Sister brand of Mazola / FRI 3-31-23 / Diacritic over the 'r' in Dvorak / Show first performed during 1994's Eurovision Song Contest / Joel who once played Wyatt Earp in film / Blended numbers / Classic cars that rivaled the Ford Maverick and Plymouth Duster

Friday, March 31, 2023

Constructor: Rich Norris

Relative difficulty: Medium-Challenging


THEME: none 

Word of the Day: PART SONGS (9D: Blended numbers) —
Strictly any song written for several vocal parts, but in practice, a comp. for male, female, or mixed vv. (usually but not necessarily unacc.) which is not contrapuntal like the madrigal but has the melody in the highest part with accompanying harmonies in the other vv. Either through‐composed (Durchkomponiert) or strophic (verse‐repeating). Is a particularly Eng. genre, developing in popularity with growth of choral socs. in early 19th cent., so there are many examples by Pearsall, Barnby, Stanford, Elgar, Delius, Warlock, and many others. But examples exist by Schubert, Schumann, Mendelssohn, Brahms, etc. (Oxford Reference)
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This was not for me. In the extreme. Felt like being bludgeoned with olde-tymeiness. I was having flashbacks, seeing fill I hadn't seen in two, four, twenty-four years, and for the life of me I could not find more than a wisp of contemporary ... anything. For real, this could've come out in the late '90s, No Problem. '80s, possibly, were it not for NEVE Campbell. How long has it been since there were CHEVY NOVAS? (Not since the '80s). How long has it been since someone tried to use THEPO in a grid? [Just last year!? Wow, I blocked that out] When's the last time someone used the term POOBAHS unironically? I think I learned that term from "Happy Days," which means it was already old-timey 45 years ago. I learned CANTAB from crosswords and then promptly stopped thinking about it because constructors got better at filling grids and also got slightly less Ivy-centric in their thinking (I think of CANTAB like I think of ELIHU Yale, i.e. really, I have to know this?). I love Joel MCCREA (26D: Joel who once played Wyatt Earp in film), but then I watch more old movies than is probably healthy, and anyway, what a borrrrrrring clue for MCCREA—a charming, dreamy leading man who was the star of some of the greatest movies of the '40s, including Sullivan's Travels and one of my five favorite movies of all time, The More the Merrier (with JEAN ARTHUR, my No. 1 all-time movie crush) (OK, maybe tied with Teri Garr). Laura INNES isn't a contemporary reference any more, not since RIVERDANCE was a thing (seriously, has this puzzle been sitting in a drawer since '97?). I really liked "JUST SAY IT!" as that was the one thing that felt like it had a pulse. Puzzles should have broad frames of reference and the cluing should be alive to the language of today. This one fell short on both counts. The good stuff was not nearly good enough, or widespread enough, to offset the overall musty feel of the grid. 


What is Mazola? (10A: Sister brand of Mazola). Is that also bygone? Oh, no, just corn oil. People use that? It's weird that the puzzle wants to make ARGO and EYRE non-literary. Trying to pretend they're not literary just makes them fussier / weirder, not better. DIET PILLS are awful in real life and so awful in the grid. It's GOLDEN AGE not GOLDEN ERA (12D: Prosperous period). I have no idea what PART SONGS are. Never heard the term. Ever, not once. Is that like a round song, like "Frère Jacques"? Oof, I had PART and then no idea. Eventually I just guessed SONGS because I figured well, that's a word that means "numbers," so OK. I just read the definition of PART SONGS and honestly still don't get it. Here, you read it. I'll stipulate that PART SONGS is a *fantastic* answer and that I'm just ignorant. The puzzle really needs a win so ... sure, PART SONGS, great, congratulations. Musically, I'm more familiar with the SCHROEDER REPERTOIRE, i.e. Beethoven and ... well Beethoven. OK, more than that. Choral music was just never ever (ever) really my thing. I listen to classical music precisely so I don't have to deal with the mental clutter of words (i.e. so I can take a break from words, which I love, but omg so many words, writing and lecturing and reading and what not, sometimes I need them to stop). 


Unsurprisingly, given how before (even) my time this puzzle feels, it was a bit of a struggle for me. No idea on ARGO. Absolutely no idea on HACEK (34A: Diacritic over the "r" in "Dvorák). I thought he was an NHLER ... damn, that was Dominik HASEK, who somehow Also Has A HACEK In His Name (over the "S") ... he was big in the '90s, so he'd've fit right in to this grid. I guess EMBASSY Row is what you call the place where embassies ... are? So that's what that clue means ... I think (40D: Row house?). Apple ... INC? Really, that's your INC clue? Yeesh. PSST and AHEM before "LOOK!" (16A: Attention-getting cry). SST before TNT. SERTA before SEALY (klassic kealoa*) (15D: Company for a king or queen). I hope you all found ways to enjoy this. Maybe on a nostalgia level or something, I don't know. But I'm surprised that, with all the sizzling themeless grids that I know are being submitted and rejected, this one was deemed fit for the NYTXW. But if this was your jam, then ... OKEY-DOKEY. I'm happy for you.

Signed, Rex Parker, King of CrossWorld 

*kealoa = a pair of words (normally short, common answers) that can be clued identically and that share at least one letter in common (in the same position). These are answers you can't just fill in quickly because two or more answers are viable, Even With One or More Letters In Place. From the classic [Mauna ___] KEA/LOA conundrum. See also, e.g. [Heaps] ATON/ALOT, ["Git!"] "SHOO"/"SCAT," etc.


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176 comments:

Anonymous 6:03 AM  

GALA seems a reasonable answer for Quite a blast? Crossing with OKAY. Ugh.

B Right There 6:27 AM  

Amen to everything in Rex's write up. Thought "huh?!?" way too many times on this one, and finally did several cheat reveals to get through it. Basically came here to get a "Phew, it wasn't just me." confirmation.

Anonymous 6:29 AM  

Agree 100% with Rex. Hated it.

Aaron 6:32 AM  

Embassy Row is (an apparently not terribly famous) area in DC that is, in fact, a row of embassies.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embassy_Row

Conrad 6:33 AM  


Very challenging for me.

Overwrites:
ssT before TNT at 6D
ahem before LOOK at 16A
GALa before GALE at 18A
JUST Spill before JUST SAY IT at 33D
pie before INC at 35A
CLamped before CLUNG TO at 36A
TiC before TAC at 37D
lISle before SISAL at 41A

WOEs:
EYRE at 5D
BOSE at 22A as clued
Joel McCrea at 26D
HACEK at 34A
VAL de Loire at 27D
CANTAB at 46D
Laura INNES at 56A

Anonymous 6:57 AM  

I liked this one. (I like any Friday I can complete?) liked the grid. Toughish, but fair. Enough gimmes to move it fun.

Anonymous 7:05 AM  

I love snark so if I post and pick on Rex’s write up, it’s often with a smirk and playful smile. But today Rex’s critiques are 100% spot on. A horrible puzzle with lousy obscure and dated references. I assume wheels (POOBAHS) can mean an important person? CANTAB is some obscure snobby slang? Joel MCCREA??

Lots of obscurity in here, to the point that it feels more like the constructor was showing off their smarts. I love geography and have done some travel but the Gulf of TUNIS, VAL de Loire, and EYRE Square are deep damn dives. I could rant more, but it’s Friday morning and I want to enjoy the rest of my day.

Roberto 7:07 AM  

Chevy nova was a cheap car not a competitor for the cars in the clue. My first car a 1970 exemplar

kitshef 7:07 AM  

GAH. I figured 25A would be some medical degree - Doctor of Medical Science or some such. Wasn't sure MCCREA was right, so wasn't solid on the 'm' there, and had no clue on 27D. So DNF’d with DMs/sAL

Up to that point, very, very, very hard for a Friday. Very hard for a Saturday. If tomorrow's puzzle is harder than this, I'll eat a gyros platter.

