Classic novel set in rural Nebraska / SUN 6-2-24 / Did a great job on, in modern slang / Strong poker holding, informally / "Great" child detective / Sleeve style with slanted seams / Titular character in a Menotti opera / fritas Cuban french fries

Sunday, June 2, 2024

Constructor: Luke K. Schreiber

Relative difficulty: Easy-Medium


THEME: "Typecasting" — familiar phrases are clued via names of famous people that are "typed" in some funny / punny way:

Theme answers:
  • QUOTATION MARKS (22A: "RUFFALO" and "TWAIN"?)
  • CUT-OFF JEANS (33A: HARLO and SMAR?)
  • JUMPING JACKS (46A: LORD and KEMP?)
  • STARBUCKS (63A: *O'NEIL* and *ROGERS*?)
  • LONGJOHNS (66A: CEEEEENA and LENNNNNON?)
  • SPLICED GENES (85A: WILDERODDENBERRY?)
  • DASHED HOPES (100A: S-O-L-O and L-A-N-G-E?)
  • TWO-DOLLAR BILLS (112A: RU$$ELL and BLA$$?)
["Starring Jack LORD"]

Word of the Day: PAPAS fritas (72A: ___ fritas (Cuban French fries)) —
Papas Fritas (typically stylized as pApAs fritAs) were an American indie rock band that formed in 1992 and released three studio albums before breaking up in 2000. The band's name is Spanish for "fried potatoes" (specifically "French fries" in American English) but is also a pun on the phrase "Pop has freed us," which they used as both the name of their music publishing company and their 2003 career retrospective. (In 2006 a German band also named Papas Fritas released a single called "Stehpisser," which is erroneously listed as part of the American band's discography in several online music stores.) (wikipedia) // In Spain, fried potatoes are called patatas fritas or papas fritas. Another common form, involving larger irregular cuts, is patatas bravas. The potatoes are cut into big chunks, partially boiled and then fried. They are usually seasoned with a spicy tomato sauce. Fries are a common side dish in Latin American cuisine or part of larger preparations such as the salchipapas in Peru or chorrillana in Chile. (wikipedia)
• • •

[Prized possession]
If you're going to call it "Typecasting," then all the clues should involve actors. You're "casting," after all. I'm fine with the fact that the puns all involve the ways that the names are "typed" (out)—the "type" part works—but the "casting" part, come on, they should all be actors, especially since you've gone ahead and made many of them actors already. NICCCCCCHOLSON, not LENNNNNON. I guess finding two double-S (i.e. double-$) Bills who were both actors would've been a very tall order (impossible, actually). Still, it was annoying to have roughly half the names be actors (which seemed to fit the title) and then have the other names just be generally famous but non-acting people. Other than that, I guess the theme was fine. Cute, even. I know that the overall solving experience was grim, though. Too much crummy fill, too much weak cluing, not enough exciting or interesting answers. I was groaning and eye-rolling a lot today, with Peak Groan coming with TV TAPE, what on god's green earth is that supposed to be?! TV TAPE???! TV TAPE. I'm just going to keep saying it, hoping that through iteration, it will magically turn into something, something real, something someone has actually said before. Just gruesome. Embarrassing. How do you talk yourself into TV TAPE!? (21A: VCR medium). You gotta exercise discretion. You cannot let your wordlist push you around. There's so much of this going around—constructors who think that just because it's in their database, it's good. No experienced constructor is ever going to try to palm TV TAPE off on you. Criminal. Editorial malpractice. But since it's been used before, it's been used since—four times this century now. Precedent is not enough of a reason to include something. Certainly not something this unpleasant. (Every prior TVTAPE clue was [VCR insert]—I can't tell if this clue is better worse or same—probably same, in that I don't care, I just want the answer to go away)


I've heard of a HACKSAW, but not a BACKSAW (70A: Cutting tool with a reinforced spine), ugh. DCPOWER, another ugh (89D: What's generated by solar panels). Come on. Use real phrases, I'm begging you. I would accept DEAD HEAT as an answer (happily), but IN A DEAD HEAT is something like ON A SANDWICH, i.e. a phrase you might say, but that does not have enough standalone energy to stand alone. Never going to accept that MUCKER is a thing. One can muck stalls, but you would never (ever) call someone a MUCKER. Are READ-A-THONs real? Sounds made up. The tin-eared, no-respect-for-actual-usage quality of some of these answers is killing me. Such an annoying distraction. Why is MICA "glam rock?" (48D: Glam rock?). Is it ... shiny? Wikipedia says it's used in cosmetics and food (?) to add "shimmer" or "frost," OK. Did not know that. Also did not know ATE, which seems like absurd slang to me. Do people not have to ask you to repeat yourself? Why would you use ATE to mean "did a great job on" when ATE IT already means "did a terrible job on." I've seen James Harden and others (basketball players, that is) do this thing where they mime eating after they do something great—is that the context for this ATE? That clue was Trying way, way too hard to be ... what, youthful? I dunno. Rough. Oh, damn, just realized Harden's not eating—he's cooking! MY BAD


Never heard of CECIL the Looney Tunes turtle, which is weird, since I grew up on Looney Tunes cartoons. Maybe I have seen him but he's just so minor, so D-list as "LT" characters go, that I can't remember him. Come on, Joel—you could've clued him as [Pomona College sagehen mascot]. Real missed opportunity. Your alma mater is very disappointed. 


