Relative difficulty: Easy-Medium
Word of the Day: LUCIA (45D: Swedish holiday in which crowns of candles are worn, familiarly) —
Saint Lucy's Day, also called the Feast of Saint Lucy, is a Christian feast day observed on 13 December. The observance commemorates Lucia of Syracuse, an early-fourth-century virgin martyr under the Diocletianic Persecution. According to legend, she brought food and aid to Christians hiding in the Roman catacombs, wearing a candle-lit wreath on her head to light her way, leaving both hands free to carry as much food as possible. Because her name means "light" and her feast day had at one time coincided with the shortest day of the year prior to calendar reforms, it is now widely celebrated as a festival of light. Falling within the Advent season, Saint Lucy's Day is viewed as a precursor of Christmastide, pointing to the arrival of the Light of Christ in the calendar on 25 December, Christmas Day.
Saint Lucy's Day is celebrated most widely in Scandinavia, Italy and the island nation of Saint Lucia, each emphasising a different aspect of her story. In Scandinavia, where Lucy is called Santa/Sankta Lucia, she is represented as a woman in a white dress symbolizing a baptismal robe and a red sash symbolizing the blood of her martyrdom, with a crown or wreath of candles on her head. (wikipedia)
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Fill-wise, the thing that irked the most was the name barrage, once again. The puzzle was very very easy, in general, getting (almost) all of its "difficulty" (for me) from name grenades. For me, these were FELIX, VAL and KIVA (!?), with FELIX (because of its position), being the worst damage-doer of all. Just couldn't flow up and into the NE corner because FELIX was 80% blank (F----!). I was able to push through VAL and KIVA by overwhelming them with the surrounding fill. But I was lucky. I actually had at least heard of ETONIC and NORA and Nick NOLTE and WIM Wenders and TIG Notaro (the last of which was a *huge* help—first letters of all the long Downs in the SE!). But I can easily imagine other solvers not knowing one or many of those. I don't care so much about the fact of the names, which I think are mostly gettable, as I do about the fact that there were so many and that they were the only real speed bumps in this thing. Cluing was not that clever or thoughtful today. So it played like a triviafest—never my favorite kind of puzzle. But back to KIVA for a second ... I've never heard of it (55A: Big name in small loans). It is really well known. Merriam-webster dot com defines KIVA as "a Pueblo Indian ceremonial structure that is usually round and partly underground," so they're no help. Looks like it's a San Francisco-based microloan nonprofit. I will confess that financial stuff is really Really not my specialty, so I wouldn't be shocked if I was just part of an ignorant minority today. But as financial terms and names go, when the answer wasn't FICA (which I actually entertained, despite knowing full well it was wrong), I had nothing. KIVA sounds like a god, or something you'd name your SPCA rescue dog. I finished on the -IVA / -EG square and actually had to run the alphabet. I mourn for the people who both didn't know KIVA and had never heard of a KEG stand. I can only assume you wrote in "LEG stand" here. My condolences.
The puzzle started out like a Monday or Tuesday for me. Had those first three Acrosses in the NW done inside of five seconds (yes, really), and then in another ten seconds or so, I had the whole NW in place:
Notes:
- 22A: Small crater in auto-body paint (FISH EYES) — not familiar. Didn't know if they were EYES or EGGS, and neither one of those options was any help in pushing through FELIX.
- 56A: One meaning of 👍 ("I NEED A RIDE") — The emoji does not mean that—an actual human thumb held out by someone on the roadside means that—so this was confusing.
- 23D: He passed Babe in 1974 (HANK) — as in Aaron, as in "All-Time Home Run Leader." Bonds eventually passed Aaron in 2007, when he hit number 756, finishing up his career with 762 (a record that still stands, with or without an asterisk, whether you like it or not).
See you next time.
P.S. here is an explanation of the "-CORE" suffix (as seen in BARBIECORE), in case it's unfamiliar to you
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I flew through most of this puzzle but the NW corner completely stumped me. I have never heard of ETONIC or FISHEYES, and it took me forever to understand the clue on HANK. TEAL was a wild guess. But I eventually saw STEMFIELDS and CASTLOTS which cleared it all up for me.
ReplyDeleteThe rest of the puzzle was fun and didn't give much trouble at all. I loved BARBIECORE but did not care for ICANTEVEN. KIVA is in my wheelhouse. I had to dig through childhood memories for both LOAVES and LUCIA, but they were rattling in the back of my brain. Overall, nice Saturday.
My local newspaper NYT crossword has 56A clue as "One meaning of"...I was only able to get the answer after I solved the down clues in the SW corner. "Pickup line" would've been so much easier to solve. For the SE corner I put in VIVA for the big name in small loans clue. Was satisfied with VEG stand as short hand for vegetable stand. Ah well.
DeleteFELIX was last week’s guest on Wait, Wait, Don’t Tell Me. That made it a gimme for me, but otherwise I likely would have shared @rex’s pain.
ReplyDeleteIn the version I printed out about 5 AM, the clue for 56A has no emoji. It just reads, “Pickup line?”
ReplyDeleteStuart
DeleteReally. For I need a ride
Pickup line, much better clue!
Funny that Rex refers to the "Felix Dam", there actually was a Felix Dam on the Schuylkill River upstream from Reading PA. Also identified with the dyslexia E/W, L/R mix up. Used to canoe whitewater with my wife in the bow, often said left meaning right til I put a large L on the shoulder of her life jacket, her name is "Lucy" so no one knew I was an idiot!
DeleteI enjoyed the puzzle more than Rex. As to "I NEED A RIDE", when I printed the puzzle out to solve the clue was "Pickup line?", which I think was fair. I noticed all the proper names too, and was pleasantly surprised that I got all of them by crosses. HANK was the only one I could just write in.
ReplyDeleteSo feeling anger is NOT human?
