Epitome of completeness / SAT 10-5-24 / Oldest city in France / "Reward" for altruism, maybe / Lover of Pyramus, in Ovid / Political activist who organized 1963's March on Washington / Mercedes ___, icon of Argentine folk music / Feature of Garamond or Perpetua / Penalty taker's lament / Beer whose name means "morning sun" / Erroneous justification for a 2003 invasion, for short

Saturday, October 5, 2024

Constructor: Natan Last

Relative difficulty: Easy-Medium


THEME: none 

Word of the Day: BAYARD RUSTIN (5D: Political activist who organized 1963's March on Washington) —

Bayard Rustin (/ˈb.ərd/ BY-ərd; March 17, 1912 – August 24, 1987) was an American political activist, a prominent leader in social movements for civil rightssocialismnonviolence, and gay rights. Rustin was the principal organizer of the March on Washington for Jobs and Freedom in 1963.

Rustin worked in 1941 with A. Philip Randolph on the March on Washington Movement to press for an end to racial discrimination in the military and defense employment. Rustin later organized Freedom Rides, and helped to organize the Southern Christian Leadership Conference to strengthen Martin Luther King Jr.'s leadership; he taught King about non-violence. Rustin worked alongside Ella Baker, a co-director of the Crusade for Citizenship, in 1954; and before the Montgomery bus boycott, he helped organize a group called "In Friendship" to provide material and legal assistance to people threatened with eviction from their tenant farms and homes. Rustin became the head of the AFL–CIO's A. Philip Randolph Institute, which promoted the integration of formerly all-white unions and promoted the unionization of African Americans. During the 1970s and 1980s, Rustin served on many humanitarian missions, such as aiding refugees from Vietnam and Cambodia. 

Rustin was a gay man and, due to criticism over his sexuality, usually advised other civil rights leaders from behind the scenes. During the 1980s, he became a public advocate on behalf of gay causes, speaking at events as an activist and supporter of human rights. [...] 

On November 20, 2013, President Barack Obama posthumously awarded Rustin the Presidential Medal of Freedom. (wikipedia)
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Hey, wanna see someone luck out? Watch:


Ha ha, look at those first two answers, 1-Across and 1-Down. Wrong and wrong ... And Yet! Somehow that "Y" in TYNE ended up in the right place, which was all I needed to get "YOU FOOL!," which I then confirmed with FBI LAB. When I took the above screenshot, I had no idea I had any wrong answers; I was just documenting my progress, as I often do on late-week puzzles. "Look at me, coming out of the gate on fire!" Little did I know I was literally on fire, i.e. my first two answers were a mini trash fire. Luckily I was able to put that fire out real quick—probably ten seconds after I took the screenshot. But I just wanted to show you how skill is great and all, but you can't beat dumb luck. Wrong answers ... lead to right answers ... and the puzzle opens right up. Amazing. Thank you, OOXTEPLERNON (He's the God of Short Bad Fill, but I assume his purview extends to all things crossword-related—when He's angry, you get lots of EER and EEN and EEK thrown at you, but sometimes he exhibits generosity and blesses even your FLUBS).


100% of the difficulty in today's puzzle came from proper nouns. Natan makes puzzles for the New Yorker, and this felt a lot like a "Moderately Challenging" New Yorker puzzle—i.e. a themeless that's somewhat heavy on proper nouns I've never heard of, ones for which I sometimes have to work every cross (to be clear, I do “Moderately Challenging” New Yorker puzzles in ~6 minutes—their difficulty ratings are, uh, idiosyncratic). Today, the "yipes" proper noun, for me, was BAYARD RUSTIN. When I read his bio, I think, "jeez, how do you not know him, you should really know him—he was a central figure in the civil rights movement." Then I see that he was gay and (therefore, in a more homophobic era) worked largely behind the scenes. Still, he's a huge deal, Presidential Medal of Freedom and all that, so ... can't complain about his presence here. Happy to learn (or possibly relearn) his name. But man, every single cross I needed! I don't know any BAYARDs or any RUSTINs. At all. Those are not names on my list of name possibilities. BAYARD has appeared six times in the NYTXW, but ... well, here's the complete list of clues for those BAYARDs:

[xwordinfo.com]

Gotta be honest, every single one of those clues is gibberish to me. "Legendary horse"? Who's "Rinaldo"?
Bayard (Modern French: [bajaʁ]DutchRos Beiaard or just BeiaardItalianBaiardo) is a magical bay horse in the legends derived from the medieval chansons de geste. These texts, especially that of The Four Sons of Aymon, attribute to him magical qualities and a supernatural origin. He is known for his strength and intelligence, and possesses the supernatural ability to adjust his size to his riders.
Looks like "Rinaldo" is one of the Four Sons of Aymon. LOL I went to grad school for medieval literature and didn't know any of this! (Don't blame UM, though, I was really a very lazy student). So that's a brief crossword history of BAYARD. What of RUSTIN? Any RUSTINs? Hey, wow ... looks like Bayard RUSTIN has appeared in the NYTXW before ... once, way back in February of 1984! Clue: [Bayard ___, Washington March organizer: 1963]. I can't believe the crossword discovered him and then mislaid him for forty years. Welcome back, buddy!


Other proper nouns of my not-knowing: well, LYME, you saw that. I was thinking of Newcastle-Upon-TYNE, which is another Newcastle-___-___ place in England (how many are there!?) (1A: Newcastle-under-___, Staffordshire, England). Then there was SOSA, which gave me a bit of a fright because I had SO-A and no idea what letter to put there. This is because I didn't know LYME and so had LY-E, which gave me -OBBO-S for 3D: Don, and I absolutely Could Not parse it. Brain kept trying to make -OBBO-S into one word. Thought maybe the Argentinian singer was SONA (25A: Mercedes ___, icon of Argentine folk music). Certainly never expected SOSA, since the only SOSA I know is the late-'90s, PED-enhanced baseball slugger. But eventually my brain kicked in with the "hey, maybe it's two words" wisdom and I got through (MOB BOSS). Later on, there was MONSTRO—no idea (32D: Name of the whale in "Pinocchio"). I didn't see the recent Guillermo del Toro remake of Pinocchio, and I never cared much for that whole story when I was growing up, so once you get past the whole "I wanna be a real boy" / nose-growth stuff, I'm kind of tapped out on Pinocchio lore. I guess that's mostly it for proper nouns, except for THISBE (12D: Lover of Pyramus, in Ovid), ROME (37A: W.H. Auden's "The Fall of ___"), BIALIK (36D: Post-Trebek "Jeopardy!" host), and MARSEILLE (32A: Oldest city in France), which I'd at least heard of, and The LAST BATTLE, which I actually knew (again, dumb luck—I happen to be married to world's foremost reader of The Chronicles of Narnia; those books pretty much define her childhood. Please don't tell her I initially confused two of the books today and wrote in The LAST PRINCE) (8D: Seventh and final "Chronicles of Narnia" book, with "The").


