Western settlement area led by Brigham Young / SUN 2-26-23 / Ceramic stewpot / Screenwriter/actress Michaela / Flagella relatives / Adjust the spacing between in typography / Pancake served with sambar / Simple graphics editor informally / Onetime Yves Saint Laurent employer / Condiment drizzled on a taco / Yiddish for pancake

Sunday, February 26, 2023

Constructor: Will Nediger

Relative difficulty: Easy


THEME: "Double-Doubles" — wacky phrases made by doubling two different letters in a familiar phrase:

Theme answers:
  • CHRISTMAS CAR ROLL (23A: Slow-driving holiday parade in December?) (from "Christmas carol")
  • ADD MITT'S DEFEAT (37A: Update Wikipedia after the 2012 election?) (from "admits defeat")
  • BEE ATTITUDES (52A: Subject of study for an insect psychologist?) (from "Beatitudes")
  • "WE'LL COME, MATT" (76A: Promise from actor Damon's friends regarding his movie premiere?) (from "welcome mat")
  • "FOR THEE, ASS KING!" (88A: Words accompanying an offering to the ruler of the donkeys?) (from "for the asking")
  • MISS INN FORMATION (104A: Arrive too late to see a hotel being built?) (from "misinformation")
Word of the Day: ETRURIA (10D: Ancient Italian region) —
Etruria (/əˈtrʊəriə/) was a region of Central Italy, located in an area that covered part of what are now most of Tuscany, northern Lazio, and northern and western Umbria. [...] Rome was influenced strongly by the Etruscans even though it was separated from the early boundary of Etruria by the Silva Ciminia, the Ciminian Forest. A series of Etruscan kings ruled Rome until 509 BC, when the last Etruscan king, Lucius Tarquinius Superbus, was removed from power and the Roman Republic was established. The Etruscans are credited with influencing Roman architecture and ritual practice; it was under the Etruscan kings that important structures such as the Capitolium, Cloaca Maxima, and Via Sacra were realized. // The Etruscan civilization was responsible for much of the Greek culture imported into early Republican Rome, including the twelve Olympian deities, the growing of olives and grapes, the Latin alphabet (adapted from the Greek alphabet), architecture (such as the arch), and engineering elements such as sewers and drainage systems.

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Gonna make this a fairly short write-up today, partly because I've got teaching work to get to, but mostly because this puzzle was depressing. It felt phoned-in. MEH doesn't even begin to cover it. It was almost CYNICal. The core concept is so listless, and yields such mediocre results, that I don't fully understand why it was accepted. You add two letters ... for wackiness ... but why though? I mean, this concept is so basic that the themers really Really need to sizzle, and they barely flicker. MISS INN FORMATION? Where is the chuckle? I see you are doing things with letters, but if that's the end result, what is the point? I will give you "FOR THEE, ASS KING!" (a nice imaginary toast), and there's a kind of cleverness to ADD MITT'S DEFEAT that I kind of like, but CHRISTMAS CAR ROLL ... CAR ROLL? Really? What is that? That's not even a thing. Is it? I mean, even among wacky things, it's barely imaginable. "Hop in, we're going to a CAR ROLL!" Woof. The theme is just ... limp. Anemic. Startlingly anemic, if that's even possible. I guess those triple 9-stacks on the sides are supposed to provide some kind of distraction, some interesting non-thematic entertainment, but ... well, they're not bad, but they don't do nearly enough to make up for this non-theme. I'm gonna play STEELY DAN now, in an effort to revive my spirits.


TAHOMA!?!?! Yipes. That's a known thing? Thank god "OH, HI" was undeniable, because if you're talking about geographical stuff in the state of Washington, and you give me TA-OMA, well there's only one letter that's going in that space, and it AIN'T "H" (16D: Mount Rainier's ___ Glacier). That was the one "WTF!?" scary moment in a puzzle that was otherwise ploddingly easy. FORELIMB???  (74D: Body part that a dog uses to shake). I guess that's a technical term. I wanted paw, or maybe FOREPAW, but "limb" ... I rarely think of dogs in terms of their "limbs." Dogs shake with their paws, the way humans shake with their hands (Not Their Limbs!!). So weird. As for MSPAINT (85D: Simple graphics editor, informally) ... sigh, I get that people want to be "original" and "debut" answers because ... well, I don't know, maybe there's some feeling of satisfaction there, but it would be great if those "debut" answers were not sad garbage. To be fair, I wouldn't like MACPAINT either, but it's never appeared appeared in the NYTXW before, in case you're a constructor who's really desperate to "debut" something (Please don't)

[Hasn't been used yet!]

I've seen typographically-minded people talk about "kerning" a lot, but I don't think I've ever seen KERN as a verb, so that was interesting (92D: Adjust the spacing between, in typography). The one thing this grid really had going for it was food. Yes, let's DO LUNCH. Let's go. FRIED OKRA, yes, tacos with CREMA, yes, and then, I dunno, how about every kind of pancake you can think of, or ... maybe just DOSA and BLINI and, sure, LATKE too, since that's (apparently) Yiddish for "pancake." We can attack the rest of the pancake family some other day. The other thing this puzzle has a lot of, besides pancakes, is ass. Lots of ass. First there's PATOOT (5D: Tuchus). Then there's the ASS KING crossing the double-ASS of ASSASSIN. There were a few proper nouns I can see giving people a little trouble (REMINI, ETRURIA, COEL), but the crosses are all fair, so I can't see any of those names holding anyone up for too long. Really hope you enjoyed the "humor" involved in this whole double-doubling adventure. This was a sad week for themed puzzles overall. Monday's FUSEBOXES puzzle has looked better and better with every passing day this week. Hope tomorrow's Monday puzzle has the same tight concept, light touch, and rejuvenating energy. See you then.

