"Dead serious" in modern lingo / TUE 7-1-25 / Little tuber used to make Spanish horchata / Most "wasabi" at sushi bars, in actuality / Electronically produced echo effect / Tower of ___ (mathematical puzzle with disks)

Tuesday, July 1, 2025

Constructor: Adam Aaronson and Michael Garbus

Relative difficulty: Easy


THEME: VEGETARIAN (28D: Like the foods that answer the starred clues, despite how their names start) — fruits/vegetables that have an animal's name in them:

Theme answers:
  • HORSERADISH (20A: *Most "wasabi" at sushi bars, in actuality)
  • CRABAPPLE (23A: *Fruit whose name is also a synonym for a grouch)
  • GOOSEBERRY (26D: *Fruit from a bush, much used in pies and jams)
  • TIGER NUT (38D: *Little tuber used to make Spanish horchata)
  • CHICKPEA (39D: *Garbanzo, by another name)
Word of the Day: EARL Sweatshirt (60A: Rapper ___ Sweatshirt) —

Thebe Neruda Kgositsile (born February 24, 1994), known professionally as Earl Sweatshirt, is an American rapper and record producer. Kgositsile was originally known by the moniker Sly Tendencies when he began rapping in 2008, but changed his name when Tyler, the Creator invited him to join his alternative hip hop collective Odd Future in late 2009. He is the son of South African political poet Keorapetse Kgositsile.

At the age of 16, he gained recognition and critical praise for his second mixtapeEarl (2010). Shortly after its release, he was sent to a boarding school in Samoa for at-risk teens by his mother, which he attended for a year and a half. Unable to record during his stay, he returned to Los Angeles in February 2012 before his eighteenth birthday. Kgositsile rejoined Odd Future and adopted a recording contract with the group's parent label, Columbia Records to release his debut studio album, Doris (2013).

The album peaked within the top five of the Billboard 200, while his second and third albums, I Don't Like Shit, I Don't Go Outside (2015) and Some Rap Songs (2018), both peaked within the top 20; each received critical praise. He then signed with Warner Records to release his second EPFeet of Clay (2019)[3] and fourth studio album, Sick! (2022). His fifth album, Voir Dire (2023), was a collaborative project with record producer the Alchemist.

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Love the concept but hate the revealer. By "hate" I mean ... not really "hate," but ... it just didn't work for me, for the simple fact that I would never refer to a fruit / vegetable as "VEGETARIAN." "VEGETARIAN" is an adjective for people (who don't eat meat) and dishes (that don't have meat in them). It's a qualifier. You would never have to qualify an apple, say, or a banana. Those are plants. There's no question but that they are appropriate for people who don't eat meat. I get that the main idea of this theme is that the names of the plants suggest (superficially) that they have animal components, so VEGETARIAN would then clarify things, but still ... I had VEGETABLES and VEGETATION (!) before I had VEGETARIAN, so absurd does the idea of calling a simple plant "VEGETARIAN" seem to me. I've also never heard of a TIGER NUT, though I have heard of horchata, and I have never had a GOOSEBERRY pie or jam, despite the clues assuring me that the fruit is "much used" for those purposes. The end of VEGETARIAN, the front of GOOSEBERRY, and all of TIGER NUT—that was the extent of my troubles today. Everything else went in instantly, easier than a Monday. It's a pretty vibrant grid, despite a preponderance of 3-4-5's, and it's got interesting-looking mirror symmetry. I like all the mid-range fill in the center, particularly the dreaded STOMACH PIRANHA! Hey, did you know that NIRVANA and PIRANHA have three letters in exactly the same place? You learn this type of stuff when you get real cavalier and just fill in answers based on pattern recognition without actually looking at the clue. Not Recommended. (fun when it works, but still, not recommended).


There are all kinds of answers today that are solidly 21st century, which is to say, they are going to be new to some people (despite having been in the puzzle before). Not living in a city with a lot of street food, I definitely learned what ELOTE was from crosswords (maybe a decade ago?). Whereas I only learned what "NO CAP" means about a year or two ago, probably also from crosswords (though not the New York Times). I remember very clearly asking my students about "NO CAP" and their confirming that it was a thing (and kinda laughing at said "thing" coming out of their middle-aged professor's mouth). I've probably written about "NO CAP" before ... oh yeah, here we go: CAP (as "lie") was a Word of the Day just last year. "NO CAP"'s first appearance as an answer only occurred two years ago, though, so if you haven't fully absorbed that bit of slang yet, that's understandable. But you should absorb it now. As for EARL Sweatshirt ... that's the name I expect to baffle more NYTXW solvers than any other today. This is actually the fourth appearance of this exact clue ([Rapper ___ Sweatshirt]), but the first appearance, was only in three years ago, so again, I think there will still be a lot of solver who don't know him and haven't assimilated him into their crossword vocabularies yet. Unlike NO CAP and ELOTE, EARL Sweatshirt didn't come to me from crosswords. I'd heard his music a bunch of times. He's great. I even bought a cassette (you heard me!) of his latest album (Voir Dire, a collab. with the Alchemist) just last year.