Outside the proper nouns, almost zero trouble today. If there was stuff I didn't know, I was able to flow right around it. And "flow" is a good word for what this puzzle had. Really enjoyed whooshing around the grid, particularly through that lovely, creamy center. There's nothing flashy in there, but it's all incredibly smooth and lively, especially given how dense the long answers are there. Had a little trouble dropping into the SE corner, only because at 21D: It's nothing new, I wanted SAME OLD SONG or SAME OLD SAME OLD, neither of which fit. But I thought "maybe STORY?" and yes, that was it. Finished up easily from there.



Notes:
  • 16A: Beer whose name means "morning sun" (ASAHI) — ASAHI, the official beer of crosswords. When in doubt, guess ASAHI (esp. if it's five letters and you already have the "A")
  • 18A: Feature of Garamond or Perpetua (SERIF) — Garamond and Perpetua are fonts.
  • 44A: Double duty? (STUNTS) — my proudest moment of the day. Got this off the first "S"! The "duty" of a stunt double is ... yeah it's right there in the name: STUNTS. I think I wanted "STAND IN" at first, but it didn't fit.
  • 7D: Erroneous justification for a 2003 invasion, for short (WMD) — it's great when a clue can be factually accurate while also being, at the same time, a great "fuck-you" to an entire lying, warmongering administration. [Chef's kiss] to this clue!
  • 34D: Penalty taker's lament ("I MISSED") — "Penalty" here is a "penalty shot" (as in football, which is to say, "soccer").
  • 35D: Chest bump? (PEC) — nice cross with DIP (33A: Bodyweight exercise). A wide-grip DIP can help build your PECs
  • 41D: Cheek ('TUDE) — short for "attitude." "Cheek" here means "sass," "backtalk," etc.
  • 48D: Whirl, so to speak (TRY) — As in, "Give it a whirl!" Like this clue a lot.
  • 17A: Pitches low and inside? (SUBWAY ADS) — best clue of the day, a word-perfect misdirection. Looks like baseball ... isn't baseball. (Congrats to the New York Metropolitans for advancing to the NLDS ... maybe we'll get a Subway Series this year, but that is not my wish: go Tigers!)
  • 33D: Epitome of completeness (DOTTED i) — unsurprisingly, CROSSEDT has never, not once, appeared in the NYTXW. Eight DOTTEDIs in the last decade, but no CROSSEDTs! I am officially waging a complaint on behalf of all of T-dom.
Signed, Rex Parker, King of CrossWorld

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125 comments:

Anonymous 6:13 AM  

There are some puzzles that I groan and flip off when I’ve finished. This was one of those puzzles. I struggled hard and dip was the word that sent me striaght to the bird. Needless to say, not a favorite.

vtspeedy 6:22 AM  

I likewise fell into the Tyne/tvs trap, but went with “you dolt” at 2 down because of the cross with “dna lab”. Which completely bollixed the northwest corner, so bounced to the northeast, flowed clockwise through the rest of the puzzle, back to the northwest where I took a blind stab at “Lyme” instead of “Tyne”, which got me “LGs” instead of “TVs” and the rest fell into place. But Bayard Rustin. Ooof. Punished me for my lack of civil rights knowledge.

Anonymous 6:32 AM  


Medium for a Saturday, which is to say I finished without cheating (Sergey and Larry must be missing me today). My primary trouble spot was the SE, where the DOTTED I / DIP cross eluded me until the very end. Most of the same overwrites and WOEs as @Rex, plus 41D TUDE, which caused issues because it wasn’t sass.

MkB 6:40 AM  

Is NOONER a thing? Is this a word that people actually use, because I feel like they’re making things up by just putting language bits together arbitrarily?

Maybe I’m missing something, but this makes no more sense to me than “noonist” would or “noonite”.

Anonymous 6:52 AM  

I had a good time with this one except I got pretty epically stuck in the northwest after putting in HOWL instead of BAWL. I didn’t know Bayard’s name, had initially put in ORAL studies (I know, that’s kind of weak but it sounds like dentistry, ok?) and then knew something was wrong since FBILAB didn’t fit (I watched the XFiles, I know what’s in Quantico). Took me many minutes to figure out which answer was wrong. Howl had been my first answer entered and after it unambiguously fit with WMD and LASTBATTLE, both of which I was totally sure of, I didn’t consider it wrong. Sigh.

Anonymous 6:53 AM  

The puzzle would have been a challenging Wednesday but for the proper nouns. It seems like rather than offering Saturday level clues , the NYT now simply tosses ppp into the mix to make the puzzle more difficult. As always , thanks to our OFL and the folks who comment regularly. I ‘m an old guy who after all these years is stunned by the incites offered. Nancy, Lewis, eggs, etc, please create a crossword book for our OFL to edit Having started crosswords late in life, in my 50s, I can’t think of a better gift to give to my friends , both old(er) and young , to start them on what for me has become a morning ritual.

Anonymous 7:01 AM  

Even if some of you, including Rex, didn't know Bayard Rustin in terms of civil rights history, did you all totally miss the biopic that came out last year and garnered about a billion "best" awards and nominations for its star, Colman Domingo? The movie is called "Rustin" and it's a good one.

Son Volt 7:07 AM  

Fantastic puzzle - maybe not Stan level tough but so elegant and cleanly filled. I am a big fan of the constructor - always look forward to his JASA offerings - his cluing voice has an economy of words that is comfortable and TIDY.

Find my wellness with a LARIAT

The diagonal center stack of 9s is outstanding and opens up the entire grid. I definitely had to back into BAYARD but the crosses were fair. Each quadrant has at least one gimme that allows entry. SAME OLD x LIP READER x DOTTED I is wonderful.

