Word of the Day: CLU Gulager (5D: Actor Gulager of TV's "The Tall Man") —
William Martin "Clu" Gulager (born November 16, 1928) is an American television and film actor and director. He first became known for his work in television, appearing in the co-starring role of William H. Bonney (Billy the Kid) in the 1960–1962 NBCtelevision seriesThe Tall Man and as Emmett Ryker in another NBC Western series, The Virginian. He later had a second career as a horror film actor, including a lead part in Dan O' Bannon's The Return of the Living Dead (1985). He also was in A Nightmare on Elm Street Part 2: Freddy's Revenge (1985). In 2005 he started acting in his son's horror films -- the Feasts movies and Piranha DD -- in his 80s.
This is a wonderful example of how a puzzle can be old-fashioned but In A Good Way. By "old-fashioned" I mean it's not flashing ultra-contemporary colloquial phrases and pop culture names, but its fill still feels thoughtful, polished, fresh, and very much in the (general) language. It feels like the best-constructed stuff used to feel a decade+ ago, but unlike a lot of older puzzles, it is conspicuously lacking in the kind of short repeaters that pros know by heart and novices just stare blankly at (i.e. a certain kind of crosswordese). In short, this didn't feel like it was *for* younger solvers, but it also didn't feel particularly exclusionary of them. And that's all anybody (i.e. me) wants—make the best puzzles you can make, and make them to *your* tastes, but give *everyone* a way to enjoy them. Balance out your cluing so that people outside your particular demographic feel invited in, not ignored. That way, we get a huge variety of puzzle styles and sensibilities, and everyone's mostly happy most days. This is the future liberals (i.e. me) want!* Old and young, content streamers and eremitic cave-dwellers, cats and dogs, all solving contentedly together! It would be weird, yes, but like popping bubble wrap (apparently), it would also be ODDLY SATISFYING.
["Well I spent some time in THE MUDVILLE NINE ..."]
The 15s on this are both solid and stylish. Three of the five are general phrases anyone might say, the other two are narrower in their focus and do suggest a lean toward a certain demographic (i.e. NPR listeners old enough to have "Casey at the Bat" be a seminal part of their elementary school experience), but you wouldn't call either DRIVEWAY MOMENTS or THE MUDVILLE NINE particularly obscure or dusty. In fact, the only answer in this puzzle that made me think "whoa, there's a throwback" was CLU Gulager, a name you used to see a lot but don't see much any more, as his career faded more solidly into the past and constructors began using software that helped them be less reliant on the proper-noun repeaters of yore. But just as I think older (say, my age and older) solvers should come around to learning new pop culture names (within reason! I still have "YouTuber" resistance!), I think it's important for younger solvers to look on old stuff they don't know not always as stuffiness or staleness, but as stuff they just didn't know yet. Also, CLU Gulager is great! Try some! Watch 1964's "The Killers," where Gulager and Lee Marvin just ooze bad-guy cool ... also co-starring Angie Dickinson, John Cassavetes, and Ronald Reagan in his final film role ... as the movie's *real* bad guy. It's fun.). Anyway, though the puzzle feels like its cultural center of gravity is well back in the 20th century, it comes forward a number of times, picking up the magnificent DANA Owens (aka Queen Latifah) and Cyndi Lauper and TARA Westover and trap music (ATL) and a lot of other things that remain current. I enjoyed this a bunch.
I never got very hung up during this puzzle, but I never really got up a racer's pace either. Faster toward the bottom, but that's pretty typical (the more you've got in the grid, the easier the rest of the grid gets, in general). I thought I might race through the grid after I blew the top section open very early:
But THE MUDVILLE NINE took some work, for sure, and difficultish cluing made the short crosses not always easy. I struggled to get stuff like SUM TOTAL (great answer) and to remember stuff like NEVIS and to parse stuff like THE ONE. I also did not understand the clue on TOES (3D: Answer that would be more apt at 10 Down?) since 10-Down was [Romantic's dream] and yeah, *some* people are romantically into TOES, it's true, but I still felt like I was missing something there. Then I noticed there was no "-" in "10 Down," which made me look at that phrase a new way ... and *then* the aha dropped. You have "10" TOES "Down" ... well, down there, where your feet are. Assuming you have both your feet. A fake cross-reference! Turns out I like those better than I like real cross-references!
Some more things:
26D: Topographical map feature (RIDGE) — had RI-G-, wrote in RINGS :(
23A: When "Ma is gettin' kittenish with Pap," in "Carousel" (JUNE) — I don't think I've seen "Carousel," and the clue gave me strong Ma & Pa Kettle / L'il Abner vibes, so I thought the answer would be more yokelish slang, and I had -UNE, and, well, I am not ashamed to tell you that I sincerely considered SUNE (a backwoods variant of "soon"?!?)
40A: Give away (RAT ON) — had --T ON, wrote in LET ON :(
32A: English football powerhouse, to fans (MAN U.) — short for "Manchester United." I've seen it in puzzles before and every time I look back over a grid that it's in, for a brief moment I think "What the heck is MANU!? I don't remember that clue?" It is bizarre in that it looks like some awful obscure crosswordese but it's actually a right-over-the-plate (to borrow a metaphor from a different sport), perfectly common colloquial term for one of the most famous football clubs in the world. MANU > NANU (NANU)
Signed, Rex Parker, King of CrossWorld
P.S. omg does the DRIVEWAY MOMENTS clue actually have an NPR pun in it!? 58A: Times when NPR listeners are enGrossed enough to linger in their idling cars ... as in Terry Gross? Host of "Fresh Air"? Well, if it wasn't intentional, I still heard it, so the violation stands!
Tougher than medium here. Needed more than a little help from Sergey & Larry. CLU Gulager was a WOE, as was MANU. Had "epodes" instead of SONNET at 11D. Thought immediately of fingers for 41A, but was looking for something ending in nails, not ONS. Good, challenging Saturday.
What a perfect clue for ODDLY SATISFYING. Popping bubble wrap gives me that “Aaahhh” every time. And triple-aaahhh for a puzzle that stretched my brain in just the way I want on Saturday, with lots and lots of figuring out and remembering. My easiest moment was slapping in DRIVEWAY MOMENT with no crosses, and then the gauntlet began, that sweet sweet gauntlet that I crave. Thank you, gentlemen!
There is no worse clue than the lookie-loo. There is no worse lookie-loo than the middle-finger-flashing double lookie-loo which offers no help at either end. Get. OUT!!
Then there's the "joke" I either didn't get or got and thought was dumb. TOES is more apt at 10D? Is it only because one has (presumably) 10 toes and they're...down there...on the feet? Can that possibly be all it means??
Truly, I (obvi) love dumb jokes (Hi, @GILL, @Roo!), but they gotta land. This one is locked in earth's orbit. Then again, it might gain some "so bad and dumb, it's hilarious" mileage if I sit with it a bit....[checks watch] nope. Sorry. 🤷♀️
And what's with all this ableist crap about assuming everybody has 10 toes?? Some of my best friends have no toes...well, okay, one of my friends, but still. Oh, bother - *I* don't even believe me. 🙄
It may surprise you to know that I actually really liked this puzzle. So much good stuff like ICOULDEATAHORSE (why are the food/eating ones always among my faves??) and oh, just all of the grid-spanners, frankly. The fill was above average, too, and that's always a treat when it (so rarely) happens.
Nothing like a couple of pros to show us what a solid, enjoyable crossword puzzle should look like. Thanks, Mr. Lieb and Mr. Wilber, for the very pleasant Saturdee.
Zounds. No chance here to finish w/o cheats, so I did. Still left me with many enjoyable challenges and challenging clean ups in various aisles and corners. Seeing THE MUDVILLE NINE emerge was a treat. I knew DRIVEWAY MOMENTS. I had CAn you ELABORATE. My last corner clean up. Spotting SATISFYING from a four letters and getting the ODDLY was exactly that.
A math pun I couldn't see and the poem I didn't remember was a SONNET: O Albatross, how could it be? Wheelhouse losses. The Shame.
SHEBOP and the Ian JANIS. More slow on the uptake wheelhouse.
@Rex Never fail to mention Karen Black whenever you get a chance. A intriguing and gifted actress with one eerie collection of movies. She is always worth seeing no matter how rotten the movie.
CLU and the gang were a joy in Once Upon a Time in Hollywood.
Side Eye towards Team Shortz as I wrote in I COULD EAT again, and on the second line. What’s worse than too cute by half? Too cute by three-quarters? This might have even been too cute by seven-eighths. And this is clearly an editorial decision, since there’s no way Lieb/Wilbur could conspire with Earl to make this happen. I believe Shortz is on record somewhere claiming such “coincidences” are coincidences. Capital Bull Capital Shit on this being a coincidence. I dunno, maybe some solvers like the leg up of seeing such similar answers on consecutive days in the same spot. I am not one of those solvers.
But that’s not the puzzle’s fault, and this was a fine Saturday. I had no CLU on 5D, but then forgot all about him and was surprised to see that he was in the puzzle and the WOD. And that was typical of my solve, anything I didn’t know quickly came from crosses with minimal teeth-gnashing. Was surprised at the JANIS Ian clue because, well, click on the link, that’s why. Knowing nothing about the show, is the name choice an intentional reference? Maybe one of the writers is a ex or something? I know very little about the earlier JANIS Ian other than that song was popular when I was a teen.
One last slightly raised eyebrow… When was the last time somebody played a LUTE to serenade someone? In my mind it would have been somewhere around April 1616.
Other than these little TOES stubs a pretty straightforward and pleasant solve. Like Rex, I left with a feeling that this would be pretty accessible to everyone, but the early comments suggest some struggled more than I would have thought.
As an NPR listener who could recite "Casey at the Bat" (ten thousand eyes were on him as he wiped his hands with dirt) and watched Clu Gallagher westerns as a kid, loved this. Plus Cyndi, Queen L, and Janis. Happy Saturday!
Maybe it was yesterday's subliminal influence, but I looked at 15A and noticed that ICOULDEATAHORSE fit exactly. but dismissed it as too obvious and went elsewhere. Even when it turned out to be right later I did not feel oddly satisfied, just dumb for not putting it in right away.
NEVIS is sort of like "nieves". Must have been all that tropical snow that inspired the name.
Quick, name another Gulager.
Hand up for DRIVEWAYMOMENTS being a gimme. Most often heard in fund raisers for our local public radio, as in, don't you love those DRIVEWAYMOMENTS?
Everyone should try writing a sonnet at least once. I wrote one about playing tennis with my friends, and the constraints of a sonnet are like playing tennis with a net.
Still don't know what "trap music" might be and find tattoo SLEEVES bizarre. Chacun a son gout and all that.
Very fun Saturday JL and BW. I felt Just Like a Big Wheel after nailing this one.
Wonderful Saturday - light on trivia and clean spanners. Really liked ODDLY SATISFYING and THE MUDVILLE NINE. Hand up and disdain for doubling up on I COULD EAT - especially after some of the comments here yesterday. Loved the clues for CALCULUS and SUM TOTAL.
Shelley, Ian, Lauper and the great Pine Tree State in the same puzzle is pretty cool. Always thought YAMMERED had a complaining/whining connotation.
Highly enjoyable solve this morning. Wilbur is becoming one I can count on.
Ok, I will confess - I was completely baffled by PET SCAN (I had never heard of it) - and my first thought was “omg, that sounds like something you do in a TSA line”, then I started thinking “does a vet really have a one-size-fits-all x-ray machine for animals?” Hopefully, I am not firing on all eight cylinders this morning, cause if I am this is not a good sign - and yes, I now know that PET is an abbreviation for some technical term.
I also didn’t get the clue for TOES till I read OFL - I agree, it’s dumb, it tries too hard, yada yada - call it a swing and a miss by the constructor. I disagree with Rex on CLU - I don’t care if the guy was a reasonably famous actor, we are talking about a black and white television show that aired when John Kennedy was president - give me a break. I don’t know what Rex was smoking, but it sure sounds like we are listening to his alter-ego today (or maybe he pals around with the constructor) - either that or he has been abducted by aliens and his column is being ghost-written by someone who is not well versed in all things Rex.
A couple of other stumpers - SLEEVE tattoo (possibly those jobs that span someone’s entire arm - they are almost invariably ugly, and I imagine would be painful as well as labor-intensive). Additionally, the only PRESS ONS I’m aware of are the fake tattoos, lol. Digital Applications ? Is this another TOES attempt at humor - like something you put on your feet or something? Still don’t know - I turned to Uncle Google for assistance, but he just pretty much scratched his head as well.