AU LAIT before BLACK (1A: One way to order coffee), OH I SEE before AH I SEE (110A: "Got it now"), TREYS before TRIPS (31D: Strong poker holding, informally), TAM before TAJ (57D: Cap worn by dervishes). Absolute prayer on the PAPAS / SALADIN crossing. Luckily I knew SALADIN enough (from being a medievalist) (55D: First sultan of both Syria and Egypt) to be able to best-guess the spelling, because PAPAS I was never gonna get (confidently) from that clue (72A: ___ fritas (Cuban French fries)). BEERAMID sounds like a quirky, original answer (36A: Drinker's structure made from stacked cans), but once it's been used (and it has, several times in the past few years now), its novelty wears off. Novelty terms like that are good once and then you really gotta leave them alone for ... well, a long time. See you in 2034, maybe, BEERAMID. Don't normally care about two-letter preposition dupes, but there sure are a lot of "IN"s today (WEAR IN, IN IT, I'M IN). Also "IT"s (Give IT A go, IT IS SO, IN IT (again)). Really didn't care for much about this puzzle outside the basic theme concept, which I think is solid, playful, entertaining. I just wish the fill had been stronger and the cluing much more ... much less ... well, different, anyhow. Apter. On the money-er. 


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That's all. See you tomorrow.

Signed, Rex Parker, King of CrossWorld

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125 comments:

Ken Freeland 2:17 AM  

Thought I had solved this, but after looking at Rex's commentary realize that I had an error: hACKSAW vs. BACKSAW (whatever that is), and this is particularly infuriating as the cross clue works perfectly with the H answer.: "certain baseball stats" are certainly RhES - - Runs, Hits and Errors. So in my book tbere are two correct solutions to today's puzzle, only one of which is published. Fooey on such ambiguity. Get an editor... Please!

jae 2:50 AM  

Easy. Toughest part and the last section I completed was the area around SALADIN (I had SuLeman for a while) which was a major WOE. Also did not know TAJ (tried fez and TAm). Plus hACKSAW before BACKSAW, UNcuT before UNSET, and solE before MERE.

A cute breezy fun Sunday, liked it, but @Rex is right about TV TAPE.

Ann Howell 3:01 AM  

Hate to be a Debbie Downer, but this was a really boring puzzle with a weak theme.

okanaganer 3:26 AM  

Yeah this seemed like a slog, but Sundays often do. Not helped that some clues did not survive the translation to Across Lite... notably for JUMPING JACKS the clue was literally this: "LORD and KEMP?". I see on the NYT website the "OR" and "EM" of the clue are superscripts; not so in Across Lite. Well I admit no one forced me to choose that format so perhaps I shouldn't really complain. But still.

I share Rex's outrage at "VCR medium" = TV TAPE. I worked in video editing in the 1990s so if anyone should know this, I should. None of these fit: VHS TAPE, BETAMAX, SUPER VHS, NTSC, MAG TAPE. (ANALOG fit but led nowhere.) And again for "What's generated by solar panels"... I had DC VOLTS which fit several of the crosses. And seriously, what is with the really stupid clue for RENTS?

Other typeovers: for the whirling dervish cap FEZ before TAJ, "Votes of confidence" AYES before YEAS, and just below it "Standard to exceed, metaphorically" PAR before BAR.

Rex you might have liked a "Pomona College sagehen mascot" clue, but I would have thrown something at the wall a la Nancy because while I hate college sports clues, I particularly hate college sport mascot clues with a feverish passion.

[Spelling Bee: Sat 0; streak 7.]

Anonymous 5:09 AM  

Rex, your point about non-actors is well-taken, though Lennon technically did act (A hard day’s night, Help, How I won the war)…

Conrad 5:10 AM  


Fairly Easy, but I had a lot of overwrites and WOEs:

24A: WEAR oN before IN prior to reading the clue
29A: Figured out from the clue that we were talking binary, but guessed wrong and put Ten here and Two at 16D first
35D: pius i before ST. LEO
40A: My gems were UNcuT before they were UNSET
52D: Fell into the tofu-before-MISO trap
70A: @Rex hACKSAW before BACKSAW
77A: YES I can before YES I DID
79A: nLMVP before AL. Forgot Ohtani played for the Angels

WOEs:
31D: TRIPS in the poker sense
45A: HEL. I need to go to more Norse churches
57D: TAJ as clued
74A: MR. PINK
96D: EARL Sweatshirt

Anonymous 5:55 AM  

But if you use RHES then you have MR… PENK as the crosser?

Alex W 6:32 AM  

How was AU LAIT in before BLACK when it doesn’t fit?

kitshef 6:43 AM  

Nifty theme. I could do with more like this.

Crossing an EARL that no one has heard of with BAH was a bad idea, but no letter besides A works there.

Weird that most of the themers are one actor and one non-actor, but 63A and 112A are two non-actors. Also weird to have ED HARRIS just sitting there.

Agree with Rex that TV TAPE is bad, but disagree about DC POWER, IN A DEAD HEAT, and MUCKER all of which are dandy.

Son Volt 6:48 AM  

The two layer pun theme works - not sure it’s really wacky enough to support the large Sunday grid. 50-50 on Rex’s CAST nit - I had a CAST of characters at my house for dinner last night - no actors. Liked seeing O PIONEERS, POT PIE and READATHON - even if it isn’t a thing.

On RAGLAN Road

RATITE is pure crosswardese. ST KITTS is cool. I have a BACKSAW - the extra reinforcement on the top of the blade allows it to stay rigid through things like fine miters.

Drop the PILOT

Down with the big guy on TV TAPE and ATE - but DC POWER is real and one of the primary issues with solar power and I’ve seen classifieds for MUCKER’s for hire at Belmont.

Pleasant enough Sunday morning solve.

TWO DOLLAR Pistols

Anonymous 6:57 AM  

I’m pretty sure ATE originates from AAVE…I associate it with Black Twitter a few years ago and I think it would be widely recognized by gen Z/millennials (source: am a moderately “online” white millennial).

Bruce Borchardt 7:07 AM  

I actually used my backsaw yesterday. It's a useful tool for precision cuts. And a hacksaw doesn't really have the reinforced spine as clued.

Hal B 7:07 AM  

Usually a stall mucker. Mucker is also used in ice hockey.

DavidF 7:17 AM  

Definitely more in my wavelength than Rex's.

MUCKER is definitely a thing. An unpleasant thing, but a thing nonetheless. The definition is the first thing that comes up when you google it. And anyone who has done any woodworking is familiar with a BACKSAW. PAPAS fritas are french fries to a new-world Spanish speaker, so that was a gimme. My kids' elementary school did READATHONs every year.

