15th-century headgear for a knight / THU 10-12-23 / One favoring imitation over innovation / Pre-euro currency of Finland / Baby eels / Captcha test affirmation / Sugar apple, by another name / 1974 John Wayne movie / Doc to consult when confused / Common aloe descriptor / She Bee Stingin athlete / NBA team with a 1980s Showtime era
Thursday, October 12, 2023
Constructor: John Nagamichi Cho
Relative difficulty: Medium to Medium-Challenging
Theme answers (Downs):
- CHR
OMOSOMES (21D: X and Y) - POP
PED APILL (22D: Dosed oneself) - "I'M N
OT A ROBOT" (12D: Captcha test affirmation) - PET
PASSPORT (13D: Document that may contain a microchip number and a veterinarian's signature)
Theme answers (Acrosses):
OPT FOR (36A: Choose)OPEN CALL (64A: Baby eels)- SWEETS
OP(19A: Sugar apple, by another name) - RAGT
OP(38A: Convertible)
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Got the theme early, no problem. Was irked by the onslaught of proper nouns in the NW corner, but once I got out of there and found the theme, I thought "Oh, OK, letters in the black squares ... interesting." Having grown up in California in the '70s and '80s, I know "OP" as Ocean Pacific (a clothing brand), so I actually didn't guess the revealer before I got there. Then, when I got there, I could think only of the phrase "covert ops" and so (briefly) struggled to come up with (the obvious) "BLACK." I didn't love POPPED *A* PILL, especially after I parsed it as POPPED PILLS (the better phrase) and filled it in accordingly. But overall, the theme stuff didn't give me much trouble, and I liked the theme answers and the way they were handled. Of course I forgot that the "OP"s were there late in the solve and so struggled with RAGT and SWEETS (the latter of which actually works just fine as an answer without the "OP," if you imagine that "Sugar apple" is a pet name!) (19A: Sugar apple, by another name). Totally startled to see the city in which I currently am show up in a clue and the county in which I currently am show up as a damn answer. If central NY ever gets mentioned, it's usually ELMIRA or maybe OWEGO or OTSEGO or one of those place names. UTICA, possibly. But today: BROOME County, hell yeah, what's up, everyone!? (15A: New York county that's home to Binghamton). How are you? Pleased to meet you! The leaves are turning and the Susquehanna rolls merrily along, thanks for asking.
What else? I thought Doris Day sang "Que Sera, Sera" and that "whatever WILL BE, WILL BE" (48D: Words repeated in the title of a Doris Day hit) was just part of the chorus, but no, the "whatever WILL BE, WILL BE" part does indeed appear in the "title" (in parentheses).
Hope you knew MCQ (33A: 1974 John Wayne movie) because that clue on FAQ was pretty hard (24D: Doc to consult when confused). Confusing, even (the "Doc" there is short for "document"). Not a huge fan of the cutesy attempt to cover for the puzzle's double ASS (63D: 27- or 55-Down backward). Not even a real clue, just a "whoopsie, duped an answer, aren't I silly!?" Again, if the grid has been torn down and more carefully refilled, we wouldn't need to be dealing with this kind of clean-up. Since this puzzle seems like it's a debut, gonna close by repeating my admiration for the theme. It is good. But ARMET alone should've set off the Weak Fill alarms, and, well, ARMET was not alone. See you next time.
Signed, Rex Parker, King of CrossWorld
Signed, Rex Parker, King of CrossWorld
P.S. one very good (and tough) "?" clue today at 29A: Ones doing some heavy lifting before retirement? (JACKS). So these are jacks for jacking up your car when you need to ... "retire" it (i.e. put new tires on it). So "retirement" = "tire replacement." Yes, groan, but a real groan, none of this weak half-groan stuff.
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120 comments:
I came here for the double ass / ass backwards cluing. That is all.
Hated it, for all the reasons Rex mentioned. Got the gimmick but didn’t care. DNF. Waste of time.
I always thought ARBY'S (5D) got its name from its signature Roast Beef sandwich. Live and learn, I guess. Not a lot of trouble with this one, for a Thursday. Totally agree with @Rex about some of the fill, especially METOOER. Huh?!?
I’ve only been doing the NYR crossword since 1981. This might be my least favorite.
It is real rare that I chose to not finish a puzzle,
like this NO fun ......
I felt like they did me a favor by stuffing LAILA ALI, IGA SWIATEK, LEROUX GASTON and the Messers RAFFEL all in that tiny 3x8 section coming right out at 1A. That definitely let me know that “Bro, this one ain’t for you” (and I hadn’t even gotten to the cryptic Thursday stuff yet). Stuck with it through the “random county somewhere” clue - which is one of my favorite forms of nonsensical clues (BROOME) to some awful cluing like JACKS and FAQ, along with even more PPP (MCQ, JCCREW, LIZ TRUSS, DONNA TART) . . .
