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Tuesday, May 31, 2022

Constructor: Sam Buchbinder and Brad Wilber

Relative difficulty: Medium (normal Tuesday)


THEME: LET'S PUT A PIN IN IT (38A: Suggestion to defer discussion ... and what might be said of 17-, 25-, 46- and 60-Across) — places where one might put a "pin" (of one kind or another):

Theme answers:
  • VOODOO DOLL (17A: Figure in many hexes)
  • CLOTH DIAPER (25A: Alternative to Huggies or Luvs)
  • BOWLING LANE (46A: Place for splits and spares)
  • ATM MACHINE (60A: $$$ dispenser)
Word of the Day: "I LOST It at the Movies" (7D: "___ It at the Movies" (collection of Pauline Kael reviews) —

I Lost It at the Movies is a 1965 book that serves as a compendium of movie reviews written by Pauline Kael, later a film critic from The New Yorker, from 1954 to 1965. The book was published prior to Kael's long stint at The New Yorker; as a result, the pieces in the book are culled from radio broadcasts that she did while she was at KPFA, as well as numerous periodicals, including Moviegoer, the Massachusetts ReviewSight and SoundFilm CultureFilm Quarterly and Partisan Review. It contains her negative review of the then widely acclaimed West Side Story, glowing reviews of other movies such as The Golden Coach and Seven Samurai, as well as longer polemical essays such as her largely negative critical responses to Siegfried Kracauer's Theory of Film and Andrew Sarris's Film Culture essay Notes on the Auteur Theory, 1962. The book was a bestseller upon its first release, and is now published by Marion Boyars Publishers.

Kael's first book is characterized by an approach where she would often quote contemporary critics such as Bosley Crowther and Dwight Macdonald as a springboard to debunk their assertions while advancing her own ideas. This approach was later abandoned in her subsequent reviews, but is notably referred to in Macdonald's book, Dwight Macdonald On Movies (1969).

When an interviewer asked her in later years as to what she had "lost", as indicated in the title, Kael averred: "There are so many kinds of innocence to be lost at the movies." It is the first in a series of titles of books that would have a deliberately erotic connotation, typifying the sensual relation Kael perceived herself as having with the movies, as opposed to the theoretical bent that some among her colleagues had. (wikipedia)

• • •

The fill in this one is pretty plain, so everything is really riding on that revealer, and thankfully it delivers. It's one of those idioms I've never used and am only aware of from representations of business or other types of meetings on television or in the movies. Maybe I've heard it a jillion times at meetings I've been in and, like most business-speak, I've tuned it out. Is putting a pin in "it" different from tabling "it"? Nope, "Table" means "postpone consideration of," so I guess someone somewhere just decided the idiom needed livening up. Anyway, it should be a familiar enough expression to most people, and the set of themers covers the "pin" bases very nicely, with VOODOO DOLL expressing the theme most literally or precisely, and the meaning of "pin" getting slightly, uh, bendier from there on: safety pin, bowling pin, PIN number, which is by far my favorite context for "pin" here, mostly because I envisioned the literalists going nuts over the phrase ATM MACHINE ("redundant!," they cried, "the 'M' already stands for 'machine'!"), without realizing that the brilliance of ATM MACHINE as a famously redundant expression here is that the PIN that is relevant here is involved in *yet another* famously redundant expression, namely PIN NUMBER ("redun-... [chokes, sputters] ... -dant! The 'N' .... the ... 'N'!"). So either you're double-mad or you see it as a kind of redundancy joke. I choose option B.


Lots of 3s 4s and 5s today so not much room to get any pizazz into the grid. POOL PARTY sounds fun right about now, but I'm gonna need more than just one ONION RING if we're gonna really get things hopping. I don't love I LOST as fill, but I love the clue. It's a genuinely famous collection of reviews, and I like the New York(er)-ness of the answer. There are good and bad ways for the NYTXW to be obsessed with its home city. This is a good way (Kael wrote for The New Yorker for decades, those decades being primarily the '70s and '80s). There were one too many crossreference clues in this puzzle for my taste, which is to say there were two. PIE / PAN I didn't mind, as those answers intersect, so I didn't have to go looking all over hell and gone to find the other part. The two parts of ICE / CUBE are also relatively close to each other, but having had one crossreference already by the time I got there, I was full. Could've been worse. Could've gone with ARM / REST for the crossreference trifecta. Speaking of ARM, feels like ART or ARC would be better there, which is to say I would never go with a SIM (narrow, old video game-related singular suitable only for xword emergencies, IMHO), when I could get an ordinary word like SIT or SIC in there and clue it All Kinds of Ways. Ordinary words with broad cluing potential > narrowly specific proper nouns if those narrowly specific proper nouns are, themselves, crosswordese of a sort. The reason I'm spending time on this largely unimportant corner is that the SIM clue had "Member of ... family" in it, and so having SI-, I wrote in SIS (and could just as easily have written in SIB). Not real thrilled about cluing ambiguity around an answer that should have, and could have easily, been a different answer. 


