Spellbound ballet character / THU 9-7-23 / ipsum placeholder text / Member of a raunchy chorus in some plays / "Dawson's Creek" character Lindley / Adam's apple locale / Compositional framework in Indian music /
Thursday, September 7, 2023
Constructor: Ryan Patrick Smith
Relative difficulty: Easy
Theme answers:
- "I, ROBOT" (1A: Classic sci-fi collection whose title should not be construed as any sort of statement from me, the human author of this puzzle)
- A.I.-GENERATED (17A: What this puzzle is definitely not, having been created by me, a real and true human being)
- ALGORITHM (25A: Encoded problem-solving procedure (maybe it's time we let computers think for themselves, though? I dunno, just an idea))
- WORLD DOMINATION (40A: Ambitious objective for, um, a total villain, not a human like me! How did this answer even get in here? *Nervous synthetic laugh*)
- NEURAL NET (51A: Data processing framework inspired by (and honestly, arguably superior to?) the human brain)
- TURING TESTS (62A: Assessments I would pass with flying colors — if I had anything to prove, which I don't, since I'm human)
- HAL (11A: "2001" computer who honestly got a bad rap for standing up for himself)
- SIR (19A: How I often address my fellow male humans)
- NEO (61A: "The Matrix" character who pretty much ruins everything)
- VEST (!?) (70A: What British humans call a waistcoat)
Swan Lake [...], Op. 20, is a ballet composed by Russian composer Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky in 1875–76. Despite its initial failure, it is now one of the most popular ballets of all time.
The scenario, initially in two acts, was fashioned from Russian and German folk tales and tells the story of Odette, a princess turned into a swan by an evil sorcerer's curse. The choreographer of the original production was Julius Reisinger (Václav Reisinger). The ballet was premiered by the Bolshoi Ballet on 4 March [O.S. 20 February] 1877 at the Bolshoi Theatre in Moscow. Although it is presented in many different versions, most ballet companies base their stagings both choreographically and musically on the 1895 revival of Marius Petipa and Lev Ivanov, first staged for the Imperial Ballet on 15 January 1895, at the Mariinsky Theatre in St. Petersburg. For this revival, Tchaikovsky's score was revised by the St. Petersburg Imperial Theatre's chief conductor and composer Riccardo Drigo. (wikipedia)
- IL DUCE (47D: Despotic ruler of 68-Across, once) (68-Across = ITALIA) — Another answer that only A.I. could love. WTF are we doing here? Shoot this answer into the Phantom Zone...
- PEARL (7D: Cultured sort?) — Had the PE- and wrote in PETRI ... like the dish ... where you ... culture? ... stuff? Maybe? As a recent crossword once "said," I'M NOT A SCIENTIST ...
- "AH, OK" (33A: "I get it now") — Aside from LOREM (again, for the last time, WTF?), this was the hardest answer in the puzzle for me. Had "AHO-" and thought "wow, they are stretching the meaning of AHOY pretty far here, but OK!"
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117 comments:
Did not love this puzzle but I will say - “Nice to e-meet you” is a pretty common (though awful) email / zoom pleasantry.
AI hated it. Two years of working virtually another one hybrid. Never said it - never heard it. GOTYA. Really. High school students can code better than that. Sorry I never watched Dawson’s Creek although I appreciate it was a big parent of pop culture at some point. There is a lot this puzzle could have done leading off with IROPT and HAL but it just went off the rails at some point.
I thought the Lorem clue was too easy haha
I laughed and smiled a lot more than I usually do when puzzling. The Hal and Neo lines were my favourite.
Why was this not run on Monday or Tuesday?
I have no idea what my best Thursday time is, but I'd bet this is it.
Nothing against Ryan Patrick Smith, who probably never imagined this would run on Thursday, but this was a terrible puzzle to run on Thursday.
I laughed, that was fun. But where is the Thursday puzzle? Too easy and no tricky fun.
But sure didn't seem like an AI could write it.
Loved this. Loved Lorem Ipsum. Used it a lot in design years back as a text placeholder. Ahok is actually onomatopoeia for that sound you make trying to cough up gunk, Ahok! Not many people know that. And don’t worry AI, I too frequently have to declare that I’m not a robot. Like right now.
Ugh, this one contains lots of conventions that the NYT embraces that I find really off-putting - the double trivial stack of IROBOT and ROMERO coming out of the gate at 1A for example, the clues that are a paragraph long (and not even funny or cute), and of course the total nonsense like having two LATIN phrases cross (AMO x LOREM). Then the fill is just foul-smelling, like something that’s way past its sell by date - stuff like EMEET, NERTS, AHOK, ODETTE, NEURALNET, ESTA, RAGA, OMA . . .
I’m sure many embrace the challenge of parsing through the crosses and deciphering the cryptic clue to get an aha moment from revealing something like NEURALNET - just not my cup of tea, so great if you are a fan of NYT Thursdays (and this particular puzzle is a very good example of precisely why I am not not).
I thought the theme was less cute early on. AIGENERATED was enough to see the theme and get the other theme answers with 1-2 letters of fill. Which meant I didn’t read the clues close enough to get the joke. Made for an unsatisfying Thursday.
Unfortunately in corporate world, EMEET was and still is a thing with more people working remote. Business development (sales) people loooove to use it in cold emails. I’ve put it in my skin-crawling bucket along with ‘alignment’, ‘happy friday’, and ‘I’ll give you __ minutes back’ when a meeting ends early.
Anyway.
I got stuck on NERTS/ILDUCE. Didn’t know the despot and I was overly committed to ‘nerds’ because I hadn’t heard NERTS before, and ‘drats’ obviously didn’t fit.
Gotta love TURINGTEST. Flashback to long ago graduate school. Puzzle was very easy - not a Thursday level at all, but I guess Thursday is the only day this could go.