ReplyDeleteDon’t be obtuse
DeleteNo, anger is the only emotion that is acceptable for men to express (according to traditional society norms).
DeleteI read it this way, too, so thanks for clarifying! Makes much more sense.
DeleteI’ve been to the Caribbean at least a half-dozen times and never heard of the ABC ISLANDS, and BARBIECORE is a totally foreign concept to me - those types of answers make a section brutal on a Saturday when they are outside of one’s wheelhouse because late-week crosses can be difficult to come by.
ReplyDeleteSimilarly, who’s ever heard of FISH EYES on cars, and it’s right below that FELIX dude - so everything north of the equator was pretty much a loss for me.
I was able to enjoy the southern hemisphere a bit more since things like CARNIVORES, I NEED A RIDE and AGE RELATED are at least phrases you occasionally hear IRL.
Saturdays are almost always a crap shoot for me, and today I was at least able to enjoy about half the grid, which I will take as a win.
Allyson Felix is not a dude.
DeleteThe Felix dude is not only an amazing runner, but also rather impressive for standing up to Nike, her sponsor who treated her, and other women athletes, badly if they (horrors) got pregnant…. Which I guess is really about showing their feminine side…. Dude.
DeleteWas anyone else bothered (or amused) by the (almost) dupe of the answer in 51A (notar) and the clue for 31A (comic Notaro)?
ReplyDeleteAnonymous 7:21 AM
DeleteAbout dupes like NOTAR and Notaro. Especially like this where the meaning is entirely different , it bothers me not at all. I didn’t even notice it.
Definitely gave me pause
DeleteFor the car thing I had FIS-, and out of my brain popped “fistula,” which is so, so wrong. But that U made me think that the emotion thing would be “human” something-or-other, and that H made the soccer player hELIX, which seemed like an oddly scientific name.
ReplyDeleteAnd this it went, all over the grid.
This one took longer than average to clean up. I finished by staring at -IVA and -EG.
Allyson Felix isn't a soccer player. She's a seven time Olympic gold medalist sprinter. Lol.
DeleteFor me it was the NE that fell quickly. I quickly got ABBEY, IBEX (I knew the Alpine mountain climber would be an animal and that seemed like the only four-letter one), ACROSS and NOLTE. That got me ABC ISLANDS, BARBIE CO— (I briefly had COol there) and BLUE MARLIN, and the rest fell easily, including FELIX - the X of IBEX was a big help there.
ReplyDeleteIn fact, I smugly patted myself on the back for my PPP knowledge getting me through the puzzle ( NOLTE, FELIX, TETONS, DOGG, TIG and WIM were all gimmes). Until the South, where I didn’t know Awkwafina’s real name (but I do know her!), the dancing champion or the small loan company. Yes, I thought about LEG stand before I decided on KEG.
My slowdown was the SW, where I had nothing but the incorrect RATED G. Why don’t they just use the same ratings for games that they do for movies? I figured the miracle subjects were either LOAVES or fishes and tried to get downs with each of those. I remembered LUCIA, then saw ORANG. I loved the clue for CARNIVORES - I did not notice that the clue said “have beef with” not “have a beef with.” I hated hated hated EVENER, not because it duped I CAN’T EVEN (which I didn’t notice) but because it’s just a horrible answer, and the clue doesn’t make sense to me.
Also, STEM class instead of STEM FIELD held me up a bit in the NW.
First thing I entered in the grid was FELIX. I’ve remarked before that my life is very different from Rex’s.
ReplyDeleteA full load of WoEs today” FISHEYES, ETONIC, LUCIA, VAL, SIM, KIVA, KEG.
I spent over two minutes thinking about the KIVA/KEG cross before guessing right. I'm unfamiliar with either of those things. Sounded slightly better than lIVA/lEG or pIVA/pEG.
Oh, and most WRENS don’t sound anything like teakettle-teakettle-teakettle. It’s just Carolina wrens, and really they sound more like trubily-trubily-trubily.
EVENER?
Ran the alphabet thrice and settled on Veg/Viva. Sigh
DeleteAh, Saturday toughness. Some lovely impenetrable-for-a-while knots to let the brain marinate on. Knots due to no-knows, vague clues, answers I know but can’t immediately recall, and other mysteries.
ReplyDeleteMonday is for sledding; Saturday is for climbing.
I like Saturday in the Times because the constructors and editors are crafts-people, know how to adjust clues to make the impenetrable eventually open up, usually with great satisfaction.
I DIG. And I dug the process of uncovering today’s capital-p Puzzle.
This is a jewel of a finished product. Not only fewer words than the average Saturday, but fewer blocks as well, making for those four lovely and crunchy stacks. But where is the junk? Do you know how hard it is to product a 68-word, 25 block grid with hardly a whiff of junk?
And freshness! Words never or hardly seen in the NYT grid in its 80-plus years, bringing new answers and clues to crack -- spark. Today’s puzzle not only has eight first-time answers, but also five that have only appeared once, and four that have shown up just twice. These answers alone account for a quarter of the puzzle’s words. One out of four – wow!
Thank you, Barbara and Matthew, for this sweet riddle to crack, for the time spent coursing through beauty and quality. This was a most splendid outing!
How can they not have a qualifier (in brief, etc.) for "orang"? The definition of orang is "short for orangutan". I have never called that animal an orang. It's like having an answer of "whatev" with no indication of slang, etc.
ReplyDeleteTHANK YOU 👏
DeleteAnonymous 7:48 AM
DeleteIn the Times puzzle for late week puzzles at least, there is no rule that requires a clue to indicate a shorter version of the standard answer. I think someone complained about one of yesterday’s clues for the same reason. I mention this because this has been going on for years and people have been complaining for years. Clearly this is a dead issue. It is better to remember that this is one of the tricks that they play late week
ReplyDeleteTop half: Easy, breezy. Bottom half: Ugh! Difficult in a not-very-fun way. I liked it even less than @Rex did. I didn't know FISHEYES (22A) but it was gettable from crosses. I've heard of ETONIC (28A) but I don't associate it with golf, probably because I don't play golf.
