Spanx founder Blakely / THU 11-20-25 / Cubing needs / Like an S-Tier video game character / Pixel alternative / Vesper Lynd portrayer in "Casino Royale" / Duds in bed? / "Hail," in Latin / Niihau neighbor / Video game customization, informally / Levi's Stadium player, informally / "Star Wars" character originally portrayed by a puppet that weighed over a ton / Dish that creates an explosion of rich flavors, in modern parlance

Thursday, November 20, 2025

Constructor: Adam Wagner

Relative difficulty: far too easy


THEME: ODD MAN OUT (57A: He doesn't belong ... or a hint to the circled letters in 16-, 23-, 36-, 38- and 48-Across) — in five long Across answers, circled squares appear in "odd"-numbered squares (1st 3rd 5th or 3rd 5th 7th) and contain a "man"'s name. You have to take that man's name "out" to make sense of the clue:

Theme answers:
  • SKINDIVES (16A: Cubing needs — remove "SID," get KNIVES)
  • BETTEDAYS (23A: Turns on — remove "TED," get BETRAYS)
  • AMBIENT (36A: Make, as money — remove "ABE," get MINT)
  • STARMAP (38A: Ensnare — remove "SAM," get TRAP)
  • DAMNELIES (48A: Fops — remove "MEL," get DANDIES)
Word of the Day: S-tier (18A: Like an S-Tier video game character) —

tier list is a concept originating in video game culture where playable characters or other in-game elements are subjectively ranked by their respective viability as part of a list. Characters listed high on a tier list of a specific game are considered to be powerful characters compared to lower-scoring characters, and are therefore more likely to be used in high-level competitive settings like tournaments.

Tier lists are a popular method of classifying the cast of playable characters in fighting games such as the Tekken and Super Smash Bros. series; multiplayer online battle arena titles such as League of Legends and Dota series; hero shooter titles such as Overwatch and Apex Legends; and action role-playing games with playable party members like Genshin Impact. [...] 

Tier rankings may use letter grades. The competitive community surrounding Guilty Gear Xrd, for instance, ranks characters as 'S', 'S-', 'A+', and 'A', where 'S tiers' are particularly powerful and 'A tiers' less so.[3] Major video game news websites such as The Daily DotKotaku and PC Gamer have published their own tier lists for popular games. 'S' tier may stand for "special", "super", or the Japanese word for "exemplary" (shū), and originates from the widespread use in Japanese culture of an 'S' grade for advertising and academic grading. (wikipedia)
• • •

The concept here is fine, but despite some colorful long Downs, it played dull for me. I think there were two things blunting what should be an exciting Thursday experience. The first was unclued answers. It was somewhat fun to suss these out, I guess, but the answers that get clued, the Odd Man-removed answers, are blah. Shorter, plainer, with not terribly interesting clues. Cluing the shorter answers meant having a far less lively clue set for the themers. Hard to do much when your actual theme answers are KNIVES, BETRAYS, MINT, STRAP and DANDIES—they're all fine answers, but they aren't exactly novel or sparkling, and the cluing was perfectly straightforward, so yes, you had to work your way around those circled squares, I guess, but the actual clue/answer pairings were hohum. That hohum-ness was intensified by the ridiculously easy quality of the puzzle as a whole. PJS to PSST and on and on with almost no resistance. Figuring out how to handle those circled squares was by far the hardest part of the puzzle, and it wasn't hard. 


I had very brief trouble with ELITE (forgot what "S-tier" meant), SARA (the inventor of Spanx is a thing I'm supposed to know?) and kindasorta EVA GREEN (53A: Vesper Lynd portrayer in "Casino Royale")—actually, I didn't struggle there because most of her letters were filled in before I looked at the clue. But I would have struggled a little if that hadn't been true. Too many short, overfamiliar, crosswordy answers (PSST SOP ELI SEL POR PSAT AVRIL RIRI ALIT NINER EGADS LEONE ANAL ... ESTERS and ESTEE? yeesh...) took the fun (and challenge) out of this one. And yet the theme itself is very clever, conceptually—neatly executed—and those long Downs are nothing to sneeze at—really nice culinary symmetry on SPICE RUBS and UMAMI BOMB. So there were things to like, and things to not like. My main feeling while solving was one of nostalgia for a time when puzzles used to be challenging on a regular basis. I've been solving for a long time and I've been good at solving for a long time, and the difficulty drop is definitely a real thing. I'm not getting better. I'm too old and underpracticed to be getting "better." My skills are probably declining. And yet I'm stomping on Thursdays like they're nothing. It's not great.


Bullets:
  • 1A: Duds in bed? (PJS) — a transparent clue, yes, but a good one. Clue on SPICE RUBS, also good (3D: Dry seasons?)
  • 26A: "Hail," in Latin ("AVE!") — I think I prefer this as a map abbr. But maybe putting it in Latin was some feeble attempt to toughen the grid up. In Latin, "AVE!" is "Hail!" and "VALE!" is "farewell" (hence the term "valedictorian"—one who says farewell (at graduation)) (this comes up every semester when I teach Donne's "A Valediction: Forbidding Mourning" and inevitably most people have not bothered to look up what "valediction" means—protip for understanding poetry: know what the words in the poem mean!)
As virtuous men pass mildly away,
   And whisper to their souls to go,
Whilst some of their sad friends do say
   The breath goes now, and some say, No:

So let us melt, and make no noise,
   No tear-floods, nor sigh-tempests move;
'Twere profanation of our joys
   To tell the laity our love.

Moving of th' earth brings harms and fears,
   Men reckon what it did, and meant;
But trepidation of the spheres,
   Though greater far, is innocent.

Dull sublunary lovers' love
   (Whose soul is sense) cannot admit
Absence, because it doth remove
   Those things which elemented it.

But we by a love so much refined,
   That our selves know not what it is,
Inter-assured of the mind,
   Care less, eyes, lips, and hands to miss.