Lewis describes my solving experience well. Mind-stretching while figuring out and remembering. So satisfying that I forgive the outrageously stupid clue for TOES.
I'm going to see if Netflix has The Killers. I saw it when it came out in 1964. It has some of my favorite actors. I seem to remember that CLU Gulager has a distinctive voice. The movie used the title of a very short Hemingway short story but had practically nothing else to do with it.
@albatross shell (7:04). I'm also a big fan of Karen Black. Was she mentioned in Rex's piece? She's not in The Killers.
I looked up the Trap Music Museum. Trap music is a kind of rap music associated with drug using.
I stalled in the SW. I incorrectly had PLEASEELABORATE. I called in The Closer and she got SHOTDOWN, cancelling PLEASEELABORATE and allowing us to finish.
I learned DRIVEWAYMOMENT. I don't listen to NPR. Very cool term.
What a difference a day makes. I made sure I printed out the puzzle last night and had a terrific on paper solve. This was no surprise as stacked 15s tend to be low hanging fruit. Cold guessing 15A right off the bat got me off to a good start. I could only confirm it with AID, SONNET and USNA. This was typical of how the fill went. I didn't fly through it but there was always something to hang my hat on everywhere I went. I have no idea who CLU Gulager is but puzzles beat that name into my head years ago. Guessing that 1A had to be some kind of SCAN meant that CLU was the only thing that would fit. Always great to be on the constructor's wavelength. Getting a clean grid on paper felt like a redemption after yesterday's phone generated fiasco.
I couldn't understand what @Z was ranting about until I remembered that I skipped the puzzle yesterday and looked it up. Lord. Egregious. Maybe Shortz thinks it's funny.
And Rex, if you had ever seen Carousel you would remember it. Wonderful. Download it. That goes for the rest of you.
Well, I had a devil of a time up top. More on that in a MOMENT.
I thought I was primed to have a for-me great solving time, as the bottom got filled out (OUT) pretty quickly. But hang on a minute: we just had CARE TO ELABORATE recently (June 18). I thought that was a little weird. Likes: learning the birth name of that force of nature Queen Latifah (DANA). Also, putting in ODDLY SATISFYING with some measure of confidence was, well, ODDLY SATISFYING*. Really, the bottom half I thought was beautifully executed, both the answers and the cluing. Slight cartoon question mark at DRIVEWAY MOMENTS: I enjoyed Rex's take on the cluing, but I have to say that expression is absolutely not in my vernacular.
Side note to Rex: I think of Cyndi Lauper as thoroughly 20th century. I've seen her face recently, but only in some ad about a skin ailment treatment. Oh wait, maybe there's Kinky Boots as well! Okay, never mind then. There's probably other recent stuff I don't know that she's been up to.
There's also a lot to admire up at the top, but man did I have trouble. Loved the cluing for CONGAS ("Goes along with the party line?"). CALCULUS: def in my wheelhouse. In fact a lot went in, but for some reason I was not seeing ORIG for Master (although, yeah, now I get it) -- was seeing bRIG? instead, weirdly, and wanted pEnS instead of TEES which I was not seeing either, and I kept thinking ACTS up even though that was clearly the wrong number of letters. Really stuck on THE MUDVILLE NINE, aargh. In my ADDLED confusion I toggled between HORSE and HOuSE (and earlier, was experimenting with something along the lines of "I'm hungry as a horse", which makes a lot more sense to me than "I COULD EAT A HORSE", although again, wrong number of letters).
Ugh, these NYT puzzles are making me super annoyed with myself! But hey, nice Saturday puzzle. What doesn't kill me will make me stronger. I guess. Maybe.
*There are someinterestingideas out there on just what is so appealing about popping bubble wrap.
Hey, I'm with @Southside !! This did not sound like a Rex review to me either. I thought the puzzle was enjoyable but I didn't expect Rex to just gloss over some things that he would usually take a paragraph to grouse about.
Of course, "toes" was too cute by half but running the alphabet for "_oes" got me only goes or toes, unless you want to count "hoes" ala @John X.
Loved all the longs today, esp. The Mudville Nine reminder. And Janis Ians' "At Seventeen" as always been one of the most beautifully written songs ever, imo. If anyone is not familiar with it, do yourself a favor and check it out on you tube. Adios.
Wow, this was tough. In spite of the familiar I COULD EAT and CARE TO ELABORATE from last week. I hate looking things up any day of the week, but I was forced into it or risked taking NINE hours to solve. CLU Gulager was first in – remembered him from 60s show biz. I looked him up to see if I could get an explanation for his unusual first name. Turns out he’s Cherokee and CLU is from the Cherokee word “clu-clu” which means martin, as in the birds. CLU’s official name is William Martin Gulager and there you have it. BTW, I find it ODD SATISFYING that he’s still going at 92 and still acting!
I liked all the spanners, especially I COULD EAT A HORSE and the afore-mentioned ODDLY SATISFYING. At first I wanted “stress relieving” for the bubble wrap clue (and it is 15 letters) but I already had the LY in place so no go. No idea how I knew CAPE ANN as a “Gloucester setting” but it went in easily. I was flummoxed by JANIS Ian for the same reason @Z was, and I had no idea about TOES till I came here. Had a malapop with SATES which I put in at 46D before realizing its proper place was 27D – I guess I was solving from the bottom up at that point.
Hi all, among the things that made me gnash my teeth was 32A, which should have been MANC not MANU. Manchester United hasn’t been a soccer powerhouse for years. City, on the other hand, certainly is.
Two excerpts today from LAURENCE, known as "LAURIE", LEE, born June 26, 1914.
“Our terraced strip of garden was Mother’s monument, and she worked it headstrong, without plan. She would never control or clear this ground, merely cherish whatever was there; and she was as impartial in her encouragement to all that grew as a spell of sweet sunny weather. She would force nothing, graft nothing, nor set things in rows; she welcomed self-seeders, let each have its head, and was the enemy of very few weeds. Consequently our garden was a sprouting jungle and never an inch was wasted.” ****************************************** “So with the family gone, Mother lived as she wished ... Slowly, snugly, she grew into her background, warm on her grassy bank, poking and peering among the flowery bushes, dishevelled and bright as they. Serenely unkempt were those final years, free from conflict, doubt or dismay, while she reverted gently to a rustic simplicity as a moss-rose reverts to a wild one.” (Both from Cider with Rosie)
This bear of a puzzle was ODDLY SATISFYING. I wrestled with it until I felt as if my brains were sticking out of my forehead, then broke down and cheated on SHE BOP and "checked" TARA. It was the bottom third of the puzzle that almost did me in. But with cheats, I prevailed.
A literate puzzle that ranges from "Casey At the Bat" to "Ozymandias" to "JUNE is Bustin' Out All Over" -- and I adored THE MUDVILLE NINE when it finally came in.
I was at a disadvantage because I've never gone to a nail salon (PRESS ONS was a "Huh", and they sound uncomfortably heavy and "foreign" on the nails.) I've never been tattooed either, and have no idea what a SLEEVE tattoo is or why it's "labor intensive". But I did have a moment of real pride:
I got ODDLY SATISFYING from just a few crossing letters which was quite amazing, since I have no idea how to "pop bubble wrap" or why it would be ODDLY SATISFYING to do so.
I don't drive, I don't listen to radio, and I have no idea what DRIVEWAY MOMENTS are either.
I dithered between PLEASE ELABORATE and CAN YOU ELABORATE before CARE TO ELABORATE finally came in. That was after I cheated on TARA.
I felt the whole time that I was matching wits with the constructors as I dealt with their fiendish cluing, plethora of white spaces and grown-up fill. This is the kind of challenge I live for. (Though, when I have to cheat, it means the constructors have won.)
A couple of hold-ups today stretched this solve into difficult territory, time-wise, for me. For 17A, the word "Literary" had me thinking, "Good grief, how am I going to come up with some dumb Whiz Kid event" with THEM_____LENINE staring at me. But NEVIS came to the rescue, helping me to realize that the team was not in the least literary except for being in "Casey at the Bat". Har.
Down at the bottom, I did not have Rex's easier-as-you-go-down experience. 56D was one of the first things I filled in the grid, with "ite". I guess I have read too many Diana Gabaldon books :-). And while I know what a toponym is, I had that E in place at 51A and Eggo occurred to me but that isn't really the dairy aisle, so EDys went in. No way was a court fig. going to start with Y so that didn't last long and MESS helped me out of that mess.
Thanks, John and Brad, this was more than ODDLY SATISFYING!
It's been years since NPR had real "driveway moments." Segments are no longer long enough for the kinds of extended stories they used to do. Shows are now peppered with very frequent breaks for teasers and promotional announcements for other shows, as well as for extended sponsor credits, not allowing anywhere near the time that used to be available for a single story. Stories are now much more compact and geared to shorter attention spans. More like Uber drop-off moments than driveway moments.
Yet NPR stations still brag about the "driveway moments" during fund-raising pitches. Nostalgia still sells, I guess.
Tough and fun. Up top: CLU, NEVIS, SONNET....petered out. Hopscotched to SORTED x STOMP, ORDER, RIDGE,...dead end. Okay, fine, I'll look at the cross-referenced clue: ORDER took me to the final MESS, and then I backed my way through ATTY et. al. to get DRIVEWAY MOMENTS and the are-you-kidding-me-ELABORATE-again? spanner above it. A slow and enjoyable climb back up to the top to discover THE MUDVILLE NINE waiting for me at the end. @Rex analyzed the puzzle's "old-fashioned" quality in a way I wouldn't be able to; for me, it was an old school Saturday in its difficulty, tricky cluing, and rewarding answers. A real treat.
@Barbara S. 9:30 - Thank you for the lovely Laurie Lee quotes. I encountered his name for the first time last night, as one of the novelist Elizabeth Jan Howard's lovers. So nice to have words to put with his name.
Hey All ! MAN, U know this pressed the "late solving getting antsy" button for me. So ended up cheating ala Reveal Word on two entries. 😢 LID was a deceiving answer as clued for me, never would've figured that one out. And HOST, couldn't get CAT HEAD out of the ole brain, like that Senator or whoever that had his image stuck as a cat.
Really wanted gIst at 1D, morely screwing things up up there. (Morely should absolutely be a word! It describes things perfectly!)
And after all that, still a one-letter DNF! Ouch! ElAM/lANA. Talk about getting SHOT DOWN.
Thought briefly about stimULUS for 9D, It has its limits. Har!
Got a kick out of HI ring? for LEI. HI @chefwen! 😁 Had allTOTAL first for SUMTOTAL. Add me to the malapop list of sateS at 46D first before discovering it at 27D. Neat clue for PRESSONS. Remember them being big in late 70's, early 80's.
Why do we park in a DRIVEWAY, but drive on a Parkway?
Loved this puzzled. It feels like it’s been a great week - solid and enjoyable all the way through. Anything under an hour makes for an enjoyable (read without frustration) Saturday puzzle for me and this was 57m. I too had let on before RATON, which made me second guess YAMMERED - an answer I dropped in on first pass. Took nearly half of the crosses to see THEMUDVILLENINE but I’m mid 30s and only vaguely recall a cartoon version of this tale... misread 18a as ‘zoom call feature” and was very stubborn on removing “mute” before HOST. And the clue on 23a had me humming “mommas in the kitchen makin corn bread, corn bread...” and trying to recall additional verses of that old song... clearly the wrong reference but I sussed out JUNE from the downs for an enjoyable finish. Lovely Saturday puzzle, and now I have that old tune in my head...
A lot of people think of positrons – the antimatter equivalent to an electrons – as some kind of science fiction thing. But a PET SCAN is short for Positron Emission Tomography. The stuff they inject you with emits positrons, which then hit electrons and they obliterate each other, emitting gamma rays, which can be detected. An actual, practical, life-saving use of antimatter.
SHE BOP is one of those early ‘80s paeans to self-gratification. See also Turning Japanese, Dancing with Myself, M&Ms. Divinyls I Touch Myself came later, and abandoned any attempts at subtlety.
All the long acrosses were very accessible except DRIVEWAY MOMENTS, which I’ve never heard in my life.
[reposting to fix an error in my earlier post. My b.]
I noticed there was no comment about NWA and no negative comment about Trap Museum. The first one, of course, has that bad word embedded in it. The second (which I learned today) is about drugs and rap. Mind you, I have no problem with either. (See: crossword puzzle) But I do find it interesting that on an average day, Rex will spit in outrage about any mention of the NRA, Trump (remember the cutesy clue about card games) and so on and so forth. But no mention of things that relate to people of color.
