Noted Apple release of 1968 to fans / SUN 10-31-21 / Alveolar trill as it's commonly known / Match-ending rugby call / Southern region of Mesopotamia / Northern curiously named apple variety

Sunday, October 31, 2021

Constructor: Alex Eaton-Salners

Relative difficulty: Easy-Medium ("Medium" is for the time it takes to figure out the theme, "Easy" is for the rest)


THEME: "Choice Words" —five  ___ OR ___ phrases appear in the grid; the "choices" they illustrate determine the "words" you write in the rebus squares that appear on the same lines as the ___ OR ___ phrases (the first option works for the Across, the second for the Down):

Theme answers:
  • THE WHITE ALBUM (21A: Noted Apple release of 1968, to fans) / REMISS (4D: Negligent) = (HIT OR MISS) (23A: Haphazard)
  • LIVER AND ONIONS (45A: Traditional British entree) / TIDIEST (35D: Least messy) = (DO OR DIE) (43A: Desperate)
  • MOUNT RUSHMORE (68A: Noted U.S. rock group?) / BLESSES (64D: Consecrates) = (MORE OR LESS) (70A: Approximately)
  • MARCHING ORDERS (90A: Military dismissal) / SHOUT AT (79D: Berate blisteringly) =  (IN OR OUT) (96A: "You game?")
  • WHIRLWIND TOUR (118A: Hectic trip abroad) / CLOSETS (114D: Places hangers hang) = (WIN OR LOSE) (116A: Regardless of the outcome)
Word of the Day: Northern SPY (126A: Northern ___ (curiously named apple variety)) —

The Northern Spy, also called 'Spy' and 'King', is a cultivar of domesticated apple that originated on the farm of Oliver Chapin in East Bloomfield, New York in about 1840. It is popular in upstate New York.

The Northern Spy was one of four apples honored by the United States Postal Service in a 2013 set of four 33¢ stamps commemorating historic strains, joined by BaldwinGolden Delicious, and Granny Smith. [...] 

Northern Spy produces fairly late in the season (late October and beyond). Skin color is a green ground, flushed with red stripes where not shaded. The white flesh is juicy, crisp and mildly sweet with a rich, aromatic subacid flavor, noted for high vitamin C content. Its characteristic flavor is tarter than most popular varieties, and its flesh is harder/crunchier than most, with a thin skin. (wikipedia)
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This is a perfectly serviceable Sunday. Weirdly, I don't think the grid needed the actual ___ OR ___ phrases at all. They seem entirely superfluous. The whole deal with rebuses is that you have to find them / work them out. Sometimes you've got a revealer to give you a clue, if you aren't able to just work it out from context, but today you don't need the revealer because you've got the title, so it's easy (-ish) to figure out what's going on with the rebus squares (once you realize there *are* rebus squares) by just inferring the concept from the title: "Choice Words," HIT / MISS ... "hit or miss," I get it. I really get it. I don't need HIT OR MISS to also be another answer on the same line as that rebus square. I want to say it feels remedial, but it's not even that, because it's not like having HIT OR MISS in the grid really helps that much. It's just ... well, as I said, superfluous. Decorative. A structural element that makes sense, but that is not a necessary factor in theme comprehension or puzzle enjoyment. I thought the ___ OR ___ phrases were going to be scattered around the grid at first, because the first rebus square I got was HIT/MISS, but the first ___ OR ___ phrase I got was DO OR DIE


Getting the HIT/MISS square made me notice DO OR DIE, and made me suspect that there'd be a DO/DIE square somewhere in the grid. Seriously, I was totally finished with the puzzle before I realized that the ___ OR ___ phrases were on the same lines as their corresponding rebus squares. The way I solve (primarily from working crosses), successive Across answers never seem to have anything to do with one another. I got THE WHITE ALBUM, and even though HIT OR MISS is technically the "next" Across answer, since it's in an entirely different section of the grid, I didn't see it until significantly later, and didn't bother to think about its positionality relative to the HIT/MISS square. 


The fill here wavers from solid to cringey. More solid than cringey, I'd say—I particularly liked most everything about the SE corner, for instance, from ICE BLUE east and ROLLED R south (57D: Alveolar trill, as it's commonly known). But there's a wet and dirty patch of short gunk in the middle, from ROUΓ‰ across through EASELS HSN NSA THON (!!) HRH NOSIDE (81A: Match-ending rugby call) and ending at ORIANA (71D: Journalist Fallaci who wrote "Interview With history"), that brought no joy whatsoever. I also think REMEET and ODEA are rough, US ROUTE is not deserving of stand-alone status, and TONNES *and* METRES is one too many britishisms. Also, how in the world are we still doing "AH, SO," facetiously or otherwise (112D: Semiserious "Got it!"). Nevvvver not gonna sound like someone doing a racist caricature of Asian-speak. But on to tastier things: I was just thinking today about how much cluing ambiguity leads to difficulty, and the example I was using in my mind was "Apple," which, even in musical clues, could have a bunch of different angles—at least three: iPods, Fiona Apple, and the Beatles' Apple record label. Then I solve this puzzle, which gives me not only the Beatles' label, but an actual, edible Northern SPY apple. My wife and I, in addition to having a farm share (which provides us >80% of the produce we eat through the summer and fall), bought into an *apple* share this year. We toured the orchard, and every two weeks we get a big box of apples, with different varieties (varietals?) as they come into season, complete with a little explainer leaflet, and sometimes pears! There's no point to this story except I love apples. I don't think we've gotten any Northern SPYs (spies?) yet this year. They're upstate apples, though, so ... maybe. Fingers crossed. Enjoy your Halloween.

Signed, Rex Parker, King of CrossWorld

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126 comments:

Joaquin 12:13 AM  

So ... this was, according to @Rex, "a perfectly serviceable Sunday (puzzle)."

My mileage may vary. And whaddya know; it does. I thought this was the best Sunday in forever.

Frantic Sloth 12:27 AM  

I should have quit this one while I was behind.
What. A. Slog.

Yes. Yes. Clever theme - even fun to grok at times. Filling it in? Not so much. Another arm-breaking, self-congratulatory pat on the back for the constructor on his feat of strength. Save it for Festivus, please.


Almost had a DNF because I decided it would be less traumatic to end a fairly long streak than to continue banging my head against the wall trying to find my "error".
I was just unsure enough about my mid-east answers to consider using the "check" feature when *smack* my forehead forgot to duck and I realized "2 opposite words rebus!!" This meant my only "mistake" was how I filled in those %&#$# squares!
Gof forbid I should try to enter both options, with a dash between them (which is what worked the last time this crap appeared) because it was not accepted.
Honestly, I am so sick AF of this cranky-go-round of "will it or won't it?" approach to filling in the grid because they can't just pick one "right" way and stick with it???

Pick and stick, NYT! Pick and stick! It's not rocket brain!

This just completely ruins an experience that was previously only disappointing.

Also, I always seem to be on the outside looking in with A.E.S. puzzles. I can't explain exactly how, but there is usually some veil of obfuscation that shrouds my noggin - even with common words.

Is he from the U.K. or somewhere else where they don't speak the English language as Gof intended, i.e., like we do?

Anyway, with all the teeny-tiny letters in the rebus squares, these are all I see:

THE WEAL BUM Aw! Did someone get a spanking?
LIVE RANNIONS And the planet Rann would like to keep it that way
MOUNTRUSH Hazing ritual at Sherpa U
MARCH GORDERS (var.) Early Spring squash hunters
WHIRL DTOUR Seriously, does anyone enjoy the potential discombobulation of a DTOUR?

And here's my ride.