TVTAPE, though? C'mon. That's just downright awful. And I agree with pretty much all of his other issues with this puzzle. So it was easier for me, but not any more pleasant.

Anonymous 7:22 AM  

Can't help but think "Debbie Downer," being gendered, won't be long for our native tongue. But, in the meantime, it seems apropos, while we still can, to add a "... Rex" equivalent, but I can't find one. ("Rueful..." don't quite ate it.)

Anonymous 7:25 AM  

My grandsons both hit me up for donations in their school’s read-a-thon
If you’re using a miter box you need a backsaw.
Yes, DC Power. That’s why you need inverters to plug it into the grid.
We all know different stuff.

SouthsideJohnny 7:32 AM  

I thought the theme was fine - enjoyable for a change even. But, boy it got tough to stay interested south of the equator. When you have entire sections filled with stuff like RAGLAN, GAI, SEISM, TEENA, a rap “artist”, Padova . . . Well, when you drive around so long and don’t see a lot of what appear to be real words, then falling asleep at the wheel becomes a real concern.

I don’t know what it is about the NYT, but “lively and fresh” so often looks like, and reminds me of, Latin class during High School. Yea, I know . . . SALADIN crossing PAPAS fritas is “lively and fresh”, NOT !

Anonymous 7:34 AM  

Backsaws are often used to hand cut dovetail joints in woodworking.

JD 7:44 AM  

My Antonia and O Pioneers have the same number of letters by the same author, with both set in Nebraska, and the first is one of my favorites so that didn't help. Knowing that those were Jacks and having the J from Jams, opening with Jacks didn't help. Knowing Hack Saw and never having hearing of a Back Saw was just unfortunate, as was So Did I at first instead of Yes I did. So all in all, I made this harder than it was.

Love Spliced Genes and Two Dollar Bills best of all.

Stuart 7:51 AM  

I liked this a lot. Way more than OFL did, as usual. (I wonder how many puzzles we’d ever see if Rex’s standards were the determining factors. LOL)

BACKSAWs are quite common in a wood shop, but I thought of HACKSAW first. Had UNCUT in lieu of UNSET. Never saw or heard of the O PIONEERS! novel, so that wasn’t a “classic” to me.

The rest was quite satisfactory for a Sunday.

ChrisR 7:55 AM  

I didn't know RATITE or RAGLAN, and I struggled in the NE corner, mostly with UNSET. I battled through those parts but still was off. I am not up on rap or The Truman Show (kARL and k.D. HARRIS), so I ran the alphabet to finish the puzzle.

Anonymous 7:58 AM  

As a high school teacher, I was excited to see "ate." The inclusion of slang that's actually current was a nice change.

Anonymous 8:04 AM  

my irk of the day: has anyone ever called their parents “rents”???

Anonymous 8:05 AM  

My niece says ATE all the time as in "you ate that up" or "girl you ate with that" it means you killed it

Anonymous 8:10 AM  

am i the only one who had an issue with “rents”??

Anonymous 8:13 AM  

I found the theme fun and other parts pretty rough (especially the repeated INs and ITs). Although, in retrospect, I wonder if the cluing on TRIPS was intentionally winking at this? Probably not, but it's funny to think so.

Dropping the T in JEAN Smart in a clue that also references JEAN Harlow made me think of this story: https://quoteinvestigator.com/2013/01/13/t-is-silent/

Rug Crazy 8:15 AM  

TV TAPE said nobody ever. I HAD TO CHECK HERE TO SEE IF IT WAS THE "REAL" OR" REEL" answer

PH 8:19 AM  

Medium. Lot of Proper Names (which I'm terrible at). I've seen many of the names in older puzzles, but still quite a few I didn't know. Fill felt choppy at times, but loved the theme. Quite fun. Another NYT by a teenager -- congrats and well done, Luke!

"Caesar's spirit, raging for revenge, with ___ by his side come hot from hell" - Marc Antony (Answer: ATE. Not sure which clue I prefer.)
(...shall in these confines with a Monarch's voice cry 'Havoc!' and let slip the dogs of war.)

D 8:29 AM  

I’m not surprised ATE hasn’t been clued as such in the NYT before, but I’m glad it has now. That usage has been around for a while. As with lots of common slang, it originated from AAVE and the drag ballroom scene.

Cecil 8:42 AM  

I disagree on one criticism. I always appreciate Looney Tunes characters in crossword puzzles.

Colin 8:45 AM  

I liked this a lot. I acknowledge the complaint about typecasting and actors and all, but also saw this as what's generated by a ... typewriter? I agree with the weaknesses of DCPOWER and TVTAPE (boy, what a rant from Rex!), but the rest was OK.

I had BUCKSAW for the longest time, but of course it's a BACK(SAW) that has a spine. The cross of 74A (PPP) and 65D (I'm a Luddite! - almost never on social media) didn't help. Also went with YESITIS for a while, until YESIDID became apparent.

Based on the clues, one might suspect that BEERAMIDs, ANISE-flavored drinks, and BLACK coffee might be favored sustenance as this young man heads off to college to study SPLICEDGENES while watching his school MASCOT and avoiding DASHEDHOPES.

Thanks for this fun puzzle, Luke. I think your RENTS did OK by you.

Anonymous 9:04 AM  

Read-a-thons were quite common when I was growing up in the 80s. We did this one for multiple sclerosis every year: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MS_Readathon

Anonymous 9:04 AM  

As a 30 year old, I thought “ate” was easy, but I haven’t heard of half of the names in the themed clues.

Fun_CFO 9:06 AM  

Ok, albeit kinda lame theme. Fill as a whole pretty meh. I guess what is basically a typical Sunday.

I always like constructor note mentions of how much changed once NYT eds got their hands on it. In this case, Only 1 of 8 of the original themers made its way into published puzzle. Ooph.

I get puzzles going through many iterations, versions, etc. But, man, 1 of 8 themers? That’s depressing, if this is what you end up with such wholesale editing.