I would say (and have said) that the NY Times has only two references to people of color, and that's rap and afros. How about mentioning that, Rex? Fear of reprisal, I suspect, is the reason.
Good puzzle, not great. Too cute by whatever he said.
Too many goddamn question marks. When none would do.
I’ve commented earlier on how this puzzle was perfectly pitched for Saturday, but here are two additional thoughts:
1. Three most lovely answers – YAMMERED, ADDLED, and PITH, and
2. Proof that the brain multitasks: After [When “Ma is getting’ kittenish with Pap,” in Carousel”] sounded vaguely familiar but I couldn’t pull it out for the life of me, I moved on, but while I was working to figure out another clue, suddenly “June Is Busting Out All Over” burst forth from that speaker inside my head.
Almost blanked out on the first pass. The breakthrough moment came with I Could Eat A Horse. From there it wasn't so much aha moments as it was, "Could this possibly be …" and it always was. So deeply satisfying.
Getting Toes on the crosses of two 15-letter spanners says something about how diabolical that clue was. The At may rankle some purists but I loved it.
Soooo wish I'd looked at the baffling Toponym and cracked it at Topographical Map Feature. How could I miss that? Topo!! Not just a 60-year-old puppet mouse!
Edam, the Oboe of cheeses. Didn't we just have Care To Elaborate? Driveway Moments? I've had a few. Clues for Hies, Pre, Congas, Lid … brilliant. I wonder if the kids have ever heard, "I Could Eat A Horse." Pap waits til June? Was it an annual event or end of the quarter? "Ma, I'm feelin' frisky." "Check your calendar Pa!"
@ Mary McCarty from yesterday. Thank you for Ovid. But my attempt to vent bitter sarcastic seems to have fallen short. Is it ironic that when I'm actually going for cute, I'm often accused of sarcasm? I hope you post more often. I read your profile.
ODDLY SATISFYING: Yesterday was my nephew's 18th birthday. He came over in the morning. We loaded rocks into the wheelbarrow, walked them through the woods, then loaded them into backpacks and made the long-feeling hike down the hill to a wooded swale near a little spring fed creek (it's where my daughter took the "Birchbark" avatar-photo you see back in the olden days).
I CARE TO ELABORATE: My neighbor Jeff, the stone mason, was down there building a footbridge over the stream. We're using hand-sawn maple, oak, cedar, and basswood from fallen trees on the property (no power tools). There's a long birch-trunk rail anchoring the crossbeams on one side, oak on the other. I do most of the sawing. He's the architect and assembler. My neighbor is also laying the rocks my nephew and I hauled strategically in the stream to build little pools and waterfalls.
I COULD EAT A HORSE: Then my nephew and I took the packs through the swamp and down near the river. We loaded them with limestone slabs, then back to the bridge site, where we stopped to eat our sandwiches and drink water. Double-smoked ham and brie with cracked pepper on baguettes. My daughter had come down with a few more rocks and took some photos of all of the activity. We ferried the limestone up the hill to the wheelbarrow and back to the house, hauled more rocks back to the stream site, then did some sawing, etc. My neighbor will use the limestone at our house to improve the front stoop.
I COULD EAT another HORSE: Then back to the house for good and cleaned up, my daughter and nephew watched movies downstairs and ate Dominos pizza, which they'd made the 20-minute trip down to Stillwater to pick up. I appropriated a few slices for myself, paired with a cold Two-Hearted ale, and watched a brilliant version of Shakespeare's "Tempest" (Donmar Warehouse, 2016, all-woman actors) on the computer in my office.
By my CALCULUS, a good day. Today I am feeling muscles I'd forgotten I had make steady protest, an acceptable part of the bargain.
Keith D, Guess it’s still too early for Z to acknowledge he was wrong on his over number yesterday. Not too early to besmirch Will Shortz by calling him a liar though.
No psychologist or star witness here, but I will testify in court that mood, sleep, and beverages - pre- and during solve, affect my (possibly everyone’s?) ability to snap into and enjoy even a slow or fast paced xword experience.
No snaps for me today. Maybe if I had got TOES it would have given me a TOE HOLD on the darn thing.
Still, the parts that clicked were — like bubble wrap.
It was a good puzz, just not for YT on this Saturday.
🧩😞🧩 And I saw the Terry GROSS thing too. Nice. (Intentional or not)
@Matthew 9:27am - I get that Manchester United isn't on top right now, but I think 'powerhouse' is still apt. They can coast on their glory for a little while longer. It's like calling the Yankees a powerhouse even if they haven't won a World Series in awhile. Anyway, I don't think MANC is a common enough shortening for Manchester City so it doesn't work in that way, but Manc is definitely associated with Manchester so it could work if clued another way.
Speaking of MAN_ clues, I'd love to see the very popular Mexican band Maná end up as an answer in the NYT as a nod to our Spanish-speaking friends.
@ Matthew Your gripe is one only a diehard "football" fan would get. MANU is perfectly fine; they're still one of the richest, most famous sports franchises in the world.
The only clue I didn't care for was the stale CLU, who I never heard of. Otherwise, a few minutes faster than normal. A fun Saturday with brilliant spanners!
@Z - Yes, the name of the "Mean Girls" character, who is around seventeen and very much aware that love is meant for beauty queens, is an intentional homage.
Count me among those who found this puzzle ODDLYSATISFYING. It flew right by once I got going (first answers in were NEVIS -> ORES -> RELY). I've never been much of an NPR listener, but DRIVEWAYMOMENTS was totally inferable, even if it made me roll my eyes a bit. THEMUDVILLENINE was a fun "aha" moment, as I just went to a baseball game yesterday.
Very much enjoyed the clues for CONGAS, PRESSONS, SUMTOTAL, CALCULUS, and yes, even TOES.
But how does god-awful trap music already have its own museum, when the real deal in the Bronx won't even be finished with construction until 2024?!
@N. Adams 9:42 - Re: the frequent NPR teasers during news broadcasts - recently the director of Wisconsin Public Radio appeared on a call-in show to take comments and questions, and a listener called in with this very complaint about the waste of airtime. The response was, "We have to do it to maintain our audience." My thought was, unless you're driving people away with the constant iteration of "That'll be coming up in about 15 minutes here on Wisconsin Public Radio."
Medium. CLU I knew from a ‘50s TV cowboy show, which was very helpful. Most of this was wheelhouse adjacent with only JANIS and DANA (as clued) being WOES. Fun Sat., liked it a bunch!
I’m surprised more people aren’t bothered by CARE TO ELABORATE being used again after last Friday, and even I COULD EAT A HORSE. I mean, I don’t think these phrases are very hard to get in the first place, but filling this stuff in loses any sense of satisfaction for me when I know these phrases are fresh in my mind straight from the last week’s crosswords. I don’t like feeling like I’m being taught a series of phrases to mechanically fill in. It’s fine with shorter trivia, but not these long answers.
@ss and @Matthew - I would say a strong argument can be made that MAN U continues to out powerhouse City. They are certainly more of a powerhouse at the bank, having not been found guilty of violating FFP regulations (for the uninitiated- FFP is the rule that football clubs have to generate a profit - so even if a Sheikh billionaire or a Boston billionaire owns the club what the club spends can’t exceed what the club earns) and are still #1 in number of fans worldwide amongst English Clubs. Even this year MAN U finishing second seemed like more of a big deal than City winning the EPL. To use that Yankees comparison, City is forever the Mets, no matter how good they may be at the moment on the field.
@kitshef - abandoned any attempts at subtlety I’d say the Divinyls reveled at their lack of subtlety. (Pop Quiz - Can anyone explain why I didn’t capitalize “the”?)
T.A. @anon - Making predictions is hard, especially about the future. And look, proving me wrong means you didn’t make as many asinine comments yesterday so everyone wins. ������
@Jyqm - Thanks. The “revenge” in the clue made me doubt the link, but your explanation makes perfect sense to me.
@Anon11:15 - I was so focused on I COULD EAT A HORSE that I didn’t remember how recently CARE TO ELABORATE appeared. But, take my general plaint from my first paragraph and it applies. That’s an editorial decision and I would have preferred a much bigger gap between this puzzle and those puzzles. My sense so far is that people who noticed are as bothered as you.
@Z, @Barbara S, @JD A note on JANIS Ian: I don't know whether Tina Fey has ever discussed or disclosed the reason for the name choice(maybe @Jyqm 1106am has the inside track), but I always felt it was tied in with the character always being "accused" of being a lesbianby Regina George. Yes, I probably know too much about that movie, but tough. 😉
@JD 1018am Any excuse to resurrect the mildewed, soft, fake body of the littlest Gigio is aces with me! Thanks! 🤣
Glad I'm not alone on the TOES joke. Thought I might just be cranky, but that happens so rarely...
@Birchbark 1022am What a lovely day. I had a similar experience: drove to Walmart and picked up some Chinese takeout. It's like we're twins.
I would imagine this was a little bit on the tough side for those who don’t cheat but on Saturdays I do so shamelessly. Otherwise I would be sitting most of the day staring at my clipboard, chewing on my pencil until I finally STOMP my feet and admit I’ve been SHOT DOWN.
Observations in no particular order: SORTED two days in a row. Killer CLU for CONGAS. No modern slang today, thank God. The 3 down/10 down thing was a silly MESS.
I’ll never understand why people get SLEEVE tattoos, have never liked SUN TEA, and would rather scrub my DRIVEWAY with a toothbrush than listen to NPR. So there. Now I’ve YAMMERED enough for today. “Time to PRESS ON,” SHE said as the SPA DAY beckoned.
Ay frijoles con papas...this was hard...like trying to EAT A HORSE, hard. All I did was a rude stare. Where did I begin you ask? I began by placing a collect call to that dude, Google. I needed at least 1A. I start there and I can't help myself. Do you light up like a little lightning bug when you get a PET SCAN? That one cheat got me the keys to the vault. I began to sing....Boy did I sing... I even did a skip to my loo. The whole top was beginning to take shape. BUT...the caveat rears its ugly head and I needed the services of my attorney to get CALCULUS. I have my limits...CALCULUS isn't one of them. Just wines, thank you. My other cheats were looking up at the word toponym (I like @JD's explanation of Topo better). Was EDAM a clown as well? And why don't we search for GOLD? And why isn't some kind of power, WIND and I would never read anything that has "Educated" as its title, so, dear TARA....you, too were a no show. Sigh du jour. OK, so that was about 6 lookie loos. I got all the long ones and that made me do a fandango tango. I remembered SAMOAS....I even got THE MUDVILLE NINE because I remembered that Casey At the Bat thing. Life was a bit like a cabaret old CHUM but please don't ever serenade me with a LUTE. You can give me a SPA DAY. What did I like best you ask? Getting DRIVEWAY MOMENTS. I only listened to NPR and that's why I never know any of the new SHE BOP songs. My MESS runneth over. John and Brad got me good.... but because I'm a softy at heart, I loved the beatings.
So last night I'm watching a local AAA baseball game here in the Lehigh Valley, and the announcer tells us that former Lehigh Valley Iron Pig Dylan Cozens has given up baseball to take a shot at the NFL. I remembered a guy who sat near me at Iron Pig's games who would say "Here comes Casey" whenever the 6'6" 245 pound Cozens strode to the plate. The huge Cozens stood proudly erect at the plate (intimidating pitchers) and could hit homers a mile or more, but unfortunately struck out at a record pace (in a career 45 Major League at-bats Dylan struck out 24 times).
So at the mention of Cozens' name I remembered "Here comes Casey" and decided to read "Casey at the Bat" for the first time in years. Yeah, last night. Nothing like a 15 letter gimme to open a Saturday puzz.
And yes @Rex, this was a terrific Saturday crossword. I also assumed the Terry Gross pun was intentional, if not our constructors should pretend it was. And who can't love a puzzle with ICOULDEATAHORSE? Great puzzle.
@Matthew - Manchester United has been the most famous sports franchise in the world for well over half a century, they remain a powerhouse - and they've been called MANU forever.
Would've had a DNF at CLe / THE MeDVILLE NINE. Before today I had never heard of "Casey At The Bat." And just look at them! "CLE" and "MEDVILLE" both seem like far more plausible names/places than what actually found its way into this puzzle. I have met people named "Cle," and people named "Medville." Places and businesses are called "Medville." What self-respecting community calls itself MUDVILLE, and what self-respecting person lets people call them CLU?
