Brazilian actress Sonia / MON 3-27-23 / Stark daughter on Game of Thrones / Cold War contest featuring Sputnik and Apollo / Crude outbuilding

Monday, March 27, 2023

Constructor: Simon Marotte and Trenton Lee Stewart

Relative difficulty: Easy? Sure, easy


THEME: A completely implausible game of 20 Questions where all the answers are bands whose names follow the pattern [verb]ING [noun] —

Theme answers:
  • COUNTING CROWS (19A: "Does the name contain an animal?" YES. "Is it a band fronted by Adam Duritz?" YES!)
  • SMASHING PUMPKINS (31A: With 45-Across, "Does the name contain a vegetable?" YES. "Is it a band fronted by Billy Corgan?" YES!)
  • ROLLING STONES (59A: "Does the name contain a mineral?" YES. "Is it a band fronted by Mick Jagger?" YES!)
Word of the Day: COUNTING CROWS (19A) —

Counting Crows is an American rock band from San Francisco, California. Formed in 1991, the band consists of guitarist David Bryson, drummer Jim Bogios, vocalist Adam Duritz, keyboardist Charlie Gillinghammulti-instrumentalist David Immerglück, bass guitarist Millard Powers, and guitarist Dan Vickrey. Past members include the drummers Steve Bowman (1991–1994) and Ben Mize (1994–2002), and bass guitarist Matt Malley (1991–2005).

Counting Crows gained popularity following the release of its first album, August and Everything After(1993). With the breakthrough hit single "Mr. Jones" (1993), the album sold more than 7 million copies in the United States. The band received two Grammy Awards nominations in 1994, one for "Best Rock Performance by a Duo or Group with Vocal" (for "Round Here") and one for "Best New Artist". The follow-up album, Recovering the Satellites, reached number one on the US Billboard 200 album chart and reached number one in several other countries. All but one of their subsequent albums reached the top 10 on the Billboard 200 list.

Their hit singles include the aforementioned "Mr. Jones" as well as "Rain King", "A Long December", "Hanginaround", and a cover version of Joni Mitchell's "Big Yellow Taxi". Counting Crows received a 2004 Academy Award nomination for the single "Accidentally in Love", which was included in the film Shrek 2. The band has sold more than 20 million albums and is known for its dynamic live performances. Billboard has also ranked the band as the 8th greatest Adult Alternative Artist of all time. (wikipedia)

• • •

"Wow, we're really committing to this '90s bands thing, aren't we? Yesterday, THIRD EYE BLIND, and now ... this." That was my main thought after first COUNTING CROWS and then SMASHING PUMPKINS came into view. Then came ROLLING STONES and the apparent thematic consistency went out the window. But OK, "blanking blanks" bands, that's almost a thing. Then, I looked at the actual theme clues (oh, right, so I was solving Downs-only, as per my normal Monday habit, sorry to bury the lede). I don't ... I don't know ... I can hardly begin to describe the number of ways that this theme does not work. First, that is not how you play "20 Questions." That's not even how you play "Animal, Vegetable, Mineral." In the latter, the answerer *tells* the questioner at the start of the game what category (A, V, or M) the object falls under. There is no scenario in which a questioner would ask "Does the name contain an animal?" Also, "Does the name..."??? This implies that somehow the range of answers has already been pre-limited to names, which is also not how "20 Q" or "AVM" works. If you're just playing "20 Q," you might use your first Q to ask "Animal, Vegetable, or Mineral?" but you'd never ask anything remotely resembling these questions. The entire imagined context for the game is bizarre, and the game itself resembles nothing humans actually play. 


The very (impressively) narrow category of the actual themers (i.e. bands with names that follow the [verb]ING [nouns] pattern) loses all its tightness once it's been shoe-horned into this contrived game scenario. Why would such a game play out in a series of "[verb]ING [nouns]" bands??? Two more problems that make this theme D.O.A. First, it's *THE* ROLLING STONES. The other bands are perfect as is, but the name of the band is *THE* ROLLING STONES, so it's technically clued inaccurately. Lastly, pumpkins are not vegetables, they are fruits. Yes, if you were *actually* playing "Animal Vegetable Mineral" (which, as we've established, you definitely aren't), then "PUMPKINS" would fall under "Vegetable" because it fits that category much better than the others. But the question as you have dreamed it up here is "Does the name contain a vegetable?" and since we are dealing with PUMPKINS the answer is "absolutely not." I feel like if you'd just stuck to the "[verb]ING [nouns]" rock band thing and clued ROLLING STONES "with 'The'" and found a different overall cluing gimmick, you might have something here. But the attempt to force this to be a game of "Animal Vegetable Mineral" just doesn't come off on the page. It's like the clues were written by AI and not by humans who had actually played human games before.


