Feature of a deerstalker / TUE 5-3-22 / Event first televised in 1953 with the / Metaphor for lies in a Walter Scott poem / Prize satirical scientific award sine 1991

Tuesday, May 3, 2022

Constructor: Julian Lim

Relative difficulty: Challenging (way harder than typical Tuesday)

THEME: CHINESE / DYNASTY (39A: With 43-Across, historical period found in each set of circled letters) — theme answers start with circled squares, all of which contain dynasty names:

Theme answers:
  • MINGLE IN THE CROWD (18A: Mix at a mixer, say)
  • TANGLED WEB (30A: Metaphor for lies, in a Walter Scott poem)
  • SUIT TO A TEE (50A: Fit perfectly)
  • HANGING BY A THREAD (65A: Surviving, but just barely)
Word of the Day: CHOU / EN-LAI (36D: With 52-Down, 39-Across leader from 1949 to 1976) —
Zhou Enlai (Chinese周恩来pinyinZhōu ĒnláiWade–GilesChou1 Ên1-lai2; 5 March 1898 – 8 January 1976) was the first Premier of the People's Republic of China serving from 1 October 1949 until his death on 8 January 1976. Zhou served under Chairman Mao Zedong and helped the Communist Party rise to power, later helping consolidate its control, form its foreign policy, and develop the Chinese economy. (wikipedia)
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Short write-up today, both because I'm short for time this morning and because I'm just in a terrible mood, what with Roe v. Wade about to be overturned and all ("all" being "all of the other rights-revoking culture war carnage that is surely going to follow"). Also, I really didn't enjoy this puzzle and don't particularly want to dwell on it. The theme is fine, conceptually. It's a super-basic first-words (or in this case, first-letters) theme, with a very plain revealer. Really nothing terrible, but nothing exciting either. Chinese dynasties normally function as crosswordese, but now they're being used as an integral part of a crossword theme. Cool. There are lots of dynasties—how many, exactly, is apparently a tricky question—but at least a dozen major ones. I think I've seen these dynasties before. I don't know. But the point is, whether you're excited by or indifferent to CHINESE DYNASTYs, the theme itself was fairly basic. What wasn't basic, what was grievously off-putting, was, well, a couple of things. First, the difficulty level, which seemed way past Tuesday. Even little corners were playing very sluggish. My first pass at the NW yielded only DIMES and SEDAN. Never ever got any kind of flow going. Some of the "difficulty" can be explained by the fact that the grid is oversized (16 wide), but it really did feel more Wed. or Thu. at the cluing level. Which would not itself be So bad, but so much of the grid is filled with gunk. ATTABOY ETTA ETA EVO ENLAI ATON DOHS and on and on. So it was a slog the mostly turned up unpleasant stuff. But I think the thing that really did this puzzle in for me was the theme answers, specifically MINGLED IN THE CROWD. I ... what ... what kind of a standalone phrase is that? I wrote in MINGLE- and then thought "well, that's what you do at a party, you MINGLE ... 'let's MINGLE,' you say." The IN THE CROWD part feels so so horrible and tacked on and makeshift. Where the hell else are you going to MINGLE? The desert? TANGLED WEB doesn't stand alone either, though at least I know where that phrase comes from. SUIT TO A TEE only reminded me of the crosswordese "TOATEE" (sometimes stylized "TOAT"), so that was no good. HANGING BY A THREAD, I liked. But yeah, MINGLED IN THE CROWD just ran fingernails down the chalkboard of my heart.

I think the puzzle was in a kind of no-man's-land, forced into a Tuesday slot because it's really a Tuesday-type theme, but oversized and with hard-to-grasp longer answers. Maybe the circles are an attempt to make it more Tuesday (they certainly aren't necessary—you could've run this puzzle later in the week and left the circles out of it). OK, I've already gone on too long. This just wasn't for me at all.

  • 71A: Humble response to "How do you do it?" ("I MANAGE") — as I've said before, very recently in fact, this kind of "Humble response" is not "humble" at all. It's performative humility, and therefore the opposite of humility. You see this kind of posture on social media All The Time, and it's rotten. Usually we get "I TRY" as our "humble" response; today, it's the longer, harder-to-pick-up, and therefore worse "I MANAGE." I want fake humility out of the grid like I want ALITO out of the grid. I know I'm still gonna see both of them, a lot, but my feelings aren't gonna budge.
  • 15D: Aboveboard (LICIT) — one of the absolute worst kealoas* there is. I had the "L" and went LEGAL and LEGIT before being forced into LICIT.
  • 59D: "I'm glad that's over!" ("WHEW!") — another kealoa*! Had to leave that first letter blank and check the cross, because it could easily have been "PHEW!"
  • 1A: Lines at the cinema? (DIALOG) — I have never spelled it any way but "dialogue," so this one missed me completely. 
  • 32D: Needed further explanation (WASN'T CLEAR) — oof, WASN'T CLEAR is right. I sometimes lie awake nights thinking about how choked some wordlists must be with every single variant of various verb phrases ... WAS CLEAR WAS NOT CLEAR WASN'T CLEAR IS CLEAR IS NOT CLEAR ISN'T CLEAR ARE CLEAR ARE NOT CLEAR AREN'T CLEAR ad infinitum. Parsing this one, with its apostrophe and all, was not (wasn't) easy. Wanted WAS NO- something. I guess I don't mind the phrase itself, but it was one more thorny part in an already thorny and not terribly rewarding Tuesday.
  • 53A: The first "O" of O.O.O. (OUT) — I hope to god that there are other solvers out there who struggled to get this and then just stared at it wondering "how?" Apparently "O.O.O." stands for "OUT of order." I've never seen this anywhere, except maybe crosswords. I've seen many "Out of Order" signs in my day (on video games, toilets, vending machines), but none of those sign writers were confident enough to believe that merely writing "O.O.O." was going to do the trick. This is the kind of sloggy short stuff that really killed all the flow and good vibes today.

Alas, this write-up wasn't any shorter than usual. Best laid plans etc. Please please please go pick up your "These Puzzles Fund Abortion" puzzle pack if you haven't already. It's a tiny thing you can do in the face of the whirlwind of political stupidity, cruelty, misogyny, and backwardness. Plus you get some excellent puzzles in the bargain. Take care, see you tomorrow.

Signed, Rex Parker, King of CrossWorld 

*kealoa = short, common answer that you can't just fill in quickly because two or more answers are viable, Even With One or More Letters In Place. From the classic [Mauna ___] KEA/LOA conundrum. See also, e.g. [Heaps] ATON/ALOT, ["Git!"] "SHOO"/"SCAT," etc.

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Sioux Falls 6:09 AM  

In my work world O.O.O. stands for Out Of Office.

Anonymous 6:22 AM  

O.O.O. is also out of office.

OffTheGrid 6:25 AM  

I did not find this terribly easy but it flowed smoothly for me and seemed appropriate for Tuesday. I started the coffee and then I started the puzzle. Usually I stop when the coffee's ready, fix breakfast, and then return to the puzzle. Today I just kept doing the puzz until I was done. Blueberry pancakes completed my early morning ritual.

