Constructor: Ryan McCarty
Relative difficulty: medium, maybe medium-hard? idk
THEME: none
Word of the Day: SAM (___ Taylor-Johnson, director of "Fifty Shades of Grey") —
Samantha Louise Taylor-Johnson OBE (née Taylor-Wood; 4 March 1967) is a British filmmaker and photographer. Her directorial feature film debut was 2009's Nowhere Boy, a film based on the childhood experiences of the Beatles songwriter and singer John Lennon. She is one of a group of artists known as the Young British Artists.
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Taylor-Johnson directed the film adaptation of E. L. James' best-selling erotic novel, Fifty Shades of Grey, made by Universal Pictures and Focus Features. She was chosen from a list that included Angelina Jolie, Steven Soderbergh, Ryan Murphy, Joe Wright, and Gus Van Sant. Taylor-Johnson was in pole position to direct Fifty Shades Darker (the sequel to Fifty Shades of Grey), but decided to walk away from the much-discussed franchise after she was involved in a number of disagreements with author E.L. James. In June 2017, Taylor-Johnson said that she regretted directing the first film.
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Once again, it's me, occasional indie constructor Christopher Adams, stepping in for a weekend of guest blogging. You may know me from such places as the recently expanded AVCX, where I'm one of the editors for the AVCX+ puzzle. Well worth subscribing if you're not already, and lots of bangers so far—including one co-constructed by today's constructor, Ryan McCarty.Given the byline, I expected a wide open middle (just like most puzzles at his website, including one from Thursday that I quite enjoyed), and this didn't disappoint on that front. But it's probably because it's in the NYT, and not on a blog (or through the AVCX+, where we're committed to showcasing constructor's voices and personalities), that I didn't enjoy this one anywhere near as much.
Comparing, to, say, the above-linked blog puzzle (seriously, go solve that, this blog post will still be here waiting for you when you're done), the central chasm just doesn't feel as fresh. Not that there's anything wrong with it; it just feels like exactly the sort of thing that would fit in the Times. Like, there's two old white dudes (LON CHANEY and DAVE CLARK, the latter of whom I've *never* heard of, and doubt most solvers my age or younger will know) anchoring those downs, along with PUNISHERS, which...eh, it's not the worst as far as roll-your-own -ER(S) forms go, and by definition *something* has to be the worst entry here, and it's perfectly serviceable in terms of holding the rest together (especially the across entries, which were much more fun comparatively speaking), but nobody's writing home about PUNISHERS.
I refuse to link to anything involving DAVE CLARK or DAN Levy (who I *cannot* stand), but here's John OLIVER [17A: Comedian John who is said to resemble a love child of Harry Potter and Owl from "Winnie-the-Pooh"] ranting about Ticketmaster.
Anyway, the above is not to say I didn't like this; I did, but it's not my favorite. And outside of the center, the fill is largely "yup, gotta fill out these corners, with minimal flexibility thanks to the center". Not much stood out here in terms of fill—maybe MODERN FIT, but that's arguably more center chasm than corner, as well as CHOCULA. But also some stuff like US VISAS, THE PO, GRIPPE, etc. that felt more meh than yeah.
Cluewise, a lot of it felt ho-hum—in going through those corners just now, I was struck by how much seemed to be pretty straightforward, if perhaps a little difficult due to vagueness. I absolutely loved the clue for OLIVER (and would love to see the citation for that clue) but otherwise two question mark clues ([Act huffy?] for PANT and [Came out of the blue?] for CHEERED UP), the occasional fun fact ([Currency whose name means, literally, "round"] for YEN, e.g.), and the one sneaky bit of wordplay ([Schoolmaster for the classroom, e.g.] for ANAGRAM) were about the only clues I actually enjoyed.
TL;DR the NYT stifles voices; this is a perfectly cromulent puzzle if you're Will Shortz worried about all the sweet, sweet cash you will personally rake in reprinting this for people who buy books of crosswords in airport bookstores, but otherwise, you can get puzzles with just as good (and, almost always, better) fill from the same constructors from other outlets, except the clues actually sound like they were written by a real human being. Support your local indie constructors.
[ETA: in the previous paragraph I made a tongue in cheek joke about money from reprints; I was under the impression (from discussions with other constructors, etc.) that this was a major income source for Will, and have since been informed by a reliable source that this is not the case and Will does not personally make money from these reprints. This note is to both apologize for that error and make that clear to anyone reading this; my general point about the concern for evergreen puzzles that can be solved years and years from now, sometimes (imo) to the detriment of the solving experience in the here and now, still stands, though.]
Olio:
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Olio:
- THE PO (Italy's longest river) — No. Stop putting THE in crossword entries where it doesn't belong. PO is the name of the river. I don't care that people might say the THE in the real world; that doesn't make it any less of a bullshit crossword entry.
- ANAGRAM (Schoolmaster for the classroom, e.g.) — No trouble plunking this one in; it helps that I've seen this anagram before, and at a certain point, between constructing and solving enough puzzles, you kinda just get a sixth sense for anagram clues like this.
- TYPOS (Unwanted autocorrection) — guess how many typos (autocorrected or otherwise) I made in writing up this post; closest answer wins* a prize**. [disclaimer: there is no prize, nobody wins]
- ABU (It means "father of" in Arabic) — Had BIN here first, but quickly checked the downs because it could also be IBN, and BIOLAB seemed to confirm that change, but nope, neither IBN nor BIN were right.