Luckily for me, on weekends I solve with my fiancée — who was forced to memorize this poem in the third grade. She remembered MUDVILLE, but we were still convinced we had something wrong. Because who the £#¢k goes around naming their child CLU?! Turns out it's a nickname, so that's even stupider.
Really, a U?? For that crossing? I don't want to hate this so much, but I really do hate this so much.
Rex Parker, who coined the term "Natick" and fiercely defends poor solvers met with a vowel-crossing trivia intersection, let me down today. I was really hoping to find some solace here.
Also? I just gave "Casey At The Bat" a read and don't care for it. It's sing-songy childish claptrap. Yes, I'm probably just taking it out on the poem that I hated this cross today. And, yes, "Casey At The Bat" is probably something I should know about.
But the whole thing left a bad taste in my mouth, which is all I will ever remember about this puzzle.
CLU Gulager’s career includes some pretty cool movies. He plays the town lothario in The Last Picture Show who delivers the line “I didn’t come here to referee no fight” in the dance hall sequence that is straight out of a John Ford movie. The Killers is just great all around, but especially when Ronald Reagan calmly gets up and punches Angie Dickinson and then becomes Governor of California.
Just when I thought I was advancing nicely on the FridaySaturday puzzles, this puzzle brought me back to reality, I could barely make a dent in it. Keep on keeping on
Can you see me waving my hand over my head? You totally misunderstood what I was saying. I'm sorry you had to work so hard at coming up with all that right-wing media. I am a New Yorker. I am left of left. I even like AOC. Although not into censorship or cancelling anything. Card-carrying member of the ACLU until recently when they decided that all rights to free speech weren't important. And that it was a privilege for privileged people that shouldn't be a privilege unless it's a privilege for all. So exhausting.
(Repeating the mantra of the head of the ACLU: Everyone thinks their speech is protected. It's the other guy they're not so sure about.)
My point is this. Why should, in his opinion, the awful things like the NRA and Trump be cancelled. When left-leaning awful other things, like drugs and name-calling be left alone? It's hypocritical.
Wow. Put in PETSCAN without any help from crosses. Been sitting on that for several decades, waiting for it to show up in a crossword puzzle grid.
My go to clue for 32 Across would be MANU Ginóbili, four time NBA Champion playing for the San Antonio Spurs from 1995 to 2018. He is one of only two players to win a EuroLeague championship, an NBA championship and an Olympic Gold Medal. MANU is a sure bet to be elected to the NBA Hall of Fame.
I find it SATISFYING, nothing ODD about it, to look for entries that are not up to the task of filling their designated slots in the grid and need help from the ultra useful and convenient letter S. Here are some from today's offering: ACT OUT, CONGA, ORE, SALE TAG, HIE, PRESS ON, SAMOA, DRIVEWAY MOMENT, SPA DAY, SATE, CRAM, TEE and SIGN.
@Barbara (9:30) You outdid yourself today. My dear mother was a lifelong gardener, and I cannot imagine the final years of her life being described more eloquently than that.
@Frantic (11:35) Walmart and Chinese? I love action packed days like that. Although sometimes I trend more toward Jimmy John’s.
@Lewis (10:10) -- Or perhaps even sooner than right away:) Thanks for the shoutout.
@oceanjeremy (12:34) -- You poor, poor thing. Naticks like that can be soul-crushing, and I didn't know CLU either. But don't take it out on "Casey At the Bat". I just re-read it and, yes, it certainly has it's clunky moments. But it also has one last memorable stanza which perfectly encapsulates the emotions of disappointed sports fans everywhere -- from every era and in every sport:
Oh, somewhere in this favoured land the sun is shining bright, The band is playing somewhere, and somewhere hearts are light; And somewhere men are laughing, and somewhere children shout, But there is no joy in Mudville—mighty Casey has struck out.
How can you hate a poem with those immortal lines, @oceanjeremy? Just because you Naticked on MUDVILLE? I know you, @oceanjeremy, and I know you're bigger than that:)
@Rex and @John H: If you had seen Carousel you would remember this 3 hour and 15 minute paean to a wife and child abuser, who is given more chances than the former guy to get things right and still never quite achieves it. Score orchestrated with a bulldozer, like much of R & H; not as bad as South Pacific, but almost. "JUNE is busting out all over" might be the best respite from the tedium, but it doesn't compensate for a 45 minute book scene. You can tell how much I liked the show. Not having a CLU or a DANA or a TARA, let alone never having experienced a PET SCAN, this one fell into the challenging category for me.
Amelia, Another anon here ( not 11:24). I’m far right of you. And not a fan of AOC. But I’ll walk with you anyway day. Your point wasn’t missed here. And it was an important point. You’re dead right about Rex, and The Times and their comments or reportage of POC. And tne ACLU? They were once quite brave. Now, well, craven doesn’t begin describe them. Anyway, despite the abuse heaped on us, the calumny, smears and flat out character assassination we anons are subjected to ( hi z, frantic sloth, JC 66 Pete, TTrimble et al) many of us appreciate thoughtful posts freed from ideological baggage. Cheers to you.
"It's like we're twins." I laughed out loud at your hilarious and wildly original rejoinder to @Birchbark's totally exhausting-sounding day, @Frantic Sloth (11:35) -- or at least I did once I finally caught up with @Birchbark's (10:10) post. (It went up late this morning, even as I was going out early to avoid possible T-storms, which now don't seem to be arriving.)
To @Birchbark I say: THIS is how your nephew chose to spend his 18th birthday? Hauling all those rocks and limestone slabs hither and yon and to and fro? He would seem to be a chip off the old block and most likely found it ODDLY SATISFYING. As for me, I'm with @GILL and would much prefer a SPA DAY.
@Digital Dan -- I'm pretty sure I've never met anyone who hated Rodgers and Hammerstein before. It's very disquieting for me -- sort of like meeting a Martian in the flesh. I mean I defend to the death and all that, but how can you????
since when are drugs and name-calling exclusively or even majorily "left"? drug running into our cities is the product of Right Wing 2nd and 3rd world countries, and if you believe the conspiracies, our precious CIA. The Orange Sh!tgibbon (not my coinage, but I cleave) is the one who took public discourse into the gutter, or did you not notice? he makes name calling his reason to exist.
and also remember: free speech is a right not to be infringed by the Damn Gummint. private platforms, such as those which have banned The Orange Sh!tgibbon (not my coinage, but I cleave) are under NO OBLIGATION to provide access to those they find offensive. it is OFL's right to protest those aspect of speech, ON HIS PLATFORM, which he finds offensive. that is, in no way, shape, or form an infringement of free speech. shutting down the Fake News outlets, which The Orange Sh!tgibbon (not my coinage, but I cleave) hates because they reveal his evilness IS an example of violating the First Amendment.
"With all of the Fake News coming out of NBC and the Networks, at what point is it appropriate to challenge their License? Bad for country!" -- The Orange Sh!tgibbon (not my coinage, but I cleave)
@Mohair Sam-Liked your AAA baseball story about a large and imposing player. Our NH team, The Fisher Cats, is a Toronto affiliate and was a stop on the way for Vlad Guerrero Jr. who is having a pretty good year. Don't think he'll try football.
I took my good old best friend to a game there--it's in Manchester, NH, and we stayed at the hotel where the patio dining/bar overlooks center field. "What do you think", I said, as we walked out there. "It's perfect." was his response. Yep.
Anyway, all this made me wonder if a fisher cat would try to eat an iron pig, and from what I know about them, they'd certainly try.
@Nancy: You’re too right! I did give the poem a reread when I’d cooled off, and the timing and language of the final stanza are indeed expertly executes. I’m resistant to anything baseball-themed, but when I set aside my personal peculiarities and focus on the words and the musicality it is, indeed, a good poem. The craft is there in spades, and the humor understated and perfectly timed. I rescind my grudge against this poem.
Thank you @Nancy for lending me your Natick sympathies, perhaps even empathy. You’ve made my day better!
Thought on my first pass that I’d join @JD and like Casey totally flail on that third strike, but gradually the clouds parted and the sun was shining—definitely beyond medium in our house. Thanks to this Bosword duo’s balanced grid there was something for any age or interest, but conversely something to stub TOES on in every quadrant. I have enjoyed almost all the films cited by previous posters, but hadn’t a CLU for 5d. Frustrating at times like CALCULUS (the course that canceled my EE major and turned me into an English fella), but that’s what I —masochistic that I am— enjoy on Saturday!
You're right. It's lots of groups that make drugs the bad things that they are. I meant because, in this case, the connection was music and rap and people of color, it was somehow not worth a sneer.
And I'm not sneering at any of it. I love lots of rap. I have a bigger problem with censorship than I do with hurtful words. Sticks and stones, you know.
paloinnh, Catching a game with an old friend is the second best thing I can think of. The best is having a drink with my best friend while overlooking an empty but perfectly manicured field awaiting the next day’s game. That’s a scene to make the poet weep. I’ve seen plenty of empty stadiums. (My job puts me in stadiums more than the humbler, and nicer places like the Cats’ home*) and while I’m usually ready to vomit from anxiety, I always marvel at the beauty of the field. It never fails.
For Mohair Sam, After the first game of yesterday’s double header, hard on the heels of Wednesday’s debacle, something in me died. I renounced my Phillies fandom after more than half a century of devotion. I spent the time when they were playing the nightcap desperately looking for tix to any of the minor league clubs that are close. I’m on the wrong side of The Ben so the Iron Pigs felt like too long a haul, and, metaphorically, too close to home.
@JD (10:57) -- Kind words -- mighty good poets to evoke for wand'ring blog thoughts.
@Frantic (11:35), @Nancy (2:30) -- Twins indeed, if not triplets. The Domino's slices were good, but the Wal-Mart Chinese dinner has me thinking. My nephew's take on the ODDLY SATISFYING day, in a text this morning: "Yesterday felt like I couldn't have asked for a more perfect birthday."
Excellent puzzle. There was a boatload of stuff I didn’t know, and several areas where I had to erase my answers and start anew, but eventually I was able to fill it all in correctly without cheating.
SUMTOTAL is a pet peeve of mine, but I felt validated by the clue pointing out its redundancy. Toponymic cheese! Fun!
The last word I completed was TOES, which made no sense at all, so I entered the final letter with trepidation, but my iPad instantly congratulated me. Not a speedy solve, but ultimately very satisfying. Just the way I like my Saturday puzzles.
@Amelia...good to have you back again. I knew exactly what you meant. BUT... a good fight on this here Rex blog can be so rewarding. You do it justice..... :-)
My son chose to have his bachelor party at NEDD Stadium (which is small jewel, to be sure). One of his best men had some connections arranged for him to throw out the first pitch, and those of us who were part of the shindig got to go down and stand on the filed to watch. Short windup with his elegant lefty motion, and he threw a perfect strike that I will remember forever.
I've been to the ballyard in Philly and it's one of my favorites, along with San Francisco and of course "America's most beloved ballpark" in Boston. Ah, baseball.
I know this blog’s author and commenters are intelligent people, and there is plenty of room for intelligent and meaningful debate on the issues of the day.
One thing we can all agree on is that JOHN X is a great guy. The words in his posts are always spelled correctly, and the margins are nice as well.
@palonh (2:54) - I've checked your mascot's picture. I'd like to thank your club for moving The Iron Pigs back to second place in the National Hideous-looking Mascot competition.
@anon (4:08) - I hear ya. More pain today with Eflin leaving us ahead of deGrom and then watching Neris giving it away with help from Hoskins' lead glove. Don't know how far you are from The Shore - but try the Jersey Shore Blue Claws in Lakewood, an A+ level club. Great little park.
I got MUD but unfortunately not Mudville but TALMUD. Boy, did that screw me up. Also CAT SCAN, ACTS UP? and CARE TO ELUCIDATE. Had to cheat for the NE corner.
This one had some resistance to it, but perseverance won out. First to fall was ICOULDEATAHORSE. Stalled after doing the north third. Then I STOMPed into the middle and was left with...wait, this can't be CARETOELABORATE: we just had that one! Yet it was. Shouldn't we at least let a couple years pass before repeating a gridspanner?? DRIVEWAYMOMENTS unfamiliar but ultimately inferable.
Saturday-tough, about normal for the day. A PITHy solve. DANA "Queen Latifah" Owens wins DOD. Birdie--like Xander Schauffle did again on the 18th hole last night to take the Olympic lead into the final round. Go Xander!!
So I looked at the clues for the 15s first and without hesitation filled in ICOULDEATAHORSE, THEMUDVILLENINE, and DRIVEWAYMOMENTS (though my DRIVEWAYMOMENTS usually have more to do with Deep Tracks on Sirius XM). So, fill in the blanks the rest of the way.