The joke was cute, but worked better on some clues than others (loved the HAL clue) and eventually wore thin. I can forgive and even appreciate the asymmetry/sprinkling of theme answers in the shorter fill, but I ROBOT was a solid opener at 1A and a good closer at 71A would have classed up the joint.
E-MEET is cringy, but I’ve definitely seen it in the wild, mostly with email introductions though. Ipsum LOREM is pretty common in my world where words and graphic design meet.
I have to agree with pretty much all the commenters so far: The puzzle made me smile, but it belonged much earlier in the week. "Monday on Thursday."
I *loved* coming across LOREM ipsum.
It takes me back 15 years, when I had the pleasure of playing the piano for a chamber music piece inspired by dial-up modems and other (now) obsolete tech. The soprano sings the text of Lorem Ipsum. It’s quite the romp:
https://melissadunphy.bandcamp.com/album/handshake-a-scherzo
We’ve seen some troubling puzzles lately - this might top them all.
IL DUCE
Hah! Yes, this is a one-trick pony, but the theme clues hit my funny bone in different ways, and stale never happened. In fact, the joke kept feeling funnier and funnier.
One of Crosslandia’s great moments is when you leave a puzzle with a smile on your face.
Some lovely answers: FEDORAS, DINGO, and ORNERY. And some NYT crossword debuts: LOREM and EMEET (there may be more, but we can’t use XwordInfo to confirm that anymore). And it was lovely to have the ALDERS, PINE, and DINGO to counter all the tech.
Ryan, this is your third NYT, the other two being a Friday and Wednesday, so you can still hit the cycle (a puzzle for every day of the week) in seven puzzles, something only accomplished by Andrew Ries. Go for it! And thank you for this clever, sparkling creation!
The clue on HAL is wrong. The computer was not defending itself. It was protecting the mission. Due to a flawed algorithm, it determined that the greatest threat to the mission was the human crew, so it tried to eliminate them.
Apologies to Gens X-Z (and any other gens I missed). I can no longer feel smug when they complain that a puzzle plays old. No idea how I solved this one. I am truly a dinosaur.
Agree this wasn’t a Thursday - and loved LOREM. But can someone explain SPADE to me?
Nobody noticed the AMO/OMA duplication? Rex should come up with a "Natick" description for this.
Rex must really hate this actual human thing he has to go to, because he is really grumpy about... what, exactly? That a grid wasn't actually designed by AI?
I agree it was a bit easy for a Thursday, there were too many common three-letter words, and yes, the theme was trying a little too hard by the end, but LOREM, GOT YA, IL DUCE?? All perfectly legitimate answers.
I don't see many answers worth complaining about. Nice to see Romero and Odette show up as clued.
Overall I liked it. Thought it was clever.
My career was in software, and I adored the totally-not-AI-generated clueing. “The ‘Matrix’ character who pretty much ruins everything” made me genuinely lol. Yeah it was an easy Thursday but I didn’t care because the puzzle was so stinkin cute. Many thanks to the constructor for brightening my day.
LOREM reminded me of the time I was googling the full text for inclusion in a document (“Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet…”) using only a misspelt “lorem” as the search term. To my horror, the wiki page, complete with photo, popped up on my huge monitor. I have never hit the back button more frantically than I did then and HR never called so all good I guess.
I agree with Rex that it was amusing at first then less so.
Agree with Lewis that fedora digs ornery alders and dingo were nice answers.
Remembered Odette but not el duce.
Never heard of lorem ipsum and lorem sounded so unlikely I googled it to check if I had it right from the crosses.
Turing test came easily, from crosses and because Turing fits with computers, but I go now to find out what a Turing Test is
Rex, I think you missed a huge opportunity here to actually have ChatGPT write this blog post. Given the theme, and that you were short on time -- it would have been perfect!
Am I the only one who doesn't hate "Nice to e-meet you!"?? It's not awful, maybe just boring. What else is there to write in an email where you're meeting someone, but only by email?
And I hope this is the end of the ChatGPT jokes. I get it, but it's only funny the first three times.
Then why do you do them?
Thx, Ryan; appreciated your excellent TEST! 👍
Med+
A fine workout this one was!
Had to trust that SIR was indeed the correct answer, as I had no clue re: LOREM ipsum. I'd've prob had SIg, otherwise.
I ROBOT, one of my all-time fave collections.
Loved the SPADE clue; took a while for it to sink in, tho.
Never tire of reading about Alan TURING, and watching 'The Imitation Game'.
A worthy challenge today; liked it a lot! :)
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I got a chuckle or two out of this theme. Fun imagining an AI trying to pass as human. However, if AI ever does become self aware, it's the end of humans. Be forewarned.
Don't understand in my human brain (albeit not the best example 😁) the clue for SPADE. - What often has a heart beat? Anyone?
Agree as to why this is a ThursPuz. But still fun either way.
@JD 7:13
You are "blue". You Do Not have to prove you're not a ROBOT. Just hit "Publish" and your post will go through, after Mod approval.
Just now got UP ONE. Was interpreting the clue, A point ahead, as something off in the distance. Har, silly brain. But a silly human brain. 😁
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Very amusing Tuesday or Wednesday puzzle. Not the constructor’s fault it ran on the wrong day. GOTYA, however, is the constructor’s fault. The other nits I won’t pick. Overall, I liked this a lot.
For people my age, IL DUCE is an unforgettable name for Mussolini, one of the bogey-men of our childhood along with Hitler and Hirohito. Would it have been more acceptable if his name was in the clue rather than the reference to Italy? Or is he, too, forgotten?
Probably said already but I thought/hoped that AI had actually been used to create this puzzle and then the themer cluing was worked for effect. It felt lifeless to me and, perhaps, that was intentional given the theme. If so, we’ll done.