The grid is just fine–clean and smooth, and my only objection is to SANSA. My ongoing grudge against all "GOT"-related fill just won't die. Do you know how many damn names we're gonna be dealing with from that show (for god knows how many years)? LANNISTER and STARK and NED, sure, but then not just SANSA but DAENERYS TYRION CERSEI JON SNOW ARYA ROBB BRAN and god help you when they get into the tertiary characters. I'm not a fan of how deep into the "Star Wars" universe I have to crawl to learn all the crossword names, but at least "Star Wars" has some right: it's an institution, a universe that spans almost a half-century of movies, TV shows, products etc. etc. "GOT," big as it was, never had an audience larger than the average audience of "Home Improvement" circa 1993 (36.3 million viewers / week!), and how many of those characters' names do you remember? Uh ... Wilson? Was that someone? Sigh. I cleared out that NE corner and plugged the puzzle into my own construction software and whaddya know, SANSA rose straight to the top of suggestions for me too. It's just ... sometimes you gotta override your machine helper monkeys. 
Maybe SANSA is no worse than BRAGA, I don't know (52D: Brazilian actress Sonia). But Sonia BRAGA is a real person, and I know her, so I'm more favorably inclined toward her. From a Downs-only perspective, SANSA is miserable if you don't know it ("TANSA? TARSA?"), but I managed to pull it from somewhere. No other part of the grid gave me any trouble—about the easiest Downs-only solve I've had to date. I needed to infer a bunch of Acrosses in order to see SLIDESHOW (35D: TED talk accompaniment, often), but that's fairly normal where longer Downs are concerned. I was slowed, but not stymied or flummoxed or otherwise stopped. SPACE RACE was easier to come by (3D: Cold War contest featuring Sputnik and Apollo). That's all, see you tomorrow.

Signed, Rex Parker, King of CrossWorld

[Follow Rex Parker on Twitter and Facebook]

79 comments:

Dorkito Supremo 12:33 AM  

The band is *The* Smashing Pumpkins.

jae 12:51 AM  

Medium-tough. I’m only vaguely familiar with two of these bands so this one took a bit more effort. Novel theme, smooth grid, fun solve, liked it quite a bit more than @Rex did. I thought the puzzle was evoking 20 questions rather than actually playing 20 questions.

...and yes PUMPKIN is technically a fruit but so are cucumbers, olives, and peppers...


Croce Solvers - Croce’s Freestyle #796 was mostly easy for a Croce. The NW corner however was pretty tough for me. Good luck!

okanaganer 12:57 AM  

I'm fine with the theme (the bands are right in my generational sweet spot), but yeah the clues... I just didn't have a clue what was going on with the clues. Solving down clues only, everything seemed peachy; I got the theme and the Happy Pencil, and then had a look at those across clues... whaaat?

Like Rex I had a big problem with SANSA. I remember few of those GOT names even though I watched the first season. I remember there was a Stark family, and... that's about it. So the available partial acrosses were FES-, DELT-, EATE-, CROWS, and NS-. I ended up going thru all possible permutations: FESS, FEST, DELTS, DELTA, EATER, EATEN, NSF, NSA. Just a matter of time but got there.

[Spelling Bee: Sun 0. Sat -2 where I missed this 6er which was a should've, and this 7er which I've never heard of. QB streak ended on Sat at 6 days. Barbara S, is yours still going?]

Joe Dipinto 1:31 AM  
This comment has been removed by the author.
Joe Dipinto 2:11 AM  

"Is there a song to go with each long down answer?" YES.
"You're not going to play them all are you?" YES!

SPACE RACE
(see how the) MAINSAIL (sets)
AMBROSIA
S(L)IDESHOW

Gary Jugert 2:50 AM  

Last two days my blog comments haven't been approved possibly on account of how edgy I am. 🙄 Those with wadded panties over uniclues rejoiced.

We'll see if this one goes through.

Today's bands compete in the ing-off name challenge, don't they.

Perfectly serviceable Monday otherwise.

Uniclues:

1 Preparing chicken of the sea for canning.
2 Opening for a computer expert in need of a shearing.
3 Jack-o'-lanterns with attitudes.
4 Hero in a paper sack.
5 Water.
6 The uncomfortable feeling things could be way more exciting.
7 Event that might include the phrase, "... and this is me buying new glasses in Timbuktu...."

1 SMASHING SUSHI
2 TECH LLAMA SLOT
3 SNEER PUMPKINS
4 DELI DOPE GO BAG (~)
5 GNU AMBROSIA
6 DECAF'S PAIN
7 ELTON SLIDESHOW

Anonymous 2:57 AM  

Yesterday and today’s puzzles confirm that the 90s were without a doubt the worst decade for music. Yuck.

SHARONAK 3:45 AM  

REXREX< HO:WMANY TIMES HAVE YOU EEVER HEARD ANOE REFER TO A PUMPKIN, OR ANY SQUASH, AS A FRUIT? THAT IS UTTER NONSENSE.

