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Tuesday, April 27, 2021

Hi, everyone! It’s Clare, back for the last Tuesday of April. I’m in my final week of law school — and, wow, it’s flown by! What are you supposed to do when your life has revolved around school for 20 of your 24 years, and then…? Now I have to be part of the real world? Graduation will be virtual, so I’ll miss out on a bit of that celebration, but I’ll get to be back with my family in California to wear my graduation robe and move my tassel from right to left — for the very last time! I’ve been trying to focus on finals, but I’ve been filling some time watching too many sports — though I won’t be watching the European Super League! RIP, Super League. You weren’t gone soon enough.

Anywho, on to the puzzle!

Jeff McDermott

Relative difficulty: Easy
THEME: JULEP (36A: Libation made from the beginnings of 17-, 23-, 49- and 59-Across) — the start of the highlighted clues are ingredients in a julep

Theme answers:
  • ICE ICE BABY (17A: 1990 #1 hit that begins “Yo V.I.P., let’s kick it” 
  • BOURBON STREET (23A: Main drag through New Orleans’s French Quarter)
  • MINT CONDITION (49A: Never-used state) 
  • SUGAR DADDY (59A: Wealthy boyfriend, perhaps)
Word of the Day: ADANO (7D: John Hershey’s “A Bell for __”) —
A Bell for Adano is a 1944 novel by John Hersey, the winner of the 1945 Pulitzer Prize for Fiction. It tells the story of an Italian-American officer in Sicily during World War II who wins the respect and admiration of the people of the town of Adano by helping them find a replacement for the town bell that the Fascists had melted down for rifle barrels. (Wiki)
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Overall, I quite enjoyed this puzzle! I thought that the theme was clean and fun and that the solve, in general, was very pleasant. The puzzle is particularly timely, as the Kentucky Derby is coming up soon — back to its original date of the first Saturday in May — and the mint julep is the official drink of the Derby. My grandparents absolutely loved the Derby — they were from Kentucky and hosted a party every year. I had an American Girl doll horse they often used as a centerpiece! One year at one of these parties, my sister somehow won the Derby betting pool, and my parents made her share the winnings with me. Perks of being the younger sibling! 

And, hey, I guess I won’t have to look up the recipe for a JULEP on Saturday now that I’ve solved this puzzle. My only gripe with the theme is that I think the drink is really a “mint julep” and not just a JULEP. For the most part, I liked each of the theme answers and the variety of them. Though, I think the clue for SUGAR DADDY (59A) doesn’t quite work, because SUGAR DADDY generally means more than just a rich boyfriend. Still, I liked the theme a lot! And now I feel ready for the Derby on Saturday. 

I liked a lot of the fill of the puzzle — especially OVERBOOK (3D) and RAINY DAY (38D). I thought the clue/answer for 63A was clever, with the answer being the letters missing in a word that means the same thing, which is not something I think I’ve seen in a daily crossword before. There also seemed to be some mini connected themes in the puzzle. There’s SEPIA (22A) and SHOTS (31A), which both relate to photos. There’s PSI (4D) and CHI (38D), both from the Greek alphabet. Then there are the connected CLIP (1D) and CLOP (1A) and HUCK (42D) and FINN (19A). These all tied the puzzle together nicely. 

I did have a few slight problems. First, I mixed up CLIP and CLOP, so I spent some time in that northwest corner wondering what an ingredient for a JULEP could possibly be that started with “oce.” Also, I put “scarf” instead of SNARF for 5A, which caused me trouble, because, sure, “cabob” looked weird, but I didn’t know the word for 6D: Bigwig was NABOB. I had that error when I finished and had to go back through the puzzle to find where I’d made my mistake, which took some time. My dad told me that Spiro Agnew once complained about the “nattering nabobs of negativism,” which is a rather memorable quote, so maybe I’ll remember the word NABOB in the future! My last issue came with 16A, where I immediately typed in “done” so that it would read “what’s done is done,” but instead it was “what’s FAIR is FAIR.” I still think my way works better; my sister said she did the same thing I did, but my dad said he immediately typed in FAIR. So I’ll be conducting an informal poll in the comments — what did other people first put here??

  • 62A: Uber request as RIDE made me think about how I had to get one of these when I was on a bike ride the other day and got a flat tire about seven miles from home and, *oops!* didn’t have a patch kit with me. I had to get a big Uber and take my tires off and get my hands all greasy…. Lesson learned! 
  • I’m pretty sure I know the SEPIA (22A) photo tint because that used to be a filter you could use on the Mac Photo Booth app, which I spent a lot of time on in my junior high years. 
  • Heaven help me, but every time I think of 29A: Once IN A Lifetime, I cannot help but start singing the start of the absolute classic deserving of all the awards, “Everyday,” from “High School Musical 2.” 
  • CHUTES and Ladders (41A) was one of my favorite board games growing up. I remember that game and Candyland and Monopoly (whenever I could convince someone to take the seven hours the game requires to play with me) and Clue were some of my favorites. 
  • I remember playing UNO (47A) with some friends for the first time and realizing that apparently everyone cheats and often makes up their own rules. Once I realized that, I had a great time. If anyone wants to get a big smile on their face, I recommend watching these two playing UNO!
And that's it — hope everyone stays safe and has a great month of May!

Signed, Clare Carroll, an almost law school graduate

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Joaquin 12:35 AM  

I’ve never been much of a drinker. This is not a matter of will-power or great character. I don’t abstain; I just never developed much of a taste for alcohol.

After finishing this puzzle, I realized three things: I have a well-stocked liquor cabinet; I have a huge pot of fresh mint growing on my patio; and I have never in my life had a mint JULEP.

So … today’s the day. After 55 years of marriage, my wife and I will be trying something new!**

**Mint Juleps - In case that wasn’t clear!

Note to Clare: Put me in the FAIR camp.

Unknown 12:56 AM  

Done! Not fair

MyName 12:56 AM  

I wonder if I'm the only idiot who instantly put in CLaP and then waisted a ton of time pondering the nature of the airlines' possible misbehavior...

Unknown 12:56 AM  

No clue what a nabob is

jae 1:07 AM  

Easy. So here is the Mon. puzzle. Smooth and it’s hard not to like a cocktail puzzle. A fine debut!

egsforbreakfast 1:16 AM  

This Monday puzzle, presented as a Tuesday, was far easier than yesterday’s Tuesday puzzle, presented as a Monday. But still, a nice and timely Derby theme that presented a perfect mix of JULEP makins’.

Clare says that what’s done is done is better than fair. I say, what’s mine is mine. Sometimes life isn’t fair. But I wish you, Clare, a sweet virtual graduation and best wishes in your possibly non-academic future.

Ben 1:52 AM  

Big issue with the theme -- you put simple syrup in a julep, not sugar. If you just put sugar in it, you're going to end up with a mostly unsweetened drink with disgustingly sugary dregs.

I also fell victim to ScARF vs SNARF and done vs FAIR

Also, please credit Bill Safire for “nattering nabobs of negativism” -- he was the one who wrote the speech for Agnew.

Sarah Henderson, BCCDC 1:55 AM  

We played Snakes and Ladders as kids, not Chutes and Ladders. Maybe it's a Canadian thing. Puzzle would have gone a lout smoother for me if we'd played Chutes and Ladders, but still enjoyable.

Anonymous 1:59 AM  

@ Eggs - I agree - What's mine is MINE, even if it's not FAIR.