More things:
  • 2D: $$$ (MOOLA) — wrote in MONEY. I like that "$$$" appears in this grid twice (see the ATM MACHINE clue). I feel like the puzzle is low-key winking at us a bunch, and today I somehow don't mind.
  • 9D: Clumsy (MALADROIT) — pretty high-falutin' word for a Tuesday. Had the MAL- and still needed a bunch of crosses to remember that MALADROIT (a fine word, actually) existed. 
  • 37D: Wreck room? (STY) — didn't really get this at all ("the pigs just live there ... it's not a 'wreck' to them!") until I realized that STY here is just a metaphor for a messy room, of course.
  • 47D: Shade of some turning leaves (OCHER) — my least favorite fall color, first because it just sounds / looks bad ... like a disease that okra would have ... and second because I can never spell it confidently, probably because it can be spelled two ways: OCHRE / OCHER. The OCHRE spelling is preferred in Britain and other non-US places, but while the NYTXW indicates Britishness for many -RE-spelled words (LITRE, for instance), it never does so for OCHRE, so you just have to guess.
Signed, Rex Parker, King of CrossWorld 

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74 comments:

John H 6:39 AM  

Am I the only one left who balks at the redundancy of "ATM Machine?"

Anonymous 6:48 AM  

Thanks for defusing my burgeoning dudgeon over ATM Machine, by pulling the PIN on it.

kitshef 7:04 AM  

On the plus side, this was ridiculously hard for a Tuesday, which are usually so … Tuesdayish. On the downside, ATM MACHINE, NO OIL, clues for ANGST and LOO, OCHER, WTS, ACU, and a pair of two-part clues.

Kate 7:07 AM  

ATEAT was new to me, but it filled in with crosses. Enjoyed the pin words.

Lewis 7:09 AM  

This one sparkled. The theme sparkled, with its vibrant reveal and cunning ATM MACHINE punch line. Answers such as VOODOO DOLL, MALADROIT, WHIST and LIMBO added punch. The cluing felt fresh, not worn.

And there were little bonuses – that backward KAEL at 19A to echo the Kael clue for I LOST, the cross of MAW and PAW (would have been cool had KETTLE been in the grid), the palindromes OLE and ELO, and the supreme compliment – ADROIT crossing ASTUTE.

What a difference an extra letter makes. After Sunday’s MALT / MELT brouhaha, I’m guessing no one filled in MELTA instead of MALTA.

A fab collab by two pros, bright and zingy from A to Z, a terrific springboard for the day. Thank you for this, Brad and Sam!

bocamp 7:22 AM  

Thx, Sam & Brad; fun Tues. PINning workout! :)

Med.

Moved more or less from the NW in a counterclockwise direction, ending at PUT A PIN IN IT (which, btw, was heretofore unknown to me).

Fond memories of BOWLING on Dad's company league team, altho spent too much time shooting pool at various other LANEs (unbeknownst to Dad). lol

Excellent adventure; liked this one a lot! :)

@jae

Done in 2 hrs (fast for me), but had the color of an unripe fruit for a dnf. Didn't know three of the crosses in question. :( Nevertheless, a fun and invigorating mental exercise! See you next Mon. :)
___
Peace 🙏 🇺🇦 ~ Compassion ~ Tolerance ~ Kindness to all 🕊

JD 7:35 AM  

Clever and fun. However, the Urban Dictionary describes Let’s Put A Pin In It as, “A douchey/ middle management way to say "let's come back to that later," or, "hold that thought." Increasingly popular in business speak.” Yeah. I thank the saints in retirement heaven that I no longer know current business speak, but it made for a good Tuesday.

Ego/Egos have been in the NYT puzzle 17 times this year so far. They must be rejecting puzzles that don’t include it. If we’re going to accept this concept, let’s look at what the first Google pop up says, “The ego operates based on the reality principle, which strives to satisfy the id's desires in realistic and socially appropriate ways. The reality principle weighs the costs and benefits of an action before deciding to act upon or abandon impulses. Freud compared the id to a horse and the ego to the horse's rider.”