Signed, Rex Parker, King of CrossWorld 

P.S. looks like it's time for another incarnation of the Boswords online crossword puzzle tournament. This time, it's the Boswords 2023 Spring Themeless League! Here's League organizer John Lieb with the details:
Registration for the Boswords 2023 Spring Themeless League is now open! This 10-week event starts with a Preseason puzzle on Monday, February 27 and features weekly themeless puzzles -- clued at three levels of difficulty -- from an all-star roster of constructors and are edited by Brad Wilber. To register, to solve a practice puzzle, to view the constructor line-up, and to learn more, go to www.boswords.org
Looks like I am going to be "competing" this time, especially since I am told you can solve each week's puzzle any time during that week. Hard to say I "don't have time" when it's just one puzzle a week and I can solve it whenever I want! Boswords puzzles are always top-notch, so this is definitely worth adding to your puzzle-solving schedule, if you are the kind of person who has a puzzle-solving schedule (you know who you are, I see you). Give it a shot.

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109 comments:

kitshef 12:19 AM  

Really resisted COEL, which is a complete ??? and seemed like it had to be wrong. But the only other thing I could put there was COEn, which would make AERIAn and that seemed even worse.

Help from previous puzzles: TONE POEM, OH HI (never heard except in crossworld).

Rex seems to have missed the extra E in FOR THEE, ASS KING, which is a) important to the theme b) much funnier than FOR THE ASS KING.

A lot of folks on this comments section bash kale. What kale is to you, OKRA is to me. There is no ‘good way’ to prepare OKRA. Just toss it straight into the compost heap, please.

Kevin 12:20 AM  

Of all the theme answers, the "We'll come, Matt" is easily the worst. The apostrophe and comma are bad enough. (I kept reading it as "Well, come [then], Matt" or something like that.) That doesn't make sense, of course, but the right answer is really unlike the others. The pronunciation of "we'll" is not at all like "wel" from "welcome." All of the other themers really don't change the sound of the phrase--just the word breaks. Iguess "Christmas Car Roll" has the same issue, but it is not as bad.

Anonymous 12:24 AM  

Meh. Not my least favorite Sunday, but not great either. The theme adds nothing to this. Missinnformation and admittsdefeat were good. The rest were okay to bad. I want to love a Sunday puzzle just once. Is that too much to ask?

Anonymous 12:28 AM  

It’s not “for the ass king” but the more humorous “for theE, ass king” which I thought was the only funny answer.

Ken Freeland 12:56 AM  

Disliked it even more than Rex. MARNI/BLINI? DOSA/ELSA?? Was this puzzle really edited? Yikes.

jae 1:19 AM  

Easy. There was some tortured theming going on here...kinda with @Rex on this one.

TSAI, TAHOMA, COEL, and SAVE STATE were WOEs.

Spelling problems: ETRURIA and REMINI

Nanosecond eating erasure: asiagO before ROMANO

Didn’t hate it.

Joe Dipinto 1:22 AM  

It's "FOR THEE, ASS KING!" – what you say to the Ass King as you are handing him his present. Which is a lot funnier than the toast you seem to be picturing.

Breakfast Tester 1:23 AM  


@Rex

I don't think this is a typo because it occurs incorrectly twice: You missed the double-E in the wacky phrase at 88A. It should be:

FOR THEE, ASS KING

egsforbreakfast 1:34 AM  

Will Nediger says BEEATTITUDES was the seed entry. This and FORTHEEASSKING are great. The others are far, far, far from great. The problem is that it is very difficult to identify possible themers. Jeff Chen admits that he can’t readily see how to program for them. So it’s just a laborious hunt and peck which, even for a constructor with Mr. Nediger’s chops, didn’t lead to much that was worthwhile.

How does one gain open acknowledgment around here? Maybe you have to buy AVOWAL.

I cry foul on 6D. Should’ve been La Mer, not ELMER.

Do you suppose a dog’s forelimb is a human’s 28 limb?

Did anyone like 42D? Just AXING.

Anonymous 3:49 AM  

It’s “For THEE Ass King” not “For the Ass King” Rex had it right in the puzzle but misstated it twice in his write up.

Grayjing 4:43 AM  

With Rex all the way on this one. Occasional cleverness but depressing theme with no payoff. Tried Asiago and Padano before ROMANO. Ugh.

Ellen 5:50 AM  

Graphic designers like to kern ...

Lewis 6:19 AM  

I’m boggled by how Will came up with these theme answers, not to mention the idea of the theme itself. Even if someone said, “Hey, take a word or phrase, and double two of its letters to wackily repurpose it,” where do you begin? Jeff Chen, in his review today, couldn’t figure out how it could have been programming, and I’d like to think it wasn’t, that somehow Will conjured these using his own brainwork – but how?

Simply amazing and wonderful.

Will knows Sundays, as this is his 21st for the NYT. He also made a Saturday grid whose design is one of the most elegant I’ve ever seen (5/22/2010). In addition, about a quarter of his puzzles have been collaborations, including seven with *our* Nancy.

Quite a cross of ASSASSIN with FORTHEASSKING.

Sunday puzzles should fall short of Saturday Hard (Saturday puzzles are long enough for Saturday Hard!), yet be well past Monday Easy, and today’s puzzle, IMO, falls in the perfect sweet spot. On top of being AGOG over how your brain came up with these, I had a lovely outing with this one, Will. Thank you!