Anonymous 2:01 AM  

Agree wtih eggs above. What's mine is MINE, even if it's not FAIR.

okanaganer 2:15 AM  

Clare, you are obtaining a unique historical thing, a pandemic degree. My nephew and niece are doing the same (and maybe it's good they don't know what they're missing, as university was such a vividly social time of my life). They have done an entire year at home!

Funny you should quote Spiro Agnew. I just finished watching The Post (set in 1971, about the Pentagon Papers) and then watched a Columbo episode also from 1971 (Roddy McDowell blows up James Gregory with an explosive cigar). Time travel! I was just a kid.

Oh yes the SCARF vs SNARF business... that's a problem. Leave the problem letter blank at first.

I did this in speed mode, where I don't even see half the clues as the answers are already filled in. So when I saw FINN I thought: I don't remember any Scandinavian clues! Oh ok Huck FINN!

I remember FAXING. Spent much of my workday doing that, 25+ years ago! Ephemeral technologies indeed. Probably listening to ICE ICE BABY at the time.

Frantic Sloth 2:31 AM  

Liked it. Fun theme.
Derby coming up will thrill my sister who is into the so-called "sport of kings", while I bemoan its existence as a "blood sport". I saw one horse injured, then destroyed and that was that for me.

What's done is done.


uwu 2:59 AM  

Unlike a mint JULEP, having Confederate REB and TIKI torches in the same puzzle did not leave a good taste.

JOHN X 3:13 AM  

Well this was a pretty easy puzzle but it was very fun. Once i got the themers BOURBONSTREET and MINTCONDITION I said out loud "I do believe this is a mint JULEP" and sakes alive it sure was. I liked SUGARDADDY the best because it is so sordid and that appeals to me.

I hate to say it but I also found Monday's puzzle very easy as well, and far from "Tuesday hard," whatever that is. I got it right away, but then I might be an idiot savant when I'm under the influence of powerful narcotics. Did you read those comments yesterday? They were a riot! I liked them. There was a grand debate on what's in a FOODCOURT, a whole contingent who disliked JANEAUSTEN (I'm with you I hate chick-lit too), and then the main event on the card was Sinead O'Connor and the Catholic Church.

First of all, Sinead O'Connor. Boy, there's a piece of work right there and apparently she just keeps getting nuttier. Second, I went to 12 years of Catholic school so you better f**king believe I'm anti-Catholic, yet I'm a Fourth Degree Knight of Columbus. I only joined for the hat and to fool everyone. Every August 30 I find an open-mike night somewhere in Los Angeles and I do my own a cappella version of "War" but substitute in the words "Second Battle of Bull Run" and then I tear up a picture of Union General John Pope, who lost a battle he should have won. There's not a dry eye in the house.

Did any of you see the Oscars? I didn't, and that's sort of why I'm posting this late. I was at Jack Nicholson's Oscar viewing party up on Mulholland and I don't know what I took but I woke up in a jail cell in San Bernardino on Monday morning with no shoes and wearing my underpants on the outside. I have no idea how I got there, but I slid all the deputies a C-note and they let me go but not before I had breakfast and it was terrific. Most drunk-tank breakfast is bad airline food but Berdoo served moist & fluffy freshly scrambled eggs, just right, with two sausage patties seasoned with sage I think, and perfectly toasted and buttered rye bread. Plus I had a small side of Honey Nut Cheerios with almond milk and a fruit plate.

I'm going to the Lakers game on Friday and my court-side seats are right next to Jack and Lou and I guess I should ask them what the hell happened and also if I won any Oscars.

chefwen 3:20 AM  

Are we going to have the SNARF scarf debate again? People scarf, dogs SNARF.

Great,, easy Tuesday. Agree SUGAR DADDY is more than a rich boyfriend, more like like a rich, married old guy who has a little action going on the sidelines.

Never had a Mint Julep, I think it’s time.

mathgent 5:15 AM  

Very pleasant. Filled it in quickly with no real hitches. Low number of threes (11) but not a corresponding high number of longs, sadly.

The clue at 63A for TAINT fascinates me. I've seen this kind of clue in some recent Puns and Anagrams puzzles by Daniel Raymon. They sometimes appear on Sundays. Here's one of his. " _ ersians m _ _ mu _ " for PURR. Do they have a name?

mathgent 5:24 AM  

@John X (3:13). Genius post.

Ann Howell 5:24 AM  

Also had DONE at 16A, which was the only corner that took a little time. Otherwise, felt very much like it should have been yesterday's puzzle!

The game CHUTES and Ladders is indeed "Snakes and Ladders" in Canada and the UK, so now lived longer in those countries rather than my native US, I instinctively went for SNAKES at 41A, but quickly realised that wasn't going to work.

The theme was cute... overall a quick, fun solve.

Anonymous 5:45 AM  

What's SAID is SAID

Conrad 5:48 AM  

Hand up for done before FAIR. Never thought of mine.

@Joaquin: Pat and I did the same thing three or four Derby Days ago. We got a mint julep recipe followed it and ... Man! Was that thing sweet! My advice is to use half the simple sugar the recipe calls for, test and add more to taste.

I didn't like the puzzle as much as @Clare and @Frantic did but I liked it way more than @Rex would have.

@Clare: Good luck in your soon-to-be real world life!

Nicholas Pappas 6:12 AM  

I am in the Done camp. I think of the other as "Fair's fair" instead of the entire statement of "What's done is done." Definitely tripped me up for a bit.

Son Volt 6:20 AM  

Why anyone would ruin perfectly good bourbon with sugar, mint or ice is beyond me. That said - we get a nice little puzzle today - cute theme and clean fill for the most part. Should have run closer to May 1 - but really liked the CLIP - CLOP connection. After the Vanilla Ice clue I figured we were in for it - but was pleasantly surprised with BOURBON STREET. Liked RAINY DAY and the upstate shout-out to ONEIDA.
Recall NABOB being used in Downton Abbey - I believe it has a connection to the British Indian somehow.

Enjoyable Tuesday solve.

Anonymous 6:27 AM  

also DONE

amyyanni 6:57 AM  

Congrats, Clare. Now onto the bar exam. Great review. Never had a julep and that's okay. Will stick with a martini. Kitchen redo starts today.

Seth 7:02 AM  

What's done is done and cannot be undone - Lady Macbeth.

When done didn't fit because I had TAIPEI I tried 'past' and a few other variations- had to leave and come back to it with more fill to find FAIR. So done for me!

Can we address, though, the IRE/IRAE, YEA/AYES/EYES, SPAIN/SPRINT weirdness? At least with CLIP/CLOP they made it a part of the puzzle, but these groupings (all in the east/southeast) felt very off to me.

Seth 7:04 AM  

Oh and people who didn't know NABOB obviously didn't obsessively listen to the Aladdin soundtrack growing up like I did. From 'Friend Like Me' performed by the incomparable Robin Williams:

"Mister Aladdin, sir, have a wish or two or three
I'm on the job, you big nabob
You ain't never had a friend like me!"

SouthsideJohnny 7:12 AM  

There definitely seems to be a consensus thus far that the Monday and Tuesday puzzles got switched up this week. This one only had a few items to tip-toe around amidst the plethora of gimmies and 3-footers (the Greek contingent PSI, CHI, always a detriment to a puzzle - ADANO, whoever or wherever that is, and the unfortunate IRAE are really the only goofy components today).

What a breath of fresh air Clare brings to the tone of the daily blog post - not at all like the other grumpy old dude. Speaking of grumpy old dudes, it was weird to see Claire refer to photo apps from her junior high days as if it is some bygone era from back in the dark ages - anyone still have their SLR hanging around in a closet somewhere ?

