "hope they fail" list. Very happy this AM - the odds of Boston being the CHAMP are improving daily.

Frantic Sloth 8:45 AM  

@Z 732am 🤣🤣👍Gonna hafta steal "shrugged a mehty shrug". And now I'm off to do the Gorski! Rex doesn't hate RT? 😉

Trey 8:48 AM  

@kitshef 7:23 - could have also used Charlamagne tha God - it is well-enough known in pop culture. I personally have never heard of the Jungle Book elephant

Anonymous 8:54 AM  

@Zzzz 19th C British lit includes Frankenstein, Dracula, Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde, Alice in Wonderland/Through the Looking Glass, Heart of Darkness, The Picture of Dorian Gray, and The Time Machine. If these were as boring as you suggest, I doubt they would have been as frequently adapted to the screen as they have been. Maybe not every book written in the period is quite as thrilling (though I wouldn't write the others off—The Woman in White by Wilkie Collins will keep you reading late into the night), but it won't do to make such indefensible generalizations.

@Rex, no Kate Bush Wuthering Heights music video for us?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1pMMIe4hb4

Anonymous 9:08 AM  

CHARLOTTE Rae. What? You didn't watch "The Facts of Life"? I didn't either but somehow knew of the show and Mrs. Garrett.

bocamp 9:12 AM  

Thx Ross, for this excellent Bronte sisters puz! :)

Med., with a bit of crunch.

Top to bottom solve, ending at SAYSO.

Only hitch was BAA before MAA, which delayed my seeing MONOTHEISTS.

Thank goodness for fair crosses, esp since I didn't have a 'clue' as to AUNTIE ANNE'S.

Another enjoyable adventure.

@jae

Two long sessions on Croce's Freestyle 653. May have been the toughest one ever in which to gain a foothold in each section. Ended with a one cell dnf at the acronym / flower intersection. Maybe I'll at least remember one of them, lol. I'm very pleased to have come so close, tho. See you next Mon. :)

@okanaganer (3:08 PM yd)

You're right; I hadn't even noticed that until you pointed it out. Most unusual, indeed! 🤔

@TTrimble 👍 for 0 yd
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yd pg -1

Peace ~ Compassion ~ Tolerance ~ Kindness to all 🕊

Anonymous 9:13 AM  

Frantic - that is Nowhere Man, not Fool on a Hill.

Unknown 9:16 AM  

I am a coder and never use bin that way. Bucket, yes, not bin.

mathgent 9:16 AM  

Neat theme. I had to work a bit to get the 3x5 rectangle at the middle center. I learned EMILYSLIST. Very clean grid. Good puzzle.

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Glen Laker 9:20 AM  

My Bee took boning, which, by the way, is very different from my Bae taking boning. My guess, Trey, is that you got a little over-excited with the idea of boning, and misspelled it.

Glen Laker 9:22 AM  

Well, Keith, it’s always good when boning goes in. (I can do this all day).

SouthsideJohnny 9:23 AM  

@Lewis 6:45 - simmer the turnips in milk (add some herbs and a clove of garlic) till fork tender. Transfer the turnips and some of the poaching liquid to a blender with butter, salt, pepper (and perhaps a little nutmeg). Puree until smooth - awesome !

jberg 9:43 AM  

Well there's Queen CHARLOTTE, her eponymous dessert, and various places named after her, like CHARLOTTE North Carolina -- but the latter two would get a little away from the personal name as Bronte name thing. You could clue Cape ANNE, except that it's Ann, as is the architectural style. Anyway, Queen Charlotte is too long, and I've always loved that spider.

Anyone else read "Teed off" and automatically write in iRatE?

But to get to the heart of the matter here -- shouldn't it be PIX?

@Lewis -- I love them sauteed ini either butter or olive oil, or grilled. They can be delicious pureed, too, but you need a light touch. Or mixed with parsnips and roasted. I can skip the rutabagas, though.

RooMonster 9:46 AM  

Hey All !
Must be the IT GUY today, as my non-knowing-anything-literature brain actually recognized the three names as THE BRONTES. Wow! No SENIORITIS today! Thanks, puzs. Really wanted BRONTE SISTERS (they were sisters, right?), but too long.

High Blocker count today, 41 courtesy of the four cheater squares. Seems weird the Blockers add up to an odd number. Must be a left/right symmetry thing.