Our two souls therefore, which are one,
   Though I must go, endure not yet
A breach, but an expansion,
   Like gold to airy thinness beat.

If they be two, they are two so
   As stiff twin compasses are two;
Thy soul, the fixed foot, makes no show
   To move, but doth, if the other do.

And though it in the center sit,
   Yet when the other far doth roam,
It leans and hearkens after it,
   And grows erect, as that comes home.

Such wilt thou be to me, who must,
   Like th' other foot, obliquely run;
Thy firmness makes my circle just,
   And makes me end where I begun. (poetryfoundation.org)
  • 47A: Video game customization, informally (MOD) — this puzzle was so easy that even two (2) video game clues didn't faze me.
  • 35D: Pixel alternative (IPAD) — I really thought the Pixel was a phone. So many insufferable pre-movie ads featuring Pixel and iPhone having adventures together... Yep, the Pixel is a smartphone. An IPAD is ... not? I'm obviously missing something here. Don't bother to fill me in, it's fine.
  • 56A: They may be threaded (BROWS) — forgot this was a thing. Wow, it turns out I had no clear idea what eyebrow-threading actually is:
In threading, a thin cotton or polyester thread is doubled, then twisted. It is then rolled over areas of unwanted hair, plucking the hair at the follicle level. Unlike tweezing, where single hairs are pulled out one at a time, threading can remove short rows of hair.

Advantages cited for eyebrow threading, as opposed to eyebrow waxing, include that it provides more precise control in shaping eyebrows, and that it is gentler on the skin. A disadvantage is that it can be painful, as several hairs are removed at once; however, it can be minimized if done correctly, i.e. with the right pressure.

  • 33D: Dish that creates an explosion of rich flavors, in modern parlance (UMAMI BOMB) — I enjoyed this answer, even though I'm not sure how widespread this "modern parlance" is. Maybe you hear it on cooking shows (which I don't watch)? Whatever, it was inferable to me and I'm sure I've heard it before and it's the freshest answer in the grid, so thumbs up.
That's all. See you next time.

Signed, Rex Parker, King of CrossWorld

P.S. This coming Tuesday at 7:00PM there's a book launch event for Across the Universe: The Past, Present, and Future of the Crossword Puzzle by Natan Last. It takes place at Judson Memorial Church in NYC and features Natan in conversation with writer Doreen St. Félix. You can find more information and RSVP here. You can read an excerpt from Natan's book at The Nation right now—keep an eye out for familiar names ... ;)


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100 comments:

Bob Mills 5:55 AM  

Figured out the theme from the revealer for once, so it became a fairly easy solve once I got SAM (and not "Sal") for the last man's name. Needed only an alphabet run for the UMAMIBOMB/MOD cross. Personally, I'd avoid any food associated with a UMAMIBOMB. What an unappetizing word!

Conrad 5:55 AM  


I found it a bit more challenging than OFL did: Medium until I got the gimmick at 23A, Easy after that. I realized that the circled letters spelled men's names but needed the revealer (57A) to make sense of that. Never realized that the circled squares were all odd numbers until I came here.

Overwrites:
BoArd (as in chessboard) before hEAtH before BEACH for the 4A castle place
I'm no gardener. I considered mUmS before BUDS for the spring signs at 4D. But even I know that mums are a fall thing. And mums didn't cross with any of my 4A answers.
KATie before KATEY for Ms. Sagal at 11D
At 16A, before I understood the theme I wanted 3-letter types of KNIVES
Since a 3-letter summer cooler is almost always an ade, FAN at 53D almost made me take out FIN at 52A

One WOE, EVA GREEN at 53A

KMcCloskey 5:57 AM  

I’ve only ever encountered “umami bomb” as a term form ingredients used to add umami to recipes, not to refer to entire dishes — i.e. Tamari, marmite, miso, fish sauce

Anonymous 6:20 AM  

Thanks for the Donne. A favorite.

JJK 6:43 AM  

I didn’t enjoy this one and found it harder than Rex did, although in retrospect it seems easier than it felt while solving. I didn’t get the theme till the end, so the whole experience felt a little bit like being covered by a blanket and trying to fight my way out.

Gaming culture is not only outside my wheelhouse but also just completely uninteresting to me. I guess it’s in puzzles to stay but it really takes some of the pleasure of solving away.

Andy Freude 6:49 AM  

A somewhat easy Thursday, yes, but not a problem today, since I could simultaneously help Mrs. Freude find the Connections. (I get Wordle and the crossword, she gets Connections and Spelling Bee. Each of us occasionally helps the other. One of the secrets to our happy marriage.)

I agree with KMcCloskey that an UMAMI BOMB is an ingredient, not an entire dish. Still, happy to see that fun term in the puzzle today.

And always a delight to meet up with the ODE to Joy.

SouthsideJohnny 7:14 AM  

I saw SEL, POR, ITO and AVRIL and was getting worried that we wouldn’t be quizzed in Latin today. It looks like Will may have realized the same thing and changed the clue for AVE at the last minute (c’mon Will - repurposing an English word to meet your quota is kind of a MINOR TEAM move, either go big or go home).

I fared reasonably well considering that I don’t know any of the actors (except for MR T), the video game clues and of course the copious foreign stuff. I saw that the theme answers looked bizarre and headed straight to the reveal, which fortunately I got with just a few crosses. So a weird kind of a solve for me today in that I got the theme answers but struggled with the AMBIENT fill, which is pretty much the opposite of a standard Thursday for me. I do give myself a gold star for discerning the theme though, as it is something that I have been focusing on.

kitshef 7:24 AM  

Did not work at all for me. If you are going to remove the odd letters, you need to remove all of them, not just three selected at random.

Theme should have been sent back for a re-think. Fill is fine, and there are some nice clues (esp. "Dry seasons"), and only one WoE (EVA GREEN).