SHaronAK 3:53 AM  

I'd never heard of the first two bands but I still think I did the puzzle in under 12 minutes which is possibly a record for me so it must have been crazy easy.
Still, it seemed quite fun.. I liked the animal vegetable mineral stuff. Gave me something to watch for as the downs revealed the band names.

Bob Mills 4:27 AM  

Easy, yes...but enjoyable. I'd question referring to CROWS as animals.

Conrad 5:04 AM  


Never heard of the group COUNTING CROWS, nor the GoT person. Considered CROWd, CROWe and CROWn before CROWs. Any of those could have worked with SAN_A.

Joaquin 6:07 AM  

Here’s a “Red Motorcycle Fact” (a bit of information you should know in case someone on a red motorcycle pulls up alongside you and asks): The plural of "hero" is "heroes" unless you are referring to the sandwich, in which case HEROS is correct. You may ask, "Why is that?". The answer is, “Because."

Alex 6:25 AM  

Couldn't agree more on the themers. Woof. I think The Smashing Pumpkins are also The.

But pumpkins are definitely vegetables. Even if they're also fruits.

And if you believe the GOT ratings indicate their reach, then you'll believe anything. Far and away the most pirated show in history. Agree that the depth of lore required is a bit much for a holdout.

Lewis 6:30 AM  

My five favorite clues from last week
(in order of appearance):

1. Rockets frequently travel in this (3)(3)
2. Dubious addendum to a snide remark (7)(8)
3. What an actor might do before the evening show (7)
4. Modern meeting setting (4)
5. Wilde thing


THE NBA
NOTHING PERSONAL
MATINEE
MUTE
WIT

SouthsideJohnny 6:40 AM  

You went through all of the trouble to come up with a theme and one of the clues is Mick Jagger’s band? Why not just pre-fill in the answer for us. Bizarre.

You expect your audience to know (or recognize) the Latin variant of arcane terms dating back to the ancient Greeks and Romans, and you don’t have anyone on staff that knows the difference between a fruit and a vegetable? Cover your eyes, this one is ugly.

Do away with the themes (better yet, get a new editor - but we all know that is not going to happen any time soon, sans Devine intervention), so in the meantime get used to kludge like SANSA and BRAGA - it’s standard NYT fare.

Kelly 6:47 AM  

Pumpkin is a vegetable. "Fruit" is both a botanical and a culinary category. "Vegetable" is a culinary category only, consisting of foods that are, botanically speaking, fruits, roots, leaves, stems, etc. So pumpkins, like tomatoes, are vegetables that fall into the botanical category of "fruit."

Theo 6:56 AM  

Didn't like SPACERACE two squares away from RACING.

JJK 7:02 AM  

It is “The” SMASHINGPUMPKINS and “The” ROLLINGSTONES, and at least the latter is never referred to without the “the”. You could say, “That’s a ROLLINGSTONES song.” But you would always say, “That song is by The ROLLINGSTONES”. I do know and like all three of these bands.

I think it’s nit-picking to complain about PUMPKIN as a vegetable, most people think of it as a vegetable even if that’s technically incorrect.

Seems like SPACERACE and RACING should not be in the same puzzle.

kitshef 7:09 AM  

HUNNY is the ONLY acceptable answer for 36D.

A ton of laughably easy clues today (12 months, Rower’s blade, Moist, etc., etc.), sprinkled with some WTFs (on a Monday!). SANSA, BRAGA (symmetrical, no less) being the prime examples.

I have no idea who Adam Duritz is but still filled in COUNTING CROWS off just the clue by trying to think of bands with animals in the name that fit the space. The other two themers were gimmes, though. In addition to his generally good work with Smashing Pumpkins, Corgan cowrote several songs on The Greatest Album Ever Made, Celebrity Skin by Hole.

The Great Pumpkin 7:11 AM  

A vegetable is “anything made or obtained from plants.” Basically, that means all fruits are also vegetables.

kitshef 7:13 AM  

Croce 796: my fastest ever! Despite staring at 61A for over a minute before going with my first instinct despite not understanding it (understanding did eventually come, but not until after I submitted).

Anonymous 7:14 AM  

Intelligence is recognizing a pumpkin is a fruit. Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad. (Charisma is being able to market and sell a pumpkin fruit salad).

Wanderlust 7:19 AM  

A better way to clue the themers might have been Band: Animal, Band: Vegetable, Band: Mineral. Simpler than the convoluted and failed attempt at 20 Questions. Or something using the verbs, like Enumerating Animal, Destroying Vegetable, Rotating Mineral.

My nit was not with pumpkin being a fruit not a vegetable, it was with stone not really being a type of mineral as a crow is a type of animal and a pumpkin is a type of vegetable.

I also solve downs-only, and this was so easy I beat my Monday average (the vast majority of which comes from regular solves). There was almost no thinking when I got to filling in the few crosses that weren’t already done.

One of the best reasons to solve downs-only is to see if you can grok the theme once you’ve filled in the grid but before looking at across clues. All I could get in this case was three bands that start with gerunds, which seemed pretty weak. There was a bit of an aha moment when I read the first theme clue, but agree with Rex that the format was really labored.