PART SONGS is new for me. 31D was a great clue for SCHROEDER.

I decry the adding of ‘er’ to any sports league to form a word. At least NHLER was fairly transparent. Some day we’ll get “Rapid, e.g. in brief” and be expected to come up with MLSER.

SouthsideJohnny 7:20 AM  

I’ll bet the clue for POOHBAHS (“Big wheels”) is going to be a “love it or hate it situation” - personally I think it is one of the top three worst clues of the year so far. Another dud is the clue for INDY as an “event”. Please, please, someone tell me that they actually say “I’m going to watch the INDY” this weekend. Yea right - and some people watch the SUPER for the halftime show.

The rest of this turkey didn’t smell much better and Rex went into a lot of the gory details. How does this stuff get published ?

Trying to find a ray of sunshine, I will say that at least now I suspect I know where Mario got the name for his restaurant (which probably opened like 30 years ago and has since closed).

Taylor Slow 7:40 AM  

@B Right There: My experience exactly.

TOY PIANO and SCHROEDER were my first non-four-letter answers, but geez... What a terrible slog! I know that ARGO makes corn starch because I have a box of it in my pantry. But that's all they make, and what's their relationship to MAZOLA corn oil? Aren't PARTSONGS just...songs? I've been in many choirs and never encountered that term. Like everyone else on the planet, I've gotten plenty of spam emails, not one of which ever mentioned DIET PILLS, a term I think of as late-20th century; don't people call them weight-loss drugs now? And BOSE-Einstein condensate??? Guess I shouldn't have dropped that condensed-matter physics course... Etc., etc. Too clever by half, obscure for obscure's sake, major clunk.

Anonymous 7:40 AM  

10 words, mostly proper nouns, that I had absolutely no way of knowing or guessing today. Plus CHEVY NOVAS which were cars from a half century ago that are not iconic. I guessed CHEVY early enough but NOVA took me a while to remember. I couldn’t pick that car out of a lineup and don’t remember the Maverick or the Duster… and I’m turning 50 this year.

Wanderlust 7:45 AM  

Brutally hard for me. I thought I wouldn’t finish but powered through. Only the SE came easily because I knew AIDA (Memphis didn’t fool me), LANA (easy clue, but not my favorite clue type) and INNES (big fan of ER back in the day).

The NE and SW finally opened up when I got TOY PIANO and therefore SCHROEDER. I had been held up by spelling the actor’s name as MCCRae, with those two letters in the exact spot to keep me from advancing into the SW. (Thanks for the recommendation for “The More the Merrier,” Rex.) The NW was really hard, though looking at it afterwards, it doesn’t seem like it should have been so bad. Just a lot of ambiguous clues. I did love “company for a king or queen” for SEALY.

A CHEVY NOVA was my first car! I shared it with my brother at college. At one point, you could only start it with one person turning the ignition while another held open some valve under the hood. So you could never go anywhere alone. We went in a double date once, and you can bet those girls were impressed with our routine.

I always wondered if the marketing story about the Nova flopping in Latin America (because “no va” means “it doesn’t go” in Spanish) is apocryphal. Nova without a space means the same thing in Spanish as in English.

IN TOO DEEP and “no longer able to get out” make me think of watching “Lawrence of Arabia” at home when I was a kid. The quicksand scene where Lawrence’s young Arab companion gets sucked under while the hero fails to pull him out haunted me for years. Still does. Only later did I learn the victim was not just his companion but his lover. Would have been useful to know at the time.

JHC 7:46 AM  

My first thought on 29D was something much too racy for the Times... and due to the way I hacked at that corner, I even got to DI__PILLS and was about to be very shocked... and then I figured it out, and I'll admit, I was a little let down.

Anonymous 7:47 AM  

I could not agree more with every word! Glad that’s over.

Megafrim 7:47 AM  

At 1-across I immediately entered HEADLIGHT instead of STREETMAP, and away I flew... into the side of a mountain. Joel MACRAE instead of MCCREA didn't help either, how did I never notice that spelling? EVERYTHING instead of REPERTOIRE, Golden AGE instead of Golden ERA, and then stuff I've never heard of: CANTAB, HACEK, PART SONGS... I finished, but raised my Friday average by 3 seconds (based on over 2000 completed puzzles). But for all that... I felt pretty proud when I finally got my Congratulations!

GAC 7:57 AM  

As tough a puzzle as I can remember. I had no hope of finishing it so just began asking the app to fill in the answer. Many times. Every time I did that I could see that it was a reasonable answer - but one that I'd never think of on my own. Phew!

Son Volt 8:05 AM  

Played harder than most Fridays - had to back into a few unknowns. Did trend a little musty but no issues here. Liked the SCHROEDER pair and CHEVY NOVAS. NHLER, CANTAB, DIET PILLS not so much.

POOH BAH is from G&S - but of course made famous by Fred and Barney.

IN TOO DEEP

I always thought that was a “breve” - like Rex HÁČEK is a great goalie not a diacritic. Kind of liked the folksiness of the overall fill - OKEY DOKEY, GOLDEN ERA etc. Our friends SISAL and ASTER show up.

Enjoyable Friday solve.

Jerry playing for the kids

Anonymous 8:07 AM  

CANTAB is definitely a bit obscure, but not necessarily as snobby as one might assume. It’s a short form of Cantabrigian, the demonym for a resident of Cambridge.

Hence the clue with Cambridge in the UK sense and Harvard in the US sense, since it’s based in Cambridge MA and Harvard types thus live in Cambridge.

Lewis 8:10 AM  

Rich's experience emanates from the grid. No junk, despite a quartet of stacks. Remarkable skill in making clues that make you hesitate before putting in an answer. For example: [Confirm] at six letters could be ASSENT, ACCEPT, RATIFY, SAY YES, as well as today’s UPHOLD. You have to wait for crosses on clues like this. But when enough crosses come and the answer shows, it makes perfect sense, that is, it is fair.

Rich edited several puzzles of mine during his editorship at LAT. He is gracious, smart, and exacting. He always made my puzzles better, by improving clues he thought could be better, but keeping all he could of mine, so that my personality wouldn’t be lost.

This puzzle? Whoof. Ten answers out of my knowledge base to set me in a deep hole. After the first couple of passes it was time to sequester, bear down, and chip, chip, chip away.

My four favorite answers were IN TOO DEEP, REPERTOIRE, SCRUB (as clued), and JUST SAY IT. After I finished, I read about PART SONGS, and this is new knowledge that will stay with me. But what I loved most was the reward-filled hard work this odyssey put me through.

No flash or dash, or bells and whistles, save for that sweet image of SCHROEDER pecking at the keyboard that flashed in my mind. Classic puzzle, a-one, high quality. Thank you, Rich, for this.

Kent 8:15 AM  

It was a struggle for me from the beginning. I had in my head 1A was some kind of light, so even after I had STREET it took me a long time to find the MAP.

There was some stale fill: Laura INNES is a fine actor, for example, but wasn’t exactly a household name even when ER was on the air. And a lot of the others were completely unknown to me (EYRE, VAL, CANTAB, BOSE, HACEK).

I generally thought the long answers were good, though. CHEVY NOVAS haven’t been around for a while, but they were hardly obscure and the answer was clued appropriately with other bygone autos. TOY PIANO and SCHROEDER were a welcome pairing, but could have used more imaginative cluing; “plastic keys” just doesn’t mean anything to me.



puzzlehoarder 8:16 AM  

This is my idea of a "fun Friday". When I saw the constructors name I figured we'd be in for a good solve and I wasn't disappointed. Did it skew old? Well thank ja because it was a relief from so much of the software tailored dreck that passes for puzzles these days. This is the kind of puzzle I learned to solve on and they can still put up a fight.

