Nirvana achiever / THU 3-28-24 / Shade-tolerant perennial / Dustin's sweetheart on "Stranger Things" / Songwriter Barry who once had six consecutive #1 hits / Iberian greeting
Thursday, March 28, 2024
Constructor: Dominic Grillo
Relative difficulty: Medium-Challenging
Parts:
- SMILE (up top where the HAT should be)
- NOSE and HAT (are these supposed to be EARs or HANDs, I cannot tell)
- EAR (I think this is the NOSE's place? Maybe EYES?)
- EYES (How did they get both EYES to go in the single NOSE hole? Or are the EYES one piece with this toy?)
- HAND (down below where the SMILE should be ... I think)
The Story of Adèle H. (French: L'Histoire d'Adèle H.) is a 1975 French historical drama film directed by François Truffaut, and starring Isabelle Adjani, Bruce Robinson, and Sylvia Marriott. Written by Truffaut, Jean Gruault, and Suzanne Schiffman, the film is about Adèle Hugo, the daughter of writer Victor Hugo, whose obsessive unrequited love for a military officer leads to her downfall. The story is based on Adèle Hugo's diaries. Filming took place on location in Guernsey and Senegal.
20-year-old Isabelle Adjani received much critical acclaim for her performance as Hugo, garnering an Oscar nomination for Best Actress in a Leading Role, making her the youngest Best Actress nominee ever at the time. The Story of Adèle H. also won the National Board of Review Award for Best Foreign Language Film, the French Syndicate of Cinema Critics Award for Best Film, and the Cartagena Film Festival Special Critics Award. (wikipedia)
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Segmentation of the grid, particularly the extreme isolation of the center part (with only the narrowest of pathways in), made the puzzle somewhat difficult to travel through, and made that center section way harder than it would've been otherwise. You can only get in there via two answers: SEDIMENTS (which has a "?" clue, which meant that it was initially no help to me) (31A: Bank deposits?) and CHINESE YUAN (48A: Currency once pegged to the U.S. dollar). Luckily I knew the latter. I knew SEDIMENTS was probably something to do with river "banks," but SILT was the only word I had in my head, so I had to work from inside the potato before I got SEDIMENTS. And what do we have inside the potato? The plural of "poetry," LOL, I teach poetry (literally; later today, in fact) and I have never used the plural POETRIES in my life (I'm probably exaggerating, but not by much). If you were going to use it, you certainly wouldn't use it the way the clue has clued it, by reference to what are basically GENRES. [It can be epic or lyric] = POETRY. That would work. [They can be epic or lyric]? Hell no. Maybe (maybe) you might talk about the various POETRIES of the world—using it as a word for various poetic traditions. But mainly it's just poetry, man. No plural needed (or wanted). As for knowing names of poker guys, ugh, I remembered PHIL IVEY with a few crosses, but I can't say I enjoyed it (24D: Winner of 10 World Series of Poker bracelets). There's a dumb spelling game in here (37A: Synonym found after deleting half the letters of EXHILARATE) and a Britishly-spelled MITRE and the wholly underwhelming bonus (?) theme answer OVOID (46A: Shaped like this puzzle's subject). Also, I know PCP only as a drug and have never used that term to refer to my doctor, though I recognize that it's a valid abbr. (for "primary care physician"). So the middle part was the hardest part was the most unpleasant part.
But PHIL IVEY was not the fill that made me wince the most. That honor goes to ADELE H, truly the worst crossword name partial of them all. Let me tell you all the ways it is bad. First, it's a partial. It's not the movie's title—it's a part of the movie's title. It is hyperspecific—there is no other way to clue ADELE H, and no other ADELE H in the universe to help you as an analogy. Like, I might not know a particular TIM or BOB or SUZIE (13A: Dustin's sweetheart on "Stranger Things"), but I can at least recognize those names as names that humans have. ADELE H, not so much. Further—that movie is exceedingly Not famous. It's nearly 50 years old and somehow, though I watch hundreds of movies a year, most of them on the Criterion Channel, and I read lots of writing about film, this film never comes up. It's a 50-year-old minor film by a major director, but (I'm pretty sure) most solvers will not have heard of it (let alone seen it) unless (like me) they learned about it from crosswords. Further, and worst of all, if you're a solver who doesn't know the film, then you don't have any idea that ADELE H is actually two words, or two parts: an ADELE part followed by the initial "H." ADELEH looks like one name in the grid. "Who the hell is ADELEH?" I can almost literally hear thousands of solvers asking in unison today. This is only the fifth time ADELEH has appeared in the NYTXW, and only the third during my blogging tenure (since '06). And all because of a terminal "H" occasioned by the placement of the HEAD in "POTATO HEAD." Stunningly, all appearances of ADELEH come from the Shortz (now Shortz/Fagliano) Era. The 1970s, when this movie at least had some currency, didn't want anything to do with ADELEH a crossword answer, and neither should you. Delete it.
Other stuff:
Signed, Rex Parker, King of CrossWorld
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Other stuff:
- 57D: Pulitzer-winning author whose name is found in nonconsecutive letters of "page turner" (AGEE) — this may be the stupidest clue I've ever seen in my life. "Nonconsecutive?" I hope you wrote in PETE and just left it there in defiance of this stupid clue.
- 25D: Deeply asleep, hyperbolically (COMATOSE) — one way to rescue your puzzle from excessive grimness (see also the clue on UZI).
- 38A: Taiwanese president ___ Ing-wen (TSAI) — really should commit this to memory, but so far no luck. Had THAI here (?!?!) until SIGNAL BOX helped me out.
- 15A: O-O-O part (TAC) — as in the game Tic-TAC-Toe
- 45A: "Be mindful when clicking," in brief (NSFW) — Not Suitable For Work. Clue isn't really specific enough, since you should be mindful when clicking in many, many situations, not just when your buddy sends you porn.
