Performer's grand slam in modern parlance / THU 9-30-21 / Calif school that's about 20 miles from the Mexican border / Major Chinese internet company / Pregnancy hormone / Acqua cause of annual flooding in Venice

Thursday, September 30, 2021

Constructor: Rich Proulx

Relative difficulty: Medium


THEME: SOUND MIXING (57A: Academy Awards category eliminated in 2021 ... or a hint to interpreting four clues in this puzzle) — familiar two-word (or two-part) phrases clued as the "mixing" of two "sounds," i.e. as equations following this pattern: [sound] + [sound] = [regular clue]:

Theme answers:
  • TWITTER BUZZ (17A: [Birds] + [Bees] = P.R. campaign goal)
  • HUMDRUM (26A: [Lightsaber] + [Impatient fingers] = Boring)
  • RING POP (36A: [Cellphone] + [Bubble] = Edible accessory)
  • LOW ROLL (48A: [Cow] + [Thunder] = Snake eyes, e.g.)
Word of the Day: RELAXIN (44D: Pregnancy hormone) —

Relaxin is a protein hormone of about 6000 Da first described in 1926 by Frederick Hisaw. ["Da" = Dalton, "a unit used in expressing the molecular weight of proteins, equivalent to atomic mass unit."]

The relaxin-like peptide family belongs in the insulin superfamily and consists of 7 peptides of high structural but low sequence similarity; relaxin-1 (RLN1), 2 (RLN2) and 3 (RLN3), and the insulin-like (INSL) peptides, INSL3INSL4INSL5 and INSL6. The functions of relaxin-3, INSL4, INSL5, and INSL6 remain uncharacterised. [...] In the female, it is produced by the corpus luteum of the ovary, the breast and, during pregnancy, also by the placentachorion, and decidua.

In the male, it is produced in the prostate and is present in human semen. (wikipedia)

• • •

So you're telling me MOOROLL is not a thing?

I didn't know SOUND MIXING was an Academy Award to begin with, so the MIXING part was weirdly hard for me to get at the end. I had DESIGN in there at first. Then tried to cram in EDITING. But MIXING much better expresses the whole sound equation thing happening in the theme clues today, which I think basically works—that is, these themers are all phrases made out of the combination ("mixing") of two sounds. The equation gimmick is clever, even if the themers do end up essentially double-clued. I can imagine the theme clues being written with the first part dropped entirely, such that the revealer would cause you to look back and notice, "oh, right, those are indeed two sounds mixed together," but I think it's more fun to have the weird sound equation thing going on. It puts the theme into the mix, allowing it to be visible and relevant to the solve throughout the puzzle instead of just something you notice at the end. It makes the theme a lot easier to crack than usual, but the difficult-ish cluing overall, as well as two terms I've never seen in my life, made the overall solving experience reasonably Thursday-ish in the end. 


Not only had I never heard of BAIDU (12D: Major Chinese internet company) or RELAXIN, I had no way of inferring any part of those answers, any single letter, and so working the crosses was really harrowing. If even one went wrong, or was at all ambiguous, I was going to be in a hell of a lot of trouble. As for the BAIDU crosses, the only one that seems at all potentially problematic is ABE—maybe you aren't familiar with old NYC mayors—but I don't know what else the name could be with an A_E pattern. Doubtful any mayor was ever named ACE or AXE. As for RELAXIN, the weak link there is SNERT—a familiar bit of crosswordese to anyone who's been solving the puzzle since the 20th century, but not exactly a name that is current or *at all* inferrable. I can definitely see the Hagar the Horrible-ignorant among us going for some different letter in the "N"'s place ... though I can't really imagine what that letter would be. Looks like -IN is the most common hormone name ending, so maybe the "N" was more inferrable than I thought. Anyway, I got everything right. BAIDU and RELAXIN were just completely new to me, and particularly hard to get (not surprisingly, neither one has ever been an entry in the NYTXW before).


The fill is a little rough in places. The whole NW and N is kind of a wreck (ALTA ADMIN ANNO + ASSOC USBS LSU all abbrev-clustered together there). OXES is a pretty awful stretch (34D: Dumb ___ (buffoons)). AS A PIN is bottom-of-the-barrel stuff, even (especially?) with the cutesy "?" clue (24A: Neat analogy?). I have heard of data mining, but never thought of a single DATA MINER as a thing (I'm imagining someone at their keyboard with overalls and a little lamp helmet on). My only complaint there is that I think of data mining as much more nefarious / surveillance-y than simply "searching for patterns in the statistical noise," so the answer itself bums me out a little. I would normally be very bummed out by LIZ Cheney as well, but since she's vociferously anti-Trump (and anti-Trumpist), I'm gonna let her pass. I wrote her in first as LYN, but that's her mom (spelled "Lynne"). I guess "DO" is duped in "YES I DO" and UPDO, but I really DO not care. Really liked COZY UP TO and "I'M ALL OUT" . This feels like the first puzzle I've (mostly) liked in a while. A harbinger of a good weekend ahead (I'm choosing to believe).

Signed, Rex Parker, King of CrossWorld

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136 comments:

okanaganer 2:09 AM  

I never heard of RING POP...I got it from the crosses, and was looking at it thinking "what the f*** is RING POP?" TWITTERBUZZ was great, the other themers not so much.

I'M TOAST! I'M ALL OUT! But YES I DO!

Really put off by two college abbrev's: LSU (ick) and, worse SDSU (yiuick). I really hate them ^%&%*$ college abbrevs. Please, constructors and editors, avoid them, they are the worst. Abbrev's bad; college abbrev's worse.

I have briefly been a DATA MINER and it was fun, in a pirate hacker kind of way: harvesting email addresses for our company from a public list. Typing code, making a "heh heh heh" sound and shifting my eyes back and forth. Then back to my regular job, writing marketing crap for our website.

[SB: QB yd and td (wed); AFAIK never had 3 in a row so here's hoping for thurs!]

chefwen 2:29 AM  

Took me a while to figure out what he was getting at with those crazy equations, i think the light switched on with the DRUM in HUMDRUM, RING POP followed shortly after. AHA, I get it, YES I DO! Had the most difficulty in the SE. DATA MINER, SOUND MIXING, RELAXIN needed a lot of crosses. Never heard of RELAXIN, sounds like something I do with a glass of wine. Just about every letter I tried was a bad guess. Thanks for all the help PLANE RIDE, EGOT and good old SNERT.

This was fun.

okanaganer 2:31 AM  

Forgot to add: @Rex: "Doubtful any mayor was ever named ACE or AXE" made me laugh out loud. I was just watching the PBS American Experience docu on Hearst, who ran for that office.

jae 2:41 AM  

Easy-medium. Me too for RELAXIN, BAIDU and ALTA (as clued) as WOEs. The only other problems were spelling related...it always takes me a couple of passes to get ECZEMA and I briefly had the wrong (@ Rex) Cheney. Cute, liked it a bunch!

SharonSK 2:44 AM  

@Rex thanks for the chuckle "...little lamp helmet" The clue for 60 across was fun, once I got the answer wit crosses.
I got 26a from the "boring"/ Could not think what sound a light saber would make, nor impatient fingers - wanted them snapping. I just watched part of The first Sat Wars on Tv last night, or was it the night before. Anyway seemed like there was sort of slashing closing noise when the "blades" met but don't remember any humming.