Christopher 6:31 AM  

I pretty much knew where this one was going when I read the theme "Double-Doubles," which I knew wouldn't be an In-N-Out theme, but I was desperately hoping I was wrong (I wasn't).

Lots of pancakes in this one (blini, latke, dosa).

Etruria, Tahoma (isn't that a font?), save state, Hamm (people in the US watch soccer?), forelimb, Tsai, Marni, toff, Remini... I can't bear to finish the list of awful fill.

You know that mild sense of satisfaction when you're finished cutting your toenails? That's how I felt when I filled in the last square.

Colin 6:42 AM  

I'm with Lewis. No easy feat to come up with these, and it seems everyone (including me) doffs their hats to FOR THEE, ASS KING. At first, I was looking for more - maybe the doubled letters meant something, for example - but when one acknowledged the difficulty of coming up with any of these themers, well then... For a while, I had WILL COME, MATT, thinking of Good Will Hunting, but recognized the mistake a little while in.

I was OK with FORELIMB. And even TAHOMA... A puzzle constructor will throw in a few like these, naturally, right? No worse than any other PPP.

Hard to believe we're almost into March, but there it will be. Happy New Month, everyone!

Sallie (FullTime-Life) 6:44 AM  

I didn’t love the puzzle either, but will add that Mt Tahoma (with an H) is the Native American name for the iconic Mt Rainier, so the Glacier gets to keep the Mountain’s original name. Just, you know, probably something we should all honor. ( Maybe it’s only iconic to Pacific-Northwesterners, but it is an impressive Mountain.)

Tom T 7:03 AM  

PATOOT is also crossed by ASSort. Just sayin'.

Though I agree that MISS INN FORMATION is a clunker wacky phrase, it was the first themer I was finally able to grok, and that led to much needed progress as the solve continued.

Tom T 7:06 AM  

Wait, is that a line from the Hokey Pokey? (You put your ASS ASS IN, you take your ASS ASS out, you put your ASS ASS IN and you shake it all about.)

That's what this puzzle says it's all about.

jammon 7:10 AM  

More dreck...Misspelled words is a Sunday puzzle?

THIS EDITOR MUST GO!!!

Weezie 7:26 AM  

Thank you for sharing that - definitely good to know and honor. An acquaintance is an ultra-marathoner based in the region, and so I somewhat regularly see her photos of trail runs on that mountain. It looks magical and gorgeous.

Son Volt 8:00 AM  

Didn’t give me as much AGITA as the big guy - there was some wackiness here and I think as well filled as a Sunday sized grid could be. THE ASS KING shines especially crossing ASSASSIN. The other themers are fine - probably could have used one more to complete the goofiness.

The LILAC Time

Liked the food subtheme and the long down stacks. I NEED A NAP adjacent to STORY TIME and the ALABASTER section were really nice. No issue with TAHOMA.

KERN River

The grid layout resulted in a lot of short glue - I think Will tries his best but it does glom up the rhythm here. The threes and fours in the center are especially MEH.

So apt for current events

Overall - a pleasant enough Sunday solve.

The DAN

Tucson Rickster 8:02 AM  

I’m with @Lewis, this was a fun puzzle and I would be hard pressed to come up with another theme answer, FORTHEEASSKING, was worth the price of admission alone if not a good candidate for the Merl Reagle theme answer of the year award (alas, not a real award except in my elderly feeble mind). Merl was from Tucson BTW. I enjoyed this puzzle even with its nits that were pickable. Thank you Will for the hard work that had to go into these theme answers. Half an hour after finishing the puzzle I almost blew milk (OK OK, actually some Forteleza Tequila) out my nose remembering the afore mentioned ass king. Agree with Sallie about Tahoma, as a previous Northwesterner, that was not difficult.

Weezie 8:05 AM  

This puzzle was not for me on the whole - a few sparklers among the generally MEH-to-fine fill and oy feh did I hate the theme. I found almost all of the themers to be pretty devoid of either wit or sense and I also was surprised at their inclusion. Truly, has anyone anywhere ever heard of a CAR ROLL? Is that a thing somewhere? Or just a conceit of the constructor? This feels like a puzzle that was aimed at an audience of constructors, rather than oh the 99.5+% that comprise the rest of us.

A word in defense of MSPAINT - it’s used not infrequently to describe very poorly rendered digital art, ie, “What, did they make this in MSPAINT?!?” Also, the incredible Allie Brosh of Hyperbole And A Half used MSPAINT for her incredible blog and it was a magnificent run.

I liked being reminded that TONE POEMs exist; I liked CHAR, LILAC, and DYE all in a row; I appreciated the mental workout of eventually inferring ETRURIA from the known-to-me “Etruscans.” PATOOT was fun since we started using that word ironically in my home and now it’s stuck. I liked learning that FREON is trademarked.

Finally, Michaela COEL is a revelation and I think probably one of the most important screenwriters and actors of her generation. (Content note: brief general mention of sexual assault as a theme follows.)
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Chewing Gum is incredible; I May Destroy You (based on her experience of being sexually assaulted during the same time period as she was working on Chewing Gum) is a tour de force. It’s one of those rare shows in which surviving sexual violence centers the survivor character’s experience and gaze, and is sensitive to what we fellow survivors need and want as viewers - including ample room for rage. COEL’s work is even richer for bringing her experience as a Black working class British woman. Brilliant, painful, funny, important - I used the fast forward button liberally, but I’m so glad I was able to watch it. Highly recommend.

@Gill - thanks for the kind words about my writing, I feel the same way about yours! And yes, let’s sit together in wonder at the hardware store. The best feeling is when you’ve previously wondered at what a certain tool or piece of hardware could possibly be used for, and then you find yourself using it for a project. There are endless 3D puzzles to be found in home repair and building things.