Sane guy 7:18 AM  

My bone to pick- faxing is not obsolete. Especially in the finance and medical industries, it is still highly used.

bocamp 7:22 AM  
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RTWhite 7:25 AM  

1. If you're OK with ICE ICE BABY (which I am) at 17A, 59A should have been SUGAR SUGAR
2. Make 1A CROP => 2D becomes RACE (another Derby term!). Not a big fan of connected entries in a puzzle unless they're themers
3. IRE (30A) and IRAE (54A)? YEA (55A) and AYES (57D)? PSI (4D) and CHI (28D)?

Anonymous 7:40 AM  




Trockmn 7:44 AM  

What's past is past.

bagelboy 8:02 AM  

How bad does a politician have to be so that the speechwriter, William Safire, gets credit for the quote (NABOB), rather than the orator. You never see Reagan's or JFK's or FDR's speechwriters getting the main credit.

Anonymous 8:02 AM  

Two great puzzles to start the week. I am not concerned about day placement. 'done' was my first thought but oops.....wrong. Q is missing (probably kidnapped by the deep state). I stay warm in the winter thanks to a wool SNARF that my mother knit for me years ago.

bocamp 8:04 AM  

Thank you @Jeff for this smooth Tues. puz! :)

Great write-up @Clare! Congrats on your grad, and all the best in your career! FAIR is FAIR, but to be 'fair', I already had OFFER.

Easy+ solve.

On my wavelength the whole way. Very enjoyable trip! :)

Always enjoyed playing CHUTES & Ladders with the granddaughters.

Just finished re-reading The Adventures of Tom Sawyer. Lots of HUCK FINN in it.

BOURBON STREET Blues ~ Louis Prima

yd pg -1

Peace ~ Empathy ~ Kindness to all 🕊

pabloinnh 8:14 AM  

I'm with the easier-than-yesterday crowd, but so what. Fun puzzle, but if you're starting by going across, of course CLIP comes first and CLOP is read going down, and it's another fine mess you've gotten us into, Stanley.

Otherwise smelt-smooth and a nicely knit themer, only a mild objection to the revealer in the middle instead of at the end. I ma not a hard liquor person and the younger generation's fasciation with mixed drinks is beyond me. My father-in-law used to go outside on Derby Day and pick some wild mint to use in his juleps, but I think it was just another good excuse to drink some bourbon.

Another of John X's adventures has convinced me that he's one of the illegitimate offspring of Hunter S. Thompson. Not sure how many more of those there are, but I'm thinking probably a lot.

Nice job, JMD. A timely Julep, Mint, Derby production.

TJ 8:16 AM  

Also started with done is done and ALSO mixed up clip and clop!

The Joker 8:19 AM  

"What's____is____." FAIR, done, past, said, over, gone, & probably more. Who knew that a crossword clue could have more than one plausible answer?

SpyGuy 8:25 AM  

Got to ICE ICE BABY, BOURBON STREET, and SUGARDADDY very quickly. And then I was like, "I am just not seeing 'BITTERS' anywhere in this final long answer"???? And, OLD FASHIONED isn't coming in anywhere??? Then, got to the tie-in clue and everything fell in to place. To early for a Julep even under WFH rules.......cheers!

kenji 8:26 AM  

I learned "nabob" not only from Agnew but from all-time favorite movie (original theatrical release) Apocalypse Now: (Kurtz) "I watched a snail crawling on the edge of a straight razor. That’s my dream. That’s my nightmare. Crawling, slithering along the edge of a straight razor and surviving…. But we must kill them. We must incinerate them, pig after pig, cow after cow, village after village, army after army. And they call me an assassin. What do you call it when the assassins accuse the assassin? They lie and we have to be merciful to those who lie. Those nabobs. I do hate them."

Nancy 8:28 AM  

What's not to like about a puzzle built around a nice cocktail? Though, as a Northerner, I've never had a MINT JULEP.

Nothing hard here. Although my CLIP of CLIPCLOP went in at 1A and vice-versa, and both had to be changed. And I did wait to see if it would be ScARF or SNARF. Also, by the time I got to what I was sure would be DONE, I already had crosses and wrote in FAIR.

What's nice about the theme is that all the theme words are used in a non-food-and-liquor way.

A BOURBON story. My father, who prided himself on the depth and variety of his liquor cabinet and who also was a wonderful host, was embarrassed to discover that, when a guest at a dinner party asked for BOURBON, he'd unknowingly run out of it. Dad was a rye drinker (they're quite similar in taste, but rye, a blended whiskey, is smoother than bourbon). Anyway, my father, thinking quickly, poured the guest a glass of Four Roses rye, brought it over to the man and said: "I'm afraid I don't have any Jack Daniels. I hope you'll like this one." The man took a few sips and said: "I do like it. In fact, it's one of the best bourbons I've ever tasted."

Barbara S. 8:36 AM  

I’m now regretting never having had a MINT JULEP in my earlier life (before I gave up alcohol). I comfort myself that I would have found it too sweet. But it would have been in the category of trying a classic like, say, Baked Alaska. I liked the puzzle and I’m not much concerned with the possible Monday/Tuesday switch, although I can see how people might feel that way. I found there were several answers that turned out to be not what my fingers wanted to enter: the aforementioned SNARF/ScARF, CHUTES/snakES and FAIR/done. I filled in FAIR right away, though, because I already had two crosses. Also there were IRANI/IRANIan and OPTIC fiber, which I wanted to reverse to FIBER optic.

I liked FUTON being termed an informal bed. I wonder what a formal bed would be? Maybe a four-poster with embroidered curtains and lace trim. Or a semi-formal bed? Maybe something to do with silk sheets. Yesterday I marvelled at 16 A answers. Today we have 15 answers starting with S. Oh, and Here’s That RAINY DAY.

This is a speech from a play written by AUGUST WILSON, born Apr. 27, 1945.

“ROSE: I married your daddy and settled down to cooking his supper and keeping clean sheets on the bed. When your daddy walked through the house he was so big he filled it up. That was my first mistake. Not to make him leave some room for me. For my part in the matter. But at that time I wanted that. I wanted a house that I could sing in. And that's what your daddy gave me. I didn't know to keep up his strength I had to give up little pieces of mine. I did that. I took on his life as mine and mixed up the pieces so that you couldn't hardly tell which was which anymore. It was my choice. It was my life and I didn't have to live it like that. But that's what life offered me in the way of being a woman and I took it. I grabbed hold of it with both hands.”
(From Fences)

SpyGuy 8:37 AM  

@bagelboy - one exception, you very commonly see Peggy Noonan get the credit for the post-Challenger speech that Reagan gave.

Z 8:38 AM  

I didn’t put done in because I had two letters already. Got FAIR before thinking of mine or past, thankfully.

@Son Volt - Your first sentence - 👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽

@Sane guy - of a kind or style no longer current : OLD-FASHIONED - Merriam-Webster
That seems pretty spot on. Leave it to a clue writer to use meaning 1b instead of meaning 1a.

@I don’t care about DoW placement people - Yet it is a basic premise of the NYTX, progressively harder puzzles from Monday to Saturday, Sundays being double-sized puzzles at roughly a Thursday level of difficulty. It’s universally accepted in crossworld to the extent that you can see it used as a measure for other puzzles. The USA Today - mostly Mondays and Tuesdays with an occasional Wednesday. New Yorker goes reverse order with their Monday puzzles never much harder than a Friday. People can make such observations and other solvers know pretty much exactly what you’re saying. When the editorial team messes up placement it’s as if they are saying this week teaspoons are tablespoons and inches are centimeters. Do this often enough and anarchy and the end of human civilization are soon to follow.