Highly enjoyable Saturday morning solve. We get an actual Stan Stumper today that will give you all the trouble this one didn’t.

The Innocence Mission

pabloinnh 7:14 AM  

I knew BAYARDRUSTIN but the problem was having HOWL instead of BAWL and looking for a HOWARD someone. That resolved itself when I had most of his last name.

Wanted TYNE also but having lived in Lyme NH for forty plus years, that eventually occurred to me. Nice to remember MONSTRO (although I thought first of MONSTRUO, which didn't fit). BIALIK a total unknown and ditto to Mw. SOSA, who I know better as Sammy. Some weird letter strings in MOBBOSS and DOTTEDI but nice aha's when they became apparent.

All in all fairly easy for a Saturday with lots of good stuff. I'm familiar with Mr. Last's puzzles in the New Yorker where they usually appear on Mondays, which is the hard one there.. This one felt a bit easier than those.

I liked this one very much, NL. Never Left me frowning, and thanks for all the fun.

Anonymous 7:17 AM  

It’s a term for a tryst

Andy Freude 7:37 AM  

Rex is right: this certainly felt like a New Yorker puzzle. As soon as I saw Natan’s name I had an idea of what to suspect, and Bayard Rustin dropped right into place. Some of the other woke stuff, not so much. (And I don’t mean “woke” in a negative sense. I just don’t know the current shorthand term with positive associations. It seems that any progressive term can start out positive and quickly be turned into a term of derision by the right. I remember when “politically correct” was a good thing. That lasted about a minute.)

Greg in Sanibel 7:45 AM  

A NOONER is absolutely a thing. Probably goes back to when workmen would go home for lunch and have a quickie with the missus. Nowadays the word usually implies a lunchtime affair with a coworker or side piece.

kitshef 7:54 AM  


Weird puzzle. Every other clue seemed impossible, but somehow finished in a normal Saturday time with no errors. But with all these these WoEs:
LYME
SOSA
IVE
ULTRA
EDWINA
BAYARD RUSTIN
DANE
plus many non-wavelength clues I don't know how I got there.

I. Scull 7:56 AM  

CREW TEAM is redundant - the crew IS the team. You may use Crew. You may use Rowing Team. But not Crew Team. This error recurs in the New York Times puzzle, and there is no excuse for it. So there!

SouthsideJohnny 8:15 AM  

I enjoyed the SE, as SAME OLD STORY was easy enough to gain me entrance and the absence of PPP in that little section gave me a fighting chance. The rest of it was a giant trivia test as Rex detailed - this one is particularly tough with the civil rights activist taking up so much real estate. Unfortunately, I don’t know any of that stuff - even so, I’m proud of myself for getting DREAM DATE, CREW TEAMS, and BONE TIRED.

Bonus points for being especially evil go to the SW, with MONSTRO and BIALIK crossing the motto for Spain !

Saw the clue about Gertrude and thought of Ms. Stein, who I am guessing is not Danish. The dark recesses of my mind are telling me that it’s a cartoon about a large dog, which I have not confirmed with a post-solve consultation with Uncle Google.

Agree with Rex that SUBWAY ADS had a kick-ass clue, which gave that little section some GOOD KARMA as well (although FBI LAB seems a little like Green Paint).

Alex 8:19 AM  

Had TVS before LGS, DEADTIRED (a better fit to “drop”, I thought) before BONETIRED, NETS before NABS. Great clueing, great puzzle. :)

EasyEd 8:29 AM  

Wish I could add something constructive to this conversation but was overwhelmed by the PPP just as many were. Only personal connection I can think of is that currently I’m sitting in the epicenter of the epicenter of LYME disease in the US, and I’m helping greatly to support the anti-tick spray industry. Bring back Sammy!

Anonymous 8:47 AM  

Bayard Rustin one of my first answers and off to the races after that. There are 2 good movies about Rustin.

Bob Mills 8:47 AM  

Awful. A collection of non-words. TUDE might be the worst answer ever in a NYT crossword. Short for "attitude"? Where? According to whom? Has anyone ever used that word publicly? If not, how could a retiree in Florida know it?

A crossword puzzle should use real words. Making up stuff is a waste of people's time. Gertrude is a DANE? Which person named Gertrude? DANE as in "native of Denmark?" If a fictional character named Gertrude is suggested, then that should be part of the clue.

Dr.A 8:48 AM  

How are SOPS concessions? I am confused on that.

Anonymous 8:51 AM  

Whoosh, with some bite. Good puzzle. I kept expecting to recognize the civil rights activist as I got crosses, but it kept me guessing until the end.

Thought the “Pitches low and inside?” would be some kind of smear ADS but couldn’t make anything fit - agree with Rex that’s a great clue.

Anonymous 8:58 AM  

Loved it

Anonymous 9:03 AM  

Could they possibly squeeze more obscurity and trivia into a single puzzle? Asahi? Thisbe? Lariats? Monstro? Ultra? Sosa? Edwina? Bayard?!?!?! Just a horribly frustrating start to the day. Obviously hated this puzzle.

Moog 9:05 AM  

When i got SUB (17A), I was sure the answer was subwoofer - which also pitches low and inside misdirection. Threw me off in the NW for bit.

Danny 9:16 AM  

Anyone else also going to be attending the Midwest Crossword Tournament?

andrew 9:18 AM  

Thought for sure that “Org. that discourages travel” would be TSA - after all, some of the other Axis of Evil terms were initial-checked (FBI, NSA, WMD). Turned out TSA(RIST) was just above.

Remember having NOONERs in college with DREAMDATEs. Sigh…now my only NOONER is taking Diva for a walk (also an EIGHTER, TENNER, TWOER, FOURER - etc ETC!). Love her but its the SAMEOLDSTORY repeated at two hour intervals (until the 3x a day MN winter schedule kicks in a few weeks…and those will be quickies (SIGH…I also remember having QUICKIES).

RooMonster 9:18 AM  

Hey All !
Well, horsefeathers. Had to Goog in that NW corner. Too many this-heres I couldn't suss out. Had Fthood in for FBILAB, and LYon in for LYME, effectively mucking up any chance of forwardness. Looked up SOSA (which actually should've been sussable), EDWINA, and what assignation meant. Sheesh. Once I "got" EDWINA, was able to change LYon to LYME, saw that Don was indeed a MOBBOSS (had wanted something like that), then GOODKARMA, KALE, and finally SUBWAYADS. That corner gets a "My Goodness" rating

Rest of puz was slow but steady, but ultimately gettable. MONSTRO new here. Funny how now even TOUCHTONE phones are old. Remember when you actually had to remember people's phone numbers? Good times.