Solving this I was back in that GOLDENERA before there was an internet. Now I comment on some ego driven blogsite where I get to read how people google to "finish". It's like I'm living in the "Twilight Zone."

Sun-Thu -0

Kent 8:23 AM  

Ha! I tried to figure out what kind of rebus would make ‘male enhancement’ work.

Anonymous 8:29 AM  

Not an enjoyable solve.but I got it done. I entirely agree with "Rex" on this one.

Eater of Sole 8:35 AM  

MCCRae was my downfall. I even "confirmed" it by looking up the dude's wikipedia page. I mean, Issa spells her name that way, why can't Joel? So my second DNF of the month is totally on me. Having said that, CANTAB? Really? I grew up in an Ivy town and went to an Ivy school and if I ever knew that word I've justifiably suppressed it. I hope that I can forget it again. BOSE-Einstein, no prob, it's in the news every once in a while and it's pretty cool stuff (har!!). I enjoyed the TOYPIANO/SCHROEDER pairing. Completely agree with Rex and others on the INC and ARGO cluing.

Andy Freude 8:37 AM  

@Taylor Slow: Same here for my first long answers.

As a music nerd, I’m very familiar with part songs (Brahms wrote some beautiful ones), and let me tell you, they are not “blended numbers.” That clue would work for MEDLEYS, but not part songs.

Ted 8:37 AM  

Just a slog, all around. Could not crack into the SW because of those two little 3 letters up top that were utterly unguessable.

Lead in to card or credit? Apple ___? My dude... I could fit so many answers in there. So there's no help to start those long Downs. I wanted it to be BONER PILLS so that the puzzle would be somewhat current.

Anonymous 8:38 AM  

Amy: am older than Rex, but this was definitely not in my wheelhouse. Boy howdy, was it not. No joy this morning.
March 31st was my older brother's birthday so will make it a good day. TGIF, to all who observe weekends.

Anonymous 8:45 AM  

Well, the Maverick and the Duster weren’t particularly expensive either.

Anonymous 8:47 AM  

Plenty of race fans do call it the Indy. I’m one of them.

Anonymous 8:53 AM  

I did the same thing.

Greater Fall River Committee for Peace & Justice 8:54 AM  

For the record, the print clue for 34 across did not mention Dvorak, or give us any other sort of hint that it was Czech.

Anonymous 9:00 AM  

Weintraub still better dude

Anonymous 9:06 AM  

If it was the thing you first thought, perhaps you wouldn’t be let down.

Anonymous 9:07 AM  

A thoroughly exhausting, dated pub-trivia puzzle. Might resonate with the pub trivia crowd but as a Friday NYT puzzle, the GOLDENERA for this style of puzzle has long been over. I 1000% believe the author of this puzzle is smart, experienced, and clever enough to make a more modern and accessible puzzle so my guess is they constructed like this for nostalgia.

Anonymous 9:08 AM  

Sure would be nice if Short would edit for content and not just viability. So tired of crap puzzles from NYT

Sir Hillary 9:09 AM  

Saturday-tough for me.

Favorite entry is RIVERDANCE, which I have seen twice live (including on St. Patrick's Day in 2005) and still listen to fairly frequently. INTOODEEP, JUSTSAYIT, EYECONTACT and OKEYDOKEY also brought a smile.

I'll go look them up at some point, but PARTSONGS, CANTAB, EYRE Square and the BOSE-Einstein condensate are completely new to me. More knowledge is good, I suppose.

Can't stand the "hidden word" clue for LANA -- just use Turner or Del Ray or whoever and be done with it. Feels like we've had a lot of clues like this recently, which seems lazy to me. If I want to solve a cryptic, I'll solve a cryptic.

Wish this had been more fun; maybe we'll get a stellar Saturday like we did last week.

Anonymous 9:12 AM  

FH
"CANTAB" is merely a demonym

Puzzle tough but satisfying to complete.

Jwaan 9:16 AM  


Print clue for 34A (HACEK) was different from what Rex quoted (and tougher)--no mention of Dvorak or anything Czech.

At least in the 90s, the only time you ever saw the word CANTAB at Harvard was when the student papers wrote articles about why people at yale called us that. I can't imagine the usage has increased since then.

puzzlehoarder 9:17 AM  

The clue in my printout was "Slavic diacritic." Sounds like someone's getting SLURRED.

Anonymous 9:19 AM  

Is THEPO the post office or Pacific Ocean? I’m from LA and I have never, ever heard that.

DrBB 9:23 AM  

Used to work as a copyeditor for a medieval studies quarterly. Lot of international submissions, so hacek ended up getting stuck in the dusty attic that is my brain.

Speaking of mustiness, I think it's worth noting that the clue and answer for 14A are all kinda blah examples of the muscle car breed. Ford Maverick? Seriously??? Plymouth Duster,okay, maybe, but couldn't we have the Barracuda, or the Roadrunner--the one with that absurdly huge rear spoiler that kept the airfoil-shaped body from going airborne at high speeds? And finally, the actual answer, CHEVYNOVA, that's the Chevy you want to go with? I mean, I owned one back in the day, small-block V8, ok, but again, kinda mid-list, vs your Camaro, SS, and obviously Corvette. I know it's about finding a model that fits in the grid, but at least the clues coulda had some more distinguished contenders. Or maybe they were trying to match the mid-list answer with mid-list clues? Either way, ho hum

pabloinnh 9:25 AM  

If you have BLURRED instead of SLURRED, you will spend some time wondering what a PARTBONG might be. I thought it might be some weird mathematical term. Also I'm with anyone who has sung choral music for a long time and never heard of a PARTSONG. I've sung two-part, three-part, four-part, and even eight-part harmony, but that is how they were described. I mean really.

I also misspelled MCCREA which made POOBAHS impossible. It took way too long to think of SCHROEDER, as for some reason I was thinking about HARPOMARX, which also fit, but makes absolutely no sense.

Highlights were writing in REPERTOIRE instantly, and also CANTAB, which popped up from I don't know where. Love when that happens.

I see th ling between ARGO and Mazola as corn.

Outside of the mysterious PARTSONGS, the only real WOE's were BOSE as clued and Ms. INNES.

A crunchy and satisfying Friday, RN. Remembering Nonessential information can be a nice surprise, so thanks for all the fun.

thfenn 9:32 AM  

Today was just proof I'm not quite where I want to be as a crossword solver. Getting there, but took a loss today.

Anonymous 9:37 AM  

Embassy, Bose, Poobahs, Lees, Háček. This puzzle was a big NO for me.

Chris Menzel 9:47 AM  

Hated it beginning to end; and not least because it took me much longer than a usual Friday!

Anonymous 9:50 AM  

Yep

Anonymous 9:51 AM  

😣

Anonymous 9:51 AM  

Maybe, you can explain why people watch the “Indy.” I sat through one in person and the only thing that kept me from thinking about how bored I was, was thinking about how hot I was. The cars go round and round. That’s about it. Are you waiting for a crash or mishap? Someone burning alive? Blood and gore? I was kinda into it the first five laps or so, but by number 500, I just wanted out desperately. Actually I wanted out at lap 6. What is the point? What is of interest?

RooMonster 9:53 AM  

Hey All !
Agree with most everyone, this was tough! Tough here, tough there, toughest in SW. Started unabashedly cheating around the 45 minute mark, as was done with the no-knows (@M&A coinage) at that point. Hit Reveal Word four times! just to finish. Dang.

I thought this group were complaining FriPuzs we're getting too easy. Welp, here ya go! 😁 Nice Toughie for ya.