@jberg, so sorry for your loss. May your brother-in-law’s memory be for a blessing, and I hope this time is as easeful as possible amidst all the challenges.

Anonymous 8:07 AM  

Sometimes a puzzle tells me I have a weird wheelhouse. As a former resident of Washington State, TAHOMA was a gimme, as was the mega-talented MARNI Nixon. As a typography nerd I love to KERN. And I grew up in east Texas, where I learned to love every possible way of preparing OKRA. (Not much for pancakes, though I’ll gladly attend a Seder for a good LATKE or, better yet, gefilte fish. Yum!)

Thanks to @Rex for reminding me of what an odd song “Josie” is, with all those elided phrase endings. I was a student at the University of Arkansas when Steely Dan was a thing and I could only sneer. Too caught up in post-Webern serialism. Now I find lots to enjoy in their songs. Funny how some of the stuff you loved when young loses its charm, and, rarely, some things you wrote off prematurely come back to charm and delight.

MarineO6 8:13 AM  

Didn’t like it.
I was hoping the clue for FBI wasn’t what it ended up being.
The FBI is not an intelligence gathering entity, that is up to the NSA and the CIA. FBI is law enforcement that has morphed illegally into an intel gathering service.
That is what you call missinnformation.

Anonymous 8:13 AM  

All the pancakes (LATKE, BLINI, DOSA) seem to be throwing a bone to the fact that this past week included Shrove Tuesday, the last day be for Lent begins on Ash Wednesday. Pancake feeds are a common tradition in many Christian churches, They chose that to celebrate the occasion rather than flashing your flesh bulbs to get Mardi Gras beads.

Dr.A 8:19 AM  

I knew you’d hate it but I really enjoyed it. I thought the themers were adorable. I guess I have low standards!!! Haha, but anyhoo, have a great day! And thanks as always for your write up. It’s very fun to read.

Diego 8:36 AM  

Agree with Rex, a dumbass puzzle, full of groaners, and meh fill. The NYT needs to rethink Sunday; it’s become a real bore.

GAC 8:37 AM  

ADD MITTS DEFEAT and WELL COME MATT were my favorites. Didn't like CAR ROLL and ASS KING. Really enjoyed this puzzle. How do people come up with this stuff?? I don't know, but I loved it.

SouthsideJohnny 8:52 AM  

It’s interesting - my first thought as I was doing the puzzle was “this is depressing” which was also the way Rex summarized his experience with this one. I got the first inkling right out of the gate with the nonsensical TOFF, but it really hit me with “CHRISTMAS CAR ROLL” - that’s it, you turned Christmas Carol into CAR ROLL - that’s your theme ? And then you added stuff like ETRURIA, TAHOMA, COEL, RONAN, REMINI, MARNI . . . jeez, what a mess. I slogged my way through it just in the hope that I may pick up a tidbit or two that will be useful elsewhere when I do real crossword puzzles.

I used to aspire to get better at the NYT Xword because I considered it the “Gold Standard” of CrossWorld - I even celebrated and told my friends and relatives when I completed my first Sunday grid unassisted (I bragged about that here too). Unfortunately, I’m becoming more and more convinced that the NYT is an outlier. I feel for @Z - he definitely had the solving chops and intellectual curiosity to be a NYT lifer, but apparently he succumbed to the nonsense fatigue and pretty much just bailed.

I suppose the NYT will continue to thrive just based on name recognition and momentum as basically a niche puzzle with a hardcore group of dedicated followers, but any chance of legitimately being considered the Gold Standard went out the window long ago. Hell, even Rex pans about 75% of the puzzles they publish.

Sam Ross 8:54 AM  

I don’t love Sunday puzzles generally and this was a sorta standard solving experience. Just came to comment that there’s nothing wrong with the answer MS PAINT. I don’t get the complaint. It’s in the culture. MS PAINT. It’s a thing. It’s the name of well known computer program. “Mac Paint” is not a thing. Has Rex never heard of Microsoft Paint? I’m so confused.

Anonymous 8:58 AM  

Rex the curmudgeon trying to ruin my Sunday! Won’t happen! I enjoyed this.

BobL 9:00 AM  

Fun puzzle

Megafrim 9:09 AM  

With only the BEE in place, for “subject of study for an insect psychologist” I entered BEETLEMANIA

kitshef 9:10 AM  

For anyone confused by my early comment (or Joe DiPinto's), note that Rex has since updated his blog to correctly reflect FOR THEE, ASS KING.

Anonymous 9:12 AM  

Yet another Sunday puzzle which is heavy on the derrière - this is three week’s running.

I am ASSuming this is just a coincidence.

tc

Diego 9:13 AM  

Weezie at 8:05
Thanks for reminding me of the extraordinary brilliance of Michaela Coel.
I May Destroy You is one of the best small-screen series EVER—powerful, searing stuff.
She’s a wonder!

Ken Freeland 9:14 AM  

👍👍

pmdm 9:15 AM  

Since kitshef has the first comment, I will address him first. The comment posted yesterday was quite correct. It was Z I meant, with AliasZ sticking in my mind because of all the music links associated in comments from that source.

Now for today. Knew Sharp would not like the puzzle since Sharp has had not so nice thinks to say about pins in the past. I kind of laugh at "bad" puns so I very much enjoyed today's theme answers. Even those I did not parse correctly.

Can't post any more since I have to be COVID tested soon today by the hospital in which I have an out-patient procedure scheduled this Wednesday.