Would Pyramus's lover be introduced as "THIS BE THISBE"?

A pretty good SatPuz. Liked the open Center, which is quite difficult to get clean fill in. All that center fill is aces. Some fun clues, like the LIPREADER one.

Errant body art? RAN TAT

Enough KALE out of me. Happy Saturday!

Three F's
RooMonster
DarrinV

DrBB 9:20 AM  

This was my experience too.

burtonkd 9:30 AM  

Thanks! I knew the name, but wasn’t sure why.

burtonkd 9:40 AM  

So happy when SUBWAYADS came into view. I appreciate that there are outlets like the NYer where puzzles don’t shy away from offering a wider variety of clue answers. If I don’t know something, I at least get to learn something. And they are usually fairly crossed. Occasionally I have to turn on the auto-check feature.

SE was tough. Didn’t know the Auden immediately, had ISO before DIP until PEC insisted. STolid>STATIC, BERATE>RANTAT. A Penalty taker is usually the player the penalty is called on, so I wanted some variation of “so sorry” or “I blew it”. I even initially dismissed IMISSED, but a penalty kick is also “taken”, so that does work.

The Pinocchio movie Rex referenced is quite a lovely stop motion (or CGI?) musical, with a beautiful boy soprano voice singing the lead. Like Rex, it’s not my favorite IP, so I avoided watching it, but was worth it in the end.

Smith 9:42 AM  

Um, very easy on Saturday? More like Wednesday. Started with tYnE but had a sense it was wrong because of Newcastle-on-Tyne, you know, there probably wouldn't be two...
Anyway then went all the way east and solved southwesterly through the middle, filling in other stuff as I went, whoosh, whoosh. Ended up back in the NW after RUSTIN gave me BAYARD gave me KARMA confirming ARAB and so on.
Nothing in there too tricky except the Countess, and her W was the last entry as SUBWAYADS popped.
Liked the whooshiness.
Would have liked a little more crunch on a Saturday but overall a lovely puzz.

Anonymous 9:45 AM  

SOPS again? Ugh

Lewis 9:48 AM  

A brief update from Helene Central (Asheville, NC, my home)…

I have greatly missed the commenting family here and being part of it. I tune in when I get enough bars on my cell to access the site (cell service is weak). When I finally get Wi-Fi back, I shall return!

Life is very busy here. Let me just say it’s like camping, but certainly not glamping. There is much neighbor helping neighbor, and much humor in the midst of it all. We’re all finding hacks for everything.

Anyway, I just wanted to check in, and for those who have asked or wondered, to let you know that I am fine, and my spirits are bright. I miss you all and wish you well!

DrBB 9:53 AM  

Ya know that thing where the fill calls for two words and you get one readily enough but still need some crosses to get the other? BAYARDRUSTIN column cuts down through a whole thicket of potential roadblocks of that kind, reminding me at each step that I don’t know as much as I thought I did about that period:

GOODK[A]RMA
SUBWA[Y]ADS
FBIL[A]B
[D]REAMDATE
C[R]EWTEAMS
TO[U]CHTONE
BONE[T]IRED

Just imagine how fast that whole West side would have fallen if Rustin were as familiar to me as he should have been…

Rich Glauber 10:00 AM  

As a sop to the progressive wing, they included the Green New Deal in the party platform.... ('Sop' gets used like that occasionally)

Anonymous 10:00 AM  

Yes but it’s a midday tryst.

Anonymous 10:02 AM  

A midday, amorous rendezvous.

Eh Steve! 10:06 AM  

I mean, Yayard sounded reasonable enough.

Ray Yuen 10:16 AM  

I love doing the New Yorker but every time I see Natan Last's name, I think it's a waste day--his work is absolute turd. I don't see how this hack keeps getting puzzles published because they stink worse than dung.

It's always and consistently about obscure names and places that no one's ever heard of, or cares about.

Get this talentless weinie out of here already. It's frightening to think that he's writing a book on how to make crosswords and teaching people to be creators.

I've tried to organise people to write to the New Yorker en mass to ban Last. He really sucks the joy out of the activity. I really look forward to the Saturday puzzle and his name just destroyed this week's highlight for me.

Please, write to editors and publishes and let them know: Natan Last is diarrhoea.

Anonymous 10:19 AM  

Crew team? Is that like a hue color? Or an engine motor, or a mistake error?
Sheesh.

jberg 10:33 AM  

First and foremost, this is a beautiful puzzle, with so many great entries -- BAYARD RUSTIN, TOUCHTONE, GOOD KARMA, MARSEILLE, DREAM DATE (an incorrect entry from earlier this week), etc., etc., etc. There is one glaring exception, the redundant CREW TEAM, but I'll give it a pass. I also enjoyed seeing NEW HIRE, a phrase people actually use, rather than the tired old "hiree."

One of the oddities of my time of life is that you can know something very well, but not be able to come up with the right name. Today, that was BAYARD RUSTIN--I saw the clue and knew it was that civil rights and nonviolent activist who always stayed in the background because he was gay; I knew his name started with a B; but I couldn't come up with it until I got the Y from SUBWAY ADS, and there it was.

I almost died in the SE, basically because of 'TUDE, although the ambiguous clue for TIDY also made it tough, as did my initial guess of SAME OLD thing. But BLOODTEST gave me STORY (which nearly crossed the TIDY narrative!), that gave me LIP READER, and the rest was history.

I did have to get the Jeopardy! guy entirely from crosses, even though I saw his picture in the paper a day or two ago. Do they have a policy that all hosts have to have that final K?

OK, I'll go see what everyone thinks.

Carola 10:35 AM  

Easy here, and, for a Natan Last puzzle, really easy (he usually sinks me with PPP I don't know). But today I guess it was some kind of GOOD KARMA that fit the puzzle to my happen-to-know assortment. First in: BAYARD RUSkIN x BAWL and after that it was a matter of having just enough crosses to suggest the next answer, and I finished up without a snag at the TIDY DOTTED I.