And yes, booo to TVTAPE. PARASAILS(ing) is fun.

mmorgan 9:07 AM  

When I saw TV TAPE clearly and inevitably coming into view I groaned and shook my head in disbelief. I was deeply enmeshed in the VCR era (and still have boxes full of them), but never ever ever in my life have I heard of TV TAPE. Sometimes Rex may be a bit hyperbolic, but yes, this answer is absolutely terrible and should die.

I really did like the theme answers, though some of the typographical tricks in the clues did not appear in Across Lite. But they were fun to figure out.

mmorgan 9:14 AM  

Oh, and READATHONs are real, DC POWER is a thing, IN A DEAD HEAT seems like a fine phrase to me, and one of my favorite restaurants in Buenos Aires is El Palacio de La Papa Frita.

RooMonster 9:20 AM  

Hey All !
Neat idea for a puz. Making common phrases into name type thingies.

Had a DNF/FWE today, though. Both U's that were supposed to be A's (sorry, @M&A, I was trying!). Had BuCKSAW/BuN, and deciding twixt the A or U at the SALADIN/PAPAS cross, picked the U wrongly.

Luke had to pick phrases/names that could be interpreted by manipulation in the clue, so something like GAMMA RAYS would be quite tough to make a clue for.

EARL Sweatshirt? Dang, these crazy rappers names. At least it's not Lil EARL Sweatshirt. How about ___ of Sandwich for a clue?

Got BEERAMID right away. Misspent youth, and all that. We had a pretty good one going at a friend's place we all hung out at. The base had to be a 24 pack. But, as with all BEERAMIDs, it got knocked down. Ah, youth.

Good SunPuz. Even having MTWTF, the fill was OK.

Happy Sunday!

Two F's (Thank you CUTOFFJEANS)
RooMonster
DarrinV

Phillyrad1999 9:20 AM  

Have to agree with Rex on just about all of this. Too many made up words - TVTAPE and DCPOWER - And what is with the question mark after supporting character in a costume - it is literally the definition of a mascot.

Confessing to a misspent youth of too much TV Time way before the t invention of TVTAPE (which is today I think) Cecil Turtle is the Turtle who beats Buggs in the Loony Toons version of the Tortoise and the Hare. This version contains lots of HyJinx as always. To the best of my knowledge he was a one hit wonder never appearing in any other episode.

https://images.app.goo.gl/16uRiL6HegGUt89h7

Anonymous 9:37 AM  

I have heard ATE used as a sports phrase many times. Star player ATE last night, for example. There was also "let the big dawg EAT" which I guess could play.

Anonymous 9:39 AM  

I was thinking the exact same thing.

Alice Pollard 9:43 AM  

I was going for RHES too, but it did not sit well with me. I asked my movie-buff son about Reservoir Dogs and he was certain about MRPINK. so I unwound, and used RBIS, and BACKSAW which I had never heard of before. TVTAPE? Rex, I agree... lame. I had Spasm before SEISM but the Chinese food in 109A didnt mesh, so I fixed it. I also prematurely had bookATHON before READATHON. CHiP before CHAP, I thought that was dead on for "Cause to crack". DCPOWER? I don get it , are they referring to AC/DC or Washington DC? another clunker. Despite it all, I did enjoy the puzzle.

pabloinnh 9:43 AM  

Agree on the TVTAPE abomination. Also agree with those who know what a BACKSAW is and have used one. My JACKS did not jump in the print version, and the STARs for BUCKS and the DOLLAR signs in RUSSELL and BLASS were next to invisible, but unnecessary, so no big deal except I missed out on some fun.

My favorite thing today was having AS____T and before reading the clue and fervently hoping the answer would be ASSHAT, but no, darn it all.

OK Sunday with some good stuff, LKS. Little Known Stuff like TAJ and SALADIN added some pizzazz, and thanks for all the fun.

Gary Jugert 9:51 AM  

I liked trying to guess each theme answer without crosses, and failed every time, but when they finally showed up, I went, "Oho, indeed. Very nice."

And 🦖, there's no scenario under which casting involves actors, it's quite clearly about fishermen, or fisher people, or individuals involved in the use, demonstration, education, or manufacture of casting equipment for the aim of harassing, murdering, and ultimately consuming various fish, or fishes, or fishae, or fishipodes. All of the people in the puzzle should have been Moby Dick characters.

Another hunt and peck-apalooza for me, but I never gave up hope. I was in a grouchy mood and this helped. I wish the grid was a little more fun outside of the theme.

Feels like a lotta INs and ITs.

N-Ks: RATITE, TRIPS, MUCKER (and I've cleaned a few stables in my day), AMAHL, EARL Sweatshirt (funny), RAGLAN.

Ug: TV TAPE, DC POWER.

Propers: 14
Places: 4
Products: 5
Partials: 6
Foreignisms: 5
--
Gary's Grid Gunk Gauge: 34 (25%)

Tee-Hee: MT. WTF! The hill of disbelief I climb every week.

Uniclues:

1 Fancy underwear fer gittin' coffee.
2 How to hide the bodies of grandfathers.
3 Crystal ball gazer predicts the future of music performance major.

1 STARBUCKS LONG JOHNS
2 YOU BACKSAW PAPAS (~)
3 AH I SEE TWO DOLLAR BILLS

My Fascinating Crossword Uniclue Keepsake from Last Year: Spicy appetizers. FEISTY STARTERS.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Anonymous 9:52 AM  

Solved NW through NE. When I got to TV TAPES, I realized there were better ways to spend my Sunday. If things remain this dire, I suspect that I’ll find better ways to spend my subscription money.

Anonymous 9:59 AM  

If you don’t know “rents” you’re too young….it was big in the sixties/early seventies…or at least in my group.

Anonymous 10:04 AM  

Absolutely! Fifty years ago in college that was the most used appellation for our parents

Nancy 10:12 AM  

A star is born!!!!

