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Thursday, November 26, 2020

Constructor: Neville Fogarty

Relative difficulty: Easy-Medium (something under 5)


THEME: LONG (71A: Word interpreted literally in completing four of this puzzle's answers) — Across answers are all two-word phrases beginning with "LONG," but instead of appearing in the grid, "LONG" is represented literally; that is, the word following "Long" is actually, physically made long by having each letter stretched over the length of two squares instead of the usual one: 

Theme answers:
  • VVOOWWEELL (18A: Oboe or flute sound) (i.e. "long vowel")
  • IISSLLAANNDD (29A: Home to around eight million Americans) (i.e. "Long Island")
  • WWIINNDDEEDD (47A: Circumlocutory) (i.e. "long-winded")
  • JJOOHHNNSS (61A: Some winter wear) (i.e. "long johns")
Word of the Day: ANNA of Arendelle (Disney heroine) (57D) —


Anna of Arendelle
 (/ˈɑːnə/) is a fictional character who appears in Walt Disney Animation Studios' 53rd animated film Frozen and its sequel Frozen II. She is voiced by Kristen Bell as an adult. At the beginning of the film, Livvy Stubenrauch and Katie Lopez provide her speaking and singing voice as a young child, respectively. Agatha Lee Monn portrayed her as a nine-year-old (singing). In Frozen II, Hadley Gannaway provided her voice as a young child while Stubenrauch is the archive audio.

Created by co-directors Jennifer Lee and Chris Buck, Anna is loosely based on Gerda, a character from the Danish fairytale "The Snow Queen" by Hans Christian Andersen. In the Disney film adaptation, Anna is depicted as the princess of Arendelle, a fictional Scandinavian kingdom, and the younger sister of Princess Elsa (Idina Menzel), who is the heiress to the throne and possesses the elemental ability to create and control ice and snow. When Elsa exiles herself from the kingdom after inadvertently sending Arendelle into an eternal winter on the evening of her coronation, fearless and faithful Anna is determined to set out on a dangerous adventure to bring her sister back and save both her kingdom and her family. (wikipedia)

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Delighted to see this byline today (my birthday), as Neville is one of the loveliest people I know in the entire world of crosswords. This is an absolutely solid little ROMP (17A: Play like a puppy), even if it does have two elements that notoriously annoy the heck out of me, i.e. a [See notes] instruction when I open the puzzle file, and also just the word NATANT, yuck, why does it exist, kill it (32D: Swimming). Anyway, the puzzle notes tell me that:

In the print version of this puzzle, every two squares in 18-, 29-, 47- and 61-Across are joined as one.

So instead of writing in the letters twice, as I've had to, you can just write them in once, and draw them all fun-house mirrory (i.e. "long"). Since I never read puzzle notes before I solve, I was left to piece together why there were repeating letters, why the first themer started VVOO-. After not being able to make anything out of it, I decided to just test the two-letter theory, so when I got a "W" I put in another "W" and so on. That led me to "VOWEL," and that led me to grasping the theme (the "o"s and "u" in the words "oboe" and "flute" are long vowels). The themers were easier thereafter, obviously, and each one easier than the next, it seemed. There wasn't much pizzazz outside the theme itself, but there was also very little garbage (NATANT notwithstanding), and I liked the cute little nod to the actual holiday that it is today, in addition to my birthday. Happy Thanksgiving! (40A: Celebrated Thanksgiving, say = FEASTED). 


Neville tells me that this puzzle is really a secret tribute to actress Shelley LONG of "Troop Beverly Hills" fame. He didn't actually say that, but I want to believe that subconsciously, that is what he was trying to do here. 


Ironically, the one part of this puzzle that was not a ROMP for me was the ROMP section. I wanted GATE at 1A: Info for an air traveler, but then Could Not make the first two Downs happen off the "G" and "A," so figured GATE was wrong. [Mystery writer, for short] is a cute but Brutal clue for ANON. (if the name of a writer is unknown, i.e. a mystery, then the writer is anonymous, or ANON.). I also had --EASY at 20A: Experiencing agita (UNEASY) and wanted only QUEASY. The most unlikely thing to happen today was the first thing I put into the grid was UNIX (14A: Operating system from Bell Labs). LOL I am pretty tech-stupid but somehow my brain was like "it's UNIX, put it in, *do it*!" and my brain was right. Had the usual LAVS v LOOS trouble (7D: Places to go in England), and then some EWE v. SOW confusion (9D: Female on a farm). I have never seen "Frozen" (daughter was too old by then to be overrun by the phenomenon), so the whole ANNA clue was actually baffling to me. I enjoyed remembering "Happy Days," and remembering Potsy in particular (31D: Actor Williams of "Happy Days" = ANSON). In case it's not clear, the first letter in "Gym," the "G," is a SOFT G, unlike the HARD G that starts GATE, GURU, gag order, or Gary Cooper. I hope you have a lovely, feastful day. Mwah!

Signed, Rex Parker, King of CrossWorld 

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116 comments:

Joaquin 12:50 AM  

If putting two letters in one box is a "Rebus", would this puzzle be a "Suber"?

Colette 12:59 AM  

Really liked this puzzle - clever theme. Also had Unix as my first entry and later put in queasy. Was trying to decide if there was a whiz who was like a QAnon or a GenQ or something like that. Hubby went for HiIQ, until we figured it out. We usually do the puzzles separately, but often team up on Thursdays (my favorite day) and Saturdays (out of necessity), of course. Are there any other husband-wife teams out there? I actually like the word 'natant' just for the crisp sound of it, but has anyone heard it used in any conversation ever? It's frequently in the SB, but that doesn't excuse its appearance here. Also really liked the clue for raises -- more than calls -- and the misdirect of Anon - mystery writer, for short. (OMG, I'm turning into Rex.) Happy Thanksgiving to all, or as we overeaters remind ourselves, Happy Thursday.