🧠🧠🧠
πŸŽ‰πŸŽ‰

Whatevs 12:51 AM  

I am never ever going to care about rebus medieval horse shit puzzles. They are nonsense.

Never posted before. Never will again. Likely.

But puzzles should please, amuse, mystify and etc.

But refer to white heraldic runes.

So say I.

okanaganer 1:15 AM  

@Rex, I used to live in an apple orchard, in what was zoning wise, a "picker's cabin". Which I rented, tho I was not actually a picker. The owner didn't have any Northern Spy, in fact I have never heard of that variety. Ambrosia, Gala, although my fave is still good ol' Spartan. But I got the correct Apple right off the bat, thought of the WHITE ALBUM, and presto off to the races.

I finished and didn't get the Happy Pencil (AL diehard me via Scraper), but revealed the "incorrect" squares and actually I had it right, just a formatting mismatch. Personally, I liked the revealers put in line with the rebuses.

After yesterday hating KPH, I'm glad to see METRES today. That's how it's spelt.

[SB td pg -1, missing a 7. 2 hours to go but not optimistic.]

jae 1:47 AM  

Mediumish. Parts of this were pretty easy and other parts were not, plus it took a while to catch how the rebus worked and I did get slightly bogged down in the ORIANA area. Nice Sunday diversion on a Saturday evening, liked it.

egsforbreakfast 2:06 AM  

I have to agree with Rex that the “spelled out” versions of the rebusses seem superfluous, other than from the perspective of a self-imposed construction obstacle that has been overcome.

I personally would prefer some In’‘n Out to INOROUT, but it doesn’t speak to the problem of “where’s the beef?”

I absolutely adore EMMYLOU, but putting her above THEWHITEALBUM may be REMISS.

DOORDIE looks like a term for doing a chicken-out while you wait for your prom date to answer the bell.

A choice Sunday puz, on the whole. Thank you Alex Eaton-Salners.




Monty Boy 2:06 AM  

I liked this one a lot, except for the specifics of the rebus. I got the trick early but not the rebus form. I had "hit or miss" in the cell, no music. I had 'hitormiss", no music. I had "choice" (see the title), no music. I read Rex and tried "hit/miss" and got the music. Maddening to have to try all the combinations. Some past rebuses (rebi?) allowed several forms of the correct answer, but this one is quite specific. I guess there are too many imps and rascals in this one.

Other thoughts:
Didn't like 64 across. Yeah, it's a valid word, but not a fan of executions. I'll bet Lewis has 89 down as a favorite clue/answer of the week. It's one of mine. My only lookups were PPP which doesn't count as cheating (my rules). Not having any musical talent, I got an F in music. I'm guessing F for loud means forte? Help from you musically talented folks who got and A? As a recent MacBook user, I bit hard on the Apple misdirect, looking for something computer related. I'm old enough to know the White Album, didn't know the music company. And then there's 126 across to complete the fruit theme. Does ALB on consecutive days relate to the Biden/Pope meeting?

EngineEar 2:32 AM  

How does one fill in the rebus answers in the app? X/Y, XY, nor XORY has worked yet for me.

Conrad 5:44 AM  


I had an oddly difficult time getting started in the NW. Something in me refused to believe that 1A could be as simple as PAT, and I had oneonone for 3D. So I moved downward and eventually got MOUNT RUSH[MORE] (because what else could it possibly be?), and figured out the theme when B[more]s made no sense. As @Rex said, after that it was easy. But it took me a very long time to convince myself that ROLLEDR was right. "Did Esther ROLLE get a medical degree?"

Tony in Vietnam 6:05 AM  

I knew the answers, had no idea what to enter in the five rebus squares but finally guessed. Is there any rule in this particular case?

Lewis 6:19 AM  

This one kept my brain cracking right through to the end, a true Puzzle. Even after figuring out the theme, for instance, filling in the remaining theme answers was not a slapdown fest. There was figuring out the theme answers themselves, then figuring out what went in the rebus square, and where that rebus square would go.

On MARCHING ORDERS, I had MARCHIN(GO)RDERS, which fit, and was trying to figure out if the GO cross would be STOP or COME, and it was quite a while before I saw that it was actually MARCH(IN)GORDERS.

Then there was vague cluing – skilled vague cluing – that kept me off guard throughout. And the marvelous [Fare that’s eaten hands-free] that kept me what-the-hecking for a good while, only to HOL (“Hah!” out loud) when it finally hit me.

The result was a most satisfying feeling at completion. A “whew!” melded with an “aah!”. That is what I hope for on Sunday. And you delivered mightily, Alex. You are a pro. No MORE OR LESS about it. Much gratitude for this!

Lewis 6:36 AM  

@engineear -- At the NYT blog "WordPlay", the blogger says:" If you’re stuck on any of the rebus rules, using HIT OR MISS as an example, the following variations should be acceptable: HIT/MISS, MISS/HIT, HIT, MISS, H/M, M/H, H or M."

PhilM 6:56 AM  

Got the rebus, but as a Brit, I have a few issues: tonne is a metric measure, and is not adopted in Britain; what has HRH got to do with Westminster - that’s where MPs sit in HMG, not the royals; and No Side is now regarded as antiquated and replaced by Full Time.

bocamp 7:14 AM  

Thx Alex, for a fun Sun. puz! :)

Tough.

Dnfed on a careless TALiS / MiNI crossing. Once again forgot to double check before filling in the final cell. :(

Knew mock trial; learned MOOT court.

Not on the right wavelength today, but a most enjoyable adventure, anyway. :)

@puzzlehoarder πŸ‘ for 0 yd
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yd 0 / td pg -9 (grateful to get pg; may spend some extra time on this one)

Peace ~ Compassion ~ Tolerance ~ Kindness to all πŸ•Š

EdFromHackensack 7:24 AM  

Lewis, same exact with me MARCHINGORDERS. I had the GO and looked for stop and go. This puzzle was a workout for me but I liked it a lot. One of the many times I’m glad I still do the hard copy. So often when people complain about the puzzle it’s really the app they complain about.

Colin 7:27 AM  

L liked this, and enjoyed the construction it took to include the full rebus answers right next door. (It also made the puzzle a little easier, once you saw this.)

"Head for the hills," LOL.

I'm OK with the Brit'isms. One might include THEWHITEALBUM, Westminster, "Churchill War Rooms," "traditional British entree," and perhaps even MOOR, too. AE-S is an Anglophile? Well, thank you for this very pleasant Sunday.

Anonymous 7:41 AM  

I know this will not be a popular comment, but feel it is necessary. As much as I value and utilize this blog, I feel that the quality of Rex's writing has diminished, at least on Sunday, the only day I read. His writing has become so turgid, so repetitious, that it becomes a chore to read. I do value his insight, but maybe some editing would be beneficial. As is often the case: less is more.

tc

Andree R. 7:50 AM  

Normally I would not compare one puzzle to another, however I must recommend today's Wall Street Journal puzzle over the New York Times. It is interesting, varied, intelligent and fun to solve and has a Halloween theme ! This puzzle is boring, dull, and, as Rex points out, redundant with the revealers. There were Halloween indicators all week in the NYT and today we get nothing about the day? Yes, this puzzle is well constructed, but no fun to solve.

Joe Dipinto 7:54 AM  

I love the flower girl
Oh I don't know just why,
she simply caught my eye


I'm embarrassed to say that ARTIE Kornfeld was my first answer. He wrote "The Rain, The Park And Other Things" by the Cowsills, but I had no idea he had anything to do with Woodstock. Nice to find these things out.