For a high school senior to come up with this sophisticated, clever, imaginative, varied and thoroughly grown-up puzzle is astounding to me. Every themer clue was a delightful little puzzle in itself -- and it was great fun to figure out every single one of them.

And the grid is so wonderfully free of the kinds of things we're told that today's high-schoolers are so completely into. There's almost no pop culture at all, few proper names, nothing having anything to do with screens or textspeak or anything of that ilk. If I see a hint of the constructor's special interest, it might be in solving the problems of climate change -- to which I say Bravo!

I think you're going to be one of the great constructors, Luke, and I'm putting this superb Sunday into my running list for Puzzle of the Year. Hope you have a great time at Princeton.

bniii 10:13 AM  

“Ave” is NOT farewell in Latin… “Vale” is farewell, goodby, seeya…

PH 10:15 AM  

Edit: Mark Antony, not Marc Antony. (Marcus Antonius)

Anonymous 10:16 AM  

Too many dupes: TWO and TWODOLLARBILL, STKITTS and STLEO, as well as the aforementioned INs and ITs. Corny theme. Easy enough, but I'm starting to wonder what I'm paying for...

Anonymous 10:20 AM  

Yeah, but besides that it sort of works

Anonymous 10:30 AM  

TV TAPE is definitely the worst answer. But I nominate “MTW(T)F” for the second worst. That second “T” has got to be an “R.” That NE corner was just awful.

Anonymous 10:34 AM  

Boring, irritating, and just too basic. What a waste of my Sunday morning.

Sam 10:40 AM  

Experienced secondhand embarrassment for the constructor at TV TAPE

Suzy 10:52 AM  

How about Rex the Self-Righteous?

Parts of this puzzle were easy, parts tough. A nice way to spend a Sunday morning!

Sandy McCroskey 10:53 AM  

I really don't understand why the Times can't manage to depict superscript in the copy of the crossword offered for printing at home.
There is no insurmountable technical hurdle that I can imagine.
So I had no idea why the JACKS were JUMPING.

Anonymous 10:55 AM  

I think deciding that “no one” has heard of Earl Sweatshirt smacks of cultural blindness and even has a racist tinge. Hip hop fans also do crosswords. They are not published solely for whatever audience you imagine or approve of.

Niallhost 10:56 AM  

Super easy. Only challenge for me was the MERE HEL ITISSO section, otherwise a breeze. The only reason I hesitated on ATE is because I didn't think the NYT had caught onto that term yet. Watch Ru Paul's drag race for a hot minute and you'll hear it repeatedly. Thought the theme answers were clever and fun to figure out, but certainly not difficult except for the possible exception of the two HOPES that didn't jump to the top of mind but could be figured out easily enough. My last letter was the "E" in RATITE and ESPORTS which would have been a natick for me if I hadn't been able to run the alphabet for the happy music.

Joey 11:12 AM  

Something ironic about going after “ate,” a piece of ballroom/drag slang, right at the start of Pride Month.

Joey 11:13 AM  

And, yes, readathons and DC power are very much real things.

puzzlehoarder 11:20 AM  

Routine Sunday solve. The only square I wasn't 100% sure of was the Y of PHYSIO. Normally I wouldn't have the slightest doubt of it but for the life of me I couldn't imagine who this TAY person could be. I looked it up today(phone solved last night) and now it makes perfect sense.

YESIDID was the one answer that I never read the clue for as it went in completely from the crosses. I guess that was one of the easier sections for me.

No idea on the TAJ clue. It also went in from the crosses but I didn't notice it when it did.

yd -0. QB49

GILL I. 11:34 AM  

Well, I'm glad I decided to get back in the saddle and give Sunday a little whirl. I stopped doing them for a reason.....they bored me to tears. My memories of doing them under a tree in Central Park while eating my pastrami on rye disappeared some time ago. Today, while not eating under a tree, I decided that this looked interesting. It was.

This was quite ambitious and me thinks it landed. Que fun...PAPAS Fritas fun. CUT OFF JEANS made me kinda squeal with delight. Once I saw how this was supposed to work, it was like my hot knife running through some really good Irish Butter....A melted delight

I learned a few new ATE words. I had to look up an ED HARRIS here, that OPIONEERS answer and a few others. It didn't deter. I took my time because I had time and in the end I really enjoyed my Sunday romp.


Anonymous 11:40 AM  

Only small quibble in an otherwise fun puzzle: Italian in a clue and ITALIA as an answer. I know they’re technically different words (and languages) but was so close that I kept second guessing my ITALIA answer. Still, a fun puzzle. Loved seeing ELROY!

David Grenier 11:43 AM  

I liked the theme a lot. I generally skip obvious theme answers on my first few passes until I have enough crosses on one to be fairly sure of it. That was QUOTATION MARKS for me. Once I got that it was obvious how the theme worked, but nice that each one played different. What was a little harder for me was getting the names. I knew both JOHNs, both GENE, and BUCKS. But the JEANS, JACKS, HOPES and BILLS were all names where I only knew one, and even that one was often a stretch.

I liked that the names ranged across different fields and eras, which might give a broader range of people a chance to get one of them. I’m not sure if that was intentional on the constructors part or just a byproduct of the constraints of the clues (Jacks with four letter last names, Bills with two S’ in the last name).

Beezer 11:52 AM  

I had fun doing the puzzle today, cute theme! Also, you gotta love a puzzle with Steve Buscemi’s MRPINK. In fact, I had so much fun, I wasn’t the least bit annoyed that ALL the famous people weren’t actors. I HOPE that some of the younger solvers weren’t too put off with the Hope Lange reference. I needed it because, even though HOPE Solo sounded familiar, I couldn’t quite figure out why. Did anyone have “hopesdashed” before DASHEDHOPES?

Like @JD, I read My Antonia, but unlike…I have not read OPIONEERS (and spent time trying to think if A Thousand Acres would fit) so I spent a lot of time in the NE since, for some reason, I had a hard time sussing MASCOT even with MAS in place. And, of course, the unanimously proclaimed HORRIBLE “answer” of TVTAPE did not help. Still, no outrage because, hey…it’s a crossword!