Stumbled upon the semblance of a theme and its associated dark matter in the grid (stuff like MOS, EDA, CHR, IMN . . ) and came to the conclusion that my initial suspicion was on point. Without a doubt one of the top three stinkers of the year so far. It’s barely even deserving of being characterized as a “Crossword Puzzle”. Something like “gibberish-laden trivia quiz” might be more appropriate.
It was such a slog that I couldn’t even take the time to enjoy the ASS-trifecta. And btw - what is so “modern” about BAE - it seems like they have been bludgeoning us with it in CrossWorld forever.
What Rex said. It’s a great theme idea ruined by horrible fill and fill that was not only difficult but filled with Naticks
Following very very easy puzzles Mon-Wed, we get a real toughie today. BROOME and ARMET were both unknown, so I could have Naticked there, although R seemed most likely.
Very hard (but good) clues for FAQ and JACKS, right in the same area as unrecalled MCQ was another problem area.
MARKKA and LEROUX were unknowns, too. And RPI.
"The Goldfinch" may well be the worst book I have ever read.
I don't consider ASS and petpASSport a duplicate.
Yep, good theme with rough, rough fill. Somehow fitting that I was Naticked by RP’s current county of residence: B_OOME and A_MET felt like it was crying out for an L (almet sounds like a forerunner to helmet, no?).
If this one was just a "Medium-Challenging" then what does a "Challenging" Thursday look like? All I know is that this was my slowest Thursday in ages, and even when I figured out that I needed to add "OP" to some of my answers, it took me forever to figure out how to parse the down clues. And as Rex says, the ridiculously obscure fill didn't help as I searched for footholds in this grid.
Just the worst
What is the meaning of Jacks in 29A? Don't get it ...
Appalling. Shortz seriously needs to consider retirement.
For a while I resided in the midst of a perfect storm of stuckness, where if I could just fill in a certain square here or there, I knew it would break the whole puzzle open – but the gods weren’t letting it happen. Clues I couldn’t crack. Answers I didn’t know. Blindness because I didn’t have the wit to see something right in front of my eyes.
I think it was OPT FOR that let the light pour in, and all became clear. But I haven’t felt stuck like that for quite a while, where I was lost in a sea of “Huh?”, locked out.
Schooled by a master – in his debut!
It’s a terrific and clever theme, and those triple-11 stacks east and west are magnificent. That’s also a magnificent clue for JACKS – [One doing some heavy lifting before retirement?] – never been used before in any of the major crossword venues. My Libra sensibilities also like how SWEETSOP was balanced off by TARTT.
John, this was a wow debut, IMO, a show of skill and cleverness, and a capital-P Puzzle. Stick with this puzzle-making thing, will you please? And thank you for a glorious tussle!
Just added an explanation. “Retirement” means “tire replacement” 🧐🤪
“‘ELP ME WIT’ ME ALMET, ‘ENRY! IT’S SLID O’ER ME FACE!””
Hate to be a METOOER (!) but agree with Rex. This was chock full of the least known PPP with the theme showcasing America’s immoral meddling and dirty deeds creating this FUBAR world.
What’s not to love?
My slowest Thursday solve for years, the fill is genuinely appalling - was the draft version published by mistake?!
I agree with Prefab — seems like one of the most challenging puzzles in quite a while. Rex, why call it only “medium to medium-challenging”? Why?? Can you please remind us when you last called a puzzle “challenging”?
Thx, John; what a fine OPus! 😊
Very hard.
Dnfed with A(L)MET / B(L)OOME. Isn't this in the same area of the puz where N.C. Wyeth crossed Natick a few years back? @Rex may have missed that one, but for sure, not this one. lol
Arrived late to the theme party; an added challenge of working from the NW, across, and down.
Fave clue: re'tire'ment.
A fun adventure, a worthy battle, and some things learned today (hopefully)! 🤞
@Nancy (8:13 PM yd)
Ty for your ty yester eve! Glad you enjoyed the song; it's one of my faves. 😊
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Peace 🕊 🇺🇦 ~ Compassion ~ Tolerance ~ Kindness, Freudenfreude & a DAP to all 👊 🙏
REX is right on today....I AM NOT A ROBOT, either
For the first time, I did the exact same mistakes and fixes as Rex in the same order. Felt the twinge of inappropriateness at METOOER. Liked the theme, felt the fill was trying too hard, but loved the JACK clue once the crosses filled it in. 45 minutes of brain work staves off dementia.
Felt a sense of accomplishment when finished, so good on you John Cho!
The review is spot on today, Rex, except for one thing.
There is no medium in this rating.
This was beyond-Saturday level challenging because of the fill.
The theme: sure, I got it pretty early, back around RAGTOP. But the FILL? Oh dear god no. TARTT crossing MARKKA??????? ARMET/BROOME????? METOOER??!?!?!
MX-5 roadsters, e.g.? E.G.? No. The MX-5 is the Miata. They are the same thing. That's the model number of the Miata. There is no EG here. It's not "for example." Lose the EG. Miatas = MX-5 roadsters, period.