I like CHEVY NOVAS, I have the rare 1976 Medalist Edition, although not currently running. But, the answer should've been the whole CHEVROLET, not just CHEVY, no?

My mom used to call me POOBAH when I was a wee lad, so that brought a smile.

Ya TORMENTed me good, Rich. You're UP ONE. Til next time...

No F's (ATG!o)
RooMonster
DarrinV

Anonymous 9:57 AM  

i was listened to Pavement's Embassy Row last night and it didn't even help me today. Puzzle -> straight in the trash

Nancy 10:00 AM  

As a NYTimes Crossword subscriber, I have access to puzzles going back to 11/1993. I've been doing them in order whenever I have some extra time after doing the daily puzzle (I am still in 1994.) As I was working on today's (3/31/2023) puzzle, I felt like I was doing one from 1994 and thought I'd picked the wrong one to do.

EdFromHackensack 10:07 AM  
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EdFromHackensack 10:15 AM  

geez. this was hard . After I got TOYPIANO I tried to fit Tom Hanks into 31D. GALa before GALE... making it OKaY which seemed Okay. Anyone who has ever been to the west of Ireland should know EYRE square - and RIVERDANCE for that matter. I hate to do it, but I googled Camus’s birthplace. Shameful, but I was getting tired and I didnt care anymore. THEPO??? I’ve been to Venice and still it seemed wrong. CANTAB was a new one for me. never heard of it before. I did not go to Harvard :).

Ride the Reading 10:17 AM  

Hard for me to judge the relative difficulty - medium mostly, but difficult in a few spots. Started it after work last night, too tired to concentrate, stalled out with the southwest mostly empty. Came back to finish this morning, and it went fairly quickly. I enjoyed this one overall, except maybe for THE PO.

But then, I'm a fan of Joel McCrea, had been watching F1 practice from Melbourne not long before starting the puzzle, and drove a Ford Maverick sometimes at work back in '70s.

The Kroger inserts for the newspaper were delivered to the store instead of to the loading dock at the paper. So another mailroom part-timer and I would drive two of the paper's blue Mavericks to Kroger to pick up the inserts, which came in (if my memory is correct) 80 boxes of 500. We'd load up the cars (trunk, back seat, floor, passenger seat) so we couldn't see anywhere but out the side window and to the front, and "race" back to the newspaper. We didn't run stop lights or signs, and weren't going all that fast. Lots of lights.

MarthaCatherine 10:29 AM  

Not only did I DNF, I BGS*

Managed to get a pretty good foothold in the SE corner, but that was it. Cheated like nobody's business, and even with some cheats in place, couldn't get any traction. Had silt for 60A, so even though I got TOYPIANO--without cheating--for 28A, couldn't get any Peanuts character to fit, much less SCHROEDER, for 31D (plus I was thinking of Linus...).

Also, I think a hacek looks more like a plain old U, not an upside-down V. That was one of my cheats, because the upside-down V is a circumflex. I'm sure someone will set me straight.

If this was the first crossword puzzle I had ever tried, I might never do another.


*Barely Got Started

Nancy 10:32 AM  

Oh, thank ETHER for you today, SCHROEDER!!! You were the entry that enabled me to finish this BEAR of a puzzle -- and not the TEDDY kind either. If only I'd thought to look at you in something vaguely resembling "due course".

This is why I'm not cut out to be a tournament-style solver. Some diabolical impulse leads me to look again and again at the clues I've already failed to answer -- while failing to see the clues I haven't looked at even once.

Anyway, SCHROEDER was a slam dunk once I had TOY PIANO (Love that clue!) In the meantime, my yet-to-be-corrected mistakes were:

1) bLURRED instead of SLURRED. But what were PART bONGS? I wasn't sure I wanted to know.

2) First MaCRae. Then, for much longer, MCCRae. Which kept me from seeing one of the few easiesh answers in the puzzle, TORMENTS. I had an "A" where the "E" should be.

3) TaD?? dEAR where TEDDY BEAR should have been. (I had NEVa)

I found this puzzle fiendishly tough and both compelling and maddening at the same time. As tough for me as many Saturdays -- or even tougher. But I "kept the faith" and managed to solve with just a single "check" of HACEK before writing it in.

mkbridge 10:33 AM  

I am distressed. A háček is a ”v” on top of a letter. An upside down “v” on top of a letter is a circumflex. Did the NYT editors not check this?

Anonymous 10:34 AM  

Different Venice, dude. It’s the river Po, in Italy

Anonymous 10:41 AM  

Couldn't get a toe hold on this one, so I checked in with Rex and was relieved to see that it wasn't just me.

Newboy 10:43 AM  

I can see the objections from commentariat above & understand Rex’s frustration, but go back and consider @Lewis for balance. Then for good measure see the backstory that Jeff Chen provided at xwordinfo. This was just a damn hard puzzle even for us old folks whose eyes have a tough time telling a breve from a HACEK anyhow!
🤔

Anonymous 10:44 AM  

Chevy Novas was in a reference to classic cars, so the old-timey aspect is OK. If the clue had been in the present tense, that would be different.

jae 10:48 AM  

Tough. I put in SCRUB with no crosses and struggled from there. Did not know ARGO as clued, CANTAB and HÁČEK (among others) were WOEs, spelling MCREA and SCHROEDER required some erasures, the cluing for the long downs was Saturday vague...so tough! The only easy section was the SE where knowing INNES was very helpful.

Liked it slightly more than @Rex did but I agree with much of his take on this one.

Anonymous 10:50 AM  

First time in my 6 decades of life seeing "CANTAB" in print....

Rug Crazy 10:51 AM  

IT SUCKED! not in a literary way

Robin 10:54 AM  

EMBASSY Row is well known, to those of us who read the news, as the location of many embassies on Washington D.C.

Never once thought of CHEVYNOVAS as classic cars, although the comparable models in the clue are, meh? I guess this is just the old definition of classics, "more than X years old" and not "that was a great car in olden days". I mean, WTH is a Plymouth Duster?

Ditto on HACEK vs Hasek, although my initial thought on seeing that clue was, "Is it a caret or a caron? I can never remember."

Joel MCCREA, great actor -- not a great clue. And as much I'd like to agree with you about Jean Arthur, as I once did, I've read a biography of her and, whoa, what a flake. So now my heart belongs to Myrna Loy.

I still don't get PARTSONGS. Is it supposed to mean, part of a medley?

Thank God for SCHROEDER, because having got that, it gave me TOYPIANO and a claw hold into the NE.

bocamp 10:55 AM  

Thx, Rich, for a fine Fri. puz; lots of crunch! :)

Med+

Not on R.N.'s wavelength for much of this one.

Found the greater SW pretty tough. SCHROEDER finally came to the rescue. 🎹

Always have trouble sp SISAL, e.g., SISle, SISeL.

Unknowns/hazies/learnings: ARGO; BOSE; HACEK; INNES; RIVER DANCE; EYRE; MCCREA (sp); VAL; AVIA; ORD; CANTAB.

The 'N' at the CANTAB / INNES cross was my final fill. Couldn't see anything but 'N' working there, so correct guess.

Mom had a CHEVY NOVA.

Enjoyed today's challenge! :)
___
Peace 🕊 🇺🇦 ~ Compassion ~ Tolerance ~ Kindness to all 🙏

Anonymous 11:03 AM  

Ugh. Longest time to solve a Friday in a long time. I screwed myself in the southeast corner when I couldn’t bring myself to remove DYNASTY as the answer to “row house?” A family (house) with a line (row) of succession? C’mon!