Anonymous 5:18 AM  

This felt like what we should expect from NYT in terms of quality and skill, but seems to be appearing rather infrequently. Really enjoyed this solve--tough but fair in places and I liked the a-ha moment of the theme. Bravo!

oceanjeremy 5:34 AM  

I wasn’t sure if Beame was a first name or last name, so I stared at that ABE BAIDU cross for forever. Felt like a giant middle finger to the solver.

Loved the puzzle right up until that, my final square to fill in, then I hated the puzzle as I ran the alphabet (making it a technical DNF).

I’m sure BAIDU is a WOE for most folks. And as for Mayor Beame, well… by some definitions I am “middle aged” and this mayor died before I was born. So, yeah, ending here felt like the puzzle was flipping me the bird.

Great way to ruin a great puzzle. You always remember most strongly your last experience. Which means that, for all that’s good about this puzzle, in the end I just hated it.

Conrad 5:47 AM  


I got into trouble right from the get-go with 1A sysop. And I was too confident of that to let it go. I had no clue on Acqua ALTA, and from the incorrect s decided 3D had to be stage[something]. My other big hang-up was OpinE for hold forth at 43A. The rest of the puzzle was a fairly easy Thursday. I'd never heard of RELAXIN (love @chefwen's comment on that), but I was able to dredge up BAIDU with a few crosses. I basically agree with @Rex's Medium rating.

Adam12 5:54 AM  

Rex teased at the COW/MOO/LOW connection but didn’t reveal. Please help, can’t sleep.

bocamp 6:27 AM  

Thx Rich, for a perfectly SOUND Thurs. puz! :)

Med.

It's nice to be on the right wavelength occasionally. Didn't even get MIXed up. lol

Coasted smoothly all the way on this one.

Used to make go-KARTS, using anything we could find for wheels (old roller skates, wagons, etc). Raced them on the next street over (a dead-end with an ideal slope). The neighbors were good sports.

A fun solving adventure. Liked it a lot! :)
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yd pg -2

Peace ~ Compassion ~ Tolerance ~ Kindness to all 🕊

David Fabish 6:45 AM  

@okanaganer, a RINGPOP is a plastic ring with a hard candy "jewel". You can wear the ring and suck on the candy, which will then proceed to get stuck to anything it comes in contact with, including clothes, furniture, and other people...

Frantic Sloth 6:49 AM  

Pretty straightforward stuff, but I liked it! Gimme a clever, tight theme with some fresh fill and I'm a happy sloth.
This is quite an accomplishment on the Thursdee lately, too.

Also, I was weirdly pleased when OXES appeared at 34D (Dumb ____ (buffoons). Had OX _ _ , read the clue and prayed "please don't be OXEn. Please don't be OXEn...Aaaah, yes!"

Another pro at the helm, another fine example crosswizardry.



🧠🧠
🎉🎉🎉

Anonymous 7:04 AM  

@Adam 12. I'm of no help. I had MOO-CLAP

kitshef 7:25 AM  

Really liked the theme.

Little PPP-laden corners were irksome (ABE/BAIDU/EPSOM and WEN/LIZ/LA LAW).

I wonder why go-kart, rather than go-cart?

Multilingualism at a premium today: DULCE, ANNO, BUENAS, ALTA, BAIDU.

Anonymous 7:28 AM  

Agreed!

thfenn 7:31 AM  

Awake before ASTIR, mAmAS before PAPAS, and ucsd before SDSU held me up but what was toughest was cows not mooing and birds not tweeting. Thought TWEETERBUZZ looked just fine for a long time, lol, and now prefer it. Twitter just isn't for me, but birding sure is. Fun Thursday, and doing it without any help from google gets me all ASTIR.

Trey 7:40 AM  

I really liked the theme and most of the answers chosen to fit. Had no idea that LOW had anything to do with a cow, but snake eyes are a LOWROLL by definition and WIZEN seemed right

I “knew” BAIDU from NPR (probably Market Place) and hoped the spelling was correct.

Biggest issue was SE corner. Did not know RELAXIN (maybe heard it in medical school decades ago, maybe not). Had O_ATE (could not immediately see the answer from the clue) and aRIE (knew the name but not the spelling). This made it difficult to see RELAXIN. Lots of head banging and rethinking each letter finally opened it up.

Twangster 7:40 AM  

Surprised they didn't go with "______ at the Camarillo" for 13D.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relaxin%27_at_Camarillo

amyyanni 7:46 AM  

RELAXIN also new to me. Oats instead of OXES for too long. Isn't it oxen?? Still fast and fun Thursday. How long until Lin-Manuel is an EGOT?

Kevin 7:47 AM  

Ring Pops were definitely one of the more desirable candies of my youth — maybe it’s more of a regional thing?

And as for school abbreviations, I think they’re pretty valid as clues — I’d argue that far more people are familiar with “LSU” than “Louisiana State University”. Same thing for UNC, USC, etc.

Kevin 7:48 AM  

Yeah, that one’s completely lost on me as well.

Son Volt 7:55 AM  

Liked it for the most part. Cute theme - agree on some questionable fill. LOW ROLL was the flat one - liked HUM DRUM. The DOWN ARROW, MAIN STAGE, IM TOAST stack was fantastic. You can keep OXES and even worse TUTEE. ABE Beame is fabled in NYC history for being the mayor during the tough mid 70s and was the butt of the Daily News headline - “Ford to City - Drop Dead”. Definitely puzzle worthy.

Saw Bob Marley at the Apollo when we were freshman. The place was smoky that night but a cool scene.

Enjoyable Thursday solve.

Z 7:59 AM  

Okay, first my nits. Acqua ALTA, isn’t that just “high water?” High water “causes” flooding? Sort of like saying being old causes aging. Second, did the NYT win over 125 Pulitzers or did people writing for the NYT win the awards? I knew exactly where the sycophancy was going and my eyebrows arched so hard it hurt. Third, Bobby DARIN. Love me some Three Penny Opera. Musical performers from before I was born not so much. Yeah Yeah, Bobby DARIN is probably still crossworthy, but he and ABE Beame in the north gave this puzzle a very geriatric vibe.

But overall 👍🏽👍🏽. The theme clues were getting the side eye until I sussed out was going on and then I liked the concept. Hand up for wondering how “moo” was going to work until I remembered that cows LOW. Also, once I sussed out the theme the solve went by lickety split.

Dumb OXES made me smile. Why are buffoons OXES and not OXEn? English. But “dumb OXES” is most definitely the correct phrase and I love it.

Irene 8:01 AM  

USDS and BDSU?
Really?

What is a ringpop?

mmorgan 8:07 AM  

I also never heard of BAIDU or RELAXIN but for me they were so gettable from crosses that I barely saw them — and both just sounded right. And who could ever forget ABE Beame?

JD 8:07 AM  

Didn't know that the sound a drum made was drum. Thought it was tap. And didn't know that "the cattle are lowing" meant they were doing a low moo.

But they crossed-filled in, so no problem there. It was Sound Editing that held things up til the fog lifted.

Apparently Sound Editing and Mixing were combined as an award into a single category, Best Sound. So they were both eliminated, right? Or neither.

@okanaganer, I'm not the only one here who writes stupid crap for a website! I 'mine' Google Analytics to see what search terms people are using and then slathered them liberally into the copy so people will find us. Hilarious that we both think of it as stupid crap! You made my day.