Rob 6:29 AM  

I am surprised to see 21A (EVO) make the cut. For anyone who isn't familiar with it, it's a fighting game championship, the only one big enough for me to know by name. (Think Street Fighter, Mortal Kombat, that kind of thing.) I always like to see niche stuff I know show up, so this was nice for me.

Will W 6:31 AM  

Yes! Hated this puzzle, and was validated to see you agree. Side note: I assumed O.O.O. was “Out of Office” but that might just be a weird acronym that my office uses.

Matt 6:37 AM  

As for the O.O.O clue, in the business world that is frequently used as the abbreviation for Out of Office, not Out of Order. I see it all the time in my line of work, so it was a pretty straightforward fill.

Anonymous 6:45 AM  

If it makes you feel any better, Rex, a lot of people come here just in hope that you will confirm their own experience that 'this was hard'. Usually you crush our dreams with the ease w which you triumphed. Today, you delivered some salve. Thank you.

Anonymous 6:52 AM  

OOO is more commonly seen at work, as in an Out Of Office notification. Had a DNF due to confusing ANNO DOMINI with my favorite ANNa DOMINo. The news today is gut wrenching.
- Brando

Richard 6:55 AM  

I think O.O.O. Is the abbrev. used for ‘Out of Office” at one’s workplace.

Rocinante 6:56 AM  

I agree with Rex's review. One observation:

OOO is a terrible clue, but I have seen the abbreviation used for "out of office" (not "out of order").

Anonymous 6:59 AM  

O O O maybe baseball reference? On tv screen inset next to small diamond that tells you how many on base , they put dots to chart outs-balls-strikes - I think???

bocamp 7:06 AM  

Thx Julian, for the DYNASTic Tues. puz! :)


Tues. time, but seemed kinda on the tougher side.

Hit the kealoa trifecta, starting with Legal, then LegIT and finally LICIT.

HuNG in there, and finally MANAGEd.

Very enjoyable solve. :)


Forgot to tackle the Croce yd; will get on it right after the SB this AM. :)
yd's: SB: 0 / Sec: 19/21 / Duo: 36/37 (two blunders) / practice Duo: 34/37 (feel better now) :)

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Lewis 7:22 AM  

Julian had me at the gorgeous TANGLED WEB and HANGING BY A THREAD (two NYT answer debuts, by the way). He cemented winning me over with two never-before-used clues: [Opening with leaks?] for WIKI and [Lines at the cinema?] for DIALOG.

I loved the brief immersion into the Chinese culture, and learning of the terrifically-named IGNOBEL Prize.

The grid had the palindromes ATE and ETA, as well as ETTA near ATTA, with ATA on the side, and the lovely progression of EVO – EGO – EGGO. Plus, a couple of backward animals, DEER and DOG.

I love dipping into Julian’s world, a place rich with knowledge and cleverness marked by his beautiful and unmistakable tone. His puzzles are always more than simply filling in a grid. Thank you for this, Julian!

Anonymous 7:36 AM  

I thought OOO was baseball scoring for 3 outs,

Michael Page 7:38 AM  

DIALOG annoys me.

From Quick and Dirty Tips:

'Dialog' and 'Dialogue' in American English

The shorter spelling started spiking in the early 1980s, especially in American English, and in many cases it’s used when people are writing about computers—for example, when people are writing about a dialog box where you input text. That’s often spelled D-I-A-L-O-G.

It seems that the computing use—the shorter spelling—again, especially in American English, has started drifting over into the older “those two people are talking” meaning.

The Chicago Manual of Style doesn’t specifically recommend one spelling over the other, and it uses the longer spelling throughout its own book, but in an FAQ entry says that the shorter spelling is fine when you’re writing about a dialog box.

Use 'dialogue' for a conversation and 'dialog' for a digital text-entry box.

I favor Chicago’s approach in this case, so my recommendation is to use the longer spelling when you are writing about conversations in a novel or play and use the shorter spelling in the phrase “dialog box” since that is what seems to be common in the computer industry.

Anonymous 7:42 AM  

EARLAP crossing ENLAI was a Natick for me. Never heard of either, and EARcAP and ENcAI seemed reasonable.

Son Volt 7:43 AM  

Cute theme - didn’t care for the circles but ok. Odd shaped segmented grid left a lot of short stuff - some good some bad. Liked LEWD LADS and LICIT NUDES. TEA is neat as a sub themer.

Side eye to EGO - EGGO and the double banger of GEES and DOHS. With Rex on the trailing ue for DIALOG.

20 long years away from your heart

Enjoyable Tuesday solve.

JD 7:43 AM  

Agard fan that I am (big), I had enough toe scum and half ass to find this a finely wrought contrast to Monday.

All of the theme answers were inferable. Remembered Chou En Lai mostly because of Nixon's China visit, 1972, it was a big deal. But by that time he was Zhou Enlai.

Only nits, Napas (in the wine store you'd find them near the Frenches?) and iffy on Sedan as SUV Alternative (looking for something with the features of an SUV, and decide a Sedan is a nice alternative?).

@Rex, I mingled near the hors d'oeuvres table for a while, then I just wandered out and mingled in the crowd.

Great puzzle. Liked it very much.

Anonymoose 7:45 AM  

@Will W. I don't care if you hate the puzzle. But don't misinterpret @Rex to justify yourself.

Carola 7:47 AM  

Easy for the theme, medium for the rest, mainly because of the time it took me to sort out troubles in the NW: I didn't know EVO, couldn't see GIVE, mistakenly had "ale" instead of IPA so couldn't see LICIT, and, similar to @Rex, resisted accepting MINGLE IN THE CROWD as a phrase. Also, NAPAS? Do people really say that? ("I'm going to pick up a few NAPAS for our wine and cheese event."?)

Thank you to @Lewis for conjuring up the image of a spider HANGING BY A THREAD from the TANGLED WEB. I also liked the WIKI clue and the EGO-TOGO-EGGO cluster.

Wine snob 8:06 AM  

4% is never many except in the convenience of ignorance

Napa makes only 4% of CA wines

KBF 8:17 AM  

Oh what a tangled web we weave
When first we practice to deceive.
But when we've practiced for a while
How greatly we improve our style!

SouthsideJohnny 8:19 AM  

Chuckled at the fact that Rex spent a chunk of his column pondering whether the puzzle is Tuesday or Wednesday-appropriate (as if there's a right answer, lol).

The only real unknowns for me were Mr. Fantastic, OSAGE and EARLAP (which sounds like something that would even get rejected by SB).

OOO will be with us all day, unfortunately, since it's not even 8 AM on the east coast and it has probably been commented on a dozen times already.

Would prefer that they not cross Latin phrases with video game abbreviations, but that is nothing new (by "that" I mean it's not new that they do stuff like that, nor is it new that I think it is very poor form - but hey, it's WS's world and I just live in it).