Bullet points:
  • 54D: Muppet who posts on social media in the third person (ELMO) — "posts on social media"?? He just speaks that way generally, doesn't he? "Posts on social media" is a weird / odd attempt to sound "current." Holy (ca)moly, this Muppet wiki has catalogued Every Single Instance in which ELMO has (anomalously) used the first person, not only on the show (Sesame Street), but in all merch (!) (direct-to-video specials, CD-ROM games from the '90s, etc.). This is what we call the "good internet." Exhaustively nerdy lists designed solely for obsessive fans—this is why the Internet was invented.
  • 38D: *Little tuber used to make Spanish horchata (TIGER NUT) — I was confused by "Spanish" horchata. Is that different from regular "horchata," I wondered? Well, turns out horchata is originally Spanish, made of soaked, ground, and sweetened TIGER NUTs, but in some parts of the Americas, "it is known as an agua fresca, and the base can be either jicaro (morro), rice, melon seeds, sesame seeds, along with various spices" (wikipedia).
  • 51A: Electronically produced echo effect (REVERB) — some of that cool mid-range fill I was talking about. Liked this one.
  • 53A: "Fine, I guess" ("OK, SURE") — liked this mid-range fill a whole lot less, in that the "OK" part seems totally arbitrary. "OH" "UH" "UM" all feel like they could work. I think I was an "UH" man myself. "UH" sounds less sure than "OK," and the clue seemed to be indicating some hesitancy or uncertainty.
  • 23A: Fruit whose name is also a synonym for a grouch (CRABAPPLE) — "Crab" is a synonym for a grouch all on its own. Not sure why you'd tack "apple" on to it. 
  • 2D: 1985 Kurosawa epic that is a retelling of "King Lear" (RAN) — our "local" (Ithaca) independent movie theater has a promotional video they show before movies that talks about the history of the theater, and apparently the first movie they ever screened, back in the mid-80s, was RAN. RAN was also the first Kurosawa movie I ever saw. It's been a while. I should rewatch. Speaking of great Japanese directors, I watched Ozu's Tokyo Story for the first time just last night—a beautiful film that had me wondering, once again, how in the world OZU has never appeared in the NYTXW—Tokyo Story was voted the Greatest Film Of All Time in the 2012 Sight + Sound directors poll ... that's got to be enough to get you in the crossword, come on.


Happy July, everyone. See you next time.

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86 comments:

Bill Simoni 6:05 AM  

As I wrote in Elmo, the first thing I thought was “Rex is going to have a field day with this!” Thanks for not disappointing

Bob Mills 6:14 AM  

Easy, Rex? Not for this old-timer, who needed cheats to get HANOI, TIGERNUT, NOCAP, and REVERB. The British bathroom is always either LOO or "lav," which complicated that section. A lot of GEN-X and GEN-Z stuff made it hard for me.

Lewis 7:15 AM  

I love our quirky colorful language, and puzzles that highlight it. I love that here is a perfect theme idea – vegetarian foods that start with animal names – that no one has ever thought of before, and in an apple-dropping-on-Isaac-Newton’s-head moment, it hit Michael out of nowhere on a drizzly Seattle day.

What a lovely puzzle – if you have a food theme, why not make the whole box a cornucopia? Aside from the theme answers, pour in additional food-related answers: CRISP, PIT, SUB, STOMACH, EDYS, ELOTE, BONE, OATS, DASH, ATE. Cleanly stack HORSERADISH over CRABAPPLE, and support them with four theme-answer pillars -- gorgeous.

Craft a junk-free grid that is a pleasure to scan, and add to the beauty with SEGUED and PIRANHA.

Plus, a pair of bonuses for me. First, the rare-in-crosswords five-letter semordnilap (TESSA). And second, the last name “Sweatshirt” which I find so delightfully unexpected. The last time I reacted this way was with the name of the racehorse favored in this year’s Kentucky Derby – “Journalism”.

Here in one box is the art and science of crosswords, rich with pleasure. Thank you for this, Adam and Michael!

kitshef 7:20 AM  

Rex never ceases to amaze me. Imagine never having had gooseberry pie!

I do agree with him that CRABAPPLE needs a better clue, and I've never heard of TIGER NUT. But I've also never heard of horchata. Knew both NO CAP and EARL solely from previous puzzles.

I loved the theme and the revealer.