But then came the SW. EVENER (42D) was terrible. I guess it refers to using a level tool to smooth out wet cement, but the clue didn't evoke the answer in any way but retrospect. No clue about LUCIA (45D), ORANG (46D) as clued or VAL Chmerkovskiy (54D). I had GO ahead before GO FOR IT at 40D and RATED g before E at 43D. All that made CARNIVORES, I NEED A RIDE and AGE-RELATED hard to see.
More problems in the SE. I had GETS Sassy before SMART at 33D, was thinking some sort of decal for the (coffee) mug at 48A, and DEP[ressed] for the sadness at 52A. KIVA (55A) was a total WTF, although my brother had a dog named Kiva who was one of the best dogs EVER (57A). Needed to phone a friend (two friends really, Sergey and Larry) to get out of that corner.
45A: Aren’t LOAVES the object of the miracle in Matthew 14, not the subject of it?
ReplyDeleteWay too many obscure names.
ReplyDeleteCome on. KIVA? VAL?TIG? that is all crap and requires specialized knowledge. Same for FELIX
ReplyDeleteI don't dog
Specialized? Obscure? Have you heard of Carl Lewis? He has ten Olympic medals. Well done. Allyson Felix has eleven.
DeleteBoo on "feminine side" and its cluing. What a dated concept.
ReplyDeleteTough to get going but a lot of, oh yeah, I remember that moments. I got SASSY before I got SMART in the SE, which held things up for a while. Yay me for coming up with LUCIA and BLUEMARLIN after some rummaging around in the brain attic. I think I should know about Ms. FELIX, but I don't, my bad. VAL and NORA and KIVA, though, are in the oh really? category.
ReplyDeleteToday's inclusion of crossword classics ERST and IBEX reminds me that while Santayana may have been correct in saying that those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it, those who can remember long-past crosswordese will be more than happy to repeat it. ERST, especially, has been MIA for too long. Welcome back, and thanks for the help.
Obscure names aside, I had a good time with this one. Nice work, BL and MS, Big League and Mighty Satisfying to solve. Thanks for all the fun.
Orangutans are not “zoo animals.” They are indigenous to the Indonesian rainforest. Please stop lazily cluing this and other species as “zoo animals”!
ReplyDeleteAllyson Felix won a bunch of medals in the Olympics and otherwise about a decade ago. She was pretty famous.
ReplyDeleteAnd Kiva has been around for quite awhile now. It was the biggest name in microloans for some time. Not sure if they ended up being evil like so many Silicon Valley companies, but their initial idea of allowing people to donate money to help others in less wealthy nations start small businesses was quite admirable.
This puzzle was… not for me. Which is fine, it happens. I am curious who it is for, though. Is it regional? Maybe in the MSTy Rockies, people finance their trips to the ABC Islands with Kiva micro loans. Maybe there they met gents who express their feminine side by expressing the barest hints of human emotion and exchanging their Etonics and face tats for Barbiecore and Dancing with the Stars.
ReplyDeleteCan someone please explain TEAL? I don’t get it. Also EVENER and ORANG are horrible.
ReplyDeleteThe Green-winged Teal (Anas carolinensis) or American Teal is a common and widespread duck that breeds in the northern areas of North America
DeleteBlue winged teal as well. Also cinnamon teal out west. Plenty of teals to go around. They all are dabbling ducks.
DeleteThis is what the Internet says 'Dabbling ducks, or puddle ducks, frequent shallow waters such as flooded fields and marshes." As opposed to diving ducks. This distinction was new to me
DeleteHey All !
ReplyDeleteThis was a tough SatPuz here. Was stuck as usual in all areas. Thought about running to Goog for an answer or two, but held fast, getting the ole brain to help, whether it wanted to or not. I often have wrestling matches with said brain, this time I won! Doesn't happen often...
Fun clue for DOGG. Figured out the unknown names of WIM and TIG.
"GET SMART, LOOK AT NOTED attorneys WIG, TIG & FELIX. For suing that friend who URGES you to get some FACE TATS."
😁
Nice grid design. Not much in the writeovers, eng -DDS (engineer), RATEDg-RATEDE. I did finish in 32 minutes and change, so it played faster than it seemed.
By the way, my book is now out! I looked at Barnes & Noble(.com) and is available now (I believe.) Over at Amazon, it can be pre-ordered (in paperback) but they say not available until February 2025! Although at Amazon, you can get it in Kindle right now. So, go to either place, and get a copy! Search Darrin Vail, the title is Changing Times. It's a quick read, only 125 pages in the paperback. While away an afternoon with a (according to me!) good story!
Happy Saturday!
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Hardest puzzle for me in a while. Combination of tough cluing, strange proper names, and awkward phrasings had me flummoxed. I did not enjoy this at all.
ReplyDelete55D my list reads BEG KEG LEG PEG (REG) (VEG). The best ones, without looking anything up, seemed to be LEG or VEG. So I had to LIVA that one blank.
ReplyDelete56A was clued in the print version as "Pickup line?" (no emoji)
46D I figured was TAUPE, which I still like better than ORANG ?!
42A I'd never considered ENAMOR as an active verb. It should have turned up in more song lyrics if so.
I'm just an old-school GENT, you know
I ENAMOR the ladies then I let them go...
I satisfy my URGES when I NEED A RIDE
Don't EVER talk to me about my FEMININE SIDE
Had to pick either MST or MDT for 19A and went with MDT since we’re currently in Daylight Savings Time. So that didn’t help in the NW section, which was the only part I really struggled with. ABC ISLANDS took a little bit to get, but once a few crosses made ISLANDS obvious, I remembered Aruba, Barbados, and Curaçao and got ABC.