If we CARETOELABORATE any more then we can surely continue to CLU ACDC as the band.
I will ATTEND to the matter of TARA Westover's yeah baby.
A long time ago, I was solving this puzzle and got stuck at an unguessable (to me) crossing: N. C. WYETH crossing NATICK at the "N"—I knew WYETH but forgot his initials, and NATICK ... is a suburb of Boston that I had no hope of knowing. It was clued as someplace the Boston Marathon runs through (???). Anyway, NATICK— the more obscure name in that crossing—became shorthand for an unguessable cross, esp. where the cross involves two proper nouns, neither of which is exceedingly well known. NATICK took hold as crossword slang, and the term can now be both noun ("I had a NATICK in the SW corner...") or verb ("I got NATICKED by 50A / 34D!")
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Tougher than medium here. Needed more than a little help from Sergey & Larry. CLU Gulager was a WOE, as was MANU. Had "epodes" instead of SONNET at 11D. Thought immediately of fingers for 41A, but was looking for something ending in nails, not ONS. Good, challenging Saturday.
What a perfect clue for ODDLY SATISFYING. Popping bubble wrap gives me that “Aaahhh” every time. And triple-aaahhh for a puzzle that stretched my brain in just the way I want on Saturday, with lots and lots of figuring out and remembering. My easiest moment was slapping in DRIVEWAY MOMENT with no crosses, and then the gauntlet began, that sweet sweet gauntlet that I crave. Thank you, gentlemen!
There is no worse clue than the lookie-loo. There is no worse lookie-loo than the middle-finger-flashing double lookie-loo which offers no help at either end. Get. OUT!!
Then there's the "joke" I either didn't get or got and thought was dumb. TOES is more apt at 10D? Is it only because one has (presumably) 10 toes and they're...down there...on the feet? Can that possibly be all it means??
Truly, I (obvi) love dumb jokes (Hi, @GILL, @Roo!), but they gotta land. This one is locked in earth's orbit. Then again, it might gain some "so bad and dumb, it's hilarious" mileage if I sit with it a bit....[checks watch] nope. Sorry. 🤷♀️
And what's with all this ableist crap about assuming everybody has 10 toes?? Some of my best friends have no toes...well, okay, one of my friends, but still.
Oh, bother - *I* don't even believe me. 🙄
It may surprise you to know that I actually really liked this puzzle. So much good stuff like ICOULDEATAHORSE (why are the food/eating ones always among my faves??) and oh, just all of the grid-spanners, frankly.
The fill was above average, too, and that's always a treat when it (so rarely) happens.
Nothing like a couple of pros to show us what a solid, enjoyable crossword puzzle should look like. Thanks, Mr. Lieb and Mr. Wilber, for the very pleasant Saturdee.
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Zounds. No chance here to finish w/o cheats, so I did. Still left me with many enjoyable challenges and challenging clean ups in various aisles and corners. Seeing THE MUDVILLE NINE emerge was a treat. I knew DRIVEWAY MOMENTS. I had CAn you ELABORATE. My last corner clean up. Spotting SATISFYING from a four letters and getting the ODDLY was exactly that.
A math pun I couldn't see and the poem I didn't remember was a SONNET: O Albatross, how could it be? Wheelhouse losses. The Shame.
SHEBOP and the Ian JANIS. More slow on the uptake wheelhouse.
@Rex
Never fail to mention Karen Black whenever you get a chance. A intriguing and gifted actress with one eerie collection of movies. She is always worth seeing no matter how rotten the movie.
CLU and the gang were a joy in Once Upon a Time in Hollywood.
Why not just put a "?" after every clue and be done with it!
Thx John & Brad for this challenging Sat puz! :)
Med-tough solve.
Another case of being way off the constructors' wavelength, and just having to gut it out.
Very SATISFYING to finish with no errors when so much is unknown.
My kind of puzzle: making me work hard for the victory! :)
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Peace ~ Empathy ~ Tolerance ~ Health ~ Kindness to all 🕊
Side Eye towards Team Shortz as I wrote in I COULD EAT again, and on the second line. What’s worse than too cute by half? Too cute by three-quarters? This might have even been too cute by seven-eighths. And this is clearly an editorial decision, since there’s no way Lieb/Wilbur could conspire with Earl to make this happen. I believe Shortz is on record somewhere claiming such “coincidences” are coincidences. Capital Bull Capital Shit on this being a coincidence. I dunno, maybe some solvers like the leg up of seeing such similar answers on consecutive days in the same spot. I am not one of those solvers.
But that’s not the puzzle’s fault, and this was a fine Saturday. I had no CLU on 5D, but then forgot all about him and was surprised to see that he was in the puzzle and the WOD. And that was typical of my solve, anything I didn’t know quickly came from crosses with minimal teeth-gnashing. Was surprised at the JANIS Ian clue because, well, click on the link, that’s why. Knowing nothing about the show, is the name choice an intentional reference? Maybe one of the writers is a ex or something? I know very little about the earlier JANIS Ian other than that song was popular when I was a teen.
One last slightly raised eyebrow… When was the last time somebody played a LUTE to serenade someone? In my mind it would have been somewhere around April 1616.
Other than these little TOES stubs a pretty straightforward and pleasant solve. Like Rex, I left with a feeling that this would be pretty accessible to everyone, but the early comments suggest some struggled more than I would have thought.
DId anyone notice that ICOULDEATAHORSE spanned the same location as yesterday's ICOULDEAT?
As an NPR listener who could recite "Casey at the Bat" (ten thousand eyes were on him as he wiped his hands with dirt) and watched Clu Gallagher westerns as a kid, loved this. Plus Cyndi, Queen L, and Janis. Happy Saturday!
Maybe it was yesterday's subliminal influence, but I looked at 15A and noticed that ICOULDEATAHORSE fit exactly. but dismissed it as too obvious and went elsewhere. Even when it turned out to be right later I did not feel oddly satisfied, just dumb for not putting it in right away.
NEVIS is sort of like "nieves". Must have been all that tropical snow that inspired the name.
Quick, name another Gulager.
Hand up for DRIVEWAYMOMENTS being a gimme. Most often heard in fund raisers for our local public radio, as in, don't you love those DRIVEWAYMOMENTS?
Everyone should try writing a sonnet at least once. I wrote one about playing tennis with my friends, and the constraints of a sonnet are like playing tennis with a net.
Still don't know what "trap music" might be and find tattoo SLEEVES bizarre. Chacun a son gout and all that.
Very fun Saturday JL and BW. I felt Just Like a Big Wheel after nailing this one.
Wonderful Saturday - light on trivia and clean spanners. Really liked ODDLY SATISFYING and THE MUDVILLE NINE. Hand up and disdain for doubling up on I COULD EAT - especially after some of the comments here yesterday. Loved the clues for CALCULUS and SUM TOTAL.
Shelley, Ian, Lauper and the great Pine Tree State in the same puzzle is pretty cool. Always thought YAMMERED had a complaining/whining connotation.
Highly enjoyable solve this morning. Wilbur is becoming one I can count on.
Looks like the hungry person from yesterday (I COULD EAT) got more specific today.
Ok, I will confess - I was completely baffled by PET SCAN (I had never heard of it) - and my first thought was “omg, that sounds like something you do in a TSA line”, then I started thinking “does a vet really have a one-size-fits-all x-ray machine for animals?” Hopefully, I am not firing on all eight cylinders this morning, cause if I am this is not a good sign - and yes, I now know that PET is an abbreviation for some technical term.
I also didn’t get the clue for TOES till I read OFL - I agree, it’s dumb, it tries too hard, yada yada - call it a swing and a miss by the constructor. I disagree with Rex on CLU - I don’t care if the guy was a reasonably famous actor, we are talking about a black and white television show that aired when John Kennedy was president - give me a break. I don’t know what Rex was smoking, but it sure sounds like we are listening to his alter-ego today (or maybe he pals around with the constructor) - either that or he has been abducted by aliens and his column is being ghost-written by someone who is not well versed in all things Rex.
A couple of other stumpers - SLEEVE tattoo (possibly those jobs that span someone’s entire arm - they are almost invariably ugly, and I imagine would be painful as well as labor-intensive). Additionally, the only PRESS ONS I’m aware of are the fake tattoos, lol. Digital Applications ? Is this another TOES attempt at humor - like something you put on your feet or something? Still don’t know - I turned to Uncle Google for assistance, but he just pretty much scratched his head as well.
Lewis describes my solving experience well. Mind-stretching while figuring out and remembering. So satisfying that I forgive the outrageously stupid clue for TOES.
I'm going to see if Netflix has The Killers. I saw it when it came out in 1964. It has some of my favorite actors. I seem to remember that CLU Gulager has a distinctive voice. The movie used the title of a very short Hemingway short story but had practically nothing else to do with it.
@albatross shell (7:04). I'm also a big fan of Karen Black. Was she mentioned in Rex's piece? She's not in The Killers.
I looked up the Trap Music Museum. Trap music is a kind of rap music associated with drug using.
I stalled in the SW. I incorrectly had PLEASEELABORATE. I called in The Closer and she got SHOTDOWN, cancelling PLEASEELABORATE and allowing us to finish.
I learned DRIVEWAYMOMENT. I don't listen to NPR. Very cool term.
What a difference a day makes. I made sure I printed out the puzzle last night and had a terrific on paper solve. This was no surprise as stacked 15s tend to be low hanging fruit. Cold guessing 15A right off the bat got me off to a good start. I could only confirm it with AID, SONNET and USNA. This was typical of how the fill went. I didn't fly through it but there was always something to hang my hat on everywhere I went. I have no idea who CLU Gulager is but puzzles beat that name into my head years ago. Guessing that 1A had to be some kind of SCAN meant that CLU was the only thing that would fit. Always great to be on the constructor's wavelength. Getting a clean grid on paper felt like a redemption after yesterday's phone generated fiasco.
I couldn't understand what @Z was ranting about until I remembered that I skipped the puzzle yesterday and looked it up. Lord. Egregious. Maybe Shortz thinks it's funny.
And Rex, if you had ever seen Carousel you would remember it. Wonderful. Download it. That goes for the rest of you.
Will Shortz is an American treasure. I hope he never retires.
@John H - Sorry about the Friday Spoiler.
Well, I had a devil of a time up top. More on that in a MOMENT.
I thought I was primed to have a for-me great solving time, as the bottom got filled out (OUT) pretty quickly. But hang on a minute: we just had CARE TO ELABORATE recently (June 18). I thought that was a little weird. Likes: learning the birth name of that force of nature Queen Latifah (DANA). Also, putting in ODDLY SATISFYING with some measure of confidence was, well, ODDLY SATISFYING*. Really, the bottom half I thought was beautifully executed, both the answers and the cluing. Slight cartoon question mark at DRIVEWAY MOMENTS: I enjoyed Rex's take on the cluing, but I have to say that expression is absolutely not in my vernacular.
Side note to Rex: I think of Cyndi Lauper as thoroughly 20th century. I've seen her face recently, but only in some ad about a skin ailment treatment. Oh wait, maybe there's Kinky Boots as well! Okay, never mind then. There's probably other recent stuff I don't know that she's been up to.
There's also a lot to admire up at the top, but man did I have trouble. Loved the cluing for CONGAS ("Goes along with the party line?"). CALCULUS: def in my wheelhouse. In fact a lot went in, but for some reason I was not seeing ORIG for Master (although, yeah, now I get it) -- was seeing bRIG? instead, weirdly, and wanted pEnS instead of TEES which I was not seeing either, and I kept thinking ACTS up even though that was clearly the wrong number of letters. Really stuck on THE MUDVILLE NINE, aargh. In my ADDLED confusion I toggled between HORSE and HOuSE (and earlier, was experimenting with something along the lines of "I'm hungry as a horse", which makes a lot more sense to me than "I COULD EAT A HORSE", although again, wrong number of letters).
Ugh, these NYT puzzles are making me super annoyed with myself! But hey, nice Saturday puzzle. What doesn't kill me will make me stronger. I guess. Maybe.
*There are some interesting ideas out there on just what is so appealing about popping bubble wrap.
Hey, I'm with @Southside !! This did not sound like a Rex review to me either. I thought the puzzle was enjoyable but I didn't expect Rex to just gloss over some things that he would usually take a paragraph to grouse about.
Of course, "toes" was too cute by half but running the alphabet for "_oes" got me only goes or toes, unless you want to count "hoes" ala @John X.