Conrad 7:28 AM  


Easy. Only one overwrite, Oh SURE before OK at 53A

WOEs:
ELOTE (25D)
TIGER NUT (38D)
NO CAP (56A)
EARL Sweatshirt (60A)

Anonymous 7:30 AM  

Imagine never having *heard* of horchata. Ultracommon all over the country, unlike gooseberry pie, which ive never heard of before today.

Anonymous 7:33 AM  

watch Wim Wenders’ beautiful homage to Ozu called ‘Tokyo-Ga’

EasyEd 7:46 AM  

Kinda fun, maybe whimsical puzzle. Can picture little HORSEs, CRABs, GOOSEs, CHICKs, and TIGERs running helter skelter about. And avoiding those dreaded PIRANHAs. Definitely not a NOCAP experience, whatever that is!

Anonymous 8:19 AM  

Horchata is ultracommon all over the country? I've lived in 7 states, I'm 83, I've authored 13 published books, and I have no idea what it is.

SouthsideJohnny 8:28 AM  

Just two small tough spots for me today - CHU, RAN and the math question from HANOI coming out of the gate, and I’ve never heard of NO CAP or the TESSA lady - I took a few guesses and got lucky. The rest of it felt like a Monday.

ET 8:30 AM  

Easy, but not

Anonymous 8:43 AM  

A benefit to a kid who loves rap is listening to Earl Sweatshirt. I love when he shows up in a clue! But “no cap” was beyond me

Bill 8:53 AM  

Not to be the person who is overly sensitive about an area they know something about, but the clue on reverb is all kinds of wrong. Reverb is not inherently electronic, or technically the same as an echo effect. There are naturally occurring, and man made analog, reverberations, to the degree that many reverbs take their names from analog spaces they model (ie cave, cathedral). Perhaps nitpicky but it isn’t justa broad or misleading clue but an actively incorrect one.

pabloinnh 8:55 AM  

For some reason I have always associated horchata with almonds and today I learn that not only is that a mistake but there is such a thing as a TIGERNUT. Live and learn.

EARL Sweatshirt? Should be "Mr. ________, Christian name of Speedo."

I'm sure NOCAP was explained but obviously didn't stick. Maybe this time. And maybe someday I'll remember Mr. CHU.

@Lewis reminds me that my granddaughter TESSA is an ASSET. Yes. Yes she is.

Nice Tuesdecito, AA and MG. Above Average , no Mind Games today, and thanks for all the fun.

Dr Random 8:58 AM  

Loved the goofy collection of animal-plants, and (as Lewis points out above) thought the grid was pretty junk-free. I likewise raised an eyebrow at the wording of the revealer itself, but it didn’t sour the experience overall. I drew a blank on some of these (NO CAP, EARL, ELOTE), but the crosses were fair, and some like TIGER NUT could be derived from crosses with a few letters in place. Overall a good early-week experience, and hitting up both CRISPS and GOOSEBERRY on my first morning back from a trip to the British Isles was nice.

waryoptimist 9:06 AM  

Liked this one a lot, appreciated the mix of across and down themers, great center. Liked seeing ELOTE and learned NO CAP and TIGERNUT. Enough easy fill-ins to keep this one in easy- medium range. Overall great Tuesday, guys

Had same reaction to revealer as RP. Needed better clue, maybe something like: " Like a person who might subsist on...(themers)"

Wondered if a pescaterian who eats piranha, a "meat eating fish", would be transgressing?! I guess it'd be ok,since piranha mainly eat other fish

Good week so far, NYT - let's keep it going

Greater Fall River Committee for Peace & Justice 9:07 AM  

There's a story about Franz Liszt when he was a child prodigy traveling around Europe giving concerts, that he was at a dinner with royalty and he applauded the chef when they brought in the GOOSEBERRY pie. (I believe he also did something very appreciative about the people who carried in the giant sturgeon, but I have forgotten what,) Anyhow, it's the only time I've heard of the pie. I have a gooseberry bush in my back yard but it never has enough berries on it for a whole pie, at least by the time It's ripe to my taste (birds apparently like it a lot sourer than I do)

Nancy 9:14 AM  

Let's see. 1D and 2D are pop culture names. 4D is a brand name. 14A is a game you play. And that's just the NW corner. "UNCLE", scream I.

And we haven't even gotten to rapper EARL or the "modern lingo" for "Dead serious".

Filled with stuff I absolutely hate seeing in my crossword puzzle, this puzzle had made me very grumpy by the time I got to the rather cute revealer. And while the revealer was cute, the theme answers themselves seemed pretty blah until I found out why they were there. Not especially enjoyable for me.

mathgent 9:18 AM  

The. expression I've heard (but not for some time) was "No crap?". Said in response to someone who had just made a statement that was surprising. Equivalent to "Really?".

JoePop 9:30 AM  

Anyone understand what "nocap" means? How does it relate to "dead serious"?

egsforbreakfast 9:36 AM  

So when I wrote "Trump doesn't technically speak English" and the editor wrote NOCAP by the capitalized "E" I thought it was a correction. Turns out it was an "amen".