David Eisner 12:59 AM  

HHaappyy bbiirrtthhddaayy!!

jae 1:17 AM  

Medium, DUpONT before DUMONT took some time to fix, but I was 98% sure that Abercrombie & Fitch did not have a pOOSE logo.

Delightful, and Jeff gave it a much deserved POW.

G. Weissman 1:29 AM  

Perhaps it goes without saying that this puzzle is as mediocre as the previous puzzles Rex regularly lambasts. The answers are not really LONG for having double letters or two squares combined into one, so that doesn’t work any better than the supposed plus signs in last Sunday’s puzzle that Rex railed against. Perhaps it’s time to acknowledge the mediocrity of the NYT crossword puzzle as a whole. There are occasional bright spots, but it’s mostly stuff like this puzzle. Ever get tired of ION (here pluralized for an exciting change), ULNA, ONO, TOON, etc.? Folks will charge Rex with being kinder to the constructors he knows and likes (is that so surprising or terrible?), but it’s the mediocrity of the whole that most strikes me.

okanaganer 2:27 AM  

Fun theme, a little novelty is great. So we have a SOFT G just above a LONG VOWEL. So speaking of phonetics...

Looking at 29 across, for whatever reason I am reminded of this: in ICELANDic, the name of their country is ISLAND, but although that nation is indeed an island, ISLAND (pronouced "eessland") means ICELAND. Ok, now I see, the reason I am reminded of that is because in the grid it looks like it wants to be pronounced 'EESSLAANND'.

I liked the insolence of several clues here, for instance "Needle maker", "More than calls", and "Mystery writer for short".

Here in Canada we (40 across) "Celebrated Thanksgiving" six weeks ago. Farther north, earlier harvest, I always thought? According to the Canadian Encyclopedia:
"Sir Martin Frobisher and his crew are credited as the first Europeans to celebrate a Thanksgiving ceremony in North America, in 1578 (in the present Canadian Territory of Nunavut)"

And per a wikipedia article, politicians set the date:
"During and after the American Revolution, American refugees who remained loyal to Great Britain moved from the newly independent United States to Canada. They brought the customs and practices of the American Thanksgiving to Canada, such as the turkey, pumpkin, and squash...
After World War I... the Armistice Day Act established that Armistice Day and Thanksgiving would, starting in 1921, both be celebrated on the Monday of the week in which November 11 occurred. Ten years later, in 1931, the two days became separate holidays, and Armistice Day was renamed Remembrance Day... the date (for Thanksgiving) was set by proclamation, generally falling on the second Monday in October".

Monty Boy 2:46 AM  

I liked this one a lot.

Kinda like Rex, I thought I had solid 5D and 6D (VV) and gave a passing thought to having the Thursday gimmick be doubling the letters. I didn’t really believe that idea and had to fill in (slowly) a bunch of the grid before I was convinced the double was right. That sped things up.

I had the LONG for 71A from the crosses but didn’t connect with the clue/reveal right away. When I did and saw the long JOHNS, it was a great AHA, followed by laughter. And best of all (if you solve with NYT app) when you put in the last letter and get the happy tune, the solution has elongated letters. That is the V is stretched over two squares, as are the rest of the letters, so there are stretched letters for VOWEL, ISLAND, WINDED and JOHNS.

It seemed like kind of a reverse rebus for Thursday. Instead of several letters in a square, half a letter in each square.

Oh, and happy birthday Rex. Hope you have a DDAAYY full of fun.

Geneva Girl 3:04 AM  

Happy Birthday Rex and Happy and safe Thanksgiving to everyone!

Charles Flaster 5:28 AM  

Enjoyed the gimmick.
Loved clue for ANON.
My high school’s pool was called the Natatorium or the Nat so I enjoy NATANT. Also a good word for SB.
Brooklyn1952 ish— family bought a DUMONT TV—Channel 5 was owned by DUMONT. Potsy might remember.
Thanks NF

albatross shell 6:01 AM  

A puzzle for @Lewis to be thankful for. Could anyone be more deserving? Enjoy it. Thats what he tells us every day.

Anonymous 6:22 AM  

Happy birthday Rex! Among many things I am thankful for, your blog is one! Happy Thanksgiving all!

Frantic Sloth 6:25 AM  

Happy Thanksgiving, everyone!

I don't want to grouch anything today and luckily for me, this little treat started me off on the right foot.

Appropriately enough, some pretty good chew to this one. Gotta do the warmup exercises for the main event, after all.

Fun theme, which exposed itself (no raincoat) early on, but took me a little, um, longer to tease out its meaning.
And then a magic trick (if you're solving on the NYT website) upon successful completion! Call me goofy, but I loved that little surprise.

Plus, there was a puppy!

Good times! Enjoy your day.

Sloth out.


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🎉🎉🎉🎉

Grande 6:33 AM  

Happy Birthday to the King! Happy, healthy and safe Thanksgiving to all.

Conrad 6:34 AM  


Unlike Rex, I like notes. I read notes. I use the information in notes.

Unlike Rex, today I didn't see a note (I use the Times Web interface, but I didn't see it in the iPhone app either).

