Heat setting, perhaps / SAT 8-30-25 / Old-fashioned TV antenna, jocularly / Classic warning to a knight /

Saturday, August 30, 2025

Constructor: Maddy Ziegler

Relative difficulty: Easy


THEME: none 

Word of the Day: ESPN8 The OCHO (10A: Another name for ESPN8, with "the") —

 

ESPN8 The Ocho is a special program block showcasing seldom-seen obscure sports that airs on the networks of ESPN Inc. The Ocho is also offered as a free ad-supported streaming television (FAST) channel on the Roku ChannelPrime Video and DirecTV Stream.

The Ocho consists of lesser-known, unconventional and humorous sports, occupational competitions, esports and other competitions with some athletic, competitive or physical skill component. The block is traditionally presented in early August, the eighth month of the year. Much of the programming consists of previously recorded content and reruns previously aired on the ESPN networks,[3] some as far back as the 1990s.

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Very easy except for the part at the end where I stared at 27A: Heat setting, perhaps, stared at all the crosses, and then ... kept staring. As far as I could tell, the answer had to be MEET, but how that clue made sense for that answer was completely lost on me. Was MODEL wrong? Was it YODEL? Could a [Fashion plate, maybe] be a YODEL? Seemed unlikely. I had EARS for the [Old-fashioned TV antenna, jocularly], but were they something else. I'd always known the antenna as Rabbit EARS, so maybe EARS wasn't right at all, maybe it was ... OARS? No, it had to be EARS. Was there another way to spell SEBASTIAN? Was it SABASTIAN? Again, couldn't be. And the "T" in NOT A GOOD IDEA had to be right, which left me with no recourse for 27A: Heat setting, perhaps except ... MEET. So I typed it in, and voilà, the "Congratulations" popped right up. But I still couldn't see the connection between "Heat setting" and MEET. The Heat are an NBA team, so I had already thought of arenas and Miami and Florida etc., to no avail. Home heating didn't seem the right context either. There is no MEET setting on my thermostat (is there??? No, there isn't). At some point my brain finally isolated "heat" and MEET and they played off each other in a way that revealed that I'd been reading both "heat" and MEET incorrectly. That is, I hadn't expanded my idea of their potential meanings far enough. The MEET is a swim MEET or track MEET, part of which might include preliminary races of one kind or another, also known as "heats." Nothing else in the puzzle gave me nearly so much trouble as this clue. Not even close.


Two things I really liked about this puzzle. First, HERE BE DRAGONS, a worthy central marquee answer (33A: Classic warning to a knight). I always think of the phrase as THERE BE DRAGONS, but HERE is right. The Latin phrase is "hic sunt dracones" ("here are dragons"); it's a phrase that became associated with medieval maps, though I just learned that there are only two extant globes that bear this phrase, and that the standard phrase used by medieval cartographers for parts unknown was actually "hic sunt leones" ("here be lions!"). So HERE BE DRAGONS is an anachronism. The clue involves a warning given a knight (33A: Classic warning to a knight). Maybe that's why I thought THERE and not HERE. If I'm warning a knight, I imagine he and I are not already standing where the dragons are ("here"). I'm telling him not to go to some place we're not, namely there. Unless I'm advising him while standing over a map or globe, in which case I guess I could point and say "HERE BE DRAGONS!" Is this warning "classic" or do we just imagine it's "classic"? I don't know of any examples of a knight being given this specific warning. Still, the phrase feels right, and it's colorful, and I liked it. 


The second thing I really liked is an extension of HERE BE DRAGONSCOME TO A BAD END sits right on top of it, and then NOT A GOOD IDEA runs right through both of them. So you've got not just a warning to a knight, you have a whole damn conversation. "HERE BE DRAGONS. NOT A GOOD IDEA. You might COME TO A BAD END." Like HERE BE DRAGONSRIDDLE ME THIS feels like one of those quaint phrases that's been around a long time, but whose origins seem misty. I feel like "RIDDLE ME THIS, Batman" was a phrase the Riddler used in the old Batman TV show. Is this canonical, or does this just feel like something canonical. Whatever, I got the answer easily, and since it feels right, I'm good. My only real complaint today is that NANAS and NANNY share the same grid. Yes, they are clued as different things, but they just feel too similar. Balked at NANNY for sure because I already had NANAS and thought "no way they're putting NANNY in here too—too close to a dupe." But they did it. Bah. If there are any other tricky spots, or any particularly ugly spots, I didn't notice.