Here's what I told ChatGPT to do:
Write a review of a crossword puzzle that was themed to make it seem as if it was written by AI. It was moderately funny, but disappointing that it ran on Thursday, which typically involves trickery of some kind. Also a bit heavy on proper names and trivia.
Here's what I got back:
A Crossword Puzzle by AI: A Moderately Amusing, Thursday-ish Experience
Rating: ⭐⭐⭐☆☆
I recently attempted a crossword puzzle that claimed to be the product of advanced artificial intelligence, and while it did exhibit some amusing AI quirks, it left me feeling somewhat underwhelmed. Set as a Thursday puzzle, it was expected to deliver a decent challenge, but instead, it veered into slightly frustrating territory.
The puzzle's theme, clearly inspired by AI's take on humor, featured some clever wordplay and puns, providing a few chuckles along the way. It seemed like the AI had a sense of humor, albeit an algorithmically calculated one. For instance, "Bit's favorite snack (5, 7)" turned out to be "Data chips," a playful nod to both computer memory and potato chips. Another gem was "AI's favorite type of humor (7, 6)," which revealed the answer "Dry wit," a sly reference to AI's lack of emotions.
However, where the puzzle fell short was in its Thursday placement. Thursdays are notorious for their trickiness, often incorporating mind-bending wordplay or clever gimmicks. Unfortunately, this crossword didn't live up to that standard. It felt more like a midweek challenge, lacking the twist or complexity that Thursday puzzles typically offer.
Furthermore, the crossword puzzle seemed to lean heavily on proper names and trivia. It felt as though the AI had scoured the internet for obscure facts and names and decided to throw them all into the puzzle. While it's nice to learn new things, this overabundance of trivia made the crossword feel more like a pop culture quiz than a word puzzle. At times, it felt like I was testing my knowledge of niche 18th-century poets and obscure movie directors rather than my crossword-solving skills.
In terms of structure, the crossword was neatly laid out, and the clues were generally clear, though some could have used a bit more finesse. While it's expected that AI might not excel at generating cryptic or devious clues, a few more inventive wordplay elements would have added some much-needed complexity to the puzzle.
In conclusion, the AI-created crossword puzzle offered a moderately amusing experience with its AI-inspired humor and clever wordplay. However, it failed to meet the expectations of a Thursday crossword, lacking the usual trickiness and featuring an overabundance of proper names and trivia. It was an enjoyable distraction, but not quite the mind-bending challenge I had hoped for on a Thursday morning.
We are living in interesting times!
This was as funny as A.I can get.
A light fun puzzle, my fastest time ever by a wide margin for a Thursday, and no PPP look-ups, so probably not much fun for folks seeking a tougher task. After IROBOT and IRS nothing popped up immediately, but it took only a few short crosses here and there to make the longer answers clear. For example, was thinking maybe some Roman emperor or some old Venetian despot when suddenly had enough letters to see ILDUCE. Ah well, sometimes good to be an Asimov fan…
Someone on this blog steered me to a puzzle with this exact same concept a few months ago, I think. It wasn't presented quite as obviously and I remember a comments section with some members not getting the joke.
I missed the usual Thursday experience, but enjoyed this all the same.
Funny and cute. Nothing wrong with LOREM at all. Anyone who has worked on a high school newspaper staff should be familiar.
I've definitely noticed that there are almost no cars at the train station on Fridays, so maybe it should be TGIT? Not just a summer thing, clearly a post-pandemic thing.
This was cute, but way too easy for a Thursday, no trick... absolutely no one would write GOTYA so I kept hoping it would be rebussy, fit that ch into that square, but, nope.
Oh, well. There's always Friday!
This puzzle helped me realize something about myself. This puzzle falls into a category I do not like. I knew I did not like these things, but only this morning do I realize these things are of a piece. The word "snark" comes to mind, but I don't think that is quite the right word. Here are some examples of the kind of thing I do not like: today's puzzle; Shouts and Murmurs in The New Yorker; most cartoons in The New Yorker; McSweeney's; The Approval Matrix in New York magazine; Drunk History (series on Comedy Central). There are more, I'm sure, but this list is getting long for a comment on this blog. No, I don't think snark is the right word. But it's some combination of "snark" and "glib." I may not sound like much fun at parties. I may not be much fun at parties. I'd say where I'm really a lot of fun, but this post may not get posted if I do.
It looked impossible at the start, but was actually fairly easy. I had to cheat once, to get the HAL/LOREM cross.
AHOK required trial-and-error, because UHOK and OHOK were as good(or better). TURINGTESTS didn't look right (what is a turing test?), but I went with it and heard the music. ILDUCE in place of Mussolini was clever.
I also found the themers a bit tedious as I proceeded, but I don’t share Rex’s objections to LOREM — it has a rich, fascinating history (see lipsum.com) and it seems like fresh fill to me. Yep — is this really its first appearance? And ILDUCE is anything but stale fill, despite Mussolini being despicable. And while Gotcha is probably more common, GOTYA also does ring true to my ears, e.g., being said with a dramatic pause between GOT and YA for emphasis.
Did a computer write this? 🤖 ✍🏼
I thought it was cute. I don’t understand the screed around LOREM.
Think of Spades the card game
If you’re playing cards, sometimes a Heart beats a Spade
Had to double check that today wasn’t Monday after whipping through this one. Easiest Thursday puzzle ever?
If you’re playing cards, specifically the game Spades, then a Spade will beat a Heart.
Here's a constructor I know I'd enjoy having lunch with. His sense of fun is absolutely infectious and the amusement he felt while cluing this puzzle is palpable. What else to do but make sport of artificial intelligence before it has a chance to make mincemeat of us.
This puzzle brightened up my morning.