My first thought on reding the Mystery writer clue was eapoe, but that didn't fit. My second thought was ANON and after that I was off to the races. Sometimes I try to solve without reading the clues for the long acrosses, which are often the themers. Today I think that strategy actually helped. I saw the odd double letters and figured, "Must be Thursday." When I had enough of 29A to see IISSLLAANND, the dime dropped and the rest was a (relative) cinch.

H. Uh 6:50 AM  

Instruction? What instruction?

Lewis 7:04 AM  

Well, please excuse your resident alphadoppeltotter, who is a bit overstimulated, and is cooling off with a hand fan, after encountering the highest double letter count (26) that has come his way, a true sign, in his eyes, that Thanksgiving is upon us. No, it is not an official record, as it is theme related; nonetheless, he is near swoon and abliss. (Hi, @albatross shell!)

Neville, you had me with the clues to RAISES, NEG, and ANON, not to mention the apex of delight at the moment of theme-grok, and the spate of skirmishes to be gloriously fought and won.

Those plus the doubles turned what looked like a prosaic holiday for me this year into a Fourth of July mood. Thank you for your gem of a puzzle, Sir Fogarty, and may this not be a GGOOOODDBBYYEE!

John 7:05 AM  

Happy Birthday!!!

ow a paper cut 7:20 AM  

This was good fun. I wish it was the size of a Sunday puzzle.

Ann Howell 7:21 AM  

With no notes to the online version, this took me forever to figure out what was going on. And then there was so much in here that I had no idea about - NALA, OLLIE, DUMONT - that is was very sloggy, apart from the themers once I eventually figured out the trick. Very unfun way to start Thanksgiving! But to everyone who is cooking or eating something special today, bon appetit!!! And, of course, Happy Birthday to Rex :)

Anonymous 7:24 AM  

and enjoy a ____lliiffee.

ChuckD 7:30 AM  

Not overly difficult for a Thursday - but a cool theme and really enjoyable solve. UNIX went right in and it was off to the races. Liked TIMES SIGN and FLIES SOLO down thru the themers. DUMONT was in the cobwebs somewhere - so the MOOSE logo cross gave a little side eye. ULNA again today. Very little glue in the grid - overall fill was so smooth.

Pouring rain here in NY and we’re limited in our get togethers today - but it’s a good day. Solving this puzzle was a good start. Happy and joyous Thanksgiving everyone.

amyyanni 7:40 AM  

Happy Birthday! Have a good day. Glad the puzzle gods sent you a fun one on your day. Happy Thanksgiving to all.

Lewis 7:49 AM  

On this gratitude day, and in this milieu, I am thankful for the regular commenters here, who have become family to me, for the pop-in commenters, who spice up the back-and-forth, for Rex’s wit and humor, and for his holding this space and keeping at it, for Arthur Wynne, who in 1913 invented the crossword, for Will Shortz, who put the focus on fun and wordplay, and for the constructors, who keep the pot simmering. I wish all a lovely holiday today and an exceptional year ahead!

bocamp 7:57 AM  

@Rex, Happy Happy! 🎂

Happy Thanksgiving!

@Nevelle, thx for the fun, long but short, Thurs! :)

Grokked the theme quickly and never looked back. Fast for a Thurs. The NW fell easily, and no major holdups along the way.

New: "ska" (as clued); "Dumont"; "CIA" (as clued); "moose"; "Ono" (as clued).

Hazy: "Anna"; "dojo"; "Anson".

Fav clues/answers: "soft g"; "romp"; "raises"; "ulna"; "Santa"; "pine"; "soon"; "time sign"; "fleas"; "endorses".

WOTD: guru

LOTD Sanskrit

"Eternal Father", The "Navy" Hymn

Sang in the choir, boot camp, San Diego '62
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-4

Peace Shanti Paz Gobble 🕊

Anonymous 8:11 AM  

My AHA moment came early and I was off to the races. The penny dropped after a few entries and I grokked the theme. The PPP was in my wheelhouse and there were other gimmes. It did not take a ttiimmee.

pabloinnh 8:11 AM  

One of those days when you knew the printed version would have the right edge cut off, eliminating numbers and parts of the clues, so I did it online. This being Thursday and all I was hoping for no rebopodes as I've read the problems that even tech people have entering things, and was glad that the letters were just two alike and in a row. Whew.

Once you get it, things become pretty easy, but getting it takes some time and is rewarding, which is what I want in a Thursday. Downside was ANNA, as granddaughter Emma was a lovely three-year old ANNA for Halloween, and now she's confined to VT per state rules. Even though VT is about a mile away. Well, at least we're all healthy.

Thanks for the fun, NF. You Fogarty boys have some talent. Really like the way John sings. Happy b-day to OFL, even though he (supposedly) never reads the comments, and happy t-day to everyone else. Much to be thankful for, mostly that a change is gonna come.

Z 8:26 AM  

@Joaquin - Perfect!

Just the right amount of tribute, in my opinion. A SANTA at the end of the parade and FEASTED and not a whole bunch of factoids.

Yesterday we got a puzzle with highish PPP and a ridiculously dense PPP corner that slowed people way down. Today, with a tricksy Thursday afoot, we got an uncommonly low 16 of 78 for 21%. How low is that? I use a chart rather than calculate the PPP every time and it starts at 15. Makes me PINE for a puzzle with zero, zilch, nada, PPP.

Happy Thanksgiving everyone.

Hungry Mother 8:28 AM  

Super-fast solve for a super-easy puzzle. I sorta liked the theme, but it was way too easy to fill-in. I’m thankful for puzzles and blogs that allow me hours of fun every morning of the year: doing SB to Genius level, the mini, NYT, and LAT. Many thanks to all concerned.

