Big name in chicken or boxing / WED 12-17-25 / Centerpiece of "The Hobbit" / Group of grumps sitting around kvetching? / Just about anything on a string / What makes a stud become studious? / 1990s comedy inspired by "Emma" / Gary's ___ Towne Tavern (rival bar on "Cheers")

Wednesday, December 17, 2025

Constructor: Gary Larson and Doug Peterson

Relative difficulty: Medium

THEME: SPELL IT OUT (60A: Painstakingly explain something ... or a hint to 17-, 26- and 45-Across) — familiar phrases where "IT" has been changed to "OUT," creating wacky phrases:

Theme answers:
  • POUTY PARTY (17A: Group of grumps sitting around kvetching?) (from "pity party")
  • CHAMPS AT THE BOUT (26A: Ali vs. Frazier, e.g.?) (from "champs [not chomps] at the bit")
  • SPOUT IN THE OCEAN (45A: Welcome sight on a whale-watching cruise?) (from "Spit in the Ocean")
Word of the Day: "Spit in the Ocean" (see 45A) —
poker in which each player is dealt a hand of cards facedown and combines them with cards faceup on the table to make a poker hand
specifically a game in which each player is dealt four cards, a fifth card is faced on the take, and the faced card and all others of the same rank are wild
• • •

Normally a big fan of Doug's puzzles, but this one didn't quite get over the hump for me. Is that even an expression? "Get over the hump"? It felt right in my head, but it looks wrong in the light of day. But back to the puzzle—the theme here isn't as funny as I'd want a Wacky Puzzle to be. Somehow I'd expect the "IT"-to-"OUT" answers to pack more punch, or to be much, much wackier. The winner today is CHAMPS AT THE BOUT, I think, though champs simply *being* at the bout doesn't make for the liveliest of images. The other two are shrugs. They fit the bill, they follow directions, but the resulting wackiness just isn't Big enough. All of the base phrases today feel a little old-fashioned. Part of this is because I haven't played (and haven't really heard the term) Spit in the Ocean since I was a teenager (in the OLDE days, when Cheers was still on the air). I also can't remember the last time I heard "pity party." "Champs at the bit" is current enough, I guess. Or maybe timeless—though it was probably a more resonant saying when the culture was more horse-oriented (both transportation-wise and sports spectatorship-wise). Horse-racing was the most popular thing in the sports pages besides boxing and baseball in the early part of the 20th century, and while all those sports have fallen in popularity in recent years, horse-racing has arguably fallen the most. This has nothing to do with the quality of CHAMPS AT THE BOUT as a theme answer. I'm just trying to figure out why the themers are giving off a mild yesteryear vibe. References to Cheers and Clueless and Get Smart also fix this puzzle's center of gravity firmly in the last century. It was a perfectly good century, so I'm not mad, but the puzzle just felt like it lacked a certain currency and vibrancy.


The fill wasn't helping brighten things up much. The grid is dominated by what are essentially nine sections of 3-4-5s—three across the top, center, and bottom. Hard to squeeze a lot of excitement out of so much short stuff, and today's short stuff tends to OOZE rather than sparkle, shine, or some other more energetic word. There's nothing really bad about it. It's just deadening in its familiarness. Another day, another UBOAT, another OBOE, another [choke, gag] SESH. Maybe the idea was to make the fill as simple as possible so that people wouldn't have such a hard time working out the wacky themers. On the whole, I wanted this one to try harder. Sometimes I do a themed puzzle and I think "whoa, whoa, easy, you're Trying Too Hard!" (TTH™). But this feels like not trying hard enough. Were these the best IT-to-OUT options available? Could the fill not have been brought closer to a boil? The puzzle is best in the longer non-theme answers, which is often the case. Today's are solid, but there are only four of them (TRUE-TO-LIFE SUBURBAN in the NE, CLUELESS APOLOGIZED in the SW). Six letters is what passes for a "longish" answer in this puzzle, but there are also only four of those. So this puzzle feels like a placeholder. It's puzzle-shaped, it ticks all the essential boxes for crossword puzzleness, but it's not giving me anything special. Again, it doesn't seem to be really trying.


Weirdly wanted UPDOS at 1A: Lock combinations? (COIFS), only to have it appear a few seconds later (in singular form) at 24D: Red carpet hairstyle, perhaps (UPDO). I would never have guessed that Yamaha made OBOEs if I hadn't had that "B" in place. With the "B" in place, it was pretty obvious. They make pianos (and probably other instruments), why not OBOEs? I don't think I got held up much anywhere today. I thought the [Centerpiece of "The Hobbit"] (QUEST) was the SHIRE, so that slowed me down a bit. I had HAM IT (bad) before HAM UP (better) (27D: Overplay for the audience). REPEL took me a while because I can't really imagine how [Throw off] works as a clue. I suppose if you literally throw someone off of you, you REPEL them (?), but "Throw off" usually suggests "mislead," or else you could "throw off" the (hopefully metaphorical) chains that bind you, but even then, REPEL isn't really the right synonym. The "Throw off" / REPEL equivalency eluded me today. I also had no idea that HYATT was "H" on the NYSE (New York Stock Exchange), so I just waited for crosses there. The only real challenge in the puzzle involved working out the themers, which is pretty typical for a Wednesday, now that I think about it.