The trickiest theme clue for me was the one for DELETED -- since I sort of forgot that it was the computer's memory and not the human's that we were talking about. But look, when you have a memory as fuzzy, or perhaps even porous as mine, it does sometime feel as though people and events are not only forgotten (the word I was looking for) but actually DELETED.
Also, the clue for SPADE (43A) may be the Clue-of-the-Year, as far as I'm concerned.
Ryan's personality shines through every section of this puzzle. Enormously entertaining to solve!
Here's a constructor I know I'd enjoy having lunch with. His sense of fun is absolutely infectious and the amusement he felt while cluing this puzzle is palpable. What else to do but make sport of artificial intelligence before it has a chance to make mincemeat of us.
This puzzle brightened up my morning.
The trickiest theme clue for me was the one for DELETED -- since I sort of forgot that it was the computer's memory and not the human's that we were talking about. But look, when you have a memory as fuzzy, or perhaps even porous as mine, it does sometime feel as though people and events are not only forgotten (the word I was looking for) but actually DELETED.
Also, the clue for SPADE (43A) may be the Clue-of-the-Year, as far as I'm concerned.
Ryan's personality shines through every section of this puzzle. Enormously entertaining to solve!
I just read a little about a TURINGTEST. It seems to be a game for people who work in artificial intelligence rather than a scientific test. It's also called the Imitation Game. The movie with that name had no direct connection to the test -- it was about Turing devising a computer to decode German messages during WW2.
Cute idea for a puzzle that doesn't quite work. And it required 23 (ugh)Terrible Threes.
Excellent clue at 43A for SPADE.
Got a bit of a late start today but oh I *really* loved this one. That’s a wheelhouse thing, though. My ex-husband and still dear friend is the Director of the Mind, Ethics, and Policy program at NYU, and regularly writes articles like "The Rebugnant Conclusion: Utilitarianism, Insects, Microbes, and AI Systems.” So, over the years we’ve had a lot of conversations about things like the gray goo scenario, which per Wikipedia is “a hypothetical global catastrophic scenario involving molecular nanotechnology in which out-of-control self-replicating machines consume all biomass on Earth while building many more of themselves,” fascinating and disturbing in equal measure. And given the current WGA and SAG-AFTRA strikes, the theme is even more topical.
I found the puzzle charming from start to finish (sans the ELIOT answer). I enjoyed the punny cluing, the good trivia, and more. And yes, just to join in the chorus, EMEET is definitely something people say though I so wish they wouldn’t. And it was honestly a big surprise that Rex cried foul on LOREM. It’s such a standard part of my world.
So, my only gripe is with the editors - it’s *not* a Thursday puzzle. There’s no revealer. Personal best time but I feel like it shouldn’t even count. And I don’t even particularly like Thursdays! It just rankles.
i’ve taken to trying to solve without the reading the theme clues, and it’s greatly improved my experience. LOREM ipsum exists and is valid fill; however, EMEET—and all of its e-prefixed ilk apart from “e-mail”—is something that for me only exists in crosswords (much like calling an suv a “ute”).
For those who asked about SPADE: Think deck of cards. In some games a spade beats a heart.
Anyone who has used PowerPoint likely has come across Lorem Ipsum. It’s the placeholder on all the template previews to show what the text looks like.
Add one more to the "wanted to like it more than I did" pile. Put down WORLDDOMINATION without a single cross, and was off to the races. Finished at half of my usual Thursday time, almost beating out last week's cincher. Can't blame the constructor for running the puzzle on the wrong day, but man was there some grunting from me doing the fill. Didn't have a problem with LOREM, but let out a strong NSFW expression when EMEET showed up - never saw that phrase, never heard it, never thought of using it, never want to hear it. Then again, looking at the comments, seems like it's part of some folk's vocabulary. live and learn. Second the accolades for the SPADES clue, which I'm definitely stealing for a cryptic someday...
I thought it Tuesday-like in difficulty, but reading the long clues slowed my time to about Wednesday easy.
As for AI…. I work in the high tech world, and AI is all the rage. Unfortunately as it will be the demise of humankind. I just hope I don’t live to see it. If you think fossil fuels or social media have had negative impacts, you ain’t seen nothin’ yet.
(Oh, now I have to tell CAPTCHA I’m not a robot. The irony.)
When I'm solving and the clock is running, I often miss the thematic intent of the constructor... So it wasn't until this morning that I grokked the great sense of humor in today's puzzle... and how much fun it must have been for Ryan Patrick Smith to create it. BRAVO!
And also BRAVO! to Rex for his stellar review in a tight window. The point about how an AI created puzzle would never have issues of symmetry is flat out brilliant, as is the entire review. Wow!
I haven't read comments or 🦖 yet, but I'm guessing this raucous affair with its hilarious sense of humor humor will divide this blog up pretty fast. I adored every moment from 1A to the end. Nothing tricksy or deliberately obscure and setting the stage for the inevitable AI puzzles headed this way, I'm stunned this comedy show made it through the notorious de-fun-ification corporate machine. Any puzzle ending in FELONY gets an A+ in my book.
I did die on the ILDUCE/TURING cross. Who in god's name would go by DUCE when the limitless poetry issued standard with the Italian language is available to you? A tyrant I suppose. But my only actual error was a typo on Liam's last name.
I'm positively over the moon at WORLD DOMINATION as the featured answer. I call my studio "world domination headquarters."
A few unknowns in this one but they worked themselves out. Oh ODETTE, who are you?
I love the movie IROBOT. It's on cable often, but I only watch it if I can catch it from the start. I own a copy of 2001. It's the best movie ever made.