ReplyDeleteThe B island is Bonaire.
DeleteThank you, OFL. Just. Awful.
ReplyDeleteeasily fixed but I had lepers before loaves.
ReplyDeleteSolving this, I laughed, but I cried EVENER more. I guess it just brought out my FEMININESIDE.
ReplyDeleteIf (52A) "Blue, in brief" is DEM, could we say that DEM MARLIN has FISHEYES?
I originally put in OLIVES for the subject of a miracle. I guess I was thinking back to yesterday's divisive miracle of the olives and anchovies.
I'm having some trouble with NOTAR as "Specification for a smoker." "I'll take 6 cigarettes, three NOTAR, two low tar and one full tar."
I liked this more than @Rex did. Thanks, Barbara Lin and Matthew Stock.
KIVA is the name of a very popular cannabis edibles company and might’ve been more well known than a loan company.
ReplyDeleteI think it probably telling of this group that there are comments about “this dude FELIX” and “soccer player FELIX”.
ReplyDeleteALLYSON FELIX is neither. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allyson_Felix
A highly decorated track and field star.
@ Sir Hillary, thanks for joining in the HDW fun yesterday! I had seen PLEA (and might have clued it with the old fashioned hymn title, "Just As I Am, Without One _____") and GOOD and lots of 3-letter possibilities, but I decided to focus my entry on CHARLY.
ReplyDeleteBut I'll hand it to you--looking back through yesterday's grid, I can't find the HDW to answer your clue about "time to take a walk, get a massage ..."
Answer, please. :-)
Yeah, I never heard of KIVA, and lEG stand couldn't be right. Still not sure what a KEG stand is -- something to hold up a keg of beer? Some gymnastics maneuver? Beats me.
ReplyDeletewhat really held me up was glAMOR (in the old-fashioned sense of a spell or charm) before ENAMOR.
Since I left the _IVA/_EG cross blank, DNF for me, even arfter looking up FELIX and NOLTE (which I couldn't see because I had BARBIEChic).
Gotta run, we're off to the seaside for the weekend.
I know finance reasonably well and have never heard of KIVA. I put in KEG and thought “KIVA” doesn’t look like a thing. So I figured if I finished and the app gave me that dreaded “almost!” message, that’s where I would go back.
ReplyDeleteConfidently entered STEMCLASS right away at 1D (off the “S”) but knew it was at least partially wrong after seeing “class” in the clue at 6D.
I don’t think I mind the concept of a “FEMININE SIDE” - seems the opposite of binary to me, everyone’s on a spectrum, right? - but agree that the clue was bad.
First double dnf in longer than I can remember. Finally running the alphabet for the KEG/KIVA cross simply confirmed I had a mistake elsewhere. It was LOTAR crossed with LORA. I could swear cigarette ads used the term with a dash between the LO and TAR. True or not xwordinfo shows it's never been in a puzzle so possibly a false memory.
ReplyDeleteThe rest of the puzzle was a good Saturday challenge. SIM, FELIX, FISHEYES, ETONIC and VAL were all unknowns.
yd -0. QB9
Can anyone help me understand CASTSLOTS? I don't even know whether to parse before or after the s.
ReplyDeleteCast lots. Way of choosing a winner. Like for someone's clothes after they're crucified.
DeleteKIVA, FELIX, DOGG, FISH EYES, EVENER ??? (especially EVENER).
ReplyDeleteTook forever to figure out DOGG. But! Although I struggled it was a pretty fun struggle which flew by for me - unusual for a Saturday.
Getting pretty tired of "I CAN'T EVEN" though.
Thanks to you both :)
Anon 7:40
ReplyDeleteWhat? Any citation at all,to,back up the risible claim that anger has traditionally been the only emotion men were allowed to express.
I can think of men expressing happiness, love, sadness, regret in works as old as the Gilgamesh epic dating to,two millennia before Christ. Homer is replete with men expressing embarrassment, joy, surprise,gratitude,kindness, serenity, awe, disgust, anxiety, disappointment, boredom, contentment,. Hell, the Iliad is based on Achilles wounded pride.
Is Homer traditional enough?
How about the Gospel of John? You know, where Jesus wept.
Please, tell me about traditional mores as expressed over the past 4500 years.
They’re talking about *now*, obviously. But please go on w/ your history lesson 🙄
DeleteWait, you’re going to take issue at one sarcastic comment on a blog, and not the misogynistic trope that feelings are relegated to one aspect of an imaginary gender binary?
DeleteGood use of your time.
I agree that men are equally capable of being emotional. Really in bad taste, and from another time and place.
ReplyDeleteShould I be completely honest about the way I felt almost the whole time I was solving this puzzle? After all, the filled-in result is not nearly as awful as the process seemed at the time. There are some deviously clever non-trivia clues like LEANING TOWER; FEMININE SIDE (where I wanted rEMINIscence, didn't you?, only it didn't fit.); CARNIVORES; FACE TATS and ORANG. All things considered, it's quite a grown-up grid and the pop culture names weren't nearly as numerous as they seemed at the time.
ReplyDeleteNevertheless, I was planning to throw the puzzle, SPLAT, into my wall during the entire solve (once I finished with the very easy NW) as I'm thinking: "I can stare at this clue until the cows come home and I'm never gonna get it. And this one. And that one."
The one thing I wasn't tempted to do was cheat. Cheating is what I do when I'm having great fun with a puzzle and need to cheat in order to be able to continue the fun. This wasn't fun -- at least not for me. YMMV.
When I finished -- miraculously without cheating -- and realized the puzzle was mostly pretty good and I simply had found it much too frustrating to enjoy, I asked myself: Would the constructors have had any way to know that? After all, you can't test-solve your own puzzle since you already know the answers. And I thought: No -- they couldn't possibly have known that.
I have a hunch that this puzzle will prove as "divisive" as yesterday's OLIVE. Some will love it and some will definitely not.