I was hoping for a big Halloween spread, but this was a perfectly fine Sunday puzzle. Not terribly exciting, but I didn't care. Kind of weird to use "Mano a mano" as the clue for TOE TO TOE, though. Yeah they're both descriptors for a one-on-one confrontation, but if you don't know any Spanish you may come away thinking that "mano" literally means "toe" when in fact it literally means "hand".

Treats and no tricks to all! I think it's only fitting to celebrate with the original version of a Halloween classic performed by OFL himself, back when he spelled his name with a final "e".

Son Volt 8:05 AM  

Like a big Thursday puzzle - I liked it. It took real chops to include the rebus and full phrase on the same line - not an easy task and pulled it off without the look what I can do attitude. Agree with Rex on most of the fill - some good some awful. ACHED FOR, TOE TO TOE, AVARICE, TOUCH OFF are all really good. The short glue and things like CYLONS, IDEE, ORIANA drag the overall experience down.

Saw EMMYLOU in Providence at Brown as a budding 16 year old in ‘76 - other than her looks she did nothing for me. Same year we saw the RAMONES four or five times - at Max’s, CBGB, with Blondie in Poughkeepsie - all life altering type of events.

A rare enjoyable Sunday solve.

Sioux Falls 8:11 AM  

Ok… so my problem was THEWHITEALBUM crossing ALB in exactly the place it would if the theme was one of those go up and down … so I had THEWHITEUM and couldn’t find any other examples that fit this pattern. Then got the DO/DIE rebus and the rest ….

Anonymous 8:24 AM  

A perfectly good puzzle ruined by the fact that figuring out what the software wants to see in the rebus squares is harder than figuring out any of the answers. Save this rebus garbage for the kiddie menus at IHOP.

Tom T 8:28 AM  

Here's your clue for the hidden diagonal word of the day: What this is (see the answer below)

This puzzle took me forever, partly because I worked it during the comeback win for my beloved Atlanta ballclub! I really liked it. Being much more versed in U. S. sports and not so much in rugby; and having no idea how bindis translates to REDDOTS; and being ignorant of anyone named ORIANA, a lucky guess on the ID brought on the happy music.



Answer to this morning's diagonal word clue? CLUE (Beginning in the 7D block and descending to the SE. (I decided that it would be a stretch to think of the person solving a clue as the CLUEE.)

Lewis 8:31 AM  

@montyboy -- Oh, I loved that OUTHOUSE clue too, but in 1999 Patrick Berry clued it as [Head for the mountains?], almost exactly the same. If an exact or practically an exact dupe of the clue has been done before, I count it as a disqualification for the list.

Joe Welling 8:33 AM  

"didn't bother to think about its positionality relative to the HIT/MISS square"

I'm pretty sure the word you're after is "position."

Joe Welling 8:35 AM  

@EngineEar

X/Y worked for me. It's a Sunday grid, so maybe you have a typo elsewhere?

thfenn 8:36 AM  

That newfound expertise I was enjoying seems to have been misplaced. Quite a slog, and trouble grasping the rebi even with them staring at me from next door. Loved "head for the hills". Thought USROUTE was at least fun, having been at both ends. Enjoyed being reminded of what cupidity is. And of course, have to love ending at FEN. Lol, my people. Happy Halloween.

Trey 8:37 AM  

I loved the puzzle. Loved how the rebus and ‘or’ answers were on the same line. Truly enjoyable. Got stuck on “Alveolar trill” as I was thinking of all the medical terms for breath sounds (rales, rhonchi, wheeze, etc etc).

thfenn 8:42 AM  

@Son Volt, I saw Blondie in '76 (I was 18) somewhere near Hartford. Went on quite the Blondie binge for years after.

Son Volt 8:42 AM  

NYT app solving PSA - whenever I encounter two-way or dual rebus entries I just enter the across string and have no issues.

amyyanni 8:57 AM  

Happy Halloween. Going to start my first Stephen King novel in keeping with the season. Glad this puzzle is history.

Anonymous 9:00 AM  

FWIW: I did this online and in the REBUS squares I just typed in the horizontal answer option and that was accepted. As far as the crossword was concerned, my time was 35 minutes which says it was 'somewhat challenging'. I found a high % of the answers more obliquely or cryptically clued than usual, which slowed me down a fair bit. And even though I grew up in England and played rugby, I stared at NOSI__ for ages before recalling NO SIDE. When I finally got it, I fully expected it to be part of Rex's daily rant (up there with TRYSAIL). But he was so obsessed with "Ah so desu ka!" being racist (it isn't) that he must have overlooked it.

burtonkd 9:13 AM  

Northern Spy is sitting on my windowsill from a recent farmer's market, one of my favorites from our upstate vendor!

The theme played just about right since I didn't see a title; might have made it one shade too obvious.

F in music: 4th degree? subdominant? fa? Didn't recognize it as a dynamic marking right away when not in bold and italic.

How exactly is ABC a keypad triplet? They are not next to each other - any three letters or characters will do:)

kitshef 9:15 AM  

Perfect for Hallowe'en -- lots of treats and one big trick.

But if I'm allowed one wish ... it would have been better if 'trick or treat' could have been worked in as a themer.

smalltowndoc 9:20 AM  

I really enjoyed this puzzle. I wasn’t the least bit annoyed by the _ OR_ formatted answers on the same line. They were a useful hint early on and sped up the solve later on.

For me, in the NYTXW app on my iPad, filling in the rebus squares with X/Y worked.

SouthsideJohnny 9:20 AM  

Lot’s of truly BIZARRE stuff included today - DEUS (?), ROUE, TONNES, SUMER (?), Elvish (?), ODEA, CYLONS (?) - even HEP CAT, which probably was in vogue when JFK was still President. Omg, what is going on here ? ? ? I’ll take it on faith that these are real words - but, wow they are exotic, even by the NYT’s convoluted standards.

Can anyone explain how POPE fits with “See captain ?” - no one has mentioned it, so it must be obvious and I’m just missing it.

I usually find that Rex’s write-ups are more enjoyable when he leaves the woke crap at home and confines is comments to the puzzle construction, but I do feel that he has a valid point with AH SO. It does seem a little tone-deaf at least.

Anonymous 9:25 AM  

Ick. What a stupid slog. DNF.

Anonymous 9:35 AM  

@SouthsideJohnny, 9:20 AM: About the Pope... The Pope is the head of the Holy See. Kinda of the captain, then. But yes, it took me a little while to figure this out, even when I had "P_P_" in the grid!

Colin

Joe Welling 9:36 AM  

@SouthsideJohnny

For the POPE clue, think Holy See.

Matthew B 9:38 AM  

The Holy See

The Hermit Philosopher 9:45 AM  

DNF. Hated it. A stupid slog, indeed!

Noreen 9:54 AM  

See Captain; The RC Church, or Rome, is the Holy See, or realm, of the Pope.

kitshef 10:06 AM  

@burtonkd - on a phone keypad, ABC are together.
@SouthsideJohnny - the Pope is the leader, or 'captain', of the Holy See - the diocese he heads.

Barbara S. 10:10 AM  

I felt I owed it to my avatar to comment today.

My feelings about this puzzle evolved over time. The first rebus I got was MOUNT RUSH[LESS]/B[LESS]ES, and I thought, “MOUNT RUSHLESS? This is the groaniest puzzle humor ever.” And when I got WHIRL[LOSE]DTOUR/C[LOSE]TS, I thought, “And not only groany, but incredibly convoluted – terrible.” But as I kept going, it gradually dawned on me that one half of a pair of choices applied to the acrosses and the other half to the downs, so it wasn’t MOUNT RUSHLESS at all, but MORE in the across and LESS in the down. OK then, that’s kinda clever. It wasn’t until after the solve that I realized that the relevant choice pair occupied the same row as the rebus answer and that, I thought, was cleverer still. In every case, I filled in the correct answer for the down clue in the rebus square, and that worked fine in the app.