Off to teach the POETRIES. See you next time.
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132 comments:
Great accomplishment getting a puzzle published in the NYT.
Breath.
This puzzle sucked.
Just when you thought it couldn’t get any worse - I hope @Nancy has some room on her wall today.
These puzzles are supposed to be about the WORDS
Not excusing the weirdly placed body part circles, but maybe that’s demonstrating that they’re INTERCHANGEABLE
That’s the whole point of the puzzle. This is addressed in the write-up multiple times.
My memory is dim, but I think the original Mr/Mrs Potato Head was just the eyes, ears, etc. that you then stuck on a real potato wherever you wanted. That was the fun part. I gather the modern version, in addition to being gender neutral, also provides a plastic potato with slots for the body parts. So maybe the random placement of the parts reflects the earlier version.
And I gotta disagree about Adele H. First, it's a pretty good movie, with some nice literary history embedded; second, the puzzle does give you the rest of the title, so it's not really that unfair.
The clever answers to the body parts were shaped in the circles like the body parts.
Anyone else who studied law in the UK will immediately remember PHIL IVEY v Genting Casinos..classic caselaw!
Natick crossing "u[z]i" and "su[z]ie".
Not Safe For Work. Hated this one. Lots of trivia. PHIL IVEY? I don't follow the WSOP, let alone know what a bracelet winner is--had to look it up. You need a CANOE for a slalom or a sprint? ARHAT? Grrr. I finished, but it was an unpleasant slog. Agree with @Rex about the construction vis-a-vis the solving experience.
Adele H. - a movie I really admire - was a "gimme" for me; so I must disagree with Rex on this one. And nobody calls it "the History of ...." Fascinating that ballet shoes are referenced in two puzzles in a row. But I agree with Rex - the "Agee" clue was simply dumb.
Aren't COASTAL AREAS and EAT A SANDWICH cousins? Once removed?
I've had a NYT Subscription for about eight years now just to do the crossword.
Over the last few weeks I've had so many DNFs and almost no actual fun crossword solving experiences. I've pretty much given up Sundays because they're just a long slog with no joy, and usually the same "change a letter and clue wackily" or "this word sort of sounds like this other word" theme every damn time.
I think I'm done with the NYT. I don't need the Wirecutter telling me what overpriced garbage to buy, I don't need opinion pieces telling me what rich ivy-plus educated people think, and the news is mostly team red/team blue horserace politics.
The only thing of value is the puzzles, and now they might as well just be "guess what word or name or random phrase you've never heard that I'm thinking of".
This is not worth the cost of the vastly overpriced subscription.
Not to mention that ADELEH crosses BELLE island which is clued as a proper noun which kinda makes it a natick.
So it’s good and not obscure just because you, personally, knew it? 😕
I think there was an element of the theme that Rex missed. I’m sure the former HRH CAMILLA was the original model for Mrs POTATO HEAD. I have a picture of her in my mind having her NOSE where her EAR should be, and her HAND where her HAT would go.
Rex, your solving software probably didn’t have the russet-brown coloring of the featured toy as we got on the app. That elevated it … a bit.
Usually I don’t care that much about the fill - just something to get through and easy to ignore if the big stuff is good or the cluing is clever. But so many ARCANE answers today, including at least three things that I recognized as being words but had no idea what they meant - ARHAT, TENON and ALB. (Oh, another themer - the Bishop POTATO HEAD toy and his INTERCHANGEABLE ALB and MITRE. But wait, I thought the toy was American, so it should be MITer!)
One nice long answer in GOES NOWHERE (I had GetS first), but others like COASTAL AREA, SIGNAL BOX and CHINESE YUAN were a bit DRAB. I had to guess on the crossing of the poker player and the family doctor - never heard of him nor of that abbreviation.
This one was all about the theme, which was kind of fun.
As a kid, much of the fun of Mr.Potato Head was placing the parts where they didn’t belong. As others said, the parts are INTERCHANGEABLE, and in the puzzle they maintained their shapes.
Once you got the theme, the body parts and the circles were largely irrelevant. So maybe a tough construction job, but solving this as a crossword puzzle really sucked, with shit like EMDASH, ARHAT, TSAI x ALB, ADELEH . . . and SUZIE, UZI and SELA all crammed into their tiny little section.
I think most of us would forgive one PHIL IVEY (per week) but the NYT just seems to thrive on filling up their grids with arcane nonsense. They even clued BELLE as PPP and crossed it with ADDELEH. I really hate the “look how smart I am” clues - this was a “look how smart I am” puzzle.
The NYT has become the Dave Kingman of puzzles - bat like .153 but hit about 48 hrs a year. I’d much rather have Pete Rose spraying the ball all around the park and playing fundamental baseball both offensively and defensively. If it weren’t for all of the baggage, Rose would be a first ballot hall-of-famer and Kingman is largely an afterthought. The NYT is definitely no longer the gold standard and is quickly racing toward afterthought territory.
No whoosh. Not fun. A slog.
For me, a capital-p Puzzle. One outright guess (UZI/SUZIE – Z or S?) and many return-to’s, due to deliciously slippery cluing and no-knows. A faith solve for me, where I trusted that my inner brain would eventually inform my vexed overt brain with insight.
And it did, eventually conquering thorny riddles. What three-letter word comes after SIGNAL for the train building? Is it MOM or SIS or DAD? Which currency? Which river? And so on, with the outing sparked by a sweet staccato of ebullient ahas.
I like how the circled body parts attach to all parts of the potato – left, right, top, bottom, and middle area. I learned that there is a space in ADELEH. I learned and am inspired by the fact that, as he says in his notes, Dominic worked for more than a year on this, grinding out 100 versions before being satisfied with the grid – wow, and exceptionally inspiring.