Nice TuesPuz. I like to think about the constructor saying, "Ooh, I can find things that contain THE BRONTES names, and make a theme! Oh, drat, I have two 10's, a 13, and an 11. Hmm. I know, left/right symmetry!" /Scene

No F's (TYPO?)
RooMonster
DarrinV

Carola 9:47 AM  

I'll take the (almost) central PEACH as my word of the day: a lovely theme with such a creative way of hiding THE BRONTES in plain sight and such a pleasing layout, along with the outstanding theme-flanking Downs. Mostly easy here, except that, not being an IT GUY, I had to wait for crosses on APPS and BIN.

Whatsername 9:54 AM  

Just yesterday we were discussing difficulty levels of EARLY week puzzles and today we get a relatively difficult one. Semi-tough in the sense that all theme answers and the revealer are Proper Names. Fair enough, just not my favorite way to Tuesday. I’ll join @Zwhatever his name is this week and @Frantic in that mehty shrug.

Why doesn’t anyone ever call the IT GAL? I mean this puzzle is full of them: ANNE, EMILY, NORA, OPAL, ERIS, HOPE and CHARLOTTE who even has her own WEB.

When I got up this morning I couldn’t remember what day of the week it is. Could I be suffering from SENIORITIS? If you SAY SO.

Now is the time to harvest your TURNIP crop if you have one. “Plant in July, wet or dry. Pull in October, drunk or sober.” That was a favorite joke of my dear departed favorite AUNTIE who sometimes tested out the Fall phase of that theory. And yes @Lewis, I absolutely love them, raw and salty or cooked with some butter and sugar added.



Anonymous 9:55 AM  

I really liked this one! Great for a Tuesday, which (like Mondays) typically suffer from needing to be so easy that they're rarely interesting. I thought this theme was charming but approachable, and I also thought the long answers included some good ones for a Tuesday (Senioritis!). Basically, the best an "easy" puzzle can get!

albatross shell 9:56 AM  

GAL Gadot, @Nancy's favorite GAL pal, Bub.

Nice lookin' symmetry. with the themers all lit up. A tad religious. For the Bronte worshippers?

Really about as simple as yesterday's theme. Names a bit better than letters? Plus a literary kick in the pants.

The White literary kick in is nice. A pretzel company and a political fundrasing lobbying group not much to shout about.

ALLTIEDUP SENOIRITUS ENNUI JAB JAMB SHAG all good. Hey there's OTTO ARTS and just a single MAA. Where's MAAMAA? Oh, PAPA instead.

I enjoyed yesterday's fill more than most. I suppose todays will be more popular here. I'd say it might edge it out, but not by much.
Yesterday: where is RTA?
Today where's Branwell?

Sir Hillary 9:58 AM  

Yikes, this week is not off to a good start. Not sure today's puzzle has any more of a "theme" than yesterday's.

Nice middle column stack though, although using the laughably awful HEA as the waistband ain't pretty.

Speaking of laughable (in a good way this time), I chuckled at Rex's "Zardoz" PIC.

@Trey 7:28 -- Weird about BONING, because SB accepted it for me.

Frantic Sloth 9:58 AM  

@Anonymous 913am 👍🤣🤣🤣 I rest my case.

Marcie 10:08 AM  

Charlotte Amelie

TJS 10:09 AM  

@Z, "a pretty clean grid" and "none of it makes me ill". Is that the "high praise" you are referring to ? It hardly offsets the absurd level of nitpicking Rex usually resorts to in reviewing a Trudeau puzzle. It is his blog and he can write whatever he wants, but why deny that he has personal motives when reviewing certain constructors?

Nancy 10:17 AM  

What a terrific quote from CHARLOTTE'S WEB. I didn't remember it, natch, but it makes me want to go back and reread it. I remember loving it as a child, but that's all I remember about it. For those who never read it -- do.

A TYPO mislead on a Tuesday (52D)! Wonderful!!!

An ACUTE ACCENT mislead on a Tuesday (7D)! Marvelous!!!

A golf mislead for "teed off" (49D) on a Tuesday. Fabulous!!!

And terrific uncrosswordy fill such as SENIORITIS, MONOTHEISTS and EMILY'S LIST. On a Tuesday! Oh, such happiness!

Some of us discussed yesterday whether early-week puzzles had an obligation to be easy and (to my mind, at least) mindless. I said "Please, no!" yesterday and today's beauty bears me out. This is just the way I like my early week puzzles.

Since I can barely remember what I had for dinner last night, I certainly can't remember all the way back to what I craved when I was a newbie solver. (Many decades ago.) But I doubt I would have wanted any puzzle to coddle me and condescend to my level. I imagine I would have wanted it to lift me up to its level. I imagine I would have enjoyed all challenges and aspired to the day when I would be finally able to meet them.