- As far as the NYTX is concerned anything having to do with eating will be SNARF. I can’t recall a single time where an eating clue resulted in ScARF. Everywhere else I would use ScARF, but when I am solving I just force myself to not write in the “C” and confirm with the down that it is the N yet again. {Wow - the iPad autocorrupted the “N” to “Ñ” - now I really want it to be SÑARF - maybe crossing AÑO}

@Frantic Sloth - I thought for sure that Lookie Loo 1A/1D would inspire Sloth Wrath.

Best Tuesday Ever.

Ernest Shackleton 8:41 AM  

Except Ted Sorensen, JFK’s writer.

Z 8:45 AM  

Oops - I must have messed up my html so here’s that paragraph again

SNARF v ScARF - As far as the NYTX is concerned anything having to do with eating will be SNARF. I can’t recall a single time where an eating clue resulted in ScARF. Everywhere else I would use ScARF, but when I am solving I just force myself to not write in the “C” and confirm with the down that it is the N yet again. {Wow - the iPad autocorrupted the “N” to “Ñ” - now I really want it to be SÑARF - maybe crossing AÑO}

Nancy 8:47 AM  

I'll second @mathgent: What a wonderful post, @JOHN X!!! (And, FWIW, I didn't watch the Oscars either.)

Because JOHN X has been kind enough to privilege me with his true identity, I can tell you that some of the wilder claims in his post today -- the non-jail-related ones -- could actually be true. You can tear my fingernails out one by one and I won't reveal any more than that, but -- who knows? -- he might have been at that Jack Nicholson Oscar-viewing party and he might be waiting to find out if he won an Oscar. And beyond that, my lips are sealed. Good luck, @JOHN X!

JonB3 8:50 AM  

What's past is prologue. Oops - doesn't fit.

Julie 8:59 AM  

I put in Done first.

I'm in outpatient medicine, and the Fax clue was hard for me, because we still use fax ALL THE TIME, as in hundreds of times daily. Obsolescent? Not in my world.

RooMonster 9:02 AM  

Hey All !
Well, Dang Clare! Seems just yesterday you were 16, and blogging for the first time. Holy moly, had it been 8 years already? Why is time going by so fast? I'm sure it seemed to drag on for you, Clare, but enjoy your youth while it's happening, cause trust me, the older you get, the quicker it goes. (I used to hate when people said that when I was younger! Should've heeded the advice!)

Anyway, regarding SNARF, I put it in immediately! The NYTXW Always uses SNARF as "eating" anything. SCARF is used for the neck wrap. Hand up for DONE first for FAIR (although changing it for an F is nice!), but nothing was jiving in they corner with DONE.

Once I got the P of PER, knew 1A/1D would be CLIPCLOP, so wrote in both CL-P, and waited to see which one had the I and O.

Did Jeff use ICEICEBABY because a JULEP requires two ICE cubes? Or just because it was symmetrical?

Q short of a pangram. Try harder next time, Jeff. 😁

Very nice puz. Agree with the Mon-TuesPuz switcheroo-ers, but a nice puz anyway. Light dreck, nice non-meaning-stretched themers, easy clues. YEA, I liked it. ☺️

Four F's

TTrimble 9:04 AM  

I've only learned today that the phrase "nattering NABOBs of negativism" is to be ascribed to Safire and not Agnew. It's really a stupid, ungainly, and ugly conjoining of words. I think it was meant to sound impressive. It tries too hard and fails.

I don't accept on your authority that Greek letters are a detriment to crosswords. A Bell for ADANO is a pretty well-known novel. I do like your use of the word "plethora" (a word of Greek origin).

I think mint JULEPs are kind of yummy, so I hope you and yours enjoy them.

Heh, I've fallen into the ScARF/SNARF trap before. Fool me once...

I'll sign up for Team Like for today's. Felt about right for a Tuesday.

Today's SB is a pain in the patoot. Having hit the pg mark, I may cash in. Got other things to do.

albatross shell 9:09 AM  

What's gone is gone. Maybe even What's good is good. Evil? A pile of possibilities. Many good answers.

Five double POC's, including two rare types. The homophone double POC, EYES AYES. The double-double crossing POC, SHOTS-CLUES crossing SCOPES-SNEERS. Far different than yesterday's low count.

All the basic ingredients of the MINT JULEP. SUGAR as powder or syrup form. Definitely not corn syrup.


JULEP can mean Mint Julep or a sweetened drink with alcohol or medicine. Brandy can be substituted for BOURBON if need be. JULEP first used in the 14th century.

I have a Vietnam vet friend on military disability. He attracts young women looking for a SUGARDADDY like a horse's ass attracts flies. He's 71.

Yesterday I had to jump around a bit to solve but never much of a pause. Today I hit many rough patches. ICEICEBABY was the biggest PPP holdup. Some interesting choices for Z on what to count as PPP I would think.

burtonkd 9:15 AM  

I rediscovered the joy of solving on paper, where cross referenced clues aren't so bothersome, it's easier to change direction and jump around the puzzle, plus any fill in the blank clue jumps out at you on the page.

So many 6 letter rivers in NY beginning with "O": Oswego, Owasco, Oswayo, Ottawa, Ozonia, Osgood, Oquaga, ONEIDA - okay I looked up a few of those....and now see that it had to also be a lake, which eliminates a few.

@Sarah Henderson: Snakes and Ladders sounded shocking first time I heard it, I think you're right. On a related note, I was on a train ride with a Swiss friend and she pulled out some paper, drew an 8x8 grid, and proceeded to color in squares of 2-5 squares long. I felt so ripped off having been excited by the big plastic behemoth of the Battleship game when all we needed was pencil and paper (mini-unintentional theme today (@Z, I see your point about Will and the puzzle)

What's LOST is LOST.

Every once in a while, someone still asks me if I can fax something over to them. I get to say, "what century are we living in?". Or, "I'll send the photo over when it's dry from the darkroom." Not a good look for your business. (Sorry, Sane Guy - although I do think it was a doctor's office)

I was waiting for the Rexrant for sugar daddy. Nice job today Clare

Unknown 9:17 AM  

Congratulations, Clare. Never thought of using Uber as a backup for a flat on a bike, good idea!

JD 9:18 AM  

Filled it in from top to bottom with no hesitation and without the usual typo. Can't decide if Sugar Daddy is more insulting to men or women. I prefer to think it as the caramel lollypop.

@Ernest Shackleton and @SpyGuy, I too thought of Sorensen and Noonan. Had to look up Roosevelt's speech writer (Samuel Irving Rosenman). But I'm guessing wondering Roosevelt was his own best writer.

@Z, I did a Wednesday from the archives yesterday (can't remember the year), and the theme was “Ñ”.

Jeff 9:21 AM  

I'm another vote for DONE before DAIR. Liked OVERBOOK and RAINYDAY. Not a fan of the ICEICEBABY/ADANO cross - never heard of them, but at least the shared "A" was easily guessible. Not a Natick, but Natick-adjacent. Maybe Framinghan.

I also enjoyed being reminded of Sarah Vaughn - Ray Charles had a good version too.

The Dies Irae was part of the Roman Catholic Mass for the Dead but has appeared in all sorts of other places - I like Berlioz' version. This should be played loud enough that people a block away hear it.