Teedmn 11:58 AM  

I don't get how the clue for 46A gets to "jumping". AH, I SEE that, as @okanaganer experienced, @r.alph's solving program didn't have the superscripted centers of LORD and KEMP. Makes sense now.

I knew 15D was referring to a Willa Cather novel and MY ANTONIA fit nicely except with any of the crosses.

Thanks, Luke Schreiber, for a nice Sunday theme.

Anonymous 12:00 PM  

A backsaw is a commonly used handsaw that cuts on the pull instead of the push. Edgar Rice Burroughs wrote a book called The Mucker.

Anonymous 12:03 PM  

I quibble with Ave as a Roman farewell. The correct greeting would be vale.

jb129 12:22 PM  

This was fun to solve unlike most of the Sundays of late (with the exception of last week). I started out not getting it at all. First of all - "TWO" showing up twice in the grid - 29A & 112A. Didn't know CECIL (Loony Tunes turtle) & I had MY TAB for MY BAD 74D for "That's on me" for the longest time. Wouldn't give it up.

I think that was a first (?) for 11D MTWTF Workweek Inits. Liked it a lot. This was a clever puzzle, I finished it quickly & enjoyed it a lot - especially for a Sunday.

Congrats Luke & hope to see you again :)

johnk 12:26 PM  

PAPAS fritas are ubiquitous in Miami, where I lived for years. Even CASTRO eats them.

UNCUT before UNSET, YES IT IS before YES I DID. CHI before DEN, LOPE before TROT. All of which were quickly fixed by crosses or oopses. [Hah! That's a future horrible fill for a future bad edit. Clue: Mistakes. Ans: OOPSES.]

Yes, TV TAPE is horrible, but I'm not pleased with E-SPORTS either.

Well, I'm off to watch some TV TAPE E-SPORTS on my E-CAR's E-DASH.

egsforbreakfast 12:28 PM  

Our early model RCA was always falling apart. Antennas breaking off, knobs clattering to the floor, power cord fraying. I can still hear the Old Man yelling "@egsforbreakfast, bring me the goddamn TVTAPE!"

If ATE means "did a great job" and NATE is a "great"child detective. I guess that, as a rule, NATE ATE.

I saw where a Nike competitor introduced a revolutionary way where you can change the insole pressure in your shoe by pumping air in or letting it out through a tube in the heel. They're calling it the Back Tube ASICS.

Who was the only sultan who ate a SALADIN both Egypt and Syria?

Good theme. Liked the puzzle overall. Thanks, Luke K. Schreiber.

Carola 12:31 PM  

A clever theme, with my favorited being the ones that were harder for me to get: CUT-OFF JEANS and JUMPING JACKS. I admired SITTING DUCKS and IN A DEAD HEAT, and liked the parallel O PIONEERS and READ-A-THON.

Nyet Jones 12:32 PM  

Excuse me, good sir, but your friend and mine John Lennon acted in a little film called A Hard Day's Night.

Germanicus 12:47 PM  

Sorry but the answer to 12 Down cannot be farewell. It actually mean "hail" or even "hello." The Latin phrase "AVE ATQUE VALE" MEANS "Hail and Farewell." I stopped doing the puzzle at this point. A High school senior, not educated in Latin, would not know this. But, alas, it is not astonishing that an NYT Editor would not know it either.

kitshef 12:53 PM  

@Anonymous 10:55 - Spinditty compiled a list last year of the 500 greatest rappers. Earl Sweatshirt did not make the cut. I'm just suggesting that if someone is not in the top 500 in their field (be it baseball players, composers, CEOs, Minnesotans ...) then maybe find another option.

Don Hoenig 12:59 PM  

I got stymied in the NE corner due to 29A (TWO) and 16D (TEN). Two in binary - “10” - doesn’t look like Ten in binary - “1010”. Should have ignored those two but for some reason the binary math I learned over 50 years ago has stuck and I couldn’t get past trying to the get fill to fit for those two. Oh well, rest was fairly easy.

SharonAK 1:04 PM  

OMG How could Rex get all crotchety about the name not all being actors. Nonsense. Cute , fun theme.

But He was right to complain about TV tape.

Was no one else bothered by " car washes" for "auto refreshes"? Would anyone ever say that? Isn't it always
" washes(the/a/his.etc) car"?

I chuckled at 106D "Don't" for "I forbid it." So unexpectedly mild.

Anonymous 1:08 PM  

I had pAR for the standard and MYpAD across it (felt weird but no more off than an dozen other questionable clues today). Took me forever to find.

Liveprof 1:16 PM  

Happy (belated) B'days to you both, Nancy and egs!

On the chances of having co-birthdays, I remember we were assigned in Statistics to figure out the odds of any two people in a group of 30 having the same birthday. It came to 70%, which we found surprising. And one student said -- we have 30 in this class -- let's see if it works. So we went up each row stating our birthdates and, sure enough, we hit a match about halfway through. A hush fell over the class.

Masked and Anonymous 2:13 PM  

These visual play on words themes have surely been done before. The one M&A remembers best is the 24 Jan 2024 NYTPuz, with its LONGJOHNS revealer. Still, this SunPuz had a primo variety of visual play on names themers. And the puztitle ATE enough to do a subtle reveal-hint, IM&AO.

#1 fave solvequest thing: That I remembered KETO from a few days ago. M&A's short-term memory is hangin in there. [Other than sometimes forgettin why I just went into the bedroom, of course.]
Shoot, at my recent annual physical exam, they gave m&e three words to remember, which I had to recall after performin some other tasks. M&A's immediate reaction: "CHURCH, DAISY, RED? Those are the same three words you gave to me last year!" True, in turns out.

#2 fave thing: SITTINGDUCK. Mainly cuz I got it off just a letter or two.

#3 fave thing: MASCOT/CARWASHES. With crossin ?-marker clues! Great sadistic(al) touch.

staff weeject picks [of a mere 30 choices]: TEN & TWO. Bein an old math & computer science major, their cross-ref clues kinda did a figure ATE, at our house.