I would have preferred a Lavigne clue for AVRIL, and even without it I hoped Rex would give us a video. I guess it's up to me

Lewis 7:35 AM  

Random thoughts:

• Much schwa di vivre in answer endings – ULTRA, SARA, JABBA, DEBRA, EVITA, EUREKA, ANITA, ATTA.
• Love UMAMI BOMB, though I’ve never heard it in the wild.
• My favorite NYT answer debuts – and there were six – are JOKES ON ME and BITING WIT. I’m amazed that these terrific answers have never appeared before.
• For a while, as I was solving, I wondered if the three-letter theme names all belonged to some famous group of stars from the past, like the Rat Pack.
• I like the behemoth JABBA sitting atop the revealer, pressing that ODD MAN OUT.
• AMBIENT evokes crossword stalwart Eno.
• [Place for a castle] stymied me for quite a few beats, and is a lovely original clue for an answer that has appeared nearly 60 times in the major crossword outlets.

So, lovely little side trips for me on top of your clever concept, Adam. Thank you for this!

Lewis 7:37 AM  

Possible adorable theme answer involving this adorable puzzle's maker:

GR(A)N(D)P(A)S(M)URF

Anonymous 7:43 AM  

Disagree out the Latin word AVE being tricky. Any Catholic would get that one instantly!

RooMonster 7:53 AM  

Hey All!
How to I get a book launch? Need to get my novel, Changing Times out there! If you'd like it, go to wherever you get your books online and search Darrin Vail.

Interesting puz. The MAN added answers are real things, which is nice, but ODD things. SKIN DIVES? Heard of it, kinda, unsure what it means. BETTER DAYS is, well, better. AMBIENT and STAR MAP are OK. DAMNED LIES is on the odder side, yes a thing, but a specialized thing that sounds like it's scripted. Just sayin'.

Wasn't an auto-fill easy puz for me, had some bite to it. Some nice cluing in here, PJS one comes to mind.

RIRI went through RERA, RERE, RERI, RIRI. Sheesh. Had BoltS for BROWS. Also read clue for 48A as Pops instead of Fops so had DADDIES+MEL in there, so that SW corner was thorny. Managed to wrestle it down in the end.

Well, that's about it. Have a great Thursday!

OneF
RooMonster
DarrinV

RooMonster 7:59 AM  

Dang. My computer messed up YesterPuz, saying the puz wasn't complete on the main screen, even after I had gotten the Happy Music. Went to my phone, it said complete, but just went back to the main screen today, and my solve streak is gone. I'm at 1 now. Argh! First world problems, yes, and not like I had a scintillating long streak going, but still ... Silly computer!

RooMonster Bleak Streak Guy

Mark 8:03 AM  

I feel the same about sports as you do about video games. Expecting non-fans to know who plays in what stadium is a bit much imo. I can give a pass for the nyc ones like Madison square garden, since at least they are local to the newspaper paper, but outside of that it’s ridiculous trivia.

tht 8:03 AM  

Well, it's a Japanese word (I believe; not pausing now to verify). UMAMI is sometimes classed with other taste sensations like sweet, salty, bitter, sour. You might recognize it if you look it up (here, let me help), and then you won't need to avoid food with big UMAMI flavor, unless you're an odd man for whom that sort of thing is out. :-)

Henry 8:08 AM  

Agree with Rex. The continual dumbing down of the NYT crossword is just a bummer. If they want to willingly abdicate their position as the preeminent crossword puzzle, who am I to stop them, but it does seem like an intentional act. Thankfully we live in a world with numerous outlets that routinely publish fantastic puzzles that let constructors do interesting, challenging, forward thinking work, at which the editors seem to share this passion, and don’t feel the need to dumb down the puzzles of their own volition, or under pressure from corporate mandates. They get far more of my attention these days than the routinely underwhelming crosswords the NYT keeps putting out.

Barbara S. 8:21 AM  

Well, I started laughing at [Duds in bed?] and pretty much smiled my way through this one. I agree that it was easy, probably too much so for what is supposed to be Thorny Thursday. But, in all honesty, I did have a problem area at the end. Halfway down the eastern seaboard, I couldn’t think of UMAMI (although I had BOMB), I couldn’t remember BURR’s first name, and I thought that [Pixel alternative] was “etsy,” because I was thinking of Pixels.com which sells art, décor, wearables, etc. I think the breakthrough came when I suddenly remembered KAUAI – I was fairly sure that Niihau must be Hawaiian but couldn’t seem to think of any islands beyond good old Oahu and Maui. But KAUAI gave me the U at the start of UMAMI and the A at the start of AARON. By this point, I’d grasped the trick in the theme answers, but I only had the STAR part of STARMAP. I filled in the rest and then had AA at the beginning of Mr. BURR’s name which, for a second, looked like a mistake and then the light dawned. Yay!

There were arguably too many names in this puzzle but, since that was a given, I liked the bevy of women – SARA Blakely, EVA GREEN, RIRI, DEBRA Messing, EVITA, ESTEE, ANITA Baker and KATEY Sagal – to balance out all the men. Loved the answer DAMNED LIES, which sounded like something spat out through gritted teeth in some juicy movie melodrama. I thought [Rustic wedding venue] was a hilarious (and possibly original?) way to clue BARN – you’d normally think along the lines of “cows’ home.” Enjoyed FIN crossing FAN and PSST above PSAT. EyeBROW threading is completely new to me and sounds painful. I think I’ll keep my BROWS just the way they are, thank you very much.

And thanks to you, Adam Wagner.

Whatsername 8:27 AM  

Agree with Rex across the board today, awfully easy. Even the unfamiliar names offered no struggle. But I did like the theme and revealer and had a bit of fun figuring how to suss each MAN OUT.