Anonymous 9:30 AM  

@Seth - Right there with you! Thoughts of Robin Williams' brilliant performance as Genie always come to mind when I see the word "Nabob"

Jennifer 9:42 AM  

I put done too!

albatross shell 9:47 AM  

I believe the NYT is consistent about connected clues. The one with the actual clue comes first. The one with see clue Xacross or Ydown comes second. So CLIP CLOP today. No problem. So it has been, so it shall ever be. At least I think so.
Now if anybody can tell me if there is a difference between the clue Think (on) and Think with "on".

Anonymous 9:52 AM  

Usually (risky to say always) in the type of cross reference clues in today's puzzle, the clue starting with "With" is the first word of the 2 word pair. Thus the clue beginning "See" is the second word.

Whatsername 9:52 AM  

If you’re going to make a crossword puzzle featuring a drink associated with a horse race, then CLIP CLOP is an excellent way to START. Have to say though that I didn’t really pay much mind to the theme because if someone asked me to make a JULEP I wouldn’t know where to begin. Other than MINT maybe. Loved the clue for TAINT. Who knew?

Congratulations on a fine debut, Jeff and happy birthday! I’m guessing your dogs’ names are BIRDIE and AMBER? OTTO and FINN? TATER and HUCK? CLIP and CLOP? Chime in and let us know please. I’m curious. Photos welcome.

Congratulations also to you, Clare on your law school finale. Wow! That is an impressive accomplishment. Glad to hear you’re headed back home for the big day. Wishing you great success. And for your 16A poll, I immediately cast my YEA vote for DONE.

Anonymous 9:54 AM  


Why in the Name of All That Is Good and Holy would you want to know? Would you want to dine at Mar-a-Lago at table with The Orange Sh!tgibbon (not my coinage, but I cleave)? And other such calumny. Remember, one is judged by the company one keeps.

Dr. Colossus Ph.D 9:56 AM  

@ burtonkd 9:15 AM

Fax transmissions are more secure than email because they are unlikely to be intercepted. That’s why sensitive medical information is requested to be sent via fax.

Film is still the gold standard of photographic imaging, which is why there are so many “film look” filters for digital imagery. Black & white negative film is still the highest resolution imaging system by area, film or digital. The best way to scan B&W negative is to print it to photo paper and then scan that. This is because film scanners are designed to read the dye-clouds of color films and not the silver halide salts of B&W negatives.

BONUS: Phonographic LPs are acoustically superior to CDs and all other digital formats.

In all three above cases, digital is used only because it is cheaper or easier.

Mikey from El Prado 10:02 AM  

And this whole puzzle is really themed the Kentucky Derby.... CLIP CLOP go the horses, and your SUGAR DADDY, who’s a real NABOB of society, will get you a great view. And, look at you in that ORNATE hat! Looks like it’s going to be a RAINYDAY, so bet on a mudder!

Banya 10:06 AM  

I wrote in DONE and was sure it was right until I couldn't get any downs.

Birchbark 10:18 AM  

Is what's FAIR FAIR?

How now, my lord! Why do you keep alone,
Of sorriest fancies your companions making,
Using those thoughts which should indeed have died
With them they think on? Things without all remedy
Should be without regard. What's DONE is DONE.

-- Lady Macbeth, Act III, Scene 2.

Anonymous 10:28 AM  

Dr. Colossus Ph.D:
Black & white negative film is still the highest resolution imaging system by area, film or digital.

Well... may be, but not always. Pan-X at 32 is the finest grained film I ever knew. Tri-X at 400, not so much. Kodachrome, RIP, is the best colour film ever made. K25 owns a large piece of my heart. The reason for its superiority: there are no colour dyes in the emulsion, just three wave-length distinct B&W layers. The processing, which is tedious, replaces the exposed silver with (nearly) archival dyes. There are K10 (the first version) slides from the 40s that look like new. Print you Kodachrome slide in dye-transfer and it will last as long as a DaVinci.

Dan P 10:32 AM  

Anyone else bothered by clue at 24D? I hear "fiber OPTICs" and "OPTICal fiber" but never "OPTIC fiber"

Peter in Chicago 10:32 AM  

Is the Monday-Tuesday-Wednesday-level thing an immutable law of physics? Or just an assumption? The New Yorker has rightly upended that whole business and it's a relief to me.

I only know SUGARDADDY in the context of gay relationships so the clue and answer as shown seem correct. I acknowledge that gay relationships have culturally appropriated the term from heterosexuality but any conclusions that you draw from it about extramarital infidelity are on you, not the crossword.

Anonymous 10:35 AM  

Okay I’ll just say it. I think John X is Leonardo DiCaprio.

albatross shell 10:36 AM  

Hello ADANO my old friend
You've come to see me once again
A bell I dreamt was softly weeping
Awoke me from my fitful sleeping

Better stop there before it gets worse.

Common crossword entry from late 40's to maybe early 70's?
Still shows up every year or two.

Newboy 10:38 AM  

I’ll drink to Jeff’s grid & our fearless backup scribe’s newly minted degree any day...even Tuesday! (Course finding a reason for a toast isn’t unique). Thanks 🤩

burtonkd 10:50 AM  

@Dr Colossus - I was being a little flippant, but I appreciated your elaborations, and as my wife says, there is always a reason:)
You listed areas where film has an advantage over digital, i.e. fine grain on B&W. There are other areas where digital is the better tool, not only for convenience.
Film look filters are often an artistic or sentimental choice. Sepia, which showed up yesterday?, is lovely but doesn't give a more realistic or superior view. Plus, with digital it is a choice.

LPs are different than digital. I am not anti-LP and appreciate the warm color, but that is not necessarily a more accurate representation of the original acoustic music. Plus, I hear the needle noise, any imperfections in turntable speed, not to mention scratches or skips if you walk around. Much of the anti-digital bias came from early recordings that were harsh and not near as well made.

Anonymous 10:54 AM  

Actually Agnew was a gifted politician. His talent was almost preternatural. Google him and find out just how far he went, essentially, under his own steam. And more than a few political scientists think his being on the ticket in `68 was the difference in several key Midwest states.
As for speechwriters. You're kidding right? Peggy Noonan is exceptionally well known and the entrée to her appearance on all those Sunday Morning talk shows is her bona fides as one of Reagan's favorite speech writers. Ted Sorensen, JFK's favorite speech writer, has been the subject of scores of Docs exploring his role in the Kennedy White House. Hell, John Favreau, Obamas' fave has 1.5 million twitter followers. It aint his charm that's made him famous. Its the fact that he was the go-to guy for that dude that preceded president Trump.

Crimson Devil 11:04 AM  

Unfortunately, IRS agents still use FAX only, not email.
Rachel Maddow has recent book re Agnew, and drama surrounding getting him out before fall of Nixon.
Done instead of FAIR.

Frantic Sloth 11:08 AM  

@Canadian Commenters WOE could a game entitled "Snakes and Ladders" consist of?? If these are ladder-climbing snakes, well, that's it for me. 🤣

@Oscar-shunners Good call. Worst. Oscars. Ever.

@pablounnh 814am Forgot to mention the theme in the middle nit. Glad you're on top of things.

@Z 838am Only Sloth Miff for 1A/1D, but 19A/42D provoked a snorty "harrumph." Might be mellowing in my dotage. 🤷‍♀️
Then again, the whole placement thing of CLIP/ CLOP got my cork, so maybe not.

@TTrimble 904am Ditto your SNARF/ScARF comment. Although, it usually takes more than twice.