Anyway, lovely puzzle, Ross. Very enjoyable and smooth.

tea73 10:22 AM  

I just happen to be in the middle of rereading Jane Eyre - news flash - it's more compelling at fourteen! Did not recognize the quote from CHARLOTTE'S WEB, despite having read it multiple times it was a staple of the Grade 3 curriculum at my kids' school. Hadn't a clue about BIN, though I imagine my older kid the programmer would have been of help. I miss him he's off on the west coast and we last saw him in January of 2020. He doesn't do crosswords, but when he's home, he always sits next to us on the couch and just happens to come up with answers.

GILL I. 10:31 AM  

And next week...brought to you by none other than a worthy puzzle on how to eat you're turnips...we will get (POLY)THEISM and the clue will be: Hindus but not Muslims, eg.
Nice Tuesday with some true grit. I had to be a bit careful because there were some of those things I didn't know. I know my TURNIPS but I wouldn't know who makes my pretzels. I am happy for AUNTIE ANNES and her soft pretzel chain; I only know the New York vendor on the corner street who slathers them with mustard. Would his name be Uncle Bub? I also have trouble with all the computer app names and things. I call everything the "whatchamadoogie."
By the way....can you guess what SHAG means in England? I guess you could catch some fly balls if you SHAG.
Worthy and fun puzzle, Ross. Mil gracias....

jae 10:36 AM  

Easy-medium. Did not know BIN (as clued) so the theme helped.

Tight theme with some fine non-theme long downs, liked it a bunch!

Tom T 10:37 AM  

Sunday's puzzle has left me with this unanticipated obsession with noticing/looking for diagonal words (3 letter minimum) "hidden" in the grid. Today's word is the answer to this clue: ______ bar

It can be located, if anybody wants to play along, in the SW portion of today's puzzle.

Barbara S. 10:43 AM  

This puzzle was both in and out of my wheelhouse. I know THE BRONTËS and CHARLOTTE’S WEB, but not EMILY’S LIST or AUNTIE ANNE’S. (I challenge some future constructor – and future solvers, for that matter – to manage a puzzle based on Currer, Ellis and Acton, the BRONTË sisters’ pseudonyms. No? OK, you’re right.) I looked up EMILY’s LIST and found that EMILY is an acronym for “Early Money Is Like Yeast”. To which Ellen Malcolm (the founder of EMILY’S LIST), talking about fund-raising, added “it makes the dough rise.” So in the puzzle, EARLY RISER is amazingly appropriate right beside EMILY’S LIST.

There were six kids in THE BRONTË family and poor PAPA BRONTË had to bury them all: the word ILL is a little too apt for this theme. They were pretty well off, living in the parsonage and eating decent food. They all died of TB (or consumption, as they called it) and it’s now thought they were weakened by drinking water contaminated by the neighboring cemetery and the town’s outdoor privies. Let us give thanks for modern plumbing.

I liked seeing the other writers in the grid, RLS and NORA Ephron. I never knew that meaning of the verb SHAG and would have said it meant something quite different (hi, @Gill!). I was also brought up short by hijab’s clueing VEIL – I would have said scarf – but I guess something can be a veil without covering your face. I seemed to want my genie in a bottle, saw the four-letter slot and thought “vial”? LAMP is just fine. Likewise, I wondered how I was going to squish “croquet” into four squares for the “sport with mallets”. We recently had CHEZ clued almost identically, so that helped.

Did THE BRONTËS ever have a TYPO? Only in their publisher’s proofs, I guess (and that would have been a TYPsetO). Composing lengthy texts by hand astonishes me now, but of course everybody did it that way until the invention of the typewriter which, though helpful in many respects, had serious limitations when it came to correcting and redrafting. If I'm going to write anything other than a shopping list, I'm lost without my trusty laptop.

yd 0 (!)
td – not started

Pete 10:44 AM  

@TJS - "Why deny he has personal motives...."? Why does any one assume it? When Rex states that he likes/dislikes something, he almost always supports those statements with examples. You may or may not agree with him, but "He just hates so and so" is an unsupported, lazy thing to say; it is not a discussion, it is the end of a discussion. I sincerely doubt that he's given one second of thought to Ross Trudeau. I haven't, and as I was doing the puzzle I thought to myself that this was the first of his that I've liked, that I thought was better than OK.

There's no such thing as a BETA APP. All apps go through a beta phase, but there's BETA APP is a thing.

JD 10:45 AM  

Jamb was indeed a good start. A favorite J word right up there with Joist. Jamb & Joist, a '50s, low budget, locally produced puppet show.