I have to assume that 57A (MIATAS) was originally clued as "38A, e.g." or something to reference RAGTOP. But it'd be a weak link, with one plural and the other singular, and not all Miatas are soft tops anyway.
Oh, and I spent many years in upstate NY (indeed, I went to RPI, and even did a stint at Syracuse) and I had no hope on BROOME. Like... none. I put BLOOME and shrugged.
I hope I never see ARMET, MCQ or ELVER ever again. I did not mind seeing Donna TARTT because, “A Secret History” is a great book.
My approach to this puzzle was all 63D (ass backwards) and I was going nowhere slow. DNF. Keep at it John Nagamichi Cho, I'll catch up with you some day.
The constructor seems to have a lot of potential. The puzzle though was the first one I disliked so much that I decided to end my long solving streak. I hope to see a polished product from him in the future which does not just seems to be at times just finding words that fit. With 1,000 new words entering the English language every year , it should not be so hard.
I am a METOOER when it comes to hating the fill, but if that leads to gems like “When the grid is on fire, you do not pour Pangram Gasoline on it”, I am here for it. Maybe Rex’s best sentence all year!
“Hi, I’m John Wayne, star of MCQ. When I take my RAGTOP MIATA out for a spin, I always use Pangram Gasoline.”
I often come here to see if Rex hated the puzzle as much as I did. Somehow, he hated today's even more than I did.
I finished it without cheating, then asked myself, "Why did I bother?" For once I agreed with Rex Parker, this was a waste of time, with some horrific cluing.
The clue for JACKS fits "Jocks" better. And FAQ isn't really a doc(ument), it's an online guide. Can't wait for Friday, when we get a real crossword puzzle to work on.
@kitshef - As a grad alum of RPI (Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute - now known only as Rensselaer) in Troy, NY, I was happy to see this in an otherwise SLOG of a puzzle. At RPI (the Engineers), a nerd is spelled KNURD - of course, drunk spelled backwards. And a favorite student body cheer at hockey games (at least in the late 60's) was "Charge, charge - voltage times capacitance".
You definitely need to adjust your scale, there is nothing remotely "medium" about this puzzle.
Fantastic Thursday trick - but so down with Rex on the overall fill. When you hear “he can’t mean that” in your head during the solve - things are awry. The entire center is brutal - ME TOOER can’t get any worse - although ARMET gives it a run.
A theme and gimmick as cool as this needed an adult in the room to fill.
Crossword darling ARLO
To anon at 7:38 - oooooooooh reTIREment! Thank you!
Have to agree with Rex on this one. I feel for the constructor; he should have gotten better guidance during editing. LAILAALI was the deal-breaker for me and that was 1A. The rest went downhill from there.
Looks like @Lewis, @ bocamp, and I are the only admirers of this one, at least so far. Oh well, life goes on.
Part of my seventh grade curriculum in Upstate NY involved being able to identify every county in NYS and put them on a map. Never know when stuff like that will come in handy. RPI another gimme.
Started by working down the East Coast, landed on BLACKOPS, and the game was afoot. The first revealer was RAGTOP and I had fun finding the others Some unknowns, of course, but LEROUX is a common enough French last name and if you've seen any Finnish words the spelling of MARKKA makes a certain amount of sense. Never remember Ms. TARTT's last name and it took a while for old friend ELVERS to show up. How ya been? Also liked piecing out the long downs, which I thought were delightful.
Congrats on the debut, JNC. Just No Chance for some folks, I guess, but I liked it a lot. Thanks for all the fun.
between LALAKERS and LAILA ALI I thought the theme was going to be LA related. Too awhile to crack this one. C’mon METOOER? that doesnt even make any sense and I do not think that “word” has ever been used out in the wild
HARD. At least until it wasn’t. Good themers and good gimmick, but I agree with Rex on the fill — too obscure, pop culture-y, and cutesy. But it shows a lot of promise and I enjoyed it (despite some bad groans, there were some good groans as well).
I love it when we get stupid trivia questions about places in NY, everyone knows everything about NY after all! Broome county hell yeah, where is that, I have no idea and it doesn't matter! And RPI, yeah, I've known literal not dozens of people who have never even mentioned that. Throw in some crappy Doris Day throwbacks, a random Tartt, and boy what a terrible puzzle this was. At least we had Liz Truss-ing it up, and that didn't hold it together at all, much like she with her 44 days of governance. Horrible fill.
DNF because of the MCq/FAq crossing. Otherwise enjoyed it more than Rex and found it a bit too easy for a Thursday.
This is what happens when you try too hard.
A serious lapse in judgement on Will's part.
Hey All !
Rex - METOOER on your write-up today. Not very often I agree with OFL, but IMAS gonna today.