Loved all the longs today, esp. The Mudville Nine reminder. And Janis Ians' "At Seventeen" as always been one of the most beautifully written songs ever, imo. If anyone is not familiar with it, do yourself a favor and check it out on you tube. Adios.
Wow, this was tough. In spite of the familiar I COULD EAT and CARE TO ELABORATE from last week. I hate looking things up any day of the week, but I was forced into it or risked taking NINE hours to solve. CLU Gulager was first in – remembered him from 60s show biz. I looked him up to see if I could get an explanation for his unusual first name. Turns out he’s Cherokee and CLU is from the Cherokee word “clu-clu” which means martin, as in the birds. CLU’s official name is William Martin Gulager and there you have it. BTW, I find it ODD SATISFYING that he’s still going at 92 and still acting!
I liked all the spanners, especially I COULD EAT A HORSE and the afore-mentioned ODDLY SATISFYING. At first I wanted “stress relieving” for the bubble wrap clue (and it is 15 letters) but I already had the LY in place so no go. No idea how I knew CAPE ANN as a “Gloucester setting” but it went in easily. I was flummoxed by JANIS Ian for the same reason @Z was, and I had no idea about TOES till I came here. Had a malapop with SATES which I put in at 46D before realizing its proper place was 27D – I guess I was solving from the bottom up at that point.
Hi all, among the things that made me gnash my teeth was 32A, which should have been MANC not MANU. Manchester United hasn’t been a soccer powerhouse for years. City, on the other hand, certainly is.
Two excerpts today from LAURENCE, known as "LAURIE", LEE, born June 26, 1914.
“Our terraced strip of garden was Mother’s monument, and she worked it headstrong, without plan. She would never control or clear this ground, merely cherish whatever was there; and she was as impartial in her encouragement to all that grew as a spell of sweet sunny weather. She would force nothing, graft nothing, nor set things in rows; she welcomed self-seeders, let each have its head, and was the enemy of very few weeds. Consequently our garden was a sprouting jungle and never an inch was wasted.”
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“So with the family gone, Mother lived as she wished ... Slowly, snugly, she grew into her background, warm on her grassy bank, poking and peering among the flowery bushes, dishevelled and bright as they. Serenely unkempt were those final years, free from conflict, doubt or dismay, while she reverted gently to a rustic simplicity as a moss-rose reverts to a wild one.”
(Both from Cider with Rosie)
This bear of a puzzle was ODDLY SATISFYING. I wrestled with it until I felt as if my brains were sticking out of my forehead, then broke down and cheated on SHE BOP and "checked" TARA. It was the bottom third of the puzzle that almost did me in. But with cheats, I prevailed.
A literate puzzle that ranges from "Casey At the Bat" to "Ozymandias" to "JUNE is Bustin' Out All Over" -- and I adored THE MUDVILLE NINE when it finally came in.
I was at a disadvantage because I've never gone to a nail salon (PRESS ONS was a "Huh", and they sound uncomfortably heavy and "foreign" on the nails.) I've never been tattooed either, and have no idea what a SLEEVE tattoo is or why it's "labor intensive". But I did have a moment of real pride:
I got ODDLY SATISFYING from just a few crossing letters which was quite amazing, since I have no idea how to "pop bubble wrap" or why it would be ODDLY SATISFYING to do so.
I don't drive, I don't listen to radio, and I have no idea what DRIVEWAY MOMENTS are either.
I dithered between PLEASE ELABORATE and CAN YOU ELABORATE before CARE TO ELABORATE finally came in. That was after I cheated on TARA.
I felt the whole time that I was matching wits with the constructors as I dealt with their fiendish cluing, plethora of white spaces and grown-up fill. This is the kind of challenge I live for. (Though, when I have to cheat, it means the constructors have won.)
A couple of hold-ups today stretched this solve into difficult territory, time-wise, for me. For 17A, the word "Literary" had me thinking, "Good grief, how am I going to come up with some dumb Whiz Kid event" with THEM_____LENINE staring at me. But NEVIS came to the rescue, helping me to realize that the team was not in the least literary except for being in "Casey at the Bat". Har.
Down at the bottom, I did not have Rex's easier-as-you-go-down experience. 56D was one of the first things I filled in the grid, with "ite". I guess I have read too many Diana Gabaldon books :-). And while I know what a toponym is, I had that E in place at 51A and Eggo occurred to me but that isn't really the dairy aisle, so EDys went in. No way was a court fig. going to start with Y so that didn't last long and MESS helped me out of that mess.
Thanks, John and Brad, this was more than ODDLY SATISFYING!
It's been years since NPR had real "driveway moments." Segments are no longer long enough for the kinds of extended stories they used to do. Shows are now peppered with very frequent breaks for teasers and promotional announcements for other shows, as well as for extended sponsor credits, not allowing anywhere near the time that used to be available for a single story. Stories are now much more compact and geared to shorter attention spans. More like Uber drop-off moments than driveway moments.
Yet NPR stations still brag about the "driveway moments" during fund-raising pitches. Nostalgia still sells, I guess.
Tough and fun. Up top: CLU, NEVIS, SONNET....petered out. Hopscotched to SORTED x STOMP, ORDER, RIDGE,...dead end. Okay, fine, I'll look at the cross-referenced clue: ORDER took me to the final MESS, and then I backed my way through ATTY et. al. to get DRIVEWAY MOMENTS and the are-you-kidding-me-ELABORATE-again? spanner above it. A slow and enjoyable climb back up to the top to discover THE MUDVILLE NINE waiting for me at the end. @Rex analyzed the puzzle's "old-fashioned" quality in a way I wouldn't be able to; for me, it was an old school Saturday in its difficulty, tricky cluing, and rewarding answers. A real treat.
@Barbara S. 9:30 - Thank you for the lovely Laurie Lee quotes. I encountered his name for the first time last night, as one of the novelist Elizabeth Jan Howard's lovers. So nice to have words to put with his name.
Hey All !
MAN, U know this pressed the "late solving getting antsy" button for me. So ended up cheating ala Reveal Word on two entries. 😢 LID was a deceiving answer as clued for me, never would've figured that one out. And HOST, couldn't get CAT HEAD out of the ole brain, like that Senator or whoever that had his image stuck as a cat.
Really wanted gIst at 1D, morely screwing things up up there. (Morely should absolutely be a word! It describes things perfectly!)
And after all that, still a one-letter DNF! Ouch! ElAM/lANA. Talk about getting SHOT DOWN.
Thought briefly about stimULUS for 9D, It has its limits. Har!
Got a kick out of HI ring? for LEI. HI @chefwen! 😁 Had allTOTAL first for SUMTOTAL. Add me to the malapop list of sateS at 46D first before discovering it at 27D. Neat clue for PRESSONS. Remember them being big in late 70's, early 80's.
Why do we park in a DRIVEWAY, but drive on a Parkway?
One F (not ODDLY SATISFYING) 🤪
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Loved this puzzled. It feels like it’s been a great week - solid and enjoyable all the way through. Anything under an hour makes for an enjoyable (read without frustration) Saturday puzzle for me and this was 57m. I too had let on before RATON, which made me second guess YAMMERED - an answer I dropped in on first pass. Took nearly half of the crosses to see THEMUDVILLENINE but I’m mid 30s and only vaguely recall a cartoon version of this tale... misread 18a as ‘zoom call feature” and was very stubborn on removing “mute” before HOST. And the clue on 23a had me humming “mommas in the kitchen makin corn bread, corn bread...” and trying to recall additional verses of that old song... clearly the wrong reference but I sussed out JUNE from the downs for an enjoyable finish. Lovely Saturday puzzle, and now I have that old tune in my head...
A lot of people think of positrons – the antimatter equivalent to an electrons – as some kind of science fiction thing. But a PET SCAN is short for Positron Emission Tomography. The stuff they inject you with emits positrons, which then hit electrons and they obliterate each other, emitting gamma rays, which can be detected. An actual, practical, life-saving use of antimatter.
SHE BOP is one of those early ‘80s paeans to self-gratification. See also Turning Japanese, Dancing with Myself, M&Ms. Divinyls I Touch Myself came later, and abandoned any attempts at subtlety.
All the long acrosses were very accessible except DRIVEWAY MOMENTS, which I’ve never heard in my life.
[reposting to fix an error in my earlier post. My b.]
I noticed there was no comment about NWA and no negative comment about Trap Museum. The first one, of course, has that bad word embedded in it. The second (which I learned today) is about drugs and rap. Mind you, I have no problem with either. (See: crossword puzzle) But I do find it interesting that on an average day, Rex will spit in outrage about any mention of the NRA, Trump (remember the cutesy clue about card games) and so on and so forth. But no mention of things that relate to people of color.
I would say (and have said) that the NY Times has only two references to people of color, and that's rap and afros. How about mentioning that, Rex? Fear of reprisal, I suspect, is the reason.
Good puzzle, not great. Too cute by whatever he said.
Too many goddamn question marks. When none would do.
Cheers.
I’ve commented earlier on how this puzzle was perfectly pitched for Saturday, but here are two additional thoughts:
1. Three most lovely answers – YAMMERED, ADDLED, and PITH, and
2. Proof that the brain multitasks: After [When “Ma is getting’ kittenish with Pap,” in Carousel”] sounded vaguely familiar but I couldn’t pull it out for the life of me, I moved on, but while I was working to figure out another clue, suddenly “June Is Busting Out All Over” burst forth from that speaker inside my head.
I bet @Nancy got [When "Ma is getting kittenish with Pap] right away.
Almost blanked out on the first pass. The breakthrough moment came with I Could Eat A Horse. From there it wasn't so much aha moments as it was, "Could this possibly be …" and it always was. So deeply satisfying.
Getting Toes on the crosses of two 15-letter spanners says something about how diabolical that clue was. The At may rankle some purists but I loved it.
Soooo wish I'd looked at the baffling Toponym and cracked it at Topographical Map Feature. How could I miss that? Topo!! Not just a 60-year-old puppet mouse!
Edam, the Oboe of cheeses. Didn't we just have Care To Elaborate? Driveway Moments? I've had a few. Clues for Hies, Pre, Congas, Lid … brilliant. I wonder if the kids have ever heard, "I Could Eat A Horse." Pap waits til June? Was it an annual event or end of the quarter? "Ma, I'm feelin' frisky." "Check your calendar Pa!"
@ Mary McCarty from yesterday. Thank you for Ovid. But my attempt to vent bitter sarcastic seems to have fallen short. Is it ironic that when I'm actually going for cute, I'm often accused of sarcasm? I hope you post more often. I read your profile.
@ Barbara S. 9:30a - fantastic selection today - thank you. There was also a Masterpiece version of Rosie that was quite good.
ODDLY SATISFYING: Yesterday was my nephew's 18th birthday. He came over in the morning. We loaded rocks into the wheelbarrow, walked them through the woods, then loaded them into backpacks and made the long-feeling hike down the hill to a wooded swale near a little spring fed creek (it's where my daughter took the "Birchbark" avatar-photo you see back in the olden days).
I CARE TO ELABORATE: My neighbor Jeff, the stone mason, was down there building a footbridge over the stream. We're using hand-sawn maple, oak, cedar, and basswood from fallen trees on the property (no power tools). There's a long birch-trunk rail anchoring the crossbeams on one side, oak on the other. I do most of the sawing. He's the architect and assembler. My neighbor is also laying the rocks my nephew and I hauled strategically in the stream to build little pools and waterfalls.
I COULD EAT A HORSE: Then my nephew and I took the packs through the swamp and down near the river. We loaded them with limestone slabs, then back to the bridge site, where we stopped to eat our sandwiches and drink water. Double-smoked ham and brie with cracked pepper on baguettes. My daughter had come down with a few more rocks and took some photos of all of the activity. We ferried the limestone up the hill to the wheelbarrow and back to the house, hauled more rocks back to the stream site, then did some sawing, etc. My neighbor will use the limestone at our house to improve the front stoop.
I COULD EAT another HORSE: Then back to the house for good and cleaned up, my daughter and nephew watched movies downstairs and ate Dominos pizza, which they'd made the 20-minute trip down to Stillwater to pick up. I appropriated a few slices for myself, paired with a cold Two-Hearted ale, and watched a brilliant version of Shakespeare's "Tempest" (Donmar Warehouse, 2016, all-woman actors) on the computer in my office.
By my CALCULUS, a good day. Today I am feeling muscles I'd forgotten I had make steady protest, an acceptable part of the bargain.
Keith D,
Guess it’s still too early for Z to acknowledge he was wrong on his over number yesterday.