Bullets:
  • 15A: Turner of old movies (LANA) — not my favorite actress, but a fine one. She's in several movies I really love, namely The Postman Always Rings Twice (with John Garfield) (1946) and The Bad and the Beautiful (with Kirk Douglas) (1952). She's also in one of my favorite poems. From one of my favorite collections (Lunch Poems (1964)), this is Frank O'Hara's "Poem (Lana Turner Has Collapsed!)": 
Lana Turner has collapsed!
I was trotting along and suddenly
it started raining and snowing
and you said it was hailing
but hailing hits you on the head
hard so it was really snowing and
raining and I was in such a hurry
to meet you but the traffic
was acting exactly like the sky
and suddenly I see a headline
lana turner has collapsed!
there is no snow in Hollywood
there is no rain in California
I have been to lots of parties
and acted perfectly disgraceful
but I never actually collapsed
oh Lana Turner we love you get up
  • 3D: What makes a stud become studious? (IOUS) — it also makes Ted tedious. I don't know why you'd turn a perfectly good (or at least recognizable) word (IOUS) into a mere string of letters. Cluing IOUS this way feels awful, but it is also probably more interesting than anything you were apt to get from the more conventional stock of IOU clues. There's something perverse about this clue that I half-admire. To its credit, unlike much of the puzzle, this clue actually does seem to be trying.
  • 42D: Suffix with beat or neat (NIK) — look, you get one suffix per puzzle and this puzzle decided to blow it on IOUS, so NIK is even more unwelcome than usual today.
  • 25D: Jost's longtime "Weekend Update" co-anchor (CHE) — I have not been an SNL watcher for a long time, so I'm not that familiar with the Jost/CHE incarnation of "Weekend Update," but I'm more familiar with Michael CHE today than I was yesterday at this time because yesterday I listened to the latest episode of comedian Mike Birbiglia's podcast "Working It Out," and CHE was the featured guest. It's a funny and illuminating interview, esp. if you are at all into comedy. I like Birbiglia's interviews with other comedians because while they're funny (as you'd expect/hope) they can be charmingly earnest and frequently really technical—like, in-the-weeds stuff about composing jokes and working on material etc. Lots of good stuff about the creative process. Anyway, this talk with CHE is cool.
  • 26D: Food you might eat wearing a bib (CRABS) — the "food" is CRAB. The countable creatures are CRABS. Something about the plural here felt weird (given the clue). Personally, I'd rather see CRAGS / GULL than CRABS / BULL. CRAGS has the advantage of not being another name for pubic lice. 
  • 38D: 1990s comedy inspired by "Emma" (CLUELESS) — happy birthday to Jane Austen, who turned the big 2-5-0 just yesterday!
  • 47D: Just about anything on a string (CAT TOY) — loved this clue, mostly because I had no idea what it could possibly be until I got enough crosses, and then I saw it and thought "oh yeah, that's true." But honestly, you don't need to put anything actually on the string. The one object in the house that my cat Alfie is most obsessed with is a simple piece of string (twine, really) that we keep in a kitchen drawer. He knows the sound of the drawer. If you even stand near the drawer for more than a few seconds, he comes trotting over. You can drag the string around and make him chase it, but you can also just put it down and he'll just happily drag it around the house. The whole CAT TOY industry is unnecessary. This goes for CAT BEDs as well. Ida sleeps happily in the cardboard container that her cat litter came in. Often there's a comfy blanket nearby, but nope, box wins.


Speaking of pets, it's time for 🌲🐈Holiday Pet Pics🐕🌲 now. Note: PLEASE DO NOT SEND ME ANY MORE PET PICS, I'M ALL FULL UP FOR THIS YEAR, thank you. Thank you so much. Thank you.
 
This is Nimbus. What did I tell you about cats and boxes?! 
[Thanks, Uday!]

Here are Caroline and Nina. Add a wreath and voilà, instant "holiday" spirit. I am told that Caroline and Nina are "torbies," which is (allegedly) a mash-up of "tortoise shell" and "tabby." One of these cats seems happy with this sleeping arrangement. The other seems ... unsure. She might be leaving soon. Or hatching a plot for blanket dominance, we'll never know.
[Thanks, Mac!]

Here are Juno (lab), Stella (sweater), and Laila (crazy eyes) doing their best Three Magi imitation. "O Come Let Us Adore Him*" (*dog treats)
[Thanks, Theresa!]

Giulia and Piper hear reindeer on the roof! (this is how I've chosen to make sense of this as a "Holiday" picture):
[Thanks, Marilee!]

Lastly, a pair of opposing pet personalities from Monica. First, there's the diffident GIULIA, who would prefer not to be part of whatever "Holiday" photo scheme you've got cooked up. You may take her picture from there, but do not come closer.

And then there's dopey Duke, who will do whatever you want, sure, antlers, whatever, just tell him he's a good boy!
[Thanks, Monica!]

That's it. See you next time.