Took a while to realize the Acrosses also needed to include the OPs. Once that happened, got slightly easier to suss out answers. Some of this fill is suspect, however, I'm sure many hear-tearing, brain cell sacrifices were made to get any semblance of fill of any sort. I'm actually thinking the Pangram was an accidental one. Things just worked out like that for the Three-Four-Five center pinwheel.
Also Rex, Argh! *Shaking my fist in the air* I had your County as BLOOME, probably because of the comic strip. I had a sneaky suspicion it might be BROOME, but an ALMET is as good as an ARMET to a blind bat. (Little Monty Python for ya there!) So a one-letter DNF. Trying to get a streak of correct puzs going, but at the end of a puz, good ole angstness sets in, and I stop caring! I just hit Reveal Puz, and curse my wrongness.
LAILAALI is quite the string of letters! JACKS took until reading Rex to figure out Re-tire-ment. Ya got me on that one! Interstice = GAP. "Mind the interstice" said the most proper Englishperson ever.
LE ROUX, har.
Two F's
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I've seen some bizarre puzzles in the WS era, but this one absolutely, positively, utterly takes the cake and whatever other pastries may be lying around on the kitchen table. Ten or so words I have never heard of; a dozen or so words close to or over the right/wrong line; a half-dozen or so clueless spaces. I cannot imagine for the life of me what caused WS or his designee(s) to let this shambles into the paper. Staggeringly bad.
Agree, too many lately.
Just for the record, there is only one RP, and he lives in BROOME county (apparently). Bloom county came to mind, but that is a comic strip. Great blog post today! Covered the puzzle fairly without holding back or looking unnecessarily mean. Plus the usual humor.
A puzzle with Maleskan glory that made me proud to finish!
FAQ much easier to come up with than MCQ - no way to intuit that one. Go ahead and memorize FAQ (frequently asked questions), along with its Reddit cousin AMA (ask me anything).
Absolutely great! OPS covered in black, BLACKOPS! Wonderful!
Add to that a sparkly, smart set of clues with a lot of crunch. Magnificent.
I expected a lot of negative comments. Rex, of course, because that's what he does. And the speed solvers because they lose time figuring out the gimmick.
I agree that a lot of the fill was sub-par, but I excused it on the basis of how difficult it must have been to construct. There were four eleven-letter answers that were constrained by the placement of O's and P's, then placed in triple 11-letter stacks.
My greatest uncertainty was in the NW. If Yma is a name, then can Yga be far behind? I avoided the temptation and got the IGA/LAILA cross. In the SE, I actually liked MARKKA - take a northern European currency, combine it with the Finnish penchant for double K's, and voila!
Like kitshef, I don't consider ASS as a duplicate. In one case, it was the middle of an eleven-letter answer that happened to have a couple of squares blacked out. If you were to complain about that, you'd have to also object to CHR, MOS, MES, EDA, and IMN as horrible fill.
This puzzle really had a terrific Thursday theme—great debut, JNC! Regarding the annoying at times fill: I thought the ASS duplication was handled well; the toughest clues were truly impressive; the Maleskan items were, well, Maleskan (not that there’s anything intrinsically wrong with that); METOOER managed to tweak a trope that seems ripe for tweaking without being truly offensive; and my pal Google made short work of most of the PPP, including the county in which Natick—er, Binghamton—is found.
(I still can’t understand the Google guilt that so many solvers burden themselves with. Especially now that I’ve become acquainted with the apparently widely used construction app Crossfire as a participant in the JASA x-word course—a great experience overall. The program effortlessly makes fill suggestions based on a huge database, including tons of stuff previously unknown to the human at the controls. As the human at the other end I feel perfectly entitled to use a little cyber power in my own behalf—and hey, I did figure out “retirement” on my own…)
Bottom line—I finished this in just over average Thursday time, despite spending a few minutes tracking down a typo at the end, and came away feeling quite satisfied.
Nobody complained about it as “horrible fill.” It’s a duplication.
Was fun to figure out the theme, and then just a slog through the rest of the grid. Lots of bad fill. RPS, MCQ, ME TOOER (?!), ME OR, WILL BE, MARKKA - yuck.
Didn't, at one point, Will Shortz get taken behind the wood-shed for a good thrashing about being insensitive to racial/gender/religious issues? Wasn't he kind of forced to hire a more diverse staff, and given a supervisor specifically to address those issues?
How then does ME TOO get clumped into "one favoring imitation..."? Hey, I want to be like all the cool girls and get raped!
Just horrible. I hope the designer will stOP making such awful fill decisions.
Rex mentioned that OP (Ocean Pacific) was a line of California clothing. But it was not ASHIP as JCREW.
I love the part of Phantom of the Opera where a cow lows pleasantly. In theater circles it’s known as the SOOTHING MOO from LEROUX.
Every time I start a NYT puzzle, I wonder, “Will WILLBE presenting something good to MEOR not?” Today, I’m with the tiny minority who liked it. Challenging? Yes. I like challenging puzzles. Thanks for this sweet debut, John Nagamichi Cho.