Old Jock 11:06 AM  

A final exam crossword for age 50 and above. You had to work it…2 hours to complete. Let the underaged whine. We need a few of these to level the daily playing field. Sorry Rex…

Anon 11:11 AM  

Nearly impossible. No fun. OKEYDOKEY? SCRUB? PARTSONGS? CANTAB? Cluing AND answers sometimes seems just...off, even if occassionally clever. Too much weirdness to get a bite into this.

mathgent 11:14 AM  

@Anon (8:07). C'mon down. We've got a nice piece of cake for you.

Hard without much fun.

There is a BOHR-Einstein something that is a condensate. I was sure it was right until I got REPOS at 3D.

REPETOIRE wouldn't fit. Is the R silent?

GILL I. 11:18 AM  

So this is my solving experience:
First entry GOOGLE MAP. And guess what?...none of the downs made any sense. Gee, I wonder why. Do I cheat right off the bat or try for something else....
Try for something else: Nope...nothing popping out. Oh wait! I got TOY PIANO. A curtain parted. Tip-toe in. Do I continue or do I knock on @Nancy's door wall...I'll keep trying; nothing looks right, though.
I waltzed all over the place. Let me try the NW. Oh LOOK...SCHROEDER!. He was my favorite. But what answers go across? Call a cheat friend because I didn't know ETHER nor MCCREA. [Sigh]....
So many doovers. Why isn't it SERTA. Why isn't it TIC. What is a HACEK. Why isn't it GOLDEN age? What's this CANTAB thingie. Who the hell is BOSE....
Try digging for some sweet fresh clams and only finding dead slugs. Yup, this was my Friday.

Anonymous 11:19 AM  

One of the worst puzzles ever. First time in years simply walked away from a Friday puzzle , just not for me.

Bob Mills 11:21 AM  

Once I got INC after "Apple," I was home, after debating between PIE and MAC for almost an hour. The cluing for the prefix to "card" suggested money, so I didn't get DIS for a long while.'

Tough puzzle. Felt satisfying to finish without cheating.

Gary Jugert 11:24 AM  

Nope. Not for me. A great morning on Go-ogle.

Kinda hard to narrow down what email scam a generic clue might be referencing.

I love the upper three stack and hate the lower three stack. This is how life in the crosswords works. So much drama.

I love JUST SAY IT.

I looked up the logo for DECCA imagining I'd find it made out of musical notes, but it's just letters. Quite disappointing.

I do so love Schroeder and toy pianos and once wrote a longish composition for the old-school toy pianos for a competition -- which of course I didn't win.

NKs: ARGO, BOSE, HACEK, SISAL, AIDA, LANA, INNES, EYRE, VAL, NEVE, ORD, CANTAB.

Ug: DIS and INC teaming up to destroy the southwest. The Po (What's your idea of "near Venice?" Do you mean "Nowhere near Venice?" Ah.)

Uniclues:

1 The appearance of self-inflicted poverty.
2 The Acoustic Wave on the fritz.
3 Demonstrates one can be in politics despite having paid no attention in 8th grade science.
4 Stuffed animal with mad skills.
5 Be fat on purpose.
6 Sounded good.
7 Fast guy thinking he matters.

1 CHEVY NOVAS LOOK
2 BOSE SLURRED
3 TORMENTS CDC
4 SPRY TEDDY BEAR
5 SCRUB DIET PILLS
6 PART SONGS ACED
7 INANE ROAD RACER (~)

Jens Arneson 11:34 AM  

@anon 9:19 THEPO is the Po river, the largest river in Italy, which ends near Venice

Unknown 11:35 AM  

This was terrible and terribly dated. Did not help that (to me, since I'm from there) the obvious 5 letter answer to "It ends near Venice" is not THEPO, but ADIGE: the second longest Italian river that, you know, also ends near Venice.

Anonymous 11:40 AM  

The Po is the longest river in Italy.

Dr.A 11:40 AM  

Boo!!! Not a favorite. Agree with Rex today. 100%

Beezer 11:49 AM  

Wow. This puzzle whooped my rear-end from start to finish! I think I’m in the age group that the “agey-ness” shouldn’t have mattered but so much just was not in my wheelhouse and I can’t blame the constructor. Not sayin’ it’s wrong, but I was in high school when the Duster and Maverick came out and didn’t see them as comparable to the Nova so I thought of the AMC Hornet.

Ok. The clue for 34A in the NYT app said “diacritical mark over the R in Dvorak” (nothing about Slavic) so I put in “caron” and stubbornly kept it there (i didn’t know HÁČEK but MAYBE I would’ve erased caron. Ah well.

@puzzlehoarder…how are people “ego driven” when they confess to Googling to finish a puzzle? If I were ego driven, I think I’d just pretend like I actually knew the damned answer. Well, let’s just say that in my case today, even Google couldn’t help me finish.

I applaud everyone who finished the puzzle today! I shall now go over to the corner and put on my dunce cap…🤣

beverly c 11:55 AM  

The highlight of this puzzle was that it reminded me of this poem.
https://calvin.edu/news/archive/waka-waka-bang-splat-

And Joel McCrea
Nice clip Rex.

I had to use google on this one. No idea on HACEK or CANTAB. Or SCHROEDER - his piano fits him.
I was happy to figure out the NW and SE. INTOODEEP gets a thumbs up.

Anonymous 12:02 PM  

Add me to the “not a fan” list.
And for completeness, since nobody has mentioned it yet, they tried selling the Nova in South America but were puzzled by lack of sales. Then someone realized that “no va” means “doesn’t go” in Spanish.

Masked and Anonymous 12:04 PM  

Rich Norris is a crossword icon dude. Good to see him back in action, even tho he served us up a pretty feisty FriPuz. More fun than the DMV.
Had the no-knows, allrightie. At our house, they included: HACEK. INNES. EYRE. VAL. PARTSONGS. CANTAB. BOSE.
Had the sneaky clues, too boot. fave ones: TOYPIANO clue. SEALY clue. DATA clue.

staff weeject pick: VAL. French stuff, rather than yer normal Prince VALiant nickname clue. If U want fresh clues, don't go all French-Ow de Speration on us … go for the Double ??-marker clue. Example: {Backed-up potty??} = VAL. See that? Fresh, rather than French.

Alas, PART SONG is indeed in the Official M&A Help Desk Dictionary. Definition was kinda deep, tho: "an unaccompanied secular song with three or more voice parts, typically homophonic rather than contrapuntal in style." Wooosh [sound of stuff mostly goin right over M&A's head.]

Thanx for comin back to stump us, Mr. Norris dude. Keep it up. It is good for us teddybears to suffer. har

Masked & Anonymo4Us


**gruntz**

Nancy 12:05 PM  

@pabloinnh -- We had such a similar solving experience today -- making what would seem like the exact same mistakes. Biggest differences? You had trouble with SCHROEDER whereas I knew him right away. Whereas CANTAB "popped up" for you and I've never heard the term in my life.

Whichever Anon said that they couldn't pick the CHEVY NOVA out of a lineup: I'll trade places with you in a New York minute -- being someone who can't pick any car out of a lineup. Well, maybe a 1950s Cadillac (tail fins!) or a 1950s Buick (portholes!) -- but that's about it. And, no, I'm really not kidding. Even the old Volkswagon bug -- well, don't they have cars these days that are just as teensy-tiny and squashed-looking?

kitshef 12:08 PM  

@Anon 9:51. I am with you on the racing sentiment. I must point out, though, that there are only 200 laps (covering 500 miles).