Not too early to besmirch Will Shortz by calling him a liar though.
Alternative clueing for "Manu" - Cameroonian musician. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manu_Dibango
No psychologist or star witness here, but I will testify in court that mood, sleep, and beverages - pre- and during solve, affect my (possibly everyone’s?) ability to snap into and enjoy even a slow or fast paced xword experience.
No snaps for me today. Maybe if I had got TOES it would have given me a TOE HOLD on the darn thing.
Still, the parts that clicked were — like bubble wrap.
It was a good puzz, just not for YT on this Saturday.
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And I saw the Terry GROSS thing too. Nice. (Intentional or not)
@Matthew 9:27am - I get that Manchester United isn't on top right now, but I think 'powerhouse' is still apt. They can coast on their glory for a little while longer. It's like calling the Yankees a powerhouse even if they haven't won a World Series in awhile. Anyway, I don't think MANC is a common enough shortening for Manchester City so it doesn't work in that way, but Manc is definitely associated with Manchester so it could work if clued another way.
Speaking of MAN_ clues, I'd love to see the very popular Mexican band Maná end up as an answer in the NYT as a nod to our Spanish-speaking friends.
Southside Johnny...the reference is to press on fingernails (fake nails)
@ Matthew Your gripe is one only a diehard "football" fan would get. MANU is perfectly fine; they're still one of the richest, most famous sports franchises in the world.
The only clue I didn't care for was the stale CLU, who I never heard of.
Otherwise, a few minutes faster than normal. A fun Saturday with brilliant spanners!
@Birchbark, Post of the year. Harrisonian and Frostian all at once. Deeply Satisfying.
@Z, I avoided dropping in Janis Ian for the same reasons.
@N. Adams, No commuting anymore but Invisibilia, Ira Flatow, and All Things Considered were still keeping me in the car last year.
@sixtyni yogini, As an insomniac, I can attest to the sleep thing.
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@Z - Yes, the name of the "Mean Girls" character, who is around seventeen and very much aware that love is meant for beauty queens, is an intentional homage.
Count me among those who found this puzzle ODDLYSATISFYING. It flew right by once I got going (first answers in were NEVIS -> ORES -> RELY). I've never been much of an NPR listener, but DRIVEWAYMOMENTS was totally inferable, even if it made me roll my eyes a bit. THEMUDVILLENINE was a fun "aha" moment, as I just went to a baseball game yesterday.
Very much enjoyed the clues for CONGAS, PRESSONS, SUMTOTAL, CALCULUS, and yes, even TOES.
But how does god-awful trap music already have its own museum, when the real deal in the Bronx won't even be finished with construction until 2024?!
@N. Adams 9:42 - Re: the frequent NPR teasers during news broadcasts - recently the director of Wisconsin Public Radio appeared on a call-in show to take comments and questions, and a listener called in with this very complaint about the waste of airtime. The response was, "We have to do it to maintain our audience." My thought was, unless you're driving people away with the constant iteration of "That'll be coming up in about 15 minutes here on Wisconsin Public Radio."
Medium. CLU I knew from a ‘50s TV cowboy show, which was very helpful. Most of this was wheelhouse adjacent with only JANIS and DANA (as clued) being WOES. Fun Sat., liked it a bunch!
I’m surprised more people aren’t bothered by CARE TO ELABORATE being used again after last Friday, and even I COULD EAT A HORSE. I mean, I don’t think these phrases are very hard to get in the first place, but filling this stuff in loses any sense of satisfaction for me when I know these phrases are fresh in my mind straight from the last week’s crosswords. I don’t like feeling like I’m being taught a series of phrases to mechanically fill in. It’s fine with shorter trivia, but not these long answers.
No: https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=driveway%20moment
@Amelia:
Y'all got:
OANN
Fox
NY Post
Newsmax
Every Sinclair teeVee station
Thiel's money
Koch's money
what more do you want?
@ss and @Matthew - I would say a strong argument can be made that MAN U continues to out powerhouse City. They are certainly more of a powerhouse at the bank, having not been found guilty of violating FFP regulations (for the uninitiated- FFP is the rule that football clubs have to generate a profit - so even if a Sheikh billionaire or a Boston billionaire owns the club what the club spends can’t exceed what the club earns) and are still #1 in number of fans worldwide amongst English Clubs. Even this year MAN U finishing second seemed like more of a big deal than City winning the EPL. To use that Yankees comparison, City is forever the Mets, no matter how good they may be at the moment on the field.
@kitshef - abandoned any attempts at subtlety I’d say the Divinyls reveled at their lack of subtlety. (Pop Quiz - Can anyone explain why I didn’t capitalize “the”?)
T.A.
@anon - Making predictions is hard, especially about the future. And look, proving me wrong means you didn’t make as many asinine comments yesterday so everyone wins. ������
@Jyqm - Thanks. The “revenge” in the clue made me doubt the link, but your explanation makes perfect sense to me.
@Anon11:15 - I was so focused on I COULD EAT A HORSE that I didn’t remember how recently CARE TO ELABORATE appeared. But, take my general plaint from my first paragraph and it applies. That’s an editorial decision and I would have preferred a much bigger gap between this puzzle and those puzzles. My sense so far is that people who noticed are as bothered as you.
@Z, @Barbara S, @JD
A note on JANIS Ian: I don't know whether Tina Fey has ever discussed or disclosed the reason for the name choice(maybe @Jyqm 1106am has the inside track), but I always felt it was tied in with the character always being "accused" of being a lesbianby Regina George. Yes, I probably know too much about that movie, but tough. 😉
@JD 1018am Any excuse to resurrect the mildewed, soft, fake body of the littlest Gigio is aces with me! Thanks! 🤣
Glad I'm not alone on the TOES joke. Thought I might just be cranky, but that happens so rarely...
@Birchbark 1022am What a lovely day. I had a similar experience: drove to Walmart and picked up some Chinese takeout. It's like we're twins.
@Z-Stay classy.
What did Mr. Ed say when one of today’s constructors came up with ICOULDEATAHORSE?
Hell no,Wilber.
What do you call a gathering of mothers who are also otolaryngologists in front of a garage?
DRIVEWAY MOM ENTS.
I think I like Rex better when he’s not on Prozac.
I did like the puzzle a lot, though.
@ Carola (11:10) I think you've stumbled upon something. The frequent teasers are "drive away moments."
I would imagine this was a little bit on the tough side for those who don’t cheat but on Saturdays I do so shamelessly. Otherwise I would be sitting most of the day staring at my clipboard, chewing on my pencil until I finally STOMP my feet and admit I’ve been SHOT DOWN.
Observations in no particular order: SORTED two days in a row. Killer CLU for CONGAS. No modern slang today, thank God. The 3 down/10 down thing was a silly MESS.
I’ll never understand why people get SLEEVE tattoos, have never liked SUN TEA, and would rather scrub my DRIVEWAY with a toothbrush than listen to NPR. So there. Now I’ve YAMMERED enough for today. “Time to PRESS ON,” SHE said as the SPA DAY beckoned.
Loved all the long crossed except THEMUDVILLENINE which was a WOE for me, and crossed with CLU and NEVIS made a slog of the NW corner.
@Frantic (you know I thought of you when I typed in my spirit animal) Walmart has Chinese?
@egsforbreakfast, Whoa! On fire.
Ay frijoles con papas...this was hard...like trying to EAT A HORSE, hard. All I did was a rude stare.
Where did I begin you ask? I began by placing a collect call to that dude, Google. I needed at least 1A. I start there and I can't help myself. Do you light up like a little lightning bug when you get a PET SCAN?
That one cheat got me the keys to the vault. I began to sing....Boy did I sing... I even did a skip to my loo.
The whole top was beginning to take shape. BUT...the caveat rears its ugly head and I needed the services of my attorney to get CALCULUS. I have my limits...CALCULUS isn't one of them. Just wines, thank you.
My other cheats were looking up at the word toponym (I like @JD's explanation of Topo better). Was EDAM a clown as well? And why don't we search for GOLD? And why isn't some kind of power, WIND and I would never read anything that has "Educated" as its title, so, dear TARA....you, too were a no show.
Sigh du jour.
OK, so that was about 6 lookie loos. I got all the long ones and that made me do a fandango tango. I remembered SAMOAS....I even got THE MUDVILLE NINE because I remembered that Casey At the Bat thing. Life was a bit like a cabaret old CHUM but please don't ever serenade me with a LUTE. You can give me a SPA DAY.
What did I like best you ask? Getting DRIVEWAY MOMENTS. I only listened to NPR and that's why I never know any of the new SHE BOP songs.
My MESS runneth over. John and Brad got me good.... but because I'm a softy at heart, I loved the beatings.
So last night I'm watching a local AAA baseball game here in the Lehigh Valley, and the announcer tells us that former Lehigh Valley Iron Pig Dylan Cozens has given up baseball to take a shot at the NFL. I remembered a guy who sat near me at Iron Pig's games who would say "Here comes Casey" whenever the 6'6" 245 pound Cozens strode to the plate. The huge Cozens stood proudly erect at the plate (intimidating pitchers) and could hit homers a mile or more, but unfortunately struck out at a record pace (in a career 45 Major League at-bats Dylan struck out 24 times).
So at the mention of Cozens' name I remembered "Here comes Casey" and decided to read "Casey at the Bat" for the first time in years. Yeah, last night. Nothing like a 15 letter gimme to open a Saturday puzz.
And yes @Rex, this was a terrific Saturday crossword. I also assumed the Terry Gross pun was intentional, if not our constructors should pretend it was. And who can't love a puzzle with ICOULDEATAHORSE? Great puzzle.
@Matthew - Manchester United has been the most famous sports franchise in the world for well over half a century, they remain a powerhouse - and they've been called MANU forever.
Would've had a DNF at CLe / THE MeDVILLE NINE. Before today I had never heard of "Casey At The Bat." And just look at them! "CLE" and "MEDVILLE" both seem like far more plausible names/places than what actually found its way into this puzzle. I have met people named "Cle," and people named "Medville." Places and businesses are called "Medville." What self-respecting community calls itself MUDVILLE, and what self-respecting person lets people call them CLU?
Luckily for me, on weekends I solve with my fiancée — who was forced to memorize this poem in the third grade. She remembered MUDVILLE, but we were still convinced we had something wrong. Because who the £#¢k goes around naming their child CLU?! Turns out it's a nickname, so that's even stupider.
Really, a U?? For that crossing? I don't want to hate this so much, but I really do hate this so much.
Rex Parker, who coined the term "Natick" and fiercely defends poor solvers met with a vowel-crossing trivia intersection, let me down today. I was really hoping to find some solace here.
Also? I just gave "Casey At The Bat" a read and don't care for it. It's sing-songy childish claptrap. Yes, I'm probably just taking it out on the poem that I hated this cross today. And, yes, "Casey At The Bat" is probably something I should know about.
But the whole thing left a bad taste in my mouth, which is all I will ever remember about this puzzle.
CLU Gulager’s career includes some pretty cool movies. He plays the town lothario in The Last Picture Show who delivers the line “I didn’t come here to referee no fight” in the dance hall sequence that is straight out of a John Ford movie. The Killers is just great all around, but especially when Ronald Reagan calmly gets up and punches Angie Dickinson and then becomes Governor of California.
Just when I thought I was advancing nicely on the FridaySaturday puzzles, this puzzle brought me back to reality, I could barely make a dent in it. Keep on keeping on
Tough & had to cheat - but it's Saturday, right?
Very enjoyable all the same!
@anonymous 11:24
Can you see me waving my hand over my head? You totally misunderstood what I was saying. I'm sorry you had to work so hard at coming up with all that right-wing media. I am a New Yorker. I am left of left. I even like AOC. Although not into censorship or cancelling anything. Card-carrying member of the ACLU until recently when they decided that all rights to free speech weren't important. And that it was a privilege for privileged people that shouldn't be a privilege unless it's a privilege for all. So exhausting.
(Repeating the mantra of the head of the ACLU: Everyone thinks their speech is protected. It's the other guy they're not so sure about.)
My point is this. Why should, in his opinion, the awful things like the NRA and Trump be cancelled. When left-leaning awful other things, like drugs and name-calling be left alone? It's hypocritical.
Got it? I expect a reply.
Wow. Put in PETSCAN without any help from crosses. Been sitting on that for several decades, waiting for it to show up in a crossword puzzle grid.