I usually come here after I complete the puzzle to enjoy Rex’s analysis and the witty comments, but today I came for permission to ditch this nightmare of a grid. Solving this puzzle reminded me of being on a date with a humorless pedant who keeps saying no one gets his sense of humor. The theme was promising, but after completing the NW corner I thought, “if this continues, I’m out.” This is the worst NYT crossword I can remember, and I’m a third generation daily puzzler. I really wonder how this slipped past Will’s editorial filter.
Errrrrm, METOOER takes this junky mess and raises it to a Tumblr-level celebration of the epically inane. Three self-reflective ASS-ish entries highlight the beauty of this gangling galumphing gaggle of gah. A rare example of ER err.
Lessee BROOME crossing ARMET and TARTT crossing MARKKA is normal trashy editing, but I think it's time to consider drowning constructors using counties as as answers. We should at least show them the river. Seems to be an endless supply of new crossword writerERS these days so we should be able to eliminate the weak ones.
In an era where grade inflating ensures everyone is a trophy-getterER, CPLUS is just above being a failureER.
IMAS is the generic, slightly smaller, but still pretty big knockoff of IMAX for the budget-minded movie goerER.
MEOR is the sound cats make in Boston. One making such a meow is known as a MEORER.
The Wikipedia page on frolicking includes an entire section on those who "lala," known in the industry as LALAKERS.
Elf procreators (with nice ASS endings) are ELVERS.
We call the cleaning crew here the LAST TO LEAVE-ERS so they feel more essential than janitorERS (which oddly are the most essential).
INKSAC is a defense mechanism for an octopus the way a warehouse in New Jersey is a defense mechanism for the United States government. All cephalopodERS know this.
I learned today a certain subset of PanamaERS are BLAS-ERS.
RPS and MCQ are a level of rude begging M&A to become a weeject weejecterER. FAO crossing FAQ will help him reject weeject weejectERing.
I love it when LAILA ALI appears in puzzles. It's a beautiful name and such a crazy collection of letters. Mom and dad deserve awards for great baby naming.
I love I'M NOT A ROBOT lined up next to PET PASSPORT, just wish it were in a smarterER puzzle.
Uniclues:
1 Adopt the unhoused neighbor zeitgeist.
2 Shooshes in Shanghai.
3 Make love.
4 Elon took his medicine.
5 The taint on your soul as you eat "the meats."
6 Finances funding Finnish reflexology.
1 OPT FOR RAG TOP
2 SLEDS EAST ASIA
3 LAY CHROMOSOMES
4 APE POPPED A PILL
5 ARBY'S MOO SCARS
6 SOOTHING MARKKA
My Fascinating Crossword Uniclue Keepsake from Last Year: Getting on with life even though you forgot a belt. LOW RIDER FORAYS.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Lol! Brilliant!
Well, to be contrary, I’ll say I enjoyed it. Figuring out the trick was fun and despite the fact that there was a lot of PPP The crosses were gettable. I guess OFL was so piqued by the puzzle that he couldn’t bother to get the theme answers properly referenced. Baby eels are elvers and the clue for OPENCALL is 54 across - unrestricted audition.
First Natick in quite a while at 9d/15a collision. Guessing wrong for BlOOME county (probably an echo from looking last night at Gary Larsen’s new and dark adult book) even knowing that spelling was wrong. Wonder if others were flummoxed at that spot. Enjoyed the BLACK OPS a whole lot more than Rex, though METOOER raised an eyebrow and my hackles. Bravo John, I want more.
Wow! This was tough! Guessed on intersection between BROOME and ARMET, but was really a Natick for me as it could have been
L instead of R. Felt like Friday/Saturday. Difficult fill for me.
The fill is horrendous, much of the clueage is ridiculous ("Scholar's mug collection?") and the revealer clue is simply wrong. There are "covert" OPs in only four answers. Two answers have "covert" OOs and two have "covert" PPs.
A mess. A puzzle to inspire many OYs. Such a puzzle demands a link to a song you never wanted to hear again, ever. So, here is the Poppy Family singing their one hit, written by Terry Jacks, with Susan Jacks on vocal.
p.s. @kitshef – I generally agree with you about "The Goldfinch".
Tough for me too. I tend to ignore the parts of clues that refer to other clues, so I didn’t read the entire reveal clue until after I’d finished. The result was a big post solve “now it get it”. I’m with @Rex on this one, clever but very sloggy and not well filled.
Rex, please explain your comment about the J, Q, Z pangram in the middle. I don’t see it.
My least favorite day of the week didn't disappoint. The agita slowly creeped up and was merrily joined by angst and dyspepsia. All mingled into one big thud.
I will start with uttering how much I dislike riddles. See where this is going?
I'm not too familiar with New York other than the City and I only know Binghamton because of @Rex I left BROOME for others to enjoy.
My punishment meter only goes so far before I call in Uncle. But I got curious. I was already settled in in my favorite chair and poured myself a little Pinot, so why not see what you can do. Glutton.