Signed, Rex Parker, King of CrossWorld

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111 comments:

Conrad 6:13 AM  

Easy. Too easy for a Wednesday, but otherwise enjoyable. Solved without reading the theme clues or the clues for the long downs. No overwrites or WOEs.
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Bob Mills 6:25 AM  

Couldn't get a toehold in the NW, so I started in the SW and went from there. I had "emote," then "act up" before finding HAMUP. I liked the theme and wanted more of the "it-out" theme entries than the three provided, but after thinking of IDONTGIVEASHOUT I realized that certain courtesies are required of a puzzle editor.

Rick Sacra 6:29 AM  

Not a bad puzzle, pretty straightforward wednesday, like @REX enjoyed the longer downs the most. The revealer is spot-on, let's give it that! But I'll echo the general sentiment.... not the Thrilla in Manila.

Anonymous 6:30 AM  

The revealer was the best part. I saw the I to OU change quickly, but didn't notice the T. SPELL "IT" "OUT" is a pretty good reimagined phrase.

I don't think I've struggled this hard on a Wednesday in a looong time, though I think my time would've been only slightly above average in the pre-Fagliano era.It was mostly the SW, with a mix of unknowns and my brain just not working:
- Unknowns: I was clueless about CLUELESS, didn't quite remember the crosswordesey gas brand, and I've never heard of SPIT IN THE OCEAN. I see IN THE OCEAN and I want A DROP before that. Side note: I think there was a NYT puzzle with revealer ADROPINTHEOCEAN with ocean names literally "dropping" into the row below.
- Brain not working: I wanted metaphorical "cultivated" and just wasn't seeing CRABS and CHILE. My mind was firmly stuck in Oceania even though that's not where the island is. It's pretty far from mainland Chile but much further away from Oceania.
Also, even when I got the Z from APOLOGIZED (tough clue for me), I considered the possibility of a capital-P "Primordial" being some sort of drink with OUZO at 59A. Crosswordese brain can make really wild guesses.

Anonymous 6:56 AM  

Has anyone else noticed that every day the mini and the full crossword share one answer in common? Is this common knowledge that I'm just picking up on?

Anonymous 7:14 AM  

It’s not true, so no, it’s not common knowledge

Anonymous 7:23 AM  

Agreed, one eats crab, not CRABS. Surprised Rex had anything half-positive to say about the clue for IOUS - I hesitated only because I couldn’t believe the NYT would give the answer in the clue. I guess it’s not much different from the various “name aptly hidden in” type clues, but I hate those too.

JJK 7:33 AM  

I started out thinking this was hard (for a Wed) but actually ended up finishing in good time, all without really getting the theme. I guess SPELLITOUT should have been pretty obvious, but I was looking for the themers to have more to do with spelling than turning IT into OUT. i thought the cluing in general was vague and agree with others that it was all a little dull.

One thing: I think the phrase I’ve always heard is CHoMPSAT THE BIT - not CHAMPS. Because a horse has the bit in its mouth and is chomping at it.

Anonymous 7:36 AM  

Is the co-constructor THE Gary Larson?

Lewis 7:38 AM  

It was fun guessing at the theme answers and revealer, but what I’m remembering even more are two strange thoughts that hit me as I looked over the completed grid:
• The cross of CAT TOY and a backward ASP had me imagining how it would go if these two creatures actually crossed paths.
• OZ is right in the middle of OOZE, making it an “oohs and ahs” word.

Answers I loved: FATHOM and HAM UP.
Clue I adored, perfect in every way: [Group of grumps sitting around kvetching].

Plus, a little nerd-love for the two rare-in-crosswords five-letter semordnilaps REPEL and KNITS.

And so a good time was had by me. Thanks, Doug and Gary!

Lewis 7:39 AM  

[Just about anything on a string]
For CAT TOY
Is TRUE TO LIFE.

RooMonster 7:44 AM  

Hey All !

The ole brain is messing with me today. Woke up thinking it was Thursday, and when finished the puz, said, "Dang, this seemsE like a WedsPuz, why wasn't it run yesterday?" Then something clicked, and I realized that it is indeed Wednesday. Silly brain. So, an appropriate puz matching the day for me.

Interesting twist of the SPELL IT OUT meaning. Seems something like @egs does.

How about, Cowboy having a tantrum? - SHOUT KICKER. 🤣

I liked the puz. No KAOS, OOZEd nicely. Hit IT OUT of the park.

Have a great Wednesday (now that I know the proper day ...)!

Two F's
RooMonster
DarrinV

Barry 7:47 AM  

I did the same thing as Rex and quickly wrote in SHIRE, making a mess of the NE corner. A shire and a centerpiece are concrete things. A quest is more abstract.

kitshef 7:48 AM  

Liked it more than Rex. Revealer is just perfect. Adored the clue for CAT TOY. Hated the clue for IOUS.

CHE makes me wonder how our dear GILL I is doing these days.

When I was a lad, we had a book called "Quotations of Chairman LBJ", which was kind of a take-off on Chairman Mao's Little Red Book. My introduction to LANA Turner was one of those Lyndon Johnson quotes: "Who the hell is Lana Turner?".

Danger Man 7:48 AM  

JUST SILLY ENOUGH

Rex Parker 7:54 AM  

No

Andy Freude 7:55 AM  

Had trouble with crossword favorite OBOE as clued, and I’ve actually played one of those Yamaha oboes. Very nice student-model instruments.