Do you suppose there was ever a telecommunications company in coastal Alabama called Mobile Phone?

I've lost my footing in British bathrooms many times, causing my pelvic joints to lower considerably. My doctor's notes said: LOO slips sinks hips.

The Operating System for the computer in "2001: A Space Odyssey" was the HALOS.

And what's a VEGETARIAN meal without catsup?

Great theme idea and nice puzzle overall. I tried hard to figure out what the revealer would be .... and failed. Fun! Thanks, Adam Aaronson and Michael Garbus.

Diane Joan 9:38 AM  

Any experienced bakers out there? I was wondering if gooseberries are used to supplement other berry pies thus explaining their prevalence in baked goods. Some very good jams are combinations of berries so it occurred to me that this may be the case. I enjoyed the puzzle. It was nice to learn about Earl Sweatshirt and his prodigious musical output.

Anonymous 9:42 AM  

This dialogue made me grin. It still fascinates me that we have regional differences in language and what is common and well known and what is rare and virtually unknown. For me, and I am a senior , the puzzle was easy and there are days when the group agrees that it is a dated puzzle and I find it super difficult. I guess that’s one of the many things that makes this blog a daily requirement for me to start my day on a positive note since there is zero chance of the news doing that for me.

Anonymous 9:46 AM  

Welcome to Ignorance—population: You

Anonymous 9:49 AM  

Open your eyes https://www.thrillist.com/drink/nation/what-is-horchata

Anonymous 9:50 AM  

He links to an explanation just click on it

RooMonster 9:53 AM  

Hey All !
My Internet is acting up at my house, first time I can remember in a while (of course, my uldmemory stinks), but it keeps cutting out. I lost my streak, because apparently it cut out on Sunday, and I didn't know, so it didn't have my puz as complete. 90 Day Streak, gone. And it cut out today! Argh! I really don't want to do the puzs on my phone every day. I like my desktop.

Had same Revealer progression as Rex. But, never changed the O in ToME to the correct A for TAME, and once I knew my streak was over, didn't care to try to find my mistake, and hit Check Puzzle.

Interesting theme. Left/Right symmetry to be able to get the Themers in symmetrically, as they are two 8's, one 9, two 10's, one 11. The 9 or 11 would need a matching number entry to have a regular symmetric grid, but y'all knew that.

Hopefully, us humans only eat one of these, CRAB. Horse? Eh, maybe different countries. Goose? Eh, a delicacy, maybe? Tiger? Eh, who knows? Chick? Eh, chickens yes, but not Chicks.

PLOP above LOO. Cute, or eww?

Anyway, maybe it's my computer, not my Internet. Either way it's pissing me off.

Welp, have a great Tuesday!

No F's (That's a LOO PLOP 😁)
RooMonster
DarrinV

Anonymous 9:57 AM  

Complaints about NE seem petty. RAN is a classic. The themers are strong in their own right. Nothing blah about them. I love rappers in puzzles just because they make a certain chunk of you reflexively lose your minds. More EARL!

Nancy 10:05 AM  

Help! Is the NYT Puzzle page down? I can't link to it. Thought it was because they had me logged in with the wrong email address. Took me 40 minutes to correct it. At first I couldn't -- then miraculously, if very belatedly, a page popped up with my correct email address on it, allowing me to click on it. With a huge sigh of relief, I did. "Fixed!" I thought. But no -- I STILL get one of those this-page-can't-be located blank-type pages when I click on any of the NYT puzzle links.

I never know when a problem is on my end or the website end. I'll be grateful if you guys can help me out.

Steve Washburne 10:10 AM  

LOGANBERRY & BOG before GOOSE... & LOO and a WOE on TIGERNUT otherwise easy peasy

JT 10:23 AM  

This went pretty smoothly for me, though I felt somewhat lucky to get the HANOI/CHU and TIGER NUT/NO CAP crosses. Those didn't quite feel "Tuesday level," but on the other hand you could be pretty sure your guesses were correct. I liked the clue for SEGUED ("Said speaking of which").

jb129 10:24 AM  

Another easy puzzle, although I never would have known EARL if it hadn't worked itself out. Didn't know TIGER NUT & I was surprised to see EMOTE & ORATE in the same puzzle. A cute Tuesday, thank you Adam & Michael :)

JT 10:31 AM  

I've had only straight gooseberry pie; my aunts in Iowa used to make it when I was a little girl. It takes A LOT of sugar--more than rhubarb, I'd say!

JT 10:34 AM  

I'm on my MacBook Pro and the site is working just fine, including the archives.