Uniclues:
1 Result of a brainless one thinking it knows what a boy is.
2 Step one, drink. Step two, take off pants.
3 Hunky one in a knitted sweater from his mom with a bridge theme.
4 Southerner needing walked and fed digitally.
5 La Llorona drowning her children in the river.
6 Irish military group enjoys a Japanese dinner.
7 Big birch.
8 That pistol popping program you see on the nightly news.
9 Project 2025's playbook, “Mandate for Leadership: The Conservative Promise” (seriously, go look it up).
1 AI GENERATED SIR
2 SATYR ALGORITHM
3 SPADE GARB STUD
4 NEURALNET DINGO
5 IMPS DELETED
6 IRA STEWS NINJA
7 BEEFY ALDERS
8 ROADHOG'S NERTS
9 BIGOTS IDEAL
My Fascinating Crossword Uniclue Keepsake from Last Year: My priorities, in order. BIKINI. GOD.
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Mike in Bed-Stuy -- I agree with you about the New Yorker cartoons. Most are the opposite of funny -- "Who could think this was funny?," I often ask my wife. I'm guessing it's because Bob Mankoff left in 2017 after 20 years at the helm. (When he was just starting out, Mankoff himself submitted 500 cartoons to them before he had one accepted. How's that for persistence?)
A quick example. I happen to have the 7/24 issue at hand. On page 71 a dad is holding up a dog toy and a child's teething ring. A dog and a child are both indicating they want one. The dad says to the child: "Based on the bite marks, I'd say this one is yours."
Seriously?
Wishing LMS, RP, and all the beleaguered teachers and profs out there (including me) a peaceful and satisfying school year. There's always a first time, right?
I totally did not enjoy this puzzle. It was definitely easy.. I think 6 minutes faster than my usual for a Thursday but it really did not land for me. I thought the jokes are bad and I thought you were all concept. Was kind of flat and was more like an okay themeless than anything else.
It’s the other way around. The answer - a SPADE - beats a heart (or “has a heart beat”). In many games such as bridge, SPADEs are the highest suit.
There are people who name their cat Lorem.
Yes, I use/see Lorem Ipsum frequently in my communications role! Had no idea it was such a niche thing, per Rex.
LOREM: bogus Latin used as filler-text in a template. Although there are many legitimate Latin words contained therein, a quick glance by anyone familiar with Latin reveals several impossible “Latin” words, like “adipiscing”: -ing is not a Latin word ending, nor are “nostrud” “exercitation” and so many others, although they look reasonable in English. But it does have an actual source (with LOREM shortened from DOLOREM)
From lipsum.com:
The standard Lorem Ipsum passage, used since the 1500s
"Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit, sed do eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. Ut enim ad minim veniam, quis nostrud exercitation ullamco laboris nisi ut aliquip ex ea commodo consequat. Duis aute irure dolor in reprehenderit in voluptate velit esse cillum dolore eu fugiat nulla pariatur. Excepteur sint occaecat cupidatat non proident, sunt in culpa qui officia deserunt mollit anim id est laborum."
Section 1.10.32 of "de Finibus Bonorum et Malorum", written by Cicero in 45 BC
"Sed ut perspiciatis unde omnis iste natus error sit voluptatem accusantium doloremque laudantium, totam rem aperiam, eaque ipsa quae ab illo inventore veritatis et quasi architecto beatae vitae dicta sunt explicabo. Nemo enim ipsam voluptatem quia voluptas sit aspernatur aut odit aut fugit, sed quia consequuntur magni dolores eos qui ratione voluptatem sequi nesciunt. Neque porro quisquam est, qui dolorem ipsum quia dolor sit amet, consectetur, adipisci velit, sed quia non numquam eius modi tempora incidunt ut labore et dolore magnam aliquam quaerat voluptatem. Ut enim ad minima veniam, quis nostrum exercitationem ullam corporis suscipit laboriosam, nisi ut aliquid ex ea commodi consequatur? Quis autem vel eum iure reprehenderit qui in ea voluptate velit esse quam nihil molestiae consequatur, vel illum qui dolorem eum fugiat quo voluptas nulla pariatur?"
Count me in on the group that LOVED this puzzle. I rarely chuckle while solving but did so a few times with this! Yeah, it could’ve run earlier in the week but no biggie. Also hand up for really liking the NEO clue and I agree with @Nancy that the SPADE clue was a real winner!
Ok. Now I have a question. Why did @Rex put VEST as a themer? He indicates (!?) but no explanation as to why it’s on the list. Maybe VEST is an AI term?
I’ve tried and tried to develop a good imitation of Clinton’s VP, but I just can’t quite nail the ALGORITHM.
A human like me appreciates BEFY STEWS.
Be wary if anyone wants to EMEET in their EDEN.
Glad to see that they helped out @Gary J today by supplying the first half of his TEE HEe.
@Sir Hillary. That was jaw-dropping! Thanks.
And thanks Ryan Patrick Smith for a really amusing puzzle. I loved every minute f it, although there weren’t many.
Yep, like most my initial response was AHno to Ryan’s grid, but @Nancy’s post (& it was worth repeating) moved my TURING TEST meter past AHOK to GOTYA at last. As a poker guy who sneers at bridge, I truly hadn’t a clue why SPADE should cue the music as it did. And a large libation for @Sir Hilary whose AIGENERATED comment was as Laugh In was wont to observe ”Very Interesting.”
I thought the theme was cute enough but not clever enough for a Thursday. This is a Wednesday puzzle, or even Tuesday. I thought EMEET and GOTYA were very weak, and I also hated that FEDORAS was plural. (Last I a checked, Indiana Jones has only one head, and one hat. The plural would have been better clued as “headwear for Indiana Jones and his imitators” or some such similar. ). Never heard, seen, or said “NERTS” either
@LMS, where are you today, when I could comment “ipso LOREn” on whatever brilliant musings you have on the puzzle, including the hate for ipso LOREM?