Thanx, young Mr. Schreiber dude. Another high schooler! U kids are gettin pretty day-um feisty-ass smart. Hey, go for it.

Masked & Anonymo10Us


**gruntz**

Anonymous 2:21 PM  

hip hop is a sport ! 73.

Anonymous 2:41 PM  

It is getting really old solving puzzles where the constructor skews clues to fit their needs. A taj is not a cap worn solely by dervishes! It is the generic skull cap worn by all Muslims. The sikke is the tall cylindrical hat that is unique to dervishes. When you specify a particular individual then you should accurately make the clue and the answer match. I wish whoever edits these puzzles would star using their brains because the constructors aren’t!

Anonymous 2:46 PM  

Except with your fill all of those answers are wrong

A hacksaw doesn’t have a reinforced spine.
RHEs has never been used as an acronym to represents Runs, Hits, and Errors
Mr. Penk is not a character in Reservoir Dogs.

So, no ambiguity, and only one correct solution.

Now, maybe you can say RHIs stands for Runs, Hits, and Innings, but again you’d be completely making something up, with no reference to actual usage. And “hacksaw” would still be wrong.

Ldswat 3:34 PM  

Another 'no idea' gen z bytes (yes bytes) the dust... Stick to other stuff you dont know like hamas do-gooders.

Gary Jugert 3:49 PM  

@Anonymous 10:55 AM
@kitshef responds to this pretty well by pointing out Thebe Neruda Kgositsile aka Earl Sweatshirt formerly Sly Tendencies didn't make the top 500 rappers list, and I will point out his Wikipedia page (which feels like his publicist wrote it) lists a TOTAL of three award nominations in 2013. The thing I find disheartening is an anonymous poster being all-too-eager to accuse someone of racism. How can you know what color a person's skin is, especially one with a made-up name, if you've never heard of them? There are white rappers. Number 6 in earnings is Eminem. I haven't heard of lots of people who turn out to be white. Would you accuse me of being racist?

Anonymous 4:04 PM  

@kenfreeland, did you think that “Mr penk” was the answer to 74A? I didn't know 74A but the crosses were fair. No one knows everything.

Anonymous 4:06 PM  

@SharonAK i see you have never been to a carwash ;)

[had the same "that's it?" funny moment when i got to "DONT".]

-stephanie.

Anonymous 4:07 PM  

Also “Ave Maria” = “Hail Mary.”

Greater Fall River Committee for Peace & Justice 4:13 PM  

I had no idea who most of the people in caps were, actors, shmactors, whatever. Luckily I had a zoom meeting to get through this afternoon, so I got it pretty much finished.

Anonymous 4:20 PM  

as others have already touched on, interesting that rex so often likes to encourage the NYT to be younger, less white, etc but when they get him with a term he doesn't know it's suddenly Very Bad and "trying too hard" or whatever. comical! it's a fine clue and a good inclusion. eat it/ate it is something i've never said and only ever heard when someone literally falls, badly, so with the exception of a spectacular fall [like when a model falls on the runway but turns it into a pose] i can't envision any context where there would be confusion. context, rex, context.

i did mostly feel validated by this write up though. a lot of gunk. tv tape...yeah, i resisted putting that in until the very end. that's a hard pass and there's no way that should be there.

finished pretty quickly even though the themers were tough at times for me because i've never heard of...let's see...there's sixteen names [sorry but nancy you made me giggle today when you said there were "few" proper names ;)] and i'd never heard of eight of them. but often they were paired with one i did know so i could make an educated guess based on that, the crosses, and the punctuation.

and, for the data collectors, i'm 40 and knew [the] 'rents easily.

-stephanie.

Michael 4:32 PM  

A decent rebus with some nice crosses ruined by TVTAPE, but more so by the inelegant AHISEE, ITISSO, YESIDID awkward short compounds. Unfortunate.

Anonymous 4:47 PM  

“Yes but other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how did you enjoy the play?”

Eric Fredericksen 4:48 PM  

Earl Sweatshirt had a profile in the New Yorker and has at least one song with 125 million streams on Spotify.

Anonymous 4:49 PM  

In 2024, Debbie Downer is only gendered if you bring gender to it. Would you prefer Buzz Killington?

Anonymous 4:50 PM  

On the NYT games app those clues are SUBscript which makes them as bad or worse than no formatting.

Anonymous 5:12 PM  

Every time I print out a NYT crossword puzzle lately, I hope it will be better than the last one. Alas, I'm usually disappointed. The overall quality of recent offerings is generally far below the standard that Will Shortz and the NYT set years ago. So much silly, inane content! So much trivial "pop culture!" (There's hardly a puzzle that doesn't have a "rap/rapper" clue.) So many strange turns of phrase that nobody uses! What happened to clever, inventive, challenging? Few current puzzles can claim any of those adjectives now. If you're feeling as frustrated and disillusioned as I am, I suggest you go to the archives and start working the puzzles from the 90s on. I am working on 1996 now and can attest that nearly all of those older creations hit the mark the latest ones repeatedly miss.

Anonymous 5:32 PM  

And Nicholson is Jack, not a John.

Anoa Bob 6:28 PM  

@Anon 2:41, thanks for the TAJ (57D) information. I was thinking the same thing at first when I read the clue "Cap worn by dervishes". But this issue comes up often. The clue need not work in all cases, just in at least one. If a TAJ is the generic skull cap worn by all Muslims, as you say, and dervishes are Muslim, that seems to satisfy the requirement.

I'm not sure how you decided who did what, the constructor or the editor, without some inside information. As someone mentioned in an earlier comment, only one of the constructor's original theme entries were in the final eight.
And clues often get heavy editing. But I guess in the long run it doesn't really matter since you managed to throw shade equally on both.