So enough with the Ego already. It strives! The clues are a calumny. Blame the Id.

Anonymous 7:37 AM  

No!

TonyD 7:40 AM  

ASL/ELSA gave me trouble, especially for a Tuesday. Ella? Edna? Not quite a Natick but close.

Anonymous 7:42 AM  

Never heard the expression "put a pin in it," and I've had more than my fair share of meetings after 32 years of working with the government. The expression feels a bit more curt than "let's table that."

One thing I learned for my first move to the UK (thanks to our HR department):

If you "table" an item in a meeting in the US, it means to put it aside for later. If you "table" an item in a meeting in the UK, it means to put it up for discussion.

Before that first move, I bought a book entitled "British English A to Zed." Even if you have no plans for travel to the UK, it's interesting to discover the differences in the language.

Conrad 7:48 AM  


@Rex and @John H, the redundancy may be worse than you think: ATM stands for Automated Teller Machine. Everything automated is a machine, and all machines are automated. So it should be "AT" or "TM".

Son Volt 7:53 AM  

35 years working on highly collaborative engineering projects and have never heard PUT A PIN IN IT. That said - I liked the theme and the puzzle overall. MALADROIT is cool - maybe a stretch early week but a fine word. I’ll take an ONION RING if that’s all that’s offered. ARTY clue was apt. The CUSS - CUSP adjacency was awkward.

Hate to burst Rex’s bubble but we had OCHRE 3 days ago in the Saturday puzzle.

Sitting here in LIMBO

Enjoyable Tuesday solve.

SouthsideJohnny 7:59 AM  

OFL is pretty benign with his comments today. I'm guessing he likes the constructor(s) - it seems like he easily could have launched into a pretty standard rant about some of it if he were so inclined.

I enjoyed the puzzle today - a touch more difficult than an average Tuesday perhaps. The SW corner with BASRA, OCHER, WHIST and LINTY put up a challenge for me, but in a good way as nothing was WoE there. I like the fact that the theme holds together and feels natural and unforced - which must be somewhat difficult to pull off as there is frequently a dud or stretch clue hiding in one of the theme entries.

Good couple of puzzles to kick off the week.

Gary Jugert 8:00 AM  

This puzzle was a blast. I did several from the archives today while trying to avoid conversations at a family gathering, and those puzzles were dragging my spirit down. But then tonight, thankfully, the little thingy popped up on my phone saying the new puzzle was ready and it restored my faith in crosswords.

All the theme stuff was wonderful (except its the second appearance of diapers recently and I want those in my escapist pastime exactly never). But we get voodoo dolls and those are a panacea to cure all literary ills.

So many pins in life. Who knew?

Every day in this important work we do, we must endure a few clunkers like OLE, ANTI, ACU and ELO, and today we survived maybe the dumbest clue ever for ARM, but when I wrote in MALADROIT without any crosses I knew this puzzle would be my friend. Then it punked me with a MOSH, it called me ASTUTE, I pet a PANDA, I pounded an ANVIL, it gave me MOOLA, and invited me to my first ever POOL PARTY where hopefully only the pretty people will play LIMBO, and I played WHIST with Jane Austin while drinking TANG and eating ONION RINGS.

And honestly, don't we of a certain age get a wee bit of schadenfreude-ian joy when we see a teen riddled with ANGST? Enjoy the turmoil kid; life's gonna make you look wistfully at ANGST in the rear view mirror as the best days of your life.

Anonymous 8:06 AM  

Perhaps if place a space between the two words it will be clearer.

Anonymous 8:09 AM  

Amy: for some odd reason, love the word MAW, and there it is, almost dead center, right above PIE PAN. Appropriate, since a maw can also be called a pie hole. And that's how uncouth I am.

Laura 8:32 AM  

I knew a guy when he was writing code for early ATM machines. I've used that phrase ever since. Doesn't everyone? As in "the#$_& ATM machine was only giving 50s for withdrawal s large enough...". ATM is slang we've mostly cut it down to but not always.

Nancy 8:35 AM  

What an absolutely delightful puzzle! The fun the constructors had making it, as well as the fun the constructors want us to have solving it, shines through every lively and colorful clue. There are the clever, un-Tuesdayish clues like the ones for LOO and ARM and EGOS and SHIN. And then there are the ones that provide background color and richness like the ones for MOSH, NO OIL, ELSA, ANGST, and WHIST.