Cankee Yanuck 8:08 AM  

I found this pretty easy for a Thursday, although I had never heard of BAIDU or RELAXIN either. And was totally with Rex on trying to make sense of mooROLL. COZYUPTO is a great phrase and WIZEN is a great word, although I'm more used to seeing its adjective form, wizened. Never sure what is and isn't considered a duplicate, but was a bit surprised by IMTOAST and IMALLOUT. The puzzle also made me wonder for the first time about why we consider pins to be neat, so I looked it up: grammarist.com/idiom/neat-as-a-pin/.

"Neat as a pin means tidy, free of dirt, orderly. The phrase neat as a pin may also be rendered as neat as a new pin, which is somewhat more common in British English. The idiom neat as a pin may have come to us from at least two different sources. First, the word neat was derived from the Middle French word net, which means clear or bright. This would account for the comparison between something clean and a bright, shiny pin. The second possible influence on the development of the idiom neat as a pin is an older common saying that was popular during the 1600s: “As fine as fippence, as neat as nine pence.” It is easy to see how the idiom could have evolved from “neat as nine pence” to neat as a pin. The idiom neat as a pin first came into use in the very late 1700s."

On a side note, I was reading the comments from Sunday's puzzle and noticed a couple of people mentioned the title should appear on the website. When I go to the site, the title is right at the top, where "The Crossword" appears on Monday to Saturday, so I'm not sure if I'm misunderstanding the issue.

Z 8:10 AM  

@Irene - There’s a picture of two RINGPOPs in Rex’s write-up. And USBS as in USB driveS and SDSU as in San Diego State University. USBS have disappeared with the arrival of cloud storage, but were dirt cheap and common a decade ago. As for SDSU and LSU, university initialisms don’t bug me all that much because the clues usually make them easy enough to figure out and they are very convenient as fill.

noni 8:23 AM  

The sound cow's make is called a low.

TheMadDruid 8:28 AM  

“Lowing” is mooing.

TheMadDruid 8:30 AM  

I’ve heard dumb ox or dumb as an ox a million times in my life. Maybe it’s a dated phrase.

pabloinnh 8:33 AM  

BAIDU, no, RELAXIN, no, ARIE, no (which made that particular cross sheer guesswork), but Spanish and SNERT to the rescue! Huzzah!

I wish people would stop complaining about things in puzzles that date from before the time they were born. Lots of history would be eliminated if we followed this line of thinking.

As for LOW, please sing this to the tune of the chorus in "Hobo's Lullaby":

Not a cradle but a manger,
There's a new star in the sky
Can't you hear the cattle LOWing?
That's the Christ child's lullaby.

I wrote and sang that as part of a Christmas concert performed by my choral group. There's more of course, but that's the relevant part.

I thought this was a way cool concept and lots of fun. Thanks for a very nice Thursday, RP, this was a Real Peach.

JD 8:38 AM  

@Ω, Aging causes Wizen(ing). I was otherwise engaged for a while. When did you become Ω, if you don't mind my asking
I didn't get the memo.

Someone Unable to Use a Search Engine 8:47 AM  

What’s EGOT ?

Rube 8:51 AM  

Agree but is USC Gamecocks or Trojans? Oooo just noticed lewd similarity between those two.

rjkennedy98 9:03 AM  

This puzzle was too much fun! My favorite part was putting down MOO ROLL first off the one O in ON ICE, thinking it was some poker term I didn't know. I even rationalized it thinking that the snake eyes look like the two 0s in MOO!

Also, how cool is it that there is a hormone called RELAXIN! Can I get a prescription for it?

My only issue was that SE corner which had nasty crosswordese (SNERT and EGOT), and unkowns ARIE and RELAXIN. But eventually I got PLANE RIDE and DATA MINER so it sorted itself out. Even that corner can't take away from this fantastic puzzle.

bocamp 9:03 AM  

SDSU is 4-0 and knocking on the door of the top 25 (NCAA Football).

@okanaganer (2:09 AM) 👍 for QB dbyd & yd

🤞for today's (and three in a row).

@pabloinnh (8:33 AM)

Loved your LOWllaby. :)

@Someone Unable to Use a Search Engine (8:47 AM)

"EGOT, an acronym for the Emmy, Grammy, Oscar, and Tony Awards, is the designation given to people who have won all four awards.[1][2] Respectively, these awards honor outstanding achievements in television, recording, film, and theatre.[3] Achieving the EGOT has been referred to as the "grand slam" of show business.[1][4] As of 2020, 16 people have accomplished this feat.[5]" (Wikipedia)
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td pg -4

Peace ~ Compassion ~ Tolerance ~ Kindness to all 🕊

Carola 9:18 AM  

Add me to the admirers of this clever, creative theme, with its terrific repurposing of sound pairs into phrases that take us into a completely different, non-sound realm. In the "never satisfied" department, I only wished that the reveal could somehow have nodded to the transformation: the sounds are mixed, but their product isn't sounds any more. Anyway, terrific brain wave to see this opportunity and come up with those four solid expressions. Plus MAIN STAGE, DOWN ARROW, COZY UP TO, I'M TOAST, and the to me hilarious news that anything about pregnancy is RELAXIN.

RooMonster 9:26 AM  

Hey All !
Nit time! How is ORATE Hold forth? My one-letter DNF spot. RELAXIN? If you say so. I had OvATE/vELAXIN. Clue ORATE better next time, Rich. 😁

Also 35A. What? Someone explain DOG to me as that answer.

NE corner was tough, with three unknowns to me, ABE, SAP, BAIDU, but did get that corner right.

I feel sad for the peeps who don't know about a RINGPOP. You were deprived as a child. One of the better things when you were a kid. PIXI STIX up there, also. And Gummy Fish at the Five and Dime store, for 2¢ apiece. (Started at 1¢ apiece, damn inflation!)

Rex missed the to "I'm"s. If you mention the DOs, be consistent and mention the IMs. Just sayin. 😁

A neat theme idea, liked the sound/word conflagration. Sort of a toughie, but doable. WIZEN seems like it means "Knows a lot as one ages", not "Shrivel from age." Asking for a knowledgeable friend.

No F's! (As much as I think seeing Z's in puzs is cool, I don't like when they outnumber F's)(Weird? Yes, yes TIS.) 🤪
RooMonster
DarrinV (Or DARIN V)

oceanjeremy 9:29 AM  

CORRECTION! His term as mayor ended before I was born. He was very much still alive into my early 20s.

But I’ve lived in NYC for 20 years and I’ve never encountered his name before. This is some obscure junk crossing even more obscure junk. No me gusta.

Whatsername 9:42 AM  

Do I feel ALL aBUZZ over this clever Thursday? Why YES I DO! Fun and the very best kind of challenge, one which starts out making you STEW a bit but then as you DRUM your way into the MAIN part of the grid, you begin to think maybe you might just ACE it after all. I love when that happens.

Couldn’t help but notice 9D and 31A all COZY on the UP and UP together, perpetuating the recent trend of duplicate entries, or that SUCK up was a logical answer to “ingratiate.” Started out with my [bubble] being a POD and briefly considered TIDE at 36A before realizing only a SAP would consider that an Edible.

And then there’s poor beleaguered LIZ Cheney ON ICE in the SW. She may not be TOAST yet but that ice is getting awfully thin. Not a big fan but I do admire her tenacity in the face of tremendous opposition from her [ahem] PEER group.