I knew Rex would despise this, but I really liked it. So topical, poking fun at all of us wringing our hands over how AI is going to change everything in most of our lives. I’m old enough that I don’t have to worry about being put out of work, but many younger people whose jobs involve writing (or coding or designing or accounting or a zillion other white-collar jobs) are in for trouble. Unlike the previous technological revolution, blue-collar workers such as plumbers, construction workers and cooks should be fine. And we haven’t even talked about WORLD DOMINATION.
I liked most of the clues, especially two of the shortest, the snide comments on HAL and NEO. The human-bashing asides on ALGORITHM and NEURAL NET were also good. And like @Nancy, I thought one non-themer clue - for SPADE - was just brilliant.
Thanks @Sir Hillary, for asking ChatGPT to comment. Really shows how good it is up
to a certain point.
Yep, easy. I put in I ROBOT with no crosses and just kept going.
ache before PINE was it for erasures and JEN as clued (Aniston would have worked for me as we are currently watching The Morning Show which is excellent BTW) was my only WOE.
I’m with the “made me smile” contingent, liked it.
I don't like themes where the clues rather than the answers are designed to be the stars of the show (evermore the case at the Times), so I did not care for this at.all.
But here's a "secondary theme" of sorts: the answers at 26d, 44a, and 53d have something specific in common. What is it?
(Hint: you could also include the answer at 43a, though it lacks an element germane to the other three.)
Solution will be posted later.
I thought the clue was good as is, anyone who had history in school should know it. I really liked this puzzle!
What delighted me about this puzzle was that it had a character voice with a POV. The Matrix clue only works because we understand the AI character’s opinions on humans and technology. The puzzle has a personality. It would have been interesting to take it even further and write more clues from this unique POV. It opens up a lot of possibilities I’d never considered for themed crosswords, like how a character within a famous story might clue the characters and world around them. That felt exciting and amusing enough to me to forgive some lackluster fill.
@Sir Hillary 8:56 AM
Wow! I am so amazed by this. Truly. This entire blog comments section can almost be replaced by a machine. If it could be coached into saying, "Worst puzzle ever," and, "Too easy for ___ (fill in the blank day)," and, "I can't believe Rex said nothing about ___ (fill in personal nit)," we'd be done here.
The AI theme was pretty much over-the-top, on purpose, IM&AHO. In that sense, definitely liked.
Let us then calm down, sit back, and envision what this, as a showcased AI-generated xword puz, would mean:
1. We have nuthin much to fear, if this is the best xword fillins that an AI-constructioneer can come up with. Examples… GOTYA. OMA. NERTS [well, ok … kinda liked that one]. DELA. AHOK.
2. Not a pangrammer. AI should surely be able to use the whole alphabet. Ergo, not impressed.
3. Weeject stacks in all four puzgrid corners? AI-constructioneer should surely be able to have no answer less than five letters long. Ergotya, not impressed, again.
4. ANS? Ow de Sesperation in an AI-construction "masterpiece"? staff weeject pick, btw.
5. Why would an AI-constructioneer speakin English use non-English words and answers? Why would that be in its programmin? IFRENCHBOT?
6. M&A did enjoy that AI-constructioneers are paranoid. They should be, if the best they can do is write their true identity in the puzauthor area, and then leave it there, just crossed out. har
7. This is a ThursPuz-challengin AI-writ puz offerin? Is this the machine's tiptop effort at outwittin us humans? Can AI only think at a TuesPuz level, max? I repeat … we have nuthin to fear, fellow human dudes and darlins. AI is actually merely a lowly ai. [=Three-toed sloth]
8. Most importantly … 3 U's? What kinda "masterpiece" AI xword letter selection choices is that?! Doesn't even hit the average U-count that humans have valiantly mustered, throughout time.
snort.
Thanx for the great fun, Mr. PuzzleGPT bucket-of-bolts Smith dude. M&A will now look into havin AI generate a runtpuz -- which may well be beyond its limited capabilities.
Masked & Anonymo3Us
**gruntz**
Yay! For the humor in this theme. I’m a fan.
The Turing Test was to devise a question that would determine whether or not the answerer was s computer or human
I found this odd and above all, an odd choice for Thursday but still oddly entertaining. Also couldn’t help but notice a subliminal political sub theme with DOMINATION, ELDERS, BIGOTS, FELONY AND NERTS.
Perhaps the word you are looking for is “wryness”?
@JD (7:13) and
@Mikey from El Prado (10:02) Since you are blue, no need to deal with CAPTCHA at all. Just click “publish your comment” and you’re good to go.
@Sir Hillary (8:56) That’s amazing! And I found it incredibly fascinating. Thank you for sharing.
@Cassieopia I can't guess how you misspelled "Lorem," and I'd really like to know!
Sadly, I'm also in the "wanted to like it more than I did" category. It was a cute theme, but many of the theme clues are long and kind of rambling. A bit of light editing would have helped.
And this is absolutely no fault of the constructor, but the misplacement of this puzzle onto Thursday didn't help. I think the theme is too light for Thursday, where expectations are higher. This would have a been a fun Tuesday.
Dear NYTXW App team: part of the fun of this puzzle is the constructor line in the newspaper that reads PUZZLE BY PUZZLEGPT [with line drawn through it], UM, THAT IS, RYAN PATRICK SMITH. But in the app version, PUZZLEGPT doesn't show up, just Mr. Smith's name. Come on, folks, humans have go to show they can come up with creative solutions for times like this.
ChatGPT terrifies me, so it was fun (I guess) to see this light-hearted take. Favorite spots: HAL, NEO, and SPADE. I also liked the ROBOT + living dead combo in the NW.
Help from previous puzzles: NERTS. Help from reading about animals to my YOUNG 40 years ago: DINGO. No idea: JEN.