Do-overs: tYnE before LYME, RUSkIN, RAilS before RANTS, thing before STORY. Help from previous puzzles: SKOSH, NEW HIRE.

Anonymous 10:42 AM  

What is ppp?

Raymond 10:44 AM  

Indeedcfictional. Queen Gertrude of Denmark is Hamlet's mother who marries her brother-in-law after the couple displose of her first husband, the previous king, (Hamlet's father). The plot revolves around Hamlet's suspicion that this is what happened when he.was away studying in Wittenberg Germany.

egsforbreakfast 10:45 AM  

What did the Labour Party MP say when his political opponent accused him of having been illegally given a new Cutlass Supreme? No that's the SAMEOLDSTORY.

Good to see a nod to both Rustin brothers, BAYARD and TANKARD.

Lotsa whoosh today. Thanks for a fun one, Natan Last.

jberg 10:49 AM  

I think she's the queen in Hamlet.

Liveprof 10:51 AM  

Side piece! Haven't heard that before.

John 10:51 AM  

This was my experience. I came here expecting Rex to say this was too easy—I flew through it and got a new PB. Normally when I struggle with a late-week puzzle I usually come here to see him talking about how easy it was. But now I realize that I was fortunate enough to know almost every proper noun, and the few I didn’t I got pretty easily on crosses. Still, I’ll take a new record.

Iydianblues 10:56 AM  

“Dotted i” for “epitome of completeness” is ironically unsatisfyingly incomplete! The phrase is “dot your i’s and cross your t’s”! “Hey Snodgrass, be epitomically complete with that tax return — remember to dot your i’s”…. [but don’t cross your t’s?]. It’s like the Marx brothers: “Hey boss can you give me your “OK” on this document?”. I’m busy right now, but I’ll give you the “O”. Come back later for the “T”. Or for the musically inclined, a musical piece that ends on the subdominant — think PDQ Bach. A sexual parallel also springs to mind, but I better not…

Anonymous 10:56 AM  

CREW is a specific sport. So, no.

jberg 10:56 AM  

@Lewis, thanks for checking in! We've all been thinking of you, and a little worried. I'm sure it's still tough, but you are always so positive.

Bob Mills 10:57 AM  

For Raymond: Yes, Gertrude was Hamlet's mother. But DANE alone as an answer effectively excludes every other Gertrude that might have fit the clue. Gertrude Stein was more familiar, and she was a POET (four letters). Just a horrible clue. "Queen Gertrude" would have been reasonable.

jae 10:59 AM  

Medium. The NE and SW were pretty easy, the SE was a tad tougher and the NW was a bear. hoWL before BAWL and not having a clue about BAYARD resulted in a considerable amount of blank staring.

EDWINA, THISBE, LAST BATTLE, and SOSA were also WOEs.

A solid crunchy Saturday with just a soupçon of sparkle, liked it.

Anonymous 11:00 AM  

I knew BAYARD RUSTIN from a record we owned when I was growing up, with him singing Elizabethan songs on one side and Negro Spirituals on the other. We listened to it a lot. His is still the voice I hear when I think of Have you Seen but a White Lily Grow, and also Ezekiel saw a Wheel. My mom went to the '63 March on Washington, she hardly mentioned wanting to see Martin Luther King, she wanted to see Bayard Rustin. When she got home, at 5 in the morning instead of the expected midnight, because the bus had broken down, all I remember hearing was broke-down-bus stories, nothing about what either of those great men may have done or said. But I did scatter a small baggie of her ashes on the National Mall a few years ago, because I think it was a really big moment in her life. I bet there's a lot of that.

Oh, the puz. I left two blank spaces, what should have been an 'L' at 1a and 1d (well, a 'T' was sitting there but I knew it was wrong) , and what should have been a 'P' at DIP and PEC. Otherwise it was pretty whooshy,

Anonymous 11:01 AM  

Watched a doc recently entitled “Rustin.” Good one. Watch it. But I couldn’t remember how to spell the first name.

Tina 11:02 AM  

Me too. I would never tell a bodybuilder, “hey,nice bumps”. Really? Hated this one.

jberg 11:12 AM  

Lots of complaints about too much PPP today; I hope someone makes an actual count, because it didn't seem like that much to me. As for "obscure," well that is synonymous with "unknown to me." It usually is known to many, e.g. BAYARD RUSTIN, or Mercedes SOSA for that matter.

Everyone known Newcastle-Upon-Tyne, but the clue says "under" so it has to be somewhere else. (They only use those qualifiers when there are two place with the same name.) I'd never heard of the under one, though, so I had to get some crosses.

My wife and I watched every episode of the first four seasons of The Crown, and the first Mountbatten (aka "Dickie") shows up a lot, until the IRA blows him out. So I imagine EDWINA was in at least some of those episodes, but I needed most of the crosses; at some point that was the only read name that would fit.

I did have a quibble about ARAB. Edward Said was a professor of English; his most famous book, Orientalism, is about the treatment of Arab society in West European art and literature. It's true that he was an Arab himself, and he did edit the Arab Studies Quarterly at one point, but it's not how I would think of him field-wise. I don't know about Rashid Khalidi.

Also, I don't follow the NBA all that much, but from the games I've seen on TV they don't do a very good job of discouraging traveling.

Newboy 11:13 AM  

As I often find on my Tuesdays with Natan this grid had TUDE in spades. Embarrassing hand up for totally missing BAYARD in the 60s due to excessive fraternity TANKARDS, so some belated learning from first to Last today. tsA really should have been that clue’s response and you can’t convince me otherwise.

Anonymous 11:13 AM  

I hope so. Otherwise you will be the only person there, ;)

Sam 11:14 AM  

Quite challenging for me but I finished

Anonymous 11:16 AM  

And please tell us how you really feel, Ray. Don't hold back!

Anonymous 11:16 AM  

Gertrude in Hamlet

Anonymous III 11:20 AM  

@ Anonymous II. CREW IS the team. Say either CREW or rowing team, but not the redundant CREW TEAM. The comment by Anonymous I questioning the term is spot on. So, yes.

walrus 11:23 AM  

this one was on the harder side for me. i found no flow and the cluing felt like a trivia test more than a crossword. blech.