Anonymous 12:17 PM  

Yesterday’s GAH BLAST was the worst clue ever. Today’s GALE BLAST at least made sense, but today’s whole puzzle was such a colossal GAH BLAST that it did not matter. And PARTSONG is now in the running for all-time stinkers.🤢

CWT 12:37 PM  

Much the same experience as most of us. Hard hard hard! Took a stab at one clue, got nervous and did “check word “: every single letter wrong! Tried another guess, checked it: not a single letter correct! In sum: my first five attempts to enter an answer produced not one single correct letter! This is at 11:30 p.m., my first bout with insomnia. A half hour later, with maybe eight or ten correct entries, I threw in the towel. Sorry, Rich! (who by the way also graciously helped me with my first and only published crossword puzzle in the L.A.T. 7/21/2011).
Three hours later, woke up and breezed through the rest of the puzzle. Funny how that works.
Had no trouble with CANTAB, having studied at both Cambridges, loved POOBAHS and OKEYDOKEY because I’m of that age, knew RIVERDANCE because that silly show was a running joke back in the day. ALGERIA was a gimme, since everyone in college in 1959 read every word Camus wrote, tossing the word “existentialism” around just to show how cool we were.
A true slog, but feeling better about it now that the pain has worn off.

Beezer 12:41 PM  

Btw. I apologize if this was already mentioned but Rich Norris received the 2023 MEmoRiaL Award at the ACPT. So. VERY timely for this puzzle to be published!

JoshyJosh 12:53 PM  

A gala is a big party (a "blast") and "okay" is perfectly acceptable for "okaydokey". Granted it's not a *better* answer than what the puzzle wanted but it still works, so that made trying to figure out why I hadn't finished exhausting. Otherwise fully agree, this puzzle was teleported here from 25 years ago. Unpleasant to solve.

Nancy 1:00 PM  

1) A really overrated brand of radio. Here's why...

2) First one GOP pol does it and then another and then another -- which is why the U.S health system is going to hell in a handbasket.

3) Rambunctious tots try to tear it to shreds -- but it's as indestructible as it is adorable.

4) A "let the chips fall where they may" state of mind





1) BOSE SLURRED

2) TORMENTS CDC

3) SPRY TEDDY BEAR

4) MOOD: JUST SAY IT

Anonymous 1:01 PM  

Good grief. First time in years a Friday took me over an hour.

Anonymous 1:08 PM  

Exactly my sentiments

A 1:14 PM  

Couldn’t DISagree more with OFL. This was a real puzzle, like they should be. A great chip away solve - sometimes just one square at a time. Wish it had run on a Saturday.

Learned a lot: CANTAB, INNES, NEVE, HACEK, Camus’ birthplace (but didn’t like the extra “s” in Camus’s - unnecessary and ugly to boot), New York ASTER. I also learned Apple INC has no comma, which, believe it or not, kept me from that answer for a while. OKEY DOKEY, I will grant that disappointed. Was I the only one who wanted Apple pie?

@Roo “POOBAH,” I thought the same re CHEVrolet - why didn’t we get a “familiarly” or some such? Is it Saturday after all?

@Nancy, I had the same MaCRae/MCCRae/MCCREA progression. Thank goodness for erasable ink.

I hadn’t heard the term PART SONGS since music history class, but it is a real thing. Before that, the popular forms such as madrigals were more contrapuntal, i.e. not “Blended.” It’s actually a great clue if you know choral music history. Devilish otherwise. Mwahahaha!

Today I learned “glee” is a type of song and that’s where we get the term “glee clubs.”

From britannica.com
glee, (from Old English gléo: “music” or “entertainment,” used in this sense in Beowulf), vocal composition for three or more unaccompanied solo male voices, including a countertenor. It consists of several short sections of contrasting character or mood, each ending in a full close, or cadence, and its text is often concerned with eating and drinking. In style it is homophonic—i.e., based on chords rather than on interwoven melodies.

The glee is a purely English form and together with the catch, or round, it made up the greater part of the repertory of the glee clubs once prominent in English musical life.

Speaking of countertenors, this isn’t a glee but it gave me some.

Thrilled to finish this one with no help, and I look forward to the next Rich Norris challenge.

Anonymous 1:14 PM  

Did skew old, but so do I, so I also enjoyed it

Anonymous 1:27 PM  

What’s funny to me is that when he was LAT editor the puzzles were pretty much always doable. Since leaving he has done a couple puzzles and like this one they have been borderline too hard and really not enjoyable… my opinion anyway

Tom T 1:38 PM  

I'm with @RooMonster on this one. Beyond my pay scale, several "Reveal Words" required. If the INNES crossing CANTAB isn't a Natick, I don't know what is.

Anonymous 1:55 PM  

Yet another constructor failing to show us how smart they are. I’d add more, but I have to get back into the Time Machine to go back to an age when any of these clues were recent.

Not often I agree with every word from our Fearless Leader….today is the day.

And also…”part songs”?….let’s just make stuff up!!!

Anonymous 1:56 PM  

Me too

Anonymous 2:09 PM  

I sang choir, a cappella, and barbershop music for years, most of which fits the definition (if I understand it correctly), and I have never, not once in my life, heard the term “part songs.” This puzzle should have stayed in that drawer.

okanaganer 2:15 PM  

I did this after dinner last night and it was brutal! I thought it was the 2 glasses of wine I had before dinner (sitting in the sun in a t-shirt; first time this year!) but it sounds like the puzzle was actually hard too.

My maiden aunt (isn't that a quaint phrase?) who never married and lived with her mother into her 60s, drove a 1960s NOVA. Once when I was a kid she was driving me somewhere and slammed on the brake to avoid going thru a yellow light. There were no shoulder belts so my forehead slammed into the dashboard, which was made of cast iron, I believe.

I got BOSE-Einstein condensate from the Big Bang Theory... they were always mentioning it. Hands up for SERTA before SEALY. Never heard of ARGO. I had CARET for the diacritic and was flabbergasted it wasn't correct. But now I see; a HACEK is an upside down caret.

[Spelling Bee: yd 0, my last word this variant 7er. QB streak 5 days; hi @puzzlehoarder.]

Anonymous 2:17 PM  

So uhhh did anyone else get worried that 29 down was going to be “dick pills”?

Anonymous 2:19 PM  

My brain on overthinking themeless mode: BLURRED makes sense, and maybe PORT BONGS are some kind of super-alcoholic mixed drinks (that would make you feel numb... hence "numbers").

All the ANDYs and ANNES of the world are disappointed by that CANTAB/INNES Natick that could've been made at least *slightly* more tolerable by changing that INDY/INNES crossing to an A.

Anonymous 2:23 PM  

Also in London

ghostoflectricity 2:33 PM  

I love "The More The Merrier," but I have to ignore Charles Coburn's well-documented (offscreen) racism and general right-wing unpleasantness to enjoy it. McCrea was even better in Hitchcock's "Foreign Correspondent" (1940) and Preston Sturges's "Sullivan's Travels" (with Veronica Lake!).

Anonymous 2:41 PM  

I think demonyms are cool - especially the ones that are hard to guess - Michigander!

Anonymous 2:48 PM  

We had a Plymouth Duster when I was a teen - what a heap of junk! Many times we had to pry open a flap under the hood (sorry, don't know car parts!) in order to start the damn thing! The first car I bought was Datsun, then have had two Toyota Camrys. My first one lasted 18 years (the transmission finally wore out) and I've had my current one for 17 years - still going strong!

Anonymous 2:50 PM  

A gyros platter would be a reward, not a punishment! Yum!

Liveprof 3:02 PM  

Someone mentioned yesterday that Mike LUM is the only player ever to pinch hit for Hank Aaron, but this is a misconception based on an error in a press report. When Lum did it, Lee Maye had also done it, as well as Johnny Blanchard. And Johnny Briggs, Marty Perez, and Mike Hegan did it after Lum.
Lum made good use of his moment of fame --- he hit a 2-run double.

Also, Lum was the first ever major league player of Japanese descent. He was born in Hawaii, but his mom was Japanese.

LenFuego 3:16 PM  

Not a fan of clueing that is intentionally obtuse without being clever. When you got your answers in this one, you said “ummm, ok, I guess” rather than “a-ha!”. That’s the difference between a fun puzzle and a slog.