JJK 8:32 AM  

Happy Birthday, Rex! Fun puzzle for our Thanksgiving Day.

Joaquin 8:40 AM  

@pabloinnh (8:11) - You can still do today's puzzle on paper, despite the funky way it appears on your screen. Simply download the image to your desktop and print it from there. There's a download button next to the print button. Works great, giving you a nice size grid with clues on one 8.5 x 11 sheet.

Anonymous 8:49 AM  

TIMESSIGN? Whats that?

gurufateh 8:50 AM  

Happy Birthday and Happy Thanksgiving to you and your family

Debra 8:52 AM  

Happy birthday! I’m thankful for the nytimes puzzle—and for your critique of it.

M. Tables 8:55 AM  

Anonymous

5 X 5 = 25

25 is the product

X is the times sign that got you there.

Miss McGuiniss 8:57 AM  

No. The u in flute is not a long u. It is pronounced “ooo”, not “you”. Wake up.

pabloinnh 8:58 AM  

@Joaquin-Sort of tried that but the NYT said I didn't have the right app and so on and that seemed like it was going to be a pain so I decided I'd rather have my grievance. Thanks for the help anyway.

@Anon 8:49-That's a question for John X.

mathgent 9:07 AM  

@Joaquin (12:50). A suber, indeed. Where a rebus often has two letters in one square, this has one letter in two squares.

Jeff Chen notes that there have been previous subers but I don't remember ever having done one before.

I remember the Dumont network from the early days of TV. Jackie Gleason's Cavalcade of Stars started there before CBS bought it.

3D is TIMESSIGN reminding us that "product" is the technical term for the answer to a multiplication. There are two TIMESIGNs, an x and a raised dot.

I liked this one a lot. Happy that I did it on paper.

Bill 9:08 AM  

Happy birthday!! You, coffee and the crossword are an integral part of my mornings.

Twangster 9:08 AM  

Funny that Rex posted a link to a Ray Davies solo song today and it's not "Thanksgiving Day." Here it is in case anyone wants to hear a holiday tune:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yD2PXEue-Jw

SBenoit339 9:09 AM  

Anyone else feel that "toon" is somehow a disrespectful term for an animated character?

Sixthstone 9:11 AM  

Pretty fun puzzle. I only wish one themer was more thirst-quenching: IISSLLAANNDDIICCEEDDTTEEAA.

TTrimble 9:14 AM  

Happy Birthday to Rex, and Happy Thanksgiving! We will have FEASTED by this time tomorrow. Hopefully not to the point where we MOAN.

Not especially difficult for a Thursday, but fun. Hand up for trying quEASY first, but happily that didn't last LONG. Hand up also for trying DUpONT before DUMONT, which is from before my time. I liked the cluing for GELDS.

Nothing at all wrong with NATANT, although it's not a word I have a lot of use for. Reminds me of this outfit called wordgenius.com whose email list I somehow got onto and that I've just unsubscribed from. It's terrible. You will not learn to use newly acquired words competently by following their descriptions (which even seem to get parts of speech mixed up), and you certainly won't make any new friends either. Stay well away.

I don't remember a single thing about Potsie (ANSON Williams) except that he seemed the blandest of the bunch. What distinguishing features did he have? Did he have any special talents?

kitshef 9:19 AM  

SSTTOORRY short, I loved it.

SANTA MOAN PINE feels like the nucleus of an unfortunate Christmas story.

Proximity of MOOSE and FAWN got me thinking … MOOSE are a type of deer, so why do we call their young a calf, rather than a fawn? And why do we call the adults bulls and cows, rather than bucks and does? For some reason, they get cattle terminology instead of deer terminology.

kitshef 9:21 AM  

**alphadoppeltotter alert**

@Lewis, I make it 33:

oLLie
VV OO WW EE LL
aDD
II SS LL AA NN DD
hoFFa
WW II NN DD EE DD
JJ OO HH NN SS
sOOn
knEE
timeSSign
mOOse
lOOs
aNNa
flieSSolo
tOOn

KnittyContessa 9:27 AM  

Happy Birthday Rex!

I solved it online so at first I thought the theme had something to do with doubles not long. That made zero sense in connection with the clues but all the letters were doubled so I was very confused. After successfully solving the theme answers transformed into an expanded version. You think they would be able to accurately depict the puzzle online the way it's seen in print.

Happy Thanksgiving everyone!

StevieO 9:28 AM  

no

albatross shell 9:38 AM  

@Miss M.
Well 'ooo' looks pretty long. And doesn't sound like Ott.

Alexander 9:42 AM  

When completed, the iOS app changed the screen to stretched out words: https://i.imgur.com/88rYLN7.jpg

Max 9:44 AM  

Although dictionaries vary, I don’t consider a tilde an accent. It is sometimes a diacritical mark, but in Spanish the n with a tilde is a completely different character—not an n pronounced differently

Nancy 9:55 AM  

Marvelous!

I was UNEASY when I first looked at the grid. Weirdness -- grotesquerie, even -- in a grid does that to me. But there were two separate "Aha Moments that had me thinking my "ordeal" was completely over:

*First, when I realized that the same letter went in each stretched-out space.
*Second, when I realized that the revealer word was LONG.

Everything now fell into place, right? Almost, but not quite...

A big problem in the NW where dATE (1A) went nicely with daRt (for "whiz") at 1D. I was wondering, though, why an air traveler wouldn't already know the DATE of his own flight. Strange. Finally thought to change the pair to GATE/GURU.