- GENE (Good name for a biologist?) — In general, not a fan of these clues; they're almost always "homophone of [other word]" clues in disguise. (And, for what it's worth, this clue kinda dupes BIOLAB.)
- SAM (___ Taylor-Johnson, director of "Fifty Shades of Grey") — As far as I can tell, this is the only explicit female representation in the grid, and it references a film that the director was nominated for a Razzie for (and that she regrets directing), instead of her other, better, more known work.
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Even using a very liberal interpretation of “Joaquin’s Dictum”, a hootenanny will never be a BARN DANCE. A hootenanny is a songfest, usually folk songs, typically with a lead singer and an audience that joins in. That said, a BARN DANCE could be a fine occasion to include a hootenanny.
ReplyDeleteSeems odd that today’s write up was done by someone (Christopher Adams) who labels himself “court jester of crossworld”. I think of jesters as people who try to make you laugh, but Christopher Adams seems to want us all to kill ourselves for enjoying and/or composing NYT crosswords. Not too sure Rex would feast on Christopher Adams telling the commentariat that they’re a bunch of dumb asses for doing the NYTXW, and that we should therefore abandon it for the greener pastures of indie world. I never get bent out of shape in a serious way by any of Rex’s petty grievances, but Christopher Adams has got me rooting for someone to put him out of his misery. Now, on to dumber things:
ReplyDeleteWhat I say when I’m credited with a witticism that was actually authored by my better half: the PUN IS HERS.
Paul + Garfunkel for short: S AND ART
I hope nobody had TYPOS in THEPO.
Impressive construction despite a few semi-desperate life lines. Like BIOLAB (previously lawyered in this blog), POPTAB (green paint or worse), EDDYING (a word we all use frequently).
But a tough and thoroughly enjoyable puzzle that was deserving of the POW that Jeff Chen gave it. Thank you, Ryan McCarty.
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DeleteDang, you should write a blog.
DeleteI've never had such an unpleasant read of a guest blogger before. Christopher, your rant is worse than a bad Rex day and that's saying something. Please take your vitriol somewhere else. Clare and Malaika: come back!
ReplyDeleteBTW this is Jeff Chen's puzzle of the week. Just saying. And I liked the structure, the big continuous white area, and the variety of answers. I've often heard Rex rave about this or that indie puzzle, but any that I've tried just don't do it for me. So there.
[Spelling Bee: Fri 12 min. to pg; QB later. A few crunchy words but I managed to track them all down.]
Toughish. NW (although me too for iBn)and SE were medium, NE and SW were tough. NE was tough mostly because I of course held on the draCULA for way too long....SW because I held on to BARE CHEek for way too long. Nice challenge, liked it, and Jeff at Xwordinfo gave it POW.
ReplyDelete@Christopher - You’re right about DAVE CLARK. He was a gimme for me but my grandkids wouldn’t have a clue about him or Ed Sullivan.
I don’t see why that’s a problem. I’m relatively new to this scene, but I’m already sensing a lot of zoomer privilege afoot. If you don’t remember The Dave Clark Five (and such classic British Invasion hits as “Glad All Over”), you are condemned to repeat them.
DeleteSpent more time Googling and reading Wikipedia than doing the puzzle. I am weirded out that TYPOS is clued "unwanted autocorrections." The alleged typo exists prior to the autocorrection. An unwanted autocorrection is a wrong word -- not a typo. Can't decide if I loved or hated erasing Dracula for Chocula.
ReplyDeleteI couldn't have been more surprised at @Christopher's cranky take on the puzzle. I LOVED IT (nice to have an excuse for the emphatic caps), for the way it challenged me and for giving me the pleasures of LISSOME, LIVES A LIE, BARE CHEST, CHOCULA, and SLOTH next to POKIER. My way in was CONCEALER + LON CHANEY crossing BARN DANCE + SAFARI HAT, giving me enough options to work my way into the corners - but it really was work of the best crossword kind. Last in: IPA x PANT.
ReplyDeleteDo-overs: iBn, Tiber, deTENTE, abA before IPA, foundation before CONCEALER. No idea: DAN, SAM, OLIVER. Lucky guess: DAVE CLARK, from the D.
@egsforbreakfast, thanks for the PUN IS HERS laugh.
Just when I thought we couldn’t find anyone crabbier than Rex, wow, who woulda thunk?
ReplyDeleteI actually LOVED IT, especially because I finished a Saturday cheat free. Always a feather in my bonnet.
ReplyDeleteLots of ups today: BUNCHED UP, CHEERED UP, TIED UP plus the embedded SUPPORT. Most of my problems were in the NE. Guessed YEN right away, but took it out because I had the wrong count and couldn't think of anything to fit the clue ending in ---dY. Didn't know SLOTH's order, desperately wanted to fit fOundation into the too-short 14D. Had PO----- for the Ottawa leader at 18A and wanted some shortened variation of POlitico. But ended up solving with no cheats, so @chefwen my bonnet is likewise bedecked.
Honestly I thought Rex would be even crankier and I was looking forward to it.