Anonymous 3:33 PM  

Mazola corn oil (1911) is one of four brands of ACH Food Companies, Inc (1995). Their other brands are Argo corn starch (1892), Karo corn syrup (1902), and Fleischmann's yeast (1868). HQ is Oakbrook Terrace, IL. ACH is an American subsidiary of the multinational Associated British Foods (ABF) which was founded in 1935. Obviously, the four brands preceded the existence of ABF and ACH, but such is the game of mergers and acquisitions!

Anonymous 3:35 PM  

You're 20 years late for the heyday of those clunkers!

MichGirl 3:41 PM  

I hated thus puzzle. Not one joyful moment.

Anonymous 3:43 PM  

I had the same experience with the Plymouth Duster! Needed two people in the car at all times in order to deal with the under-the-hood issue. Can't tell you how many times my dad had it repaired! But it would fail again in no time...
I did not remember that factoid from Larry of Araby! I was so young when I first watched it, so that went right over my head. I just thought he was a racist murderer!

Anonymous 4:18 PM  

I liked this puzzle but bogged down in the NW where I put in SST in 6D and then gpssystem in 1A. Chevy Novas are anything but classic.

Anonymous 4:19 PM  

Ditto

JonB3 4:19 PM  

Had 1D as bteam before SCRUB. Totally messed up the NW for long time.

MetroGnome 4:36 PM  

Who is LANA and when/where/why does s/he "call an audible"?

Gary Jugert 4:44 PM  

@puzzlehoarder 8:16 AM
Here's a little trophy for you from a dedicated Googler. 🏆 I'm humbled to be on the same planet as you. @Anonymous 9:00 AM : +1

Anonymous 4:47 PM  

Not related to the Popo 👮😂

old timer 4:55 PM  

HACEK was new to me. Placed over certain consonants it changes the pronunciation. In DVORAK, the HACEK changes the R to "rzh" more or less.

CANTAB was not new to me. You see it often in British sports reporting, meaning "The Cambridge varsity team". They compete with the Oxford (Oxonian?) team in many sports, not just rowing their SHELLS on a river. There is a Holmes story, "The Missing Three-Quarter, about the unexplained disappearance of a CANTAB Rugby player. The story positively gushes over the sacredness of amateur sports at Universities, and indeed the ending is pretty schmaltzy too.

I groaned over the lame JUSTSAYIT.

Carola 5:09 PM  

Tough and enjoyable, in a "the pleasures of brain-racking" way, with at me,too DNF at GALe (I never checked the cross, as OKaY looked...okay). I got the rest thanks to a combination of: being old (MCCREA), copy-editing concert programs (HACEK), being a part-time Anglophile (CANTAB), taking French in college (ALGERIA), loving opera (AIDA), having a husband whose online handle is @POOBAH (ironic) and a father-in-law whose career was at Corn Products Intl. (makers of Mazola and ARGO corn starch), and remembering TOY PIANO from a recent puzzle. Last in, and my favorite: IN TOO DEEP.

Gary Jugert 5:12 PM  

@Nancy 1:00 PM
I am behind on reading comments, but I did see your kind and helpful post about crossword collaboration a couple of days back. It's a giddy thought to imagine being handed a completed grid with no clues and being told to "go for it." Sounds like heaven. Looking forward to seeing your next gems.

Doxma33 5:20 PM  

I’ve always thought that scene from “The More The Merrier” to be THE sexiest scene of all movies. Fully clothed. Sitting on a stoop. And yes, Joel MCrea andJean Arthur were a gorgeous sexy couple. Thanks!

Sam Ross 5:30 PM  

48 minute (!) slog. Not a fun one. Same complaints as many other commenters - CANTAB, DECCA, INNES, POOBAHS (wheel???), PART SONGS. Really did not enjoy this.

Anonymous 6:08 PM  

100%
Perfect Friday puzzle.
Rex way off base yet again.

Anonymous 6:24 PM  

My print version had, “Diacritic over a letter that looks like an upside-down ‘v’”; except it’s NOT upside down.

egsforbreakfast 7:12 PM  

I thought I was on acid when I saw this from @Lewis:

This puzzle? Whoof.

Since he has never found a nit to pick with any puzzle that I can remember, I was shocked that he called this a dog. But I think he is using “Whoof” to mean “Pheww”.

I actually liked taming this beast and I’m pretty surprised at the overwhelming negative sentiment. Thanks, Rich Norris, for a really fun Friday.

dgd 7:19 PM  

I only have seen Cantabrian in reference to Cambridge, England & the university. Never CANTAB
and never in reference to Harvard people or Cambridge,MA. (I have a close relative there and have been there often) I got all the crosses and then remembered the English term. Grad > CANTAB and all that. I would assume it has been used in the US but maybe semi jokingly?
Agree tough puzzle. Very challenging and I was lucky to finish. But that clue/answer was a little too obscure I think.
I had no fixed idea how MCCREA was spelled -and was confusing the actor with the one in Oklahoma! So I was lucky there.

TAB2TAB 7:21 PM  

Extraordinarily out of my wheelhouse. I had to count them - *seventeen* answers that have absolutely no frame of reference for me as clued - and that's just too many to be able to make up for it in the crosses. DNF DNF DNF. I don't think I've needed more 'help' (Google, Check Puzzles, etc) since I first started solving a few years back. Ouch.

Mr. Benson 7:21 PM  

I had “DUCK!” for “Attention-getting cry” and think that would be a way better answer there.

Anonymous 7:26 PM  

But highly obscure in the US.

Moochie 7:35 PM  

I hated the puzzle. I thought many of the clues were unfair. But thanks, Rex, for reminding me about Jean Arthur. Love her. Right up there with Margaret Sullavan in my book. Also agree with you about Teri Garr.

Anonymous 7:40 PM  

Upside-down v is a circumflex, not a hacek. A hacek isn't upside-down. How can so many commenters not notice this??

OlympiasEpiriot 7:44 PM  

The print clue was wrong because it said "diacritic over a letter that looks like and upsidedown v". A hacek looks like a miniature v. An upsidedown v is a circumflex.

Very annoying.

Sasha Lišková 7:46 PM  

This one's funny. I have a HACEK in my name. Being not-actually-Czech (it's complicated) I filled in CARON, which is another name for the same diacritic. It crossed with ALGERIA so I figured it was fine. Nope. The very last clue I finished. And I thought I was so smart.

dgd 7:52 PM  

The clue is BIG wheel. It might be another one of those once common expressions that aren't anymore, at least for younger people. He's a big wheel in that organization etc. So the clue is valid.

OlympiasEpiriot 7:58 PM  

Terrible set of clues and more silly words. THE PO, indeed. (⁠ب⁠_⁠ب)

I think this is the 3rd time this week SPRY has been in a puzzle.

OlympiasEpiriot 8:00 PM  

Her name is *in* "call an audible", like so: calL AN Audible.

Anonymous 8:09 PM  

You’re only as old as you fill?

damsel 8:20 PM  

One of my most hated puzzles in recent memory. Total DNF; full of trivia I had no way of getting, especially that miserable SE corner where CANTAB INNES INDY DECCA AIDA all cross. I don't know what *any* of those are. Tons of rewrites: LIENS before REPOS, TRAPPED before INTOODEEP, SILT before LEES, FONERACER before ROADRACER (at least I had the back half). Horrible and I know it's horrible when half the terms i couldn't get I don't even *recognize*.

Anonymous 8:29 PM  

I live on McCrea road. used to be part of hir ranch. !

burtonkd 8:47 PM  

Today, I had to work this puzzle in short bursts because I kept getting pulled away. Every time I came back to it, a whole bunch of answers were suddenly magically obvious whereas there was previously only TORMENT. I love the feeling of resistance and overcoming it. I showed a few people CANTAB, and apparently neither or those closest to me keep elevated enough company or at least Brit enough to know this one...