SouthsideJohnny 7:57 AM  

I spent half of my solve time wondering “what is this primordial OOZE of which they speak?”. Is OOZE primordial in the sense that it is ancient, or perhaps it’s a biological OOZE, or is there a common, obvious explanation that is just sailing over my head ?

I hesitated on REPEL for “throw off” - the best analogy I could come up with was repelling an attack (or attacker?). I guess we go with close enough for crosswords, but not by much. I had similar mental machinations regarding the clue for ALLY as well, but to a lesser extent.

I also misread the clue for ULTRA (I thought there was a blank space after Mega-), and kept wondering what a MEGA-ULTRA is. It’s only Wednesday and I’m already this confused, which does not bode well for tomorrow.

Anonymous 8:06 AM  

@714 is right, it doesn't happen every day, but it happens often enough that its not a coincidence.

tht 8:09 AM  

Liked it more than Rex did. The revealer was especially good and deserved more (or even any) praise, and I thought the puzzle was largely free of junk (which I'll distinguish from gunk, because I'm not including people or products here -- partials and initialisms are what I have in mind). Maybe QUE was the worst of that lot, followed by TUE. About a medium for me, difficulty- or time-wise. I'd give it maybe 2.5.

Maybe "shake off" would be a slightly better clue than "throw off" (REPEL), if clues are only meant to evoke entries, but what if they're sometimes meant to throw you off? This "throw off" is in the sense of e.g. "he threw off his initial misgivings and decided to go for it", and so I think it's okay for Wednesday.

Before COTTA I had firmA. I also put in CaSA NOSTRA, before correcting to COSA -- "casa nostra" would, I suppose, be "our house". (A very very very fine house.)

OBOE as Yamaha product. I know Yamaha as a piano manufacturer, but I wasn't aware they were in the OBOE business as well. Or is there some other meaning of the clue that I'm missing?

Yeah, there is a kind of yesteryear vibe, isn't there? LANA and the Thrilla (but not GloRilla!), KAOS, and also SLOE comes straight out of crosswords of OLDE (what was the clue they always used to use, was it "blackthorn"?). But I'm not complaining. I'll take old-timey over "fleek" any day.

Of course, someone who APOLOGIZED may have done so because they were the smaller person -- that's why they APOLOGIZED.
My private association with this word is to a character named "Boston Mike", a trash talker on the YouTube channel Coffee Chess, who constantly demands that his opponents "apologize" (they never have). Does it make me a small person to admit that I love watching his bald skull lose? I figure this sets me apart from the chorus in the comments who never fail to remind us how you can tell BM is such a great guy. Sorry, you have no idea what I'm talking about, do you? I APOLOGIZE.

That'll be it for now. Hope you have a good day!

Diane Joan 8:25 AM  

I’ve noticed that too. It doesn’t happen everyday but often.

pabloinnh 8:28 AM  

Saw the tarot clue and thought "oh oh", but CUPS showed up, which led to COILS (well, almost), fixed that and the rest was very easy, as I tend to skew last-century too. The NW and SE corners made it feel a little choppy . Only slowdowns were CHAMP or CHOMP and EMOTE for HAMUP. BTW, :emote: called and it want its clue back. See also "seep" for OOZE .

A note of caution for Rex--we had a cat who loved string too and one day wound up at the vet's with severe intestinal distress and he had eaten a piece that became entangled. We have since been very careful about string around our cats. This goes for things like ribbon too. Just sayin'.

I liked this one just fine GL and DP. Thought the revealer was just right, Got Lots of answers right away, and mostly found it to be a Delightful Puzzle. Thanks for all the fun.

Anonymous 8:29 AM  

Hey 714 here again and nope, it is, in fact, a complete coincidence. What do you think is happening? What grand scheme could possibly be served by the fact that sometimes ERA is in the mini ~and~ the regular crossword? How is that a thing? What would be the point? I’ve seen people insist that the NYT and LAT (or WSJ or Newsweek or New Yorker or whatever) are secretly arranging to have one word every day in common and if you thought about this for even two seconds you’d realize it makes absolutely no sense. Why would any editor do this? What’s the motivation? A lot of extra work for nothing. One of the dumber conspiracy theories, truly.

tht 8:32 AM  

The second time you've made me laugh these past few days!

Anonymous 8:40 AM  

I watched a ton of Get Smart as a child and so thought "chaos" was actually spelled KAOS. As a result, I got eliminated from my 5th grade spelling bee on that word!

JoePop 8:43 AM  

Oboe again. Second day in a row. We will probably see it again before the week is done.
Probably a lot of readers here know Yamaha makes guitars too. My first guitar (in 1972) was a Yamaha beginners model for $100. I still have it and sometimes play it.

jberg 8:51 AM  

I needed the revealer to see the theme. At one point I was looking at SATT_E and almost changed it to 'battle' BOUT' Thank God wisdom repelled.

I can imagine "they attacked our patrol but we threw them off' for REPELled, but it doesn't sound right in the present tense.

OK, early PT SESH, gotta run, I'll be back.

Whatsername 8:52 AM  

RP: Thanks for the photo of Ida this morning. She has a little bit of a Mona Lisa quality in her expression. The most popular generic CAT TOY at our house is a scrap of paper, usually off the top of a bag of treats.
P.S. - The “holiday” theme in GUILA’s picture is the Christmas cactus, and a beautiful one too.