EdFromHackensack 9:44 AM  

Jeremy - dude, ABE Beame died in 2001. If you are “middle-aged” at 20, there are a ton of people in this group that are ancient, including myself who remembers clearly when Abe was in office. Didn't know BAIDU or RELAXIN, but got them with the crosses. Finished with no errors. GREAT theme, took awhile to figure it out. Thank you Rich

Every Sarcastic Mother 9:50 AM  

Nothin says RELAXIN like the process of childbirth.

Fansince1939 9:54 AM  

Christmas hymn “Away in a Manger”: “…the cattle are lowing, the baby awakes”

Sir Hillary 9:57 AM  

Good theme execution -- very nicely done.

But come on, the RELAXIN/SNERT cross is a joke. Although it did put me in mind of those "_____ with the Miles Davis Quintet" albums from the 1950s -- RELAXIN', Steamin', Workin', Cookin'. Don't think there was a DARIN'. Nor an ASAPIN' -- that one may have been called Rushin'. :)

And I guess the dumb OXES are hanging out with the meek mouses, the docile sheeps and the headlight-staring deers. Puh-leeze!

Excellent clues for DORM and ACE.

Whatsername 10:11 AM  

@Sarcastic Mother (9:50) Best comment of the day! 🤣

mathgent 10:15 AM  

Enjoyed it very much. Very neat theme. Smart cluing. Enough crunch, enough sparkle.

When I saw the clue for 1A, I was trying to remember SYSOP, a word I've seen in previous puzzles. It wouldn't come. Lucky me.

I suppose that 52A is referring to "party animal" not "animal party." But in this city where there are more dogs than children, I'll bet that folks have little get togethers for the pets in the neighborhood. Cake, but probably no games. Maybe costumes.


Joseph Michael 10:15 AM  

Not sure how I remembered that DOG named SNERT, but he finally helped me finish the stubborn SE corner made difficult by my wanting OPINE instead of ORATE and by not knowing RELAXIN or ARIE.

Fun theme overall, with TWITTER BUZZ the best of the lot. My sympathies to all of the sound mixers out there who will no longer have the chance to be an EGOT.

Since it is a SOUND-based theme, 48A seems off since cows say MOO not LOW which defines the MOO. If there can be a RING POP, why can’t there be a MOO ROLL? Maybe somebody from BAIDU can invent one.

Good character names for a Southern Gothic novel: ASA PIN and ART SET. Maybe they both in love with IMA LLOUT.

MarthaCatherine 10:21 AM  

You know what else is a hormone? mELAnIN. Which gave me SOUNDMInING at 57A. There most certainly IS a thing called sound mining, although I was surprised to hear there used to be an Academy Award for it. And so I couldn't figure out what OmA_E could be. It couldn't be OpinE, cuz I was so sure melanin was correct, which meant I couldn't suss out 33D, cuz there just couldn't be two miners in one puzzle.

So a big DNF for Martha today. Grrrrr.

Z 10:22 AM  

@JD - Blame @A. I decided Sunday that her Alpha needed an Omega. I’ll probably change back Sunday.

@pabloinnh - I differentiate between something like The Threepenny Opera and Bobby DARIN. Brecht and Weill are being performed this year (e.g. The Atlanta Opera) and so are able to maintain pop culture currency. But Bobby DARIN is going to be pretty opaque to anyone born in, say, 1981 or later, so anyone 40 or younger. With few exceptions, works last younger than their performers, so are fairer. Performers’ fame fades and becoming increasingly less fair for solvers as time goes by.
To be clear, in isolation none of these are unfair. But we get a 1928 song cluing a performer who died nearly 50 years ago near a 1970’s one term mayor near a folk band whose kids’ music qualifies as oldies along with a tv show that’s been off the air for nearly 30 years. The “fresh” pop culture is from a cartoon that is older than my oldest, who is 30. The pop culture in this puzzle needs a walker. This is more frequently true of the NYTX than of any other puzzle I do save maybe the LATX.

Nancy 10:31 AM  

Is this a really clever theme or what? Another inspired beauty -- and the second puzzle in a row that richly deserves Jeff Chen's POW. (Bob Hope would have referred to the neglecting of either or both of these puzzles for the award as "Passover".)

The theme clues are wonderfully oblique and completely baffling...until, of course, they aren't. I think everyone will figure out what's being done way up there at TWITTER BUZZ. But that doesn't mean that all the following theme answers won't bring their own "Aha"s. I glanced early on at the revealer clue (but not at the number of letters in the grid) and guessed that the answer would be SOUND EFFECTS. Is there both a SOUND EFFECTS and a SOUND MIXING Award at the Oscars? For the purposes of the puzzle, SOUND MIXING is a lot better anyway.

My proudest moment? I guessed that 1D would be Acqua ALTA without being told I was looking for "high". And I don't even speak Italian! Such is the advantage of having studied Latin -- and I can say at this advanced stage of my life that there have proven over the years to be damn few of them.

An imaginative and absolutely delightful puzzle. While I didn't find it especially hard, it did provide a few LOAMY moments where I got stuck in the SAP flowing inside the BAIDU.

Ray Yuen 10:36 AM  

I'm a "data miner" I guess. More correctly, I'm a Data Analyst or some would call it Data Scientist. Yes, we "mine" for data, meaning we create databases. The acts of searching for trends and patterns are analyses, not mining. Mining is finding the data; analysing them gives us the results.

Data mined would have been correctly clued as "information digger."

jbh 10:41 AM  

This puzzle was great!

Enough in my wheelhouse to deduce RELAXIN and SNERT.

Had OAFS instead of OXEN for a bit.....

I hoped Rex would like this puzzle and this time it actually happened.


Anonymous 10:49 AM  

Jeremy corrected himself and said Beame died when he was in his early 20s. That makes him early 40s now. Still not middle aged.

Anonymous 10:51 AM  

If you are following someone, you "tail" or "dog" them. Also, dogs have tails.

Anonymous 10:56 AM  

BAIDU has been in the lamestream news of late, along with Evergrande and other cratering Chinese enterprise.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baidu#Controversies

not quite so much doodoo as Huawei, but close
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huawei#Controversies

anything internet/compute from China is, these days, suspicious

CDilly52 10:59 AM  

Thankful for my child of the 80s and her love of the sticky nasty RING POP! With the pandemic and all, that answer just made me cringe. Throwbacks of her friends’ incessant licking if each other’s new candies to taste the flavors! No matter how many times I begged her not to eat it and throw away the plastic part, I would find them stuck to tissues in her school uniform (or other) pockets, stuck to things in her backpack, clothing the carpet in her room. She would even let the dog have a taste!

Enough already. I really enjoyed the cleverness of yesterday and today. Fresh ideas with some clever and toughish clues. I agree with @Rex today and disagree vociferously with yesterday’s analysis.

As for tough clues, today had some for sure. I just had to do some guessing up in the NE. Didn’t remember Mayor Beame’s name and never heard of BAIDU company, but the EPSOM salts gave me enough soothing relief to knock that corner out.

Also wanted the mOo ROLL, but quickly thought there had to be something better and fairly quickly got the LOW. Overall a pleasant, clever solve with just the right amount of Thursday resistance.

Wanderlust 11:01 AM  

Surprised this was rated medium - it was 20 seconds off my best-ever Thursday. I liked it a lot, especially Twitter Buzz. I knew BAIDU because my nonprofit does work in China and, given all that censorship, we have to know things like who runs the internet there. I did not know RELAXIN, but that name! I want me some of that.