UMAMI BOMB was the only entry which held me up because I flat did not know. I did learn something - that BROWS can be threaded - and thanks to RP, I also know what that entails. Then there’s microblading where individual “hairs” are tattooed into tiny incisions cut in the skin. And I can’t help but notice (maybe that’s the point though) the massive ULTRA brows which seem to have become popular with some women. Not always a good look IMO, and can be a little scary looking, especially if combined with those ODD fluttering false lashes. EGADS!

JonB3 8:30 AM  

Roo: Only 2 F's in your book blurb??? Congrats on your publication.

burtonkd 8:31 AM  

Your first examples are Spanish and French. AVE is well known, as in The Ave Maria. AVE is not an English word, by the way.

burtonkd 8:33 AM  

My thoughts on Pixel vs IPAD too. A PC is also an alternative, as is looking up and going outside for a walk.

I was waiting for “Why these names?”. Not a band, as Lewis wondered, I’m still searching

Anonymous 8:37 AM  

Kept looking for some cohesion between removed names and remaining words, SID KNIVES ... Nancy?? Will NANCY appear in the grid? TED BETRAYS ... wtf is Ted? Lasso? Danson? I haven't watched Curb in at least a decade, did Ted betray Larry?

Aside from that, never heard of SKIN DIVES, but not hard to work around, and I didn't know any of the proper names in the lower left corner, so a slow start down there

RYB57 8:41 AM  

haha, thanks for my morning chuckle as I head out to see my podiatrist.

Anonymous 8:45 AM  

Too many proper names and youth and video game culture made this one impossible for me. Started really easy but ended with a big old DNF. Concept was poor. Execution worse. Fill total garbage.

egsforbreakfast 9:02 AM  

So what would be the clue for the word GRNPSURF?

Lewis 9:04 AM  

@Egs -- Hah! Good point!

Anonymous 9:13 AM  

Had the same thing happen to me recently. I knew I had finished a puzzle a couple weeks ago but then I noticed my streak had ended. Went back, looked at that puzzle, the clock wasn’t ticking so I was confused but reconciled to starting over. When I checked again later I’d gotten credit for the completed puzzle and my streak was back in tact. Maybe that’ll happen to you.

Gary Jugert 9:18 AM  

Supongo que soy el maniquí. {I know, wrong kind of dummy, but it's funnier and more apt this way.}

That was fun. The theme helped the solve instead of confusing me like they can on Thursdays. The best ones were BETTER DAYS and DAMNED LIES.

[Retailer across the street from Rockefeller Center] is the kind of clue reminding me we can't leave our editors in charge of places. All I know about New York is you're supposed to yell "I'm walking here!" when you cross the street.

I used incognito mode to look up SKINDIVES after the solve because I wasn't sure what it meant and the version in my head was far more skin and way less dives. But thankfully it's just swimming.

S-Tier video blah blah blah... next.

CRESTED and CROWNED have the same number of letters. My humor doesn't have much of an edge, it's more gumming wit. I don't know what an UMAMI BOMB is, but I love the phrase and I hope it's delicious.

People know the founder of Spanx? Should we? Seems like anybody associated with body shaming sucker-inners descended from corsets and foot-binding ought to be flushed from human consciousness.

In my heart, I really want neon to have a higher atomic number. The cool elements are all way up there.

❤️ [Duds in bed?] [Jumping Jehoshephat] = EGADS. SHINDIG.

People: 11 {cue the grumbles}
Places: 3
Products: 8
Partials: 3
Foreignisms: 6
--
Gary's Grid Gunk Gauge: 31 of 74 (42%) {🔔 The bell choir gathers in the Gunkodrome yet again for another ringy-dingy.}

Funny Factor: 4 🙂

Tee-Hee: ANAL {another constructor who just won't clean up his word list}. BRA.

Uniclues:

1 Familiar name given to the night when we rise up as a community and go door to door to every crossword constructor's house, yank the laptops from their cold, unfeeling hands, and clean up their word lists.
2 Skinny dipping for the 1%.
3 My wife's purse. {Honestly, they're in there somewhere.}
4 Orcas with boas.
5 Place where I keep all my good ideas ... and severed heads.
6 One who hasn't seen the potatoes panoply on the other side.

1 ULTRA ANAL SOP (~)
2 ELITE SKIN DIVES (~)
3 MINT TRAP
4 FIN DANDIES (~)
5 EUREKA JARS
6 SALAD BAR'S FAN

My Fascinating Crossword Uniclue Keepsake from Last Year: Used a canoe to transport moon reducer to secret island lair. OARED SHRINK RAY.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

hankster65 9:22 AM  

At 78 and far from up on current culture/names, this one most certainly did not play as "far too easy." My delight in finally solving it took a tumble at that description. Does Rex find EVERY puzzle to be easy?

Smith 9:24 AM  

@Roo
Similar thing happened to me last week. It was the puzzle with DOH in it. That's what I had but it kept saying "some letters are incorrect". Eventuslly I gave up... and it highlighted the O and the H. Could not figure it out! But I don't have a xword streak because I do the Sunday puzz in the magazine...


Jnlzbth 9:24 AM  

I agree with Rex: a good puzzle with some nice answrs, but pretty darn easy. I think there could have been a cleverer clue for SHINDIG—something to do with "a dent to the leg"? And there probably could have been a more challenging clue for AARON BURR, too—something like "Jefferson's first running mate, but not his second."

I did learn that a piece of bread can be called a SOP, and I learned what S-Tier refers to, so that's something. But I do think Thursday puzzles have seen BETTER DAYS.

Anonymous 9:30 AM  

Except it's not ridiculous sports trivia. It's US history 101. Levi's Stadium should lead you to think of Levi's jeans produced by the Levi Strauss corporation in San Francisco founded during the California Gold Rush originating in 1849. Miners who flocked to California were called Forty-Niners. I have a hard time believing that the San Francisco Forty-Niners professional football team is obscure to anyone playing the NYT Crossword.