Thinking about Mr. or Mrs. Potato Head shoots me right back to my kid mind, bringing memories of playing it with my sister, which spurs other memories – what my house looked like, meals with the family, and much more. Seeing all this not through my adult eyes, but from my kid eyes. What a gift!
So, thank you, Dominic, for a proper Puzzle and more. Your uber-dedication certainly paid off here!
Had eLB instead of ALB (almost remembered) and TSeI looked just as valid to me as TSAI does, being unfamiliar with Thai names.
FWIW, PCP can also be (more commonly?) "primary care provider." I mostly see NPs, not MDs, as do many people, and they're equal to the task (and usually have much better bedside manner ;). Down with the medical hierarchy, is what I'm saying :)
I had a really tough time with this one. Too many unknown words to me. ARHAT, ALB, MITRE, PHILIVEY, EMDASH, ADELEH, TSAI, TENON, BELLE were all lucky guesses in some fashion. I've seen a few of these before in puzzles, but this seemed like esoteric overload. I got it, but I can't say I enjoyed the ride.
Miss you Will Shortz.
UZI crossing SUZIE was a Natick, but other answers could only be found with crosses - ARHAT? Well, I guess that’s a Nirvana achiever, then, but it was totally unknown to me. The POTATO HEAD theme was fine and easy to get, otherwise a slog of a puzzle. I did like the long answers for the most part, and I have to disagree with Rex about The Story of ADELEH, which was well-known in the 70s, and Isabelle Adjani is wonderful in general.
POETRIES is ridiculous.
Things to like about today's puzzle: At least the gimmick is quickly discoverable?
Today's litany of clue types and reveals I despise:
PHIL IVEY: No you don't get to use mid celebs who are nobodies. Try harder.
Word searches: Stop it with the "name of a person/thing/event found in this phrase"- write an actual damn clue.
Apple Music Heading - GENRES: Nope. Staring at Apple Music right now, not a single tab or subgroup that says GENRES. This clue is what I call "misdirection meets straight up LIES." Much like Rex's beef with ADELEH.
BELLE: Now you're assuming we all know as much about Detroit parks as we do about random features of the state of New York. Stop it with this stuff. You could've clued this a million other ways, but no, you assume we know the city features of Detroit. Why not Milwaukee, the good land? How about Akron, AKA the shemboody city? Des Moines, home of Iowans? Escanaba, the port to somewhere? JUST MAKE A PUZZLE OF TRIVIA ABOUT CITY FEATURES FROM PLACES NO ONE KNOWS SO WE CAN ALL PARTAKE IN MISERY.
Otherwise eh, it wasn't the worst, but the longer answers were all pretty meh. Would've liked them to support the theme in some way.
If you happen to be color blind, as I am, you “potato” is green
So many proper nous crosses that I just did not know and the crosses were no help. UZI/SUZIE and ADELEH with BELLE, I had to look up the movie and as you said, it was not a major film in his biography. Even had to dig deep to find that.
So the NYT crossword is just bad now I guess
This has to be one of the most stupid puzzles ever created. And why do we have plural EYES but only one ear? And only one HAND? Poor little Potato Head must have been in a bad accident.
Just the liturgical nerd here to say that an alb is actually worn by any person leading the liturgy who is baptized--lay or ordained. *pushes up the bridge of his glasses with his pointer finger* Thank you for your time.
Agree with many about the __"as clued" nature of many answers, especially BELLE. I did know ADELEH though, so yay me. Raise your hand if you're an English major and have ever seen POETRIES. Yeah, thought so.
Maybe this took so long because I'm delaying going back to our now-empty condo to get on with the cleaning before tomorrow's walk through. Even if you didn't love a place, there's something very sad about seeing it totally deserted.
Not my cuppa today. Tomorrow will be our first night in the new place, surrounded by boxes but with hope on the horizon. No internet for a few days so I'll be MIA for a while.
No Natick here. Never heard of this SUZIE or this UZI but rap music often celebrates gun violence so the Z was inferable.
Really interesting Thursday. More please!
@Lewis I too have memories surrounding Potato Head. I remember begging my mom for a potato while she cooked dinner so I could arrange those extra sharp pieces. No one seemed too worried that I might hurt myself in any way. These days the warnings alone on toy boxes scare me before I even open them for my grandsons!
I liked the puzzle but two things threw me a little: “poetries?” and “emdash”. Usually that dash is an unclued word related to other clues but today it was literal. But that’s Thursday I guess!
I got to POETRIES and quit. So much to loathe in this puzzle. Fagliano seems to love going much too far to be clever and cute. I'm heading over to WaPo to do the LA Times puzzle, which still makes sense.
@Anonymous 7:04
I totally agree with you about the NYT. I switched from the "real" subscription (way too expensive) to the digital. Puzzle solving lately just isn't any fun. From the xword (without Rex's blog, I'd be lost) to the absurd words that Sam E. includes & doesn't include in his game.
Maybe I'll try this one after I watch on TV about Donald Trump going to a fallen police officer's wake (NYC) - or maybe I won't.
PHILIVEY? Get better, Will, We are drowning in Potato soup. this one was bad.
It’s actually a fairly well-known film among those who like international films. Isabelle Adjani was nominated for an Oscar for the role of Adele H.
If I were writing POETRIES [sic] about this puzzle -- and I can't resist because, after all I'm a poetriesist -- I would begin with an ODE:
Why is this awful?
Let me count the ways...
1) POETRIES
2) Annoying tiny little circles -- which I hate to see on any day of the week, but when it's on my favorite puzzle day, Thursday, my heart sinks at first glimpse.
3) Having to figure out what the tiny little circles are doing when it's not remotely apparent to me and I plain don't care.
4) Building an entire puzzle around MR POTATO HEAD who I gather, for reasons known to someone but not to me, is now no longer a MR. What a shame.