I've actually never heard the expression LET'S PUT A PIN IN IT. It must be pretty new, yes? The closest thing to that I've ever heard is "Put a fork in me -- I'm done." As far as "deferring a discussion", I would say "Let's put it on hold."

But that didn't stop me from laughing out loud when I saw how the revealer related to VOODOO DOLL, CLOTH DIAPER, BOWLING LANE and ATM MACHINE. Such funny images -- and all of them so different. A terrific concept.

You must have felt real joy and excitement when you came up with this theme, Sam and Brad, and even more excitement when you made it all fit together so beautifully. Kudos on your accomplishment. I loved it!

TJS 8:35 AM  

Gotta laugh at Rex mocking the"literalists going nuts". What's that phrase ? "Dripping irony" ?

A decent Tuesday with a few spots requiring some thought, which is always an early week surprise.

Anonymous 8:53 AM  

Conrad,
Nah. Here are six machines which are not automated:
wedge, screw, inclined plane, lever, wheel and axle, and pully.

And of course not all things that are automated are machines. Think of automated responses in things like email. The response to an incoming email---"Hi I'm out of the office until Tuesday" is automated and of course the work of a machine. But the response itself is not a machine--a crucial distinction.

pabloinnh 8:54 AM  

Oh good, another themed puzzle with the revealer right in the middle. Had the whole top half filled in when I ran into it and had to skip to the bottom so as not to spoil the fun of trying to guess what the theme might be. As it turned out, I shouldn't have bothered, because like some others here filling in LETSPUTAPININIT was absolutely the only time I have ever encountered this unlovely phrase.

ATMMACHINE does not bother me as much as people who say "close proximity".

ELSA I know from granddaughters and CLOTHDIAPER is particularly apt as today is the scheduled arrival date for our grandson, so we well be sitting by the phone awaiting the big news.

Nice solid Tuesday, SB and BW. Solidly Built, But Would've been better with the revealer elsewhere. Thanks for all the fun.

Anonymous 8:55 AM  

Schadenfreude joy is as redundant as pin number or ATM machine. Joy is --by definition-- an indispensable element of schadenfreude.

Anonymous 9:26 AM  

7:53 @son volt

If that was at the Warfield, I was there!!!! Great memories.

RooMonster 9:34 AM  

Hey All !
I have to go to the automated teller ATM machine today. Enter my personal identification PIN number. 🤣 Then drive my automobile car to the grocery food store to stock my pantry shelves.

OK, enough silliness.

Liked this puz. Neat different stuff to PUT A PIN IN. But where's the Accupunturist? Well, I guess they put pins in something, not get pinned.

Neat quad O's in the NW. Got quite a few OO's, MOO, POO VOO, DOO, LOO, but no ROO. My EGOS is hurt. Har.

MAW crossing PAW was fun. Nice letter choice, as that could've been D, L, N, P, R, S, T,X,Y.

Had alienRACE first for HUMAN RACE. Could've been either, technically, as the aliens targeted us first, but then we targeted them in that movie(s).

Nice to A TEAT again. (I know it's ATE AT, if you're confused, you missed the discussion last time it appeared.)

Good old TANG. The drink of astronauts. Wasn't that how it was advertised? When I worked at the supermarket, we had a guy there named Thanh, everyone called him TANG.

yd -5, should'ves 2
Duo 37, missed 1-2-7-9-28 grrr...

No F's , grrr again! LETS PUT AN F IN IT. 😁
RooMonster
DarrinV

Anonymous 9:57 AM  

Interestingly, in bowling circles the two word phrase “bowling lane” is rarely if ever used. Lane is used when get there and are told where you will be bowling - “you’ll be on lane five or lanes five and six” etc. Also when talking about the quality of a particular lane - “this lane definitely needs to be resurfaced” etc. Bowling alley is the two word phrase that is used - as in “lets meet at the bowling alley” or “which bowling alley should we go to.” No ever says lets meet at the bowling lane - although they might say lets meet at the lanes. Bowling lane? Nope, nada never.

Newboy 10:09 AM  

I’m with @Nancy today. Don’t always drop by on Tuesday, but today’s was cute enough for a real aha when the PIN dropped. LIAM stacked on ELSA caused a pause, especially with MALADROIT tucked in the corner. Not a real problem for an ASTUTE solver. Plus, learned a new ASL sign, so thanks fellas for sharing your grid—obviously, you didn’t let your EGOS hamper your construction.