Anonymous 9:23 PM  

I often come here for validation when I…less-than-love the puzzle, but never & I mean NEVER has OP his my personal nail of disappointment so squarely on its frustrated little head. Good grief! *with a hat tip to Peanuts*

puzzlehoarder 9:32 PM  

Couldn't you put that into a uniclue?

Anonymous 9:39 PM  

Wow, this was painful. Could only fill about a quarter until I packed it in and came here. The only reason I knew HACEK is because I have a Czech. Very curious about the percent of Americans for whom this is common knowledge. ("Háček" means "hook," and Czech is the only language with an ř.)

Anonymous 9:58 PM  

Yea really bad

Anonymous 10:04 PM  

Yup

creosote 10:35 PM  

Unsolvable.

dm3000 11:45 PM  

Probably a sticky automatic choke on the carburetor. A little Gumout or perhaps a rebuilt carb would've fixed it. Dusters were great cars.

Anonymous 12:05 AM  

WOE?

Sam Ross 2:54 AM  

Just finished the Saturday puzzle up late on the west coast. I wonder if this Friday puzzle was part of the joke?

Anonymous 5:34 AM  

Hacek is COMPLETELY BOGUS b/c the PRINT VERSION of the Times had a TOTALLY DIFFERENT CLUE that did not mention Dvorak (nor any other Czech word) at all!

The PRINT VERSION's clue said: "diacritic over a letter that looks like an upsidedown 'v'"!

That is a major error. Therefore, IMO, Mr. Shortz blew it completely on the editing, and the result was an un-do-able puzzle. Go sit in the dunce corner, Will - and don't come out until you can do your job correctly.

Anonymous 8:51 AM  

The worst NYT puzzle this geriatric Millennial has ever encountered. I’m speechless. By the late across clues I was legit expecting (hoping?) for some cutesy revealer that this was the April Fools puzzle one day early. smh

Hank 10:47 AM  

Thanks for your CANTAB clarification. It is only used in reference to Cambridge in UK and most often to differentiate between a snobby degree from one of the colleges in Cambridge and one of the colleges in Oxford, abbreviated Oxon.

Sam Ross 11:07 AM  

I think it was!

CrossMom 11:35 AM  

Probably no one will see this at this point, but PART SONGS are just songs written for multiple voices (or “parts”), where the melody is in the highest voice, and the other voices sing harmonies — like most church hymns and much choral music. The term wouldn’t have any purpose today, necessarily, but it’s valid in historical context. I was a music major and remember the term from music history courses.

Anonymous 2:16 PM  

Slant six

Anonymous 3:14 PM  

I was stuck for hours. Never heard of McCrea nor Val de Loire and Tunis was tricky without the T in toy piano but I didn’t get the joke cause…what else is a plastic key?” And didn’t know if it was Sisil and tic or Sisal and Tac so I mean….we all gave up. (I was doing this with a group) Rex was 100% right, but congrats on knowing what a sisal is and how to spell McCrea.

Anonymous 3:17 PM  

Who said they were punishing themselves? I think it’s curative. From the slings of a slogging Saturday, we need a meaty poultice.

Anonymous 3:20 PM  

Ditto on McCrea. I actually spelled in McCrae even after looking it up cause there was a typo on the internet that spelled tin”McCray” and so I merged the two. I was stuck so badly. Especially since I had “in the deep” so two wrong answers there made for a blocked up mess.

Anonymous 3:28 PM  

I’m really sad we didn’t get to see a reference to Blizzards cowboy character McCrea. That would have modernized it but also tipped hat to the original actor.

Anonymous 6:27 PM  

A háček is a diacritical mark (used in the word háček) in the shape of a V, not an INVERTED V! A rare slip-up.

Anonymous 8:15 PM  

Yes to everything Rex said. This was one where even after I completed some answers I had no moment of recognition. Poobahs? Argo? I do sing choral music, and partsong is no longer a term in use. Kept trying to fill in DECCA with solfège syllables, not letters from A-G. I didn’t know toy pianos were a thing; I just thought Charles Schulz drew Schroeder hunched over a small Steinway as a comic illustrator’s exaggeration. Not familiar with scams selling diet pills; guess my email filters have always caught those. If you’re going to go retro, go with iconic figures. Who remembers Laura INNES? Tried Apple PAY. Yuck all around.

Anonymous 2:22 AM  

Yep

Anonymous 3:27 AM  

I understand that a TOY PIANO has plastic keys. But I don't understand how "plastic keys?" is a clue for a toy piano. Admittedly, the insight of TOY PIANO versus SCHROEDER was a wonderful "aha" moment for me, but it was the only bright spot in this grid. The clue for LANA was bizarre; THE PO was a huge disappointment. Sigh.

Anonymous 10:49 AM  

He was a great NHLER. Hall-of-fame goaltender Dominik Hašek also has a HACEK in his name.

Anonymous 11:11 AM  

I just read Rex’s review and realized I had the same thought about Dominik Hašek and the HACEK. Great minds?
PS - So did Jeff Chen…

spacecraft 11:52 AM  

I had cArEt where HACEK was supposed to be. Change was forced by the downs. Never heard of it, but it was (whew!) right. Ditto for CANTAB, from acrosses. Went too fast in the SW, writing DIETPlanS instead of PILLS. Still, got it done--with myriad triumph points accrued.

Mini auto racing theme (INDY, ROADRACER). People ask why anyone would sit that long watching cars go around and around. I certainly wouldn't, but let's be truthful: they WANT to see horrible crashes--and the worse, the better! Me? I can't stop thinking about the colossal waste. They travel 500 miles--and they never leave the oval! And in the process consume untold volumes of fuel! How many cold homes could that stuff heat? And for what? To see who gets there the fastest? Bah.

Challenging, but helped along a bit by the cross-reference of SCHROEDER and his TOYPIANO. Lots of old stuff, but hey, that includes me. Birdie.

Wordle par this time.

Anonymous 12:51 PM  

Thank you!!!

Burma Shave 1:03 PM  

IN THE MOOD

HE made EYECONTACT with VAL,
now she TORMENTS poor EDDY.
JUST ONE LOOK at THE gal
and he CLUNGTO her TEDDY.

--- LANA LEE SCHROEDER

Anonymous 1:17 PM  

Nothing to redeem this one. Rejected with prejudice.

rondo 2:39 PM  

A hard puz, the kind that TORMENTS more than entertains. I owned both a Ford Maverick and a CHEVYNOVA so I don't see how they rivaled each other. My CHEVYNOVA had a powerful 350 V8 as compared to the Maverick's puny straight 6. And more interior room. That's why I CLUNGTO first answer in CHEVYvegAS for so long; and UGGS made a good but wrong cross where AVIA finally went in. I think they squeezed a 302 V8 into a few Mavericks. You could find many Plymouth Dusters with a 340 V8, so I'll buy that comparison.

rondo 4:32 PM  

Circled: NEVE Campbell
Wordle birdie

Anonymous 5:43 PM  

Loved the puzzle!
Very very hard, both in cluing and answers.
Most Chevy Nova owners I knew, were guys that had souped them up to the max.
Argo was almost, but not quite a gimme, since I'm from Illinois. I said out loud in my head, Mazola Corn Oil, which finally got me to say, Argo Corn Starch. Both over 100 years old and still on the shelves.

Diana, LIW 7:20 PM  

The puzzle won fair and square today, but I learned some new stuff - like Camus being born in ALGERIA of all places!

Lady Di

Anonymous 1:37 PM  

I am 83 years old. Thought it was great!

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