Stepson is living in Japan, where he is studying Japanese and living with his Japanese gf. He just got a job in a restaurant.(I used to think that would be hard for a foreigner but they are so desperate for young workers now.) So seeing RAMEN and SUSHI in the grid as he was sending pictures of his work in the kitchen after finishing his shift felt appropriate. Of course he can’t make sushi in a restaurant there yet but he does make it at home, and he’s pretty good.

Laura 7:22 AM  

GoT was massively popular as a book, among SF&F readers, long before the movie. Except for those with standard about violence against women, which fortunately got lathely dropped from the show . Readers are the folks who remember the names. Well worth the long read. At least the first three books. And no one believes him anymore when he says he'll finish the series. Much too hard too wrap up the open mysteries, I 'm sure.

Anonymous 7:28 AM  

Just pointing out that pumpkins are 100% vegetabless as well as fruits. “Vegetable” is not a botanical term. It’s primarily a culinary term which generally distinguishes between the culinary sense of “fruit”: savory vs sweet

Son Volt 7:35 AM  

Harmless - game show type theme. Hard to get into detailed criticism when you take it for what it is. I thought the overall fill clean - but a little boring. I guess MAIN SAIL x the double LL in the center is nice and RIB EYEs are my favorite.

Add to the musical journey with ELTON, OTIS, OAR and The CRESTS

Not sure I can defend the big guy with his PUMPKIN argument. CROWS are definitely animals of the class Aves.

Enjoyable Monday solve.

50 years ago we were cooking with HONEY

Anonymous 7:45 AM  

You’re forgetting Game of Thrones was a hugely popular book series before it was a TV show and also was streamed/pirated immensely

Myletha 7:46 AM  

Crosses on SANSA were all pretty obvious. I didn’t read/watch GOT either but no objections here.

Dr.A 7:49 AM  

Not sure why GOT names bother you but I have never heard any complaints about all the Star Trek names and all the Star Wars names. there are multiple generations in both of those and I have watched neither other than the first series of Star Trek and the first movie of Star Wars. There’s always references we don’t know. Sansa was a gimme for me. And another Gen X friendly puzzle.

andrew 7:51 AM  

I tried Downs Only this week and was able to get the three long groups (even with. SMASHING PUMPKINS separated) because they are well known to me.

I didn’t even read the clueing till this blog, and I agree with Rex that it was way more crazy than cute. Disagree that the THE is necessary.

I floated the idea a couple weeks ago of giving options for e-versions to customize solver experience.

Have settings to make it tougher (Down Only, Across Only, No Art/Circles/Asterisks/Italicized Clues, etc.) for those more experienced wanting Monday and Tuesdays - hell, any day - to be more challenging

And for novices, should have the option to be alerted that “trickery is entailed” (rebuses, answers outside the grid or inside the black, etc.) I remember when first solving in the ‘70s - before blogs, having to wait a day for answers - and had a WTF reaction when the next day’s paper would show I was flummoxed by such dirty tricks (which of course I now generally enjoy),

Most of us on the blog are well past those objections but how many NEWBS are lost forever because they don’t know the Thursday/Sunday rules of the game?

Either way, agree with earlier comment - Mick Jagger’s band is too Highlights for Children easy clue at ANY level!



Twangster 7:51 AM  

Verbing Noun would be a great name for a band, or maybe [verb]ING [noun].

Lewis 7:56 AM  

DELTA was an appropriate answer for me, because this just flew by. Still, there was a smile in my aftertaste, due to the band names whose opening act was a gerund, and the animal-vegetable-mineral motif. A wow accompanied the smile as well, at how the constructors found theme answers that melded these elements.

Nice to see ELTON, OTIS, and MET bolstering the musical theme, and the pair of HONEY and AMBROSIA, as the latter is precisely the description I hold for the former. Regarding honey, I’ve known this for years, but I still can’t get over the fact that if you store it properly, it NEVER GOES BAD. Archeologists have found honey in Egyptian tombs that is still as good as new.

I did notice an A-train word nonet: DELTA / CENA / LLAMA / AREA / SANSA / AMBROSIA / PAGODA / BRAGA / BRA, bolstered by abbrs. NSA / MBA / EPA. And it was sweet to see FESS up.

Trenton, congratulations on your debut, and Simon, congratulations on number seven in the NYT. This was a most lovely springboard to my day, and thank you!

Pete 8:15 AM  

I tried downs only to day, by which I mean don't even look at the grid, just read the down clues & type. I got surprisingly far, just missing the mid-atlantic states down to FL. There were a few mistakes, and several HTFAISTK (looking at you, SANSA) but the point is, you do this long enough and there aren't any surprises left. Kind of like being married for 45 years.

Andy Freude 8:20 AM  

An entertaining puzzle, nearly as much fun as disagreeing with Rex. Easy-ish, even for a Monday, but that was welcome after today’s tough Wordle, which almost drove me batsh*t crazy.