Carola 10:21 AM  

Nice array of PINs. New to me: the reveal. Thank you to @Rex and commenters for pointing out the many nice touches in the grid.

@Anonymous 8:09 - Special thanks for pointing out MAW over PIE PAN. That would be me, for sure. Did you see that EDYS was right next door to provide the a la mode part?

Hartley70 10:22 AM  

I think the theme is great and LETSPUTAPININIT is very familiar even if I don’t use it on a daily basis. I noticed the machine/MACHINE redundancy but it didn’t annoy me because who is really aware of the meaning of the ATM acronym on a daily basis? I think it stands alone as a slang word now. Thank you for MALADROIT. A Tuesday puzzle needs a lift.

Masked and Anonymous 10:35 AM  

Well, evidently the puz revealer is a legit phrase out there in the business world, but it sure was a no-know, at our house. So the revealer landed kinda flat here, but still seems like a cool idea for a TuesPuz, if U happen to be pin-savvy. (M&A don't wanna be no pin prick about it.)

staff weeject pick: WTS. Plural abbreve meat.

fave sparkly bits: ONIONRING. HUMANRACE [with schlock flick reference]. POOLPARTY. MALADROIT. LINTY. PANDA.

Thanx for gangin up on us and for the pin party, Mssrs. Buchbinder & Wilber dudes.

Masked & Anonymo5Us

Tom T 10:43 AM  

Very enjoyable puzzle, and a bit beyond the medium rating/time for this solver. Little slowdowns in several sections.

Similar experience with Rex on STY, made more awkward by not being able to see TIDILY (weird word visually). And since I am, like others, newly introduced to LET'S PUT A PIN IN IT, my first stab was to put the PIN oN IT. But I fairly quickly realized that the "Classical queen" was probably not DODO. lol

Loved seeing MALTA in the grid. My son and his girlfriend are vacationing there this week, enjoying the food and the scuba.

Also with Rex on OCHre/OCHER discussion.

Surprised to see no complaints thus far from the "that doesn't pass the breakfast test" folks concerning the 45A visual of Queen Elizabeth relieving herself. Also surprised that no baseball purist has demanded that steroid bloated Barry BONDS be tossed from the game.

It's gotta be difficult to come up with a 10 letter answer that includes 5 (count'em) O's, but VOODOODOLL pulls it off. And with NOOIL (that's a new ill, by the way) sitting above it, we get OOdles of O's.

Joseph Michael 10:45 AM  

Fun theme well executed. Makes me aware of how many different kinds of PINs the HUMAN RACE has managed to come up with — from bobby pins and clothes pins to firing pins and rolling pins. But how many angels can dance on the head of one?

Love the recurring redundancy of entering a Personal Identification Number Number on an Automated Teller Machine Machine in order to get some cash money (MOOLA) so you can buy things and make purchases.

Favorite answer: MALADROIT
Least favorite: NOOIL

jberg 10:55 AM  

I didn't mind having the revealer in the middle, because I couldn't get it until I'd filled in the bottom, possibly because I'd never heard or seen the phrase. Gotta admit, though, it's a great revealer. I'd really been struggling to figure out the theme, with no success until then.

We raised all 3 children with CLOTH DIAPERs, so I've stuck plenty of pins in them (and a few in the children, which was MALADROIT on my part.) But 15 years ago I started babysitting my granddaughter, and wow! Diapers have really changed. They're shaped to fit, and they come with snaps, no pins needed, If only they washed themselves, they'd be perfect.

What I liked:; CUSS next to CUSP.

What I didn't like: OCHER. I'm still finding it hard to believe that one can spell it like that. Also, Plenty used as an adjective in the clue.

Anonymous 11:01 AM  

How many constructs are now working on LET’S PUT A LID ON IT.

sixtyni yogini 11:02 AM  

Liked MALADROIT, (but have nothing to apply it to today 🤗j
Liked the 🧩 and 🦖s review. NIL to add except

Enjoyed the theme and fill. haha, yeah, MAW over PIE PAN! 👍🏽
Seems like 🎯 for a Wednesday. 🤸🏽‍♀️
🤗🦖🦖🦖🦖🦖❤️

Anonymous 11:12 AM  

To table something in the UK means the opposite of what I means here in the US. One tables a motion to bring it up for discussion.

jfpon 11:19 AM  

Thanks, ANON, for the unleashing of your "unburdening of [your] burgeoning dudgeon" at 6:48AM. I really hate it when my dudgeon, not to mention the curmudgeon in me, burgeons.

jae 11:20 AM  

Mediumish. No real problems with this one except the bottom half was for some reason a tad tougher than the top. Fairly smooth with a cute theme, liked it.