Anonymous 7:05 PM  

I like it, but it's got no Rex to it

Anonymous 7:12 PM  

It’s probably silly to levy racism accusations towards someone who thinks Earl Sweatshirt is unfairly obscure, but the “I can look down on rap because Eminem is white” defense is really a treat. Earl is very well known to the youths, for what it’s worth

Anonymous 8:33 PM  

It’s widely accepted that Mr Pink gets shot as he leaves the warehouse. It just doesn’t happen on camera, but you hear multiple shots.

Anonymous 8:52 PM  

“Equal noses” is better for “in a dead heat”. The clue “neck and neck” is better for “down to the wire” or “by a nose”. “Neck and neck” almost never comes down to a “dead heat” and of course Rex is right. The “in a” part of clue is clunky.

68Charger 9:00 PM  

Never heard or used that term!!

Anonymous 9:51 PM  

Anonymous 2:41 pm
So a Dervish wouldn’t wear a taj?
Clues are not definitions but hints. This is a puzzle after all. Clues are NOT definitions. Unless a Dervish would never wear a tajthere is absolutely nothing wrong with the clue.

Gary Jugert 10:29 PM  

@Anonymous 7:12 PM
Nobody in this thread has made any value judgment on rap. YouTube shows a Taylor Swift video at 3.5 billion, one for Drake at 1.5 billion, and Earl's best is 34 million. So, a bit of work left to be "very well known." Glad you know him.

Blackbird 10:39 PM  

Enjoyable puzzle. Fun theme. Congratulations to Luke K. Schreiber, a high school senior about to attend Princeton University, for his second NYTimes crossword puzzle. Too bad he had to encounter the snarky comments written by Rex Parker. In this instance, Rex is definitely a Debbie Downer.

Anonymous 11:04 PM  

Not to their faces!

Ken Freeland 11:07 PM  

Ah , you don't get it... Who knows what a reinforced spine means and whether a hacksaw has one or not? Mr. Penk may not be a character in Reservoir Dogs but who would know that, other than someone who happened to watch that particular film and recalled the character. In other words, it's just another natick!

Ken Freeland 11:12 PM  

Me neither...

Ken Freeland 11:22 PM  

See my response above. Anyone who hasn't seen this particular movie can honestly answer: How the f would I know? Constructors should not be able to assume that solvers have im ibed any particular piece of pop culture....

Anonymous 11:52 PM  

ATE has become pretty common in gay circles as well. I agree that this puzzle was a slog, but I immediately knew the answer to this clue.

Anonymous 9:43 AM  

Frankly, I don’t know how the editor could allow both GENES and JEANS in the theme. When is Will Shortz coming back?

Tina 11:29 AM  

I think it was a good puzzle for a constructor who is a senior in high school. Keep it up Luke.

Anonymous 12:24 PM  

Isn't that the point of crosswords? That you need to know things?

Anonymous 1:50 PM  

To all those complaining about the cluing for "ave": the ancient Romans were inveterate word-recyclers. Yes, "ave" usually means "hail", but it can also mean "farewell".

Anonymous 9:40 AM  

I don’t know who Jean Smar is. But I was SURE the puzzle was going for HARLO/T and SMAR/T…as in CUTOFFTEES_. I just couldn’t figure out where that last letter was going to come from. Was I spelling Tees wrong? Are there two Ts in CUTTOFF?

Anonymous 10:42 AM  

Ken, those two answers (Mr. Pink and Hacksaw) don’t even cross each other, so they can’t be a Natick.

Anonymous 4:00 PM  

And here I thought 'Debbie Downer referred to a stale snack cake.
Oh well...
I guess I'm one of the rare crossword solvers who didn't mind or moan over TV TAPE.
I actually appreciate it when a constructor gets creative and coins a new word or phrase, or comes up with a clever spin on what's common.

Anonymous 6:03 PM  


Cut & pasted off the website read-a-thon.com...
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Read-A-Thon was such a great, easy to run fundraiser for our school. Our PTA wasn't sure how it would turn out and we guessed very low on our budget for this event. We were surprised that we made over 5K more than we anticipated! Thank you for the quick turn around on paperwork and for all of the support setting it up. Our teachers were pleased with the simplicity of how it ran. We will spread the word to other schools in our district about this easy-to-run fundraiser, and we will gladly use it again in the future.

$9,500 Raised!
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Anonymous 3:13 PM  

2.7 million monthly listeners on Spotify, that’s more than Buddy Holly, Bonnie Raitt, Loretta Lynn, or Little Richard. He’s notable enough for crosswords. Certainly reasonable not to have heard of him, but many people have.

Burma Shave 12:31 AM  

DON'T SAY ITISSO

AH, YESIDID go out TO LEARN
how LONGJOHN'S UNIT works:
HE took his JUMPINGJACKS OFF tURN
and gave IN TO TWO ARMED JERKS.

--- TEENA DEERE

spacecraft 10:54 AM  

Another Pleasant Valley Sunday. NE was a little skittish with MTWTF crossing TVTAPE, and I'm tool-ignorant enough to have tried BANDSAW and even BANKSAW before the correct BACKSAW (a thing, really?), but other than that it was easy-breezy.

Hand up for no printed JUMPs in the JACKS. Didn't matter. This baby was a SITTINGDUCK. Birdie.

Wordle par.

Anonymous 4:01 PM  

I remembered Mr Pink immediately. (Patting self on back, while saying way to go neurons!) I saw Reservoir Dogs when it came out on TV tape that we played on our VCR machine. My friend actually rented it by accident. She actually wanted to watch a different movie, but had screwed up which one it was. But we were very glad she did, because we LOVED the movie! It's on my imaginary top 100 list of movies of all time.

Anonymous 10:03 AM  

A few people have defended "mucker" but nobody has yet made a Murdoch Mysteries reference (good TV show from Canada set in the late 1800s/early 1900s, it features a character that frequently calls people 'me old mucker'!)

https://murdochmysteries.fandom.com/wiki/Me_Ol%27_Mucker#Overview

Anonymous 11:13 AM  

Typecasting meant something different to me. I thought of typesetting not actors. All the clues were typographic — quote marks, superscripts, dollar signs, extra letters….

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