5) The rapper who names himself after...an assault rifle. And would you believe he's yet again another LI'L?
6) ARCANE pop trivia names
7) Ugly partials: ZIN, IST, EPI, PCP, HOO
Hoo boy was this ever bad!
Hey All !
Have to give a "Phew" to keeping my Streak alive. Some unknowns that were correct guesses (albeit less a guess than 50-50, as in sort of inferrible) at the P of POP/POETRIES and the E of ADELEH/BELLE. I was one of the many saying, "ADELEH? Okay..."
They dropped the gendered titles (which is silly, btw), but left the now generic POTATO HEAD with a moustache? C'mon, gender neutral person!
Grid is 16 Tall to accommodate the middle POTATO HEAD shape, I'm assuming. Doesn't really need to be, I think we all would've gotten the gist of it if puz was still 15x15.
46 Blockers today! Holy Moly, the count is getting huge! But the way they are in amazingly didn't end up with tons of shortness. Well, 23 threes, anyway.
Get the parts of a POTATO HEAD are INTERCHANGEABLE, but what sadistic person would put it together like this? Har.
Happy Thursday.
Two F's
RooMonster
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Thought I finished but got the "something is amiss" message. Stared at the puzzle for quite a while trying to figure out what it was. Finally realized that it's PHIL IVEY (someone I've never heard of because like most people I don't follow professional poker) and not the single surname GHILIVEY because it's PCP not GCP. (I was thinking "General Care Practitioner" but that's just GP, General Practitioner.) I chalk my confusion up to bad construction. A generic abbreviation crossing a poker pro? Who cares.
As we are all saying, the theme is a dud. A few red plus signs, though. ARHAT, EPIGENESIS, COMATOSE. Cancelled out by 23 threes.
Which is why many of us just pay for the NYT games app!
I didn't finish, but I knew ADELE H. If it's not well-known, it should be.
And I thought Ezersky’s puzzle last Saturday was bad…today was a new low.
Haven't hated a puzzle quite this much in a long time. Congrats
On most days, I basically agree with Rex’s criticism but I like it better than he does. Today I basically agree with Rex’s criticism but think it’s even worse. I hate cutesy puzzle architectures, I hate very segmented puzzles, words I barely recall ever seeing (e.g., ALB, PHIL IVEY, TENON—surely because I’m ignorant but still), words whose clues were pointlessly difficult (BELLE, AGEE). I happened to recall ADELE H, but I have an MA in film. Otherwise, I don’t see how I would have gotten BELLE.
So. Many. Threes.
Idk. Sorta difficult right at the beginning, but then it filled out in pretty normal Thursday time. I don’t know HOSTA or ARHAT but got the H via the theme, as it had to be HAT. Not sharing other solvers’ experience today. I just like when the Thursday puzzle really makes me look at the grid differently, like that loopdeloop puzzle, or that one a ways back in which the theme answers only made sense if you read part of them left to right, then reversed and read right to left, then left to right again. Those sorts of Thursday puzzles get me going. Didn’t hate this one like others, though.
Not a great reason but I think bc the eyes are one piece.
First of all, POETRIES? What is that?
Like @Nancy, I looked at the blank grid and groaned. Circles, grid art, cross referenced clues - all things I detest. In that respect, the puzzle did not disappoint. However, it was not so painful as I anticipated, with only the SE AREA left with blank space and no choice but to google a couple of names. Not knowing OLA didn’t help and having PALE for DRAB because the clue said colorless, which I took to mean devoid of color. Merriam-Webster defines drab as a light brown/fdull brown or basically a dull color, while pale is defined “deficient in color.“ So I’m still trying to figure that one out. And SIGNAL BOX didn’t jump out at me because wouldn’t that be something that’s inside of a building that maintains train operations as opposed to the actual building itself? Maybe it’s referring to hobby trains.
Finally, what I learned: CAMILLA is no longer HRH because kings and queens/consorts are promoted from Highness to Majesty, so I guess now she’s an HRM. I always thought they were HRH forever unless they’re disgraced like those who shall not be named.
I always thought Mr. POTATO HEAD was kind of a dork. I don’t think changing his name is going to help.
Weird, weird puzzle. But ADELE H was a gimme. Great movie!
Like Rex I found the centre section the hardest. I’m an English grad and refused to believe POETRIES was a thing until there was no alternative. Had no idea about Poker players so it was time for Google.
But poor Adele H. What did she ever do to you Rex?
Quite engaging during the solve except for way way way too many propers and partials, and the final artwork is a bit underwhelming. Looks more like a coffee stain in the middle of the puzzle.
In checking Amazon, the current boxes say Mister, Mrs., Yamma, and Yampa, and also show the names gendered in other languages, so saying in 1A they've dropped gendered titles isn't accurate.
UZI crossing SUZIE is horrible and hilarious.
The NYTXW post-slush-pile editors do not do their jobs. Slushy grabs out POTATO HEAD from the daily 50 since it's awesome in a 5th grade take an M-80 to Yampa potato and blow him to smithereens kinda way, and turns it over to the Ivy leaguers upstairs to do their slasher hatchet job. One of them is supposed to say this isn't good, but they too ride the Potato Head conceit like a pack of potato heads into publication. Here's utter contempt and laziness toward building puzzles to be served up with pride. Im-Propers: SUZIE, CAMILLA, TSAI, MITRE (never gonna remember it), ADELEH, GIBB, UZI, PHIL IVEY, NIN, SELA, AGEE, ARHAT, ALB, BELLE. That's more than a dozen proper nouns not counting the river, the country, and the skiing apparatus. Im-Partials: Add on 13 partials and initialisms. An onslaught of straight badness. Even if you knew every one, it's too many.
Yamma Potato Head deserves better.