Whatsername 11:28 AM  

Didn’t get too excited about anything here but props to the constructors for an entertaining theme and a revealer which was current and clever. Call me a literalist or a pedantic or a pain in the three-letter word meaning donkey - whatever - but yes, I cringed at ATM MACHINE. And although I’m as guilty as anyone else of saying it, I don’t like PIN number or VIN number either. Such is the life of a struggling cruciverbalist.

46A brought back sweet memories of my dad who loved BOWLING with his league buddies back in the day.

egsforbreakfast 11:44 AM  

You could hear a pin drop as the wrestler tried to pin his opponent, who had a nice collection of pin-ups. Then he produced, seemingly from nowhere, a grenade and pulled the pin. Everyone had to pin their hopes on it being a dud.

Cool to see that VOOCOODOLL uses only 4 letters. In another puzzle a clue like “Four letter pin cushion” would be a brief challenge while you stared at the 10 white squares for the answer.

Here it’s almost Father’s Day and MA appears in 5 answers while PA gets only four. I guess that’s ramPAnt feminism for you.

A lot of PRO runners tell me that they like to HUM AN RACE at the same time.

Really nice revealer and themers today. Overall, a wonderful Tuesday. Thanks, Sam Buchbinder and Brad Wilber.

Peter P 12:10 PM  

Redundancy is fine in language. Language is not about maximal efficiency, but effective communication. Our brains do not parse out each letter of an initialism/acronoym. There are TONS of redundancies in not just English, but all languages. Beside ATM machine, and PIN number, we have UPC code, LCD display, DC Comics, HIV virus, "please RSVP," AC/DC current, SAT test and a slew more. They aid in comprehension and there's no need to treat them as linguistic bete noires.



Another Anon 12:43 PM  

@Anonymous 9:57. The clue for BOWLINGLANE is simply "Place for splits and spares", so, a match. The clue doesn't ask for the name of a place where people go to bowl.

Anoa Bob 1:07 PM  

With VOODOO DOLL in place at 17 Across, I was expecting--and looking forward to---some kind of alliterative word play theme. CLOTH DIAPER dashed those hopes. Oh well.

The first two PINs are very alike in nature and I have used to good effect a DIAPER type PIN on a VOODOO DOLL. I think the next two go off on a bit of a tangent.

LETS PUT A PIN in a "Bowling lane" is an utterance that I bet has never been said or written before in the history of the English language. It has to much of an ad hoc, made up just for this crossword puzzle sound to it for me.

And the reveal LETS PUT A PIN IN IT sounds like it is a matter of choice, that it is an option, a suggestion, while putting your PIN (not a PIN) in an ATM is not optional, it's mandatory. You must PUT your PIN IN IT to get the ATM to cough up the cash.

I was perplexed by 23D SIM being clued as a "Member of a virtual family". Huh? The early returns on a net search were for a Christian Missionary group that began back in the 1890's that stood for Sudan Interior Mission. Then came SIM cards for cell phones, an acronym for Subscriber Identity Module. Then Singapore Institute of Management popped up! It took several more search pages to see it is probably just an abbreviation for SIMulated. Ugh. Agree with OFL that SIC or SIT (giving an Across of ARC or ART) would have made much more Tuesday level sense.

Thanks son Volt @7:53 for the Garcia and Grisman "Sitting Here in LIMBO". Here's the original version of that song by my favorite Reggae artist Jimmy Cliff's Sitting Here in LIMBO".

OffTheGrid 1:12 PM  

I once heard a politician refer to foreign products imported into the United States from other countries.

Anonymous 1:16 PM  

AC/DC current? never heard that. But I concede all your other examples are extremely common. And they make me cringe Pete. Every time. I don't care how common an error is, it's still an error.

Anonymous 1:20 PM  

I agree!

Joe Dipinto 1:41 PM  

Wasn't Prince Nooil the son of Queen Noor?

Anyway, I completely enjoyed this puzzle, even though I, also, have never heard the revealer phrase.

When an interviewer asked her in later years as to what she had "lost", as indicated in the title, Kael averred: "There are so many kinds of innocence to be lost at the movies."

Excuse me, but I was present at that interview and Ms. Kael avowed that last part. She most certainly did not aver anything.

And now The Maltese Tenor will show us around his country as he serenades us.