Greater Fall River Committee for Peace & Justice 8:35 AM  

I believe HERO sandwich is an anglicized spelling of the Greek gyro. Does that perhaps mean that the plural should be HEROdes?

Anonymous 8:39 AM  

When did HEROS become an acceptable pluralization? I keep tripping on it because it should be HEROES, even if the subject is a multitude of sandwiches, no?

alexscott68 8:41 AM  

Hey, have you guys heard the new The Rolling Stones song? If you get a chance, be sure to check out Siamese Dream, my favorite The Smashing Pumpkins album. I am a grown man and have no idea how definite articles work.

Anonymous 8:42 AM  

It’s a hybrid : 20 Questions-AVM Game. Constructors brilliantly chose 3 examples that would engender debate .

andrew 8:54 AM  

I tried Downs Only this week and was able to get the three long groups (even with. SMASHING PUMPKINS separated) because they are well known to me.

I didn’t even read the clueing till this blog, and I agree with Rex that it was way more crazy than cute. Disagree that the THE is necessary.

I floated the idea a couple weeks ago of giving options for e-versions to customize solver experience.

Have settings to make it tougher (Down Only, Across Only, No Art/Circles/Asterisks/Italicized Clues, etc.) for those more experienced wanting Monday and Tuesdays - hell, any day - to be more challenging

And for novices, should have the option to be alerted that “trickery is entailed” (rebuses, answers outside the grid or inside the black, etc.) I remember when first solving in the ‘70s - before blogs, having to wait a day for answers - and had a WTF reaction when the next day’s paper would show I was flummoxed by such dirty tricks (which of course I now generally enjoy),

Most of us on the blog are well past those objections but how many NEWBS are lost forever because they don’t know the Thursday/Sunday rules of the game?

Either way, agree with earlier comment - Mick Jagger’s band is too Highlights for Children easy clue at ANY level!



Diane Joan 8:56 AM  

Fun puzzle! Loved it as a Monday category crossword. I didn’t know Sansa either but if the crosses are helpful I don’t think it’s fair to criticize the creator for using a name I personally don’t know. I admire those of you solving in one dimension to challenge yourselves but it is a “cross” word.
Happy Monday All!

Crozier 8:59 AM  

Pumpkins in this case are neither fruits nor vegetables, and they’re often encased in a 52 Across.

Sir Hillary 9:04 AM  

What a ridiculous theme (I use that last word quite loosely). David Byrne, Mark Lanegan and Wayne Coyne got shortchanged.

Weezie 9:11 AM  

Sometimes I’m grateful that I’m not a “theme guy” - I often solve without them, and when they’re not very good I still can enjoy the puzzle. These were admittedly not good (and I’m with @Wanderlust about the nit not being with PUMPKINS but with STONES). But, I liked the fill - I found it clean, and interesting for a Monday.

As for the tv show and movie fandoms that tend to dominate crossword cluing, here’s a hot take that I hope doesn’t rankle folks too much: I find *all* of it tedious and generally reflective of the over-representation of straight white people amidst the fictional PPP. That’s true even when I’m a fan. And of course, Star Trek has some exceptions (I’m sure every regular suspect has one or two), but part of why I was so excited about the inclusion of ERIC from Sex Education recently is that he’s a Black, gay, gender non-conforming character. And it’s why I’m a huge Eric Agard fan - even if most of the crosswords he edits aren’t at the difficulty level that I prefer, I’m grateful that they appeal to a broader cross-section of people, and his puzzles are obviously excellent. Okay, on to face my Monday.

RooMonster 9:19 AM  

Hey All !
Puz works fine for a simple minded creature such as myself. Thought the Themers were chuckle worthy.

Agree with the missing "The"s in two of the bands, but hey, MonPuzs will MonPuz.

GNU, nice to see you again. It's been a minute, no? Or did we just have a not to long ago? No OREO or ASS. We do get the two-L LLAMA, he's a beast.

Good start to the week.

SB Yesterday, missed the P! Dang it. Today, got to G in one minute! Crazy

Three F's
RooMonster
DarrinV

pabloinnh 9:21 AM  

Missed the Twenty Questions aspect of this entirely, which really didn't make any difference. I knew the band names but not the front men, and that didn't make any difference either. Coincidentally was having dinner with my 41 year old son and his family last night and he said that THIRDEYEBLIND was indeed a big deal, and being a good son, did not mock my ignorance.

The fruit/vegetable question is always fun. I like the tomato test for this one. Is a tomato a fruit? Yes. Would you put it in a fruit salad? No. This for me at least would also apply to squash and pumpkins and other things but feel free to make whatever sort of fruit salad you like.

I did know Sonia BRAGA but did not know Ms. Stark. Therefore, movie references are OK but GOT references are off limits. I think this is fair and reasonable.