Speaking of SNERT, have you ever noticed that at least 90% of comic strip dogs are male? I still get the dead-tree Washington Post, and I counted once. From Snoopy to Grimm to Rover to Dogbert (to Snert), there were about 20 male dogs - and two female (Daisy from Blondie and Minnie from a new strip you probably never heard of, Mike du Jour). Why does this matter, you ask? Dogs are characters, and when kids see such male dominance in comics they read and cartoons they watch, it makes an impression. How often do you see a female German shepherd or a male poodle? Obviously there have to be equal numbers of both or the breed would die out. Also in the comics: way more single dads than single moms (but which is more common in real life?) and many comics where there are multiple male characters and one female one (the Smurfette effect).

Now you know.

puzzlehoarder 11:05 AM  

This was a disappointingly easy Thursday. The first three days of the week we're above average so I was hoping for a nice Thursday tussle. This thing rolled over any played dead.


yd pg-2

Beezer 11:10 AM  

How is it that a Midwesterner (me) has the history of NYC mayors in her memory banks? This includes ones that were mayor before I was born (@EdfromHackensack, OceanJeremy didn’t say “dead” before he was born)…hahaha, no wonder folks in NYT think it is the center of the universe. Ok, that is truly a joke. Chicago is easy as a Daley was in office most of my life, but my knowledge of west coast mayors LA and SF) are pretty sketchy.
I thoroughly enjoyed this puzzle and of course that has NOTHING to do with the fact that it was definitely in my wheelhouse!

Beezer 11:13 AM  

Oh! My only nit is that Rex chose to feature a song by Erykah Badu instead of India.Arie. I like them both, but wth? Is it because Badu is similar to BAIDU? Not good enuf.

Anonymous 11:22 AM  

@thfen:
ucsd before SDSU

yeah, who knew there are, at least, 2 CA state schools in San Diego.


sure does. one can get flooding without widespread high water. just ask any Redneck living in a hut next to a crick. in the Venice case, do a search for Ernst Haas and Venice (there are myriad others of more recent vintage) and you'll see. in fact, saving Venice from the Sea is kind of a big deal in the climate change arena. in the Venice case, it's simply rising sea levels that are the problem rather than floods per se. in previous years (well, centuries) the water was only in the canals.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venice#Subsidence

@Every Sarcastic Mother:
well... I've known a few mothers in my day (none on account of me, btw), they generally liked the mild high of a spinal. not that I've known any who forwent (if that's a word) the shot.

Euclid 11:28 AM  

@10:49

By my notion of arithmetic, 40 is middle of 80, which, to be generous, is life expectancy.

Crimson Devil 11:54 AM  

Very fine Thursday.

Newboy 11:55 AM  

“A harbinger of a good weekend ahead,” seems like a good place to be. Maybe I’ll just say YES I DO agree Rex, so TIS likely I’ll be RELAXIN with my BAIDU & ARIE like the HUMDRUM SAP over on SNERT & MOES VIDEO. See ya on Tuesday?

Crimson Devil 11:55 AM  

Very fine Thursday.

Nancy 11:58 AM  

@Wanderlust (11:01) -- Oh, great. As if I didn't already have enough to worry about: climate change, Covid, assaults on democracy, government shutdown, the debt ceiling. Now I have to worry about what percentage of cartoon dogs are male?? And, anyway, you forgot "Lady". (Although "Tramp" is male and I suppose he cancels her out.)

@Euclid (11:28)-- Look at the obit pages of the past two weeks and average out the ages people are living to. Astounding as it may seem, the "middle age" point today would appear to be about 45.

Z 12:01 PM  

To echo @Euclid - Mid-Life Crises are a phenomenon of peoples’ 40’s.

@Anon11:22 - Way to add “widespread” when nobody else did. When a river reaches “flood stage” the water is high. Saying the high water “causes” the flood just doesn’t work. The high water is the flood. Venice has an annual phenomenon of “high water.” All that really means is they have annual floods. Here’s a nice synopsis of the actual causes of the flooding. The clue is sort of like saying the Santa Ana’s are caused by high winds. No, the Santa Ana’s are high winds.

@Beezer - ABE Beame presided over the NYC debt crisis which was pretty big news. Also, the blackout was during his tenure. This 61 year old midwesterner couldn’t name him, but give me either ABE or Beame and I’ll get the other name.

Masked and Anonymous 12:07 PM  

Sound effects theme. Different. Like.
M&A is among the crowd of didn't-know-RINGPOP folks, tho.

Cool double 9-longballs Down, in the NW & SE. Maybe there helpin to offset some real short HUMDRUM/LOWROLL themers. Altho ... fave sparklers overall were COZYUPTO & IMALLOUT & IMTOAST.

staff weeject pick: WEN. Answer coulda been BAIDU, and fooled m&e.

No prob with SNERT/EGOT, due to lotsa previous xwords under the bridge.
SDSU USBS? har

Thanx for the hootblast of fun, Mr. Proulx dude. A thoroughly sound ThursPuz.

Masked & Anonym8Us

ghkozen 12:10 PM  

Another one of those awful command clues on VIDEO. There are not enough retching emojis in my phone to express my distaste for that clue style, but it’s seemed like Will Shortz has been forcing them into the puzzle more and more often these days. Well beyond time to fire that incompetent has-been.

Anonymous 12:11 PM  

What does ppp stand for

Russ Pomerantz 12:14 PM  

What does PPP mean?

Euclid 12:16 PM  

@Nancy:
the "middle age" point today would appear to be about 45.

@10:49 said/wrote, "That makes him early 40s"

So, yes, it fits. If one asserts that 45 is middle age, then 90 has to be life expectancy. That would be nice, but not on this planet today.

If one is really generous, by looking at life expectancy from age 65, you get 18 years for men as of 2018. That works out to 83.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/266657/us-life-expectancy-for-men-aat-the-age-of-65-years-since-1960/

If you're a woman, it's 85.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/266656/us-female-life-expectancy-at-the-age-of-65-years-since-1960/

So, yeah, 40-something is middle age. Despite the meme, "50 is the new 30", or whatever it is.

mathgent 12:18 PM  

My favorite posts this morning.

David Fabish (6:45)
pabloinnh (8:33)
Ray Yuen (10:36)

Russ Pomerantz 12:19 PM  

Rex, can you help me here? What does ppp mean?

Anonymous 12:22 PM  

Rex, can you help me here? What does PPP mean?

egsforbreakfast 12:24 PM  

Do PAPAS SAP and YESIDO DIS constitute some kind of double reverse kangaroo semordnilap or something?

“Mamma, I think we should tell him I’m pregnant”
“Not now, dear. PAPAS RELAXIN”

ARTSET has a vibe to me like something I’d give my three year old granddaughter for her birthday. Not so much like a “Painter’s kit”

Rex could have eliminated AcE Beam as a mayoral possibility by noticing that the answer to 60A actually is ACE.

Loved this concept and found the solve to be remarkably fast for a Thursday. Thanks, Rich Proulx.



jb129 12:26 PM  

I liked this a lot - great Thursday!

Tom T 12:28 PM  

Dumb dnf on my part--confidently put in DoLCE (Italian) instead of DULCE (Spanish) and just blanked on oSBS needing to be USBS. [Sigh]

cat woman 12:35 PM  

Apparently males are top DOGs in the comics. I do not wish to be hounded about it (HAR). Though even Lassie was played by males, I've heard. BTW, HOUND, except for being too long, is a good answer for "Tail...or one with a tail". Cats? Felix, Jinx, Garfield, Tom, Sylvester.
Hmmmmmm......maybe there's something to this after all.