I see that it's been like a whole fifteen minutes since the news broke and already Rex has spread out the kindling, poured gas on and ignited the fire - so we can all brace ourselves for the flame wars between the pro-choice and pro-life crowd for the next six months - which will suck more than a slog-laden grid with upwards of 35% PPP.

pabloinnh 8:19 AM  

Hand up for not liking DIALOG, but it had to be right. I think the problem with the MINGLE phrase is that it should be MINGLE with THECROWD, which didn't fit, which is perhaps where IN came from.

I just ran into LICIT somewhere else, so that was my first guess.

Thanks for all the Out Of Office explanations. Having never worked in an office, that's news to me. Was trying for the baseball explanation with limited success.

Otherwise a not terribly difficult Tuesday. Made me think of the experts on The Antiques Road Show who can look at a vase and tell you which dynasty it's from and what kind of clay it's made of and where the colors came from and probably what the potter had for breakfast. Who are these guys?

Solid enough Tuesday, JL, Just Like a Tuesday should be. I don't think I'll remember many of the dynasties, but it was fun while it lasted, for which thanks.

MkB 8:20 AM  

I think the biggest shame about O.O.O. was that I thought the O-O-O clue was really clever.

Laura 8:24 AM  

Surprisingly tough for a Tuesday, but Tuesday is usually dull, so tough is good.

Surprised that no one has commented on the misspelling of Chou. Perhaps because it is crosswordese? Or perhaps because it is merely an old fashioned anglicization, like Peking? Only slowed me down because my I argued with my husband about the spelling and went to Google to prove myself, well, wrong. Zhou it is.

Zed 8:25 AM  

Tuesdays gonna tuezz.

TJS 8:35 AM  

There's a "Chicago Manual of Style" ? Hysterical ! I lived there for 0 years of my life and never found one subject that everyone agreed on. There is not even a consensus on how to pronounce "Chicago".Is there a chapter on Pizza and Blues ?
Sox vs. Cubs ?

@Anon, 7:45, maybe "hate" is a bit strong, but Rex sure didn't like this one. Not much of a reason to jump on a fellow commentator.

amyyanni 8:37 AM  

Have listened to some Ignobel Prizes segments; thinking NPR's Science Friday runs them. Good nerdy fun.
Liked this. Pleasant and breezy. Would have clued EVO "type of oil." Extra Virgin Olive.

Lily Alice 8:44 AM  

Thanks for sharing the puzzles link again, couldn't remember where I'd seen it.

puzzlehoarder 8:48 AM  

This was a Friday length solve for me. In what universe is a SEDAN an alternative to a ute or whatever the clue was . I immediately realized it was probably going to be SEDAN but I wouldn't put it in until forced to.

A great deal of boring unsightly crossword clue was used to stitch together this wanna be a Sunday monstrosity.

At least I did this on my phone and wasted no paper.

Clean grids the last few days. I am out of town for a funeral.

yd -0, dbyd -0

Anonymous 8:52 AM  

Agreed! It would be nice to see this clue for oaky, bold, aged, or new world, but this clue was off the mark.

mmorgan 9:03 AM  

Not to be fake humble or a contrarian, but I thought this puzzle was just fine.

Hartley70 9:05 AM  

What an interesting and difficult Tuesday puzzle! The O.O.O. business stopped me dead for a bit, but was gettable with crosses. CHINESEDYNASTY strikes me as a strange theme, but it’s valid and it works even if there’s not much room for humor from CHOUENLAI. Perhaps Hungarian kings will be coming soon? I loved IGNOBEL which is new to me and EVO was just new. They made the NW the toughest corner.

Mike in Bed-Stuy 9:08 AM  

@TJS 8:35 AM - Not sure if you are joshing or serious, but thought I'd mention that "Chicago Manual of Style" has nothing to do with the linguistic usage of people in Chicago. It is a style guide published by the University of Chicago Press, originally in 1906. It's one of several major style guides used by writers and editors, including AP (Associated Press) style for journalism, APA (American Psychological Association) style for scholarly writing, and MLA (Modern Language Association) style for scholarly citation. Chicago style is the one most generally used in the publishing industry. As a medical writer and editor, I can add AMA (American Medical Association) style to the list.

RooMonster 9:24 AM  

Hey All !
Pray tell, but why is puz 16 wide? Usually you go 16 if you have either a 16-letter Themer and/or Revealer, or your center entry is even numbered. Today, Julian put two Blockers in the middle, but didn't need to. He had a 7-7 Revealer, all he needed to do was put one Blocker twixt them, and Voila! 15. Odd. I'm sure he could've come up with other Themers that would've been 15's instead of 16's. Just sayin'.

Agree with MINGLE IN THE CROWD not sounding correct. I resisted putting it in, thinking it couldn't be that, could it? I liked the others. Laughed at SUIT TO A TEE, as like Rex, it also reminded me of the TOAT we see.

I did like this puz, even though my nits make it sound like I didn't.

Funny how OBLONG and OOLONG are one letter off. Weird random observation, I know. 😁 Also, GNUS, glad to have you back, it's been a minute. Still on the lookout for OMOO.

Is it pronounced DIE-NA-STEE or DIN-ES-TEE? Discuss.

yd -4, should'ves 2 / Duo 36- missed 1-2-3-6

No F's (WOW, on an oversized grid, GEES)

Anonymous 9:30 AM  

Maybe stick to crosswords and leave aside your preference for legalizing the vicious murder of pre-born babies? Just sayin.

Nancy 9:44 AM  

You start me off on a Tuesday with a clever late-week clue for DIALOG ad I'm a happy camper. You continue with the very funny IGNOBEL Prize which I'd never heard of (I initially wrote it in as IGNOBLE, but never mind) and I'm an even happier camper. You throw in an impressive long Down such as ANNO DOMINI and a chewy word like OBLONG and I'm bordering on ecstatic.

Next comes the intriguing "metaphor for lies". It begins to fill in. Oh, I remember that poem!!!

Then you top it off with an Educated Person's Theme such as CHINESE DYNASTY and I'm beside myself with Tuesday joy.

So that by the time I get to Batman and Harry Potter and Nirvana and Mr. Fantastic and Homer Simpson and Couusin Itt and the Aladdin parrot, I'm ready to forgive the puzzle anything. And I do. I have. By now I'm down in the pop culture weeds, but I MANAGE.

I did come to a full stop when I had OR---- for the dual Batman/Harry Potter clue and wondered what they had in common? Was each one an ORATOR? An ORACLE? Yes, Dear Reader, I seriously considered both of these before HANGING BY A THREAD gave me ORPHAN.

A nice crunchy Tuesday that I enjoyed a lot.

Numbers Nerd 9:48 AM  

@Wine snob believes that "4% is never many except in the convenience of ignorance", Well, being a wine snob, let's assume he also knows that California produces about 80% of the wine made in the US (roughly 800,000,000 gallons annually). I believe the opposite is true (4% of 800,000,000 may just slip under the wire and qualify as many, other than perhaps for those engaging in the convenience of ignorance).