OK Monday, even if the theme was a bit of a reach. Sorta Medium, Though Lotsa Stuff was just a fill in the blank, so, SM and TLS, thanks for some fun.

SB today-got to PG in record time. SN yesterday -1. Missed a word that is not a word but a sound effect. Boo.

On to the New Yorker and the Croce. I wish it weren't such a nice day.

Whatsername 9:22 AM  

Solved extremely quickly and almost downs only without really intending to and without any idea what was going on with the theme. It appears to be just the names of three rock bands? Alrighty then. Like Rex, I wondered if it’s supposed to be a game of Twenty Questions? No? So … animal/vegetable/mineral then? In which case I gave LLAMA and SUSHI the side EYE because just what are they doing there without any questions in their clues? AHEM.

I’ll admit I had some questions about the questions, the first one being “what on earth?” But it’s probably best that I didn’t notice the theme because I’m kind of a DOPE about most music. Give me a crossword with movie titles or TV history or sports trivia and I’ll be off and ROLLING. But especially pop music, beyond a decade or so of my youth, and I may as well be COUNTING Monkees . . .

Which is why The(!) STONES were the only group I recognized. For a while I called those CROWS a CROWD because SANDA - a perfectly logical variation of Sandy/Sandra - fit just fine in 12D. I dunno why but a variation of Salsa never occurred to me. And The(?) SMASHING PUMPKINS coulda been vegetables, fruits, fairy tale carriages or or a form of naughty Halloween tricks for all I know. Great clue for UTAH though.

bocamp 9:28 AM  

Thx, Simon & Trenton; well done! :)

Med.

Smooth solve, with no hitches.

Good start to the week! :)
___
Thx, @jae; on it! :)

Fun acrostic yd; just the right amt of resistance. :)
___
Peace 🕊 🇺🇦 ~ Compassion ~ Tolerance ~ Kindness to all 🙏

kitshef 10:11 AM  

I wouldn’t put grapefruit or kiwi fruit in a fruit salad, but I don’t dispute their fruitishness.

If you want to follow the Greek, the plural of ‘hero’ would be ‘hera’, parallel to the Greek ‘gyra’. I think I’ll adopt that.

Masked and Anonymous 10:36 AM  

Funny MonPuz. But if M&A was askin twenty questions to identify bands, not sure I'd be tryin to narrow things down by askin who fronted the band.
Did recognize all the band names. Only band-fronter I knew was Mick Jagger, tho.
Didn't know SANSA, either.

staff weeject pick: AAS. Assault with batteries.
fave moo-cow eazy-E MonPuz clue: {Rower's blade} = OAR. (yo, @kitshef)
other fave stuff: RIBEYE. PAGODA. SLIDESHOW. SPACERACE/RACING. AMBROSIA.

Thanx for gangin up on us, Marotte & Stewart dudes. And congratz to Mr. Stewart on his half-debut.

Masked & Anonymo5Us


**gruntz**

Anonymous 10:41 AM  

@jberg/—Vegetable is a scientific term, meaning “plant ,” which is how it is used in 20Qs.

Fun fact: when they are speaking English, Japanese people often refer to RAMEN as “Chinese noodles.” I have no idea why.

Joseph Michael 11:07 AM  

Thanks to @egs, I solved this diagonally and found it to be incredibly easy, though i did get hung up for a while on MUONNFULNM since it also could easily have been MUONPOWLNM.

CT2Napa 11:08 AM  



From Wikipedia -

The question of whether the tomato is a fruit or a vegetable found its way into the United States Supreme Court in 1893. The court ruled unanimously in Nix v. Hedden that a tomato is correctly identified as, and thus taxed as, a vegetable, for the purposes of the Tariff of 1883 on imported produce. The court did acknowledge, however, that, botanically speaking, a tomato is a fruit.




A 11:12 AM  

Third ALIBI in a week? Get your story straight, NYT.

Couldn’t figure out why YES was capitalized but at least it made me think of another band and better word of the day: YES. Added some sparkle to the morning.

CT2Napa 11:21 AM  

Rolling Stones

Rug Crazy 11:30 AM  

Rex nailed it on Sansa!

Anonymous 12:18 PM  

Aw, yer missin' a treat by not using those fruits in fruit salads 😉 The ruby red GF is very sweet and the golden kiwis are special. I always peel kiwis - don't like the fuzzy skin!

Anonymous 12:21 PM  

😂😹🐸 🌝🎃

old timer 12:45 PM  

Raced through this one heading for some new Monday record, until I reached the SW corner. Don't know BRAGA. Didn't think of ROLOS, nor AS IF. Saved by (The) ROLLING STONES and a lucky guess on the devilishly clued ALIEN, a clue I expect to see on @Lewis's next list.

I didn't really get the theme. But I did figure out that the animal/vegetable/mineral thing was based on Twenty Questions, where the first question is always, "animal, vegetable, or mineral?" and all plant-based things are vegetable, including fruits and nuts and corncobs.