Filled this in without my usual skipping around, pretty much top to bottom. Only trouble was the complete inability to imagine that The Brontes could be a NYT Tuesday (or any day but especially Tuesday) puzzle theme and the Italian word for eight.

Read Wuthering Heights because it was on the syllabus. Couldn't get all moony over a guy named Heathcliff who was more trouble than he was worth and that was that for Emily or her sisters.

Turnips are the rock stars of the root vegetable world. They go their own way.

Thumbs up to Ross Trudeau.

JC66 10:52 AM  

@Lewis, et al

Surprised @Rex didn't go all PC on TURNIP.

PaulyD 10:54 AM  

I enjoyed all aspects of this Tuesday gem, but none more than the grid looking like a happy cow. This mirrored my feelings throughout the solve. Well done, Mr. Trudeau.

Masked and Anonymous 11:03 AM  

Nice shout out to the Brontes. Also enjoyed the E-W puzgrid symmetry.

staff weeject picks: HEA, MAA, & THA. The A-rears. Not quite deservin of the starred clue recognition, tho.

Kinda fun havin such extra long ball fillins to solve. Besides the long themers, U had two 8-long ones, plus a 9-long, 2 10-longs, and 2 11-longs. On the flip side, U also had 16 3-longs and 30 4-longs, to give the crossword gods the word balance that they demand.

Thanx for the fun, Mr. Trudeau dude.

Masked & Anonymo6Us

as promised, to sloth fans:
**gruntz**

Joseph Michael 11:24 AM  

Well, I guess this was okay if you SAY SO. Would have liked it more if there was a reason for putting all three sisters’ names in the possessive case. The revealer is about as exciting as a library catalog card.

And how come CHARLOTTE gets a WEB, EMILY gets a LIST, and ANNE ends up with nothing?!?

I think my favorite part of the puzzle was the misdirection in the clue for DROVE. Had me stumped for a while. Also liked the long downs on a Tuesday. especially SENIORITIS.

A favorite memory: driving through Moscow past ancient squares and buildings and suddenly seeing ads for Calvin KLEIN underwear.

Will the goat say BAA or MAA?. One never knows, does one?

JD 11:32 AM  

@Gill 😂.

@Barbara, Great post. Look up Dr. John Snow

Nancy 11:42 AM  

I had no idea that the EMILY of EMILY'S LIST is an acronym, @Barbara S. How interesting. Interesting, too, is your sad account of the EARLY demise of all THE BRONTES. Didn't know that -- though probably I should have.

You also say: "Composing lengthy texts by hand astonishes me now, but of course everybody did it that way until the invention of the typewriter which, though helpful in many respects, had serious limitations when it came to correcting and revising." You might be interested to know that I wrote my one published book -- every chapter -- by hand, in a lined notebook, lying either on a couch or even more frequently lying in bed. (I was such a rotten typist that I was never able to think or create on a typewriter.) Only after getting my first computer (late 2008) have I been able to write anything that wasn't written by hand. And, for anything important, I still write better when there's no gadget standing between me and my thoughts. My rationale for this? If every time you make a TYPO (for me, often as much as 3x a sentence) you have to stop your thought process in the middle and correct the TYPO, how can you retain any train of thought? Adding to the problem is the fact that gadgets require right-brained thinking and words require left-brained thinking and the two don't mix.

As far as the couch or bed: Writing is tiring. This is a terrific way to make it less tiring :)

Newboy 11:49 AM  

If you enjoyed 7d and 52d as much as I did, you’ll get a kick out of Ross’s 10/17 grid for its Thursday feel. Not bad for today however: any mirror image literary tribute with only a single rapper reference will do for Tuesday. Seconding several earlier calls to enjoy your Mondays more with a New Yorker solve to clear the palate after a “filling in the blanks” NYT Monday effort. Toss in a Rex & season with a dash of commentariat and every day gives me something on which to chew—in a pretentious grammatical delight.

Z 11:52 AM  

@thefenn - Please, for all that is good and holy in the universe, do not watch Zardoz. Well, unless you do it after some edibles. Lots of edibles. I think the plot might actually make sense if one has eaten some edibles. Lots of edibles.

@anon8:54 - Have you actually read any of those books? Besides, what generally gets covered are Tennyson and Gerard Manley Hopkins and Middlemarch (I’d have titled it Interminable) and, … well…, other writing that always make me wonder “why was that ever popular?” Even Dickens always turns me into a whiney child in the back seat asking over and over again, “Are we there, yet?” Also, I know they are 19th Century Brit Lit, but I tend to think of Mary Shelley, Percy Bysshe Shelley, and Lord Byron as escapees for 18th Century Brit Lit along with Jane Austen.

bocamp 11:53 AM  

CHARLOTTE'S WEB, an all-time fave! Some pig, humble and radiant! 🐷

@Trey (7:28 AM)

I'm sure some version of this has happened to all of us. In my case, it would be 'fat fingers' making typos on the first try. With words I find viable, I'll always try a 2nd time, making sure of my spelling before hitting 'enter'.