I’m normally not a fan of wacky themes, but I thought this one was pretty clever. Just the revealer on its own was adequate and then I realized it actually meant to SPELL or replace the IT with OUT. The background fill seemed above average as well, nothing to complain about there. Like others, a little surprised at 26D and had PASTA to start because lobster didn’t fit. Then I realized if you went to one of those places where they throw the CRABS on the table and give you a mallet, you’d definitely be talking about plurals and hopefully wearing a bib.

I remember Standard Oil before it became AMOCO and was reminded of a once TRUE LIFE service station at the corner of Independence Avenue and Van Brunt Boulevard in Kansas City. I used to not only buy gas there but also had my car serviced, bought tires, etc. It was apparently a rather progressive organization for that era because I think it was 1971 when I proudly obtained my very first credit card from Standard Oil. And that was in the days when it was still somewhat RARE for a woman to get any type of credit in her own name. I’ve never forgotten they took a chance on me and in gratitude over the years, I’ve always been loyal to the brand.

Whatsername 8:59 AM  

I keep string away from my kitties too and no TINSEL on my Christmas tree because the same thing can happen.

Rex Parker 9:04 AM  

I don’t need the lecture. I had a cat nearly die after eating the equivalent of a bread bag twist-tie (actually a leaf from some fake flowers) so cat only gets twine while I’m watching.

Anonymous 9:06 AM  

I’m surprised the clues for 39A (Mardi Gras day, in brief) and 53D (Time to do without) weren’t linked somehow. Maybe: What comes after 39A or something like that.

Whatsername 9:10 AM  

Just wanted to second @pablo’s note of caution about allowing your cats to play with string … and to also avoid putting any TINSEL on the Christmas tree for the same reason. My cat never got sick, but I did find some in the litter box once and to my horror, realized how dangerous it could have been. That shiny creature dangling from the branch is just too tempting for them to resist.

Bob Mills 9:13 AM  

Our cat ended up in the pet hospital after raiding the sewing box and devouring a full meal's worth of thread. He was a kitten at the time. Thanks to a skilled veterinary surgeon, he survived and is going strong at age 9.

Anonymous 9:14 AM  

Champing is one of those words that is original/correct, but some might think you sound pretentious when using it. Like "whom" sometimes.

Whatsername 9:15 AM  

Rex, thankful your kitty survived but thanks for pointing that out.I’ve always had a fear of those twist tie things too. For animals who are so notoriously finicky about what they eat, it’s incredible how many oddball things they might swallow.

egsforbreakfast 9:26 AM  

1. So frightened you can't yell?
2. Seed germinating on the front spar?
3. Put mortar on your molars?
(answers below)

Probably ought to mention the RARE-in-crosswords 4 letter palindrome (SEES) and the semordnilaps (LANA and REPEL). In fact just thinking about those two backwards is enough to REPEL me. Sorry to step on your schtick , @Lewis, but I waited to see if you would mention them.

I once got CRABS while not wearing a bib or anything else, but that was back in the OLDE days when I was CLUELESS. Maybe there's a minitheme with BUGS, PEST and CRABS.

You guys put it all out there. Thanks, Gary Larson and Doug Peterson.

1. Scared shoutless
2. Bowsprout
3. Grout your teeth.

Lewis 9:31 AM  

[What you might get after biting into a Carl’s Jr. burger you brought home from the drive-thru?]


TAKEOUTONTHECHIN

Szechuan Dumplings 9:36 AM  

Your comment provided more enjoyment than the entire puzzle!

EasyEd 9:59 AM  

I kinda liked this puzzle. Not a lot of pizzaz, but some silly stuff and doable without having to know or look up a lot of trivia. My major problem was throwing in POUTYPanTs instead of POUTYPARTY—still like my answer better. YAMAHA is an amazing company, making a slew of products from musical instruments to motorcycles, including delicate hi-fi equipment and heavy power generators.

Anonymous 9:59 AM  

it’s commonly said, but the original phrasing is with champing, which means something not too dissimilar: https://www.paullettgolden.com/projects/idiom-champing-at-the-bit

Anonymous 10:02 AM  

unless you live in delmarva.. where undeed you 'go get some crabs, hon'

pabloinnh 10:03 AM  

No "lecture" intended.

Beezer 10:03 AM  

Good one Bob!

pabloinnh 10:06 AM  

Amen to the tinsel advice.

Beezer 10:08 AM  

The CHAMPS v chomps thing has come up in past. If memory serves, the original term is CHAMPS but these days people use chomp.

Anonymous 10:13 AM  

I once got Crabs myself... more enjoyable to eat them especially on the coasts of Maryland or Delaware.

Beezer 10:16 AM  

I thought of shire also but the centerpiece of a plot can be somewhat abstract, and actually the QUEST (after I figured it out) seems more appropriate.

Germanicus 10:17 AM  

I don't get 48 across at all. What IS A Poindexter/Geek?

Anonymous 10:21 AM  

If you had ever lived in Maryland, you would know that people honor for crabs regularly.