Amusing clues for some of the 3-and 4-letter words: PEN (It might click for a writer), TNT (Cause of boom and bust?), OFT (What’s frequently used by poets?), POPE (See captain? -- "The Holy See" = jurisdiction of the POPE), NERD (Fluent speaker of Elvish, say). Hey, cluers, look north: METRES and TONNES are *both* used in Canada. (“You load 16 TONNES and what do you get?/Another day of metric and confused as all heck.”) I had a terrible DOOK moment on DOORDIE – just couldn’t parse it at all for a second. And I thought SURELETS must be minor certainties. Nice to see EMMYLOU Harris – I think much of her stuff transcends genre, but I’m glad to see her honored by the Country Music people. BEHEAD – eek! well, it is Halloween – interesting to see it bookended by BLESSES and DEUS. My husband was watching “The ABC Murders” the other night – John Malkovich is unlikely but surprisingly effective in the role of Hercule Poirot. REZONES, REMEET, REMISS, REDDOTS – OK, I’m now officially rambling and will stop.

Happy Halloween to those who…um…like to get gratuitously spooked!

Teedmn 10:14 AM  

I HIT upon the theme, finally, at THE WHITE ALBUM, when I wonderingly repeated REhit, REhit? for "negligent" and then noticed the HIT OR MISS to the right. Aah, I said. After that, since I had most of the OR phrases in place, it was a matter of figuring out where the cross went in the theme answers. LIVER AND ONIONS, MARCHING ORDERS and WHIRLWIND TOUR were fairly challenging for me to see the placement, though it should have been obvious - it's where the down answer isn't making sense!

This was fun but hardly a Halloween tie-in puzzle. I suppose we have RASCALS and IMPS trying for trick-or-treat THRILLS and ghosts who SAID BOO. And perhaps a BEHEADed horseman. I would have been disappointed to get SMARTIES in my candy bag - chocolate all the way for me.

I do think the clue for OUTHOUSE, 89D is a bit too, too something.

Thanks, AES, nice Sunday puzzle: a rebus SchrΓΆdinger with bonus.

Barbara S. 10:22 AM  

Forgot to add:

yd: -2 (no excuses)
td: not started

Diane Joan 10:26 AM  

@JoeWelling Yes it pays to look for errors other than the REBUS entries. I had three small errors that I missed and unfortunately had to have the app "check the puzzle".

Anyway I'm sitting here with a giant bag of candy for the trick or treaters to give out in a remote manner and feeling very jealous of Rex and the "apple share". I guess I should mosey on over to one of the farm stands around here and get some nice fresh ones!

Happy Halloween to all of you!

Anonymous 10:27 AM  

I agree 100%, though not as vehemently. (I still enjoyed the puzzle.) Especially when the partner clues made it look for all the world like you were supposed to enter, e.g. "HITORMISS" verbatim. Either pick and stick as Frantic Sloth says, or count any rebus as right if the first few letters match.

Anonymous 10:54 AM  

I HATE rebuses (rebusi?) Crosswords are fun because there is one letter per square. Call me old-fashioned....

oceanjeremy 11:04 AM  

I do love a good rebus, and this was no exception! FiancΓ©e and I didn’t quite *race* through it, but no intense resistance anywhere.

I don’t understand “AH SO.” Either as a racist Asian stereotype, or as meaning “Got it,” or as being “semi serious.” It’s just two two-letter words. I guess I just can’t place the context or something.



Responses to yesterday’s comments:

REGARDING MY FIANCΓ‰E’S LACK OF PARTICIPATION IN THE COMMENTS: I have passed along to her everyone’s encouragement to join the party. I think she spends more time on the NYTXY subreddit. I do like seeing her comments on here, but I know better than to try and push her to do something she doesn’t want to do. It does not typically end well for me. ;)

REGARDING THE SHRUG EMOTICON: the eyes/mouth are from the Japanese syllabary called Katakana, for the syllable pronounced “tsu” — ツ. (The “shi” syllable will also work, especially if you want your face to look a little stoned: γ‚·)

If you’d like to use it yourself, you’re in luck if you’re an Apple user. You can google “idklol” and find the emoticon, the copy/paste it into your “text replacement” function under “keyboards” in setting. This will work both on iPhone and MacOS. Personally I have it set to insert the emoticon whenever I type “idklol,” but you could use “shrug” or “shruggy” or whatever phrase you want (tip: make it something you’ll almost never type outside of wanting the emoticon to appear).

If you use Android I have no idea — hopefully there’s a text replace function somewhere?

If you are on desktop PC, and use Chrome, you can install an extension called “Canned Responses.” Copy/paste the string of text and use it as one of your canned responses.

Hope this helps! ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Wanderlust 11:06 AM  

This was a case of frustration turning to delight on a dime. Just wasn’t getting the theme and had all these tiny clusters of empty boxes all around the otherwise finished puzzle. Finally saw the trick and zipped through to the finish. I thought the theme worked great, and I did use the “- or -“ answers (which were all filled in) to get the rebuses.

Lots of great clues in the fill, especially for PETFOOD, NERD, POPE, OUTHOUSE and USROUTE. (The latter works especially well because the “one” in the clue doesn’t mean “a,” it refers to the actual Route 1.

Northern Spy is such a great name, so I looked up its origin. One source said it was named for an 1830 novel about a wily abolitionist. And Wikipedia says that the staff of the Toronto Globe and Mail sent a box of them to Joseph McCarthy in 1953 as a joke. Love that! The answer also made me think of an underrated TV show called “Turn,” about spies during the Revolutionary War. They were based in NYC, Long Island and Philadelphia, so they were Northern Spies.

CDilly52 11:10 AM  

I struggled for an hour AFTER I had figured out the theme, the trick and all the non-theme words in order to figure out how to depict the theme because the ___ OR ___ words were actually in the dang puzzle right next door to the “has to be a rebus” place!! (Well, that was a crappy sentence!) Caused a very sloggy solve. And I care not a whit if sloggy isn’t a word. It is today because this was painfully sloggy like walking in combat boots without socks througb quicksand. For miles.

I really think that the theme was a good idea, and I was excited to see today’s constructor, usually one of my favorites. Overthinking on the constructor’s part perhaps? Whatever it was, I wish my “streak hubris” didn't get in my ego’s way because that is an hour I can’t get back. Should have taken the DNF. Maybe we need a DNF* category for the ones we actually finish in our heads but don't have the energy to slog through.

Could be my sinus headache in its 9th day is causing my excessive snarkiness. The allergy situation here is just insane.

The fill was easy, and the theme was handed to us. The irksome chore of figuring out how much of the theme phrase to put in the rebus square and what if any dividing character needed to go between the ___ OR ___ words took all the time. I can only imagine how the “speed solvers” in the neighborhood resent that wasted time because I resent it and usually don't care at all about my solve time.

Sheesh! I will quit now. And look forward to the next Eaton-Salners opus and apologize for my rant. I may have gone a bit overboard. Mire sinus medicine please.

Nancy 11:17 AM  

Brilliant! And so unexpected! And so welcome! A Sunday rebus! What could be better?!!

And, of course, in the very best rebus puzzles, the best rebus answers all vary from one another. That's what makes them both challenging and engrossing. This puzzle had been frustrating me no end...until I picked up the rebus at MOUNT RUSH[MORE]/B[LESS]ED. But how did that explain RE[MISS]? And what on earth was going to fix TIDST?

It suddenly occurred to me that there were going to be many different rebus pairs and that I'd better figure out what they were soonest!