MetroGnome 9:34 AM  

Names, brand names, foreign words ("Buerre demi-"? WHAAAT??!) . . . "gunk"-fest indeed!

pabloinnh 9:39 AM  

Was bumping along, got the theme after filling in the revealer, but then ran into the Mid Atlantic where the rat's nest of UMAMIBOMB, SARA, IPAD, MOD, and KAUAI all intersected and Nancy's wall was a real possibility. STARMAP was the only thing I could fill in the blanks with that made a plausible answer and that finally gave me EUREKA which I was missing as the clue for an S-Tier video game character was no help at all. Also met KATEY and EVAGREEN today. So not easy here. Not my jam.

Interesting idea , AW. and I had A Wonderful time, but this wasn't it. Thanks for a modicum of fun.

Anonymous 9:42 AM  

Does Rex every puzzle to be easy? Well ..
if you make a good chunk of your living out of the world of crossword puzzles ... then the answer is YES. If the puzzle is just an aside from the daily reading of the newspaper, and it would never occur to you in a million years to actually keep a written record of precisely how long it takes you every day to complete the puzzle, then that person's answer would be NO.

A pro golfer's average score would be par or under; a weekend duffer celebrates when he breaks 100. Its all a matter of perspective.

Dan A 9:43 AM  

Too many unknown names and much too easy for a Thursday

pabloinnh 9:43 AM  

Hey GJ--We got back recently after spending nine days in your part of the world and had a delightful time. The scenery couldn't be more different than our home but the real treat was how open and friendly everyone was. Quite a change from buttoned-up New England.

BlueStater 9:47 AM  

A prime example of gimmickry run riot and ruining the solving experience. Dreadful, dreadful, dreadful.

Jnlzbth 9:50 AM  

What is "Nancy's wall"?

Anonymous 9:57 AM  

Hmmm......., I wonder if threading would work on my back. Har.

EasyEd 9:58 AM  

The raft of names made this not so easy for an oldster like me, but have to admit AARONBURR has been around for a while. I guessed the revealer would be something incorporating “DOWNS” or DOWNSONLY”, never thought of the ODDS angle until forced by the crosses. Tried Sierra NEVADA (too long) and
MADRE (to get the D), before settling on LEONE.

jberg 10:04 AM  

Well, I had pacERS before NINERS. I did once know most of the teams, but years of neglect have let them sink into deep memory.

Sam 10:07 AM  

“Far too easy” is right. Fastest ever Thursday solve. Played like a Monday. Maybe a Tuesday.

jberg 10:12 AM  

We'd call them SCUBA dives now, unless they were free dives. In my youth, although SCUBA gear existed, the popular image of a diver was someone wearing a waterproof suit with an air hose running to the surface; so divers not using such a suit were called skin divers (even though they weren't actually naked!)

Bob Mills 10:14 AM  

Another possible clue for AARONBURR would have been "Grandson of theologian Jonathan Edwards and Vice President of the United States."

Liveprof 10:15 AM  

Another clue for BITING WIT could be "Dentist jokes." You're in luck (bad luck). I've got two.

Just before the dentist started to work on Mrs. Johnson's molar, she reached up and grabbed him by the nuts. He looked down at her, stunned. And she said: "Now, we're not going to hurt each other, are we?"

A Texan at the dentist.

Dentist: You're teeth look fine, Mr. Baxter.

Baxter: Drill anyway, Doc, I feel lucky.

jberg 10:18 AM  

NYC store, 4 letters = SAKS.

Liveprof 10:19 AM  

Anagram for NRSPFRUG?

jberg 10:21 AM  

@Jnlzbth -- Nancy no longer posts here, but when she did she would indicate her displeasure with a puzzle by claiming that she had thrown it against her wall.

Liveprof 10:24 AM  

Too obvious.

P.K. 10:27 AM  

If you have not yet seen it, do see "Odd Man Out" - Carol Reed, James Mason. Wounded and conflicted Irish nationalist moving underground to escape capture in mid-twentieth-century Belfast. A noir film made in black and white that tells a story that is anything but black and white. What's not to love? It's the movie Reed made immediately before making his two classic Graham Greene adaptations - "The Fallen Idol" and "The Third Man." Thematically and stylishly, these three films comprise a rich and powerful trilogy showing Reed at the very top of his game.

jberg 10:27 AM  

I needed the revealer to understand what was going on, and by that time the squares with circles were mostly filled in, so that it was hard to tell where the circles were. But that wasn't my biggest problem -- that was writing in Barbed WIT before BITING. Lots of confirmation with crosses, but it made it really hard to see AMBIENT. I had olD and then pre before MED for the school, but that worked out quickly.

I guess I'm an atheist, but a Christian one, so a monotheistic atheist. Consequently, I tend to say EGAD without the S.

Teedmn 10:37 AM  

Silly me, I forgot that the French have a different word...for everything, and accidentally plopped ApRIL in at 49D. While EpA GREEN might make a good name for an eco-conscious actress, it isn't anyone I've heard of. I have heard of EVA though.

I was avoiding the reveal area, trying to guess the theme from the circled letters but they seemed to be random names. I was guessing they might all belong in a group whose existence I was ignorant of but it seems the randomness is okay, they're all ODD MeN OUT. Cute.

Thanks, Adam Wagner!

pabloinnh 10:38 AM  

Legendary commenter Nancy would throw a thoroughly frustrating puzzle at one of her walls.

Charlie S 10:42 AM  

I had fun with this one. Definitely on the easy side but the theme had a nice way of slowly unfurling itself rather than immediately jumping out like some rebuses tend to. A few stray thoughts:

• anybody else try wAmpA instead of JABBA for 54A ["Star Wars" character originally portrayed by a puppet that weighed over a ton]? Excellent niche kealoa potential there
• POR AVE NEB is not the handsomest row of fill ever to grace a grid. Though I was proud of getting NEB since my flight got diverted to Scottsbluff a few months ago due to weather in Denver. It was all worth it!