After back to back 6-letter Hidden Diagonal Word (HDW) days, this grid didn't have much to offer, other than the usual plethora of 3-letter finds (including the reversible TAP/PAT and the anatomical trio of ARM, TOE, & EAR, mini-HDW-theme). But I offer these three clues for other HDWs in the grid today:
ReplyDelete1. A rainbow, geometrically
2. Noted
3. What your mom seemed to be able to do when you were up to something behind her back
As for the puzzle, it overwhelmed me early on and led to an early surrender. I struggled with ... everything anyone has mentioned already and then some. After about 20 minutes a still so much blank space, I resorted to frequent us of Check Word and Reveal Word to arrive at my dnf. Like others, last to go in was the KIVA/KEG cross--ran the alphabet, went with V (maybe a VEG stand is where you buy farm-fresh produce?), then hit my final "Reveal Word" and got thoroughly undeserved "Congratulations!"
Answers to HDW clues:
1. ARC (starts with the A in 45A, LOAVES, moves to SW)
2. SEEN (the S in 26A, TETONS, moves to NE)
3. EESEE (E in 28A, ETONIC) "Wait a minute," I hear you say. "What the heck is EESEE?" It's what your mom seemed to be able to do when you were up to something behind her back--you know, "See in both directions."
I'll GO now, before I do something EVENER worser
Hard hard hard for me, maybe because of all the names. Hand up for leg stand (never heard of KIVA). Also had lo TAR instead of NOTAR, and Lora looked fine to me. And having [?] [?] instead of a thumbs up emoji on AcrossLite didn’t help. But I still liked it much more than Rex, probably because the struggle made me happy every time I got something I didn’t know.
ReplyDeleteAnon 10:57,
ReplyDeleteNope. Reread anon 7:40’s post. He specially invoked traditional norms. No one has said anything about now.
I’m guessing you haven’t read any Sumerian literature, Homer or the Gospels so I’m sure the history lesson was helpful. Unless, of course, you were being sarcastic. In which case, I say your manner are as poor as your understanding of human nature.
Welp. This puzzle generally whooped my DERRIÈRE. I’m happy to report I DID put in BARBIE but had to wait for crosses to get CORE. (Thanks @Rex for explanation link). Most of the propers I’d heard of so I was able to get with a cross or two. Oh. This SOUNDS like I legitimately solved the whole puzzle…I did not and I shan’t bore you with my cheats. And yes…EVENER is horrible. Shall we call a screwdriver a “twister thing”? Oh. Did anyone see Snoop DOGG (a torch bearer) interviewed before the opening ceremonies? I was very proud of him, as it was clear that he probably had only ONE toke before the interview…maybe even just a half-toke.
ReplyDeleteYikes. Not sure I’m proud or embarrassed of the fact that, at my advanced age, I knew what a KEG stand is. For those interested, you can Goog and see a grandmother do one. Well, she DID have help.
@Roo…CONGRATS on book! We are all very proud of you!
I got Naticked on KIVA/KEG. I learned another thing that college kids do when they're drunk.
ReplyDeleteDidn't care for it much. The cluing is kind of clunky. Not enough sparkle to compensate.
Good gravy on my undercooked chicken......! This was almost impossible for me. STEM FIELD BARBIE CORE FISH EYES AND FACE TATS!!! You sound like a terrible name for a law firm.
ReplyDeleteSo I had either the first or last parts of these whatevs and they mocked me. What, oh what, are FISH EYES doing in an auto-body shop. Why Wasn't BARBIE a Doll. FACE TATS on a mug? Don't even get me started on ETONIC (which sounds like something from ebonics) or LUCIA and wearing candles on your head. KIVA? who dat? I CAN'T EVEN!
As you might imagine, I had trouble with this one. It was so out of my wheelhouse. It was trying so hard to mess with me and a gazillion names made me want to explode in frustration. TIG...are you listening?
I did like a few long answers that I got without having to go pour myself something to drink. I liked the clue for I NEED A RIDE and I remembered Santiago and his BLUE MARLIN catch. I've read all of Hemingway's books. I believe this was his last book that he wrote in Cuba. I remember Santiago and his struggle with the MARLIN. He perseveres and he struggles and he doesn't give up... only to finally catch his prized BLUE MARLIN and have sharks eat it. How's that! Hey @Roo...speaking of books...Congratulations, señor....I shall get it and read it. Any sharks?
The puzzle finale: Splat.....
lEG up for lEG stand. I could picture neither a KEG nor a lEG stand and now having Googled KEG stand, I can say I’ve thankfully never seen anyone attempt such a stupid activity. KIVA shmiva.
ReplyDeleteMy really big error was leaving 34A as LET iN On. Poor HANK became some (surprisingly obscure for a Babe surpasser) unknown baseball player and nIM was the director of Paris, Texas. I was just so relieved to finish that whole field/Islam/fish sector, I failed to rethink any of it.
Toughest Saturday in quite a while, but as Rex says, mostly due to names (and my stubborn fixation on wanting STEM “MAJOR” and mISt EYES).
Barbara and Matthew, thanks.
Me, too, for finding the puzzle a mix of the easy (most of the top half) and borderline impenetrable (the SW especially). CRUISED could have been my word of the day for the start: in the NW, the combo of TEAL, ERST, and MST gave me enough to get the Downs; in the NE I was happy to know the ABC ISLANDS and BARBIECORE and quickly get the crosses. Everything was cool until I got to the TETONS. In the SE I guessed I CAN'T EVEN but had to fight my way to seeing the rest (fortunately, both KIVA and KEG stand rang a bell). In the SW, my two main problems fell into the Refusal to Accept category: pattern recognition told me "FEMININE something" and "EVENER," while a louder voice in my brain said, "They wouldn't!" (be so dopey about "feminine," or repeat "even"). Mm-hmm. I liked learning FISH EYES and their parallel placement with FACE TATS, as two forms of surface modification.