Anonymous 9:49 AM  

Give me the tally of what you raise for abortionists and I'll match it for crisis pregnancy centers. And, if you can, would you make one of your videos? I'd love to see you crying about Dobbs. TIA.

Gary Jugert 9:56 AM  

It was fine.

MINGLE (what @Rex said)
SEDAN (not an SUV alternative)
EAR LAP (it's FLAP, right?)
I MANAGE (yep, EGO is to the left)
CHOU (spelling... and a butcher)
The theme... just leave the circles off. Ug.
So much crosswordese :-(

The two OOOs

Lonely NYTXW Editors Tee-Hees (LNETHS)

Anonymous 9:57 AM  

I'll bet Rex was crushed when the Supreme Court handed down Brown v Board of Education and overturned Plessy v Ferguson, because, of course, all old law is by sacred and can't be reconsidered and I'm sure that Rex is still moaning the passing of the Dred Scott decision too.

Didn't have a chance to drop in and see Rex when i was in Binghamton this weekend, but I did see about 9000 students mingling together unmasked for a spring event, and it was great.

OffTheGrid 10:02 AM  

@Michael Page. Thank you for your comments on DIALOG(ue). I entered script for 1A but it had to give way to DIALOG. As I typed I wondered about the UE.

Tom T 10:06 AM  

As a child of the 60's, a certain personality of the era has left me incapable of spelling LEaRY (48D, Suspicious of) correctly. Should have caught the mistake with the easy cross (TEN), but ... curse you, Timothy!

I always thought one MINGLEd with THE CROWD--or even MINGLEd IN with THE CROWD.

Hidden Diagonal Word (HDW) fun for today:

Clue: O.K. shooter?

Answer: EARP (SE corner)

EdFromHackensack 10:13 AM  

tough for a Tuesday. Finished no errors... but MINGLEDIN... was awkward as was DIALOG. I had SNAfuS before SNARES. Not sure why Roe v Wade needs to rear its head in a crossword blog.

Victory Garden 10:17 AM  

The news is shite but that doesn't mean you have to take it out on the poor puzzle, which represents an underrepresented history in this country, so just cool it, please. Whatever jerks you follow on social media who say "Oh, I manage" to mean something else entirely, that, too, is not the constructor's fault.

bigsteve46 10:24 AM  

I have a question about the difference between using a moniker, I'll call it, like my "Big Steve," for example - or just posting as "Anonymous" as many do. I notice that most of trolls and big-time a**holes go the Anon route. Is there a reason for that? I'm not very computer savvy ... just curious.

The Cleaver 10:28 AM  

There are two good things about the repeal of Roe:

1 - it may/will ignite the 60+ percent of the population to throw the fascists out.
2 - in the mean time, the only way to overturn Roe is to deny the existence of a 'right to privacy', which means Sleepy Joe can deploy the FBI, CIA, DIA, and NSA to throw insurrectionists, including the Congresscritters who collaborated/directed the insurrection, in prison for a long time. no right to privacy means just that. be careful what you wish for.

Victory Garden 10:30 AM  

@bigsteve -- I used "anon" for a long time until I finally got it together to come up with an alias. I don't have a Blogger account and don't want this linked to my Google account regardless of how hard it pushes that. However, my browser doesn't keep my info, so I have to go select "Name/URL" and type in "Victory Garden" every time. It can get tedious, but I'd still rather be identifiable somehow and have people be able to respond to me if they want by a handle rather than a timestamp. Maybe people are as lazy as I was before I started signing as VG or maybe they really don't want any kind of ID at all so they can say what they want into the void. It's going to be particularly bad today, and I'd probably just do better to avoid the whole thing for a few days -- by the whole thing, I mean the Internet, period.

Anonymous 10:33 AM  


Put up or shut up. "crisis centers" don't address the issue. All you anti-choice folks have to do is guarantee pre-natal care and adoption at birth as the alternative. Paid for, I must add, out of your pockets, not the Damn Gummint; which you hate if it's not run by an right wing autocrat.

GILL I. 10:34 AM  

Dare I say that I might've hung my hat on the Annus Horribilis mantel? This was the hardest Tuesday I can remember. I ran out of eenie meenie miney mo's...A few disasters here and there and now I want to join @JD at the hors d'oeuvres bar and have a MINGLE drink mixed with something or other. PHEW (oh wait, it's WHEW)...Is this called a run-on sentence?
Be thankful I'm not getting into the OOO discussion.
At the very end, I decided it was really Annus Mirabilis. Why? you ask...well, let me tell you if you should care.
I learned a few things that I will forget immediately...but they were fun to figure out. Never heard of EVO...I spell his name ZHOU...Didn't know LICIT was aboveboard....Didn't understand that RECON had to do with Intel....and, I'm sure I was the one idiot at 1D because I had EUROS for the thin coin. The DOHS dominated my cerebral cortex.
My TANGLED WEB was finally combed out. I'd rather eat NORI with mayonnaise than call upon Google on a Tuesday. I didn't need him....Another WHEW.
Now that I look at my accomplishment I will exclaim that Julian gave me a SUIT TO A TEE. It actually tastes pretty good.
The end.

Nancy 10:36 AM  

Re: the "misspelling" of Zhou:

If you're old enough, you'll remember when Zhou Enlai used to be Chou Enlai. He was Chou in every single English language newspaper, magazine and book of my childhood...and even longer than that.

Bejing was Peking in that same era. Mao Zedong was Mao Tse-Tung. Go figure. I tried not to worry my pretty little head about why all these changes were taking place. I simply said: Someone must have a reason for doing this -- even though I have no idea what it is.

Zed 10:36 AM  

@bigsteve46 - Because on some level they know they are being a**holes? My “friend” always asks why he gets deleted and not me. I can never quite decide if they really don’t know or if that’s just more trollery.

I suspect that -UE isn’t long for “preferred usage.” Two silent letters at the end of a word that have no pronunciation effect on the preceding vowel? There’s no logical English language reason for hanging onto them and language users are notoriously lazy. I’m at the point where the DIALOG usage doesn’t even faze me when I see it, so the dialogue phase is already on the downside. A hundred years from know DIALOGue will be getting the archaic in the dictionary.

Joe Dipinto 10:36 AM  

I assumed O.O.O. meant "out of okra". There's no okra in the puzzle today, so I took it as a heads up for shoppers.

I didn't find this puzzle to be difficult. I agree MINGLE IN THE CROWD is suboptimal, but we've had worse themers. I liked IGNOBEL, ENTRANT, and WASN'T CLEAR (what is Rex babbling about?) as answers.

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Tim Carey 10:40 AM  

Maybe put your name on your inflammatory posts? Just sayin'.

Anonymous 10:40 AM  


cuts down on the vicious attacks by the Right Wingnuts that show up from time to time. today is likely one of those days. play your keys right, and few if any of those folks won't be able to track a specific anon from day to day, or even within the day. the Mods were added to keep some bit of sanity in the comments. sometimes one or another will impose his/her own prejudice and spike comments that aren't nasty, just pointed. on the whole, for one who's been spiked a fair bit unfairly, it's better this way.