Diego 9:17 AM  

Weezie at 8:05
Thanks for reminding me of the extraordinary brilliance of Michaela Coel.
I May Destroy You is one of the best small-screen series EVER—powerful, searing stuff.
She’s a wonder!

Anonymous 9:21 AM  

It took me a while to understand the theme, so I was going about the long answers phonetically. I got WELLCOMEMATT and FORTHEEASKKING first, and much preferred my solution of CHRISTMASCAR-HELL. Sadly that version didn't fit the doubles, but IMHO is far better than -ROLL

Anonymous 9:28 AM  

Easy puzzle, but I couldn’t for the life of me parse BEEATTITIDES. BE AT IT UDES? BEAT IT UDES? What’s a UDE? Never heard the word beatitudes before, and googling proved my Jewish self why :)

Anonymous 9:33 AM  

Never heard anyone say "oh hi?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=C-IvV8thrO4

Anonymous 9:37 AM  

You mean the Federal Bureau of *Investigation*?

Alrighty...

Anonymous 10:05 AM  

I've spent at least 50 days of my life in Mt. Rainier National Park and it still took me a few letters before I got TAHOMA. It's a pretty obscure glacier, except for climbers. It's only viewable via a medium-length hike from the Tahoma Creek (or Westside) Road, which in turn has been closed to the public for decades now due to past flooding.


Villager

Anonymous 10:10 AM  

So disappointing from such a creative, top-notch constructor. Is it possible that the universe (crosswordverse?) is running out of fresh ideas?

George 10:16 AM  

Found this to be unpleasant to solve, in a way that seems like it would be both widespread and obviously apparent to the editor. Don't get it.

"Add Mitt's Defeat" is good! And is SO clearly the first of these double-doubles that occurred to the constructor. And could have been part of a good puzzle. But he was unable (or unwilling to grind long enough) to find worthy company for it. And the resulting puzzle, with Christmas Car Roll and We'll Come Matt, should have been exposed on the rocks like an unhealthy Spartan infant.

Feel sorry today for the people who do the Sunday Puzz as a family, spending like an hour on it together -- let's say you have four people, thats four "man-hours" wasted; they may as well just do a 200 piece jigsaw puzzle, at least then they might actually chat and catch up with each other over the course of that hour.

Birchbark 10:17 AM  

MISSINNFORMATION -- I thought the acrostic two weeks ago was the last NYT online and was glad to be wrong, though bittersweet. It may have been a record solve at 8:47. That it fell a little too fast is offset by the fun of it, and the reward in the solution.

As for the solution, without spoiling anything, it makes sense when I review it against my own experience. And if it is a metaphor for the acrostic-solving process, it's beautiful. As such, compare it to their first NYT acrostic in the archives (available until noon March 1), and you'll see the evolution of a pair of great constructing minds.

Turns out my former personal trainer lives in nearby Scandia. He's coming over shortly for some snowshoeing in the woods and down to the river. A nice day to take advantage of all the powdery snow that fell last week. He probably has poles and will want to run, but I'm in more of an INCH BY INCH frame of mind. I suspect we'll land somewhere it the middle. It's all beautiful, even the shadows.

Anonymous 10:17 AM  

I happen to live where I can see Mt Tahoma (aka Mt Rainier) every day, so knowing that answer was my only pleasant moment in this solve. Didn’t enjoy this one.

RooMonster 10:28 AM  

Hey All !
Har. FOR THEE ASS KING... An ode to the "have to add ASS to every single puz somehow" editors of the NYTX. *Hat doff* to y'all on that one. It went past OREO status on inclusion in puzs. Next, we need to get to the clever clues step.

Something to throw on the couch?
The last thing out of bed?
In sports, "Good job!" patted spot?

How about something like "Kim Kardashian?" for ASS QUEEN.

Anyway, assfoonery aside, this was an OK puz. Took me a while to rassle down, but eventually got it to say Uncle. Had frontpaw for FORELIMB first. vEIN for SEAM, causing confusion up there.

A LAPIS gemstone is a new one on me. Apparently they are BLUE. ETRURIA is a Wha? to this non-knowing Ancient-names-of-places guy. Thankfully the crossers we're gettable. SAVE STATE... if you say so. Haven't "gamed" since the original NES. Funny when you look back at the graphics of that.

Onward with my Sunday. Just crested 100 Wordles in a row. Had 30 something, then the computer glitched, or something, and sent me back to zero. Ah well, I'm sure it'll happen again. Or else I'll miss one and start over again.

Maybe I'll get my ASS ASS IN to a restaurant and DO LUNCH.

Eight F's !
RooMonster
DarrinV

pabloinnh 10:45 AM  

I read the title, because that's what I do, and saw the double letters in CARROLL, and saw what was going on. The NW filled in in a jiffy and then I started over, which is my chief complaint with this one. It was segmented enough that I was always starting over, and the toe holds that are proper names seemed to be all proper names that I didn't know.

I thought most of the themers were fine, ADDMITTSDEFEAT being my favorite. I had trouble with what I thought were the more obscure answers which have been noted by many and dismissed by others as "common knowledge'. Not to me. Reminded me very much of a woman at out hootenannies who, after pleasing with everyone to play more familiar songs, will launch into a spirited rendition of something that leaves the rest of us mystified. She will invariably sing the whole thing and get done and say "You didn't know that? Everybody knows that one!". Maybe not wuit4 everybody.