What else?:
  • 1A: Title typically abbreviated to its first and last letters (SEÑOR) — I did not know this. Or ... maybe I would've guessed this, but I don't see this abbreviation very often. 
  • 14A: ___ Perry, award-winning author of 2022's "South to America" (IMANI) — if I were she, I would probably have appreciated if the clue had bothered to mention that the "award" in question here (or one of them) is the National Book Award for Nonfiction (2022). "Award-winning" is the kind of vague phrase you use to make someone or something seem bigger than it is, like "best-selling." Who knows what it means, exactly? But the National Book Award is the National Book Award. 
  • 34A: Kick-starter program? (KARATE LESSONS) — cute clue. Simple. Plays nicely off a pre-existing phrase. See also 43D: Head to town? (MAYOR).
  • 6D: Janelle of "Hidden Figures" (MONAE) — if you didn't know her, the time for not knowing her is now over. MONAE is going to be with us for a while so just learn it and store it in your bag of "Future Crosswordese." You're gonna need it. She's kind of a big deal.
  • 49A: What dilapidated buildings and rampant graffiti may be a sign of (URBAN DECAY) — the very phrase sounds like something muttered with a judgmental headshake by some suburbanite who's afraid of cities and never sets foot in them. The word "rampant" intensifies this tone. I know that URBAN DECAY is a phrase that exists, and a concept that exists, but most American cities are safer than ever, often safer than suburban or rural areas, so I bristle at anything that imagines urban spaces as crime-ridden dystopias. 
  • 53A: Moving well over 60, perhaps? (SPRY) — 60!!!! Ouch. I thought you had to be at least 70 before anyone condescendingly called you "SPRY." Maybe if I imagine the clue as meaning "still moving (at all) when you are well over 60 years old," I can live with SPRY as the answer.
  • 33D: Tasteful invitation? ("HAVE A SIP") — this comes awfully close to EAT A SANDWICH territory, but I think framing it as an "invitation" really saves the phrase. Seems very natural in that context.
That's all. See you next time.

Signed, Rex Parker, King of CrossWorld

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45 comments:

Les S. More 3:04 AM  

Very disappointing for a Saturday. There’s been more and more commentary about how the NYT has dumbed down the puzzles lately, including Rex’s comments yesterday but I found myself just saying, “Yeah, you guys just want to complain about something, anything.” But tonight I’m ready to join the chorus. Some of the answers were really good, especially the triple stack across the middle and 5D RIDDLEMETHIS and 21D NOTAGOODIDEA. But the clues were just too obvious. 49A URBANDECAY dropped in with no crosses. And when IMANI Perry is the only thing that seriously holds you up, something’s wrong.

RE: 53A. I played competitive hockey into my late 60s and if, while lining up for a face-off, some 35 year old had said. “You’re pretty SPRY for an old guy”, I would have driven him hard into the boards first chance I got.

Best clue/answer combo in the puzzle, for me, was at 27A: “Heat setting, perhaps” for MEET. Got it from crosses and then just stared at it for about a minute before muttering, oh yeah. Good one.

Nice puzzle, Maddy, just wish it had a bit more bite.

Anonymous 4:23 AM  

Broke my Saturday record by 10 seconds today. Nice Wednesday level puzzle.

jae 4:48 AM  

Easy.

I did not know IMANI, SID, SENOR, and OMANI.

Not particularly costly erasures - eRS before ORS and HuH before HEH.

….I had the same problem that @Rex did with the MEET clue.

Very smooth with a boat load of sparkle, liked it a bunch.

Re: Late week puzzles getting easier lately: I have done all the Friday and Saturday puzzles from the archive. Although I have not kept a detailed record of difficult vs. easy puzzles, my over all assessment is that the ratio of easy to hard puzzles has gradually shifted in favor of easy puzzles in the last decade or so. There were definitely easy puzzles in the mid ‘90s and the ‘00s but they were the exception not the norm. That is clearly not the case these days.