Zed 10:40 AM  

@Joe Dipinto - 🤣😂🤣 - OUT of Oreos? OUT of Ono? OUT of Opinions? OUT of Oho?

Tim Carey 10:42 AM  

At least Rex is believes in his views enough publish them under his NAME instead of anonymously, you troll.

Anonymous 10:42 AM  

Here is a definition of Alternative.

One of two or more available possibilities. That's it. There is no connotation of equivalence. That's why it's an alternative. Substitute "choice" if it helps. If you intend to buy a motor vehicle an SUV is one available alternative. Another is a SEDAN. Another is a convertible. ETC.

jae 10:49 AM  

Tough. Starting out with script before DIALOG followed by LegIT before LICIT didn’t help. ORPHAN was also slow in coming. No idea on O. O. O. Interesting theme, liked it slightly more than @Rex did.

Anonymous 10:51 AM  

Anon 9:49,
Anti-choice? No I. Anti-murder? You bet.

Sheldon 11:00 AM  

When I shifted from academia to the business world, I had to remap OOO from Object Oriented Ontology to Out Of Office.

beverly c 11:02 AM  

Enjoyed this puzzle - a nice level of difficulty. Would it be OBLONG or oblate? Smut, porn or LEWD?
Yay! for IGNOBEL - le or EL? - check out past ones for some laughs.
Fine theme, in my opinionated opinion. (Not going the humble route, no way.)

Anonymous 11:03 AM  

Isn't calling people pearl clutchers a form of Ass-holery? Asking for a friend.

Anonymous 11:04 AM  

You do know that Rex is an alias and not his name right?

Joseph Michael 11:06 AM  

At first, I thought that Dianog Lines was the name of a film actor I had never heard of. Eventually the NOG became a LOG and all made sense.

The theme felt a little like a history class, so I’m wondering if there’s going to be a quiz.

The highlight for me was the IGNOBEL Prize. Perhaps it should be awarded to the anti-vaxers who think that Covid vaccines contain microchips that allow Bill Gates to track our whereabouts.

The low point of the puzzle was EARLAP which sounds more like a birth defect than a hat feature.

Oath Of Office
One On One
Oil Of Olay
Oracle Of Omaha
Out Of Options

Anonymous 11:07 AM  

But why is 10D’s answer TIC? What am I missing ?

sixtyni yogini 11:07 AM  

Thanks, 🦖 for the review and for the pro-choice crossword rec. Not good, but am cautiously trusting the pendulum will swing back to sanity and compassion soon.

Noteworthy 🧩 today, unlike most Mondays and last Sunday - well, ok not Sunday - it was notably tedious (for me.)
Good theme - Asian art history background made it fun.
Enjoyed it!

Inez 11:26 AM  

Imagine being so brainwashed that you’re mad about unelected judges handing power back to the people where it belongs. In New York abortion will still be legal up to the moment of birth.

Pete 11:30 AM  

@10:51 - An acorn isn't an oak tree. Under the right conditions, an acorn might become one, under other conditions it might not. It isn't an oak tree, isn't murder.

Beezer 11:31 AM  

@Nancy stated a lot of my feelings about this puzzle…I enjoyed it.

If I had to pick a nit I guess it would be that I would say “I guess I’ll go mingle WITH the crowd” rather than “in the crowd” but it was ultimately inferable, so no biggie.

As for the CHOU V. Zhou thing. I dunno…since Chinese is written in Conji, aren’t all the names just what we deem the English equivalent? I’ll Google this but it seems to me we adjusted our notion of the proper pronunciation/phonetic equivalents. I guess I should just be happy to be old enough to know both spellings.

egsforbreakfast 11:35 AM  

I think this puzzle contains All the GNUS that’s Fit to Print.

Since Teslas rely more on an operating system than a motor, could they be called OSCARS?

DYNASTY could be descriptive of coloring Easter eggs with obscenities.

Sorry, my humor lobe isn’t working well today. Usually I MANAGE.

I thought this puzzle was normal Tuesday easy. Very quick and fun. Thanks, Julian Lim.

Beezer 11:42 AM  

@BigSteve46…yeah, I agree with @VictoryGarden. I still haven’t “gone blue” for similar reasons but I do have a “nom de blog” and as @Zed has said in the past, once you’ve posted enough people can recognize a person’s “voice” so little chance of name misappropriation if something is said way out of character.

Megafrim 11:48 AM  

A valiant defensive effort, @JD, but "then I mingled in the crowd", with or without "then", is something no one ever said before today. I have never lingered "near" an hors d'oeuvres table. If food is in the vicinity I'm there until it's gone... okay, okay, you busted me. I've never been invited to a party with an hors d'oeuvres table. Why? WHY?!

Maybe . . . 11:56 AM  

I kept checking my calendar to make sure it was indeed Tuesday. But I appreciated the heft of the puzzle, and learned a lot about the Missouri River on Wikipedia.

bocamp 11:59 AM  

Didn't have a clue for O.O.O., except that the word had to start with 'O'; the other letters soon worked themselves OUT (or in). 😉

@Victory Garden (10:30 AM)

Good on ya, for going the extra 'mile'! :)

@puzzlehoarder 👍 for recent -0's! :)

@jae re: Croce's 704

Finally (after 2 hrs.) got the top 1/3 done (I think); so much for 'easy'. lol
td 6:14 (another SB word bites the dust) / W: 4*

Peace 🙏 🇺🇦 ~ Compassion ~ Tolerance ~ Kindness to all 🕊

tea73 12:07 PM  

I had MINGLEWITHECROWD and it looked just fine to me, except it didn't quite work with the downs. Oops.

I had fun with this Chinese filled puzzle. I took a Chinese history course in college and love Chinese painting and always go to the Chinese art section of any museum, so the dynasty names were a big help. Seemed odd to have Zhou Enlai in there, since he's post-dynasty China. (No problem with the old-fashioned spelling which was still being used in the US when I was in college, though I think the Chinese themselves had already switched over.)

I'm always trying to spell DIALOG without the extra letters, so I wasn't bothered a bit! In fact UE is starting to look wrong to me.

I could have sworn deerstalkers had earflaps, which alas did not fit.

I though O. O. O. might be a baseball thing which led me to OUT.

old timer 12:15 PM  

DIALOG was introduced as the simplified spelling for dialogue. Maybe there was a monolog too. It is an interesting experiment in the history of American English. It stuck, with our OR words: The English honour, clamour, ardour, became honor, clamor, ardor, and for a while glamor replaced glamour. If, like me, you collected Oz books as a child, you learned that the enemy of the Kingdom of Oz was the Nome King, not the Gnome King. That's because L. Frank Baum was a big fan of simplified spelling. So was Teddy Roosevelt. (I think when Ruth Plumly Thompson took over the series she went back to gnomes).