My downfall was pOOSE at 52D. I couldn't figure out a way to change it. ONO and LONG JOHNS and OASIS and SMELT and UNJAM and DUpONT were all correct. I was so sure. I remembered DUpONT so well from our first 11-inch Emerson TV. It then became Channel 5 and later Fox. At least I think it did. This all happened circa 65 years ago and I can barely remember what I ate for dinner last night.

What to make of POOSE??? I figured it had to be 'POOSE for papoose, so I put down my pen and called this wonderful puzzle "Solved!"

Only it wasn't.

Uconnjack8 10:06 AM  

Can someone explain 64 down to me? How is "sew" the answer to Darn, darn, darn?

Lewis 10:08 AM  

@kitshef -- I stand corrected, thank you, and the new total -- it's like when Bob Beamon broke the world long jump record by 23 inches, 23 inches!, in the 1968 Olympics.

Rube 10:15 AM  

Solid puzzle with one massive flaw.
FLUTE dies not contain a long vowel. It dies not rhyme with Joe oesci suddenly resurrected pronunciation of "youth" or a player for the univ of Utah football team. Those are long u sounds. FLUTE is pronounced similarly to Boop and Froot Loops.
May I suggest XYLOPHONE instead

burtonkd 10:15 AM  

Happy Thanksgiving all and Happy Birthday to Rex! Just realized my wife is writing Thanksgiving emails to people we know IRL, while I'm writing on this blog; you all must mean something to me:)
@ unknown 9:08, Exactly!
@ SBenoit339, make sure not to watch Roger Rabbit if you're not kidding about "toon"
@ Lewis, your daily positivity reminds me that hope springs eternal. I think of your posts as daily APHORISMS, which reminds me that SAWS, is not such a great synonym in my mind in that it one has a positive and the other a negative connotation.
I thought of UNIX and ULNA immediately, but hesitated on both.
Was the DUMONT network related to Margaret Dumont from the Marx brothers films?
SPAYS before GELDS, both a slightly unpleasant aftertaste for breakfast.

Anonymous 10:15 AM  

Rabbits are bucks and does, too. Newborns are kittens or kits.

Xcentric 10:33 AM  

Enjoyed the gimmick. The double V slowed me down at first, but once I saw the doubling further along and finally got vvoowweellss, put it together with long vowels the rest was cake. Loved needle maker/pine.
Thankful today for such a wonderful community of crossword enthusiasts that share the joys and frustrations of solving and for Rex’s explanations of some of the more obscure themes (some of which I would never have grokked without guidance).
Also thankful for a change at the top, the promise of a vaccine, and the hope that we might finally be seeing the light at the end of the tunnel.
Maybe I can rebook that trip to Europe that was cancelled in May for 2022 :)
Wishing everyone on this blog a happy, peaceful Thanksgiving!

Camilita 10:35 AM  

It's been my pet peeve since I started these that Will Shortz likes to clue AGITA as anxiety. In my experience, using and hearing this word, almost every day of my life, it doesn't mean that. QUEASY was a much better answer.
I've been told I'm wrong here and on Wordplay because Anxiety as a meaning of AGITA is in the dictionary. My theory on that is that a few times some reporters used the word incorrectly, and therefore it became "in the language" so this is why it's in the dictionary. There was a headline: Wall Street has Agita or something like that.
I get it, something deviates from its original meaning and becomes part of the spoken language so the meaning changes and this puts it in the dictionary.
Except I think with this word, Anxiety as its meaning IS NOT an in-the-language usage, except very rarely, by people making a mistake. And Will Shortz seems fixated on this rarely used meaning.
Why Will prefers this definition over the more common one is my pet peeve. I knew when I saw the clue that it was to be a synonym for anxiety and not acid indigestion or aggravation, due to this NYTXW obsession of anxiety as its meaning.
AGITA as an answer has been clued anxiety or anxiousness the last few times. I can't look it up because for some reason Xwordinfo is asking me for a password to see the database.
This whole issue gives me massive agita, speaking of which, it's time for my agita pill.

Anonymous 10:39 AM  

since when does anyone pronounce FLUTE like cute? eh?

Anonymous 10:43 AM  

It’s the “x” in a math problem. 3x4=7. The “product”.

Anonymous 10:44 AM  

I guess OFL and I are in-laws thrice removed. My first wife's birthday is almost today (it's tomorrow). But happy birthday, anyway.

What? 10:46 AM  

Amen. The real puzzle is why it was liked by so many.

Marco Polo 10:48 AM  

Spot on. Thanks for saying so.

Unknown 10:54 AM  

It took me a while to grok the theme, even though I grew up on Long Island . . . .

I appreciated the level of difficulty (par for a Thursday), and again, while rex labelled this easy-medium, the fact that he did not reveal his finish time tells us it was actually a bit tougher than that . . . .

I thought he would not care for today's puz, -- let's face it, there wasn't a whole lot of sizzle to it -- but as soon as I saw that he really really likes the constructor, all bets are off.

In the spirit of thanksgiving, we all owe a big thanks to Will Shortz and the many many constructors who design these puzzles and give us all a little respite from the craziness of America in 2020. Cheers!

Whatsername 10:55 AM  

Something, a Thursday with a little twist. I liked it a lot. There were no notes or instructions on my printed copy but I didn’t really need any help to figure out the trick. Nicely done.