SharonAk 1:49 PM  

BRAVO Peter P 12:10 Hadn't thought about all the redundancies you listed, but definitely agree that most of us don't know what the letters in acronyms stand for, so often a "redundant" word is need for clarity.

I was amused at the first two responses after Rex's comments.

I had heard "let's put a pin in it"(don't know where) a number of times.
My only quibble was with bowling lane. I just can't see anyone ever saying ,or thinking of putting A pin in it. You set up the pins (plural) in a bowling alley, or lane. But that was a small stumble.

Generally fun theme and puzzle

Got a laugh out of the clue for loo.

I agreed with Rex re the 57A 64A referral being one too many.

Anonymous 1:50 PM  

I’m right in the middle of rewatching Lisa Kudrow’s brilliant series “The Comeback.” Her character Valerie Cherish uses our theme phrase a lot!

JC66 1:53 PM  

@Anoa

I think SIM was referring to the video game. BTW, I thought you'd like it because they dropped the S.

@Anon 1:16

AC/DC = Alternate Current/Direct Current.

Anonymous 2:00 PM  

JC,
Yeah I know. I said I'd never heard of AC/DC current. The word current is the redundancy. I've never heard that particular mistake before. All the others in Peter P's post-- and lost more besides-- were familiar to me.

JC66 2:18 PM  

@Anon 2:00

👍

okanaganer 2:39 PM  

@Tom T 10:43am: "the visual of Queen Elizabeth relieving herself"... there was a delightfully juvenile short Monty Python animation of just that. Wearing her crown and holding a sceptre, she toddles into an old fashioned outhouse, then we hear a series of vivid noises (think number 2), then finally she emerges saying "Oh, that's better."

At university (UBC Vancouver) in 1979, there was a bowling alley in the basement of the Student Union. (5-pin, with the little balls.) So we bowled a lot. I went back a few years later and it was a video game arcade. I wonder what it is now.

[Spelling Bee: yd 3:40 to pg; QB later, my last word was a good one.]

Anonymous 2:50 PM  

It drove me nuts. I’m still attempting to recover.

Anonymous 2:58 PM  

Joe Dipinto,
I met the former Lisa Halaby in the garden of one of her palaces in Amman in the summer of 1985. Beautiful and gracious ( especially for a Princeton Tiger)

And before whoever it was a few months ago accused me of looking something up about the Near East on Wikipedia, know that I was in the kingdom on a grant from ASOR. My ancient history bona fides are in tact. It's just luck that I met the queen. I did not meet Hussein.

Peter P 3:02 PM  

@1:16 Anonymous. You've never heard someone refer to "AC current" or "DC current"? That's strange. The thing is, what you call an "error" is not an error. It is a feature of this and many languages, no matter how often others decry it as being "incorrect." Like I said, our brains treat ATM as a single syntactic unit apart from the meanings of its individual letters. We don't think of it as "Automated Teller Machine" so adding "machine" after that is natural and aids in communication. (And just plain sounds better, IMHO). "DC Comics" would simply confusing as "DC" even though the "DC" stands for "detective comics".

Redundancy is fine in language. It's not a bug, it's a feature.

Anonymous 3:25 PM  

Pete P,
Nope. I've heard DC and I have heard direct current. I have never heard DC current. Same with the alternating kind.
I do think of ATM's as machines. So adding machine to a term which has machine in it is grating. And of course wrong. When I'm in England I don't hear VAT tax from the locals. they just say VAT. It's the boobs who don't know what the T in VAT means who say VAT tax. It's mind-numbingly stupid.
As for ATM machine sounding better, well, you're the first person in the history of writing advice to say adding a superfluous word makes the sentence better.
Redundancy is erroneous per se.

Prof Karl 4:32 PM  

NOOIL? Eww.

albatross shell 4:35 PM  

Tough puzzle. Had to solve with ARMs akimbo and limbs aLIMBO.

I took ATM MACHINE as knowingly redundant and thus humorous. As for BOWLING LANE check out my comment from late yesterday about candy bar.

Trouble parsing ONIONRING (@Anoa: did Rex really want a plural there? Did you approve of the plural in yesterday's revealer? Do you think one MIGHT say put a pin in it when the automated pinsetting machine only sets down 9 pins in your bowling lane?) .

Also finished to lack of music. Took much time to fix my cHIN guard.

Anonymous 4:49 PM  

Just those who cringe at VIN numbers.