Anonymous 11:28 AM  

A common term back in the 70s and 80s

Nancy 11:35 AM  

First of all -- this was a "keep the faith" puzzle where it took me forever to gain entry and even after I did, I thought I'd never finish it.

Second -- I don't think I've ever seen a puzzle with so many interlocking traps for the solver to fall into. Could it be accidental -- or was it fiendishly plotted in advance by Nathan Last?

HOWL instead of BAWL for "wail" led me to HOWARD instead of BAYARD someone-or-other (though I couldn't remember any HOWARDs from that 1963 March)... led me to ISLE instead of CORE for "key" ...led me to ICE CREAMS instead of CREW TEAMS for the "shell" clue. And I also had PHONE where the TONE of TOUCHTONE should have gone.

Yipes.

"Now what was the strange name of that godawful woman who replaced Trebek before Ken Jennings did?" I asked myself, thanking the powers that be at "Jeopardy" for their most welcome decision. The crosses got BIALIK for me, but BAYARD RUSTIN did ultimately come back to me. My generation, don't you know.

Phenomenal cluing for SUBWAY ADS; STUNTS; LIP READER and DOTTED I. Natan is a real pro and this was a fabulous Saturday tussle.

Niallhost 11:36 AM  

I knew BAYARD RUSTIN but originally had meWL for the wail clue, and thought he might be Mayard Restin? I knew I was close but took me a minute to fix that section. Found this significantly easier than yesterday's - finished in 20 which is faster than my usual Saturday time. No real sticking points. Had to fix a couple of letters to get TOUCH TONE which is where I ended up, so overall a great Friday puzzle for me on a Saturday.

LewS 11:55 AM  

Only write over was DEADTIRED and MARSEILLE helped me correct my mistake. Great Saturday. I hope this isn’t Natan’s last … [rim shot]

Anonymous 11:55 AM  

Mayim Bialik split hosting duties with Ken Jennings for a couple seasons. She is now gone and Ken Jennings is the sole host

Anonymous 12:02 PM  

Hi Nathan .

Anonymous 12:10 PM  

Mayim Bialik is a woman.

Trigger 12:12 PM  

Bialik is a woman

Gary Jugert 12:16 PM  

Busqué en Google una docena de veces.

@Gill I. (yesterday)

Girrl, where the heck you been? I definitely don't have a good handle on this español biz and am eager to hear from y'all who know a pista from an indicio. But way more importantly ... Mondays. Los lunes. Um, I feel certain I need for you to be toiling behind the treadmill of literary genius every Sunday night so we can enjoy your crazy concoctions to start the week. Do this for the good of humanity.

Haha! The word LASAGNA has had a good week. Please, don't be AWED by my ability to forsee the future, thank Joel for including all my ideas in the puzzles with two-day turnarounds. And of course for the lasagna. Get this, according to most everybody, Albuquerque doesn't have a great Italian restaurant. It seems impossible, but there's no way I will hang onto this belly without carbs, so I will venture forth and report back. Every meal I had in Italy was the best meal I've ever had, so the bar is high. It seems like cheating to rely on my wife's cooking.

Tough gunky puzzle. It was beyond my ability today.

YOU TOOL led to a TBI LAB and I was so proud of the government for working on concussions.

Went jogging after inking: RAN TAT

❤️ GOOD KARMA. SUBWAY ADS. MOB BOSS. TUDE.

Propers: 9
Places: 2
Products: 7
Partials: 4
Foreignisms: 3
--
Gary's Grid Gunk Gauge: 25 of 66 (38%)

Funnyisms: 5 😄

Tee-Hee: NOONER.

Uniclues:

1Layer words upon words until the stinky odor of comedy punches you in the funny bone (or angry organ), or, for those less infatuated by blogger drama, noodle canoodles.
2 One seeing the tweet, "It's not you, it's me."

1 LASAGNA STUNTS
2 BIRD'S LIP READER

My Fascinating Crossword Uniclue Keepsake from Last Year: Booooooor-ing. OPERA AT A GLANCE.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

GILL I. 12:18 PM  

Ay Dios mío....Doovers...and lots of them. But let me start with LYME because my husband confirmed it. Continued with a BAWL and CULTS. I'm on a roll until I wasn't. Stare, then gently pen in an answer hither and yon. GOOD KARMA yes! YOU FOOL, yes, I was and am. I'm looking at MOB BOSS. Fool me once.... I'm staring at 5D. Are you a BAY area something or other? No. Wait. Let the crosses take care of the name. They did. I'm NO FOOL (yet)....

So I'm. doing pretty good so far. No cheats and loving DREAM DATE. The top section is almost filled in. Leave it alone and head for the middle. CREW TEAMS??? I wanted my shells to be filled with clams! RECEIVABLE and NEW HIRE gave me the EW... so could CREW be a TEAM? It was.

My doovers: I had SAME OLD thing instead of STORY. Double duty? I thought of Reynolds Wrap and so I wrote STUrdy instead of STUNTS (great misdirect)....My unchanging answers for 40A was STable instead of STATIC. Erase, erase erase. So it's STATIC STUNTS STORY. Yikes!.

Did anyone answer @Dr.A's SOPS? I still don't understand how concessions are SOPS. I cheated for just THAT answer and I have no idea what sops are other than that's what you do with a piece of bread getting that last bit of your LASAGNA. Anyone?

So I will say that I really enjoyed today's struggle. I finally got and now know about BAYARD RUSTIN. I'm thrilled to know that MARSEILLE is the oldest city in France; BIALIK (huh?)...and MONSTRO (huh?). are names that I will most likely forget and that DIP and PEC and somehow related.

Anonymous 12:21 PM  

Ugh. Hated it. Hard because of proper nouns. Disappointing waste of a Saturday.

Anonymous 12:25 PM  

You come across as an intelligent, interesting, and adventurous man. With your good looks, how are you missing out on nooners with dream dates?

Teedmn 12:26 PM  

Goodness, I took a while to finish this. Both the NW and SE gave me trouble.

The NW, like an idiot (YOU FOOL), I mis-entered ALS as ASL and hilarity did not ensue. Towards the end of my solve, with GOOD KARMA and NOONER in place, I lightly penned in EDWINA as my best guess at the countess and somehow that got me going again.

SE, TUDE and DOTTED I were the toughies. Though since when is a tidy narrative a thing?

Thanks, Natan Last!

Anonymous 12:35 PM  

Oops, that should have been "Come back later for the K"....