MEETOOER almost made me want to go to bed. I persisted. At least let me figure out the theme. I did eventually.... It might've been around the ASS area of PET. Or maybe it was the IM NOT A ROBOT. A little smile emerged.
My puzzle was surrounded by a sea of white nonsense but I think I managed to understand the theme. Did I? Yes, it would seem so.
I pretty much left most of this blank. I didn't want to fight with nonsense. I read @Rex. I agreed with him.
I also agree with @Lewis because he always makes me smile. A little clean up on aisle METOOER next to the FAQ MCQ MEOR canned fruit. There's also a big spill on TARTT MARKKA. I might buy a tin of ELVERS because they're on sale.
BRR.
I had things to do this a.m. that did not leave me with 5 hours free to cope with this bear. When I abandoned it earlier, I had no idea what on earth was going on. It's a drop-dead gorgeous day, so I'll take it with me to Central Park -- something I normally don't do -- and see if it continues to drive me crazy or if the scales will fall from my eyes. If they do, you'll be the first to know -- much later, of course. Obviously I haven't read any of the comments yet.
Ditto
Yep
I don’t see @Nancy yet so she must have left this one crumpled at the bottom of the wall. Which is where it belongs.
Rarely do I get so frustrated with a puzzle that I give up but I did today. Just couldn’t waste another second of my life on it. I got the theme and the whole black square thing but as everyone else has said, it was the fill that drove me to distraction, especially those blank clues on the downs. And trivia galore, starting with 1A. Night. Mare.
As an ongoing reminder, WS doesn't actually edit the puzzles. He's an executive editor, or more plainly these days, a celebrity editor.
The system is probably thus:
1 Slush pile editor (5th grade boy) selects from way more entries than they need. He picks ass-forward puzzles.
2 He distributes those to a handful of editors with Ivy league Master's degrees who are paid gig-wages for editing these in the evening after their real job, and they're happy for it because the money is okay and their resumés now say New York Times. They're mediocre as a group, and here we are with today's puzzle.
3 After editing, the ones they've purchased go to fact checking and legal to make sure they're Ron DeSantis Florida approved. There's probably somebody in legal with a spreadsheet tracking male vs. female names and ethnically diverse sounding last names. The Times has a checkered past on these issues.
4 Finally, Will's administrative assistant puts seven puzzles in a manilla folder on his desk and on Tuesday afternoon he spends a couple hours doing the week's worth. If he vetoes any of them, there's a folder of backups, and that's why sometimes it feels like a puzzle is on the wrong day.
Will isn't the editor. He's responsible for not vetoing bad puzzles, but it all goes back to our favorite 5th grader who makes the first selections and let's face it, this constructor got the memo and dropped a three ASS puzzle. Boom.
As a cynical side note, when many of us "marvel" at the construction, it's important to remember the software does the grid for you. It's hardly a marvel. The skill is in taking the robot-generated crap out and writing good clues.
This was the only laugh out of this one!!
I had things to do this a.m. that did not leave me with 5 hours free to cope with this bear. When I abandoned it earlier, I had no idea what on earth was going on. It's a drop-dead gorgeous day, so I'll take it with me to Central Park -- something I normally don't do -- and see if it continues to drive me crazy or if the scales will fall from my eyes. If they do, you'll be the first to know -- much later, of course. Obviously I haven't read any of the comments yet.
RPS? Really? No such thing, nope
Sorry. I loved, loved "The Goldfinch." And I really appreciated the struggle I had with this puzzle. Very satisfied to finally solve it and see Rex rate it medium-challenging.
Well, today I have now words. Looking at the comments so far I’ll just say “ditto” to what @jae said because I really do not to like to actively dislike a puzzle but this came close. I’ll blame it on the fact I currently have a cold (logy perhaps?) and call it a day. I guess I learned a few things from the puzzle today. For one, I was stunned there was EVER a John Wayne MCQ film but in 1974 I was a college freshman and wouldn’t have touched a JW movie with a 10 ft pole.
@mathgent, I care not about speed, and like to suss out gimmicks, but the only thing in puzzle that made me smile was knowing that @Rex lives in Binghamton. I wonder if I’ll remember it’s in BROOME County?
@kitshef…yes, The Goldfinch. I loved The Secret History so slogged through the audiobook when I was still working full-time and commuting an hour and a half a day. I remember doing numerous internal eyerolls during the “read” and being p.o.ed at the end. Likely I was p.o.ed that I listened to the book cuz it seems like it was at least 22 hours.
I didn't much like ARMET -- though we have seen it before, if memory serves -- but I did enjoy the challenge of this puzzle. I thought I was stuck, but then it came to me that DOC could be a document, and there it was. That is, I had all the squares filled in with the correct letters, though I had not interpreted TFOR or RAGT correctly.
BLAS isn't so bad, at least you know it has to be the name of a saint, which narrows it down. And Donna TARTT was a big name, even though I've never read her.