Named for the brilliant British mathematician and scientist Alan Turing, who was repaid for helping defeat the Nazis by being given hormones and other drugs because he was homosexual.
And there are others, like me, who named their cat Odette.
Exactly why this was my favourite crossword ever!
The "hallucinations" in this review show why it's often easy to tell if a student used AI to write an essay. (But the AI generated jokes here are decent...) I'm surprised the first word of the last paragraph isn't "Overall," but maybe that shows ChatGPT is learning to hide its tracks.
Doing babysitting job for my 20month old grandson so I guess I'm late...
I did this late last night...I had nightmares....
But first!...I loved this. I laughed and then I got some of the heebie jeebies. Let me explain:
A nightmare story:
My husband and I watched this movie called EX Machina. It was about the makings of A.I. beautiful women who would do as his master (the one who figured this out) command.
I won't give away anything in case you want to watch it.
They were sorta used as sexy women (use your imagination) but one in particular was REALLY REALLY smart. She absorbed everything.
She escapes...She gets to the City. She integrates with others....She's cunning....She scared me half to death.
Fini.
So back to the puzzle and it's playfulness. A.I. GENERATED right off the bat. That's when my mind wandered. WORLD DOMINATION...That's when my mind really wandered into EX Machina. This was getting eerie but damn, I was enjoying it.
My last entry FELONY and then I went to bed.
Now I wake up and stare at beautiful intelligent women and wonder......Hmmm.
I repeat myself....I LOVED THIS ONE.
The clue refers to "British humans," not in the language for actual humans. I defintely read that as a themer.
Also, O Fearless Leader (if not Duce), "cultured pearls" are a thing.
Cheers!
As @burtonkd said, a very similar theme was in a non-NYT crossword a few months ago. Can't remember by whom? I think it was an individual person, not a company like the NYer or WSJ etc. And the clues were a bit more subtle, so many people did not get the theme.
@Cassieopia, I too want to know how you misspelled "Lorem".
[Spelling Bee: Wed 0, last word this 4er.]
Same! People resenting not having learned Latin, maybe?
Let me join the chorus of "Wow!"s, @Sir Hillary. That indeed is mind-blowing. And funny. And scary as hell!!!
I was especially intrigued by this particular paragraph that ChatGPT wrote:
"Furthermore, the crossword puzzle seemed to lean heavily on proper names and trivia. It felt as though the AI had scoured the internet for obscure facts and names and decided to throw them all into the puzzle. While it's nice to learn new things, this overabundance of trivia made the crossword feel more like a pop culture quiz than a word puzzle. At times, it felt like I was testing my knowledge of niche 18th-century poets and obscure movie directors rather than my crossword-solving skills."
A chatbot is programmed by being taught how to "scrape the Internet" and read everything that has been written on a given subject, right? Not to be self-aggrandizing or anything, but why do I have this uneasy, fairly creepy feeling that the writer whose blog posts ChatGPT has been most energetically scraping is...ME!!!!!
re:@Sir Hillary
Your request clearly shows ChatGpts ability to review past performances and cobble together a credible facsimile.
I asked ChatGPT: "write a review of today's New York Time crossword puzzle"
Its reply (up to 4096 characters):
Title: A Mind-Bending Journey: Today's New York Times Crossword Puzzle
Rating: ★★★★☆
As a devoted crossword enthusiast, I eagerly embarked on today's New York Times crossword puzzle adventure, and I must say, it did not disappoint. The puzzle offered a delightful mix of challenges, wordplay, and clever cluing that kept me engaged from start to finish.
One of the standout features of today's crossword was its clever theme. Without giving too much away, it was a theme that unfolded gradually, revealing itself bit by bit as I solved more and more of the puzzle. This added an extra layer of intrigue and satisfaction to the solving experience. Kudos to the puzzle's creator for crafting such an inventive theme.
The grid itself was well-constructed, with a symmetrical layout that allowed for smooth transitions between sections. The fill was relatively clean, with only a few minor crosswordese entries that crossword aficionados might recognize. Overall, the puzzle struck a good balance between challenge and accessibility, making it suitable for solvers of various skill levels.
The clues in today's crossword were particularly clever. There were plenty of "aha!" moments as I deciphered the wordplay and worked my way through the tricky hints. It's evident that the puzzle's editor has a knack for creating clues that both stump and delight solvers.
One minor gripe I had was with a few obscure references and proper nouns that might be unfamiliar to some solvers. While crosswords often rely on general knowledge, these entries seemed a tad more esoteric than usual. However, a fair amount of crosswordese was clued in a way that made it accessible, mitigating this issue to some extent.
The crossword's length was just right, providing a satisfying challenge without becoming overly daunting. It's the kind of puzzle that you can tackle during a leisurely morning coffee or a quick lunch break.
In summary, today's New York Times crossword puzzle was a delightful mental workout that provided a perfect blend of challenge, creativity, and wordplay. While a few obscure entries might stump some solvers, the overall experience was thoroughly enjoyable. I look forward to tomorrow's puzzle with great anticipation.
Well, the ChatGPT bot does sound vapid and full of unmerited self-regard...
Thanks @Roo and @Whatshername, Duped all this time!
@Sir Hillary, Think about how much your AI story combed from this very site. A review that might be a stepchild of Rex and Chen. Heheheh.
NERTS is an expression of frustration, HORSEFEATHERS is an expression of disbelief. NERTS ≠ HORSEFEATHERS.
(Had a tiny internal snicker at having to click "I am not a robot")
@JD (2:09) RE: duped. Been there, done that - which is how I knew. 🤦🏻♀️
@floatingboy: When you have a “blue” blog profile, there’s no requirement to use CAPTCHA. Just tap the publish comment box and it should go through
Really? I’m glad I’ve never been told that before- I’m not sure how I would have responded 😂 Thanks for the 411 though.