If you are jonesing for tough puzzles I would recommend Brendan E. Quigley’s Monday puzzles Crossword Puzzles by Brendan Emmett Quigley or Tim Croce’s Club 72 site with over 1000 puzzles that are all a whole lot tougher than the NYT August | 2025 | Club 72 . Be forewarned that Croce’s puzzles do not follow NYT rules.

Donald Barclay 5:10 AM  

. This played like a Tuesday puzzle. Not bad, just too damn easy

Anonymous 5:13 AM  

Not gonna lie, my brain was too fried so I just came here for you to explain the meet/heat thing for me. Cheers.

Anonymous 5:32 AM  

I was surprised to learn that as someone over the age of 60 (way over) that anyone would refer to me as spry. I still run over 40 miles a week (okay a lot more slowly than my marathon days and I guess could be called a walk/run) and I can still bench press 300 pounds and I have multiple myeloma. I and my fellow seniors are not spry—we are in great shape—this is a new generation of seniors. As to the puzzle on a whole , I had virtually an identical experience to OFL, and I even went so far as to try spelling Sebastian as Sabastian. Ultimately, It played like a Wednesday for me. Spry? Bah humbug.

Conrad 5:32 AM  


Easy. I agree with @Les S. More and @Anon 04:23 that this would have been a great Wednesday themeless. The things I didn't know or entered incorrectly were easy to infer or get from crosses.

Overwrites:
16A: afaR before DOOR
20A: tRAde mArk before BRAND NAME

WOEs:
OCHO as clued at 10A
IMANI Perry (14A)
50A Director RIAN Johnson

Anonymous 6:22 AM  

I was totally on the same page as Rex re MEET. P.S. Shouldn’t the clue for EARS have been plural (antennae)? P.P.S. Am I the only person who never before realized that Legally Blonde was a pun?

vtspeedy 6:24 AM  

Okay, apart from too easy and the meet-heat poser, this was a fun solve and loved the triple stack in the middle.

Wanderlust 6:38 AM  

Rex’s “too easy” rant from yesterday, though spot-on, is more appropriate for today, IMHO. I solved this MUCH faster than yesterday’s, and it’s supposed to be harder. Almost my record. Some nice answers and clues, just not the challenge I look forward to on Saturdays. If anyone from the NYT reads this blog, please pay attention: Not everyone wants easier puzzles!

Proud of myself for getting MEET with no trouble.


Rick Sacra 6:43 AM  

14 minutes for me which definitely lines up with "Easy" for a Saturday. But I don't mind, gives me a chance to get on with my day! Enjoyed the nice triple stack, had some of the same hang-ups as @REX, (HERE vs tHERE whch didn't fit, thinking for a minute or two before finally dropping in MEET). Love the central stack story--even extends to KARATELESSONS, right? Here be the dragons, Mr. Knight, so you better attend every Karate Lesson you can, or you'll come to a bad end. Thank you, MADDY, this was a great puzzle!!! : )

Son Volt 7:10 AM  

Fun and splashy - not Stan Newman worthy appropriate but a nice exercise. Agree with the big guy on that central stack - all top notch.

This Year’s MODEL

Ride the 1 train to 242nd or the entirety of the A train and you’ll understand URBAN DECAY. It’s a thing and not difficult to understand. CEREAL BAR was a little flat but the other long downs were wonderful - HOME RUNS, RIDDLE ME THIS and NOT A GOOD IDEA. The 3s and 4s were a little clunky.

MEET The Beatles

Not a real challenge but an enjoyable Saturday morning solve nonetheless. Winston Emmon’s Stumper has two tricky central spanners today and will provide slightly more bite.

John SEBASTIAN

Twangster 7:15 AM  

Very much agree ... we need a new rating category: "too easy."

Anonymous 7:16 AM  

You didn’t like NANAS and NANNY. How about IMANI and OMANI in the same puzzle?

Anonymous 7:19 AM  

I always loved "beyond this place, there be dragons" written by cartographers on the edge of early maps ...