Shelley LONG is IMO a rather underrated actress. She was always outstanding on TV in Cheers and very good in comedic film roles. I loved her in The Money Pit with Tom Hanks and Outrageous Fortune with Bette Midler.

No doubt by this evening there will be many of us who have FEASTED to the point of needing to MOAN in misery, but good food is the order of the day. That and being thankful for simple pleasures like a satisfying crossword puzzle. Happy birthday @Rex and to all the rest, I wish a pleasant and peaceful Thanksgiving holiday.

Carola 10:57 AM  

The puzzle added a welcome dollop of "happy" to my Thanksgiving morning. The theme was easy to see - well, once I got the idea at ISLANDER - but still required a just-right amount of mental exercise to complete. Loved the cluing.

Thank you, @Neville Fogarty. In terms of treats, this was the perfect starting bookend to my day, which will be matched at the end with pecan bars + ice cream and whipped cream (maintaining Dairy State standards).

Newboy 11:00 AM  

HAPPY HAPPY JOY JOY as the TOON said. Hope others feasted on this grid as I did. I read the note but wish I hadn’t as that gave TOO much help. Did get a giggle when 71A became obvious—one of those “trick” answers that cause chagrin but in a new light. Thought the central FEASTED was especially nice for 2020, a year that will live in infamy as HST’s predecessor might have observed. Today we’re all thankful for FaceTime & Zoom and the weary warriors on duty in hospitals, food banks and neighborhood patrols around the country. We will get through the year and our oversized turkeys in the gloomy days ahead. In the meantime, I am grateful for constructors and commentariat and Rex and, yes, even Will Shortz. May your day hold many blessings and seconds of dressing.

jberg 11:01 AM  

I went for pOOSE at first too; fortunately, my wife remembered the network.

Fun theme, but kind of a one-trick pony. I had to get two of them to be sure they were all “long,” rather than various synonyms, but then it was a breeze.

I did think LONG VOWEL and SHORT G were too much of the letter thing.

A GURU is not the same as a whiz, but I guess it’s ok for crosswords; and I happen to be wearing short sleeves, so the clue for ULNA didn’t work for me.

Happy Birthday, Rex, and Happy Thanksgiving, everyone!

Nancy 11:13 AM  

@Joaquin -- I like your clever SUBER quip so much that I took the liberty of sharing it with the Wordplay Blog commentariat just now. Giving you full credit, of course.

@Whatsername -- I imagine that "Outrageous Fortune" is a movie that fewer then 10% of the people here have ever seen -- but it's one of the most hilarious movies ever made. Highly recommended -- especially in these stressful and difficult times.

After a gloomy, rainy morning in NYC, the sun has just come out. A nice and welcome surprise. Happy Thanksgiving, everyone -- with hopes for a much better year ahead for us all.

Joe Dipinto 11:15 AM  

– X –

Oh c'mon get real, @Rex. Nobody enjoys remembering Potsie from "Happy Days". (And if he's your bff, how come you don't know how to spell his name?)

This was great. Very ambitious and it works wonderfully. Must've been a trip to proofread the number layout in the grid. A kvetch: I don't think a TILDE is an "accent". But, oh look, the very first dictionary to come up on Google does. The ones after that, not really...

Neville BBOOTTTTOOMM is a character in the Harry Potter books. Mr. Fogarty should have worked him into the theme for a full meta experience.

Have a jazzy Thanksgiving!

Anonymous 11:18 AM  

where are you seeing notes? in the print version? app and nyt website don't have any notes for me

burtonkd 11:20 AM  

@Uconnjack8,
Think of darning a pair of socks, which is sewing them to mend them.

Tom K. 11:20 AM  

Made me laugh. Thanks.

Malsdemare 11:27 AM  

@Lewis "plus there was a puppy" says it all.

Happy Thanksgiving, everyone. And happy birthday, Rex.

Malsdemare 11:29 AM  

Oops, that should have been @Frantic. My bad (and apologies)!

Quarantined 11:36 AM  

totally spot on. this was a pretty mediocre puzzle with a somewhat interesting theme that was not very fun to solve.

Sami 11:37 AM  

I got stuck with a Tgiving Goose and almost had a one-letter DNF, but I googled for DuMont. So sue me. In prison, where it is very easy to file for Unemployment, apparently.

Hope Rex is having a happy Turkey Day (Tday) Bday -- I wish you happy timessigns returns.

Inspirational Quote: @Uconnjack8 I am sorry, it is sew obvious that to sew is to darn, repeatedly etc. I hope you are now saying, "Well, I'll be darned!"

Coming up on 40 days streak. I hope that no one's uneasy or queasy after their feast tonite. Hope all the snobs get snug in this puz, which was for me the very best ever, except for being hopelessly at the outset. I love solving in my creepy crawly method. I killed 2 completely good hours perusing this, in my little house in the pines. Which definitely produce needles you cannot do a darn thing with.

relicofthe60s 11:49 AM  

So an annoying puzzle is fine if Rex personally likes the constructor? Got it. And I’m pretty sure Shelley Long is most “famed” for “Cheers,” not for some movie that I for one have never heard of.

Whatsername 12:05 PM  

@Nancy: Re Outrageous Fortune, I agree. Bette Midler is a treasure, and George Carlin to boot.

bocamp 12:06 PM  

Print version (long cells) make more sense visually.

Write-overs: "ewe"; "tra"; "dodos" LOL

Love the word "natant", mainly because seeing it so many times in the puzzle, I've finally got it down pat; dropped it in with no crosses. Also, good to know for SB.