I wonder if Mr. Dooley had something to say about spelling reform. He would have lampooned it, for sure.

Anonymous 12:17 PM  

same same

old timer 12:17 PM  

I could add that my reaction today was, "That's mighty hard for a Tuesday." Glad to see OFL agrees.

Anoa Bob 12:23 PM  

Gotta agree with Tom T @10:06 that it's MINGLE WITH THE CROWD. Using IN rather than WITH sounds like a it could be from an ESL student still trying to learn which prepositions go where.

I did notice that the two for one POC, where a single S boosts the letter counts of two entries, was prominently on display. One is where a two for one POC is most likely to be found, in the lower, rightmost square. There are three others. All four of those S squares could be changed to black squares, the clues slightly tweaked, and nothing of value would be lost. Now the black square count would go from 42 to a virtual 46, very high even for a 16X15 grid.

MING is the only CHINESE DYNASTY I'm familiar with probably because I associate it with pottery I've seen on the PBS "Antiques Roadshow". Too bad there was no DYN DYNASTY. That would balance out the CHIN in CHINESE DYNASTY.

Andrew R. 12:29 PM  

Rex is spot on, when you go to party you just MINGLE. This phrase evokes something else for me, stuff like "Bond and his companion decided to MINGLE IN THE CROWD to get away from Jaws".

Masked and Anonymous 12:29 PM  

Out Of Oreos.

Slightly feisty TuesPuz, which is just fine with M&A. Bring it, Shortzmeister.
Always a pleasure to have The Circles splatzed into a puzgrid. Agree with @RP, that the MINGLEINTHECROWD themer sounded a wee bit desperate. Had heard of 3 out of five [O.3O.O.5] of them Chinese Dynasties. Wanted to also have BYAT circled in the 65-A themer, for some reason.

staff weeject pick: EVO. Employ Vague OOOs.

no-knows: EVO. NORI [probably should, by now]. IGNOBEL [debut meat].

Thanx for the Dynasty re-runs, Mr. Lim dude. Good job.

Masked & Anonymo4Us

first in a series of 3 or 4 [O.3O.4]:

LenFuego 12:40 PM  

This one was certainly a Tuesday for me.- it seemed harder than that at first, but then quickly fell once Ingot started. My time would have beat my Thursday best (four years worth) by nearly a full minute.

I loved the juxtaposition of the o.o.o. and o-o-o clues. If you gotta have some junk fill, and you always do, how wonderful to tie it together to make it go down easier. Just a lot of nice stuff overall in this one.

Anonymous 12:42 PM  

Tic Tac Toe

Anonymous 12:42 PM  

Tic Tac Toe

Schuly 12:54 PM  

Tac Toe

Euclid 1:05 PM  

I'll bet Rex was crushed when the Supreme Court handed down Brown v Board of Education and overturned Plessy v Ferguson, because, of course, all old law is by sacred and can't be reconsidered and I'm sure that Rex is still moaning the passing of the Dred Scott decision too.

Interesting bit of deceit. Overturning those hose decisions entailed granting rights to Americans that they'd been denied by Angry White People for at least a century (depending on how far back you count), who of course, had such rights since 1619. Now, that's a liberal (lower case intentional) view of the American Experiment, granting that much of it (pre-WWII; all the way back) wasn't all that equitable. Some view equity for others as stealing from themselves. I think that's called Tribalism.

Georgia 1:09 PM  

Tic Tac Toe

Georgia 1:11 PM  

It's Runs, Hits, Errors ... and baseball was also my first thought. I only have "out" from crosses

Georgia 1:17 PM  

I agree, Tim. And I bet it's not female.

The Joker 1:20 PM  

And did you know that Yule LOG used to be Yule LOGUE?

@Anoa. Curse you for making me notice the superfluous S's.
Today I even saw them before you posted. HAR!

Anonymous 1:26 PM  


jberg 1:35 PM  

I'm closer to @Nancy than to @Rex on this one. I've tried several times to memorize the CHINESE DYNASTies, byt never succeeded, and had forgotten about the SUI, but it was still fun. The only problem is that there was a CHOU (or Zhou) Dynasty, so it really shouldn't be in the puzzle as a non-themer.

I spent a few years on the board of a campus ministry organization, which involved going to various large events; one of my fellow members would say "time for some S&M," and then explain that he meant 'smile and mingle;' so I liked seeing MINGLE there, however awkwardly phrased.

I'm old enough that I have to remind myself that it's now Zhou, Zedong, Beijing, etc. Thank God the restaurants are sticking with Peking Duck, though.

The hardest part for me was putting in SUITed to a T.

As for monikers - @bigsteve46 has a blue name, but there's no identifying information in his (or her) profile. This shows that you don't have to stay anonymous in order to stay private. Using a name just helps us link your comments from one day to the next.

Anonymous 1:39 PM  

The pro-life position doesn’t require anyone to believe an acorn is the same as an oak tree. Seeds aren’t trees. However, an oak acorn is an oak in an early stage of development. Mature oaks began as seeds (acorns), and then sprouts, then saplings, then mature trees. Oak is the kind of thing it is throughout that process and acorns represent oak life at the seed level of development. This objection confuses kinds of things with the developmental stages of things.

I don’t know any pro-life advocates confused enough to believe that embryos are the same as infants or toddlers. We understand very well that each developmental stage exhibits predictable and demonstrable differences in capacities. I can do things my 10-year-old daughter cannot. My 16-year-old son can do things I can no longer do at 48. Different developmental stages enjoy different abilities and limitations. Embryos and fetuses obviously can’t do things that infants and toddlers can just as children cannot do things that adults can do.

What we actually argue is that just as every oak starts as an acorn and predictably moves through certain stages of development every human life begins as an embryo and moves through certain stages of development. The oak has a life arc and it remain a living oak through it all. The human being has a life arc and it remains a living human through it all. Again, you are are making a category mistake, types of living things versus the developmental stages of living things.

The second mistake you make is confusing intrinsic value with extrinsic value. The value of any particular tree in our life is generally determined extrinsically. That means it isn’t the nature of the tree that dictates how we treat it but conditions and aspects external to the tree. In this view, it makes perfect sense to believe an acorn is far less important than a mature tree. The tree can provide needed shade, helps generate oxygen, can beautify the area it is in, and add to its habitat in multiple ways an acorn can’t. If a friend stomped on an acorn we probably wouldn’t think twice about it. If the same friend unnecessarily destroyed a mature and healthy oak, that might raise reasons for concern. It is at least understandable how maturing could make an oak more extrinsically valuable.

Human beings are intrinsically valuable. Our value isn’t derived from our capacities or contributions to our environment. Our value is grounded in the kind of thing that we are. All human life deserves to be treated with dignity and respect. It would be grotesquely immoral to weigh the value of other human beings in the same manner we would a tree. We can’t use a human being’s lack of productivity or failure to contribute to or beautify their environment as justification for killing them. Intrinsically valuable things do not get more valuable as they mature like trees do. Yanking a sapling out of the ground doesn’t compare to unnecessarily destroying a mature oak in the same way killing a toddler morally compares to killing an adult. When my kids step on acorns in the driveway I think they are being silly. When an adult on a crossword expresses their pro-choice bona fides by declaring a willingness to stomp on human embryos I think they’re disturbed.