Rick 7:20 AM  

easy for me, too. I disliked the clue 'Here Be Dragons' as it is largely associated, even if falsely as Rex shows, with maps, not knights.

Anonymous 7:24 AM  

A nice, clean, Friday-like whooshy puzzle. I had DORM instead of HALL and IMAMS instead of EMIRS in there for way too long. Guess I’m not that SPRY…

kitshef 7:25 AM  

A one-square DNF. I wanted SEBASTIAN, but I could not (but now can) make sense of MEET for 'Heat setting'. Went with SaBASTIAN/MEAT.

I hate to repeat from yesterday, but [yawn]. Two themelesses in a row that just didn't do it for me.

Lewis 7:33 AM  

A fairy tale beginning. Maddy’s been making puzzles for less than two years and she lands a Times Saturday. Bravo!

Apt to have an outstanding set of first-time NYT answers in a debut puzzle. There are eight, including beauties ON THE BEAT NOT A GOOD IDEA, and HERE BE DRAGONS. I don’t remember ever hearing the latter but it’s so quirky and sounds so pitch-perfect, that I love it. It’s my favorite answer in the puzzle.

That middle stack is popping with spark (two answer debuts and one once-before) – three abutting 13s with zero ugly crosses. Wow!

I liked the mini-theme of titles, with SENOR, EMIRS, MAYOR, and a backward SRI. I loved [Heat setting, perhaps] for MEET – wordplay, direct clue, and opaque, all at the same time. Mwah!

Congratulations, Maddy, and it’s clear to me that you’ve got the knack. I’m hoping for more … please? Thank you for a splendid outing!

Anonymous 7:33 AM  

I also wanted MIAMI for the "Heat" clue, but it's one letter too long. That clue was one of just two (mild) bumps in my whooshing today, the other being my guess of SNL at the start of 11D, "confirmed" by ELMS. Very easy overall (more of a Universal Freestyle or easy New Yorker Tuesday level) but with some nice long answers, COLD OPENS, RIDDLE ME THIS, and especially HERE BE DRAGONS.

Yesterday, Rex mentioned the Stumper as one of the few really crunchy puzzles remaining out there. Well, today the Stumper was also disappointingly easy, which means about as hard as a NYT Saturday should be.

Steve the Pirate 7:38 AM  

ESPN the OCHO was originally from the movie Dodgeball. Never knew it became a real thing. Life imitates art, I guess.

Mike S. 7:49 AM  

Should I be concerned that my solving experience has been more and more tracking Rex's these days?

JJK 7:59 AM  

I agree that this was an easy-ish Saturday but I enjoyed it. Loved the middle stack, especially HEREBEDRAGONS. It somehow makes me think of a simpler time when your biggest problem might be an actual dragon, rather than the rampant chaos in our daily lives and impending destruction of the government by a malign, feeble-minded wannabe dictator.

Anonymous 8:03 AM  

Had MELT for the longest time but obviously SLBASTIAN wasn’t right so I put in the E and got the happy music. Took me a minute or three to puzzle out why that was right.

SouthsideJohnny 8:03 AM  

I can see how this would be easy for many people, but it bit me pretty good in a couple of places. I saw COME TO A BAD END coming into focus, but just didn’t trust it. It just seemed too pedestrian - like it’s kind of a phrase, but not really. I also didn’t think it was strong enough to describe ruin - to me, COME TO A BAD END would be more like when a MEET CUTE doesn’t work out, as opposed to describing utter destruction.

Complicating matters in the center, I was also dealing with the Heat/Meet situation and HERE BE DRAGONS didn’t sound right (grammatically). That sounds like slang from when I was in college a half-century ago - thanks to Rex for providing some background on that one.

So, I kind of lucked out a bit today - my trials and tribulations around the equator were actually a bit of a blessing, as it gave me something to struggle with in this era of “easier” weekends.

Anonymous 8:06 AM  

Rex, I enjoyed your elaboration on hic sunt dracones / leones. A fun tidbit to know. Thank you!