Beezer 10:22 AM  

Yup, tricky clue. Even though I know Yamaha makes pianos, my mind went to “motorcycle” and I thought…could they mean “bike”? Okay…for a second. I DID have COIFS so my UBOAT sealed the deal with the OBOE.

Anonymous 10:25 AM  

An Xword that ran early June 1944 had several answers that were also code words for the D Day invasion causing alarm among the generals, proved to be coincidental, phew!

Jnlzbth 10:25 AM  

All of the themers gave me a smile; overall, I liked this puzzle. The CATTOY clue also made me happy. Only the REPEL clue made me frown; I didn't put the RE in at first because I just didn't think it would be right.

About a week ago, Frank O'Hara was in the puzzle and I mentioned that everyone should read the Lunch Poems. Glad you like them, too, Rex!

Greater Fall River Committee for Peace & Justice 10:25 AM  

And the logo on the motorcycles is three tuning forks.

Beezer 10:27 AM  

Great story!

Steve Reed 10:27 AM  

But he's no Joe Schmo either

jb129 10:33 AM  

Cute but kinda dull. Loved the "Alfie/String" love story :)

Anonymous 10:35 AM  

If you had ever lived in Maryland, you would know that people go out for “crabs,” not “crab.”

Teedmn 10:39 AM  

I was completely happy with the wackiness of the theme answers today, especially SPOUT IN THE OCEAN. On my only trip to Hawaii, we went on a whale-sighting tour and it was unbelievable. Every direction you looked, there were spouts. Whales breaching in front of us. The boat had to stop for whales more than once and a mother/calf pair went under the boat, the mother seeming as large as a jet airplane. It was amazing. So thumbs up for SPOUT IN THE OCEAN.

I had a slow start - I threw in the C for CUPS but was blank on the rest of the NW because making the stud into studious clue was too Runt puz-esque (hi M&A!) and I didn't TRUST it for a NYT puzzle. When I finally got COI_S, I threw in COILS as a lock combination and had to change the L to F when I couldn't FATHOM lATHO_.

My friend has a tabby, Sophie, who can't leave a string alone. When we stay at her lake home, we have to make sure our shoe laces are not available for biting. Once I left a strand of yarn hanging out of my knitting bag and next morning it was snipped off. Naughty kitty.

Thanks, Gary and Doug, nice Wednesday puzzle.

Sutsy 10:41 AM  

Not bad overall, but like a few others I had never heard of CHAMPSATTHEBIT or SPITINTHEOCEAN. I was sure they were somehow supposed to be chomps at the bit and drop in the ocean.

Beezer 10:42 AM  

I liked the puzzle more than Rex also. Maybe nothing that “popped” but very workmanlike with (as tht said) very little junk.
I usually think or barbecue, BBQ or whatnot when I think of bibs, but oh yeah…butter. Makes me a little sad, because I JUST presented as allergic to shellfish a few months ago after eating shrimp scampi…just EXTREME itching and a few hives, but after researching, I’m officially retired from that deliciousness.
To show how OLDE oil refineries are today, the one originally known as Standard Oil of Indiana is STILL using all the steam punk equipment as BP up (to me) in Whiting, Indiana near Chicago. But, if you REALLY want to see steam punk, go from there east to Burns Harbor and see the (now) Cleveland-Cliffs coke oven battery. Yep. It’s all here in one state, rolling hills in the south, then glacier flat farms, up to the area where a haze hangs in the air. Good stuff!

Whatsername 11:07 AM  

Good one!

tht 11:16 AM  

A GEEK is approximately the same thing as a nerd, which can come in various flavors, but with "Poindexter", I think they're pushing the archetype of a brainy but socially maladapted guy, with big thick glasses and a slide rule attached to his high-water pants. If you've seen Timothy Busfield in Revenge of the Nerds, you have an exact image of that type (his character's name is in fact Arnold Poindexter, but that's not where the term originated). If you haven't, then here you go.

Anonymous 11:19 AM  

Add Philly to the list of places where you go out for crabs. I wish Mohair Sam were still around, I’ll bet he went to Dinardos for their all-you-can-eat crabs more than once.

Anonymous 11:23 AM  

@anonymous 8:29 AM Thank you for your comment! Does any of these conspiracy theorists ever ask themselves, "Why?, What could possibly be the reason for going to all this trouble?" Insane!

jae 11:25 AM  

Medium. HYATT was it for WOEs and no costly erasures however, making sense of the theme answers did require some effort (hi @Rex).

Mostly smooth grid, cute/amusing theme, liked it a bit more than @Rex did.

Anonymous 11:25 AM  

I’ll take your word for it. The only place I’ve had a real crab-eating experience is Baltimore, and I sure don’t remember that locution. But it’s been almost 20 years and memory fades.

SouthsideJohnny 11:39 AM  

Maybe toss in Steve Urkel as well.

beverly c 11:46 AM  

Grout your teeth!! 😂

beverly c 11:50 AM  

Rex, thanks for the poem - touching, funny, and relatable.

Anonymous 12:06 PM  

I remember that book! There was a similar blue book with quotes from Nixon (shudder).

Masked and Anonymous 12:21 PM  

Nice U-generatin letter-sub puztheme. thUmbsUp.

staff weeject pick: OUT.

some fave stuff: CATTOY & clue. SUBURBAN. TRUETOLIFE.