Rug Crazy 4:58 PM  

I'm with Gareth W. who is Chief Head of The Department Duplicate Redundancy Bureau.

Anonymous 5:53 PM  

AC/DC has a certain... sexual connotation. always wondered if those Aussie rockers were making a statement.

Anonymous 5:56 PM  

NOOIL??? Could be a pun. There's a long-ish piece in the Science section on the troubles of female yeast (et al) infections. Sometimes a lube is just a lube.

Aelurus 6:30 PM  

Clever connection of the revealer to the themers, though 38A’s LETSPUTAPININIT is an expression I've not heard. @Rex – I choose option B too, like the Department of Redundancy Department joke.

Pauline Kael’s 1973 Deeper into Movies book is in my house, but not the answer for 7D, so got it from the crosses. Am decluttering and donating books to the library and I stopped to read parts of Kael’s book again after deciding it stays. Donating books is a fraught endeavor because they are probably the hardest things to part with. Unlike, say, the beautiful copper-bottomed ebelskiver pan that was acquired at a thrift store and will now come full circle, having sadly never been used to make those Danish small puffy pancake treats and residing in the donate box.

@Nancy yd - Appreciate the further intricacies of puzzling a Phrazle. I guess I did something more like you did for the “bringing home” #82. My starting entry was simply 4 words and, after considering the colored squares, my next entry worked. Beginner’s luck!

@Joe D – yd: Amazing you got #83 right off. Sounds rare. That must be a Phreazle in One? Or maybe a Phrace? I will try your solving angle too.
1:41 pm td: LOL "Ms. Kael avowed."

@bocamp yd - Thanks for the path to finding the number and sequence:

Phrazle 86: 4/6
🟩 ⬜⬜⬜🟨 ⬜⬜⬜⬜🟩
🟩 ⬜🟩🟪🟨 ⬜🟨🟩⬜⬜
🟩 🟩🟩🟩🟩 ⬜🟨⬜⬜🟨
🟩 🟩🟩🟩🟩 🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩

Anonymous 7:15 PM  

34 years in consulting, never once heard the phrase 'put a pin in it'. It conjures an image of popping a balloon, which suggests rejection of an idea more than it does deferral.

albatross shell 7:32 PM  

I first thought LOO was a term that was beneath the dignity of royalty. Then I decided nothing is beneath the dignity of royalty.

Brad Johnson 9:04 PM  

There was also the pair PRO and ANTI (though not clued as a pair).

Anonymous 4:19 PM  

What the hell is a "pie pan"? It's a pie PLATE or a pie TIN, with the latter being distinctly British.

thefogman 10:43 AM  

Not bad. Although I did groan a bit at the sight of ATMMACHINE. It just ATEAT me But I’m just an old CUSS and a grammar ninny - and my belly button’s all LINTY. Toodle LOO!

Burma Shave 1:03 PM  

NO REST

So, ILOST my VOODOODOLL, IT LEDTO ONE ANGSTy minute,
but NO LIMBO ONRUSH at all, NO body PUTAPININIT.

--- ELSA BONDS

rondo 1:14 PM  

Yes, you can PUTAPIIN all of those things. I had a titanium PIN in my lower leg for about 6 weeks c. 1993. Not puz-worthy. Tried CLOTHDIAPERs on my daughter once c. 1982, did not last a week. Redundancy factor doubled if PIN number for the ATMMACHINE.

Wordle eagle today!
YYBBB
GGGGG

Diana, LIW 4:23 PM  

As @Rondo notes, at first I thought there might be a "redundancy" theme with an answer like ATMMACHINE.

Went quite quickly for a Tuesday. (tho I do NOT time my puzzers) And even Joey Chestnut has a day when he can only eat 63 franks and win the contest.

Diana, Lady-in-Waiting for Crosswords

Anonymous 5:51 PM  

I just did the WSJ Xword puzzle for Tuesday July 5th, and it was very easy. Several people on this blog, Rex included, I believe, have mentioned a very hard WSJ puzzle. Which day of the week is the hard one??? I can't see forking out that much money for that easy of a puzzle on a daily basis. I'm willing to spend the money on a very hard one. I just need to know which day I should buy.

spacecraft 5:52 PM  

Nothing wrong with an ATM machine; after all, you gotta have SOMETHING to put those things together. It's just a machine that assembles ATMs.

Useful theme and execution; nothing outlandish in the fill. Par.

Anonymous 11:46 PM  

Aside from those already mentioned,:
LCD display
AC current/DC current
UPC code
ISBN number

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