Anonymous 12:54 PM  

Me too! Definitely a Kwyovo. (Diagonal Natick.)

GILL I. 12:59 PM  

There was a lot of HYPE this YEAR in the town of SANSA. Folks were making an AMBROSIA STEW to be EATEN under the PAGODA on MAIN Street. There was one PAIN to be dealt with, though....

As far as your EYE could see, a MASS of CROWS flying over the DELTA AREA would enter SANSA SMASHING the PUMPKINS to be EATEN in the fruit STEW. You had to lure them with HONEY then SWAT them. They'd just SNEER and head for the DELI hoping for an [AHEM] GO BAG.

AS IF that wasn't PAIN enough, OSTER, the town DOPE, was making SUSHI ROLLING in RAMEN at his DELI. The CRESTS were DAMP and one GNU it could only be EATEN by the LLAMA in the SHED or by the CROWS.

There were HEROS in SANSA...You could COUNT on the STOIC, SHY, AUNT BRAGA to sing a SMASHING SONNET and get DEM to SAIL away. CIAO, she'd yell...I'll poke you in a RIB with my ROLLING pin. The CROWS would be racing down MAIN with half EATEN PUMPKINS...BEADS of sweat would flow down the brows of the SANSA folks....they were COUNTiNG on BRAGA to throw STONES at these ALIEN creatures...AYE, that was the TECH to be used.

The COSTS for making SUSHI RAMEN AMBROSIA STEW with PUMPKINS and HONEY were RACING HIGH. The FEAR was that OSTER would close his DAMP DElI and say CIAO to SANSA. AS IF nobody GNU, he'd FESS up to being a DOPE.

OSTER needed o SHOW the folks of SANSA that he'd fill in the GAP. He stopped drinking DECAF and began to wear a SMASHING TUFT on his SASH that his MUM gave him. He wanted to HYPE up this food FESS being held under the PAGODA on MAIN. He needed SHY, AUNT BRAGA to wear her GO BAG BRA and whip up some bodacious AMBROSIA. It was a SHOW to behold....A SMASHING success, AYE.

The folks GNU it was a banner YEAR and the HYPE was MET with aplomb. The AMBROSIA STEW was EATEN by a MASS of folks who came RACING IN ON their ROLOS....an AUTO even a TECH would love. SPACE was made for all under the PAGODA and the best part was hearing SHY AUNT BRAGA singing a SONNET about COUNTING CROWS SMASHING PUMPKINS on some ROLLING STONES...

And that's the truth!





Anonymous 1:19 PM  

That’s amazing.

Beezer 1:33 PM  

Whoa Nelly my husband and I took a red eye from LA back to good old Eastern Time zone territory and as usual, husband conks out immediately and I don’t sleep a wink. I solved bleary eyed in the middle of the night and even so, as I solved my first thought was…@Rex will not be happy with this theme! Like @Okanaganer, the groups were in my wheelhouse and I guess I appreciated the simplicity given my semi-zombie state whilst solving.

Did I side-eye PUMPKINs as a vegetable? Well. I do NOT like pumpkin taste in any form and I’m one of the folks out there that is always amazed at the fall season thing about pumpkin spice smell and taste being injected into coffee,etc. BLAARGH. I hope that’s not too controversial but you can call it a veggie or fruit or whatever in my book.

As for THE [ROLLINGSTONES]…C’mon @Rex! Methinks you MIGHT be tongue in cheek? There are a few bands that definitely MUST have THE as part of the name like The Clash and The Band but a quick Google looks like the “Stones” pretty much dropped the THE reference from their album covers around 1981.

@Gary Jugert, wow. I can’t imagine you said anything so “edgy” as to not have a comment posted! To wit: a certain comment (not you) the other day was STILL posted (even though RP commented on how mean it was).

@A…thanks for the YES link. I always like a reminder of how fabu Rick Wakeman was at keyboard.


Carola 2:31 PM  

In my happened-to-know file: SANSA and BRAGA; absent:Adam Duritz and Billy Corgan - but fortunately I didn't have to know them, as a few crosses gave me enough letters to get the band names through pattern recognition. Then there was Mick Who? Just kidding. I liked this light-hearted game-show puzzle, though I appreciated the animal-vegetable-mineral facet only after reading @Rex. I also had fun with some post-theme pondering: presumably, the STONES themselves are ROLLING, but are the CROWS doing the COUNTING or is some entity COUNTING them? Intelligent creatures that they are, it could be the former. I assume that the PUMPKINS are SMASHING because they're absolutely fabulous.

@Gill I., thank you for the saga of SANSA! Monday bonus!

Anonymous 3:01 PM  

Why down clues only? Why not acrosses only?

mathgent 3:21 PM  

Last night's 60 Minutes had a story about a couple who ran a website which posted some criticism of eBay. EBay employees terrorized them outrageously. The couple lived in Natick.