ReplyDeleteTough one. BARBIECORE is new to me and took a few crosses, but I rather like the idea of a squad in charge of pink-ifying Earth.
ReplyDelete[Decorations for a mug?] is a knee slapper.
Why are GENTS old fashioned? I always address a group of boys as either GENTS or DUDES. I address groups of girls as DUDES too. {Gasp!} Am I old fashioned?
I'm perfectly comfortable with crossword clues being in the ballpark-ish, but a place of learning in the Middle Ages could be ANYWHERE. ABBEYS seem to be a place for higher learning like how to play the lute, or how to create massive coverups for heinous crimes under the guise of religiosity.
Mailboxes for actors. CAST SLOTS.
Propers: 9
Places: 2
Products: 5
Partials: 5
Foreignisms: 3
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Gary's Grid Gunk Gauge: 24 (35%)
Recipes: 0 (beta)
Funnyisms: 4 🙂
Tee-Hee: FEMININE SIDE. My sister-in-law's dog might express her FEMININE SIDE by ripping your face off if you sneak up on her. If I am ever building a puzzle and the software spits out FEMININE SIDE, I am deleting the puzzle, deleting FEMININE everything from my word list, closing the laptop and going rock climbing with my niece who expresses her FEMININE SIDE with muscles, tattoos, course comedy, and kindness. [... with emotion.] BAH. Who's old fashioned now?
Uniclues:
1 Green-winged duck with a pink airplane forsaking the phrase "quack quack" in preference for "omigawd."
2 Adds clip art ryes under your eyes.
3 Determined the probability of successfully swiping a fake rich guy's virtual money.
4 The machine on the left in our laundry room with the perpetual "out of order" sign.
1 BARBIECORE TEAL (~)
2 TATS FACE LOAVES (~)
3 SIM MOGUL CASED
4 "I CAN'T EVEN" DRIER (~)
My Fascinating Crossword Uniclue Keepsake from Last Year: ... since all the patsies were over there. RIOTED OVER HERE.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
On the tough side for me. I wanted some kind.of realtors association for 1a which led to a lot of white space in the NW initially. For a while all I had was MST, HANK, and DDS.
ReplyDeleteTime eating WOEs: FISHEYES, FELIX, SIM, LUCIA
Time eating erasures: Sassy before SMART and CoastED before CRUISED
Helpful vacations: Jackson Hole and Aruba/Bonaire.
Helpful charitable contributions: KIVA
Great Saturday challenge, liked it quite a bit more than @ Rex did.
Can't believe how many had never heard of fish eyes!
ReplyDeleteSo for all you non automotive types the other common flaw in paint is
orange peel
Just in the interest of equal time, I have been making KIVA loans for over a decade, and given $$ to others to lend for Xmas. Microlending is very powerful, but is prone to abuse in several ways.
ReplyDeleteOn Saturdays, I usually reserve judgment for the brainiacs in this crowd because I feel almost unfit to criticize. That said, this was one that I enjoyed but found the proper names very frustrating. I PERSISTED until I couldn’t because I simply didn’t KNOW enough to guess KEG, NORA, WIM, SIM, or FELIX. But the long stacks were wonderful and it was a good feeling to finish.
ReplyDeleteTwo things I adore in this puzzle – the ABC ISLANDS and Margot Robbie. I’ve been ENAMORed with all the BARBIE CORE, EVEN though I don’t fully understand that collective term. If you want to see Ms. Robbie shine in a role the polar opposite of Barbie, take a gander at The Wolf of Wall Street. She more than holds her own opposite DiCaprio and there are multiple scenes where she displays the full glory of her FEMININE SIDE. And is it EVER glorious. So Fair Warning: there’s full frontal plus language and a lot of it.
Ah, yes -- I, TOO, fell into the LIVA/LEG STAND trap. I did think of the possibility of a KIVA/KEG STAND combo, but life is a matter of choices, isn't it, and I made the wrong one.
ReplyDeleteBut as long as it didn't cost me the $100,000 First Prize, I won't shed any tears.
I AGREE with Rex today.
ReplyDeleteFar too many names like FELIX, TIG, NORA, VAL, KIVA.
I knew ABC ISLANDS, NOLTE, HANK, WIM and LUCIA -- and of course DOGG, whom I saw last night on the Olympics opening ceremony, with the horrible commentary by NBC.
I must take a stand on LEG, MIC, PEG vs KEG.
I was appalled at "feminine side" as well - I did figure out Feminine - but then couldn't quite believe that it was followed by "side."
ReplyDeleteAnd, spending lots of time in the American SW - I am well aware of Kivas - A place for Native American ceremonials. No idea it was also microloan facilitator. Perhaps best known in the SF area?
It’s distressing to realize that two puzzle builders (one a woman), and one editor, collaborated on that “feminineside” blunder. Unthinkingly perpetuating a harmful misperception about men, and boys, that is just straight out of the Eisenhower era.
ReplyDeleteWhen I was finished the puzzle but had a blank at -IVA -EG I tried many letters before K finally worked. Then I put my hands on my hips and said aloud "You Have Got To Be Kidding Me". Why oh why, when you're already using the dreadful KIVA would you go out of your way to clue KEG using a pretty obscure partial? (Here is an Ngram comparison with LEG STAND.) It really left a bad taste to end the puzzle, which hadn't been that great anyway because of the names.
ReplyDeleteI tried HITCHHIKER before I NEED A RIDE then deleted it and moved on. And really wanted SAILED before CRUISED.
Can’t remember ever having less fun solving a puzzle
ReplyDeleteKIVA was your 🦖 word of the day Sunday, November 22, 2015.
ReplyDeleteToughest Saturday in several months for me — so much deliberately obscure cluing and so so SO many names of people I’ve never heard of (TIG/VAL/NORA/FELIX). It was quite a slog but not an unpleasant slog — challenge is what Saturday should be about. Just a hard disagree to those who thought this was easy.