@Joaquin 12:50 AM

Slow on the uptake I am; finally grokked "suber" after reading all the comments. Apt and well put! :)

@Monty Boy 2:46 AM

The NYT app for iPad didn't stretch the themer cells (nor was there the obligatory note in the comments). Nevertheless, it's always fun to suss these Thurs. novelties out, so no harm no foul. LOL

@Twangster 9:08 AM

Thx for the "Thanksgiving Day" - Ray Davies Link.

@Alexander 9:42 AM

Thx for the link. Unfortunately the iOS NYT app on both my iPad and iPhone doesn't do the trick. Both are running the latest version of iOS; ah, the mysteries of cyberspace. LOL. One good thing, tho: I like the way you used "Imgur" to post a link to your jpg, so I set up an acct. My first attempt here.
___

Neville & Jeff's comments at XWord Info: here.

Ben Smith's comments at Diary of a Crossword Fiend: here.


Peace Shanti Paz Gobble 🕊

Masked and Anonymous 12:13 PM  

Cool theme idea, even if it was a strettcch.

staff weeject pick: TWO (LONG).

M&A is Thank-full for @RP and his blogsite … for The Shortzmeister and his siftin thru Lord knows how many puzs to get us to the cream of this here crop … for all U great and funny Comment Gallery folks … for a non-Trump Era … for our good health (keep it up) … for 7 U's today.

Thannx, Mr. Fogarty dude. Good job. Liked the SANTA appearance.

Masked & Anonym007Us

p.s. Very Happy Birthday, @RP. May all yer fondest wishes come true. I won't even re-mention, that it's Turkey Day. har


**gruntz**

Anonymous 12:28 PM  

in the IT world, and technology generally, a whiz at the subject was (less so these days) called a GURU. I suppose because s/he was expected to guide the lesser brains to nirvana.

Anonymous 12:47 PM  

I absolutely hated this puzzle. At least as of last night, the app didn't offer any information regarding the appearance of the puzzle in print which made solving around the double letter clues tedious and often baffling; at least as bad as sunday's and I'd argue even worse given that there were fewer opportunities to understand the theme. It didn't help that the first clue starts with two V's so I thought maybe the theme had something to do with W being split in two like in "The VVitch". After solving the entire thing the puzzle appeared with the double letters appearing as one large one, which was weird.

John Windle 12:54 PM  

Ditto

Anoa Bob 1:01 PM  

Gotta agree with those who disagree with TILDE (12D) being clued as an accent mark. As I recall from long-ago classes at SDSU (Go Aztecs!), Spanish has regular pronunciation rules determining which syllable of a word gets the accent/stress and when there's an exception to the rule, it is indicated by placing an accent mark over the syllable that would otherwise not be stressed.

A TILDE, however, doesn't change the stress/unstressed syllable pattern. It indicates a completely different letter of the alphabet. Think about the difference between AÑO (year) and ANO (anus). It's similar to the difference in English between the letter O and Q, what with that squiggly mark at the bottom of the O being sort of like an upside down TILDE.

¡Feliz día de acción de gracias a todos compañeras y compañeros de las crucigramas!

John Windle 1:01 PM  

Thanks I was baffled too! Still don’t really get it!

Crimson Devil 1:06 PM  

What bo said: anon, soft g, guru, timessign, ulna, pine—-all good.
Otherwise puz rather tortuous.

RooMonster 1:20 PM  

Hey All !
Gobble Gobble Gobble! (Cousin of Darn Darn Darn...)
Don't gobble so much today that you can't move!

Went to print out the puz today, and the printable version had the two-space non-line grid. But, had a bit of time before leaving for work, so did online, which had no note, and a regular grid. Weird. It did transmogrify the finished grid into Looong letters after completion. My grid looked like Rex's doubled up letters.

Interesting theme, but sorta seemed out of place on Thursday, as in not a tricky enough thing to be a ThursPuz. Maybe I'm wrong. (Probably...)

Happy Giving Thanks Day, eat, drink, watch Football. (No Steelers though, postponed till Sunday.)

Four F's (with an FF!)
RooMonster
DarrinV

Aketi 1:22 PM  

Happy Thanksgiving everyone and Happy birthday @Rex. Got the LONG concept quickly and of course thought of @Lewis. Too bad there were no DUO Us for @M&A, just TWO Ws, which could, I suppose, be interpreted as quadruple Us.

Whatsername 1:50 PM  

@Nancy: Another very funny movie if you’ve never seen it is Ruthless People. No Shelley Long but Bette Midler is an absolute hoot with Danny DeVito as a married couple who can’t stand each other.

Unknown 2:23 PM  

Saw?

Richie Cunningham 2:28 PM  

@TTrimble 9:14: Yes, Potsie had enormous talent. He sang in my band.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14t0dNR62C8

chefwen 2:32 PM  

I am in the minority on this one, really did not care for it al all, but I did want to pop in and wish all a Happy Thanksgiving and to Rex a very Happy Birthday!

DaTodd 2:42 PM  

Came for the eeiigghhtteenntthh cceennttuurryy humor, left disappointed.

Z 2:43 PM  

@SBenoit339 - I just can’t get too animated about TOON cluing.

@TTrimble - Potsie’s special talent was being the blandest. Not an easy thing to pull off.

@Giovanni - re:AGITA - My dictionary lists “indigestion” as the first meaning and “nervousness” as in AGITAtion as the second definition.

The official royal institution for the Spanish language considers TILDE an accent. If Wikipedia has this correct that is because TILDE is the Spanish equivalent for the general term “accent” in English.