Anonymous 12:40 PM  

First, @Lewis, you’ve been missed - glad you’re okay and hope things get put to rights as soon as possible!

This one was sticky, until it whooshed, then it got sticky again. At one point I had the entire center filled in from the SW to the NE but only bits and pieces in the other corners. BAYARD RUSTIN felt right once I got it but I needed most of the crosses (and hoWL wasn’t helping). Really wanted the “pitches” to be musical at first. Then when I saw the ADS part, I really wanted SUBliminal ADS but couldn’t make the rebus work. Mimi, YOU dolt (my first thought before FOOL).

Lots of great stuff, including TANKARDS and DREAM DATE (a recurring DREAM, perhaps? Will it return tonight?). Only a minor side-eye towards the CREWTEAM. Some unknown PPP, e.g. MONSTRO, but crosses to the rescue. Helped to know the name of the French national anthem, which, according to Wikipedia, “acquired its nickname after being sung in Paris by volunteers from Marseille marching to the capital.”

About that Jeopardy host - this is Dr. Mayim BIALIK. She played Sheldon’s neurobiologist girlfriend/wife on The Big Bang Theory and has a phd in neuroscience in real life.

@Anon 11:00am, nice story about your mother, and thanks for telling us about the RUSTIN record! I think I found it. Here are the two songs you mentioned:
Have You Seen But A Whyte Lily Grow
Ezekiel Saw The Wheel

Linda 12:41 PM  

@jberg, the "Jeopardy! guy" in the puzzle is Mayim Bialik, who's a woman.

M and A 12:42 PM  

Jaws of Themelessness alert. SatPuz appropriate. Along with it bein kinda hard to solve. It was sorta a NatanLASTBATTLE rodeo.

staff weeject pick: LGS. Wanted GES, at first splatz.
But LGS is better, as it helped build two fave answers: GOODKARMA/YOUFOOL.
p.s. Also real fond later on of: CREWTEAMS clue and SAMEOLDSTORY.

Loads of no-knows, mostly names and unusually clued yep-knows.
fave clue: {Double duty?} = STUNTS.

Thanx for the suffrage, Mr. Last dude. Would Gertrude be yer DREAM DANE DATE?

Masked & Anonymo5Us


**gruntz**

Anonymous 12:57 PM  

I actually enjoyed this one! I had almost no trouble, even without knowing Bayard Rustin. My only cheat moment was casually walking down the hall past the bookshelf to glance at my Narnia collection. :)

Anonymous 12:57 PM  

Hmm, now blogger took my handle. This is "A" (aka Mimi).

jb129 1:05 PM  

Now that the NYer (except when they don't run them on weekends) has added Minis to its roster of puzzles, I've gotten used to seeing Natan's name on Mondays. Lucky for me, sometimes they squeeze Robyn W. and Erik A. in.
I don't look forward to Monday's there anymore. As for today's NYT puzzle the only words that came easy to me were RECEIVABLE, MOB BOSS, FINK, RANT AT, LASAGNA, DREAM DATE, TOUCH TONE (now that I'm listing them seems like more than I recall...). Anyway, I guess I'm not as smart as I thought :(

A 1:07 PM  

Reposting as @A (and deleting my anon post) after getting re-signed-in to Google.

First, @Lewis, you’ve been missed - glad you’re okay and hope things get put to rights as soon as possible!

This one was sticky, until it whooshed, then it got sticky again. At one point I had the entire center filled in from the SW to the NE but only bits and pieces in the other corners. BAYARD RUSTIN felt right once I got it but I needed most of the crosses (and hoWL wasn’t helping). Really wanted the “pitches” to be musical at first. Then when I saw the ADS part, I really wanted SUBliminal ADS but couldn’t make the rebus work. Mimi, YOU dolt (my first thought before FOOL).

Lots of great stuff, including TANKARDS and DREAM DATE (a recurring DREAM, perhaps? Will it return tonight?). Only a minor side-eye towards the CREWTEAM. Some unknown PPP, e.g. MONSTRO, but crosses to the rescue. Helped to know the name of the French national anthem, which, according to Wikipedia, “acquired its nickname after being sung in Paris by volunteers from Marseille marching to the capital.”

About that Jeopardy host - this is Dr. Mayim BIALIK. She played Sheldon’s neurobiologist girlfriend/wife on The Big Bang Theory and has a phd in neuroscience in real life.

@Anon 11:00am, nice story about your mother, and thanks for telling us about the RUSTIN record! I think I found it. Here are the two songs you mentioned:
Have You Seen But A Whyte Lily Grow
Ezekiel Saw The Wheel

okanaganer 1:08 PM  

Whew!... easy top, tough bottom. Just a SKOSH under 30 minutes which is great for a challenging Saturday.

Nice to see NOONER after all these years... 1980's maybe?

So many typeovers: had DEAD TIRED before BONE TIRED, then SAME OL' SAME OL' when the version with the terminal Ds didn't fit, MAESTRO before MONSTRO, and TIT before PEC for "Chest bump" (tee hee!) When Ken JENNINGS didn't fit I thought of Miriam... howdoya spell that last name... oh yeah, BYALIK! (almost)

For the old French city, I never know whether it's MARSEILLE or MARSEILLES. (Google Ngram)

mmorgan 1:36 PM  

I struggled with a lot of this — also had Tyne and TVs and also SAME OLD thing — but it was rewarding to struggle through it. SOSA was a gimme for me — I love her — but thanks to Rex for the awesome video of her with Joan Baez, which I’d never seen.

Liveprof 1:41 PM  

It's a great name: Mayim means water in Hebrew, and (Chaim) Bialik, who died in 1934 in Austria, was a pioneer of modern Hebrew poetry.

paulfahn 1:41 PM  

alert to crossword writers and editors: TUDE isn’t an English word! You have to indicate in the clue that it’s slang, a var, lingo, or some such thing.

jazzmanchgo 2:09 PM  

For what it's worth, BAYARD RUSTIN was the first answer I got -- but I had no clue (literally) about EDWINA, LGS (Huh?!), ASAHI/THISBE, SOSA, DIP (as clued), or BIALIK (never heard of him/her)/SKOSH (for some reason, never seen/heard it used).

Anonymous 2:27 PM  

Second the recommendation for Guillermo del Toro's version, so good!