ReplyDeleteI was pretty thrown by MST for “Rockies setting” — wrote in MDT confidently because the Colorado Rockies are a baseball team that plays during daylight saving time. I should be thinking mountains and not baseball, I guess.
ReplyDeleteTough but appropriate for Saturday. Agree with sloppiness of repetitive roots and crazy first names. But what I really hated was Rockies setting: it is summer so it must be MDT! I’ve never seen standard time referred to during the summer. And props to Rex for slaying the NW in 5 seconds. It was my toughest quadrant.
ReplyDeleteWow. My first actual entry was DOGG.
ReplyDeleteI did want SPCA but couldn’t back up the S with Science-anything so waited. Don’t know why TEALs are dabblers. Wanted col or den (Colorado or Denver )for Rockies’ setting. Bailed and searched the clues for any toeholds. Thank you Snoop!
Built out from there with TETON, MOGUL, MISERS and LOOKAT, but was still stymied for the longest. Eons passed.
Lots of write overs, starting with the wrong lO-TAR which at least got me RATED E. (I kept out of the G trap by having pre-filled the ED of AGERELATED.) But Sassy instead of SMART led to fogy for the old-fashioned man. I CAN’T sing could be an expression of exasperation, right?
Failure ensued. i opened up the online puzzle to reveal KIVA (ie, cheat) and finish the SE. Then worked up the coast where garishness (hot-pink anything) was obviously wrong but still a funny ALTernative to BARBIECORE. Didn’t write it in, and ABBEY and BLUE MARLIN saved that corner. Success!
CARNIVORES gave me the C for the candlecrown holiday, which I didn’t know but honestly just thought, “Hmm, it’s Sweden, there’s probably a U in there somewhere. (I feel ashamed for that bit of stereotyping, but it’s crosswords and you do what you gotta do.) Knowing LUCIA means light led to triumph in the SW.
But WIM a total woe. Guessed tIM, which led to taDAS for Wrap-ups and something-NAT for Clue in. Erred again with pete instead of HANK because, EVEN though HANK was my first guess, the K meant I was looking for word that ends in KNat. Cheated to confirm the K and get going again.
Cheated again (not done yet!) to find out what kind of EYES we were talking about. Finally saw FEMININE SIDE and remembered ISLAM. Revealed the C of SPCA and the L when I didn’t trust TEAL, that flighty dabbler.
Thanks, constructors. The puzzle itself was exhausting but my goofs kept me amused.
Interesting article against ORANG
I had a strong start in the NW but I tried CASTS DICE and STEM MAJOR. I had _ELIX and still didn't want FELIX because then 20D would have to be FEMALEsomething and there's no way that's right... right? Hated that clue.
ReplyDeleteFor the first time in forever (since April, possibly) I felt Saturday-stuck at one point. Then a bunch of unknowns in the SW (LUCIA VAL NORA) plus ORANG that just wasn't coming to me, and my accidental handicap at 56D where on my interface (Down for a Cross) I got neither the emojis, nor the alternative [Pickup line?] clue. So I had the clue with the emojis replaced by [?]. And also, I had EVENED before EVENER (reading "level" as an adjective).
Just like Rex, I finished with an alphabet run at KIVA x KEG. Both LEG stand and PEG stand sounded reasonable. The thing is, KIVA absolutely did NOT have to be there. Just go with DOT instead of KEG or something.
I liked the puzzle. My one complaint was the NOTAR-NORA cross. I wasn't familiar with Awkwafina so i had LOTAR-LORA. I'm a victim of PPP I guess.
ReplyDeleteThe names were killers for me on this one. Don't have TV and don't keep up with much of pop culture and avoid the news.
ReplyDeleteI knew KIVA, however, only because a friend of mine is the General Counsel. Otherwise, I wouldn't have had a clue.
Feisty SatPuz, as usual.
ReplyDeletestaff weeject picks: TIG & WIM. Nice for my nanoseconds to meet yah, folks.
best SUSword: BARBIECORE. Knew I was in trouble, when they had that "fashion" word in the clue. My LEVIS and sweatshirts rarely qualify for such clues.
some faves included: ICANTEVEN & EVENER [See? U could EVEN, after all!]. GOFORIT. TAKEADIVE. FACETATS clue.
Kinda had a challenge figurin out what the INEEDARIDE clue was a [real light yellow] pic of.
Better LEANINGTOWER clue: {Wrecker truck tryin to haul in a Sherman tank?}.
Thanx for gangin up on us in yer themeless manner, Ms. Lin darlin & Mr. Stock dude. But not RATEDEZ.
Masked & Anonymo3Us
**gruntz**
Anon 1:51
ReplyDeleteThank you.
Very difficult and not in a fun or satisfying way. Just awkward cluing and some poor fill. Too many names. Not on my wavelength. What is ETONIC and why should I know that. AGE RELATED is not a standalone phrase. Horrible answer. Not sure how match = AGREE. NW corner took about three times as long as the rest of the puzzle. Yuck.
ReplyDeleteSam
DeletePuzzled by some of your criticism.
There has never been nor is now a rule that an answer be a stand alone phrase. Don’t know why you picked this one out. Every single puzzle has answers like that. The clue asks for an adjective or adjective phrase and you get one.
As to match. Typical, especially late week puzzles some word clues another. They are synonymous on some meanings but not others Perfectly ordinary. I googled agree and match First sentence “They are synonyms “ but goes on to say not for every meaning.
I do agree that a pile up of names made it tough.
I, too, was dismayed by FEMININE SIDE. It was one of the last answers I got, and I hesitated to put in in, thinking, "No, no, they wouldn't..." but, yep, they did. Otherwise it played medium-tough for me, flowed from NW to SE (East-West!), then dithered a bit before filling in the rest.