Disappointing to put in LIZ Truss without the head of lettuce, though.
A couple of weeks ago Seth Godin asserted that robots now do better on the Captcha tests than human beings do; an example of how inertia makes things worse.
No fun if I have to work quite this hard. I'm going straight to Wordle to keep my streak 🤞
Boo! Hiss!
I see not too many of yous were WOWED by this one.
I has AS_ _ _ in place for 9A "I have one bow but no arrows. What am I?" I confidently dropped in ASCOT and thought what a clever boy I am. Wrong, buffalo breath! It's A SHIP. Another gratuitous definite article. That made it PEOR, not MEOR.
For 64A "Baby eels", I wanted EELETS.
So FAO, LAO and ORT walk into a bar and order the HOUSE special, an INKSAC with SWEETSOP on the rocks...
I loved it also!
@Every Woman (10:06) Yes, I agree that ME TOOER triggered a very strong aversion when I first saw it. While I feel certain there was no intent to vilify any individual or group, I still felt the way it was clued left a subtle suggestion that there might be.
@Gary J (10:24) LOLLOLLOL! I howled with laughter all the way through your post - from “gangling galumphing gaggle of gah” to “weeject weejectoring.” I think MEOR/MEORER was my favorite part. Thanks for the entertainment. It was worth the price of admission and I really needed the distraction today.
@Joe D (11:23) I couldn’t quite put my finger on what I found so frustrating about this puzzle but you spelled it out perfectly. It was the fact that half of those hidden OPS were actually hidden O’s and P’s. Then the revealer specifically indicates that OPS (covert missions) is hidden eight times, not four.
Thank you Rex! I have never wanted you to eviscerate a puzzle more. And thanks for doing it in a nice manner considering it's a debut. How did this ever pass the editorial sniff test in this day and age?
I'm only back to 2016/17 in the archives. But, man, I'm imagining I'll have to get to the 70's before I find one with fill this bad (ie I most likely won't be able to).
You mentioned just about everything I wanted to be an ASS about without being an ASS yourself (hey here's SSA backwards, I know I broke the rules in this already terribly filled puzzle, don't write!) so I won't rant (much) more.
BROOME is a terrible answer for anyone outside upstate New York, but good to know you are there. Maybe that piece of trivia will stick now... and be useless for the rest of my life, xword solving and beyond!
Like many others, I quite enjoyed the theme and hated pretty much everything eise. That cluster***k of names in the upper left put me in a bad mood right away. Five downs in a row crossing good ol' Laila! And it didn't get better: IGA LEROUX AMOS LAO LAILAALI BROOME MCQ JCREW ODOM BLAS MARKKA TARTT.
[Spelling Bee: Thu -3; don't know why it was so tough. Haven't looked up what I missed yet.]
Amen, Amen, Nema!
Theme was genius -- too bad the fill didn't work out. I had SALET for ARMET, also a 15th-century helmet (formerly the best starting word in Wordle, replaced by TARSE).
Lol, loved "as a cynical side note." What tone was I supposed to be reading the rest of the post in? 😂
I think you mean tire replacement 😑😆
🤣🤣🤣
Agree strongly with the man from BROOME today. I attempted to fill the acrosses, stumbling right away with Ms. ALI (LAYLA or LAILA?). Then I got A SHIP (hating it), blanked on 14A, then got BROOME right away, thinking, "Rex is going to feel right at home here."
Remembering today is Thursday, I then went straight for the revealer. Solved the surrounding LA LAKERS and EAST ASIA right off. BLACK came only after first getting OPS. That led me to quickly fill all the theme answers. I "finished" by leaving 3 squares blank. Your guess as to which 3 is as good as mine as to I, Q and A.
har. A lot of potential in this rodeo for comment:
*Pangrammer. The puz didn't seem to do anything real desperate, to score the J-Q-X-Z bunch. Maybe MARKKA/TARTT mighta been a bit K-desperate, I guess. Especially since JACKS had already handled it.
* Anybody happen to notice? ... this was a really tough solvequest. M&A was sucked into thinkin rebus squares, before finally latchin on to the black-outs. Also some feisty no-knows: IGA. LEROUX. BROOME/ARMET. MARKKA/TARTT. BLAS.
* Ooodles of weeject gems: ASS, ASS, SSA. RPS. LAO, which had two different clues … the one in my puz copy and the one given on xwordinfo. honrable mention to OP, of course.
* Some witty clues, including the best of the bunch: {Ones doing heavy lifting before retirement?} = JACKS. As honored in @RP's write-up. ALA clue also primo, btw.
Thanx for the ACHALLENGE, Mr. Cho dude. Heckuva debut. Congratz.
Masked & Anonymo2Us
**gruntz**
As a math guy myself I disagree with mathgent. Black spaces do not contain letters. An "axiom" if there is one in puzzling.
Just wanted to say I always scroll down to see your comment, for a taste of positivity. There is something to appreciate in even the gnarliest puzzles, and extra admiration to be had for the devilish ones like today’s.