This was a superb "I was blind and now I see" sort of puzzle. Gone, eventually, was my bewilderment over any 3-letter synonym for "negligent" other than LAX (RE[MISS] at 4D). Gone was my bewilderment over TIDST. And so many different and wonderful revealers! Some I discovered in a bass-ackwards way -- after first ferreting out the corresponding rebus pair.

Best Sunday puzzle in ages!!! Great job, Alex!

Pattywack 11:22 AM  

Am I the only one who saw "Apple release" and thought Apple computers and then had SUDAN (10D) for Southern region of Mesopotamia instead of SUMER because I don't know stuff like that, and because anything doing with Battlestar Gallactica can be spelt any which way also had "CYRONG" instead of CYLONG, which resulted in the last part of 21 across reading EARBUD and not ALBUM? Once I had my heels dug in on EARBUD...well there was no way I could see anything else.
I did eventually solve it but it took a while.
BTW I absolutely needed the Hit or Miss clues.
I liked this one a lot! Just hard enough.

thefogman 11:25 AM  

I thought Rex would be more critical of AHSO than he was. He’s mellowing out. Must be the apples…

TJS 11:26 AM  

Well, this one required more thought than the run of the mill Sunday, so there is that. And I read up on what a bindi is, so I got that goin for me, which is good. That's about it. Bye.

GILL I. 11:29 AM  

Do you want to hear my story? No? too, bad...I'm telling it. First, though.....I have to wipe my latte from my computer because I just read @Frantic. Thanks a lot!. Next I will say: Oh good gravy poured over LIVERANDDODIENS with a squeeze of sriracha aioli and ketchup. First of all....I don't care if Alex is a Brit or not. I'm married to one and if you're going to clue a traditional British entree, then it better be Fish and Chips, Bangers and Mash, a Toad in the Hole and Steak and Kidney Pie.....LIVER and Whatever? No.
Got that off my heaving chest so I feel a tad better.
Then we have that Mano a Mano clue at 3D. You give me TOE TO TOE? Ay, Dios Mio....Do you know where your toe is? Do you know where your hand is? I need a Margarita.
OK...so I looked at this thing and thought "OK...so this took some architecture and all that but......did you like it? you ask..." No. It was a DOORDIE effort to try and fit I all my little letters in a tiny box. I like a good rebus like the next guy, but,(sorry Alex) this was torture.

At least today is Halloween. I love Halloween. Our little granddaughter is now three years old and she's been wearing her 90 million different costumes for the last 3 months. She's one of my reasons to live. I can't wait for tonight.....

anonymous 11:30 AM  

For years we only got the Sunday NYT, so I began solving with the Sunday puzzle. Puzzles like this got me hooked. Life was busier and so I usually solved while commuting; it took me most of the week. But the word play, puns, and rebuses made it fun for me instead of a vocabulary test. A good distraction and satisfying.

JerryH 11:32 AM  

Since when does a rebus require a /. Ruined my streak. And wasted a lot of time looking for wrong answer.

Joseph Michael 11:52 AM  

Trick or treat? This was both a trick and a treat.

Brilliant puzzle. Struggled along with almost nothing to show for my efforts until a series of aha’s lead to understanding the theme. Then it became fun to figure out the OR duo and the corresponding rebus. I know that computer programs are involved in constructing a grid like this, but I still can’t imagine how anyone could pull this off. Bravo, Alex.

Puzzle also offered some great clues. My favorites were those for MOUNT RUSHMORE, THE WHITE ALBUM, PET FOOD, and OUTHOUSE.

Can someone please explain the meaning of yd and td at the bottom of some comments? It seems to be a rating system of some kind, but all I’m coming up with are yards and touchdowns. Sorry, I missed the memo.

RnRGhost57 12:13 PM  

In the year 2021, there is no excuse for AH SO.

Major props to Emmylou, the Ramones, and Blondie. I’ve seen all of them live, and it’s possible even for a rock ‘n’ roll ghost to love all three.

Beezer 12:32 PM  

@Nancy pretty much recapped how I felt about the puzzle. I love it when the theme actually makes sense and there is a very low level of “bad” fill to boot! Hah! I got to the end…no congrats. I check to make sure all my I haven’t fubarred my rebus entries, check. I’m convinced it is a bug in the system and finally press “check puzzle.” ARGHH! I had EMMILOU! A DNF for me but still a psychological WIN.

Got a kick out of the clue for 13D. At first, I’m thinking…oh no…Frodo, Bilbo, Hobbit, Orc, Dwarf. Then I’m thinking “what was the name of that damned Elf in LOTR”? No, same answer for “one who may know Klingon.” Catches me every time!

Very enjoyable Sunday.

Joe in Newfoundland 12:40 PM  

nit: an ALB is not clerical wear, it is for anyone in the sanctuary, clerical or not.
ps thanks for fixing the reCAPTCHA

Rango 12:40 PM  

Ditto

Ken Freeland 12:42 PM  

πŸ‘

Rango 12:45 PM  

Hated it

Carola 12:45 PM  

Really hard for me. Sometimes we talk about theme density; today's issue was the density of the solver. It took me almost to the end before I saw that the "explanatory" choice phrases corresponded to the other entries in the same row, which for the life of me I hadn't been able to make heads or tails of. Then the puzzle changed from an exercise in frustration into "Wow, terrific!" I have to disagree with @Rex's finding the written-out phrases superfluous: I definitely needed to see HIT OR MISS in order to get THE WHITE ALBIUM/ REMISS. Hats off to Alex Eaton-Salners for the constructing wizardry and a challenging Sunday.

Anonymous 12:49 PM  

This was fun. I had an early inkling with 4D. Seemed like it had to be REMISS. The first light came on a little later when I really wanted LIVERANDONIONS but too long. Then wanted TIDIEST. My actual thought was "Well, is the square DO or DIE?". (Aha moment) I had not yet seen the title or 43A (DOORDIE). So then I wondered if the others (there had to be others) would be
DO/DIE or something else, and where would they be in the grid. Both questions were soon answered.

Masked and Anonymous 12:56 PM  

yep. Seems like this was one of them many SunPuz's that had somethin to both please and displease everybody.
For M&A, that breakdown was like this:

* Luved the theme's extra different twist, with the two-way rebus squares echoed in spelled-out form, within the same row. Generates a lotta theme material.

* Didn't luv the absence of the crucial Halloween-related SunPuz theme, with Halloween fallin splatz-dab right on this Sunday. Suggested fix: One of the two-way rebus values coulda been: TRICK(or)TREAT.

* Luv any puz that features an OUTHOUSE entry. And it's sorta tipped over, for Halloween.

* Theme was absent much humor, but did have some nice ahar moments. Sooo … on the fence, there.

* Twelve U's. thUmbsUp.

* Some nice, raised-by-wolves style clues. Primo example: {See captain?} = POPE.

staff weeject picks: In honor of Halloween, gonna pick the two weeject entries that scared M&A the most: WAR & IRS.

Thanx for the mostly non-scary non-TRICK-or-TREAT workout, Mr. E-S dude. Pretty good job, for any other Sunday [and that date placement ain't yer fault].

Masked & Anonymo12Us

Happy Halloween!!
M&A best attempt at a monstrous tricky treat:
**gruntz**

Jeannie 1:13 PM  

Thank you for speaking up about “AH SO.” It gives me Mickey Rooney in breakfast at Tiffany vibes.

A 1:21 PM  

My schoolteacher mom would say the clue for SADDEST should be “Furthest down.” I still liked it, along with “See captain?” “Head for the hills” and “What’s frequently used by poets?” Oh, and the clue for FETA.

“F in music” - I always tell my students it literally means strong, even if the band director says loud. I also sometimes tell them to think of piano as meaning soft to the touch, gentle, instead of quiet. Keeps them flexible.