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ReplyDelete@A (2:23) . . . Dabblers are a category of duck. They're the ones who stick their bottoms up in the air when they eat. Here's more from the interweb --
Dabblers and divers are two main types of ducks. You can tell them apart by the way they eat, fly and look.
Dabblers (also called puddle ducks) ride high along the water, skimming the surface for food. They’ll tip their head underwater and stick their bottoms straight up in the air while noshing on seeds, grains, plants, insects and worms. Divers ride low in deep, open waters and can dive down 40 feet or more to feed on fish, snails and invertebrates.
https://mdc.mo.gov/blogs/discover-nature-notes/dabblers-vs-divers-1#:~:text=Dabblers%20like%20mallards%2C%20widgeons%20and,divers%20to%20walk%20on%20land.
Kudos to anyone who was able to solve this cleanly. There are at least a dozen clues that… sorry, too frustrated to compose a reasoned or thoughtful criticism. KIVA? Really? It seems we (okay, I) get one of these every three to four months that make me question the time and effort I put in. Thoroughly and intensely unpleasant.
ReplyDeleteHammerin' Hank is the one and only true home run king. Reminds me of a limerick:
ReplyDeleteIn Cooperstown, where there's a hall
For the legends who swatted the ball,
The name Bonds you won't see—
Not unless you go pee,
'Cause I wrote this here poem in a stall!
Alternate clue for PERSISTED: What McConnell said Warren did.
ReplyDeleteHardest Saturday for me in a while - and it wasn't just the names but got stuck in so many places. Stared at _ALLET for the longest time and kept hearing the T and couldn't get past wALLET, mALLET, or pALLET, and did not know ABCISLANDS. I also was stuck for ever on FEMININESIDE, and even had everything but the M but still could not see it. I kept thinking the angle was a passionate arguing one side of a case, and I was pronouncing NINE like the number, and was completely baffled, and ISLA_ was not helping because I was thinking some form of an island being lower (close to sea level). Got BARBIE but CORE meant nothing to me. Had pete instead of HANK forever, FISsurES instead of FISHEYES, rockINGchaiR instead of LEANINGTOWER, cooT instead of GENT with mic -stand instead of KEG stand, and not knowing WIM, FELIX, KIVA, TIG, LUCIA, WRENS, and on and on. Just a brutal disaster. Usually pretty successful with my Saturdays, but this was humbling.
ReplyDeleteKiva? Seriously?
ReplyDeleteKIVA is a great website! If you're on the fence, I'd recommend lending to the women with Kashf Foundation in Pakistan, who I've worked with before on a different loan product. They're an extremely professional and legit team who are committed to sustainable growth.
ReplyDeleteBut regardless of me knowing KIVA, this was a slog. I CAN'T EVEN.
Way too much obscure junk in this puzzle. I don’t hang out with people with tattoos on their faces, I don’t take out small loans online, I don’t follow Barbie fashion, etc. To what audience are they addressing these puzzles? I solved everything, but found it tedious.
ReplyDeleteThought it about medium until the SE
ReplyDeleteOuch K or L N o L
Went with L both times. At least I did think of Kiva and Notar. But I convinced myself they never got rid of all the tar. It was just advertising speak lotar. I really should have guessed kiva because it is a word after all. Oh well.
Can understand why some didn’t like this puzzle. But overall I thought it was tricky in a good way. But it did go overboard with the names.
Found this insanely tough, hardest since I picked these back up again about 18 months ago.
ReplyDeleteLoved BARBIECORE and TAKEADIVE, thought FEMININESIDE was funny, truly hated CASTSLOTS! (I wanted CONTRACTS for that one, by then I was desperate.)
Finally, a challenging puzzle. Took some work and overwriting but got there in the end. Enjoyed it.
ReplyDeleteDid no one else notice the minor piscine ”theme” of BLUEMARLIN, FISHEYES, and LOAVES (referencing the miracle of the loaves and fishes)? I didn’t particularly enjoy this puzzle for most of the reasons others have mentioned, but that subtle pattern made me smile.
ReplyDeleteI'm with Rex on this one (usually, he's too grumpy for my taste). FEMININESIDE? What are we in the 1950s? And ICANTEVEN EVENER. Finally, I googled FISHEYES and couldn't find a reference to car paint. Lazy cluing and terrible editing.
ReplyDeleteI disagree with Rex. This one was not easy-medium even for a Saturday, at least not for me. I found it to be a proper Saturday-level challenge. Loved it.
ReplyDeleteDoing this on the Seattle Times site (a month late and a dollar short, of course) the clue for 56A is "One meaning of ?" with no emoji. I tried and tried to fit something in there and when crosses finally gave the answer INEEDARIDE I cried into my Wheaties with confusion. Geez. Thank goodness this blog exists. I'm still not clear on CASTSLOTS since I have only heard of drawing or picking lots, is there another meaning I'm missing? The whole NW corner was a horror show for me.
ReplyDeleteYeah, the "One meaning of" clue meant nothing to me, as it was followed by a capital X inside a box. Which is, anything they can't type. Depended entirely on crosses.
ReplyDeleteFirst in was WIM (how could you forget the name WIM Wenders?). Wound up getting the NE first, then NW, SW and finally that pesky natick at sq. 55. Finally figured it out. Medium-challenging here, unEVENly filled (though I never noticed the dupe till coming here). Par.
Wordle bogey.
Thank heavens for Rex Parker. I would never understand some answers without his explanation. Then please tell me how those who do the NYT crossword in the Seattle Times were expected to answer "One meaning of " without anything printed after those words! I had to look up the answer and even then I didn't understand it. Now I know the Seattle Times neglected to print the emoji.
ReplyDeleteYep, sindaland here — googled for the -eg/iva cross. Can’t say I feel unworthy for the fail. Next!
ReplyDeleteHated it!
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