@Barbara S. (10:43 AM) 👍 for 0 yd
___

td pg -1 (another gettable one missed) :(

Peace ~ Compassion ~ Tolerance ~ Kindness to all 🕊

Anonymous 11:53 AM  

Once I got Charlotte's Web, I couldn't unsee a spider from the black squares.

Ken Freeland 11:55 AM  

Liked it lots... relatively low PPP quotient kept it solvable!

jbh 11:56 AM  


Charlie Bucket was the protagonist in the Chocolate Factory.

Kinda goes with all the BIN discussions.

TJS 12:01 PM  

Hey @ Pete, I'm not going to go scouring the archives for Trudeau puzzles and then find the related Rex critique, but I have reasons for my opinion, and I'm pretty sure @Z would not be rising to his defense if I was the only one who expressed this opinion.

BTW,"He just hates so and so" appears nowhere in my comment, but that's okay.

Mhoonchild 12:05 PM  

Same for me, a recovering software engineer.

puzzlehoarder 12:10 PM  

Yesterday I put in nixing and I even tried mixxing. It wouldn't take either and this morning it shows nixing as being missing from the list.

jae 12:14 PM  

@bocamp - that was close to my last square. Fortunately I’d run across the flower in previous crosswords.

Argy 12:22 PM  

Hush, Hush Sweet Charlotte.

Whatsername 12:24 PM  

@Barbara: I didn’t know the origin of EMILY either. Thanks for sharing that.

@Z (11:52) 🤣🤣🤣

Joe Dipinto 12:24 PM  

I don't know what to say about this puzzle. It's like the recent one where the revealer pointed to nations but the theme answers contained nationalities instead. Here the revealer points to proper names, but the theme answers use their possessive forms – why?? The constructors must surely see the discrepancy between their revealers and their theme answers.

Cinematic version of this theme (though it wouldn't work in a grid):
1) 1964 Bette Davis film
2) 1969 Genevieve Bujold film
3) 1964 Julie Andrews film, with "The"
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*
*
*
*
*
*
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1) Hush Hush Sweet CHARLOTTE
2) ANNE Of The Thousand Days
3) Americanization of EMILY

chance2travel 12:48 PM  

@jberg Hands up for iRatE before DROVE

@Pete I second the absurdity of a BETA APP

@bocamp @Joseph Also went with bAA before MAA. Had BONO--- and nearly tried BONO-stan-dom or something

Would love to see some gender diversity to offset the repetitive ITGUYs and ADMEN

Wanderlust 12:51 PM  

“Hate” is probably not too strong a word for how Rex feels about Will Shortz, and he often complains that Will takes too many puzzles from his friends, so I think it is safe to say that he definitely notices who the constructor is.

puzzlehoarder 12:51 PM  

Great Tuesday puzzle. I got Wednesday level resistance but more than that I actually admired the intelligent nature of the theme. It was quite a contrast to yesterday's. I had an ACCENTPIECE/ACUTEACCENT write over.


yd -1 (one more word for the list)

Anonymous 1:00 PM  

RP said: “ I struggled most with CHARLOTTE'S WEB, as I was expecting a human "title character," and with CHAR- up front, I was thinking CHARLIE BROWN …” Pretty sure no one who actually read the quotation at 19A thought it came from Charlie Brown. That is a good example of why speed solving would suck the joy out of the puzzle for me. But hey, whatever floats your boat.

Wanderlust 1:00 PM  

Clumsy thumbs typed in EMILYSLUST by mistake. Quite a TYPO. Maybe how Emily Brontë herself felt about Heathcliff? And also thought that could spark a future theme.

I got the revealer at the end, so a nice Aha moment for me. Thanks, @BarbaraS for the history of the family and their illnesses. Very sad.

Surprised APU clue didn’t refer to the controversy over the character. Hank Azaria will no longer voice him but I believe he’s still a character? Any Simpson fans know? I haven’t watched it in years except occasionally on a plane.

JBolt 1:11 PM  

RATSO got me...I had no idea what should have gone there for the A. Should have been able to figure it out in SNOW PACK but I had SNOW PUCK and was unsure if I had a mistake elsewhere. I remember seeing Ratso Rizzo before, too, just forgot the spelling. Oh well. The rare Tuesday fail.