Son Volt 3:45 PM  

@Gill - epic mash up today

Perry 3:46 PM  

Having neither read the books nor watched a second of Game of Thrones TV show, I strenuously object to all of the GoT names in our xwords. It seems, however, that there are myriad names in the stories and myriad spellings. It's almost as though xword makers love GoT names because there is some name somewhere in the stories that can be used as fill in almost any situation.

egsforbreakfast 4:56 PM  

Flogging Molly (led by Dave King) would like to know why they didn’t get a shot at this one. Maybe it’s really The Flogging Molly?

Say this 5 times: SASHA wore a SMASHING SASH to the SUSHI SLIDESHOW.

I’m writing this comment from El Calafate, Argentina. Haven’t seen a LLAMA, but lots and lots of their cousins, the guanaco. Also many of the crossword standby rheas.

What did the grocery store manager say to the checkout helper who was goofing off? GOBAG or go home. Hi @Rex.

I think that Rex’s technical PUMPKIN point will prove fruitless among this crowd. I guess that Simon Marotte and Trenton Lee Stewart couldn’t resist the low-hanging vegetables in this fun little outing. Thanks guys, and congrats on the debut, Trenton.

Nancy 5:53 PM  

I watched that too, @mathgent!!!!!! The program would have told me that I had been mispronouncing "Natick" in my head for at least five years now, except that @Hartley, a New England native, let me know that I was saying it incorrectly about a year ago when I used the word "Natick" with her in a phone call.

It seems the A is pronounced as in "pain" or "Mayday". But I've heard it in my head for five years as though it's pronounced like "gadfly" or "padlock". I wonder if I'll ever hear it the right way in my head?

Nancy 6:10 PM  

My original post was lost -- but yesterday's comment can fill in for today's just as well. You can imagine how thrilled I was with today's band theme:)

From yesterday: "THIRD EYE BLIND is the name of a band???!!!! Who names these groups? Every time I think I can't possibly see a name for either a band or an individual singer that's weirder than the one I'm looking at right now, guess what? One comes along that's even weirder...But still a thumbs-up from me -- except for that ridiculously-named band."

Joe Dipinto 7:19 PM  

@mathgent – the Times had run a story about eBay's dastardly doings in Natick back in 2020:
Inside eBay’s Cockroach Cult: The Ghastly Story of a Stalking Scandal

I think I posted a link here at the time.

Betty Sue 7:31 PM  

RP is upset because SANSA foiled his downs only solve. That’s not on the constructor / editor, it’s on Rex.

Peter P 10:07 PM  

I'm a bit late to the game, but as a PUMPKINS superfan, they used both the moniker "SMASHING PUMPKINS" and "THE SMASHING PUMPKINS" in their career. Their first album, Gish, names them as "SMASHING PUMPKINS". Same with the Lull and Peel Sessions EPs, and their next LP, Siamese Dream. Only starting from Mellon Collie (well, actually, the Vieuphoria Video), do they start appending the "The" to the beginning of their name. Though they break with that with Zeitgeist, and drop the "the" for that later album.

And that's more than you ever wanted to know about this. Officially, now, it does include "the," according to Corgan.

Anonymous 3:10 AM  

Sansa was the only word i had to look up!

Diana, LIW 11:12 AM  

Verbing puzzles. Funning for me.

And how about THE (rollingstones).

THE Lady Diana, Waiting for Crosswords

spacecraft 11:41 AM  

Okay, it's time to retire the title of OFF (Our FEARless Fussbudget) and trot out a new one: OFNP (Our FEARless Nit Picker). Good gosh, any other time "THE" appears in a grid it gets lambasted. Now we must include it? We all know what we're talking about whether we say ROLLINGSTONES with or without the THE. (BTW, I never heard SMASHING PUMPKINS referred to with a THE in front.)

And of course this isn't the way you play 20 Questions. It was just an (feeble) attempt at cuteness to fit the theme, which was pretty solid. Only four theme lines and no revealer, which leaves room for decent fill. I was doing acrosses in the NE, so SANSA was in before I even saw the clue...good thing too, because the name was a total WOE. Nor have I any idea who Adam Duritz or Billy Corgan are. Or were. Even so, this played Monday-easy. Sonia Braga: DOD. Birdie.

Wordle par.

Anonymous 11:43 AM  

This one needs a bigger grid and a snappy revealer. Def Leopard, Black Eyed Peas and Iron Maiden could be part of it.

Burma Shave 1:15 PM  

SHOW ME DEM, HONEY

AUNT DELTA and OTIS MET,
IT'S a SMASHING SHOW he saw,
ASIF COUNTING ON what he'd get,
AUNT DELTA was SANSA BRA.

--- ELTON BRAGA, NSA

rondo 5:43 PM  

STONES a bit generic for 'mineral'. IRONBUTTERFLY fits the number of SPACEs.
Speaking of that SPACERACE RACING. Circled Sonia BRAGA.
Wordle par.

  © Free Blogger Templates Columnus by Ourblogtemplates.com 2008

Back to TOP