ReplyDeleteTHEPO is awful. Can’t stand seeing ARTILLERY in there given the news, and I could have done without BIOLAB on the same day given the related fascist propaganda. Agree with Gary about TYPOS. SAM x MED is a bad cross verging on Natick territory; I still don’t get the clue on MED. “Bonny” adds nothing to WEELASS - that just means “young lady” on its own.
Weird that we had BUNCHEDUP, TIEDUP and CHEEREDUP in a themeless.
Thx Ryan, for this outstanding Sat. puz! :)
ReplyDeleteHi Christopher, good to see you again; thx for your write-up! Btw, love indie xwords! :)
Med++
Pretty tough, but steady as she goes got the job done.
Another costly (time-wise) gaff, this in the NE with draCULA / attirE hiding everything in that corner.
Same issue in the SW with ade / abA instead of ICE / IPA.
Filled in ANAGRAM in good faith; took some time to see it in the post-solve analysis, tho.
Anyhoo, I was definitely CHEERED UP when I got the happy music. :)
@okanaganer 👍 for 0 yd
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yd pg: 20:47 / W: 3* // td pg: 22:23 / W: 3*
Peace 🙏 🇺🇦 ~ Compassion ~ Tolerance ~ Kindness to all 🕊
This one was OK for a Saturday but not nearly as smooth and fun as yesterday. Cluing was a little off sometimes. That was the main problem. I feel I have to repeat my dislike of the "?" on Saturday. Believe me. We could all do just fine without them. Thank you, Christopher, for your wonderful review. Your perspective was honest and fair. I especially appreciate your suggestions of other puzzle sources.
ReplyDeleteP.S. I disagree with you about Dan Levy but somehow I understand your opinion.
Would you look at the splats of white in this grid? Seas of white! This is an ultra-low 62-word grid, which would be a huge bear to fill in ugly, yet this one has no junk, none, junk swept away. Amazing. Ryan must have felt very very good when he finally filled this one in.
ReplyDeleteBut a feat of construction without being a satisfying experience for the solver is simply a show-off grid, something to admire and dislike at the same time. Today’s puzzle, au contraire, presents a scrumptious journey, IMO – interesting answers from many fields and tough-but-gettable cluing. Mostly, for me anyway, a slow-but-steady fill-in that never felt like a grind. How does a constructor make that happen? Well, it’s an art, and Ryan is an artist.
Eight NYT debut answers gave the whole enterprise freshness. The wordnerd that I am liked the neighboring rhymes of YEN / PEN and ABU / MEW, and the magnificent [Schoolmaster for the classroom, e.g.].
Quality from top to bottom from not only an artist, but a master technician. This was superb, Ryan, a beauty that yielded a beautiful experience. Thank you, sir!
The DAVE Clark Five may be best known(among those who know them at all)for Glad All Over but THIS IS MY FAVORITE.
ReplyDeleteUnnecessarily cruel write-up. Enjoyed the puzzle… just the correct amount of medium and hard. So he hasn’t heard of Lon Chaney? I haven’t heard of half the rap artists that often appear in NYTXW. And he “can’t stand” Dan Levy? When Rex “hates” a name or organization it is almost always someone with whom he disagrees politically (see TRUMP, NRA).
ReplyDeleteHave you ever heard of THE Mississippi or THE Missouri or THE Red River? THE Po sounds just fine IMO. Sheesh! C'mon.
ReplyDeleteSaved par with a really long putt.
ReplyDeleteWordle 273 4/6
⬜🟨⬜⬜⬜
⬜⬜🟨🟨⬜
⬜🟨🟨⬜⬜
🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩
What's UP with this?
ReplyDeleteCHEERED, TIED, and BUNCHED - that's what. Did they walk into a bar or are they members of it? Only @GILL and @JD can tell.
Aside from the UProar, I really liked this puzzle.
Took me a nano or 20 to get into a rhythm (and mindset), but once I did, z o o m !
And no idea how I knew some things immediately (PONTIAC, BARECHEST, and SAFARIHAT) while more straightforward entries (CONCEALER, IPA, and....SLOTH of all things) took waay too long.
BTW, the SLOTH might be POKIER than most, but ITS [not] A DUD, LLANO ?
Good, clean fun!
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🎉🎉🎉.5
Oddly, I found this super easy and fun. Is there something wrong with me? :)
ReplyDeleteAlways happy to be taken back to my childhood so thanks for Count Chocula which lets admit was better than Frankenberry, but I digress. Not a fan of TIEDUP, CHEEREDUP and BUNCHEDUP all in the same puzzle. Agree with Joaquin on BARNE DANCE. The better clue would have be Hoedown.
ReplyDeleteBring back Rex!
ReplyDeleteNot-very-fun fact: DAVE CLARK was with Freddie Mercury when he (Mercury) died.
ReplyDeleteDAVE CLARK looks naked without “FIVE”.
One of my favorite constructions, but this was an unsatisfying solve in that absolutely all the difficulty came from two proper-noun crosses: DAN Levy and SAM Taylor-Johnson, and both were crossed by very challenging clues. Basically, a themeless Tuesday otherwise. I have noticed this before in Ryan’s puzzles; he’ll cross a name I’ve never heard of with a very hard clue for a regular word.
Agree with @Gary Jugert that an unwanted autocorrect is not a typo - although it may appear that way to the reader.
TIED UP CHEERED UP BUNCHED UP.