Thanx for gangin up on us, Mr. Larson & Peterson dudes.

Masked & Anonymo13Us

... and some Xmas-shoppin nostalgia ...

"Black Fridays" - 7x7 12 min. themed:

**gruntz**

M&A

jb129 12:24 PM  

But wasn't that Ida, Rex?

Liveprof 12:31 PM  

Mike Birbiglia's "Thank God For Jokes" is wonderful.

Anonymous 12:31 PM  

Oh my goodness! Glad to hear he survived. Amazing too, being a small kitten like that.

Anonymous 12:37 PM  

I liked the puzzle. Reasonably gunk-free, I think, waiting to see what Gary says.

Bob Mills 12:40 PM  

They could have 53D as "Period beginning after 39A," or "It starts with ashes."

okanaganer 12:47 PM  

When I was a kid, one day we noticed a piece of string coming out our cat's rear end. I grabbed it with pliers; as the cat walked away the string, which was about 3 feet long, emerged. We feared the worst but she was fine!

SharonAK 12:58 PM  

PIty party/pouty party was the one I liked best, champs at the bout the least . And I liked the sort of similar but different words pl;ay in the reveal where "spell it out" ( a perfect answer for its clue) suggests "spit it out" as well as describing what's happening in the theme.

okanaganer 1:01 PM  

Okayish Wednesday; as Rex said, the themers could have been spicier. At least there weren't too many names.

Hands up for wanting UPDOS at 1 across. Also had EMOTE before HAM UP because, well, we see EMOTE almost as often as OBOE.

Speaking of which, that quirky clue for Yamaha reminds me of 20 years ago when my computer monitor at work was a Mitsubishi. Y'know what all else that conglomerate makes? Oh: cars, missiles and tanks, trains, ships, planes, and spacecraft.

In celebration of pet pics, rather than sending it to Rex I have made one my profile picture. It's actually from the summer and it's my niece's dog Griff trying to tell me something.

gregmark 1:07 PM  

You go downa Agnie's / Phillip's / Nick's ta get yerself some crabs.

Unfortunately, I'm from PG County, so... basic slight-Maryland-drawl is all I have to offer. It's much more fun to have someone say it who's actually from Baldamore.

Anonymous 1:20 PM  

Low tier Wednesday. Big time.

Anonymous 1:36 PM  

I learned champs vs chomps from George Carlin in his 1997 book Brain Droppings:

“Here's one you can win money on in a bar if you're within reach of the
right reference book: Chomping at the bit and old stomping ground are
incorrect. Some Saturday afternoon when you're gettin' bombed on your
old stamping ground, you'll be champing at the bit to use this one.”

Anonymous 1:43 PM  

Do you know how many randomly chosen people you need to bring together to make it more probable than not that two of them share the same month-day birthday?

If you understand that question in probability, you'll probably also understand that the frequency with which the Mini and the XWord (which is no where near every day, btw) share a same answer is well within the range of probability.

And as to the idea that Shortz and Fagliano are engaged in some sort of dark conspiracy..... If anything, this shows that they may not coordinate enough so as to ensure there are no dupes on occasional days. But even more likely, it shows they just don't care, since these two puzzles are two distinct experiences with their own lives that are unrelated to one another except that they are published by the same newspaper. So what if they have dupes?

I will be glad to explain all this further to anyone over pizza at Comet Ping Pong Pizzeria in DC-Chevy Chase. In the meantime, keep an eye out for the man with the umbrella.

ChrisS 3:04 PM  

Primordial ooze," also known as the primordial soup, refers to the theorized mixture of organic compounds in early Earth's oceans that served as the birthplace of life, formed from simple inorganic molecules energized by lightning, UV, and heat, creating essential building blocks like amino acids that eventually led to self-replicating molecules and the first cells.

Beezer 3:06 PM  

Looks like a pick with TWO “good boys”!

Anonymous 3:34 PM  

Rex linked to “I Apologize” by Husker Du so he’s my hero. Now if he’d also linked to “True To Life” by Uncle Tupelo, I’d be in heaven.

Anonymous 4:05 PM  

Goodness! I cannot unsee that!

Anonymous 4:13 PM  

I liked this puzzle! Despite not knowing KAOS it was easier than yesterday. Enjoyed KNITS and CATTOY, and that lovely word FATHOM. The NE corner was fun, and so was the revealer

Anonymous 4:19 PM  

Yes, in Baltimore we eat crabs. But...we don't wear bibs to do it.

Anonymous 4:34 PM  

That was pretty funny. There's probably a bowdlerization theme that could get through the editors.

Anonymous 4:40 PM  

Maybe the stud became studious because of his debts

Anonymous 4:41 PM  

Maybe the stud became studious because of his debts

Doug Garr 4:45 PM  

Okay, ANTE is not a "pot grower?" It is a "pot starter." Grrrrrrr.....