I get that video game MOD and S-tier aren't the loveliest things to see in a puzzle if you're not into video games. But in defense of them: crossword clues and answers pull from many different worlds, many of which feel niche to people who aren't steeped in them. For example, actors, TV shows, plays, musicals, NFL/MLB/NBA/NHL, every music genre under the sun, biblical references, etc. I personally know next to nothing about plays/musicals, am terrible with celebrity knowledge, don't know TV/movies very well. Plenty of solvers will have categories that are way outside their wheelhouse. That's ok! Why not have a few video game related clues sprinkled in? I think it's nice to see the NYT add variation and fresher feeling answers! And I suspect that plenty of solvers enjoy seeing them, the way that every solver likes seeing a clue that's right up their alley.

Carola 10:49 AM  

I'm with @Rex all the way on this one.

Anonymous 11:00 AM  

They weren't "three selected at random." They were three that spelled mens' names, hence "odd MAN out."

corakat 11:07 AM  

Lately I'm here every day after trying my best at the puzzle so I figured I'd start commenting even though I represent much less adept solvers haha. I had to check the puzzle to finish the NW corner! I got hung up on STEAKRUBS which I absurdly tried to cross with GEAKS for "computer pros" (in desperation I wondered if the famed geeksquad had an intentional misspelling in their brand). Later once I understood the ODD MEN OUT, I tried to construct a sensible answer for that corner, and even considered SKINDIVE but had no idea that was a real thing (it seemed less so than all the others) and dismissed it. 😅 So close!

Anonymous 11:15 AM  

Played much harder for me, likely as I stuck with “ODDONEOUT” for far too long! I enjoyed it, had the right amount of challenge - for me - for a Thursday puzz. Went over my average time by about 10 minutes.

Liveprof 11:18 AM  

Sorry. Meant "your."

Les S. More 11:23 AM  

Somewhat underwhelming. Best thing in the puzzle was probably 1A PJS for “Duds in bed”.* Actually smiled at that one. But then 3-letter men’s names in circles, 5 of them nicely symmetrical and each being composed of either the first, third, and fifth letter of another word or phrase or the third, fifth, and seventh. Okay, but are SID, TED, ABE, SAM, and MEL actually odd men? And do they actually have any relationship to the words or phrases from which they are being ousted? No? Well okay. Someone will explain or defend this, I’m sure.

BETTER DAYS is a pretty good 2 word phrase, but I felt bad seeing it hung out without a clue to support it. Same for DAMNED LIES and the 3 other themers. Good words sacrificed to a thin theme.

Pretty smooth and easy solve with some pretty fresh long entries, both down and across. I got the trick at TED/BETTER DAYS and just kept cruising down that side of the puzzle until I bumped into the revealer, which made things even easier.

Oh well, at least I had some post-solve fun looking up Ni’ihau. Strange place. Isn’t there another privately owned Hawaiian island? Lanai, maybe, owned by the Dole Company? Sounds kind of un-American. Or maybe not.

*Supported article for BRA at 65A wasn’t bad, either.

Beezer 11:25 AM  

@anon 9:30. I think your US History 101 goes a bit far with suggesting all of us should immediately think that Levi should automatically lead you to San Francisco. It’s very nice that Levi Strauss sold naming rights to its home town stadium, but consider the fact that SoFi (in puzzle not long ago) headquarters is in San Francisco, but SoFi Stadium is located in L.A. where both the Rams and Chargers play. I guess my point is that these days the corporation location can be incidental to the amount of advertising it can get in naming rights.

DAVinHOP 11:28 AM  

Pegged Rex for either two (probably) or one star in his ratings. He did include a few positives, but the preponderance of the commentary from the masses here (no tie-in for the names, too much gamer/names/gunk) makes me think he was being generous.

Wonder whether the day of the week influences the rating, like a degree of difficulty in some Olympics events. Yes, I may be getting obsessed with the new ratings system but (IMO) in a good way!

Anonymous 11:29 AM  

US History 101! Where you learn about sports teams! What a goofball that anon is. All trivia is fair game and I like to see some variety. The usual aged media and obscure sports references are far too common. Let’s get some real learning for y’all old folks. Gotta keep those minds sharp as KNIVES

Anonymous 11:31 AM  

Definitely a very easy Thursday, but as expected, the old folks have grumbled their way into the comments because slang from this century has been used in the puzzle! Gasp! I kid, I enjoyed this puzzle, the revealer, and the variety, though it was a bit too easy.

mathgent 11:35 AM  

Very enjoyable! Sweet theme.

EVAGREEN is one of about 75 Bond Girls. Others include Honor Blackman (Pussy Galore), Ursula Andress (the first), Diana Rigg, and Halle Berry.

beverly c 11:42 AM  

Very similar solving experience here. The minor frustration due to gaming, names, and foreign words was relieved by the unexpected answers for familiar clues, FAN instead of ade, BEACH instead of realm, SHINDIG instead of something related to diss. It took me an average amount of time. But once again, Rex's list of crosswordese surprised me.

PS Rex, thanks for the poem.

Beezer 11:46 AM  

The puzzle must have been somewhat easy because I finished it 3 minutes faster than my average time, however, I’m not sure about “far too easy.” I did like the fact that I could use what I figured out to answer some clues…avoiding the circle spaces, which helped to figure out the “unclued” full answer. (Wow. I finished THAT last sentence and I’m not sure even I can understand what I mean).
TIL that there is a Pixel tablet (Rex didn’t want to be filled in, but that is why it’s an IPAD alternative) and that a lady name SARA Blakely started Spanx. Gotta say…I looked her up post-solve and I’m not sure why SHE felt the need for “smoothing garments” or “shapewear” or whatever it’s called. I guess she cut off her control top pantyhose at ankles once and wore under slacks which inspired her company and eventual billionaire status.

magicpaul 11:52 AM  

@Anonymous. I play the crossword daily, have done for years, and I regularly blank on the sports teams. I had Tigers in initially until the crosses didn't fit. It's entirely possible to do the NTY crossword and not know the names of sports stadiums.