Uniclues:
1 Got grokked in Givors.
2 The one you road to the bottom of the lake.
3 Goal of every mythical hero.
4 Sleeping gunner doesn't "got yer back."
1 XED RHONE BAR (~)
2 INERT CANOE (~)
3 SCAR DEMON ASAP (~)
4 COMATOSE UZI ADO (~)
My Fascinating Crossword Uniclue Keepsake from Last Year: Bikini Island with a less formal dress code. IN THE BUFF ATOLL.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I did my first NYT crossword in 1963 when I was in 6th grade. Lately, they are harder and harder for me because I don't care about rap or poker or watch much tv, including The Simpsons (sorry about that, even as a young child I couldn't sit through cartoons, my brain seems to be missing something about connecting to them). I am not up on texting shorthand. Adele H was a gimme, as was Belle, though given that they crossed, it didn't help me much. But I am always grateful for those clues that others consider arcane because they often give me a toehold.
Rex, you should consider watching the movie. I saw it a few times when it came out--I remember the moody achiness of it. Maybe you have to be a 20-something woman to really love it, but it did win many awards--anyone who was interested in film in 1975 went to see it, and not just because it was directed by Truffaut.
Only thing that got me through this was looking forward to reading Rex tear it down.
Maybe POETRIES should have been clued "Attempts by Edgar Allan".
I'm surprised that no one so far had the same initial reaction to the brown mass at the center in the app version as I did. "Oh swell, a turd theme!" Turns out that you can make a continuous shape out of POOP right at the top of the big turd. Change TARDIER to TuRDIER and you've got a nice revealer. And it would spice up the meaning of BUM out. But enough of this crap...
While I didn't love this, I genuinely always admire a constructor who takes a wacky idea for a puzzle and produces a doable grid. Thanks, Dominic Grillo.
Thought it might be a Sam Ezersky puzzle when I guessed ARHAT, one of the infuriatingly obscure words accepted by Spelling Bee. Went to Belle Isle on a rainy day for a class picnic. Not a fun puzzle
@Anonymous (7:04) If you’re purchasing a full subscription because you prefer to solve with the actual newspaper in your hand, then this isn’t going to help. However, in case you weren’t aware, just thought I’d mention you can purchase an online digital subscription for the NYT GAMES only at $50 a year. Once you subscribe, you can download the application to an iPad or smart phone [which is what a lot of people here seem to prefer]. Or you can also access the New York Times website which will give you the option of printing a paper copy if [like me] that’s what you prefer and, of course, if you have the computer/printer setup at home to do so. One of the nicer advantages to it is that you also have full access to the Crossword Archives all the way back to 1993.
Good gracious, this puzzle was just so bad. Mr. Fagliano is going to drive people away from the puzzle with this kind of (continual) dreck.
I don’t know whether I enjoyed the puzzle or just felt good about the fact that I managed to finish it…without cheating. I think the latter, she said embarrassedly. I knew even while solving this would not be a popular puzzle and I agree that there are a LOT of deficiencies here. @Nancy set out some VERY good points, and they were funny!
I don’t think anyone has mentioned two areas that had me flummoxed. First, was…CANOE!? Having no idea there is an Olympic slalom or sprint race…I simply refused to fill in CANOE even though my crosses indicated it COULD be. Kept thinking there was a piece of equipment in snow skiing events that I was unaware of. Second…the one that really got me was DEMON because I just KNEW it had to be TYPE A.
Lastly…@Wanderlust…I have the “official” puzzle app but my grid shows gray! Drat. Maybe I need to force an update.
Unlike most solvers, I actually enjoyed this one. But I got Naticked at the ZIN/NSFW cross. Still can't figure out why ZIN is a "certain red, for short." Can someone please clue me in?
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Unlike most of today's solvers, I enjoyed this one. But I got Naticked at the ZIN/NSFW cross. And I still can't figure out why ZIN is a "certain red, for short." Can someone please clue me in?
The idea of kids playing with rotting potatoes amuses me. They leak an awful-smelling liquid when they get too old. I guess we're not so different from potatoes.
Was expecting an Easter egg theme, but was not disappointed. Dropping "Mr." was an interesting fact. I read that the constructor tried 100 different grids before this one. I can see how the fill would be restricted, so no complaints here, and I liked seeing PHILIVEY. You don't need to like poker, but he is considered by many to be the best all-around poker player ever -- certainly not a nobody.
Congrats and well done, Dominic. (I wonder how Dan Quayle fared on this puzzle.)
Ay tamales!. Now I can't get @egs TURDIER out of my HEAD. And @Sun Volt....May I join you? I'm betting @Nancy's wall is getting quite full.
POTATO HEAD????? Is that it????? And I look at you and see you have a CHINESE YUAN on your chin. GENRES where have you been all my life? Are you related to BELLE, ADELEH, SUZIE and TSAI. Don't even get me started on the clue for CANOE (16D)...Is that a joke I'm missing?
Oh, may I add that ARHAT and PHILIVIEY are lousy dance partners.
I'll finish by asking: Is SIGNAL BOX really a building that maintains a trains operation? I think I'll go eat a sandwich with everyone.
Been doing these puzzles since the late 1980s. This is among the worst.
Hated the puzzle, but via Ngram - poetries
Adele H is an excellent film that has stuck with me all these years. If you've ever watched a child play with a Mr Potato Head (they're now defanged with a plastic "potato" with holes the pieces fit into instead of pointy pieces you pushed into an actual potato), they like to put the pieces in places they don't belong: eye where the nose goes, etc.
har. Liked the puzgrid art. Especially the placement of the HAND letters … whose cover-up is definitely useful for helpin drop them gender titles.
After gettin the SMILE and HAT and EAR letters, caught on to the puztheme mcguffin and filled in POTATO, HEAD, and NOSE offa nuthin much. Tooooo easy, for a ThursPuz. But the name entries and weird clues did try to compensate, I'd grant.