Really fine Saturday. Liked LIVES A LIE and SAFARI HAT a lot. And who doesn't call the flu the GRIPPE? 😉 Up in the dark for a 5K. The birds are busy out there!
ReplyDeletePlease place your sales and marketing materials elsewhere. Commentary on the puzzle at hand is fine, but snarking the NYT? Don't know about that.
ReplyDeleteOk, I have read every definition I can find and still am dumbfounded as to how we got from Fold to PEN. I’m sure there is a head-slap coming when someone enlightens me.
ReplyDeleteAuto-incorrects are not typos, though they may appear that way to ultimate readers and NYT crossword editors. Btw, who was that guest-blogger doing the awful parody of OFL on a bad day?
What the heck is a CONCEALER - is black spray paint utilized as make-up in some situations ? I enjoyed today’s signature NYT quasi-word EDDYING. Definitely a classic right there.
CLOTHE as a verb and the phrase “fit out” sound weird, so I guess it’s fitting that they are getting along so well. I previously thought PONTIAC was a tribe of indigenous peeps - however from the way it is clued I’m inferring that he may have been a chief or tribal elder - is PONTIAC MI named after him as well ? Uncle Google here I come - as soon as I build up some more Google credits, I used all of mine trying to figure out what “fold” means.
SPICY is a stretch for rated-PG, n'est pas ? I was sorry to see my favorite of the deadly sins clued as a PILOSA.
Google “sheep fold”. A PEN in which sheep are kept
ReplyDelete@SouthsideJohnny "Fold" as in the idiom "return to the fold", "welcome into the fold" etc. I always assumed "fold" in these meant flock as of sheep, and it looks like it has come to be used with that meaning. But apparently fold is the name of the enclosure or pen for sheep. See also "sheepfold", which looks like more of a Britishism. You can find this way down among the list of meanings in Webster's. This was all news to me also.
ReplyDeleteClue for Dave Clark as misleading IMO, he never appeared solo.
ReplyDeleteLike saying "more 'Ed Sullivan Show' appearances than John Lennon".
Not SEVERAL, but a couple nits to pick. Autocorrections aren't TYPOS. Also a tire goes bald when it loses TIRETREAD, just like my head went bald by losing hair. The hair doesn't go bald and neither does the tread.
ReplyDeleteNice - low word count puzzle. Not as devious as Lester Ruff’s stumper today but a fine time nonetheless. Few 3’s and not much trivia. Liked the entire center block - agree that some of the corner fill was clunky.
ReplyDeleteI’ll take rock and roll hall of famer CLARK over OLIVER as a British import any day. Liked the LON CHANEY - CHOCULA connection. GRIPPE is a few generations off. The UP trio is questionable. LISSOME and EDDYING are worth the price of admission.
This spun on our console quite a bit with my dad singing along with Burl
Enjoyable Saturday solve.
The cheap personal shot at Will Shortz merits a retraction and apology. It was personal, not professional, attacking his character.
ReplyDeleteAnd the apology needs to come not from Chris Adams, but from Michael Sharp, who has the editorial responsibility for this blog - vacation or not.
@Southside Johnny:
ReplyDeleteNoun sense:
FOLD: An enclosure for sheep
PEN: A small enclosure for animals
Or verb sense:
FOLD: to pen up or confine
I had to look those up after the fact. During the solve, I guessed right and had an idea that both would be sheep-related. I was a little worried it could be PEW and the sheep could be metaphorical, though.
Christopher, I trust that Rex will read your review and respond as he did over during his summer vacation. He deleted his guest blogger's comments that contained slaps at both Jeff Chen and Sam Ezersky. He replaced that paragraph with an apology.
ReplyDeleteI have a long streak of reading this blog every day after completing the puzzle. If you're authoring tomorrow's blog, then it's streak over.
Hopefully, Rex chooses to omit you from his rotation of guest writers.
This was so much easier than yesterday’s puzzle for me. There was no struggle at all. My last letter was the M in SAM and it slid right in with no resistance because L made no sense in the cross. Favorite answer of the day is GRIPPE. I see it and immediately hear my grandmother’s voice. Having the GRIPPE was always said with great and serious portent in her house because she’d lost a brother and sister, the last of her family, in the epidemic of 1918. GRIPPE was much more descriptive to me as a child than flu could ever be.
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ReplyDeleteI think the "bonny" in that clue is just meant as a tip-off that we're looking for a Scots idiom. Agree about THE PO. I really hate "THE" answers. Likewise, TIRE TREAD, which is more crossword-ese than idiomatic. SAM/MED also a near-Natick for me but I guessed lucky (MED short for MEDICINE like "spec" short for... specification? specific?). Finally, I so so SO hoped I was going to earn a neologism for that annoying autocorrect where it changes a spelling to some other word when you intended the one you typed. Auto-incorrect or something like that.
But a fair amount to like here, too, and I agree that the reviewer apparently felt the need to exceed Rex in crankiness. Challenging but fun, with a lot of fingers-crossed guesses panning out. I love when that happens!
I adore Dan Levy. Schitt's Creek was playing here on a continuous at one point. I've seen it about 10 times.
ReplyDeleteIf you have not seen it, the first 2 or 3 episodes are awful, but the show gets better and better each season.
Anyway Dan is a gem.