Beezer 10:39 AM  

Okay. Some people are getting huffy (and some kind of mean) with respect to GOOSEBERRies and horchata? I don’t think either are “ULTRA common”. I’ve heard of gooseberries and I THINK I may have had a piece of gooseberry pie in my life. Seems like they are similar to blueberries but I’ve never seen them in a grocery store. I’ve heard of horchata. Neither is something I’m gobsmacked about if not known.

jae 10:46 AM  

Easy-medium. I did not know TIGER NUT but I did know EARL and NO CAP from previous crosswords.

Costly erasure/typo - SAt before SAD

Cute/sparkly theme, smooth grid, liked it.

Beezer 10:46 AM  

Haha, Kitshef…yes I’ve HEARD of gooseberries and I think I’ve had at least one piece of GOOSEBERRY pie in my life, BUT I think maybe run of the mill blueberry “won out” in widespread “domestication” and distribution. NOW I need to look cuz I’m curious!

Anonymous 10:48 AM  

So I learned that Rex lives in Ithaca and commutes to Binghamton.

Anonymous 10:55 AM  

Thank you, Beezer. Horchata is most certainly NOT ultracommon, except maybe in Mexico.

Masked and Anonymous 10:56 AM  

VEGEBEASTS! Well, better beware of gettin PIRANHA STOMACH! har
Pleasant enough TuesPuz solvequest, despite occasional [thankfully] isolated no-knows, until I reached the dreaded NOCAP/CIS/TESSA/TIGERNUT/weird-OATS-clue region of mystery. Lost many precious nanoseconds. Worse even than that there Senate vote-athon.

staff weeject picks: CIS, which I MIS-recalled as BIS. CHU & RAN, which I was able to ignore, by knowin all of the CRISP+HANOI+UNCLE stack. [whew]

Thanx for gangin up on us, Mr. Aaronson & Garbus dudes. And congratz to Michael G. on his PEARed-up half-debut.

Masked & Anonymo5Us

... and now, to put some meat on yer BONEs ...

**gruntz**

M&A

Anonymous 10:58 AM  

Sorry, it’s everywhere. You must be from somewhere extremely white never to have heard of it. It’s at some Starbucks ffs

Anonymous 10:59 AM  

This is not a true statement

Nancy 11:03 AM  

Thanks, JT. Your post inspired me to go back to Wordle -- maybe I hadn't given the site enough time to adjust to my "new" old email address? (Why they arbitrarily change it from time to time is anyone's guess.) Anyway, the site accepted me this time. I was rewarded for my perseverance with a 97 score -- and I beat the bot three guesses to his four.

While I'm on the subject of Wordle, may I suggest to everyone that, if you want a good score, you steal from the bot one of the starting words he awards 99 to. He knows the stats and you don't. The starting word is arbitrary anyway; only after that does the exquisiteness of your brainpower kick in. So why deprive yourself of a high score because you foolishly picked a starting word that garners only 92?

My starting word is always the 99-point SLATE. There are many others. But this way I don't have to think until my second guess -- the point at which thinking becomes necessary and interesting.

Teedmn 11:04 AM  

TIGERNUT/NO CAP was a rough crossing for me. I had to Google both post-solve to see what they were. I was surprised to find that CAP wasn't, as I had assumed, short for something. Slang, who can tell how it comes to be?

Another interesting mirror-symmetry grid layout. It was kind of strange how the theme answers were arranged. For a moment, I didn't see that they were symmetrical but I had forgotten CHICKPEA was balancing TIGERNUT.

CHICKPEAs, I love them. Any recipe I come across that uses them, I save. Salads, sauces, casseroles, I'll try them all.

Adam and Michael, thanks for an interesting Tuesday puzzle!

jberg 11:18 AM  

Fine theme, but it would be better without the starred clues, since the theme answers are all where one would expect them to be. And it's nice to have them both across and down. Ideally, It would be better without the superfluous non-thematic PIRANHA; I'm not sure if "omnivorous" in a clue with VEGETARIAN in the grid is a plus or a minus. It seems like there should be lots of potential themers, but all those I can think of are either backward, like WELSH RABBIT or SWEDISH FISH, or they are varieties of actual fish -- WOLF FISH, DOG FISH, CAT FISH--which muddles the theme. Oh, CATMINT would work. There must be others!

I've never eaten a TIGER NUT, but I have eaten PRAIRIE OYSTERS.

And I guess my lingo is insufficiently modern, I had to get NO CAP from the crosses.

jberg 11:30 AM  

I'm not sure I've ever had GOOSEBERRY PIE, but I've certainly picked gooseberries and made them into jam. I think the need to remove those prickly shells has kept them out of mass production, so you don't find them much in supermarkets. But home canners use them in areas where they grow--not in the South, I think. (And to reaffirm the point, home canners make jam and pour it into Mason jars, which seal themselves as they cool off.) (And yes, I know that Kerr makes similar jars, but Mason jars are like Xerox machines or Eversharp pencils.)