Knew PHILIVEY, so got his name offa just a few hinter letters. Been many years since M&A watched a poker tournament on ESPN, tho. Amazin, what the brainpan decides to store in the longterm archives wing.
some fave stuff: GOESNOWHERE, mixed with a rhymin NOSE. COMATOSE. CAMILLA usin her UZI on SUZIE & SELA. OFFCENTER. E/W puzgrid symmetry with potato art. AGEGAP clue.
staff weeject pick: PCP. Stands for Potatoies Care Physician, of course. Nice stacks of weejects, in all the corners, btw.
@mathgent dude: Sorry about all them darn 3-letter words today -- the runtpuz below is for U.
Thanx for toyin with us, Mr. Grillo dude. Altho … Ms. Potato Head does say "Watch where you're puttin' yer day-um hand!"
Masked & Anonymo3Us
illustrated with 3 pics -- might wanna use the Down Home solvin option:
**gruntz**
I'm fine with circles and I enjoy grid art, but what put me off the theme was, well, Mr. POTATO HEAD, a toy I never liked...like, why? I hadn't expected that 70 years later I'd still be dealing with those annoying little pieces. But I exaggerate - I thought the puzzle was challenging, even understanding the theme and the circles, and that's always welcome on a Thursday. And I liked how ELATE was fighting a losing battle with DRAB, INERT, GOES NOWHERE, and COMATOSE.
DNF: SUsIE x UsI. No idea: TSAI. Help from previous puzzles: ARHAT. Help from living in a university town where film societies show foreign films: ADELE H. Avert-my-eyes cross: SEDIMENTS x POETRIES.
Horrific solve. As a heart surgeon, the redeeming answer was MITRE. More Catholic than British, it’s the name origin f the mitral valve, which, when viewed upside down can look like a Bishop’s hat. Just FYI.
I believe Thursdays are supposed to have some sort of trick. Something you have to figure out beyond answering the clues. Words make turns. Black squares stand for words. Something that. This just had circled letters that could have been anywhere (thus applying little thematic pressure to justify icky fill) and difficult clues that added nothing other than acting as speed bumps (see CANOES). And why was only one long across related to the theme? The circled letters could have been anywhere, so it's not like those entries were terribly constrained.
Never understood the theme, so I ignored it and somehow finished the puzzle without cheating once. Did a lot of guessing. When I changed "Susie" to SUZIE and the music started, I was amazed.
I agree with the majority that POETRIES isn't a word, and looks horrible in print. And why appeal to folks who obsess over questions of sexual identity by referring to Potato Head as no longer being Mr. Potato Head?
@Anonymous 7:33AM "TSAI" is not a Thai name: Taiwan is entirely unrelated to Thailand.
I interpreted 0-0-0 as the reset reading on a tachometer so wrote in tac. Anyone else? Anyone care?
What REX said about "poetries".
Also agree with 57D being a terrible clue. And 24A and 45A
Did not have his problem with the architecture given 59A telling us the parts are interchangeable.
I vaguely recall that what one did with a Mr. Potato Head was attach the parts in random, nonsensical ways.
Never actually had one. I was before their time.
Thankfully most of the crosses in the center came pretty easy or I would never have gotten Phil Ivey. There are World Series of Poker Bracelets? What, they're meant to out-bling a Super Bowl Ring or???
Quite enjoyed the puzzle
HOO boy, I made a few NSFW gestures toward the grid as I hit a few I'M DEAD and GOES NOWHERE DRAB spots in this one. At least Rex and the commentariat are in fine form but I do think that @PH 10:42 saying old people and old POTATOs both leak an awful-smelling fluid hit a little too close to home.
I play poker and know who PHIL IVEY is but was surprised to see him in the grid. Can't imagine many solvers have ever heard of him. Not surprised this is his first appearance in the NYTXW. At one time he was one of the top players in the world and had his own private jet to go to super high stakes games around the globe. He became embroiled in some cheating scandal and I'm not sure he even plays any more these days.
Clarification - You’re unfamiliar with Taiwanese names, not Thai (for Thailand) names.
More challenging than usual Thursday, but ultimately doable. Agree with Rex about toughness of getting into the brown ovoid. Thematic EYES and EARS helped convince me that POETRIES must be a thing.
I like the mixed up (Mr) Potato Head image the more I think about it. Interesting that it was originally pins to put in a real potato. Leave it to capitalism to turn creative fun into a piece of plastic junk. Looking at you also, Battleship. All you need is a piece of graph paper and select 8x8, or even draw it on a blank sheet, then color in your battleships.
I didn't know the movie, but ADELE is a common French name hinted by Truffaut, and H was given away in HEAD, so fair enough. I was worried it was going to be an ADoLpH biopic.
Figured the rapper would be projecting something dangerous, so UZI it was to cross SUZIE - Natick solved! BELLE also common French word hinted at by Isle and fairly crossed.
@Dave B. - a clue is not a definition and doesn't have to encompass every possible use of ALB, a Bishop wearing one is enough to get there.
@Aaron - click on the iTunes tab in Apple Music and you get to select from "All GENRES"
I thought the "letteral" clues (ELATE, AGEE) were a Will Shortz thing, but either these were banked and later finished, or they live on otherwise. Not a huge fan of those.
I know exactly what you’re going through. Sorta like a death in the family. Whenever I leave a place I do my own walk-through and say good-bye to each room as memories crop up and tears flow. It really works for me. Good luck, and best of luck in your new home!
It’s Joel these days.
I very proudly entered Pulitzer prize winner EGAN (as in Jennifer) instead of AGEE. And spent way too long convinced that it had to be correct based on the G crossing.
I must not be getting the puzzle fix out of the SB that I used to. I've done a number of the Thursday puzzles recently but this was the first one to be worth commenting on. There was a lot of griping today. Maybe puzzles like this should come with an NSFIS warning (Not Safe For Inexperienced Solvers.) I can relate to the gripes the white outer area had Saturday level resistance throughout and I saved the dead end looking middle for last.