The "above linked puzzle" is no longer linked. I was going to take a look.
This was a fine puzzle, very challenging for me, but that's what I expect on Saturday. Could not have finished without using CHECK GRID several times. GRIPPE was nice to see, but I'm 87 so was familiar with it. Today's reviewer, Christopher Adams, did cast a pall over this blog. But perhaps he was trying to be close to the style of our fearless leader. Don't think that he succeeded.
ReplyDeleteApart from some wobbles, THEPO being the worst, this was a fine Saturday puzzle. I agree with many others that the guest blogger is excessively harsh, even spiteful. For shame! And for what it’s worth, I much prefer mainstream puzzles to indies, which in my experience are all about the constructor’s fun and not the solver’s.
ReplyDeleteMED? please help!
ReplyDeleteI liked this puzzle, I guess because I’m old. Never cared much for Dave Clark, but he’s more welcome in my puzzle than any TikTok influencer.
ReplyDeleteFather is Ab
ReplyDeleteAbu is Father of
Ibn is son of
Ibn and Bin mean “son of”; ABU is “father of.”
ReplyDeleteActually finished this one with the help of uncle Google. A rare Saturday event for this “medium” level solver. Really disturbed by the blog and the Ryan complains about profit motives while pushing the indie world so he and his buddies can make more profit. A typical Uber lefty position! BTW reading the blog continually helps me increase my solving skills.
ReplyDeleteYes, as in Mohammed bin Salman, murderous scumbag crown prince of Saudi Arabia, son of King Salman.
ReplyDeleteExcept for the DAN/PEN crossing this was Wednesday easy here. I had a nanosecond of son of/father confusion at 1A but that was almost my last pause. Without checking I’m going to guess that this is at least in part due to the PPP being wheelhouse for me. I mean, I grew up in Ottawa County and lived near PONTIAC Michigan so, boom, that went in almost before I read the clue it was so easy. And then with only the DA in place the clue screamed DAVE CLARK and “OMG that’s dated” at me in harmony. Then I used the “it’s Saturday so go with the too obvious answer” rule I wrote in CHOCULA without blinking as I wondered how many DRAs would have to be written over. Unfortunately, that rule didn’t work for the “Drink cooler” clue, “confirmed” by deTENTE, so I did have a brief slow down in the SW as I untangled that mess. Tiber before THE PO didn’t help. But between opening an IPA and realizing the cattle were in Spanish I worked it out. That still left me with the not EuGENE Levy/PE- crossing. I ran the alphabet three times with only DAN/back in the fold could be like being in a PEN making any kind of sense. I was right but it still feels like a one letter DNF.
ReplyDelete@Joaquin - Did they confuse hoedown with hootenanny? Still, your last sentence provides sufficient justification I think.
@Gary Jugert - I call it autocorrupt and it’s amazing what it thinks I meant sometimes. But, no, if I meant “apostrophe” and it “corrects it” to “synecdoche” that is still a TYPO.
@Frantic Sloth - As I wrote you in I asked myself, “sure, but what about the Froth?”
"Well, PO has but two letters, so we know it isn't that," said I to m'self. The "T" in SIT screamed Tiber for all the world to hear. CAR WASH saved the day.
ReplyDelete4D's "Classic" FIT translates roughly into "I'm not out of shape, as you can see by the Classic Fit shirts I wear." The Brooks Brothers version of Classic Fit is (or was) "Madison" = I'm not out of shape, just presidential in a Founding-Fathers' sort of way. Such a mien comes at a premium.
Heavy, wet snow to walk through in the woods where it hasn't already melted. Just off the east-facing riverbank, one LOOKS ON 4-5 inches of water flowing over the ice-base, then a widening channel, and now the winter ice. An arctic feeling. The blue bags on the maple trees on the neighbor land are filling every-other day or so. We usually get a bottle of the good syrup.
Thanks to all who found fold/PEN pretty much a gimmie for dropping some knowledge on me - apparently SHEEPFOLD can be (or perhaps is mistakenly) spelled as either one or two words. I had not heard of either usage before.
ReplyDeleteSome have also requested clarification of MED - which stands for the medication (or medicine) that the doctor must specify on an individual’s prescription (which pharmacists and doctors regularly refer to as a script).
@Rug Crazy - “Spec for a script” as in “specification for a prescription” so MED as in MEDication.
ReplyDeleteFirst, if you haven't read @Joaquin's explanation of what a "hootenanny" is, please start at the top of the comments and do so now. I'm a peace-loving and reasonable person, but equating a hoot with a BARNDANCE is enough to make a man rob his own trunk, as my old friend Burns used to say. I mean, really.
ReplyDeleteSecond, I'm glad we've got the PEN="fold" business taken care of. I had PLY instantly and it took a while to think of a "sheep fold", but it appeared eventually, and well before Count CHOCULA replaced DRACULA, which was making the NE impossible.
Loved the clue for John OLIVER, whose wrath is unfettered by censors.
I'm assuming that "script" as a clue for MED refers to a prescription, but I really put an M in there because SAM made the most sense as a name.
Agree with those who do the NYT XW daily and don't like being told to go do something else. It sounded like our reviewer had been forced into this and was determined not to like it because it wasn't one of his cherished indies.