Anonymous 11:35 AM  

Every taqueria has horchata type drink often more thane flavor. And at least in California it’s everywhere .

jberg 11:39 AM  

Hey, moderators, how about blocking some of the personal insults directed at those who don't know about horchata? This is supposed to be a friendly blog. Everybody has things they don't know, and not particular knowledge base is superior to another one.

I know they're clues, not definitions -- all the same, RAN is not exactly a rewrite of Lear; it also incorporates some Japanese legendary history. And to be precise, when we would say "bathroom," the English would say "toilet," (unless there is an actual tub in said room); LOO is the equivalent of "John" or "can."

Finally, I'll display one of my own lacunae--what is "Overnight" about OATS? Do the quotation marks indicate a creative work of some kind in which the characters break their fast with said grain? That's my best guess, but I'm not at all sure of it.

Anonymous 11:39 AM  

No problems from my iPad at 8:30 am California time

SayTheMagicWord 11:45 AM  

Bone crossing Unite: raised eyebrows time

Beezer 11:45 AM  

GOOSEBERRY update: We may see a resurgence BUT:
Gooseberries were once banned in the United States because they contributed to a tree-killing disease that could decimate white pines.

Anyway, I guess cultivation is still banned in Maine.

Beezer 11:52 AM  

Anon 10:58…you seem to have a chip on your shoulder and no I’m not from a place you say…I live in a diverse city, and I never go to Starbucks.

Beezer 12:10 PM  

I really liked this puzzle! All the crosses were fair even if you were unfamiliar with the actual answer. For instance, although I’d heard of horchata, I have never heard of TIGERNUTS…and it didn’t matter. I was a little surprised at Rex’s take on the revealer…but maybe I didn’t get his point. At any rate, VEGETARIAN seemed totally right given the clueing.

After my latest “reply” on my GOOSEBERRY research, it appears that many of us were “lucky” enough to have old aunts, uncles, etc that still had an “illicit” plantings of gooseberries on their property…or a GOOSEBERRY “connection.” Hopeful that they make a comeback because from what I read, they may have even more anti-oxidant value than blueberries!

Anonymous 12:25 PM  

New PB for a Tuesday. Also liked the symmetry of ELOTE and EMOTE(eh?)

Anonymous 12:33 PM  

OATS????

Anonymous 12:53 PM  

hate that no cap continues to be a thing and this gives it legs

Les S. More 12:58 PM  

Downs-only solve with a rather tough opening, 1 & 2 D, two movie clues. I managed to drag up the Kurosawa title from the deepest depths but had to wait until the whole rest of the corner was filled in before successfully guessing CHU.

Hard not to know red SOLOCUPs when you’ve raised 3 sons. Anyone up for a game of beer pong?

7D KEIRA. My great weakness is the old ei/ie conundrum. Someone once convinced me it should always work the way it does in German - eine, stein, bier, wie - but when you move out of Germany, that’s about as reliable as things like “I before E except after C”. So when I got the “you goofed” message, I knew exactly where to look.

Because we’re harvesting berries like mad here at the moment and I hadn’t quite twigged to the theme idea, I briefly considered blueberry, then raspberry for 26D before dropping in strawberry which was, at least, the correct length. Easily corrected.

Never heard of TIGERNUT and it was clued as a tuber so … huh? And it crossed NOCAP, which I now realize I have seen before in crosswords and quickly forgot.

I thought the theme was a little underwhelming - just animal names fronting non-animal foods - so I went looking for something special about the choices. Did they represent 5 different types of vegetarian food? No such luck. We’ve got a root veggie, a legume, a tuber, and 2 fruits. Too bad.

Liked the way the grid looked when I hit the revealer at 28D. Impressive architecture.

Jeremy 12:59 PM  

Overnight oats are made by mixing rolled oats in milk and leaving them to soak overnight for consumption the next day.

dgd 1:09 PM  

Bob Mills
I had a very different reaction
I’m in my seventies and ironically what caused more trouble for me in the NW corner was forgetting that old timer UNCLE
I didn’t know Hanoi a math term which I assume has been around for a long time. Other than the u in CHU, mainly almost dnf’d in that corner on old stuff. Otherwise I thought the puzzle was very easy so the occasional unknown eventually filled itself in. The only other tough spot was caused by Vegetables instead of vegetarian, Rex’s main complaint

dgd 1:13 PM  

Lewis
About rap names, SWEATSHIRT was a relief because it was an everyday word! (3 letter space = LIL is also a relief because it)
Always like your comments.

Teedmn 1:19 PM  

@Nancy, my former co-worker and I have made guessing Wordle in one our holy grail. Hence, we never use the same word every day. Sometimes, like for me today, that means you don't get a single letter in your first guess. Because of that, I got it in 5 today. I haven’t heard from him yet as to how he did.

dgd 1:21 PM  

Thanks for calming things down Beezer!
I had the same reaction as you.