RJ 8:07 AM  

I found this more challenging than some other but I was still well below my Saturday average (since 2018). The difference between this and some other easier Saturdays is that it was fun! Here be dragons! Come to a bad end! I needed the explanation for "meet", and didn't love "have a sip". All things I've said - have a taste, have some, try some, wanna try it?.

EasyEd 8:09 AM  

I’m so weak at crosswords that pretty much anything the NYT presents is a challenge. And this one had some fun answers—HEREBEDRAGONS among them. NYT crosswords are clearly getting easier—my Dad left me a bunch he never finished (a challenge for him was to do the Sunday puzzles acrosses only). One clue that stopped him was the name of a root of a rare tree that grew only in the Philippines…took me some wild and lucky tangential Googling to find that answer. How anyone did those puzzles without access to modern search engines is beyond me. I’m guessing that today’s puzzles attract a wider audience.

EasyEd 8:09 AM  

I’m so weak at crosswords that pretty much anything the NYT presents is a challenge. And this one had some fun answers—HEREBEDRAGONS among them. NYT crosswords are clearly getting easier—my Dad left me a bunch he never finished (a challenge for him was to do the Sunday puzzles acrosses only). One clue that stopped him was the name of a root of a rare tree that grew only in the Philippines…took me some wild and lucky tangential Googling to find that answer. How anyone did those puzzles without access to modern search engines is beyond me. I’m guessing that today’s puzzles attract a wider audience.

mmorgan 8:25 AM  

Mr. does the same first/letter thing as Sr. I also finished up confused by MEET (at first).

Rex is overthinking the DRAGON thing a bit but it was enjoyable to read!

Bob Mills 8:26 AM  

I guess it was easy, but it took me over an hour. I had "game" before GATE and "Samba" before SIMBA. Didn't get RIDDLEMETHIS until the end, mainly because HEH made no sense to me (still doesn't). No cheats, so I'm happy. Heh!

Todd 8:33 AM  

Same here on meet. I was shocked when the puzzled solved and didn't understand it till I just read it here.

Diane Joan 8:39 AM  

There is a moment when I finish a Saturday puzzle and feel accomplished, right before I come here to realize it was, in fact, easy. Oh well! Anyway I just wanted to say that as a newly minted 70 year old I am not offended by the use of the word “SPRY”. It pretty much describes me as I run after my very active grandson.

noni 8:44 AM  

You guys make me feel really dumb complaining about how easy this was. I didn't see it that way. It was about average for me. Not impossible but not what I would call easy. I thought I solved it but no music. Gave up and came here to discover MEET not MEAT. I was thinking it meant an oven setting.

Anonymous 8:44 AM  

Assuming you're in your later sixties or early seventies, benching 300 pounds (now is this an exact figure, or do you mean 315, or what?) is I believe quite unusual. So maybe you've earned gratuitous bragging rights (and yes, you must be in great shape). But "this is a new generation of seniors", as if you and your prowess are somehow typical for that cohort, sounds absurd on its face. I'm 64, and know a lot of guys around your estimated age, and it's simply not so. You just hang around a lot of very strong aging dudes, apparently.

JT 8:51 AM  

Yesterday was not so easy for me (contrary to what most others experienced, I know), but today went pretty smoothly. Maybe this one was just more in my wheelhouse; the long phrases came naturally, I knew at least some of the names, etc. Nothing much to comment on, really, except a slightly negative theme, with dragons, decay, and bad ends astir!

JT 8:56 AM  

I had the same experience.

Anonymous 8:58 AM  

My take on this almost identical to OFL’s. What I really want to address is yesterday’s (continuing, it seems, into today’s comments) discussion re the recent apparently reduced difficulty of late week NYT themeless puzzles.

I tend in general to agree with this assessment. I finished yesterday in about 24 minutes, 7 under my average (over about 10 years), but 10 over my best Friday time; today I did slightly better. I do not view this as a problem. I consider myself to be a fairly average typical solver among the puzzle’s loyalists. I’m happy that I can sometimes get the “whoosh whoosh” feeling from a Friday that @RP prizes so much, despite being nowhere near his skill level.