Teedmn 1:15 PM  

I didn't read any of the Bronte's works (still haven't touched Anne's) until iBooks let them out free. I liked "Jane Eyre" just fine (haven't seen her in a puzzle lately) but I loathed "Wuthering Heights". The characters were unlikable. The relationship was totally dysfunctional. Just, no.

Definitely had to check the crosses a couple of times to confirm THA was correct.

I loved the movie, "Green Card", where the main character, played by Andie MacDowell,is named Bronte because one of her parents was of a literary bent.

Am I imagining it, that the grid could be representing a six-legged spider?

Ross, thanks for the nice Tuesday puzzle.

Keith D 1:28 PM  

By all means, keep it up ;)

Rainbow Warrior 1:38 PM  

@Chance 12:48 It would probably be a significant challenge to fit ITTRANSGENDERS and ADNONBINARIES into a weekday grid. It might even be warmly received by Rex. Others, I'm guessing, would find it quite cumbersome.

A 1:49 PM  

Slept late, and the extra winks must’ve helped, because this felt like a proper NYT Monday. Even the long downs went in with only a cross or two. Held off putting in the first letter of ?AA, but saw the two Os and figured it had to be MONOTHEISTS, confirming that the wrong answer was right. Goats don’t MAA, they bAA. Sheeps MAA. Get with it, NYT!

Unlike Rex, I got CHARLOTTES WEB off the C - did confirm the B before inking in the whole thing. At that point I thought we might get a spidery Halloween theme, but no, it’s THE BRONTËS.

Besides that ?AA moment, I first wrote BEaT for “top” but MOaH didn’t look right so I settled for BEST and MOSH. MOSH?

“Bit of décor” for A CUTE ACCENT is acutely cute.

Describing a TURNIP as a “Radish lookalike” is a stretch.

The ARTS are back.

Speaking of ART, yesterday was birthday of Esperanza Spalding, one of the best artists alive. Great bassist, vocalist, poet and philosopher, she was teaching at her alma mater, Berklee College of Music when she was 23. Here’s an example of her early work that CHARLOTTE might like:

Little fly,
Thy summer's play
My thoughtless hand
Has brushed away
Am not I
A fly like thee?
Or art not thou
A man like me?
Oh, oh, oh
Little fly
For I dance
And drink, and sing,
Till some blind hand
Shall brush my wing
If thought is life
And strength and breath
And the want
Of thought is death
Oh, oh, oh
Little fly
Then am I
A happy fly
If I live,
Or if I die
-William Blake

CDilly52 2:19 PM  

Thanks for validating my guess on BIN, @Conrad, @Unknown and @Moonchild! In my 45 years of living with my software designer (he never called himself a coder) husband, I never heard BIN used in the suggested context, but the B seemed tge only probable guess. At our house the BIN is for trash or recycling - as appropriate.

egsforbreakfast 2:33 PM  

Affliction for those female Spaniards close to graduation: Señoritas SENIORITIS.

They say there’s no pack like a snowpack.

Liked the puzzle. In fact I always seem to like Ross Trudeau’s work. No amount of negative commentary Rex it for me.

CDilly52 3:21 PM  

@Georgia in response to @Anonymous 7:23 AM, I think the question sought clarification on the meaning of the word THA that appears in the title to the Lil Wayne album. I, too am curious. Rap isn’t my jam. A JAMB is part of a door.

CDilly52 3:23 PM  

Hand waaay up, @Son Volt for the ROE-EMILY’s LIST pair! I am never early enough to be first with anything, darn it.

Aelurus 3:24 PM  

Got hung up at:
6D AUNTIEANNES – Unknown to me. Based in Pennsylvania, apparently brought in $500 million in 2020 (could be pandemic reason for that); perhaps lesser known than might be expected for a long down, right next to:
7D ACUTEACCENT – That’s on me. Kept thinking divan, not diacritic. Great misdirection, coupled with another TYPO (52D).

Also learned: BIN, ERIS, and that some radishes must be kinda large to resemble TURNIPs, but maybe there are cute miniature turnips.

“Mask” before VEIL (think I can be excused for that one!).

Had fun and accessed a few more synapses for a Tuesday. Thanks, Ross!

Unknown 3:40 PM  

I read through the comments but still don't get why Care for cars = TYPO. Is it something highly esoteric or am I missing the obvious?