I liked your Satpuzz a lot, RMC. I Relish Misleading Clues and there were enough here to keep the smiles coming, so thanks for all the fun.
Unnecessarily grumpy, and feels promotional. Most of us come here for some fun, insightful and occasionally grumpy commentary on the quirks of the day's NYTXW, not to be directed elsewhere or made to feel stupid for enjoying this daily diversion.
ReplyDeleteAdd me to those needing an explanation for MED
ReplyDeletesince there is guest writer bashing I’m chiming in to say I enjoyed the write up. I come here for puzzle constructor comeuppance and clue nit picks, etc. So thanks for that. If you want anything else, you’re at the wrong blog. Rex serves it up daily.
ReplyDeleteGood God.
ReplyDeleteHey All !
ReplyDeleteA nice, easier SatPuz for me today. Coffee must be working. Got held up in SW, wanting IT STUNK but being too long. Started to wonder if there would be a Rebus at 45D in some way. Decided to fill in the ifs I had there, enabling me to see 47A was first-personed as I STUNK. Aha, says I, but still wondering about the THEPO (one word) River. Haven't heard of the THEPO River, nor also the PO River, so a wash on that.
Biggest hold up, which came at the end of the puz and had me running to Google, was having an S for the second C of CONCEALER. Which begat me BUNSHEDU_. Thought it might be some kind of name for a part of a dress I'd never heard. When I typed in BUNSHEDU, it kept coming up as BUNCHED(UP). Finally saw that maybe the S could be a C, threw it in there, added the P, and 🎶do-do-do-do-do-da-do🎶 Happy Music! CHEERED me UP!
Speaking of UP (I'm sure it's already been addressed, but haven't read y'all yet) there's three UPs here. SEVERAL, you might say.
SPICY seems kind of odd as clued. LOOKSat-LOOKSiN-LOOKSON. LOOK, SON, these things take time. __NISHERS, FINISHERS? No. BANISHERS? No. Ah, PUNISHERS! BARE CHEST can be interpreted two different ways, as men with swimming trunks on usually have no shirt on, ergo, BARECHEST, or as a "trunk" ala an art bust that usually is just a BARECHEST. Neat. ANAGRAM was sneakily clued. dnaLAB-BIOLAB,
Nice Rotational Symmetry today. Which means turn puz any direction, and the Blocker pattern stays the same. (Try not to grab your computer screen and turn it, for those who do the puz online!) Also known as a Pinwheel.
LIVE SALIE in a SAFARI HAT at the BARN DANCE tonight at @Z's Placebo and Tentacle Pub in Rye. Bring your WEE LASS in her BUNCHED UP dress, make sure she has ALLOT of SUPPORT, or she may end up with a BARE CHEST. 😆 Bring a CONCEALER just in case.
yd -14 (eek), should'ves 7
One F (no non-F GRIP(PE) today)
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New constructors will often see clue changes as improvements. Established constructors will chafe at clue changes. But Adams didn’t write a single word that multiple constructors haven’t said in these very comments over the years (or privately to me because they didn’t want to say it here because they fear Shortz holds grudges - think about the implications of that). Obviously lots of people like the NYTX “voice” - it makes money for the NYT. That doesn’t make Adams wrong or mean. Rex is the most public about his criticisms of Shortz, but he is far from alone. And, again, does anybody read the criticism in the NYT? I have seen similar formulations about directors and musicians and actors. The “real human” barb reminds me of the criticism of Darryl Hannah, all her best performances are when she’s playing a non-human.
ReplyDeleteWho on earth is Count CHOCULA??? If I were Count DRACULA, I'd sue.
ReplyDeleteActually, I loved this crunchy puzzle, even though I had a DNF on my CHiCULA/ LOOKS iN cross. LOOKS IN is just as good as LOOKS ON for "is a witness", don't you think?
It could have been worse. I had DRACULA in there where he belongs, but couldn't make him work for SPIdY and CLOTrE. I took him out reluctantly. Maybe I'll sue on his behalf since he's dead...I think.
The Beatles were my era and I did watch Ed Sullivan from time to time, but I kept wondering DAVE Who? Finally CLARK came to me -- you know, the American Bandstand guy, only I was pretty sure he wasn't a Brit. But no, that was DICK, not DAVE CLARK. And DICK gave me CLARK -- even though I still haven't a clue who DAVE CLARK is/was.
Aren't TYPOS the only thing you ever actually want autocorrect to correct? Didn't understand the "unwanted".
But this was engrossing and challenging and a lot of fun. An excellent Saturday. Biggest regret: I already had ??AGRAM in my grid when I got to 48A and therefore never had the huge "Aha" moment that would have come from realizing that "schoolmaster" is an anagram of "the classroom". What a fabulous anagram!
I cannot be the only person who wanted to put "Ball" for 24A.
ReplyDeleteI worked the McCarty puzzle that was linked in the blog, to "hear" the constructor's voice unencumbered by the NYT editors. It's 15x19.
ReplyDeleteIf you're not into gaming and cartoons, you'll probably have a hard time with it.
Examples:
RICKS is clued as "Council of ____, cartoon governing body capable of replacing Mortys in different dimensional timelines"
MURDER is clued as "Word that makes up nearly all of the Fury Tisiphone's dialogue in the game "Hades""
If you've never heard of STEAMDECK or know what RANDO means, this puzzle probably skews a bit too young for you.