Other David 1:41 PM  

Last I knew, about 30 years ago it seems, AD was pretty much totally replaced by CE (that's for "common era" you know). Not everybody's a Catholic, it seems...

okanaganer 1:49 PM  

Didn't find this hard at all... barely 10 minutes, and I am not a fast solver. I thought HANGING BY A THREAD was great but MINGLE IN THE CROWD sounded like a bad translation from some other language.

I heartily approve of the simplified spelling of DIALOG; it reads just fine without looking jarring. Unlike some craziness like LANGWUJ for language.

[Spelling Bee: yd 3:30 to pg and another 15 min to QB. Tried some British style spellings which were rejected.]

Elizabeth Sandifer 2:05 PM  

The problem with this, obviously, is CHOU ENLAI, a ridiculously obscure for a Tuesday answer positioned so as to impact virtually the entirety of the bottom third of the grid, with ENLAI being adjacent to the trickily clued ORPHAN and ATM and the decidedly rarely encountered phrase EARLAP. Add one of those periodic parsing problems that would not let me parse the start of I MANAGE as anything but I’M and you have the hardest I’ve eaten dirt on a Tuesday in recent memory.

Anonymous 2:09 PM  

But the common thing is in fact Christ. It is simply an obfuscation to deny it. Use common era all you like, but the date still relies on the birth of Christ as its reference.

SharonAK 2:19 PM  

@ KBF and Pablo, if you are still around, Thank you for the chuckles. I have watched The Antique Road Show only enough to get what you were saying. (Took about three minutes on three occasions)
Puzzlehoarder and all the others who questioned how sedan is an alternative to a SUV. How is it not? ? Granted it is an increasingly rare alternative, but as one who does not like and refuses to buy an SUV-type vehicle,I say a sedan is obviously an alternative.
Thought the puzzle quite easy and enjoyable except tor the over use of the abominable "See..."

Anonymous 2:20 PM  


just do what is stated @10:33. if you really, really believe that "Human beings are intrinsically valuable", then take the positive step: support all stages equally, and pay for it yourselves. aren't the unborn worth your financial support, not just rhetoric???

Georgia 2:23 PM  

HA! No answers showing when I posted ....

Anonymous 2:24 PM  

Anon 2:20
What on Earth makes you think I don't give financial support to the unborn and their mothers?

Pete 2:27 PM  

@Anon 1:39 The only part there you're correct about is that seeds aren't trees, and when I rake up the acorns in my yard I'm not cutting down trees.

You're fond of telling me I'm wrong or that I simply don't understand things. Well, I'm not. What you're doing is asserting that 'humanness' exists at the cellular level, which I reject. I can defend my position, as there is absolutely no difference between a fertilized human egg and the dead skin cell my body just shed. None whatever. You can make a clone of me from a single cell of my body. A human cell is a human cell.

All your argument rests on some mythological understanding of 'humanness', your fact-less assertion of when it begins, and your rejection of a women's autonomy over her own body. I feely admit that I don't have any defensible definition of what 'humanness' is, or when it begins. But just because you have one, it doesn't mean yours isn't totally made up. You're asserting your understanding as fact, and expecting everyone else to abide by it, but it's just your mythology. Your mythology seems to trump everything.

In Roe v Wade the SCOTUS made a rare wise decision - As there is no defensible notion of when 'human' life begins, make it the point of viability for the fetus. There is no defensible way to move that point.

albatross shell 2:48 PM  

...Warning distasteful opinion ahead...

Why does the government have the right to force a pregnant woman to carry a fetus to term? Apparently because she got pregnant by choice. accident, rape and/or incest. Because a fetus is more holy than her control over her own body. And this sacredness determines her ability to choose even if her religious belief does not compel her to believe the fetus is sacred or she believes nothing is sacred. She must follow another's religious belief.

Even if she believes it is a a parasite or is a demon seed that will destroy her. Or just wants to protect her own physical and mental health because an early abortion is far safer than giving birth.

If you cannot convince her otherwise , why should she compelled by your belief?

Anonymous 3:01 PM  

A mythological understanding of humanness? As for viability, well an awful lot of those babies being aborted are perfectly viable in the womb. They'd do all right too if, you know, someone trying to kill them.
You're right about one thing Pte. I do enjoy telling you your wrong. But now I know your not just wrong but murderous.

Anonymous 3:07 PM  

albatross, I don't care what a woman does with her body. But her unborn child is a separate body with right of its own. She doesn't get to kill another person, regardless of its size or location.

Unknown 3:20 PM  

Thank you albatross shell (2:48pm) - your view is not unpopular with me, and thanks for stating it. It's pretty clear that quite a few people who are anti-abortion also hold the opinion that if a woman doesn't want to get pregnant she shouldn't have sex, and that being "punished" for having sex is a form of justice.

To Southside Johnny and others: "pro-life" to describe anti-abortion advocates implies that if someone is for abortion rights they are "pro death." Years of the anti-abortion crowd using "pro life" has unfortunately put that phrase into the mainstream. Frankly I'd call them by the name they really are: misogynists.

Woke Millenial 3:29 PM  

@albatross shell et.al. : Saying “pregnant woman “ is transphobic. “Birthing person” is the preferred nomenclature.

Pete 3:39 PM  

@Anon 3:01 - They're not babies in the womb. That's the point, and did you just forget that you said none of the pro-life folk don't differentiate between babies and fetuses? And, for the last time: post, then get drunk, then don't post anymore. You're an embarassment.

Scap 3:42 PM  

I loved it also!

Anonymoose 4:07 PM  


That pretty well sums it* up.

*Today's discussion.

Anonymous 4:12 PM  


begging the question: if the anti-abortion cabal is honest, and 'supportive', then what is required is a formalized, contractual obligation to serve all unwanted pregnancies. irregardless of reason. just like abortion on demand used to be. if these unborn are really so precious to you that you'll devote considerable, then you'll have made progress.

Shirley F 4:21 PM  

Of historical interest and relevant to today, the religious pilgrims in colonial New England did not consider a fetus as a living thing until the quickening, in the fifth month.

Aelurus 4:23 PM  

I’m mostly with Rex on this one, but was thrilled with the mention of IG NOBEL prizes, which “honor achievements that make people LAUGH, then THINK.” Scientists with great senses of humor, love it.

Checked to see where it’s been over the past two years. Last year there were Ig Nobels, just not in a theater. Being very fond of cats and often wondering what exactly they are saying (as, I’m sure, my two cats wonder about me), this link caught my eye: Susanne Schotz, Robert Eklund, and Joost van de Weijer analyze variations in “purring, chirping, chattering, trilling, tweedling, murmuring, meowing, moaning, squeaking, hissing, yowling, howling, growling [the euphony here], and other modes of cat-human communication,” including human-type (I take their word for it) sound graphs.