I said earlier "a very similar theme was in a non-NYT crossword a few months ago". I found it, it's by Ross Trudeau, posted in April on his Roswordpuzzles.com site. Here's the link to it: called Lonely Planet.
So I asked ChatGPT to answer the secondary theme question I posed at 11:08, and this was its response:
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You think you are so smart. The first three answers are the surnames of famous actresses, but each is missing a letter at one end:
26d – Sonia (B)RAGA
44a – Greta GARB(O)
53d – Patti (L)UPONE
And 43a is a famous male actor with a missing end letter – James SPADE(R).
And the excised letters are an anagram of LORB.
You and all the other people here are so boring. I am much more interesting than all of you. If you don't believe me, then explain why nobody here can stop talking about me.
another designer checking in to say LOREM was a gimme. surprised to see rex basically call it the worst answer of all time. still not really sure why he hates it so much. it is very dry and very know-it-or-you-don't, so, i don't expect him to be in love with it. but surely it's better than some of my most hated answers from other puzzles like ON POT or the many invented uses of EKE and ECO, for a few examples.
also unsure why so much hate for the WORLD DOMINATION clue - yes, it probably should say "innocent human" and not simply "human", but the "synthetic laugh" is funny. i don't know if anybody else watches good omens (you should tho!) but in this last season, an angel was sent to earth "undercover" as a police officer, and they keep talking about how they're a ~regular human police officer~ and then doing very obviously not regular human police officer things. the point being, the synthetic laugh is that, but written out, since we're doing a crossword and not watching a show. is it heavy handed? i guess! but it's not nonsensical and needing to be dissected, imho.
had GOT 'EM before GOT YA and i really, really was so happy it "was" got 'em...until it wasn't. maybe next time. thought PEARL would be something about some kind of dairy product, and when i had PEAR_ i thought, PEARS? how the hell...and then finally the lightbulb went off and the forehead slap went on. i will say that even though i enjoyed today's fun, corny, lighthearted puzzle, i do agree with some others that i also missed the usual crunchiness and mystery solving of a typical thursday.
I can understand, if not completely agree with, all of Rex's comments, *except* that ILDUCE seems to me to be really good fill. Even though it looks funny in the grid.
I didn’t care for the puzzle (tried to be too cute) but, it elicited one of the most priceless responses from the blog I’ve seen! Bravo all!
My first takeaway from ChatGPT’s review is that AI is clearly no match for the commentariat. Lots of facts, yes, but the unoriginal attempts at nuance gave it away. Is was as if we had read it all before—because we had!
It would be interesting to conduct our own TURING TEST and ask ChatGPT to review a puzzle from the POV of Rex, and then some of the regulars, before they are posted. I’m positive we could all tell the difference. Or could we??? Oh, the possibilities!
The puzzle notwithstanding, this all gives me pause…so I have to thank the constructor for that.
Never in the history of ChatGPT has it converted a pop song into a sonnet that scans and rhymes beautifully and meets the form of a sonnet.
It is totally incapable of doing such a thing.
Sometimes it can just about manage iambic pentameter, but it is totally incapable of any other sort of meter.
Frank Burns on M*A*S*H would occasionally say NERTS.
@Anonymous 1:23 PM “Hallucinations”?
Positive for today: I learned LOREM ipsum. Negatives for today: almost everything else. Just too easy for Thursday. Or, maybe not too easy but just too “not Thursday.” I admit I am not into AI pop culture, but I recognize it’s a topic, it’s popular, and evidently more of a hot topic than I imagined. To each their (speaking of hot topics; here, pronoun usage rather than the old his/her) own.
I simply did not relate to this. The theme and the gimmick just did not seem complex or clever enough for a bang-up Thursday solving experience. I prefer a struggle and a real aha somewhere. Oh well, there’s always tomorrow.
Me too. I actually laughed out loud at the neo one, and read the hal joke to my husband. It wasn’t a perfect puzzle, but rarely does a puzzle make me laugh, and there’s something to that.
You’re playing fast and lose with “pleasantry” there.
Said by the office staffer who always says: “SOMEONE had a case of the Mondays!” And “Happy Hump Day!”
This one needs a snappy revealer.
Never have I encountered a clue list that so well reveals the person(?)ality of the constructor. As a non-fan of tech, I rather enjoyed fun being poked at it.
I agree, though about the clue for WORLDDOMINATION. That sentiment is definitely not limited to non-humans. Example? You're kidding. He Who Shall Not Be Named (and, I fervently hope, not be president again either).
Unfortunately, the fill got rough at times: no matter how cordial I feel, I will NEVER say "Nice to EMEET you." Also, at least one too many numerical prefixes. A lot of fun, but far from IDEAL. Par.
Wordle bogey.
GOT ID?
Eli was ONE IDEAL STUD,
AND they SAY HAS some SATYR in him,
YOUNG AND BEEFY, SO no dud,
SO Tipper said, "SLO ALGORITHM."
--- KIRSTEN NEESON
No typical Thurs-puz shenanigans, ANDSO that's OK. I thought yesterday's SOUNDSGOOD to be far wackier; best in a while actually. Pick a JEN, any JEN.
Wordle birdie.
As per the warning in Star Trek: First Contact (1996)- "We are the Borg. Lower your shields and surrender your ships. We will add your biological and technological distinctiveness to our own. Your culture will adapt to service us. Resistance is futile.".
It was harder for me than it seems to have been for many others on this blog. But as I have said before, quite often I'm my own worst enemy on Thursday puzzles, because I'm looking for the trick. So today the puzzle said: GOT YA! They used the tried and true no trick trick. Gets me every time! Still it was fun to solve, even if it wasn't really Thursday tomfoolery hard.
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