@albie 947am Good point about CLIP/CLOP, but it's still annoying.

Whatsername 11:11 AM  

@Frantic (2:31) I view horse racing as a sport the same as I do hunting. I don’t criticize those who choose to participate, but I don’t want to watch or look at their bloody photos either.

@Barbara (8:36) Well you’ve done it again! Made me wonder how the author knew my exact thoughts. It describes perfectly the reasons I first got married decades ago and why I’ll never do it again.

@Dr. Colussus (9:56) Thanks for that comment about FAXING being more secure. I recently took a direct deposit form to my bank and asked them to fax it to my payroll office. They refused, saying it was not a reliable means of transmission because they had no way of knowing where it was being sent. I argued that it was my money, my account, and I knew where it was going but to no avail.

Anonymous 11:13 AM  

SUGAR DADDY was, and is, a heterosexual term - coined when the gays were still closeted

albatross shell 11:15 AM  

Yes I resisted putting in OPTIC until the crosses forced me to.
However fiber optics or optical fiber is not something I deal with or talk about.

Also wondered about the size of molecules and atoms. I'm somewhat sure large atoms are bigger than small molecules. Does that invalidate the clue? But how sizes of such things are measured may vary? Nucleus, electron cloud?

CDilly52 11:22 AM  

@okanagamer 2:15 - I sent and received many faxes 40 years ago when we called them “telefaxes” and they came on that smeary onion skin paper that you had to photocopy (on machines also from 40 years ago!) in order not to lose the material on the fax! Put it in a file with other papers and fit just smeared into illegibility. And we thought it was magic. I especially remember waiting by the machine for a specific Supreme Court decision to be handed down and being the one entrusted with each filmy page as it came out. Run to the copy machine, copy, return, repeat. Memory lane moment for sure.

CDilly52 11:30 AM  

@chefwen: AMEN and AMEN on scarf/snarf!

Z 11:30 AM  

Regarding speechwriters - I think Safire pierced the public consciousness the most because of his NYT On Language column. The others mentioned are all pretty inside baseball, known to politics junkies and historians, but not as much to the unwashed masses. Not that Safire is all that famous either, but my sense is that if you asked 1,000 random people on the street he’s the only one who would get named, and even then probably by fewer than five people (and probably getting to be fewer as time passes). It’s interesting to me that his “nattering” line is mentioned in his NYT Obit.
I’d put Noonan currently in second, but again, I have my doubts about her fame beyond political junkies.

Nancy 11:32 AM  

@Anon 9:54 -- I imagine that @JOHN X would be very enjoyable "company to keep". As for you, Anon 9:54, maybe you are and maybe you aren't, but I surely wouldn't bet the bank on it. I happen to like amusing people and, if you don't "get" JOHN X, well, maybe humor is not your middle name?

American Liberal Elite 11:36 AM  

Safire also put the words "effete core of impudent snobs" into Agnew's mouth.

The Joker 11:47 AM  

I just knew that today's blog would devolve into a fight over how well known presidential speech writers are.

JD 12:02 PM  

@Peter in Chicago, It's not necessarily marital infidelity, but I guess it doesn't even have to involve any of the traditional stuff.

1 : a well-to-do usually older man who supports or spends lavishly on a mistress, girlfriend, or boyfriend. 2 : a generous benefactor of a cause or undertaking.

Z 12:03 PM  

@albatross shell 11:15 - That’s an interesting question. If I’m remembering correctly an electron’s distance from the core is unmeasurable, making the size of an atom unknowable. Basically an atom’s size can only be given a probabilistic estimate and isn’t actually fixed because electrons don’t just sit still. And what do we do with an ion? One could certainly argue that a “missing” ion isn’t really missing, making the atom quite large. I mean, some hydrogen atom from the primordial big bang aftermath might have a lost electron on the other side of the universe.*

*😂🤣😂🤣😂 - If your head is exploding at that please stop taking things so seriously.

CT2Napa 12:13 PM  

Here's the NGRAM on snarf/scarf down. You decide.

CDilly52 12:19 PM  

Congrats Clare!! The slog is almost over, but the bar exam looms large. Many of my law school posse slacked shamefully in the last semester, but we did start working on bar review. Because I worked at the law library and knew everyone, one of the companies that sells the bar review courses approached me and offered me it’s free bar review course if I would (in my own time of course) sign people up for that product. Easily done. I got the materials early in the second semester and we buckled down. Thankfully. I, too recall your lengthy “career” on this blog and all I can say is my how the time files! I wish you nothing but happiness as you brave the world! Personally, I’d go back to school forever if I could; I just love universities and learning.

Now that I am finally back to some semblance of normal after a knee replacement that was incredibly problematic due to the extra year I had to wait because of the pandemic. But, I have read the blog daily, just didn’t have the energy to post. However, Inextend my sincere thanks to all of you for keeping me entertained for part of the day!!

I’m in the “done” crowd. Thankfully, it didn’t last long because I got TAIPEI quickly and moved on with FAIR. However, if I use FAIR, like another poster, I would say FAIR’s FAIR. For whatever that’s worth.

On the mint JULEP. As an “old school” lawyer, I am quite familiar with cocktails. In fact, I have been practicing long enough that in my private practice days, cocktail time often came just as the front doors were locked and the phones set to the night service. One of my mentors called this “think time” and he was not wrong. The one thing about a challenging private practice I miss most as a government lawyer is the ability to dig into the law during the casual “think time” sessions. Lawyers dearly live to “take the other side,” and these excellent friends and colleagues were only too happy to challenge each other over the evening cocktail.

Anyway, the JULEP. Too, too, too sweet for me. However, I did find some high end mint syrup from Woodford Reserve. The recipe on the label suggests 30ml of BOURBON and 10ml of the syrup. Mix (or shake with ice) and pour over crushed ice. Garnish with mint sprigs. I find 10ml of syrup too much - it’s roughly 2 taps. I only use 5ml (1 tap) and it is pleasantly but not overly sweet. I also muddle some extra mint in the glass because I like mine extra minty.

So glad to be back. Another week of rest and rehab and I should be back to normal with two good knees!! Apparently my hips are next. sheesh! Thanks again to one and all for helping keep me entertained and sane (well, that may be debatable).

Anoa Bob 12:23 PM  

After a week of puzzles with hardly any plurals of convenience (POC) I was thinking it might be time to unplug my trusty POCometer and put it in some Crossword Museum somewhere.

Today, however, the dang thing almost blew a fuse. Out of ten opportunities (where an Across and a Down share a final square) to use the ultra convenient two-for-one POC, five of them showed up. And I must be slipping because I only counted four at first, but the eagle-eyed albatross shell @9:09 AM correctly spotted five of the grid-fill friendly shared final Ss. That's really a bumper crop that bumps up a 36 black square grid count to a virtual 41 black square grid count.

Crossword construction programs and word lists don't make distinctions between singulars and plurals and so it's up to the constructor to make the extra effort not to settle for those non-nutritional (so to speak) final shared Ss whenever possible. They just take up space without adding anything of value or interest to the puzzle.

Cameron Swartzell 12:23 PM  

Absolutely. It was odd

Unknown 12:25 PM  

My bloodhounds are Huck and Julep. Thanks for asking.

Jeff B. 12:25 PM  

Today's puzzle was a lot easier than yesterday's and very enjoyable. Got FAIR from crosses. So many possibilities.

Congrats to Clare!

Loved the post from JOHN X. I'm certainly curious to know how anyone could get from a party on Mulholland to San Berdoo in the same night, let alone into the jail. At least he got a good meal out of it. Guess I need to find a way to watch Friday's Lakers game.