I was held up by two tangles in the SE. First, I had meyer in before SACHS, fouling TOUCH OFF and OUTHOUSE. Also didn’t know Puerto Rico is on AST, and observes it all year. Got those straightened out but still had to wrestle with ORIANA and RED DOTS crossing NO SIDE. Knew what a bindi isn’t (okra - that’s bhindi), just forgot what it is. Maybe I’ll remember next time.

Other than that, a pretty enjoyable Sunday - entertaining and enlightening. Liked the “choice words” trick - THE WHITE ALBUM is a fav, so knew something was afoot early on. Hadn’t seen the word guff in ages. Didn’t know about the SPY apples. Didn’t know LIVER AND ONIONS was considered traditional British. Mr. A loves it - I love the smell but can’t get past the texture. Learned the technical term for ROLLED R. Still have to find out what HRH stands for.

Medieval composer Phillippe de Vitry has a Halloween birthday. Here’s a short example of his vocal music, Vos qui admiramini.

Frantic Sloth 1:22 PM  

@Son Volt 842am, et.al. Thanks. That's kind of what finally worked for me on the website. (I don't/won't use the app.) Using only the first letter of the across word worked...this time. Last time (and usually) I tried the word/word approach - which is what populated the squares upon completion today - and it was not accepted then.

That one needed a "-" between the words. This is my point. Have a consistent, acceptable format everywhere. I'm not a programming genius (but the NYT tech team is supposedly packed with them) and I simply don't get why if it works once it can't work always. Or have all conceivable variables work.
I'm tired of complaining about it and others are tired of reading about it, but sometimes the ridiculousness of it all is just too much.

Personally, I would so much rather a legit DNF than play eeny meeny miny mo-fo every time there is a rebus.

@GILL 1129am Ha! You're welcome! And you cited some examples of what made no sense to me - also looked for bangers & mash, fish & chips - even spotted dick, but LIVERANDONIONS definitely seems off - like MANO A toe. What the hell?
Now after reading some comments, I've concluded that AES probably isn't a Brit. And I hope all our friends from the UK understand the tongue-in-cheek nature of my English language statement. I should think it would be obvious that I was joking, but one never knows, do one?

And yeah, as others have mentioned, why no Halloween theme today of all days?

Upstate Therese 1:29 PM  

I'm not understanding how "win or lose" is a choice. I might choose to win, but that doesn't guarantee I will. Same with "hit or miss." If the local market is "hit or miss" I might get there on a good day (hit) or a bad day (miss), but my choice doesn't seem to enter into it.

Anonymous 1:30 PM  

I hate rebi. Quit while I was ahead.

The Gridians 1:40 PM  

What are these yd / td / sb / db abbreviations I keep seeing?

FMA 1:48 PM  

About 1/3 into this puzzle I figured out the rebus - at that point I just wanted to press the solve and move on. What is that old adage about regretting the things you didn't do in life... Boo

Anonymous 1:58 PM  

FWIW, I really liked this clever theme

RooMonster 2:01 PM  

Hey All !
I did like todays puz, but ...
You mean to tell me, with the 973 puz submissions Will says he gets every week, and the fact that all the "regular" constructors knew Halloween 2021 was a Sunday, that there wasn't a single HalloweenSunPuz that was good enough? I call Phooey!

*Ahem*

Thought this a good puz. I liked the fact that the __OR__ answers were included. Added to the puz for me, not detracted like Rex opined. The ORs actually helped me find the Rebopodes. (πŸ˜‹@Zflavoroftheweek)

What made me mad was the AGRONOMY/Apple craziness. Seriously? Unless you have an apple subscription (lower case a, as in the fruit [which I believe came first, tough to tell anymore πŸ€ͺ]), who knows about a Northern SPY apple? Plus LIP as clued (guff is more a LIe, bunkum, balderdash) and HOTNESS seems passe, if it ever was a thing? Ouch section. Another Ouch section was NOSIDE/ORIANA/REDDOTS/ROLLEDR/DUES (is it DEUx) area.

Was the thought for a concert chamber an ODEA idea? Yeah, I know...

Four F's
RooMonster
DarrinV

Blue Stater 2:03 PM  

These Sundays just get worse and worse, something I had not thought possible. This one is a metagimmick -- a gimmick (the "choice" -- I guess -- words) built on the gimmick of the rebus, both of which, and certainly their combination in a foul mess like this, belong in Games magazine and have no place in a general-audience newspaper's crossword puzzle. Check out the New Yorker puzzles. They are far superior.

Lee Sammons 2:07 PM  

I don’t think US ROUTE fails as a stand alone answer. The clue says ONE runs down the coast. Yes, US ROUTE ONE.

okanaganer 2:10 PM  

@Joseph Michael and @Gridians: td, yd, pg, -2 are shorthand for today, yesterday, pangram/Genius, and missed 2 words, at the Spelling Bee.
[Me: yd pg -1]

pabloinnh 2:14 PM  

AS someone who nearly wore out the WHITEALBUM and can still sing along with any song on it using the actual lyrics, I am ashamed of how long it took me to stop thinking of today's Apple merch. I mean, really.

I'm experienced (old) enough to have done puzzles of this ilk before and agree with paper solvers that "not getting the happy music" is not a cause for dismay. You fill it in, you say "I'm done", you check it against the actual grid, and you give yourself the happy music, or not. Also, puzzles like this I have done before have never had the non-rebus iteration spelled out in the same line, and I found that interesting but unnecessary.

I think I became interested in Spanish because of my superior ability to produce an alveolar trill. Now that's fun.

Today's DOOK for me was REDDOTS. I can never remember what a "bindi" is and was trying to place where the REDDOTS were from. Maybe I'll see RED DOTS a little sooner next time. That would be refreshing.

Great stuff, AE-S. An Amazingly Entertaining-Sunday, for which thanks. You can be on my Sunday All Star Team any time.

DigitalDan 2:46 PM  

I originally decided that the trick was going to be substitutions of "AND" for "OR" and the inverse. For British meal I had BANGERS OR MASH, etc. Ultimately therefore I was sort of disappointed that it was just a rebus with a twist. Nice exercise, though.

Aelurus 3:22 PM  

When Sunday rolls around and the NYT crossword is available, lately I wonder if I’ll take the time to be disappointed. But today is Halloween and I was hopeful.... And I was rewarded with one of the best Sundays I’ve done in a while, on so many levels!

Even had several nods to Halloween in SAID BOO, BEHEAD, VILE, (do or) DIE, LATE, RASCALS, IMPS, POSSESS (a la Linda Blair), and SEW UP (Frankenstein), if I’m not missing any.

Not only a rebus, but Alex managed to specify the contents of each of the five rebuses in the same row! I discovered this extra piece of Halloween candy about halfway in and it was helpful in completing a couple of themers. Such as THE WHITE ALBUM, which I’d thought of at the start but discarded; it was the last answer in.

Happy Halloween, everyone! And thank you, Alex, for such creative fun!

Blake E. 3:26 PM  

@Jeannie- LOL forgot about that.

TTrimble 3:26 PM  

This took me close to twice as long as other recent Friday puzzles, so I wouldn't say "easy", although the revealers were a help. There was some strange misdirection involving distal body parts; for example, "eaten hands-free" whereas the usual eaters of PET FOOD don't even have hands, and "Mano a mano", literally "hand to hand", becomes "TOE TO TOE". (Which reminds me: I read somewhere -- it was in Gilbert Highet's analysis of the Gettysburg Address -- that "TO" in Lincoln's Kentucky accent was pronounced "TOE".) Some of the other misdirection, like "Noted U.S. rock group" (MOUNT RUSHMORE), is quite delightful, and I also liked "See captain?" (POPE).