Today I’m here for the hate. Thank you for delivering it
I agree with what a number of others have said. I enjoy a good challenge. This was not it. It was singularly unenjoyable. I cannot remember the last time I gave up with so many blocks empty. I did get the theme but just too many clues that I just could not fill with the answer.
A really ugly grid. Once I realized you had to put letters WHERE LETTERS DON’T GO I was done.
Heard to understand why this was published. As others said, a complete waste of time.
Note to editors and constructors..crosswords aren’t for proving how “smart” YOU are.
Back from the park and the tennis courts where the schmoozing was good, the matches were fun to watch, and very little time was left in which to attack the puzzle.
But just enough time to realize that the puzzle was completely unsolvable -- at least not by me.
I had -L---OPS, finally, but with no idea what kind of OPS we were talking about. It was no help at all -- and certainly not with all those unclued answers. Has there ever been a crossword with more unclued answers?
The non-themers seemed as perplexing as the themers, and maybe more so. Even worse, I had no idea which were which.
Skimming through the comments quickly-- it's late, I haven't bathed or eaten--I see a lot of hate for this puzzle -- and I applaud it. The puzzle really doesn't work at all, does it?
I really can't say that I've really ever hated a puzzle before but... this one left me maybe a little irrationally unpleased. For all the reasons.
Truly naticked at ARMET and BROOME. Sorry. Not up on my 15th-century armory nor upstate New York counties. Oh well.
TARTT? ELVERS? MARKKA? Seriously?
Maybe if it was Jamie TARTT from Ted Lasso. Didn't read The Goldfinch, which I'm sure is a great book. But still.
Y'all knew this was gonna be tough when we opened with LAILAALI. That's some freaking prime-time crosswordese name play right there. Oof.
+1 :(
@bocamp ... re NATICK crossing NCWYETH ... nope ... I just checked and believe it or not, BEQ had that at the 1-Across/1-Down cross in a Sunday grid. I can't believe it's been more than 15 years (7/6/2008)! Thanks to Rex's coinage, that cross lives in infamy in CrossWorld.
Totally agree. Worst puzzle ever
2004 for me. Same.
I was going to give up on this one/give up my streak because it was so unpleasant and it infuriated me, but then I thought... no. I'm not letting this atrocious excuse for an NYT crossword be the reason I end my streak. Copied the last few answers from Rex and am going to righteously move on with my life.
I don’t totally agree as I happened to like the gimmick But although I avoided a dnf , that NW corner IS ridiculous. One across crossed by 4 names IN A ROW. One a rare Slavic name Iga (?!). Now is it Layla or Laila. I chose i but I think it’s at least close to level of N. C. Wyeth crossing Natick. I think a lot of people bailed on this one.
Hated the goldfinch sooooo muccchhhhhh
I gave up and hit the show all answers button, ending my 500+ day streak. Oh well.
@Conrad 6:09 AM - it’s both. They just worked it into a pun.
After a long, slow start of staring at a blank grid, it feels good that I ended up getting the most obscure answers on crosses without too much pain in the end. So the obscure fill itself didn’t really bother me too much. …just didn’t make it any less dull to solve, though. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@ Anonymous 5:07 PM Putting letters where letters don’t go is fine—nothing new to NYTX, and not uncommon. It’s just usually a conceit that’s balanced with a relatively grokkable theme/revealer once you see it (check) and/or some quality fill to help you get there (hmm…)
Surprised no one mentioned the gaff at (31-Across): You can't have words that are part of the answer in the clue!
"____ ready AS I'll ever be" cannot be used to clue "I'm as."
Same
I agree
For me: as Yogi Berra (RIP) might have said, "it was so hard it was medium". Went through grid quickly (because I got so few answers first time through) and hit the revealer early which helped immensely After that it was challenging but doable and somewhat enjoyable
To quote John Lovitz in the animated TV series the critic "It Stinks!"
::nods::
Same I gave up when I realized ‘metooer’ was in fact an answer. Ugh
What a slog. Took me forever to figure out the gimmick, but still had upper left corner minefield. Put AGA Swiatek, and GEROUX. Never heard of “She Bee Stinging”.
I agree with all of the above! First time in my life that I chose to not finish a puzzle!
This may be a debut, but it’s still a really bad puzzle and never should have made it to print. Where is the editor?
Oh joy! A new take on our old enemy, the rebus. (guess how I feel about that)
But with a bit of an advance look I did manage to finish it off.
Diana, NOTAMETOOER Lady
DNF again today; just too much stuff I didn't know. But: Wordle birdie. So it's not my flagging brain.
In the group that didn't like it much. 30 - count 'em - 30 threes!! Ridiculous. And the ARMET/BROOME cross a real Natick; figured R or L and guessed right.
SLAP the ALPS after a few LAPS in the corners, PALS.
Wordle birdie, may match @spacey's mark yet.
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