While I appreciate that this puzzle is more current, I can see why the constructors "voice" is edited by the NYT, and why Mr. Adams complaint is a bit over the top. The constructor's unedited clues are bit too wordy for a newspaper (where physical page space still has to be a consideration).
BTW - Changing my nom de blog to the British version. Being associated with war criminals is not something I want. Granted, it’s still the last letter of the alphabet, but at least it isn’t so nakedly what we are seeing in images.
ReplyDelete"Court Jester" ??? Yeah, you're a real riot, Christopher. Let's see, there's "old white dudes", Will Shortz, The NYt, Dan Levy, and the lack of "female representation". Anything more you want to get off your chest while you have the forum ?
ReplyDeleteTL;DR...Same to you.
Help me. Why is "schoolmaster for the classroom, e. g." ANAGRAM???
ReplyDeleteIf you take all the letters in
DeleteSCHOOLMASTER and rearrange them (anagram them), they spell
THE CLASSROOM.
Such a mean spirited review for a very enjoyable puzzle.
ReplyDeleteWm. C: Because the letters of THE CLASSROOM, when rearranged, can become SCHOOLMASTER
ReplyDeleteWow! A lot of grumpy people out there and it's still only Saturday morning. Cheated by looking up "SAM" and "DAN" of all things. Only on a Friday or Saturday, I'm allowed to look up a proper name after asking myself, "Is there any reason whatsoever that I should know this guy?" and responding with an honest "NO!" Both of these guys pass that test with flying colors.
ReplyDelete@bigsteve Dan Levy was the only person to win an emmy in the 4 major categories in the same year 2020: Producing, Directing, Writing and Acting. I think that makes him crossword worthy or someone current that a decent number of people have heard of.
DeleteBut I hear you, these proper names, if you don't know them, you are screwed.
Hah ! I thought I might be in the minority with my opinion of our "guest". Now it looks like I just joined the club.
ReplyDeleteBTW, an occasional stretch in the cluing is tolerable but this one was loaded.The hootenanny, the typo, etc.
Anon, 10:09, Wow, thanks for saving me the trip. And this guy wants to comment on "bullshit crossword entry" ? What a jamoke.
Uhh DUH! Tnx, Uknown.10:29
ReplyDelete@S Landers and others. No apology is needed from anyone. People bitch all the time on this blog about how other venues have better puzzles than the NYT. And WS is frequently criticized by name. Save your outrage for something outrageous.
ReplyDeleteI took Christopher's advice and solved Ryan McCarty's puzzle from his blog - very nice. It took me four minutes longer than today's NYTimes but it was 15 X 19 so somewhat justified. I will second Christopher's plug of the ACVX and its new, expanded offerings. The Cryptics alone are giving me the yips - not only are the clues cryptic in a cryptic puzzle way but at times they wander into Saturday NYTimes hard clue/answer territory. I think I'm getting better at Cryptic puzzles due to the mind-bending effect.
ReplyDeleteThis puzzle was mostly easy but my tapir vs. SLOTH in the NE (and yes, draCULA before I remembered the Count CHOCULA cereal) held me up a tad. I started out with Christopher's iBn at 1A but OLIVER and TASER made 1D obvious. Still kicking myself for a DNF - decided the Bureau of Consular Affairs gave out Un VISAS (?) and wondered why LInSOME looked weird. Gah.
@OffThegrid's link to the Dave Clark Five's "Because" brought back bittersweet memories of performing that song as part of a trio. I had fun recreating the keyboard solo and joining in on the harmony. We played a pretty good version, in my opinion. I miss those days.
Ryan, as always, nice job on this Saturday puzzle, thanks.
I stopped reading this critique after the "I cannot stand Dan Levy" comment, as this proves he is obviously a monster! This puzzle was a fun Saturday to solve - loved LISSOM, BARN DANCE, SAFARI HAT... although less thrilled with THEPO. All in all it cheered me up!
ReplyDelete@Wm. C - “the classroom” is an ANAGRAM for “schoolmaster”. I’m guessing that the “the” being part of the ANAGRAM is what threw you as it is what made me arch my eyebrow initially.
ReplyDeleteAdam”s rant is unseemly, unsubstantiated and unpersuasive. It’s also rude. No need for ad hominem.
ReplyDeleteWhat's TL;DR?
ReplyDeleteToo long; didn't read
DeleteI’m sorry but the Spanish word for flu is GRIPE not GRIPPE. That’s the whole puzzle written off.
ReplyDelete@Lucaya but the English word is GRIPPE
DeleteMuch closer to LOVED IT than IT’S A DUD for me, though I didn’t feel that way at the beginning. Took a long time to find a way in, other than the small NW and SE sections. Somehow, coming up with SAND ART off the S alone is what got me going.
ReplyDeleteLots of initial mistakes, including Ibn for ABU, Dracula for CHOCULA (of course), Math NERDS for TECH NERDS, and Tiber for THEPO. I agree adding the article is a sneaky trick. When Dracula wasn’t working, I did think, “It couldn’t be CHOCULA could it?” I know that one well because my father was a salesman for General Mills when we were kids. We got all of their cereals free, including that one and its mates FrankenBerry and BooBerry. You’d think this surfeit of breakfast sugar bombs would be wonderful, but because we got GM cereals free, we were desperate for Frosted Flakes, Froot Loops and others made by Kellogg’s. Loved getting them at sleepovers at friends’ houses.