O Wilde 11:57 AM  

Hat tip & example of 29 Down

Thx!

Masked and Anonymous 12:11 PM  

Sooo... who are these SID, TED, ABE, SAM, & MEL dudes?
And if they are the "ODD" men in the puzthemers, you'd think their full names'd be: SIDVS, BTEDY, ABET, SAMP, & DMELE.

M&A's gotta go with more of a Betelgeuse, Betelgeuse ratin.

Did enjoy the overall solvequest ok, thanx to some fun stuff, hi-lited by the {Duds in bed?} clue and the UMAMIBOMB dud. Also partial to: JOKESONME. EUREKA. SHINDIG. AARONBURR. SPICERUBS clue. JARS clue. NEB [M&A was born there].

staff weeject pick: NEB.

Now, obsessed with wonderin if there's a possible puzthemer with REX splatzed into its odd letters...?

... Oh, yeah, sure ... Suborder Xenarthra.

Thanx for all that name-droppin fun, Mr. Wagner dude.

Masked & Anonymo5Us

... yesterday's NYTPuz had an impressive 007 Z's splatzed into it, so M&A was immediately eager to evoke/invoke even more Z's ...

"Whatta PutZ" - 7x7 themed runt puzzle:

**gruntz**

M&A

Anonymous 12:36 PM  

Send email to nytgames@nytimes.com. I've found the tech support people very helpful with problems of this nature.

mathgent 12:41 PM  

Lanai is owned by Larry Ellison.

ChrisS 12:48 PM  

The "bomb" effect comes from combining ingredients high in glutamates (like tomatoes, mushrooms, and aged cheeses) with those rich in nucleotides (like dried fish and other meats), which creates a synergistic umami effect that is more than the sum of its parts.

jae 12:53 PM  

Yup, easy. No costly erasures and ELITE, NEB, SARA, and IPAD were it for WOEs.

Clever idea with some fine long downs, liked it.

Falstaff 1:28 PM  

Incidentally, Rex, "Valediction: Forbidding Mourning" is one of my favorite, if not my absolute favorite, poems ever written. I also did a lot of work with early modern manuscripts for my dissertation and have, thus, transcribed it maybe 20 or so times? I'd have to check to be sure, but some versions of it in manuscript are crazy. There's one in the Folger (I wanna say MS V.a.170 or something) where the poem is written around a highly detailed drawing of a compass; it's very cool. Also pretty useful for teaching the poem, given that, in my experience, undergrads tend to think "compass" means the magnetic, not a geometric, tool.

Les S. More 1:35 PM  

Not huge Noir fan but I did really like The Third Man, possibly because of the weird zither score, but maybe more than that. I should check out Odd Man Out. Thanks.

Anonymous 1:54 PM  

Easy except for the southwest corner for me. I suck at celebrities. No idea who DEBRAMESSING is or EVAGREEN. And I know Rhiana is a singer or rapper, but she could walk in the room with me right now and I wouldn't recognize her. RIRI was totally new to me. I figured out DAMNEDLIES, BROWS, AND ALIT. Then just use context to make words going down.

PhilC 1:58 PM  

Very easy. I think this might have been a solid Thursday if it didn't have the 'training wheels' - the circled squares for the embedded theme words.

okanaganer 2:01 PM  

@JJK, I feel the same about gaming, but there are quite a few things that appear way too often for my personal pleasure: college sports and team nicknames, college abbrevs, Marvel movie characters, etc etc.

okanaganer 2:02 PM  

@Lewis... "schwa de vivre"... love it.

LenFuego 2:09 PM  

What would have given this the difficulty Rex pines for is to not include the circles in the grid. Then finding TED and SAM and the rest would have been a challenge.

Some time ago, the NYT editing staff might have had the courage to do that, and figuring out the theme would have been an integral part of the solve, and a fun and proper challenge. But that ship sailed probably at least 15 years ago, probably due to complaints from a small but vocal minority who ended up with DNFs on these types of themes, and the staff now reflexively takes the challenge --- and a lot of the fun -- out of these types of themed puzzles. And now we are all trained to have our themes laid out for us on a silver platter (or I guess more precisely, in little tiny translucent platters placed throughout the puzzle that give away the theme), so there seems to be no going back.

Les S. More 2:10 PM  

@kitshef. I also was bugged, initially, by the fact that only 3 letters were evicted. But they weren't really 'random' insofar as they were in particular, predetermined spots dictated by the theme. Still, it might have been nice to have all the odds out.

Thanks for the Avril Lavigne video. It was fun. We've raised 3 millennial boys and have only had to deal with a couple of skating-induced concussions and 3 or 4 ugly fractures. I feel lucky.

okanaganer 2:18 PM  

Meh... not a terribly exciting Thursday; yesterday was more Thursday worthy. There seemed like a LOT of names, which is confirmed by Gary's Gunk Gauge.

Embarrassing typeover: the "Atomic number of Neon" is TEN, not TWO. (I always get Helium and Neon confused; dunno why). And another note to self: Scottsdale = Arizona (I've been there... Frank Lloyd Wright's house/studio) but Scottsbluff = NEB!

True fact: my great niece just changed her name from Risa to RIRI.

Les S. More 2:22 PM  

@jberg. My image includes SCUBA gear but no wetsuit. Trunks, yes, for the males, a maillot or perhaps a bikini for females. But no wet suit, hence skindiving.