And Andre Geim! Geim won an Ig Nobel in 2000 for levitating a frog (yikes), and then an actual joint Nobel Prize in physics in 2010 for work on graphene. Could there be an actual Nobel in Schotz et al.’s future? Ailurophiles unite!

Was nice to see GNUS again. There’s a New Yorker cartoon about those bearded beasts and crosswords.

Mike G 4:28 PM  


Anonymous 4:30 PM  


Why does Radio Shack ask for your phone number when you buy batteries? I don’t know.


Why does the government have the right to force you to wear a seatbelt or a motorcycle helmet?

Mike G 4:32 PM  

Thanks for your contribution to the discussion. You gave me the motivation I needed to get off my behind and donate.

Gio 4:38 PM  

It's like when my wife miscarried, they took the sacred life and threw it in the medical waste bin with cysts and cut out tumors. I always found that hypocritical, that the Catholic Church never required that these early miscarriages be treated as sacred life and not disposed of down the toilet or in the trash.
I see now in Texas they are going to require funerals for miscarriages but the Pope isn't. In Texas they are gonna get the dead tissue and give it a coffin and burial plot.

Aelurus 4:42 PM  

I see lots of others feel the same about the Ig Nobel – hi, @Lewis, @amyyanni, @Hartley70, @Nancy, @Joe Dipinto, @beverly c, @Joseph Michael, @M&A. If there’s interest, here’s the official website.

Ben 4:47 PM  

Had a lot of the same issues as Rex -- Legal before LICIT, WASunCLEAR, MINGLE, and then "I have no idea what would be after MINGLE"

Anonymous 4:54 PM  

They’re not babies in the womb? Hmm. Ok.
As for attempting to direct my actions. No chance. I’ll post as I deem fit not, not you.
I’ll accept the moniker embarrassment so as long as you accept baby klller.

Anonymous 4:58 PM  

Gio, your rank ignorance is right out of the Know Nothings playbook. The Church has written authoritatively on miscarriages and the loss of sacred life. A ti Catholic comments like that are, frankly, abusive Mods.

Anonymous 5:21 PM  

@Shirley F:

Thank You!!! I had seen that (the wiki?) a ways back, but, of course, forgot. Along similar lines, the Founders and most Colonials were more like deists than today's Right Wing Evangelicals, prosperity Gospel and all that. The change happened in the early 1800's, The Second Great Awakening when lowered the level. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Great_Awakening_(United_States)

Beezer 5:26 PM  

@jberg…I don’t know if you will ever see this due to “thing” today, but thanks…food for thought on going blue. Lol. This will require some work on my part methinks. In the immortal words of Maynard G. Krebs…WORK!?

Anonymous 5:59 PM  


lots of people conflate them with morons, but that's not what they were about: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Know_Nothing

"The Know Nothings were a nativist political party and movement in the United States in the mid-1850s."
"Though the Know Nothings were originally a secret society of men who opposed Roman Catholicism, Irish and other Roman Catholic immigration, in many respects, they were a populist and xenophobic movement."

sound familiar?

in any case @Gio describe their specific experience, not Papal Doctrine.

Anonymous 6:02 PM  

You are 100% correct, it’s also true that those scents were intellectually bankrupt then, and, virtually nonexistent today.
Women carry babies in their wombs. Ever was it so.

A 6:21 PM  

ORPHAN DIALOGue (Happy 158th Birthday to Richard D’Oyly Carte!)

@Rex’s suggestion of the desert as a bad place to MINGLE tickled my funny bone, and I continued cackling when I got to “just ran fingernails down the chalkboard of my heart.”

I enjoyed the theme but only some of the fill, IGNOBEL and ORPHAN standing out IN THE CROWD. Very interesting to read about Zhou/CHOU ENLAI, who I remembered from the 70s. According to researchers, when Zhou was diagnosed with bladder cancer, Mao prevented the doctors from telling him the truth or giving treatment for the better part of a year.

Never heard of EARLAP and wanted earflap. The Online Etymology Dictionary’s entry on EARLAP: “No results were found for earlap. Showing results for earwax.” Sorry @Roo was robbed of that F.

I say boos to GEES and DOHS. BTW, there were an awful lot of GEES in the puzzle - eleven, and only one as a result of a present participle.

Hearty congrats, @Nancy for getting that Phrazle hole in one yesterday! When I saw it I hoped you might. That one occurred to me first but I rejected it and went “for the win.” Had to settle for two, like today:
⬜��⬜⬜ ��⬜⬜ ⬜����⬜⬜

�������� ������ ����������

albatross shell 9:06 PM  

Chou became Zhou sometime after 1971, I guess. I filled in the western half of the puzzle at a decent rate except for the extreme SW corrner. Getting WHEW and WOW eventually gave me that section. I needed to get IMANAGE and WASNTCLEAR before the Eastern half speeded up.

Liked the themers except for the MINGLE one which was only minor flaw to me.
It was an enjoyable solve and for a Tues I really had much fun.

I did my first phragle. For tries. Started with HIT and run instead of tic tac toe. I was thinking of baseball insread of car accidents. I made the mistake of ignoring the poossibility TIT because I didn't think of anything but breast and the Times wouldn't use that.

@anon 430pm
Radio Shack: because they want to sell you more stuff I guess or have a way if tracking their sales to you. Irrelevant qestion?

Seat belts: To save human lives and make sure products that Americans are using safe. It also saves fetal lives I suppose but I do not think that was a reason that was much mentioned. If they were particularly concerned with it maybe they would have had an earlier law about forcing pregnant women to wear seat belts. I guess you have knowledge of that that makes it relevant to my post. One would think you would have something to say more relevant than that. So I guess you don't.

kitshef 10:47 PM  

One of those days I was happy to miss out on the comments.

Hard for a Tuesday, but would have been easy for a Wednesday. They had to pick a slot and I'm happy it would up as a Tuesday, rather than giving us a too-easy Wednesday.

Anonymous 11:00 PM  

Babies get murdered by being torn limb from limb in a bloody mess in the womb and you’re upset that people on the internet don’t tell you their name? Cool story bro.

Anonymous 11:35 PM  

If you’re against abortion don’t have one but you don’t get to impose your religious convictions on me (especially since there are plenty of religions that support a woman’s right to determine her own bodily integrity)

Anonymous 1:47 AM  

Surprised that not one comment mentioned AGUE! That really threw me. I just assumed feverish symptom was ACHY or ACHE(for recon)

Wine Snob 8:02 AM  

@numbersnerd 9:48

You've elegantly proven how to cherry pick math to make a point, Napa themselves advertise and take pride in the value of their (rare) brand

Sure ...
There's a lot of wine from California, but little is true Napa quality (paraphrase)

So you're proving many equals rare

You must be a politician

Anonymous 3:53 PM  

I was sticking w the tic tac toe theme. I thought it meant the player filled in the o’s and the opponent was “out”. My brain is just weird.

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