Impressive idea and execution, WN, but I for one Won't Need another of these for a while. Thanks for a reasonable amount of Sunday fun.

mmorgan 10:56 AM  

Didn’t love this but I thought the theme answers were pleasantly clever. Those who don’t know Michaela COEL should check her out, she’s wonderful. REMINI was a total mystery to me. I don’t get the objection to MSPAINT. For a long time I refused to take out Frontpaw

lodsf 10:58 AM  

Another vote for the minority here. I kinda liked this puzzle. The theme answers were *such* groaners that they put me in mind of Merl Reagle — just the kind of thing he would come up with. (And any comparison to Mr. Regale is high praise IMO.)

Anonymous 11:04 AM  

Made me laugh out loud twice. That’s good enough for me!

Carola 11:15 AM  

Worth it for BEE ATTITUDES, with the toast to the ASS KING right behind. I enjoyed figuring them all out, though, along with other pleasures like ALABASTER, STORY TIME, and SLAPDASH. I have to admit to a conceptual DNF: I asked myself whether a CARROLL was akin to a tumbrel or other such lumbering conveyance.

Anonymous 11:21 AM  

The A in STEAM stands for architecture, not arts.

bocamp 11:36 AM  

Thx, Will, for the DDUBBS! :)

Med (altho, felt a bit tougher).

Really enjoyed sussing out the themers! Caught on early with CHRISTMAS CAR ROLL.

Lots of good stuff for learning today: TOFF; ETRURIA; TONE POEM; CREMA; REMINI; SAVE STATE; TSAI; MS PAINT; DESERET; MARNI; COEL; TAHOMA; DOSA; LAPIS.

FRiON before FREON; Front paw / Front leg before FORELIMB.

Bottom line: there was no MISSING INFORMATION, and I FARed well! :)

Fun puz! liked it a lot! :)
___
The Sat. Stumper was finished in just n. of 40, so relatively easy. Didn't know the author at 3D; had to to trust the crosses.

On to the acrostic. 🤞
___
Peace 🕊 🇺🇦 ~ Compassion ~ Tolerance ~ Kindness to all 🙏

Teedmn 11:39 AM  

MISS INN FORMATION is the best by far, for me. FOR THEE ASS KING is pretty funny, but CHRISTMAS CAR ROLL, not so much.

Post-solve Googling, Leah REMINI looks vaguely familiar but she and ROMANO (I could only think of asiAgO) held up the far SW. I make an AVOWAL that I did check letters down there which, as @Roo has found, let me see THEE correct answers down there, sigh.

I like your idea, Will Nediger, so thanks for the Sunday puzzle.

Nancy 11:42 AM  

So I had the "M" from ADAM for the 4th letter of "Update Wikipedia after the 2012 election" and I confidently wrote in OBAMA for my first word and waited to see what the rest of the wordplay answer would consist of. What a mess that was to correct!

At this point I only had gotten to CHRISTMAS CARROLL and was looking for some sort of "Right/Left" theme that would justify the doubling of the R and the L.

But when I finally corrected 37A to ADD MITTS DEFEAT (nice!!!), I now knew that left/right had nothing to with the theme and that the theme was based simply on double double letter puns. As the title had ADD MITTedly already told me.

This was great fun from beginning to end. My sometime collaborator Will Nediger has a knack for making a puzzle theme just hard and surprising enough to hold your interest and attention throughout, but not so hard that it ever becomes a slog. And he plays fair: the themer clues contain all the info you need for the answers to make sense once you get them, but you can't ever see them coming before you have at least a few crosses.

All the themer puns are great, but BEE ATTITUDES, and the way it was clued, was my favorite.

A very entertaining puzzle made by an obvious pro. Thanks for the treat, Will!

pabloinnh 11:46 AM  

To those of you who found the Acrostic to be the easiest in memory, I will say: me too.

Also the mystery word in my earlier post should be "quite". Touch typing on the wrong row produces interesting results, and lousy vision is not helpful for proofreading.

Marty 12:08 PM  

I can’t despise a puzzle more than this one.. I feel like I should have been paid to work through this unenjoyable slog… damn streak made me do it. Aaahhh… that felt better.

Beezer 12:15 PM  

Well, I guess I’m stymied as to why blog solvers would find the puzzle unpleasant or a waste of time. I GUESS I accept this puzzle might be MEH within the context of other Will N puzzles. For me, it kind of played out like my Saturday experience, that is feeling a lot of WOE as I circle around, then AHA moments eventually leading to completion. I found it satisfying and the “double doubles” charmingly corny.

News flash…POSSIBLY coming to a mountain near you…the renaming of Mt. Rainier to Mount Tahoma. Like the Mt. McKinley/Denali situation, the native North Americans called the mountain Tahoma. I was REALLY surprised at @Rex’s reaction to THAT!

My OHHI moments are typically when I run out earlier than usual to the grocery, barely comb my hair, and feel like a ragamuffin. Yeah. And I run into someone who is an acquaintance and has ONLY seen me “gussied up.” Oh hi. 🙄

@weezie and @Gill…I’d like to join you at the hardware store! If I had a choice between a candy store and a hardware store, NO contest!

Anonymous 12:18 PM  

I agree. Unlike Rex, I throughly enjoyed this puzzle.

mathgent 12:19 PM  

I seldom do the Sunday, but when I learned it was by Will Nediger, I printed it up. So happy I did. Loved all six themers. And they were all made from a familiar phrase with TWO of its letters doubled. Awesome.



Joseph Michael 12:41 PM  

I’m trying to pretend I didn’t just read all of those negative comments about this puzzle. I usually find Sundays to be a slog, but enjoyed this one a lot from start to finish. Well, all right I didn’t enjoy TOFF, but everything else after that. Great job, Will.