Anonymous 2:27 PM  

A: stop going anywhere near crossword puzzles, and B: seek professional counseling, asap

Greater Fall River Committee for Peace & Justice 2:27 PM  

I posted this; I had no intention of being anonymous with this, the new software keeps somehow disconnecting from my google identity.

Sailor 2:43 PM  

@I. Scull is correct.The sport is "rowing" and is known as such around the globe. The people who do the rowing are the crew.

It is only in the USA that the sport is occasionally (and incorrectly) called "crew", generally by the same people who use "oar" as a verb. ;-)

Anonymous 2:44 PM  

Damn right. I'm so tired of this lack of editing.

Anonymous 2:53 PM  

I. Skull
I gather from your blog name that you are into crew I understand your cri de coeur
But I and most people doing the puzzle are not aficionados.
The puzzle doesn’t rely on what experts or in crowds say but what people in general say And they say crew team
So the answer is fine.

GY 2:53 PM  

Exactly same start for me with TYNE/TVS!

Anonymous 3:02 PM  

Extreme eye roll — you can find official university crew websites using “crew team” all over the place. You can whine “redundant!” all you want, the ship has sailed

Anonymous 3:03 PM  

Bob Mills
I thought you were unfair to the constructor and editors in your criticism.
As noted above, Hamlet’s mother the Queen. Tricky clue, but this is a Saturday after all. But of course the character is not at all obscure.

‘Tude is a thing. I have actually seen it in writing more than heard it. Way after my generation. Don’t know if it’s still current.because I don’t talk to people who would use it. Part of the Times effort to use popular slang
Since it is or was quite common, don’t think it’s obscure

Anonymous 3:07 PM  

Anonymous 9:03
As Rex said asahi appears often in the Times puzzle. So if have been doing this puzzle a long time in SSAHI goes after you get the A

jb129 3:09 PM  

Yes, I'm sorry I forgot - glad you're okay, Lewis :). We missed you & your always upbeat & cheery comments :)

Anonymous 4:13 PM  

“Tude” has been a common word for attitude for at least 30 years. It sounds stupid, but it’s incomprehensible how someone hasn’t heard it in that time. Ever heard of “rad”?

Anonymous 4:15 PM  

I know a 72-year-old who uses “tude” regularly. Of course he sounds like a…well, a retiree trying to be an ‘80s surfer dude.

Anonymous 4:18 PM  

Note to Ray: you not having heard of something don’t mean nobody has heard of it. You may want to expand your horizons a bit before picking up your next puzzle.

Anonymous 4:20 PM  

She also starred in “Blossom” and “The Big Bang Theory,” two very popular sitcoms 20-ish years apart.

Anonymous 4:42 PM  

REX PARKER IS LITERALLY ON FIRE!!

Greater Fall River Committee for Peace & Justice 5:55 PM  

Yeah, those are them. Didn't mean to be anonymous.

Anonymous 5:59 PM  

Agree! It is must see

Anonymous 6:46 PM  

i didn't like tude. for one thing i think it is spelled 'tude. and i think it is slangy enough that it should be noted in the clue.

Phil 12:27 AM  

STATIs held me up
SUBtleADS or some unknown term for it that would parse into the KALE and some form of EDuINA EDmINA EDdINA … just needed to grok the SUBWAY part and forget the subliminal ad part. Plopped in tsA as org that discourages traveling… true but wrong. Had to flash on the B and K of BIALIK to get those crosses so it was rather difficult for me

REV 4:14 AM  

This puzzle was perfection for me. A smooth groove.

Anonymous 7:04 AM  

Thank you! I remembered Colman Domingo (what a talent!) but could not think of Bayard’s last name. Had to look it up. Very crunchy puzzle today. Any constructor who can fit RECEIVABLE in with so many other gems is a true master.

Anonymous 10:36 AM  

Bayard Rustin is featured in a recent film about the March on Washington, the title of which I do not recall, and has a great line: "The day I was born black is the same day I was born gay."

Anonymous 11:14 AM  

Wattsah doover

Telvo 11:29 AM  

I liked the puzzle too, but the most puzzling part of Rex's writeup was why he used The Temptations' "I Can't Get Next To You" (which I loved hearing and watching again) in the context of his comment on the clue to 80A ("They might be said to be dancing or raging"). Was it because The Tempts were dancing, or were you linking them to James Brown's Famous Flames, or ??? Rex, please explain yourself!

GILL I. 11:12 PM  

A silly do over

Unknown 9:55 AM  

MOB BOSS and MAFIOSO share three letters.

Anonymous 7:52 PM  

Same trap. Had Howl. And then stared at it for days, trying to make it all work, and finally Bawl popped into my head. Took forever, but all the more rewarding.

Aviatrix 11:13 AM  

I was stuck in the E for a while so Googled to see if I was wrong about ROME, and then became really irritated by the anachronisms in the poem. According to the analysis sites fawning over the work, it's supposed to show the modern applicability of the sentiment, but to me it doesn't feel any different than the Roman noble reading a newspaper in a café in Gladiator II.

Aviatrix 11:20 AM  

From etymology online: The meaning "something given to appease" is from 1660s, a reference to the sops given by the Sibyl to distract Cerberus in the "Aeneid."

thefogman 12:11 PM  

Really, really hard. But I did it. Natan Last creates the toughest crosswords. This one did not disappoint.

spacecraft 3:58 PM  

There he goes again: "Easy-medium." Here's what I got: the SW/NE corridor. The other two corners? No way.

I had BA_ARDRUSTIN entirely on crosses, and still didn't even know where to put the space in that name, let alone the Y. You and I and 99.9% of solvers never heard of this person. DNF.

Wordle par.

rondo 8:42 PM  

Quickly repaired problem for me was cellphONE before TOUCHTONE; skipped a generation of phones. No other write-overs. EDWINA, MONSTO, BAYARDRUSTIN all by crosses. Fun Sat-puz.
Wordle birdie.

Anonymous 5:18 AM  

Too much junk fill for me... LYME, NOONER, EDWINA, MONSTRO, DOTTEDI,

Anonymous 5:37 AM  

Too much junk here for me... SUBWAY ADS, LYME, SOSA, BONE TIRED, said no one ever, TUDE, RANT AT, DOTTEDI, SOPS, MONSTRO. Unpleasant!

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