Ferguson 12:28 PM  


Anonymous 12:30 PM  

Effete impudent snobs comes from the famous De Moines speech. Set politics on its ear. It was Pat Buchanan who wrote it for Agnew. Not Mr. Safire.

So much for the liberal elite.

Masked and Anonymous 12:33 PM  

Used to get together with a group of close friends to watch the Kentucky Derby every year -- the host always made some tasty mint julep drinks for all of us to enjoy, as we wagered our allotted 100 buttcoins on the Derby's horses. Our house would always furnish the mint leaves, out of our scrubby back garden. Them days are pretty much gone, for many a sad reason …

But, we *did* spend last night drinkin mighty fine wines and teachin our nephew from Poland how to play Contract Bridge, so that he could catch up to the game that his 7-year-old son already has. And tonite we take our nephew's dad [my partner in schlock flickfest crime] out for a B-day dinner. Sooo … Life just keeps movin on, like some dammed river. But, I digress.

Cool TuesPuz … with a starts-of-themers theme, which seems to pop up ever-so-quite regularly.

staff weeject pick: ALE, crossin JULEP dead-center.

Thanx for the drinx, Mr. McDermott. And congratz on yer debut.

Masked & Anonymo5Us


KnittyContessa 12:36 PM  

Hi Clare, I made every mistake you did!

Does anyone like Mint JULEPS? Bourbon has always been my favorite. I was in New Orleans many years ago and thought it was time I tried a Mint Julep. When I ordered one the waiter asked me if I had ever had one. I said, no, but I do love bourbon. He scrunched up his nose and shook his head and warned me that they were nasty. I insisted. He was right. Nasty.

Isabel 12:53 PM  

What's done is done!

Same issue with clip/clop, but ice ice baby set me straight.

GILL I. 1:00 PM  

@RTWhite 7:25.....YES! you are absolutely right. SUGAR SUAGR by the Archies would have been that little cherry on top of the banana.
So we're talking MINT JULEP's? I had one... exactly once. It knocked me off my keister. I drank it, of all places, at the Hipodromo de la Zarzuela race course in Madrid. I had a dear elderly gentleman friend who loved horse racing. He was an Australian entrepreneur who loved to bet. He was also the funniest, handsomest man I knew. Anyway, he introduced me to the drink and told me all about the "American" tradition. For some strange reason, the Spanish bar tender knew exactly how to make them.....
@Nancy...Your Dad and mine would have gotten along famously. He, however, would've known the difference between a Rye and a Bourbon. Actually, his forte (pronounced fort) was making daiquiris. You came to our house for dinner, the glasses were in the freezer and the lime freshly squeezed.
@CDilly....Happy recoveries.
@Clare....Good thought going your way. I'm sure you'll make a good lawyer. It seems like only yesterday that you were still in High School.
@John X. Have you ever been to a Tijuana jail? They serve the best juevos rancheros this side of the Mississippi.

Redd 1:09 PM  

Done is done. Optic fiber. No. Fiber Optic. Yes.

Barbara S. 1:15 PM  

@Frantic (11:08)
We Canadians climbed up ladders and slid down snakes. Well, they were a lot more exciting than tame old chutes -- you never knew if you were going to get bit! (I jest, of course, I'm sure that apart from serpentine content the two games were/are identical.)

Teedmn 1:16 PM  

Looking at con__m__a_e in 63A, my thoughts first went to "consummate" (not quite long enough) but that TAINT right. STY cleaned up that mess.

I have the Greek alphabet memorized but after all these years, I still get the order of phi, CHI, PSI mixed up so 28D was briefly pHI. I guess I need a mnemonic!

The closest to a mint julep I've ever gotten is a mojito (sugar, ice and mint in common.) I'm sure I'd enjoy a julep, but I don't usually drink hard liquor.

Congratulations on the debut, Jeff McDermott, and happy birthday.

misterarthur 1:39 PM  

Done and Done. Oops.

jberg 1:44 PM  

I've had a couple of MINT JULEPS at Derby=day parties, served in little metal cups; maybe that cuts the sweetness, as I enjoyed them. Anyway, this one put a smile on my face, despite some flaws. No one yet has mentioned AMBERS, maybe the worst POC ever -- and then FAXING, a participle of convenience and the aforementioned reversal f fiber OPTIC.

Obsolescent means it's on the way out, not that no one used it. Banks and medical offices are both security conscious and old-fashioned, and have decided that sending a fax is somehow more secure than scanning a document into a PDF, password-protecting it, and sending it by email; or (as is becoming more common in health care), putting it on a secure website and making you login to get it. Anyhoo, in another twenty years no one will use them.

I looked at the 16A clue, and thought "that could be anything, better wait for the crosses." Even when I had FA__ I thought, "well, it could be FAte." As has been said, fair's fair is the actual saying.

And then there are those horses. Quite a few sounds you could have there, and the C is crossed only by another part of the answer. Alfred Noyes had them going "tLOP tLPO!" in "The Highwayman." To my shame, I don't know the #1 hit ICE ICE BABY, but that seemed plausible, which saved my day.

If you listen to Will Shortz's weekend gig on NPR, it's full of clues that involve taking a word and changing it into another one by adding or removing letters. Not to my taste, but some like it.

What I learned today: one of the OTTOs was great.

Anonymous 1:50 PM  

Good golly this puzzle has a TAINT!!!!

Editors completely chickened out on the clue...but still...TAINT in the New York Times just days after Cornholio!

bocamp 2:23 PM  

Knew 1A/1D was CLIP CLOP, so just entered the clp's and waited on the vowels.

In my previous post I mentioned CHUTES and Ladders. Being in Canada, it probably should have been Snakes and Ladders. I'll have to text the granddaughters to verify. In any event it was one of our fave games.

@egsforbreakfast (1:16 AM)

Agreed re: swapping the Mon. & Tues. puzzes.

@okanaganer (2:15 AM)

Gotta love those coincidences; and thx for 'The Post'; got it on my 'next up' list. Also, agree on leaving the S_ARF (c) or (n) for later.

@Teedmn (1:16 PM)

Ditto the mnemonic for the Greek alphabet. Next project.

@TTrimble (9:04 AM)

I may take a seat next to you on the SB bench today. Recalled 11 words from the List and am now dog paddling to stay afloat.

pg -20

Peace ~ Empathy ~ Kindness to all 🕊

oldactor 2:51 PM  

Pat O'Brian's bar in New Orleans is famous for it's mint juleps. One afternoon my sister (Justice of Appeals in Dallas) sat at the bar drinking Juleps. They had bushels of fresh mint that you could smell on the street! They were indescribably delicious. We couldn't get enough. My sister went to the ladies room which was upstairs.

When she returned, the Judge fell down the stairs. Fortunately she was so drunk she was unhurt.

BarbieBarbie 3:22 PM  

Congratulations, @Clare! On Zoom do you have to move your tassel the other way? Inquiring minds want to know.

@Z, a hydrogen atom is exactly one a.u. big. Ta-daaa!

A fine Tuesday, now DONE.