Favorite themer by far was BEE ATTITUDES which was apparently the seed for the puzzle. I imagine that a lot of bees must be in therapy these days as they face climate changes that threaten their existence.

Be nice to your neighborhood bees.

Plant sunflowers.

Anonymous 12:49 PM  

https://www.invent.org/blog/trends-stem/stem-steam-defined

CDilly52 1:08 PM  

Hand up fir proper punctuation!!

CDilly52 1:11 PM  

@egs 1:34AM. LOL!! “Buy AVOWAL is better than all of the themers with the exception of BEE ATTITUDES and FOR THEE, ASS KING!

CDilly52 1:16 PM  

Will Nediger is my current favorite Sunday constructor and I am astonished at his ability to come up with enough of a theme to make a puzzle. While there are some MEH places for sure, the construction prowess is enough for me.

I do wish punctuation carried more weight, but that’s just me. OH, HI fellow punctuation and grammar lovers! Easy and kind of funny, and ok.

Canon Chasuble 1:26 PM  

By a curious coincidence, last night I was reading "Victorian and Edwardian Scotland from old Photographs" by the Scottish Archivist C.S. Minto, and discovered photo No. 15 (there is no pagination in the book) depicting an ice cream seller with his cart. The caption reads "Hokey Pokey. Ice cream seller in the Royal Mile. c. 1895....Edinburgh's famous thoroughfare from the Castle to Holyroodhouse." The words painted on his cart are "Hokey Pokey."




Anonymous 1:53 PM  

Agree with RFL today. Totally depressing. I like my Sunday paper to uplift me, not depress me.

Nancy 2:04 PM  

@GILL and Beezer and Weezie -- You all want to meet up at a...hardware store of all places???!!!!

I'm sure there must be a good reason -- but I'm pretty hard pressed to think of one:)

Masked and Anonymous 2:30 PM  

har. Well, I might have to grunt a little, too call it grreat -- but I thought it was tottally acceptable SunPuz fare.
Theme is pretty funny. Stuff sorta like: {Took singer Vikki's hard-earned record royalties?} = ?*, huh?
Works for m&e.
fave themer: FOR THEE, ASS KING. Long overdue respect, for the ruler of the donkeys.

staff weeject pick: CEL. Liked it's clue. And CLUE has the letters for CEL in it. Yeah … didn't think that added a whole lotta justification, either.

Puzgrid had some juicy 9-stacks, along the sides. But my faves didn't include many of em. faves: SLAPDASH. ASSASSIN [a.k.a AS A SIN, in this here puz universe]. PATOOT. MORELATER. And, from them side stacks: INEEDANAP.

Thanx for the loong hunk of fun, Mr. Nediger dude. Nice job.

Masked & Anonymo4Us

p.s.
* = USED CARR LOOT.

biter alert:
**gruntz**

Anonymous 2:31 PM  

Came here to clarify regarding Tahoma! Maybe PNW knowledge, but agree it's something to honor!

Anonymous 2:42 PM  

Totally disagree. Fried okra is terrific.

Chris 2:49 PM  

Really surprused at the vitriol. I thought it was good fun. Loved most of the themers.

Seth 2:57 PM  

I'll jump on the "can't believe Rex has never heard of MS Paint" train. It was a really well-known computer program. It's still talked about online to refer to poorly-made graphics. It's a really good entry. Rex, you missed the mark on this one!

Joe Dipinto 3:04 PM  

We really do need to play this.

Song For The Ass King

Here is my song for thee, Ass King
Ask me and I will play
So sweetly, I'll make you smile

This is my tune for thee, Ass King
Take it, don't turn away
I've been waiting all my life

Thinking it over, I've been sad
Thinking it over, I'd be more than glad
To change my ways for thee, Ass King

Ask me and I will play
All the love that I hold inside

Hm hm hm hm for thee, Ass King
Hm hm hm hm hm hm hm
Hm hm Hm. Hm hm hm hm.

Donna 3:05 PM  

Liked beeattitudes for the actual bees, but, as an atheist, had no clue as to what it otherwise meant. Jews and atheists, gotta love the pollinators!

Shecky Wormwood 4:02 PM  

I'm not mad at this one. KERN, no idea. COEL, nope. PATOOT, you mean PATOOTIE? That's something I've heard. Know TAHOMA only because I live in western WA. Got the theme pretty quick but had a few sticky spots and because there were two sets of double letters seeing one set didn't necessarily always help. I think it took me a little longer than an average Sunday and I got a chuckle out of a couple of the theme answers, I think MISSINNFORMATION was the last one I got and it's a total dad joke but that's kind of up my alley. CARROLL, no. Overall, I was good with it.

Beezer 4:11 PM  

@Nancy…ha! Well, I can’t speak for @weezie and GILLI but I have a love of the satisfaction of fixing things myself and small DIY projects. I like imagining what I could do with. Dremel and other small power tools plus just the regular hand tools. I can go through cabinetry hardware and think maybe I’ll update all kitchen cabinet knobs. Looking at my doors and thinking, I’ll switch from door knobs to levers, and should it be brass or another finish? Not too long ago I was strolling through the store and saw really cool floor register grates, and replaced all the ones in main living area. My guess is, you either have that desire or you don’t. I used to do much bigger projects but at +65 my strength has diminished (and I have always been pretty slight of frame). I also take going up ladders pretty seriously now…🤣
PS…for some reason I can still swing my tennis racket fairly well, but I notice I can’t often create the bullets I used to.

kitshef 4:42 PM  

Most excellent, @Joe Dipinto 3:04

Joe 4:56 PM  

“For thee, Ass King”…LMAO

Bob Mills 5:17 PM  

The clue is "Update on a gamer's progress." and the answer is SAVESTATE. Can any living human explain this satisfactorily?