@pabloinnh - re:printing the puzzle - Do you have an app that reads pdfs? On my computer I use the Firefox web browser. I go to the NYTX website. I click the print icon (I don’t open the puzzle) and select “newspaper version.” This will open a pdf of the puzzle in a different tab. I don’t print this version because it clips the edges. Instead I click the download button which brings up a dialog box which allows me to either save the file or open with my default pdf reader (Preview). I open it in Preview and print this version, which is a faithful copy of what appears in the paper. The steps look a little different but are essentially the same in Safari, Chrome, and Opera web browsers.
This doesn’t take that long to do, may 10 seconds, but the New Yorker and WaPo puzzles are easier to print (well, aside from WaPo making even subscribers watch that stupid ad every time).

Uconnjack8 3:01 PM  

Thank you

Monty Boy 3:18 PM  

@bocamp 12:06 and others: I solve on a MacBook which gave the stretched letters. Odd that macOS and iOS do it differently.

bertoray 3:33 PM  

@Frantic Sloth call me goofy too. What a nice cherry on top of a tasty puzzle.
@OFL Happy Birthday!
@Everybody Have a warm loving safe Thanksgiving.

kitshef 3:42 PM  

Strongly seconding @Whatsername's recommendation of Ruthless People. Funny, and with a very clever plot. Judge Reinhold and Helen Slater are in it, too. Not many will remember this, but Helen Slater has an album called "Crossword".

Joaquin 3:54 PM  

@Nancy (11:13) - Thanks for the props both here and at Wordplay. I appreciate it!

Hope your TG is, was, and continues to be fulfilling in all the ways possible.

egsforbreakfast 4:01 PM  

One square says to the other, “Let’s get together in a puzzle.”

Other square says “Sure, we’d be long. Flip a coin to see if we walk or call a ride share service”.

First square, after flipping, “ ‘Suber.”

Happy Thanksgiving all.

bocamp 4:49 PM  

@Monty Boy 3:18 PM

No worries, Mate; got the job done on the iPad. A zero-sum game: gained an extra level of difficulty, lost the cool visual effect. I couldn't find a NYT x-word app for my MacBook Air, so opened the puzzle directly from the NYT website and was able to view my finished puzzle there, with @Joaquin's "suber" cells. Very nice!

@Z 2:43 PM

Appreciated your instructions on how to print the puzzle from the website. Worked line a charm, everything fitting nicely onto one page, and without pinched borders.
___

-2

Peace Shanti Paz Gobble 🦃

Unknown 5:49 PM  

Agree 100%. A particularly lame gimmick that Rex would normally lambaste mercilessly.

Ben 10:17 AM  

I'm still mystified by 21 down, "Lead-in to la". I want SO, as in do-re-mi. But SOL?? What an I missing?

thefogman 11:12 AM  

Rex shouldn’t be so NEG about this one. Maybe it isn’t 100% compatible with the app version but it’s a beauty done the old-timey way. Never mind the prrecious nano seconds. Put away the laptop, Pick up a pencil and an eraser (do you actually need one? :-) ) and enjoy puzzles the way they were meant to be played.

Burma Shave 11:39 AM  

LONG SOFT MOAN

SANTA felt a bit UNEASY
as Mrs. SANTA FAWNs,
and RAISES from her KNEEs, see,
from a ROMP in his LONG JOHNS.

--- OLLIE DUMONT

rondo 11:51 AM  

@Ben it is not SO, it is SOL. Common crossword fare and the actual scale syllable.

Kinda got the trick right away thanks to NAVYBLUE crossing 2 of 'em.

How about if everybody RAISES a couple of LONG ISLAND Ice Teas? For sure won't make it until midnight.

Not gonna be LONG WINDED today. Happy New Year to all!

Burma Shave 11:58 AM  

LONG SOFT MOAN

SANTA felt a bit UNEASY
as Mrs. SANTA FAWNs,
and RAISES from her KNEEs, see,
from a ROMP in his LONG JOHNS.

--- OLLIE DUMONT

spacecraft 12:37 PM  

Had to put on my thinking cap for this one. Doing the print version, I got the double-wide thing right away; the "LONG" didn't dawn on me till WINDED. Ah, now the first two themers make more sense. The revealer seems an afterthought.

To me, NATANT is fine compared to SOFTG. "Grrr" starts with a hard one. I wouldn't dream of bucking the constructor by naming anyone but Shelley LONG as DOD. Enjoyed the Thursday brain calisthenics. Birdie.

Diana, LIW 1:53 PM  

Even LOX couldn't save this one for me.

Lady Di

Happy New Year!!!

leftcoaster 5:39 PM  

Got the VVOOWWEELL gimmick early and the other LONG longs later.

For much of that time, found the TWO- and DUO-letter gimmickry to be a distraction.

An inexcusable error: Not dealing cleanly with the obvious SOFTG in the NE fill (wanted wELDS instead of GELDS and cOW instead of SOW). DOH! and double DOH!!

But, with that, liked it.



leftcoaster 8:00 PM  

@Unkown 9:08 AM way above: Same here.

leftcoaster 8:20 PM  

Oh, and Happy New Year to all syndies!

Anonymous 8:42 PM  

3x4=7??? Not much of a product...

Unknown 6:37 PM  

My sister-in-law is Suber, a painter. LOL
(She has not had any museum showings)

Unknown 6:40 PM  

My wife and I do the New York Times crossword at lunch lunch every day !
I do sports and spellings, lol. She does mysteries and foods.

Unknown 6:42 PM  

Love this puzzle!

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