CDilly52 3:44 PM  

Great ear worm fir today, a Beatles classic, “Fool On the Hill,” and a favorite of mine. And we also get one of those two words that look in the grod like an odd “crosswordy” one worder. HEA, as opposed to HE A. I really enjoyed this.

This puzzle is definitely a tad crunchier than a run of the moll Tuesday, and I applaud that because of the balance Mr. T achieved by sprinkling some more modern references with the PPP, creating a classic literary reference with the very now EMILY’S LIST and Lil Wayne’s oeuvre (I’d love to know what THA means-anybody?) some good old fashioned PEACH fuzz with an impressive paucity of junk. Even the standard crossword fare (which, in my opinion is clued with more depth than the “standard” clues. Mr. T took extra time to polish this little gem so it sparkles like an Australian fire OPAL.

@Georgia 7:55 AM- loved your comment about the New Yorker vs NYT and possibility for complaints. Your insightful comment helped my opinion about the balance of new-old-standard-clever-thematic gel. I consider puzzles with this level of balance yet chock full of creativity and early week appropriate to be pure art. Love him or not, Ross T is an artist.

Nice job!

JC66 3:49 PM  

@Unknown 3:40

If you type care when you mean to type cars, it's a TYPO. Whether it's esoteric or not is your call. 😂

okanaganer 4:02 PM  

For us BC folks, a famous CHARLOTTE is the Queen Charlotte Islands. Except they are now known as Haida Gwaii. I haven't been there, but my sister has and pronounced them the most beautiful place she's ever been.

Geez ACUTE ACCENT again already? What are the odds? Aka 'accent aigu'.

[SB yd 0; my last word was the 7th last word on the 'yd answers' list, which is ironic considering I was watching the Red Sox at the time. td not started yet.]

pabloinnh 4:39 PM  

Here I am late again after driving most of the day. I read through all the comments wondering if anyone was going to mention "I Am CHARLOTTE Simmons", and no one did, so I will. Oddly enough, I was just thinking about that book and remembering how cartoonish most of it was.

Thought this was a fine Tuesday, no real problems but I did learn BIN as used and THA.

The "Nowhere Man" confusion abides, apparently.

Kind of hope the Bosox can load the bases at some point tonight. This is getting a little crazy.

Very nice stuff, RT. Delightful Recreational Timewasting, for which thanks.

Jeff B. 4:48 PM  

As a not so advanced solver, Tuesday puzzles usually are the most enjoyable for me, and this one was no exception. Favorites were PEACH, RATSO, SNOWPACK, SUR, SENIORITIS, and the themers. The long verticals in general worked well. Never saw the clue for BIN, so crosses were the only way there. And nice to see a positive review from OFL.

JD 5:10 PM  

@Georgia 7:55 am, I mentioned the other day that stopped doing The New Yorker puzzle because it mostly "skews Millennial" and your description of it was what I was meant.

Whatsername 6:07 PM  

@Jeff B (4:48) While I’ve been doing NYT crosswords for many years, I always try to look at early week puzzles from the viewpoint of someone “not so advanced.” It seemed a little on the difficult side to me, so it’s good to know you found it enjoyable and why.

Anoa Bob 6:09 PM  
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Anoa Bob 6:10 PM  

Finally some grid art worthy of being called art. Closure came quickly at a glance---it's a spider! The thorax is in the middle with four legs arrayed on each side. Why else would a themed puzzle grid have seven non-theme entries with the same letter count as three of the theme entries? In the service of the grid art is the only answer that makes sense to me.

Any STEREOTHEISTS out there?

A couple of entries brought to mind this Wordsworth opus:

I wandered lonely as a cloud
That floats on high o'er vales and hills,
When all at once I saw a crowd,
A host, of golden daffodils;
Beside the lake, beneath the trees,
Fluttering and dancing in the breeze.

Continuous as the stars that shine
And twinkle on the milky way,
They stretched in never-ending line
Along the margin of a bay:
Ten thousand saw I at a glance,
Tossing their heads in sprightly dance.

The waves beside them danced; but they
Out-did the sparkling waves in glee:
A poet could not but be GAY,
In such a jocund company:
I gazed—and gazed—but little thought
What wealth the show to me had brought:

For oft, when on my COUCH I lie
In vacant or in pensive mood,
They flash upon that inward eye
Which is the bliss of solitude;
And then my heart with pleasure fills,
And dances with the daffodils.

TTrimble 6:22 PM  

I found today's a little too easy, here and there verging on the childish. Witness MAA ("and what does the goat say?" -- is that Greg the Yellow Wiggle I hear?). Weirdly segmented, and a lot of short words. Oh, and yes, I now see a moo-cow in the grid. Ah, the simple pleasures...