Some of this was well outside my ken: CYLONS, NO SIDE, ARTIE. "Alveolar trill": a good excuse to READ up on some phonetics.

TALUS I know from SB*. For "____ of Alexandria", Lighthouse wouldn't fit, and then I remembered PHAROS. N.B.**, @SouthsideJohnny: PHAROS belongs on your list. Probably TALUS too.

MENSA: I think I forgot to thank whoever it was here some months ago for linking to the podcast "My Year in MENSA", which was fascinating and deeply saddening, as well as not terribly surprising in hindsight. Well, let me pay it forward.

Agree with @A: I don't think of LIVER AND ONIONS as specifically British. And while it might smell good, yecch -- LIVER, no thanks. BTW, @A: HRH stands for Her Royal Highness (or His depending on the year).

I had a similar reaction as @burtonkd to "F in music". Felt like dirty pool to me.

For some reason, I hear AH, SO in a German accent before I even think of some gross Asian caricature from cartoons of yore. (I think the reason is that I've spent a certain amount of time around Germans.)

*Spelling Bee, another NYT word game that is well known here. "td" = today, "yd" = yesterday, "dbyd" = day before yesterday, "pg" = pangrammatic genius, which means you got all the pangrams for that day and hit the so-called genius level as well. (Some delightful old-fashionedness in the pangram arena yesterday.)

**Nota bene. It means "note well".

emily 3:26 PM  

Yay!! A west coaster here, so I never see if my reply is posted has a reaction. But I slogged thru this & hated it, but was pleased to see that someone agreed with me, which doesn’t happen often!! HAPPY HALLOWEEN πŸŽƒ

emily 3:32 PM  

Yay!! Me, too!!

Georgia 3:32 PM  

They're reporting their progress/results on another NYT puzzle, Spelling Bee. They revealed it for all to understand once, but I can't help with that because I forgot.

Georgia 3:36 PM  

It was a long ago rebus that had the first 3 letters of every month in 12 different spaces that made me fall in love with the Sunday puzzle. Endorphins exploded. Different strokes ...

Aelurus 3:47 PM  

@Barbara 10:10 am - In the spirit of Halloween and your avatar, I rummaged around my laptop and found a pic of a pumpkin carved several years ago, and swapped it in for today.

@A 1:21 pm – Thank you for the lovely choral post!

Anonymous 3:59 PM  

This was a brilliant puzzle - a Hall of Famer. Congrats Alex. The gripers are complaining about their stupid online apps? That has nothing to do with the puzzle. Others are bitching that it is not a Halloween theme. Big deal, get over yourselves and go watch a horror movie and feed the trick or treaters because you are missing the point here.

What? 4:21 PM  

Lot more fun doing Patrick Berry’s puzzle

Joe Dipinto 4:25 PM  

@A and @pablo – I'm glad some people like The White Album, but I think it's my least favorite Beatles' record. It doesn't hang together at all, for me. Though I did see The Fab Faux perform the whole thing live once (a friend gave me his ticket when he couldn't go at the last minute). It was actually pretty enjoyable.

Which reminds me:

The Black Album


The saddest key

Joseph Michael 4:49 PM  

@okanaganer, thank you for the yd, td, pg, etc. explanation. Now it all makes sense. As for myself:
td pg (but it wasn't easy)

Anonymous 5:07 PM  

I'm going to bet that The Puzzle has never had a 'double rebus' before? is it even 'legal' by the Xword rule book?

Barbara S. 5:08 PM  

@Aelurus 3:47 PM

I love your Halloween avatar. I enlarged it on my screen the moment I saw it. Absolutely gorgeous carving. Did you do it or did someone you know?

Anonymous 5:15 PM  

Hated this so much and I usually love his puzzles…this was annoyingly difficult and unnecessarily so…the hint in the title obviously worked for holier than thou Rex but there was absolutely nothing fun or amusing…nice try calling it easy…

JennyO 5:18 PM  

Northern spies were my upstate NY mother's favorite apple.

Nancy 5:57 PM  

As I was merrily filling in the rebus answers on good ol' paper (once I figured out what the answers were) in a way that I could interpret and no one else would ever have to, I thought: Thank heavens I don't have to figure out how some stupid gadget wants this done. (I would have had no idea, actually.) I figured that all the rebus-hatred today would be expressed by gadget-solvers, and so it was.

On my paper edition, DO OR DIE went in as D/D. MORE OR LESS as M/L. IN OR OUT as I/O. And WIN OR LOSE as W/L. As long as I knew what my shorthand meant and as long as it went in the right square, it was fine. There was one exception: HIT OR MISS went in as "MISS" because I had REMISS long before I had THE WHITE ALBUM. I never heard of THE WHITE ALBUM and assumed it was going to be THE WHO ALBUM. Or THE WHO'S ALBUM. Neither of which fit. I had to get MORE OR LESS before I got HIT or MISS and figured out THE WHITE ALBUM.

But when you solve on paper, there's no one there to tell you how you may or may not enter any given rebus answer. Which is so...liberating!

Wellmet 5:59 PM  

My excuse for dnf is doing a double rebus on my phone. I had a much better shot with the print version, but it was a very clever puzzle.

Anonymous 6:18 PM  

@Nancy:
I never heard of THE WHITE ALBUM

holy moly!!

even the kiddies these days are into The Beatles: https://www.forbes.com/sites/bryanrolli/2020/07/14/beatles-bts-1-million-albums-2020/
"Half a century after their breakup, The Beatles are still the biggest rock band of 2020, shifting 1.094 million album-equivalent units through the first six months of the year"

https://www.considerable.com/entertainment/hobbies/who-is-streaming-the-most-beatles-music-its-the-kids/
"The digital magical mystery tour is powered in large part by teens and 20-somethings, not the boomers who first caught Beatlemania. "

you need to get hip. :)

kitshef 6:29 PM  

If anyone wants to try @Georgia 3:36's puzzle it was January 3 2016.

Aelurus 7:16 PM  

@Barbara S 5:08 pm - Thanks! I had fun carving it using those helpful little pumpkin saws and a pattern from one of their many books. Imagine having a job creating fabulous image guides for pumpkin carving!

pabloinnh 7:27 PM  

@JoeD-I liked the variety and the audacity of the White Album, but it was also a function of time and place, senior year in college and listening with best friends while playing various air instruments. Stuff you'll never do again.

Anonymous 7:50 PM  

Some scary stuff for your Halloween...
AH SO!
NIP!
CHINK!

RUN, RUN FOR YOUR LIFE!

Nancy 8:31 PM  

@Anon 6:18 -- Here are the Beatles albums I know: Abbey Road and Sgt. Pepper. I know them mostly because of my very musical brother and his widely divergent tastes. He kept me up to date with what was happening in music for many years. But when we were no longer living in the same apartment, his influence on me waned.

I never liked the Beatles all that much, truth to tell. Jimmy once quizzed me on various Beatles songs: Did I like this one? Did I like that one? After making a fair number of queries (all of them taken from Abbey Road, if memory serves) his face lit up and he pronounced to me what he had learned about my taste in the Beatles:

"You like McCartney songs. You don't like Lennon songs," he concluded. I hadn't even known there were two distinct writers involved in their output, much less who had written what.

For what I was listening to back then instead of the Beatles, you can look at my blog profile. I really do like a lot of different kinds of music, but the Beatles have never "spoken" to me. Not then, not now.

Eniale 8:59 PM  

I'm going to be kind to self and not say "Simply not clever enough, me that is" and put it down to being laid low by booster shot. Suffice it to say that I finally realized there were lots of rebuses involved but that the across ones didn't work downwards so WTF.