The Joker 12:37 PM  

@Anonymous 12:11. Go to your room and think about what you just did.

Nancy 12:49 PM  

@ghkozen -- I hate that kind of clue as much as you do, but remember than WS is also the person who chose the wonderful puzzles of the last two days. So let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater.

egsforbreakfast 1:01 PM  

I don’t often comment more than once a day, but I just hafta put in a plug for Bluey. It’s a family cartoon sitcom about a family of dogs consisting of Bluey, her sister, Bingo and their parents. It is kid cute while being adult funny in the extreme.

JC66 1:02 PM  

PPP

Pop culture, Product names, and other Proper nouns. 25-30% is pretty NYTX typical. More than 33% almost always causes some subset of solvers trouble.

Teedmn 1:24 PM  

I join the RING-POP deprived group today, though I seem to recall lollipops that had a paper handle that looped around so you could hold it like a ring but not wear it. The RING POP sounds sort of disgusting, like those candy necklaces where you bit off the candy from the stretchy string and then were left with a sticky neck.

9D, with the COZ showing up, I was imagining someone COZening the ingratiatee but HUMDRUM drummed that out of possibility.

I liked the theme; thanks, Rich Proulx.

Nancy 1:25 PM  

@Euclid -- I know what the stats say. I also know what the obits in the NYT are saying these days. I can't tell you what a high proportion of people are dying in their nineties and even over 100. I'm staggered by it. There are people dying tragically young, too, but not nearly enough to offset them.

Of course I live in NYC and not in rural Appalachia -- so there's that. But if you read the obits, Euclid, I do think you'll be rather surprised. And, depending on your own age, you may find the news quite cheerful.

They say that the fastest growing age group in the next 15 or 20 years will be centenarians.

Beezer 1:26 PM  

@Omega Z, I think that my post was ambiguous as look at it and your reply. My point was that I do have all the NYC mayors in my memory banks, so got ABE easily. Did NOT remember he was involved in debt crisis though, so thanks!

Z 1:27 PM  

@JC66 1:02 - 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽

anonymous 1:31 PM  

I dont't speak Italian either, but Acqua Alta was a gimme for me due to one of my favorite mystery writers, Donna Leon. She is my reference for all things Italian and a number of years ago wrote "Acqua Alta." Read her books in order if you are interested in a story that's much more than a mystery. I'm not the literary person you are, but must say Latin has come in handy through the years, notably in crossword puzzles.

Nancy 1:33 PM  

And, @Euclid...

Found it! This is one of many such articles that have appeared lately:

Half of babies born in rich world will live to 100
By Kate Kelland


LONDON (Reuters) - More than half of babies born in rich nations today will live to be 100 years old if current life expectancy trends continue, according to Danish researchers.



albatross shell 1:44 PM  

@kitshef 725am
KART in the puzzle because it is the common spelling.
If you meant why is it the common spelling google seems to think it's unknown. I'd guess it was a manufacurer or promoter who thought KART had more pizzazz. In any case it certainly caught on.

Another good puzzle. I probably hit the 75% mark faster today than Tuesday or Wednesday. Last in was the X of LAX. Yesterday an English Spelling of convenience. Today some kind of spelling of convenience with a Spanish word. At M-W they list OXEn as the only plural. But they define OXES separately as the plural of OX. Weird system there. The OXEN spelling is a living fossil.

I was out of college before ABE got elected the first time.

Geriatric is a geriatric does. I never know what those phrases mean. But I'd guess more people know DARIN BEAME than know ARIE BAIDU. I look forward to the TWITTERBUZZ on RINGPOP DATAMINing.

Georgia 1:46 PM  

Emmy, Grammy, Oscar, Tony.

Jaime 1:51 PM  

Bahahaha that’s awesome. Love it!

JC66 1:59 PM  



Ctrl C + Ctrl V 😂

Frantic Sloth 2:00 PM  


@pabloinnh 833am Hear! Hear! Your whole post. Well, except for the singing - but everything else! In case you haven't already, just ignore @Ω - unless, of course, you're reading his explanation of OXES (7:59am) 😉

@JD 838am Nobody "got the memo" because @Ω doesn't ROLL like that. And the clue for DRUM is fingers, not DRUM because the NYTXW doesn't make mistakes. 🙄

@Rube 851am Ew. Thanks for that. 🤣

@Every Sarcastic Mother 950am 🤣🤣🤣 Perfect! Agree with @Whatsername's 1011am assessment, too!
Furthermore, to everyone wishing they had "some of that", read up on what it actually does...you might change your mind. 😉

@The Joker 1237pm 🤣🤣 (Although I kinda feel sorry for people who are new and really want to know. I was one of them not that long ago, so...)

On that note, thanks to @JC66 102pm for taking his turn. 😉

old timer 2:07 PM  

hands up for having OSBS instead of USBS. The rest was pretty easy. Liked the reference to LALAW Back when it was on it was essential viewing for all trial lawyers, if only because jurors probably watched it too. I especially admired Jimmy Smits, but all the actors were good. And I could have pointed you to all the bars lawyers hung out in in San Francisco -- one a few blocks from City Hall, one across from the criminal courts, and two or three in the heart of downtown, including the legendary Tadich Grill, which was my favorite.

Got SDSU (formerly SDSC) right away. Never missed going to the annual Folk Festival there. SDSU has a totally urban feel to it, though not right downtown. UCSD, on the other hand, feels like it is not in San Diego at all -- it is adjacent to Torrey Pines, almost not in the city. For whatever reason, California's UC branches tend to be far from their city centers, except for Cal Berkeley, which of course is why the City of Berkeley exists.

Never heard of RELAXIN before today. And it is present in semen too! What I had heard of was Oxytocin.

Z 2:10 PM  

@Nancy - Ah, yes, the infamous “if current trends continue.” A more up to date way of saying the same thing would be “if current trends continue life expectancy will be back to 1970 levels by 2025.” We see the same sort of thing in sports reporting all the time. Tiger Woods was once on pace to easily break Jack Nicklaus’ Major victory record. If only it hadn’t taken him 11 years to go from #14 to #15. Any headline that says “If the trend continues” should always be paired with a subheading of “but of course it probably won’t.” I’ll leave it to the math folk to explain regression to the mean (no, that has nothing to do with Rex).
I’m not sure this is still true, but I read that most of the gain in life expectancy in the US in the 20th century wasn’t from people who would have lived to be 90 living to age 100, but fewer people dying young. So a Norm MacDonald lives to be 61 instead of dying at 52 or 53. This is broken out by demographers as “life expectancy at birth,” and then “life expectancy at age X.” If you make it to age 50 you’re more likely to live to be 100 than you were when you were born. Again, the mathematicians can explain that better than I.
Sadly, while the estimates vary, COVID has caused the life expectancy in the US to go down a year and a half or so. Still better than the 1918 pandemic where we lost 6 years of life expectancy. But the average “middle age” is now only around 38 years old.

@beezer - I only know what I posted because I looked it up. Definitely a “why do I know this name” moment. The answer might be “learned from crosswords,” but Barney Miller or Chevy Chase might also be to blame. I definitely have an image in my head of Chevy Chase ripping on Ford and mentioning ABE Beame. But I couldn’t find it in the youtube machine. I know Barney Miller did a blackout episode, but I don’t think they mentioned the mayor by name.