Rick Sacra 2:57 PM  

Just less than 13 minutes for me today, so definitely easy-medium. Most of it was easy--just the themers, EVAGREEN, ANITA, KATEY, and JABBA all took me a lot of crosses to get. Especially liked that SKINDIVES (a great answer) - SID = KNIVES. parsing out those equations--BETTERDAYS - TED = BETRAYS was a lot of fun. Thanks, ADAM, loved the puzzle!!!! Been on a trip to West Africa for the last three weeks, now in Chicago on the way home. Enjoying a Cubano and fast internet!!! : )

CDilly52 4:06 PM  

@pabloinnh: so glad you enjoyed @Gary J’s part of the world. I love it too. For over 40 years, my husband and I would spend 3-4 weeks out there every year. I haven’t gone back since he passed 7 years ago now, and your post - especially the comment about the wonderful folks made me think I’m ready.

Gary Jugert 5:46 PM  

@pabloinnh 9:43 AM
As much as I love to grouse about this place, the landscape is otherworldly and oddly beautiful. Yes, just as @Gill I. told me, people are almost universally friendly here and I still can't get used to chatting with complete strangers in the grocery store. I'm glad you left with a positive reaction. I will also report it is actually raining right now and we're all ready to freak out.

Dr Random 5:57 PM  

Agree that the theme was clever and well executed, and yet the nature of it produced boring answers—the secret long answers were so much more interesting. What a pity to have a puzzle with DAMNED LIES unclued!

Anonymous 6:34 PM  

i came here to see rex side eye the NYT's inclusion of debra messing esp with a "cute" clue, given her recent unhinged ignorant hateful rants on instagram, and not one mention! maybe next time...

-stephanie.

dgd 7:00 PM  

JJK
and many other people.
I remembered there’s a new baseball stadium in SF so I guessed gIaNt
Easyish puzzle so the crosses got me NINER.
I rarely criticize trivia but all newer sports events locations now have advertisement names for a contract period. So they change. Suppose say SoFI(an abbreviation, a bit ugly and not memorable) goes bankrupt. or doesn’t want to spend the money anymore. Then another advertiser steps up
In my city for a fairly long period we had a basketball/hockey etc venue named Dunkin Donuts (“Center ( called the Dunk ) but then they didn’t renew so now it’s named after an abbreviated insurance company name. Yawn

jae 7:01 PM  

Speaking of Nancy’s wall, here is an excerpt from Nancy’s comment on today’s puzzle.

“The pop culture morass on the entire right side of the puzzle annoyed me no end, and I thought there might be a loud SPLAT today.”

pabloinnh 7:19 PM  

Amen to all that. And I had a chance to use my Spanish, which was fun. La gente es tan simpatica! (Add accents and punctuation as necessary, por favor.)_

Anonymous 9:27 PM  

It was a yawner. As Thursday puzzles go, this one fell short.
I found it a bit harder than most it seems, but it never hit a high note for me.
Took me about 20 mins. I’m no pro.

nick strauss 9:28 PM  

I filled in EDS, much later eureka!, filled in PJS

Hugh 10:11 PM  

Late solve today! Anyone out there?? :o) Please give a wave!
Like @Rex, I found this to be an easy Thursday, but what stellar long downs and what great cluing! PJS, JOKESONME, SPICERUBS, and UMAMIBOMB. Even AARONBURR, though an easy entry, looks nice and pretty there in the SE.
I found the theme clever enough, and the execution just fine. The revealer landed well and did it's job.
There were some propers I didn't know, and some that I did. But all had fair crosses so no real hold-ups.
I guess with any puzzle, we could play the "It would've been nice..." game (Would've been nice if the names in the grid had something in common, or if every odd square had to be removed from the themers, etc...), but I'm mostly so awed that constructors can pull of the themes that they do, that not much gets in the way of my enjoyment when things land. Even some of the bland short fill didn't bother me at all today, not with all the good this puzzle had going for it.
Thanks Adam for a nice late-night solve!

CDilly52 11:52 PM  

As familiar as I am with Adam Wagner’s puzzles, and as much as I almost always enjoy his work, I could not connect with this one. I usually see his name and get excited, especially for some very creative and clever clues.

The theme seemed kind of clunky and clever simultaneously. The theme clues related only to the portion of the answers without the theme letters which left the solver to figure out the circles with no clue going across. Thankfully though, the downs helped and I was able to guess the men’s names on ones that were a bit more confusing. So, as Thursdays go, it wasn’t awful, but it wasn’t tricky at all except for the reveal. Props for that.

I take issue with a few of the answers that just felt rough- not difficult but clunky. Hate to repeat that word, but it’s truly how this felt to me. Plenty of “oofs” and winces.

Wince 1 was SOP. Yes, I have long known that it can (alternately) mean the chunk of bread full of the sauce or gravy that has been SOPped or the act of SOPping as in “Pass the bread, please. I’m going to SOP up every last drop of this amazing sauce.” It’s the verb that is most familiar followed by usage meaning the small gift of little value to appease a whiner. Given that 1D was PSST, SOP could have easily been one of several other words (too, hop, lop, mop?) and the wince would be gone. One more time: Editors, where are you??

TECHS is next. Maybe elsewhere, IT specialists, programmers, etc introduce themselves as TECHS, but having been married to a brilliant systems designer/programmer/hero to a very technology-challenged wife, I never in the 53 years of our friendship/relationship/marriage did I ever hear computer or IT pros addressed as, referred to (oneself or by others) or described as TECHS. Clunk. Maybe it’s a regional thing?

Then there’s EGADS. Plural! But I guess a synonym for “Jumpin’ Jehosaphat!” Must be worth more than one EGAD. Clunk.

Honestly, I think my negative experience with this one has more to do with just the very uneven pace that started with the way the theme answers work (or don’t) given the non-clued issue).

I think @Rex nailed the rating. Interesting idea, kind of clunky execution both inside and outside the theme, and just not reallyThursday-esque.

Anonymous 2:47 AM  

Came here for some acknowledgment so thank you!!

Rick Sacra 5:34 AM  

Hang in there/here, you'll get better! You're right where I was a few years ago : )

Anonymous 9:05 AM  

My pet peeve is rap-related trivia. Most rappers' names and songs are unknown to me and I have no interest in learning them.

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