Breakfast Tester 3:25 PM  


Anonymous 3:26 PM  

Actor-- I love that her honor took a tumble at Pat O's. Puts her in august company. And no doubt that bar makes a fine mint julep (it used to be on their sign) but I think it's fair to say they're famous for their hurricanes, which predate their julep expertise by many decades. ( Yes z, I'm sure someone ordered a mint julep at Pat O's between 1945 and 1975).
But while I'm a fan of the place, it is smack dab in The Quarter which, frankly, is getting worse and worse.
For a real snootful in a really refined place, consider taking the judge to Commander's Palace. It's in the Garden District which is as lovely as the name suggests. They're famous for a lot of things--Paul Prudhomme and Emeril Lagasse, their bread pudding soufflé and their lunch specials which if you like includes a .25 martini.
Watching the blue hairs get shnozzled is fantastic. Their bags and Hermes scarves sometimes cost more than my car, but there'd they'd be Friday afternoons guzzling gin and vermouth in that sweet concoction. I love the Crescent City.

Nigel Pottle 4:03 PM  

FAIR not done. I had no problem with CLIP CLOP. I’m pretty sure that the clues that are cross-referenced always require the first word of the clue duo to be the first word of the fill-in - the second clue which says “See other clue” is obviously the second part of the pair. So I had no issue with putting CLIP down and CLOP across. I too, another Canadian, had snakes before CHUTES. And if it’s any indication, my time for yesterday’s (Monday) puzzle was about 3 minutes slower than my average - my time for today’s (Tuesday) puzzle was 3 minutes faster than my average. Does that confirm the ole switcheroo?

TTrimble 4:05 PM  

Yeah, I sometimes like a mint JULEP -- and don't understand why they would be considered inherently nasty, since the sugar and mint can always be adjusted to taste. Lots of drinks use one and/or the other, e.g., an old fashioned. Maybe that particular bar just made them badly?

(Usually though I just have my bourbon with ice.)

tea73 4:09 PM  

I know NABOB from reading Georgette Heyer in my youth. They were men who who had returned from India to England with a fortune, instead of inheriting it like proper gentlemen.

Toby Ziegler is my speech writer.

Unknown 5:31 PM  

What’s done is done. Fair’s fair.

Tale Told By An Idiot 5:35 PM  

Done is done because, you know, I always go with the witches when given the opportunity and they tell me that FAIR IS FOUL AND FOUL IS FAIR.

@Barbara S 8:36 - another excellent quote. Thanks for all the work you put into this.

@CDilly52. @12:19 Welcome back. I was wondering to myself Yesterday where you had gone. I was a government lawyer but in an office of many others so we did indeed have opportunities to challenge each other. Alas, not with cocktails after one of my colleagues climbed out his office window to join his wife and walk downtown where one or both of them were arrested for drunk and disorderly. No more drinking in our office in the Capitol.

Cheryl Rosenberg 6:08 PM  

Clare, Mazal tov! A hard three years, I'm sure. I, too, filled in DONE for 16A! Best of luck in your career.

Anonymous 6:14 PM  

You’re kidding, right? There are >50 people imbibing in the Capitol THIS instant. Some of them members of Congress.

Nancy 7:24 PM  

Welcome back, @CDilly52. So sorry you had to go through all that, but I'm glad you're almost back to normal now. Your smart, revealing and colorful posts about what seems like a very interesting life were missed and I know I'll enjoy reading them again.

KnittyContessa 7:58 PM  

@TTrimble Good to know. I, too, prefer it on the rocks or in a Manhattan. I had the Julep at Pat O'Brians's believe it or not. That was 30 something years ago, maybe my tastes have changed. Now I really want to try one.

Anonymous 8:18 PM  

Scarf & Done !! Nabob?? How old were we when Spiro Agnew was VP?

Tale Told By An Idiot 8:31 PM  

Anonymous 6:14 I was referring to my State Capitol and the rule applied only to my office. Of course legislators and other staff and lobbyists continued to drink, some before, during and after hours. Sorry for being unclear.

JC66 8:37 PM  


Welcome back. You were greatly missed, although I'm reluctant to say we kneed you.

Anonymous 8:43 PM  

Tale. Nope. You’re good. My mistake.

Anoa Bob 9:16 PM  

All the comments by former and current lawyers brought back long-ago memories of when I was a part-time bartender during my grad school days. One of the gigs I had was bartending for the monthly Friday afternoon local Barristers Club social. It was just me behind the bar and 25 or 30 thirsty lawyers. I was busier than a one-armed wallpaper hanger. Those folks could drink! They seemed pretty keyed-up when they first came in but after an hour or so everyone was well into a happy hour buzz and having a rollicking good time. No one, however, ordered a Mint JULEP.

Mike M. 9:21 PM  

What's DONE is DONE.

Frantic Sloth 10:53 PM  

@Whatsername 1111am Right. I usually only bring up the "blood sport" thing when my sister forgetfully asks "did you watch the [your horse race here]?" I think she's finally caught on.

It's probably too late for anyone to see this, but I wanted to say thanks to @Barbara S 115pm for answering my question (not sure that sliding down a snake would be preferable to one climbing a ladder, but there it is) and welcome back to @CDilly52!
We missed you and your stories!
Here's hoping the road to healing is smooth from here on out. 👍

Anonymous 10:53 PM  

So, it seems that those scenes in "Law & Order" where McCoy grabs a bottle of scotch out of his desk isn't just being made up? Lawyers are lushes?

Vic 7:46 AM  

Yeah, went with “what’s done is done” first.

kitshef 5:31 PM  

It’s SNAKES and Ladders, dammit!

Soooo much easier than yesterday’s puzzle. Yesterday we got a hard Tuesday. Today, an average Monday.

Unknown 8:44 AM  

I don't get it

Diana, LIW 9:45 AM  

before I look at today's puz, I must mention that yesterday was a pangram on a Monday!

Lady Di

rondo 11:06 AM  

Pretty good Tues-puz save for the AYES/EYES, BABY and the UNO/JUNO crosses.

A YEA BABY to AMBERS Heard and Tamblyn.

Still clinging to the thought of Tues/Wed flip-flop. (not CLIP CLOP)

spacecraft 11:10 AM  

Monday called; he wants his puzzle back.

Seriously, this went down as smoothly as a--well, you know. My EYES fell on the revealer clue...only five letters, eh? So I SCOPED out 36-down, and there was gimme JUNO (and DOD JUNO Temple). Thus JULEP, and the center was done first. Then HUCK begat FINN in the NE, and OFFER, so by the time I looked at 16-across the F was already there--and made a cute crossing: FAIR OFFER.

I did not know GOPRO as clued, but it filled in readily, and that was the only thing that even slowed me down a little. Our constructor may have been trying for a spacecraft rating with BIRDIE; did it work? YEA, the AYES have it.

Burma Shave 12:20 PM  


to OFFER a JULEP to make the DAY complete,
with a couple SHOTS and ICEICEBABY.


thefogman 1:45 PM  

Am I being a nit picker if I point out that the drink is a MINT JULEP and not just a JULEP? The constructor should have a picked a drink that did not have one of the ingredients that appear in its name.

leftcoaster 3:52 PM  

Nice kick-start out of the NW with CLIP-CLOP, followed by a solid theme and execution.

Also a pretty good OPTICS sub-theme: EYES and AYES. SCOPES, SHOTS and SEPIA.

Have to like ICE ICE, BABY! even if never hearing of it.

Diana, LIW 5:25 PM  

Yes folks (hi @Rondo), this certainly proves the Monday/Tuesday swap is alive and well. And swell...I guess. I remember ICEICEBABY, but not the intro or the rest of the "song." I remember there were parodies of it.

I agree, @Foggy - makes one want to have a mint.

And JUNO will always remind me of that movie.

nuf said

Diana, Lady-in-Waiting for Crosswords

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