And as for SB - pg -8

Anonymous 9:15 PM  

Played tougher for me.
Bindis = REDDOTS?, See Captain = POPE? Heath = MOOR?
and ROUE, ORIANA, NOSIDE, MUNI (never been near SF)

stephanie 9:27 PM  

fuckin' hell! rex may be a genius but i am but a remedial dunce, apparently. this was almost impossible for me. all i knew for a long time was that the answers that should go places, didn't fit, and the chunks that didn't fit didn't seem to have anything in common with each other. this was on some thursday bullshit for sure, but i see that they needed the space of a sunday grid to pull it off. finally had to get out the pen and paper and write the answer i wanted out - then i finally had the "hey, wait a minute..." moment. honestly, to me, it was an impressive feat. unfortunately, it was mixed with too many crosses that i had no idea about to really give me that sense of excitement and pride - at some point, totally frustrated, i just started googling some answers which i never do. (AMES, SUMER, EMMYLOU [who in hindsight i had heard of], SPY, FSU, PHAROS...to say nothing of the several i got by crosses that fell into the "okay, if you say so" category.) also had BART for MUNI which didn't help matters for a time. not sure how POPE is "see captain?" nor how AH SO means "got it!" semi-seriously or otherwise. (but here in boston we do love our AH-SO sauce!) don't know what a MOOT court is, not real crazy about TOUCH OFF for triggered. but it's done now, and i no longer care. there were some gimmes, some great clues, some smiles, some forehead slappers, but between the unknowns and not grokking the theme until dead last, they just got overshadowed a bit today.

the beatles clue was nice. that release date is my birthday, although quite a few years before i was even a thought. speaking of, years ago on my dad's 50th birthday i commissioned a cake from a well regarded local bakery to look like a record. (he's a collector.) the whole experience ended up being an absolute nightmare with a bakery seemingly staffed solely by idiots. BUT! i was determined, and ended up decorating the cake myself. some black food coloring and a new plastic comb made for a lovely record with grooves and all, and my local grocery store helped me to print an edible record label to place in the center. i chose the beatles' let it be, with the big green apple on it. i photoshopped it to change the title to "let it be a record setting 50th birthday." it was - excuse the pun - a big hit!

stephanie 9:35 PM  

@Andree R. yeah, after the spooky bits in other puzzles this week, and with halloween actually today on a sunday i looked forward to a good and/or [candy] corny holiday theme. alas, there was none. however, SAID BOO was cute.

Alicat 9:39 PM  

Loved the puzzle. Doing it in the magazine, no problem with app bells and whistles lol.

The Mano a Mano clue: when my Cuban physiotherapist asked me to sign an insurance form on his iPad with my TOE, I gaped startled, asking WITH MY TOE? Yes, he replied. Later I found out that the Spanish word for toe is the same as for finger!

Alice

stephanie 9:46 PM  

@GILL I. - personally, i wanted bubble and squeak :)

stephanie 10:09 PM  

@Aelurus beautiful pumpkin! i did a similar thing one year with the pattern and the little tools - it was an owl on a perch. it came out really cool, but it was unwise for me to choose that during a pumpkin carving party i was hosting...everyone was done with their more reasonable designs long before me and i almost gave up, lol! glad i persevered though, probably the nicest pumpkin i ever did.

stephanie 12:08 AM  

ps, does anyone know if the WSJ puts the sunday puzzle online? i'd like to try it out (online as i don't have a printer), but i only see saturday & monday's puzzles offered on the puzzle page. thanks!

Pinky 12:23 AM  

Yes, F for fortr

spacecraft 12:14 PM  

Tough, because I wasn't expecting a Sunday rebus. ("Well, on this ship, you've got to learn to expect the unexpected." --STTNG, "Lessons")

I had to leave the rebus area of the NW blank since nothing was making sense. Never got much of a foothold in the east till later. Finally figured out that the "rock group" (hah!) had to be MOUNTRUSHM
O
R
E. And then immediately saw BLESS. Raced back up to the NW and then "Of course: THEWHITEALBUM! How could I be so REMISS?

My way in, and no-doubt DOD, was EMMYLOU Harris. After finally getting the McGuffin, the east opened up like a flower. There were still a few rough spots, so I'd say this falls into the challenging category, maybe a sort of reverse medium-challenging, as in harder at first than later. Challenging-medium??

Anyway, of the Fri/Sat/Sun set, I rate today's the toughest. Having the "choices" spelled out as entries--and directly opposite their rebi--doesn't bother me that much, but surely would ADDTO the construction difficulty. Props for that. Some resulting fill junkiness, but not enough to prevent a birdie.

Geome 2:27 PM  

A sign of the times - and of NYT puzzle-solvers - that Oriana Fallaci remains unknown to so many. I was surprised however that OFL - our feckless?...fearful? - leader did not rise to the bait. I can only put it down to ignorance, as Fallaci represented everything that Mickey loathes.
The high priestess of political incorrectness - she being the only human being ever to openly defy (and actually get a smile out of) THE Ayatollah - was everything that Christiane Amanpour can only wish,in her wildest dreams, to be.
Courageous, provocative, brilliant, insightful, inspiring, and so much more.

These words from Fallaci's Wiki bio do not even begin to tell her story but may give some the impetus to learn more:
"Her book Interview with History contains interviews with Indira Gandhi, Golda Meir, Yasser Arafat, Zulfikar Ali Bhutto, Willy Brandt, Shah of Iran Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, and Henry Kissinger, South Vietnamese President Nguyα»…n VΔƒn Thiệu, and North Vietnamese General VΓ΅ NguyΓͺn GiΓ‘p during the Vietnam War. The interview with Kissinger was published in Playboy, with Kissinger describing himself as "the cowboy who leads the wagon train by riding ahead alone on his horse". Kissinger later wrote that it was "the single most disastrous conversation I have ever had with any member of the press".[2] She also interviewed Deng Xiaoping, Andreas Papandreou, Ayatollah Khomeini, Haile Selassie, Lech WaΕ‚Δ™sa, Muammar Gaddafi, MΓ‘rio Soares, Alfred Hitchcock, and many others.

She died in 2007 and we will never see the likes of her again.

One can only imagine what she would make of Mike and the Wokies - those whose sphincters tighten at the sight of an 'Ah So" in a crossword puzzle of all things.

It is to dream...

Burma Shave 3:00 PM  

INOROUT, LASS?

OFT TOETOTOE with her HOTNESS,
I ACHEDFOR THE THRILL of EMMYLOU's kiss,
but SHE's like a SISTER, MOREORLESS,
there won't BEHEAD, AND I'll have to RE-MISS.

--- LEO SACHS

rondo 3:25 PM  

@Geome - agree with your comments re: ORIANA Fallaci, well-earned yeah baby.

Technically for 123a, USROUTE One runs from Fla. to Me., not vice-versa. ROUTE descriptions always go from S to N and from W to E.

One of the better Sunpuzzes in memory. Does AES ever make it easy?

Diana, LIW 4:23 PM  

I prefer crossword puzzles to fill-in-the-random-blank with whatever the constructor was thinking puzzles. Just sayin. I HATE, HATE, HATE the rebi anyway - this was one of the worst examples. (Gee, Di, how do you really feel?)

Diana, Lady-in-Waiting for Crosswords

Mark J 4:57 PM  

Can someone explain how "Head for the hills?" is OUTHOUSE?

Brett Alan 8:14 PM  

On a ship, the "head" is the bathroom. Therefore an outhouse is the equivalent to that sort of head, but to be used in rural areas, which can include "the hills".

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