Some people get so offended either when 1) a lot of people don’t know a word they thought common or 2) they never heard of a word. Don’t know why things get so heated over this. Talking politics these days on the other hand……

Anonymous 1:22 PM  

A REVERB is, among other things, an electronically produced echo effect. Just as a BONE is, among other things, a bbq discard. Just as DASH is, among other things, a recipe smidgen of salt.

Karl Grouch 1:25 PM  

Karl Crab here

Anonymous 1:28 PM  

Bill.
Again the question of “incorrect “ in crosswords. You are talking about technical or scientific language. The crossword is based on popular language. Most people would say that the clue/ answer is fine.
Crosswords are not dictionaries with definitions. They are puzzles They have hints we call clues to get to the answer. Close enough for crosswords

Greater Fall River Committee for Peace & Justice 1:29 PM  

Gooseberries are an alternate host for white pine blister rust, and therefore were illegal in white pine areas like all of New England. But they lifted the ban twenty or thirty years ago and I promptly bought one, I trusted, at the time, that they had good evidence to lift it. Closest white pine to here is maybe 3,000 yards, and it still looks healthy. I guess I wouldn't trust the EPA anymore, but it was nice to have it while it lasted.

Les S. More 1:36 PM  

@jberg. I've never had overnight oats but one of my nephews once explained to me his obsession with them.This is what I remember: you put some rolled oats in a sealable container like a Mason jar, add milk (I'm afraid I don't know the quantities), he adds some seeds (chia, I think) and leaves it in the fridge overnight. In the morning he adds some fruit and a drizzle of maple syrup and chows down on his cold confection.

dgd 1:45 PM  

Anonymous 9:57 AM
Nancy always gives a blunt reaction to the puzzle before reading Rex or comments Here she makes clear she doesn’t like a lot of contemporary popular culture. I wouldn’t say she is being petty. She doesn’t criticize other commenters like too many do here.
I was surprised she didn’t know UNCLE. Maybe it’s more a boy’s thing? Nancy it is not a game but an expression that has been around since before either of us were born.

Anonymous 1:55 PM  

Nancy and Teedmn,
Slate does have the best combination of letters, but the order is wrong. The absolute best starting word-based on letter distribution and order— is salet.

kitshef 2:09 PM  

@dgd 1:45 - I don't think Nancy was complaining about UNCLE; she was crying UNCLE due to the plethora of issues she encountered.

Sailor 2:26 PM  

I have very fond childhood memories of visiting the "home farm" in summer, and being sent with a bucket to the farm woodlot to pick wild gooseberries so Grandma could make pie. I'm not sure which I loved more, the pie or the outing to the woods where the berries grew.

Sadly, as @Beezer mentions, gooseberries and currants are alternate hosts for white pine blister rust, a fungus that is well on its way to doing to white pines what Dutch elm disease did to American elms. The fungus infects all 5-needle pines, so it's also wiping out ancient bristlecone pine forests in the West, along with whitebark pine and limber pine. So Grandma's gooseberry pies are a bittersweet memory.

ChrisS 2:47 PM  

I love Kurosawa and Ran is one of his best. Recently watched Tokyo Story, not a big fan of it. Certainly we'll acted, directed, and filmed but a little slow. DGD: Tower of Hanoi is a puzzle/game/brainteaser that requires logic to solve. It's the one with a set of graduated disks that you move from peg 1 to peg 3. Horchata seems somewhat new and expanding into wider American culture whereas gooseberry seems like a much older item that is becoming less common (though you can still find gooseberry jam).

dgd 3:57 PM  

There were lots of trees in my childhood neighborhood in New England which grew berries which name I forgot. They weren’t gooseberries but sweet and tasty when ripe. They did make the sidewalks a mess when they fell and people stepped on them They weren’t commercialized because they were way too soft I have heard of gooseberries so not a problem for me Like the childhood memory.
Learned something else today.
Growing up in an Italian American household, chickpeas were always the alternative name for ceci (the Italian word) beans. I had no idea garbanzo beans were the same! The cans had either one on the labels My mother liked alternating chickpeas and kidney beans in one of my favorite dishes to this day: pasta e fagioli.(pasta & beans)

Thanks again Beezer for trying to keep things cool.

kitshef 4:03 PM  

I concur with the assessment of Croce Freestyle 1024 as easy (for a Croce).

Tim Carey 5:32 PM  

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kitshef 5:57 PM  

I tend to use one word for a six months or so, then get bored with it and pick something else. I notice the NYT bot always uses PLATE (at least on hard mode), so I've always assumed that was the best possible answer.