The do or die moment for getting the congrats came down to the cross of the gambler and the medical initialism. CHILI VEY could be a kinda hybrid of John Travolta and Mel Brooks. I have no idea who PHIL IVEY is but I can recognize an actual name as well as the next person so in went the P for the congrats.
Today's meaning for PCP is obvious once you see it but like so much in this puzzle it went over my head.
TENON, ARHAT and BELLE are SB classics
I never read the clues for INFO or NSFW so some parts of this were easy.
yd -0. QB19
People yelled *like crazy* about how Shortz “ruined the crossword” when he took over in the mid90s. Some are still yelling. It’s fine to criticize the crossword (obviously) but ease up on the “Joel Is Bad” stuff. It’s ugly and dumb and above all impatient.
Mediumish. Did not know ADELEH and TSAI, SIGNAL BOX and CANOE were not obvious, OFF kilTER before CENTER…mediumish
I may be missing something but this was kinda stupid, or pretty much what @Rex said.
Had AD-L-H and was SO hoping it would be ADOLPH. Why should one bad POTATO ruin the whole sack? ZION earth should this be?
Aren’t Bruce/Caitlyn GENRES pretty much the same?
Shouldn’t PHILIVEY be clued Penn? (Like Harvard would be CAMBIVEY and my alma mater Brown be PROVIVEY?). Who still watches World of PokeHer in this enlightened MeToo era?
As discussed above, the whole mess would have been better as a POO theme. Would have served as a meta description as well. NSFW (Not Sufficient For Will)
“KENYA believe it? My awful chili made ____ to the loo (aka HEAD)” (EM DASH)
“That check I gave you, ARseHAT? Null OVOID, sucka!”
AGEGAP would be a nice chain of stores for Boomers like me who want cheap, inferior clothes that are at least age appropriate.
Now I’m going to go into Wayback Machine - the NYTXW archives - and try to find the fun Thursday puzzle sadly missing today.
Controversial puzzle today. A lot of PPP and one answer was actually PCP. A tough construction and tough solve and not a lot of fun involved, so mainly hard work if you didn’t know the proper names, including a non-weaponized clue for UZI. I’m wondering if it has been coincidence or focus that has led to less fun puzzles with Will Shortz MIA.
At 1 down, wanted BARBIE for the classic toy. If her body parts were all over the grid, some theme that would have been!
Meanwhile, mini theme of Bishop's clothing scattered around the grid.
Hands up for finishing with an error at SUSIE crossing USI. And for only knowing ARHAT because of Spelling Bee: 4 very common letters.
[Spelling Bee: yd 0; 3 straight, way to go puzzlehoarder!]
Uzi is fairly commonly seen in xws and more commonly seen in pop culture (gangster movies, video games, etc)
Totally with you there. I’ve had my finger on the trigger to unsubscribe for a year now and something in me says “they’ll get better… they’ll run out of the bad puzzles they’re clearing out from the backlog” and yet I continue to be disappointed. Alas, it is my own doing at this point.
Dom Grillo's little circle game -- clearly egged on by the current editors -- is UDDERly inappropriate as a puzzle. Joni Mitchell's song Circle Game is an appropriate use of circles. Take some singing lessons, eds. There may be an appropriate future career path for you. While on that path (which, appropriately, GOES NOWHERE, keep your EYES out for some DECENT POETRIES.
BYE.
@pabloinnh 8:36 AM
We're moving too. Just brutal. Best wishes.
The hand is where a foot would go. The nose and hat are ears. The two eyes fill the mouth holes.
I managed to finish the puzzle somehow without ever having a clue about the theme. Came here to find out what the theme was.
Poker WS winners get bracelets? Seriously? Who's in charge of that -- Taylor Swift?
I knew BELLE Isle Park because my son went to college in Ann Arbor and never came back (to NJ) -- lives in Bloomfield Hills now, near Motown. There is a commemorative brick in Belle Isle Park that was a wedding gift for him and his bride. If you're out there, look for it -- Sarah and Sam.
FH
SUZIE/UZI = Natick
Failure, for me. I've no idea about that movie, didn't know if Dustin was an actor or a role in it, so I just had to guess, and guessed SadIE crossinf UdI and BaM down. Never heard the phrase BUM DOWN, btw, only BUM out.
The name of the toy is now "Potato Head," but they still have characters named "Mr." and "Mrs." See this story.
I'm no historian, but a cursory search (i.e., Wikipedia) didn't turn up any confirmation for the claim that the CHINESE YUAN was ever pegged to the dollar. There may be some confusion because the Chines practice is to translate the names of all foreign currencies as "yuan" modified by the country--e.g., our dollar is the "American yuan." No doubt one of you experts will enlighten me.
I'll just chime in with those of us (maybe old folk) who know and love The Story of ADELE H. The film launched the long career of the great Isabelle Adjani -- she won every then-existing critics' award for best actress that year, and was nominated for an Oscar. It's not quite in Truffaut's Jules and Jim/The 400 Blows/Day for Night pantheon, but it's an excellent movie and shouldn't be labeled an obscurity.
Especially in a puzzle that somehow expects me to know who the hell PHILIVEY is.
Didn’t enjoy it for reasons above. Additionally the toy comes with ears, eyes, shoes, hat, nose, pants and a MOUTH … not a smile, which was very forced.
Agree - and the circle spacing/order of NOSE seemed lazy/wrong to me.
I doubt that the mods will post this, but here goes:
I thought the puzzle was brilliant. Yes, the center was sort of a world unto itself, but that's understandable given the theme. Brilliantly executed, and the large number of 3s, which normally I'm not a fan of, were just a casualty of the geometry. Maybe you had to grow up with Mr. Potato Head to be a fan of today's puzzle. I'm in awe of the intricacy of the construction, and the fill was pretty decent.