Euclid 2:11 PM  

@Nancy:
if current life expectancy trends continue

Yeah, except they won't. Too many folks don't grok geometric progression. Did you know that the planet's population has more than doubled from 1960? That means in 100 years the global population will be, at least, triple today's 7,000,000,000. As Trump said, "we ain't got no more room." There's only so much stuff in the ground to make stuff for/in your house. Even in the 'rich world' of the USofA, poverty (even 'rich world' version) is endemic. If one means just the White families in the global plantation mansions... Is that the sort of world of which you would approve?

"In demographics, the world population is the total number of humans currently living, and was estimated to have reached 7,800,000,000 people as of March 2020.[1][2] It took over 2 million years of human prehistory and history for the world's population to reach 1 billion[3] and only 200 years more to grow to 7 billion."
-- the wiki

Anyone who thinks that the 'rich world' will still exist in 50 years, much less 100 is loony. Ain't gonna happen. Well, unless the 'rich world' (or there personal God) kills off half the population each decade or so. What with modern automated production/AI we don't need no workers no more. But with modern automated production/AI, all that automation costs so much in capital that the only way to make money is to spit out an ever increasing number of widgets. But with the 'rich world' staying more or less fixed in number, who's going to buy all those extra widgets? It's a conundrum.

The really funny part of all this? The West spends billions and billions of moolah each and every year just to keep a hoard of 80-somethings alive for a few more weeks, occasionally months! Sanity has departed. Give me soylent green.

Euclid 2:19 PM  


I read that most of the gain in life expectancy in the US in the 20th century wasn’t from people who would have lived to be 90 living to age 100, but fewer people dying young.

You read correctly. You see this in the data: the life expectancy at 65 (or older) hasn't budged much since forever. Most of the increase in life expectancy at birth happened from 1900 to 1960, with antibiotics and vaccines.

And, just to be clear, my previous tl;dr missive was composed before any of the other post-@Nancy postings ended up on my machine. If could type faster and have all of the wiki in my brain, I could produce these nuggets much quicker. I'm sure you'd agree.

Signing off now. Talk amongst yourselves.

EV 2:46 PM  

In the 90's/early 00’s, a good friend was ASL interpreter at New York City Hall. Mayor’s press conferences and such. For one of the ticker tape parades, (Yankees 1996 WS Championship, I believe), said friend was on the dais for the speeches. Friend stepped in front of a seated Abe Beame and bent forward to say hello. Just as the local ABC TV news broadcast intoned “and here we see Former Mayor Abe Beame” the entire TriState area was treated to a screen filling shot of friend's derrière.
Though he was mayor before I immigrated, I, for one, will never forget his name!😝😂😂
All of this is true, SHMG.
Not true: New York Post headline next day…
“AIDE'S BEAM ABEAM ABE BEAME”
(Personal note: friends derrière was delightful😜🤣😜)

kitshef 3:37 PM  

@Nancy 1:25. New York has one of the highest life expectancies of any state. I think only Hawaii and Minnesota are higher (I may be out of date, but not badly so). And urban life expectancies are always higher than rural. In NYC you are basically in a life expectancy hot spot.

Also, I want to second @egsforbreakfast 1:01 about Bluey. Excellent children’s show that adults can enjoy too.

@albatross shell 1:44 – I was wondering how “kart” became the common spelling.

jberg 3:50 PM  

We're going to a wedding in Vermont this weekend, and they asked everyone to get a COVID test first -- so I no sooner had finished solving than I had to drive off to the testing site in the next town, after which we went out for lunch to celebrate (the tests were negative) then paid a visit to the Abigail Adams Cairn (it's in Quincy MA, in case it crops up in a future puzzle. So I just got back here to comment. I agree with the admiration for the theme; and for those inexplicably hating on LOW, just remember the crossword-famous opening stanza from Thomas Gray's "Elegy Written in a Country Churchyard":

The curfew tolls the knell of parting day,
The lowing herd wind slowly o'er the lea,
The plowman homeward plods his weary way,
And leaves the world to darkness and to me.

As for BAIDOU, I had heard of it, but had forgotten. Since we're all worried about whether Evergrande is going to default and tank the world economy, I guess we need to remember some of these Chines corporate names. (Huawei is another).

One of my fellow political scientists teaches in New York, and does political consulting on the side. When David Dinkins was running for Mayor Jeff's mother, a loyal Democrat, was finding it hard to vote for a Black man. Jeff said, "Don't worry, Ma, he's the Black ABE Beame" and everything was OK.

I spent a week in Venice a few years ago. I didn't experience AQIA ALTA, but all the guidebooks explained it, so it's a Thing. Signs with those words go up all over the city when it is expected; it can leave ground floors a couple of feet under water.

Someone I'm close to just celebrated an 80th birthday, and started saying, "Well, I guess I can't claim to be late middle-aged anymore." I take that as definitive.

Tiny nit: "Neat AS A PIN" is a simile, not an analogy.

I don't mind the clue for VIDEO; I think it's good to develop new kinds of clues. However, I seem to recall that previous instances have been in brackets. I'm not yet convinced that the exclamation point is just as good.

Smith 5:00 PM  

@JD 8:07

Drumming your fingers cuz you're bored...

Smith 5:04 PM  

@ Every Sarcastic

😄😄😄

Donna 5:26 PM  

I grew up in Baton Rouge and did my undergrad at LSU (Geaux Tigers). Growing up, we kids would claim that LSU stood for Ladies Silk Underwear, and giggle.

JD 5:28 PM  

@jberg, A wonderful post. The exclamation point clues never fail to annoy me. I think the artist formerly known as @Z and I have disagreed on this topic.

@Re. life expectancy, I plan to start smoking clove cigarettes at age 85 and replacing my morning tea with 25-year-old Macallan. The cigarette replaces the oatmeal. 85 is a random number subject to conditions.

@Frantic 😘 as always.

pabloinnh 5:28 PM  

@FraSlo--No singing required, and thanks for the kind words.

Yours is the kind of post I'll re-read.

EV 5:30 PM  

In the 90's/early 00’s, a good friend was ASL interpreter at New York City Hall. Mayor’s press conferences and such. For one of the ticker tape parades, (Yankees 1996 WS Championship, I believe), said friend was on the dais for the speeches. Friend stepped in front of a seated Abe Beame and bent forward to say hello. Just as the local ABC TV news broadcast intoned “and here we see Former Mayor Abe Beame” the entire TriState area was treated to a screen filling shot of friend's derrière.
Though he was mayor before I immigrated, I, for one, will never forget his name!������
All of this is true, SHMG.
Not true: New York Post headline next day…
“AIDE'S BEAM ABEAM ABE BEAME”

Anonymous 5:43 PM  

@JD:
replacing my morning tea with 25-year-old Macallan.

ah to be rich enough to make that sub.

JD 5:57 PM  

@Smith, I got the finger drumming thing. What I'm saying is that I never thought of the word Drum as a sound like clang or bang. I only thought of it as as a thing that made a sound. So ... even more obtuse than you and @Frantic imagined.

So now I know. Birds Twitter, bells clang and Drums Drum.

Thank God for Joe Manchin 6:06 PM  

Thanks for letting Liz Cheney pass. That means a lot.

albatross shell 6:26 PM  

Top 3 Reasons @Z changed to @Ω

1. He noticed there were already 9972 uses of Ω in existence and he wanted be number 9973, the greatest prime number under 10000.