@Nancy 11:03 - I am curious how you know what words get a 99. A quick Google gives all kinds of contradictory information about the best word in hard mode, ranging from SLATE to DEALT to SCOWL to COLTS (which I don't think will ever allow a win in one) to TRACE to BICEP (which I refuse to recognize as a word).

Hugh 8:03 PM  

No complaints here, another clever theme that I thought was well executed, I also thought the revealer was close enough.
Learned a LOT of new stuff today - NOCAP, EARL Sweatshirt, TIGERNUT, Tower of HANOI. It bothers me not in the least if something is not well known, I love that, I'm *grateful* for that - I'm happy to know it now! It bothers me even less if it IS well known and I still don't know it - still a gift!
Some interesting sets of entries today - TORE, BORE and SORE. As well as ELOTE and EMOTE - all that is fun stuff.
I also thought the cluing for SNOW was quite charming.
The tippy top NE gave me some resistance as I am not familiar with CHU as the Director. Same for RAN. As always, very happy to know them both now and will make an effort to see this Kurosawa epic. I did enjoy the light workout that UNCLE gave me in that corner.
All in all a nice Tuesday that may have been on the Monday easy side. I had fun and that's what matters. Thanks Adam and Michael!

Gary Jugert 8:34 PM  

Muy serio.

I'll agree with 🦖 on this one. Unless you live out here in the southwest, eating vegetables does not automatically make you vegetarian. Out here however, you eat vegetables, you end up in a fist fight and they play dramatic music with a rattlesnake sound in it. "I'll have a salad please." Everyone turns to look. A mom in the nearby booth covers her daughter's ears. Silence. Bendy guitar note. Rattlesnake. Manager comes over wearing non-slip cowboy boots. "I'm sorry sir, if you don't order a plate of murder, I'm going to have to ask you to leave. We don't want no trouble. Just try the adobada. The pig had a good life."

People call me Grouchy Gary or Crankipodimus on a regular basis. I think I'm gonna lobby to be a Crab Apple going forward. It feels more poetic to me.

Pretty sure verifying SEGUE is not great.

I'm team FLOP down. PLOP down is for hacks. I struggled with NOCAPS, because of the TIGERsomething. TIGER CUT, GUT, HUT, OUT, RUT, TUT, oh ... NUT.

Aren't PIRANHAS magnificent?

People: 7
Places: 1
Products: 5
Partials: 5
Foreignisms: 2
--
Gary's Grid Gunk Gauge: 20 of 74 (27%)

Funnyisms: 3 😐

Uniclues:

1 Pringles for a puncher.
2 Careened down corn cob causeway.
3 Literary series about my studies in college.
4 Extra French Peter.
5 Escape route from militant meat eaters.

1 CRISP TKO MEDAL
2 RAN ELOTE ROAD
3 SOLO CUP NOVELS
4 SPARE PIERRE (~)
5 VEGETARIAN DASH (~)

My Fascinating Crossword Uniclue Keepsake from Last Year: Delighted squeal at finding Othello villain attending Halloween party as beloved Addams family member. IT'S HAIRY IAGO!.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Gary Jugert 8:56 PM  

@egsforbreakfast 9:36 AM
❤️ HALOS.

CDilly52 9:22 PM  

@Gary J, you are on 🔥 today, my friend! ROFL.

CDilly52 9:23 PM  

@Gary J, you are on 🔥 today, my friend! ROFL!

CDilly52 9:34 PM  

What @Rex and @Gary J said (and others), but I singled out GJ just because every time he uses 🦖 to represent OFL, it makes me laugh.

So yes, despite all of the excellent characteristics of this easy but fun and very accessible Tuesday collab, the reveal rankled. Kind of like sound effects of dropping a tray of glassware in a cartoon. But I do love the beauty of a mirror image grid! So much fun.

Hearty congrats go to our debut constructor, Adam, (quad-A) Aaronson, both for his clever theme idea but also for the (again, Hi, Gary J and thanks for the actual data) low, 27% PPPP fill. Very nicely done. And to both Adam and Michael, Hail to the Orange, Hail to the Blue!! (Illinois ‘74 here).

It’s all been said, so peace out.

Les S. More 9:57 PM  

Hah, Gary, you've obviously never lived in Montana, Idaho, or Wyoming. Neither have I, but I used to fish there quite regularly and I had to keep reminding myself that I could be back home grilling some fennel or peppers or bok choy with my ribeye. I like meat, but I also like balance. I feel for you.

Anonymous 10:45 PM  

I first had horchata in a Boston suburb twenty years ago. Maybe because I wasn’t busy writing a bunch of books.

Anonymous 10:49 PM  

Then try eating at a Mexican restaurant in your diverse city.

Anonymous 10:50 PM  

Pretty sure most users of no cap don’t care whether the NYTXW includes it.

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