And to Rex, PCP is very commonly known as one's "Primary care provider," as many of us might have a nurse practitioner, or a PA, as the PCP.
This was one of the worst puzzles I've ever had the displeasure to attempt. I DNF, but for once I blame the constructor, who should find a new job/hobby. POETRIES? That answer alone should make you feel shame, Dominic. The level of obscure trivia today was just off the charts, and all in service of a terrible and uninteresting gimmick. Good grief.
@B$
"I doubt that the mods will post this, but here goes:"
Why?
@A Moderator 5:19
Over the past few weeks I submitted a number of comments that took issue with some of Rex's comments/opinions/politics/rants. And curiously those posts never appeared.
But today's perhaps more gentle post has made it up, so thank you for that. :)
I totally agree, they've been very naticky over the last few weeks
@B$ 4:50 PM
As long as you're talking about the puzzle, the moderators here are very tolerant. Most of the time they let stuff slide that's puzzle adjacent too! Why would you suspect your comment above would be unpublishable?
Clever observation! I totally missed that. But, now that I know that, I'm wondering what the "hand" is doing at the bottom of the potato.....
The genderless POTATO HEAD certainly has a generous moustache.
NSFW doesn’t mean “ Not Suitable For Work.” It means “ Not Safe For Work.”
I usually don't bother with Mondays-Wednesdays as they are too easy and Thursdays because they are gimmicky and dumb, leaving Fridays-Saturdays. And yes this Thursday puzzle is gimmicky and dumb. What I enjoy most are the Sunday acrostics. Maybe I should just get a book of them and abandon the NYT, which is getting worse every day.
Apparently I am one of the very few who really enjoyed the puzzle, the cleverness of the interchangeable parts, the brown, ovoid center, and beginning with potato and ending with head. Difficult, but son and I solved it together. Thought surely the usually grouchy Rex would appreciate this fun puzzle, only to find review and comments filled with negativity. To each their own.
I finished but oh what a slog! I agree with all the comments about the clueing of the fill and the placement of the body parts. Would have been much cuter if fill was better clued and the body parts actually resembled the parts ( I don’t see that they do except ear and smile) . IMHO points for a great idea but not as well executed as one would hope. Could the NYT editors work on the clues before publishing? Arhat, Phil Ivey, Adeleh all in one puzzle is simply not fun
Enjoyed your baseball themed comments on this Opening Day @SouthsideJohnny.
@panloinnh 8:36 AM. Moving is just so stressful!!!!! I’ve been doing it for months. After finally getting rid of an entire houseful of Stuff, trash, necessaries and oh so many memories, and cutting my possessions down to what will comfortably fit in a one bedroom apartment, and having the house cleaned, marketed, sold, and closed, and moving my few things from Oklahoma to California, and recycling the last box today, I am ready to arrange and decorate my place. But I still do not feel moved in. I wish you a problem-free move and much happiness in your new home.
@Nancy said it all.
just an HM not HRM but yes….
Brought back fond memories of Mr. POTATO HEAD and also of seeing ADELE H when it came out -- was a Truffaut film buff but I consider one of his minor films, and I remember being disappointed by it when I saw it in a theater in Cambridge... am I wrong to remember that it was done after a period away from the cinema; he'd taken a sabbatical for reading and ressourcement? I have even visited Truffaut's handsome tomb in the cimetière de Montmartre -- he died much too young. This nostalgia establishes my own AGE GAP no doubt.
On the whole I enjoyed the puzzle, and don't think it deserves so much dissatisfaction. I didn't find it all that ARCANE, and YES, all the INTERCHANGEABLE parts adhere to the OVOID form, what more can you expect? Figuring out both SUZIE and UZI proved possible to one solver who'd never heard of either person.
HOSTA was a reminder of my father's landscaping efforts.
MITRE and ALB together with CAMILLA gave the puzzle a Church of England feel.
Rex's comment about filling in "Pete" and calling it a day literally made me laugh out loud. Genius ;-)
Proper nouns. Foreign words. Obscure nonsense. The first real blemish of this week. The irony here: it's the least fun puzzle in weeks that is supposed to honor a toy that brings joy and whimsy.
My middle school daughter is an altar server, and church staff refer to her robe as an alb. That’s the only reason I knew the answer.
https://youtu.be/RqrpoAjfkAA?si=Pxy3NRlAl_b4rbqD
Ugh. We finally seem to be exiting the era of Game of Thrones trivia, and now we are entering the Stranger Things trivia era. Ugh ugh.
Bad. Bad. Not Good!
To paraphrase Descartes: 'I solved it...therefore I liked it". The obverse is equally true: 'I couldn't solve it...therefore I didn't like it".
We humans are so simple...
Parts is parts.
Hah! Got it!
I can see that lil ole tuber now...
Diana, LIW
Amen on all fronts.
I really enjoyed the puzzle. As far as I'm concerned, a Thursday puzzle is supposed to have arcane clues and answers in it. The only correct spelling for a bishop's hat, as far as I'm concerned, is MITRE. Miter is a carpentry term, such as a miter joint.
POETRIES ODE (HRH DID HOO?)
CAMILLA came from NOWHERE,
OFFCENTER yet not DEAD,
nor COMATOSE, she GOES there,
and NOSE her DECENT HEAD.
--- SUZIE GIBB
Incredibly horrible dreck. Nothing to enjoy in this mega turd. One million thumbs down on this Grillo junk...
It will always be Mr. POTATO HEAD to me. TIL IMDEAD. @spacey's all-timer SELA makes an appearance.
Wordle eagle!!! No. 40 in 633 tries.
I hate these puzzles with circles in the grid to spell out some word. They are of no value and do not provide any enjoyment at all.
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