2. He was inspired by the Ken Burns documentary on Ali to take a similar moral stand here. Then when he gets in his verbal jabbing matches here he can punctuate every post with "What's my name?".

3. It's a tawdry fund raising scheme for his Rye enterprises.

By the way the &; with Omega in between trick works.

Hartley70 6:27 PM  

This the third day in a road that I have really liked the puzzle. The theme was new to me and very cute. The “pregnancy hormone” clue had me scratching my head, but it was fairly crossed. Now the question is whether Friday will live up to its predecessors.

Anoa Bob 6:43 PM  

Like many of yous, I thought it was a clever and straightforward idea for a theme but the theme entries themselves suggest that their aren't a lot of potential candidates that are two words for sounds that mean something different when brought together. I thought there were a couple of good ones but LOW ROLL is a stretch. To me A ROLL is not the sound of thunder but of the movement of the sound of thunder. It's sometimes called ROLLing thunder. And RING POP appears to be unknown to many solvers, including moi. Sounds horrid, like a gateway to diabetes, obesity and who knows what on down the line.

I'm a San Diego State alumnus, class of '73, so knew 23D SDSU pronto. The official name of the institute---I'm looking at my diploma right now---is California State University San Diego but no one calls it that, it's still San Diego State. And SDSU.

I'm sticking to 34 as the optimum number of black squares for a themed puzzled. Today's has 32 and it imposes a noticeable burden on the overall quality of the fill. Like a 34, a 32 provides for lots of longer fill but exacts a toll with some of them being less than desirable, as amply catalogued by commenters above. We even get three two-for-one POCs. That's the equivalent of getting three blank tiles in your Scrabble tray, you can make two new words with each blank tile, six words total. Those Ss certainly lower the grid-fill degree of difficulty rating but by doing so, also the overall puzzle rating, I would say.

Still enjoyed the solve. I just like to look at some of the construction details.

Frantic Sloth 6:46 PM  

@JD 557pm Does that make you obthreese? And if you are, what am I?? 🤯
P.S.
Love "the artist formerly known as @Z". Agree on exclamation points. There's nothing to get excited about.

Mary 8:09 PM  

@6:06pm-We’re $28.4 Trillion (yes Trillion with a T) and these geniuses want to add another $3.5 trillion. SMH 🤦‍♀️

Anonymous 8:40 PM  

So nice of you to "let Lyn Cheney pass". Fascist. Good day.

JC66 8:53 PM  

@Mary

I assume you're talking about US debt. Yes, Biden, et al want to spend $3.5 Trillion, but they plan to pay for most of it by raising taxes on the rich & famous. Also, economists estimate that what the $3.5 million will pay for (child care, community college, etc.) will end up generating additional funds that will also impact positively on the US debt level.

Mary 9:08 PM  

@JC66 Fine raise taxes but we need to pay down the debt before we expand the welfare state. Not fair to future generations otherwise.

The Cleaver 9:16 PM  

@Mary:

one of the problems with the innumerate is they can't do simple arithmetic. that's not $3.5 trillion every year. it's $.35 trillion over 10 years. $350 billion a year. rather a large difference, dontcha think? not even the Left Wing Lamestream Press makes that clear. just repeal The Orange Sh!tgibbon's (not my coinage, but I cleave) giveaway to the 1% would make up the difference.

Z 9:32 PM  

@Albie - I feel seen. 🤣😂🤣

@JD reminds me of a Tweet I saw from one of my favorite pop stars: You’re not as good as Prince or David Bowie but that is OK. It’s normal.

Nancy 9:39 PM  

For those who have been following today's comments about life expectancy and the Obituary Page, here's a don't-miss cartoon from the incomparable Roz Chast.

sasses 10:20 PM  

We need to pay for Trump's gifts to his rich buddies. Now it is our turn for some help.

Anonymous 10:24 PM  

What all You fail to realize, if you raise taxes on the rich, they will just trickle down to their underlings, raising Ren s, paying less. We know you don't want to hear that, so feel free to put your fingers in your ears and go "LaLaLaLaLa"
I would like the rich to pay more, also. Alas,it doesn't work.

albatross shell 10:27 PM  



Reason 4
Its the End Times. Apocalypse Sunday this weekend. 559pm EDT. No easy Monday.

Barbara S. 10:41 PM  

I've just tried my hand at this theme, and it's tough. The best I can do is:

[Collison] + [Child being a ghost] = Tall tropical grass

BAMBOO

It's too short for this puzzle, and it's not two words, but then neither is HUMDRUM.

Barbara S. 10:46 PM  

Plus BOO probably doesn't qualify as the right sort of sound. OK, forget it.

Schuly 11:04 PM  

Neither Abe Beame, the mayor to whom Ford told to drop dead, nor Baidu, the Google of China, is any way obscure. You live in a city 20 years and know nothing of its history.

stephanie 11:39 PM  

i actually googled "moo roll" and apparently it's a thing. a cake. like a yule log but the outside is cow patterned. so, that's...something. i got RING POP first (i used to love those!) and then figured out they were looking for sounds which i thought was clever and fun - except a cow does *not* say LOW. i still don't understand how or why that fits so that was kind of a sour note in an otherwise enjoyable reveal.

that whole corner in the SW really was my undoing as i didn't know LIZ or WIZEN or WEN. ACE took me a long time to get and a bit longer to grok.

didn't know ABE or BAIDU...but thank you rex for linking tyrone. such a great song. when she sings "but you can't use my phone..." at the end...ugh. it's just absolutely the best and never gets old. goosebumps every time.

overall even though i had to use google to get a couple names i really liked it. besides LOW, OXES was the only other thing i had a "really?" reaction to (shouldn't it be OXEN if anything?) but i had the crosses so i'll not let it ruin the puzzle for me. ...LOW though...damn. i can't get over that one lol.

ps, @Barbara S. don't sell yourself short! i think it could just be [collision] + [ghost] and BAMBOO would be a great reveal! i liked it anyhow :)

rogerinNYC 1:23 PM  

Enjoyed this puzzle a lot, but had a different take on the revealer -- yes, it's "sound mixing", but it's also "sound mix" with "ing". If you add "ing" to each part of the theme answers, they are much more like sounds in my book, e.g., twittering, buzzing, humming, drumming, ringing, popping, lowing, and rolling. By itself, for example, "roll" doesn't conjure up much of a noise for me.

thefogman 1:45 PM  

This puzzle was anything but RELAXIN with all the obscure and unfair crossings.

Burma Shave 2:21 PM  

DOWN ON RELAXIN'

LIZ asked, "WEN I'MALLOUT of TOASTs,
off-STAGE who DO I COZYUPTO?"
"'TIS fact for ORALS at these ROASTS,
the PAGES all say, "Oh, YESIDO."

--- ABE "BUZZ" DARIN

leftcoaster 5:25 PM  

Just plain tough. In both theme and fill. Buenas Noches.

rondo 6:08 PM  

Easy enough in general, even if rather HUMDRUM. BAIDU and RELAXIN are kinda out there. LIZ Cheney is in the headlines so often as to be a gimme.
I really miss the SOUNDMIXING award.

Diana, LIW 8:18 PM  

Really really really messed up in the SE. Again, a name and a term I didn't know ganged up on me.

Otherwise a fair Thursday. No rebus.

Diana, Lady-in-Waiting for Crosswords

Diana, LIW 8:20 PM  

the dog ate my comment - SE was my downfall.

Diana, Lady-in-Waiting for Crosswords

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