Nancy 5:25 PM  

Funny, @Joe D! (3:04) I wouldn't have thought to make that connection before you did. But when you did, I thought: Yes, of course!

But shouldn't we give those poor deprived souls who don't know Simon and Garfunkle the chance to hear the wonderful source of your spoof?

@Beezer (4:11)-- You put me to shame. Obviously I was gifted with a plethora of completely IMpractical talents and you were gifted with all the practical ones.

I had thought originally that @Birchbark would be the best person on the blog to be trapped with during a environmental emergency of some sort or other -- but now I'm thinking maybe you are:)

Anonymous 5:26 PM  

He never said he hadn’t heard of it

JC66 5:36 PM  

@Nancy

The song is in the first line of @Joe D's 3:04 post.

Liveprof 6:10 PM  

Joe Dipinto 3:04 -- hysterical -- over the top. Made my day.

Beezer 6:23 PM  

@Nancy…good call on @Birchbark! I may be an environmental attorney, but I would count on @Birchbark for the appropriate tools. I’m sure they exceed my meager fixit and DYI level! 😀

Nancy 6:28 PM  

JC66 -- Oops. Such a teensy-tiny blue "here". Missed it.

Anonymous 6:51 PM  

Baby okra, no larger than your little finger, tossed with salt and olive oil and grilled.

dgd 6:54 PM  

Surprised anyone would be upset by Hamm. The name has been in the Times puzzle very often. She is otherwise very well known. I myself never watch soccer, and sports in general very rarely but I knew of her. Besides there is a lot more interest in soccer in the US than there used to be. She will appear again.

Birchbark 7:04 PM  

@Beezer (6:28) & @Nancy (5:25) -- Hopefully, we'll never have to test these observations -- But the tools are mostly there. As for the talent: well, let's just say I swear more than I should until it's good enough.

Gary Jugert 7:09 PM  

Well, the Monday puzzle just showed up and I finally finished the Sunday after life got in the way again.

ASS KING and PATOOT.

As with most Sundays, I did not enjoy this puzzle. Glad it's over. But I am super excited for Monday's.

Uniclues:

1 Making latté art.
2 Audio-visual equipment owned by guns for hire go to Panera.
3 ABC Nightly News with David Muir in brief.

1 STYLING CREMA CHASERS
2 ASSASSIN TVS DO LUNCH (~)
3 A LOT OF WARS. MORE LATER.

JC66 7:12 PM  

@Nancy

No problem, I got to listen to the song twice. ;-)

dgd 7:17 PM  

Hoover and subsequent heads did do a lot of illegal actions but I don't think intelligence work was or is illegal per se. I do know that the FBI did intelligence work almost from inception Under Hoover the FBI was utterly incompetent in intelligence work especially during during WWII. Since then it has spent most of its time on the wrong targets like ignoring the KKK and spying on MLK.

dgd 7:22 PM  

Agreed!

Anonymous 8:22 PM  

South side Johnny,
I’m curious how you know Z had the solving chops?
I never saw him at a tournament or a video of him solving. He my we’ll be a terrific solver. Or maybe just a big mouth.
How could you possibly know?

Anonymous 8:25 PM  

I did a little less internet sleuthing than usual for a Sunday, but here was a one-stop shop resource I used: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_pancakes

Anonymous 7:50 AM  

Ever since Frozen 2 (3 years ago), there is only one queen of Arandelle, and it's not ELSA.

Anonymous 5:30 PM  

I agree completely. After slogging halfway through, I threw the puzzle across the room! Enough.

Anonymous 10:05 PM  

Me too

Anonymous 10:13 PM  

👍

Anonymous 10:20 AM  

Liked SteelyDan guitar music.

spacecraft 12:40 PM  

I know perfectly well what a KERN is. It's that thing Ed Norton wants to flip to see who goes foist. (Also a music-making Jerome.)

Agreed that most of the themers are MEH, but FORTHEEASSKING does stand out. Unfortunately, the crossing ASSASSIN provides a bit too much PATOOT in one place.

Still, the fill contains no real groaners. OHHI elicits a frowny FACE from me, because of an old sales job, where I was instructed to say (to the outrageously-assumed WOMAN answering the door): "OH. HI, it's the mister I wanted to see." This was to determine that he'd be home, so the encyclopedia--yeah, I know, *groan*--could be jointly decided upon. You can see why this is a sour memory. But that's not the constructor's fault. Par.

Wordle birdie; nice last nine: 244 433 433 for a 30. I'll take it.

Geome 2:10 PM  

Addmittsdefeat? Beeattitudes?Missinnformation?AssKing? These are brilliant.
To all of those who gave up in disgust, threw the puzzle across the room and - in general - fell into depression...get a life...Admit you couldn't complete the puzzle and move on...

Burma Shave 4:33 PM  

KEEPER CLOSE

I GOIN for PATOOT from MARNI and CHAR,
those STYLING CHASERS I won't be AXING.
The ACTION's great as their ATTITUDES are,
"MORELATER, WE'LLCOME FORTHEEASSKING."

--- "STEELY"DAN ROMANO

rondo 7:27 PM  

A few of them were wacky enough. Some of those unknown names came in areas where I could have used some help.
Wordle birdie with a BBBBB start.

Anonymous 11:32 AM  

Staring at WELLCOMEMATT without getting it until reading the blog reminded me of a proofreader I knew who said he didn’t care for xword puzzles because they pretended things like punctuation and accents didn’t exist.

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