Dealing with a harder puzzle is also OK by me—I can usually make it through, though sometimes at the expense of a hour’s effort or more, which I’m willing, even pleased to do occasionally, but would not want to accept every week. As was pointed out yesterday, there were sometimes relatively easy late week NYT puzzles in days of yore, and there are now still occasionally quite tough ones, as well as other outlets that consistently provide high level challenges. (The WSJ’s Saturday “contest” grid routinely crushes me—to the point that I’ve stopped trying.) I think the current NYT balance is just about right. (BTW, I finished the recent Saturday that has been repeatedly cited as a hard one in about average time—there is clearly a lot of interpersonal variation.) Comments so far today suggest that there were at least a few challenges and joys for elite solvers—probably enough to justify the few minutes they need to invest in the effort.

A puzzle may be difficult owing either to devilish wordplay, or to obscure factual reference. I have long maintained (and occasionally shared here) that the right way to approach the latter, after a sincere effort on the basis of crosses, is to google the damn clue! (I try first to get by with just the “hit list”, and avoid x-word specific links.) I refuse to accept that this is “cheating”. Just who am I wronging by doing this, outside the realm of formal competition? No one, that’s who! Getting a foothold or maintaining momentum via lookups allows me to enjoy more the pleasure of wordplay challenges, the ones that really count. So there, Nancy!—and many others whose names do not spring to mind. (Nothing personal…) Plus, there’s a learning opportunity, though not typically in an area where I have much interest.

PS—Do others agree that the recent reformatting of personal stats presentation in the NYT app is an abomination? What can be done about it?

webwinger

burtonkd 8:58 AM  

You mean 242nd and Broadway, where you can enjoy Van Cortland Park, visit a horse stable, have some Lloyd’s Cheesecake, shop at any number of mom and pop shops or new chain developments? Visit the spectacular gardens of Wave Hill or 3 of NYC’s ritziest private schools.

Anonymous 9:01 AM  

Got Naticked by HORA and HEH. Now that I see KARATE, I guess I should have been able to figure it out. But one was not on my mind culturally while the other as an answer for 'Funny how that works' just really doesn't in my book. I would say 'huh'. HEH is a laugh to me.

NY Composer 9:09 AM  

Nice puzzle, but another example from “The New Will Shortz”: a way too easy Saturday. Not a Saturday puzzle. Please, Will, give us something to sink our teeth into. As Rex has said, we spent years honing our solving skills, now we have to look elsewhere to use them properly.

burtonkd 9:10 AM  

Sometimes you had to wait for the next day’s paper for the answer, then look it up in a thing called a “dictionary”:)

Gary Jugert 9:29 AM  

"...most American cities are safer than ever, often safer than suburban or rural areas, so I bristle at anything that imagines urban spaces as crime-ridden dystopias." Well, 🦖, greetings from Albuquerque, a city very different than "most." People are so nice here, but I wrote in URBAN DECAY with no crosses because I know it cold. I drove past a striking canvas of decay on my way to work this morning. I believe you are correct that generally speaking crime rates across the country are on a downward trend, but that is only one measuring stick of URBAN DECAY. Things might look very different in pretty college towns in New England, but across vast sections of this country, URBAN DECAY is real, and caused by a long list of dystopian reasons -- mostly rich people not paying taxes -- but to "bristle" at its mention is odd. Most of the solutions we're trying here in New Mexico treat symptoms, not causes, and so homelessness, drug addiction, mental illness, infrastructure failure, and income disparity have grown worse, and a lack of opportunity keeps the situation hopeless for many. It's part of the reason many voted for a racist dictator and his pathetic clown car. Oh, and in a later post today, I will hand out weekend trophies for the "this puzzle is too easy, but I keep showing up every week anyway" Chicken Littles. 🏆

Christopher XLI 9:58 AM  

Both can be true at the same time. That’s part of the fun.

There’s more URBAN DECAY now than there was 20 years ago, but remarkably less than there was 20 years before that.

Son Volt 10:02 AM  

@burton - as a proud Jasper alum and NYCT employee I know the area like the back of my hand - as you say a bucolic section of the City. But wander around any of the stations between 96th and Dyckman and it’s a different world. I see URBAN DECAY as a daily reality - not used as a pejorative but the sad result of decades of these neighborhoods being neglected.

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