Anonymous 4:52 PM  

It also grows the pot from zip to whatever

SFR 5:04 PM  

Noticed UBOAT

dgd 5:28 PM  

Anonymous 10:25 AM
The story of such words as Overlord and other D Day related code words appearing in the Daily Telegraph (a major national newspaper) crosswords before D Day became more complicated than first reported. (that it was just a coincidence). But it wasn’t a conspiracy either. so it doesn’t challenge your point. Further investigation revealed that the constructor of the crosswords in question was a headmaster of a boys school located right near a military base. The particular base had lax security, at least as far as the boys from the school. The headmaster when constructing a crossword would routinely ask the boys to suggest words. The code names came from boys who had frequently been at the base. The headmaster was actually arrested but it was determined the headmaster had no idea they were code words. However one of the boys had written them in a notebook. He was given a severe reprimand and sworn to secrecy.
All five beaches’ code names and the one for the artificial harbors, mulberries appeared in addition to Overlord. K

dgd 5:44 PM  

tht
Four letters crosswords. Yamaha. Well I didn’t think of motorcycles at all so 4 letter instrument = OBOE in Crosslandia as Lewis says. I had no idea either about Yamaha oboes but I followed the equation. Usually works.

dgd 6:02 PM  

After reading the comments, I liked the puzzle more.
Thought all of the themers were fine.

Beezer 6:23 PM  

I know! But ya know what…sometimes Gary will have a really busy day and, God forbid, get a bad cold, or whatnot. I’m saying that for ME…not really in response to you. Heck. I can stub my toe and have a haircut on same day and not read blog until next day! Oh. Also, there are vacations.

Beezer 6:33 PM  

Wow! One sentence generated a ton of comment! I have a question though, and I hope it doesn’t sound “impertinent” or like…”I’m too good.” Hell…I do Strands. My question: What is the allure of the mini? Is it…beating your past time? Anyway…I figure crosswordese is crosswordese in xwords.

Beezer 6:39 PM  

@Gregmark…my sis lives in PG County! Originally via Southern Indiana but I’ve noticed her husband (from Murland)) says things like ambleLANCE for…well you know. I LOVED (past tense) eating crab (no S) in Murland!

robert lewison 6:45 PM  

I think that [Throw off] being REPEL is moreso in the sense that you discomfort someone, perhaps by saying something out of pocket (I hope you’ll excuse me for the language, I’m Gen Z :p). Such as:

“I was hanging with John and he said something that really threw me off OR repelled me.”

Thought it was a fun theme but also wasn’t too happy with the actual answers themselves. A bit milquetoast-feeling for me today. Enjoyed an easier puzzle. Just discovered your blog a couple weeks ago and this is my first comment. :)

CDilly52 7:11 PM  

@Bob Mills you’ve been on a roll! Thanks for the daily chuckles.

CDilly52 7:58 PM  

Whether this one didn’t quite get over the hump or over the plate, I agree that today’s Larson/Peterson collaboration provided less sass and cleverness than I expect from either or both of these well-known puzzlers. The theme was really obvious to me. I think if the grid has allowed any other theme answer than POUTY PARTY, it would have been better concealed. That said, the reveal was well done. Explained the theme precisely.

I had a little trouble getting REPEL from the clue only because my brain kept trying to find a 5 letter word other than emit. Thankfully, i was a huge “Get Smart” fan and the entire puzzle was easy enough that REPEL revealed itself.

Overall, ‘twas a brisk and enjoyable solve.

CDilly52 8:01 PM  

Welcome to the neighborhood, @robert lewison. I’ve been around for quite a while, and many days this feels like having coffee with good friends.

BaconJeff 8:08 PM  

In what universe does "mardi gras" = Tue??? Mardi Gras is celebration of Epiphany, which falls on different day every year! NYT really needs an editor and/fact checker so these kinds of mistakes don't happen!

JC66 8:35 PM  

@BaconJeff

Mardi Gras is always the day before Ash Wednesday; so always a Tuesday.

tht 8:59 PM  

Good lord, Mardi is literally Tuesday in French. C'mon.

Hugh 9:22 PM  

This one had more than enough wackiness and sparkle for me. All the themers gave me a big smile and I respected the fresh cluing on IOUS and OBOE.
No real hold-ups today - a pretty fast Wednesday for me, and I thought the theme was more than clever with an equally impressive revealer.
Thank you @Rex for posting the podcast with Michael Che. I'm a bit of a geek around the science of comedy - how a joke evolves, the construction of it, the execution, etc..
If anyone else is interested in this sort of thing, there are two mini-series that I'd recommend. The first is a comedy/drama series, I'm Dying Up Here, loosely based on the Comedy Store in L.A. The other one is an actual documentary on The Comedy Store - called, well you guessed it, The Comedy Store. There are bits in both where comedians talk about their process - fascinating stuff if you're into that kind of thing.
Back to the puzzle - Great stuff Gary and Doug! Got a big kick out this one!

gregmark 10:45 PM  

@Beezer I'm more of a Marylin guy myself. AmbaLANCE and WARSH-cloth are hit or miss. I was spared those cursed afflictions. But I do say sammich for sandwich and mannaise instead of mayonaise. Still... don't got nothin on those Baldamoryans. Their accents are downright sublime. But if they offer you a Berger cookie, say NO! NO! NO!...Bad Baldamoryan! No more crabs for you...

Cheers.

okanaganer 10:53 PM  

"Mardi gras" == "fat Tuesday".

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