My go to clue for 32 Across would be MANU Ginóbili, four time NBA Champion playing for the San Antonio Spurs from 1995 to 2018. He is one of only two players to win a EuroLeague championship, an NBA championship and an Olympic Gold Medal. MANU is a sure bet to be elected to the NBA Hall of Fame.
I find it SATISFYING, nothing ODD about it, to look for entries that are not up to the task of filling their designated slots in the grid and need help from the ultra useful and convenient letter S. Here are some from today's offering: ACT OUT, CONGA, ORE, SALE TAG, HIE, PRESS ON, SAMOA, DRIVEWAY MOMENT, SPA DAY, SATE, CRAM, TEE and SIGN.
@Barbara (9:30) You outdid yourself today. My dear mother was a lifelong gardener, and I cannot imagine the final years of her life being described more eloquently than that.
@Frantic (11:35) Walmart and Chinese? I love action packed days like that. Although sometimes I trend more toward Jimmy John’s.
@Lewis (10:10) -- Or perhaps even sooner than right away:) Thanks for the shoutout.
@oceanjeremy (12:34) -- You poor, poor thing. Naticks like that can be soul-crushing, and I didn't know CLU either. But don't take it out on "Casey At the Bat". I just re-read it and, yes, it certainly has it's clunky moments. But it also has one last memorable stanza which perfectly encapsulates the emotions of disappointed sports fans everywhere -- from every era and in every sport:
Oh, somewhere in this favoured land the sun is shining bright,
The band is playing somewhere, and somewhere hearts are light;
And somewhere men are laughing, and somewhere children shout,
But there is no joy in Mudville—mighty Casey has struck out.
How can you hate a poem with those immortal lines, @oceanjeremy? Just because you Naticked on MUDVILLE? I know you, @oceanjeremy, and I know you're bigger than that:)
yup
@JD 1226pm I wondered (not really) who would jump on that. You never disappoint, girlfriend. 😊
@Rex and @John H: If you had seen Carousel you would remember this 3 hour and 15 minute paean to a wife and child abuser, who is given more chances than the former guy to get things right and still never quite achieves it. Score orchestrated with a bulldozer, like much of R & H; not as bad as South Pacific, but almost. "JUNE is busting out all over" might be the best respite from the tedium, but it doesn't compensate for a 45 minute book scene. You can tell how much I liked the show. Not having a CLU or a DANA or a TARA, let alone never having experienced a PET SCAN, this one fell into the challenging category for me.
Amelia,
Another anon here ( not 11:24). I’m far right of you. And not a fan of AOC. But I’ll walk with you anyway day. Your point wasn’t missed here. And it was an important point. You’re dead right about Rex, and The Times and their comments or reportage of POC.
And tne ACLU? They were once quite brave. Now, well, craven doesn’t begin describe them.
Anyway, despite the abuse heaped on us, the calumny, smears and flat out character assassination we anons are subjected to ( hi z, frantic sloth, JC 66 Pete, TTrimble et al) many of us appreciate thoughtful posts freed from ideological baggage.
Cheers to you.
SATES crossing ODDLYSATISFYING in the middle of the grid is oddly satisfying.
@Amelia - Two great posts today. And amen on your ACLU comment.
"It's like we're twins." I laughed out loud at your hilarious and wildly original rejoinder to @Birchbark's totally exhausting-sounding day, @Frantic Sloth (11:35) -- or at least I did once I finally caught up with @Birchbark's (10:10) post. (It went up late this morning, even as I was going out early to avoid possible T-storms, which now don't seem to be arriving.)
To @Birchbark I say: THIS is how your nephew chose to spend his 18th birthday? Hauling all those rocks and limestone slabs hither and yon and to and fro? He would seem to be a chip off the old block and most likely found it ODDLY SATISFYING. As for me, I'm with @GILL and would much prefer a SPA DAY.
@Digital Dan -- I'm pretty sure I've never met anyone who hated Rodgers and Hammerstein before. It's very disquieting for me -- sort of like meeting a Martian in the flesh. I mean I defend to the death and all that, but how can you????
What does the clue on “pre” mean? 50 Across
What does 50 Across mean (with the answer “pre”)
N. Adams 11:56 - :)
@Amelia:
I expect a reply.
since when are drugs and name-calling exclusively or even majorily "left"? drug running into our cities is the product of Right Wing 2nd and 3rd world countries, and if you believe the conspiracies, our precious CIA. The Orange Sh!tgibbon (not my coinage, but I cleave) is the one who took public discourse into the gutter, or did you not notice? he makes name calling his reason to exist.
and also remember: free speech is a right not to be infringed by the Damn Gummint. private platforms, such as those which have banned The Orange Sh!tgibbon (not my coinage, but I cleave) are under NO OBLIGATION to provide access to those they find offensive. it is OFL's right to protest those aspect of speech, ON HIS PLATFORM, which he finds offensive. that is, in no way, shape, or form an infringement of free speech. shutting down the Fake News outlets, which The Orange Sh!tgibbon (not my coinage, but I cleave) hates because they reveal his evilness IS an example of violating the First Amendment.
"With all of the Fake News coming out of NBC and the Networks, at what point is it appropriate to challenge their License? Bad for country!"
-- The Orange Sh!tgibbon (not my coinage, but I cleave)
@Robert Friedman
I'd answer, but have other things to do.
@Mohair Sam-Liked your AAA baseball story about a large and imposing player. Our NH team, The Fisher Cats, is a Toronto affiliate and was a stop on the way for Vlad Guerrero Jr. who is having a pretty good year. Don't think he'll try football.
I took my good old best friend to a game there--it's in Manchester, NH, and we stayed at the hotel where the patio dining/bar overlooks center field. "What do you think", I said, as we walked out there. "It's perfect." was his response. Yep.
Anyway, all this made me wonder if a fisher cat would try to eat an iron pig, and from what I know about them, they'd certainly try.
ODDLYSATISFYING that CALCULUS was my last entry since it was my very favorite course to teach. I always learned something new.
@Nancy: You’re too right! I did give the poem a reread when I’d cooled off, and the timing and language of the final stanza are indeed expertly executes. I’m resistant to anything baseball-themed, but when I set aside my personal peculiarities and focus on the words and the musicality it is, indeed, a good poem. The craft is there in spades, and the humor understated and perfectly timed. I rescind my grudge against this poem.
Thank you @Nancy for lending me your Natick sympathies, perhaps even empathy. You’ve made my day better!
Thought on my first pass that I’d join @JD and like Casey totally flail on that third strike, but gradually the clouds parted and the sun was shining—definitely beyond medium in our house. Thanks to this Bosword duo’s balanced grid there was something for any age or interest, but conversely something to stub TOES on in every quadrant. I have enjoyed almost all the films cited by previous posters, but hadn’t a CLU for 5d. Frustrating at times like CALCULUS (the course that canceled my EE major and turned me into an English fella), but that’s what I —masochistic that I am— enjoy on Saturday!
@anonymous 2:47
You're right. It's lots of groups that make drugs the bad things that they are. I meant because, in this case, the connection was music and rap and people of color, it was somehow not worth a sneer.
And I'm not sneering at any of it. I love lots of rap. I have a bigger problem with censorship than I do with hurtful words. Sticks and stones, you know.
And it's a crossword puzzle, for Godsakes!
Cheers.
paloinnh,
Catching a game with an old friend is the second best thing I can think of. The best is having a drink with my best friend while overlooking an empty but perfectly manicured field awaiting the next day’s game. That’s a scene to make the poet weep.
I’ve seen plenty of empty stadiums. (My job puts me in stadiums more than the humbler, and nicer places like the Cats’ home*) and while I’m usually ready to vomit from anxiety, I always marvel at the beauty of the field. It never fails.
For Mohair Sam,
After the first game of yesterday’s double header, hard on the heels of Wednesday’s debacle, something in me died. I renounced my Phillies fandom after more than half a century of devotion. I spent the time when they were playing the nightcap desperately looking for tix to any of the minor league clubs that are close. I’m on the wrong side of The Ben so the Iron Pigs felt like too long a haul, and, metaphorically, too close to home.
Forgot the **
Northeast Delta Dental is an awful mouthful for such a small but charming park pabloinnh.
@Robert Friedman (2:33) PREoccupied
@JD (10:57) -- Kind words -- mighty good poets to evoke for wand'ring blog thoughts.
@Frantic (11:35), @Nancy (2:30) -- Twins indeed, if not triplets. The Domino's slices were good, but the Wal-Mart Chinese dinner has me thinking. My nephew's take on the ODDLY SATISFYING day, in a text this morning: "Yesterday felt like I couldn't have asked for a more perfect birthday."
I'm British but a big fan of The Virginian back in the day, so Clu Gulager was obvious.
Excellent puzzle. There was a boatload of stuff I didn’t know, and several areas where I had to erase my answers and start anew, but eventually I was able to fill it all in correctly without cheating.
SUMTOTAL is a pet peeve of mine, but I felt validated by the clue pointing out its redundancy. Toponymic cheese! Fun!
The last word I completed was TOES, which made no sense at all, so I entered the final letter with trepidation, but my iPad instantly congratulated me. Not a speedy solve, but ultimately very satisfying. Just the way I like my Saturday puzzles.
@Amelia...good to have you back again. I knew exactly what you meant. BUT... a good fight on this here Rex blog can be so rewarding. You do it justice..... :-)
@anon 2:47p - although I agree with your obvious emoting - your take on free speech is juvenile. Once you take sides it’s done.
@anon 4:08-One more outstanding memory--
My son chose to have his bachelor party at NEDD Stadium (which is small jewel, to be sure). One of his best men had some connections arranged for him to throw out the first pitch, and those of us who were part of the shindig got to go down and stand on the filed to watch. Short windup with his elegant lefty motion, and he threw a perfect strike that I will remember forever.
I've been to the ballyard in Philly and it's one of my favorites, along with San Francisco and of course "America's most beloved ballpark" in Boston. Ah, baseball.
I know this blog’s author and commenters are intelligent people, and there is plenty of room for intelligent and meaningful debate on the issues of the day.
One thing we can all agree on is that JOHN X is a great guy. The words in his posts are always spelled correctly, and the margins are nice as well.
@palonh (2:54) - I've checked your mascot's picture. I'd like to thank your club for moving The Iron Pigs back to second place in the National Hideous-looking Mascot competition.
@anon (4:08) - I hear ya. More pain today with Eflin leaving us ahead of deGrom and then watching Neris giving it away with help from Hoskins' lead glove. Don't know how far you are from The Shore - but try the Jersey Shore Blue Claws in Lakewood, an A+ level club. Great little park.
@Mohair-You're welcome, although I don't see what's so ugly about a weasel on steroids.
Yours in baseball,
pinnh
Amelia, Amelia, Amelia. Please, I beg you, don't wake up the Cleaver.
I got MUD but unfortunately not Mudville but TALMUD. Boy, did that screw me up. Also CAT SCAN, ACTS UP? and CARE TO ELUCIDATE. Had to cheat for the NE corner.
I enjoyed Rex's commentary almost as much as solving the puzzle itself.
This one had some resistance to it, but perseverance won out. First to fall was ICOULDEATAHORSE. Stalled after doing the north third. Then I STOMPed into the middle and was left with...wait, this can't be CARETOELABORATE: we just had that one! Yet it was. Shouldn't we at least let a couple years pass before repeating a gridspanner?? DRIVEWAYMOMENTS unfamiliar but ultimately inferable.
Saturday-tough, about normal for the day. A PITHy solve. DANA "Queen Latifah" Owens wins DOD. Birdie--like Xander Schauffle did again on the 18th hole last night to take the Olympic lead into the final round. Go Xander!!
HOST ACTSOUT
THE DRIVEWAYMOMENTS are a TRIAL,
MEG's ODDLYSATISFYING in THE backseat,
what SHE YAMMERED all THE while,
"MAN,U TEES, you are THEONE that ICOULDEAT."
--- JANIS EAN
Mean. Just mean. Had one square wrong. Had CLi not CLU for 5D. What a slog…
So I looked at the clues for the 15s first and without hesitation filled in ICOULDEATAHORSE, THEMUDVILLENINE, and DRIVEWAYMOMENTS (though my DRIVEWAYMOMENTS usually have more to do with Deep Tracks on Sirius XM). So, fill in the blanks the rest of the way.
If we CARETOELABORATE any more then we can surely continue to CLU ACDC as the band.
I will ATTEND to the matter of TARA Westover's yeah baby.
This puz was ODDLYSATISFYING.
Today it was my turn for not knowing a lot of the trivia. But did get the spanners. Had a few lookups...
Diana, LIW
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