On the bright side is Ed ASNER's name, RIP.

But not one of Ross Trudeau's better efforts.

td 0. I suspect that the poster who claims that BONING was rejected had unwittingly introduced a TYPO.

Janet Reid 6:29 PM  

Princess Charlotte of Cambridge, 4th in line to the throne.

Z 6:30 PM  

@TJS - No scouring needed. And you’re right, others make the same claim and have about other constructors. I have the same reaction every time somebody writes something like it.

@Wanderlust - It’s been a minute since Rex has said a good word about the guy.

pabloinnh 7:38 PM  

@Anoa Bob-

My favorite alternative ending to this one has always been:

And then my heart with pleasure fills,
And dances with the imbeciles.

Scans perfectly and makes me smile.

ghkozen 8:22 PM  

Rex’s Zardoz picture was by far the highlight of this solve. Great, if vague and alcohol-addled, memories!

Simone 8:48 PM  

Rex can’t see the forest for the trees and he missed out on a lovely quote due to his haste.

albatross shell 10:25 PM  

@AnoaBob
I guess those who believe in Father and Son but skip the Holy Ghost. Two out of three ain't bad.

@A
Thanks for the Little Fly. I truly do not know if I like the poem, the bass, or the singing the best. Allen Ginsberg (and others) have put Blake to music. He supposedly sung Songs of Innocence and Songs of Experience himself. Nobody ever made transcripts of his melodies, alas.

Zardoz (with Sean and Charlotte, directed by John Boorman) was a bit interminable and overwrought, but is still an engaging movie. Quite a bit of fun especially in the beginning. Drugs- you might want to include an upper with those edibles.

Anoa Bob 12:30 AM  

pabloinnh @7:38, didn't know you were a philistine. That's very sophomoric and I'm disappointed in you.

Charles Young 12:57 AM  

Charlotte Rae

Unknown 11:09 AM  

I enjoyed this puzzle. So refreshing to see so many women's names and literary references instead of the usual male sport-oriented answers. Although it took me a bit to get SHAG.

Snailslibel 12:01 AM  

Doesn’t the dad in CHARLOTTESWEB say that pigs are for EARLYRISERs?

Michael 9:08 AM  

I admit to musing for a moment that the Brontes might have been CHARLOTTE, EMILY, and RATSO.

Dodging around the alternate meaning of SHAG meant we fans of Austin Powers had a few seconds of mirth.

And I concur that it would have been better to acknowledge the standing discussions over the character APU. Although his proximity to OTTO means there’s a mini theme of minor Simpsons characters hiding in there.

spacecraft 11:07 AM  

BIN got filled in on crosses and I never even saw the clue. *Whew*

KENO, anywhere I have ever seen it run, is not "played with a random number generator" per se, as that implies a purely electronic computer component. The setup is a hollow globe with air jetting up a central tube within. Numbered balls are dropped into the globe where they gravitate to the bottom of the tube and are sent one at a time up it to one of two exit tubes, where the number is read electronically and a canned voice announces each. So the "generator" is mechanical, not computerized.

An interesting E/W symmetry; I tried to make the black square design look like a spider but two of the critter's legs were just single dots. Nice thorax, though, and a set of formidable fangs at the top. It was fairly easy to solve, except for EMILYSLIST, which can't be TOO "prominent:" I never heard of it. Also, if you think a TURNIP looks like a radish, You've got an eye appointment in your near future. Not bad for a Tuesday. Birdie.

thefogman 2:04 PM  

BAA, MAA, SOU, NYY?…. No more blah, blah, blah!!!

Burma Shave 2:45 PM  

PEACH JAMB

CHARLOTTE was an EARLYRISER
from THE COUCH, a GUY to snag;
ACUTE GAL who SINCE got wiser,
“That PILE rug IS your BEST SHAG.”

--- EMILY KLEIN

Diana, LIW 3:38 PM  

Hush. Hush, sweet Charlotte. Bet I could think of a bunch of other Charlottes if I tried. But won't cry over it. And never would beat the Bronte sisters.

A Mondayish Tuesday.

Diana, Lady-in-Waiting for Crosswords

leftcoaster 4:40 PM  

Spelling drill for the day: It's KLEIN! KLEIN! KLEIN! *Not* Kline. (Left a bit of a mess in the mid-West section.)
Liked the THE BRONTES theme and long-down fill.
Again it’s KLEIN, Calvin KLEIN.

Diana, LIW 6:55 PM  

@Lefty - I'm inKLEINed to agree.

Lady Di

thomas 7:43 PM  
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