Clever clues for PANT, CHEERED UP and BARE CHEST. John OLIVER clue made me laugh.
Finally, I’ll join the pile-on over our guest blogger. He did the opposite of convincing me to check out the AVCX.
@OfftheGrid (10:59 am)
ReplyDeleteChristopher Adams strongly and recklessly suggests that Will Shortz is engaged in professionally unethical behavior, to wit: that he is violating his professional responsibility to his employer, the New York Times, by editing and replacing constructor clues not to enhance the puzzle for publication in the New York Times (which is his ethical responsibility). but to increase "all the sweet, sweet cash (he) will personally rake in reprinting" the puzzle on the secondary market.
This is a gratuitous attack on Mr. Shortz's professional ethics, for which Mr. Adams presents no evidence. The attack is personal, unsupported and egregious.
A retraction and apology by Michael Sharp is certainly warranted.
I've always known that long river as "The" Po, which is how I successfully entered it. After reading the appalling rant, I looked it up in wikipedia - as good a source as any - and it is always, without exception called "The Po". So I think leaving the The off is about as silly and incorrect as leaving the "Five" off of Dave Clark.
ReplyDeleteWell, if Christopher Adams "Cannot stand Dan Levy" I have no room for him in my world. I cannot stand Christopher Adams and hope he never returns to write in this blog.
ReplyDeleteThe Dan Levy vitriol aside, what a dour and unhappy way to start a Saturday.
Begone C.A.
What an unpleasant commentary!
ReplyDeleteI can never recommend puzzles from the NYT archive because the book collections I own don't give the dates when the puzzle appeared. But this one I just did yesterday sitting outdoors is so fabulous that I'll give you enough info that you'll be able to find it on your own.
ReplyDeleteIt's by Kevan Chosef and David Kwong.
It originally appeared up to and perhaps including 2009, since that's when the puzzle book was published.
The clue for 1D is "Try to pick up".
If you're someone who does puzzles from the archive, don't miss this beauty!
wow--so sensitive. he found the puzzle blasé and wanted to call-out indie puzzles--so what?!
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ReplyDeleteJeff Chen thinks that Ryan McCarty is a great constructor. I sort of remember that I've liked all of his stuff but I don't recall ever having been wowed. Like today. Chen's POW is based on technical excellence more than solving pleasure.
ReplyDeleteI don't eat breakfast cereal but when I finally saw that DRACULA wasn't right, I remembered seeing Count CHOCULA boxes on the shelves.
Liked LISSOME, a word I've never heard uttered but have read often on the printed page. A LISSOME WEE LASS. Also liked "sylphlike."
Before solving last night, we saw Deep Water on Hulu. I know now why it wasn't shown in theaters or picked up by Netflix.
One of the earlier commenters said that he or she was 87. I was going to say "Me, too!" but I can't find it. I just scanned through.
Years ago I saw a video of an Indian artist creating a piece of SANDART. I was very impressed. I'll see if I can find another example on YouTube.
Like a thoughtful critique with a point of view - observant, even picky - whether I agree or not. So appreciate today’s blogger. 🤗
ReplyDeleteIn this case, agree it is a good 🧩👏🏽🧩. Enjoyed it.🤸🏽♀️
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I think commenters are misreading the "Unwanted autocorrections" clue and answer. I don't believe it is saying that all autocorrections are typos. Rather, it says that unwanted autocorrections (i.e.,those that result in something that the writer did not intend)are typos. For example, when typing in some combination of lower case "c" and another character(don't remember which)the autocorrect function of my my word processing software used to insert the copyright symbol rather than what I intended. As a result, my documents would contain a typo.
ReplyDeleteOh c'mon kid, don't get all BUNCHED UP at the BARN DANCE. You look like LON CHANEY CLOTHEd in your MODERN FIT SAFARI HAT. Put on some CONCEALER, grab an IPA out of the ICE, pull the POP TAB and get a GRIPPE (SEE NOTE*).
ReplyDelete*SEEMS like DAN Levy LOVED IT.
No fooling Chris, we do appreciate you giving Rex a break & adding a refreshing change of voice to the conversation. The fact that responses today were directed to your critique as often as to Ryan’s grid (which I thought a delightful Saturday) should confirm your successful @Rex imposter status! @Zed also gets thumbs up for the neologism.
ReplyDeleteI’m one of those former blog lurkers who didn’t post for at least 10 years, so really glad to see SEVERAL newbies enjoying the puzzle and today’s guest. Hungering now for my Count CHOCULA fix as I’ve missed them since 1989 when the last son left for college in McMinnville. Are they still on the shelf in stores? Is DAVE CLARK living? Some things were as dated as LON CHANEY reruns on late night non-colorized television, so I was lucky to get the right Levy and not get stuck in Shitt’s creek….all in all, just DANdy🎯
Our Guest Blogger says "Like, there's two old white dudes" ... curious how many non-whites, females and uber-wokes don't bat an eyelash when it comes to belittling or racist stereotyping of Caucasian men - and women. Seems just fine for any Black to lable a white woman a Karen, whenever it suits their purpose. But call a Black woman Beulah or Jemima?! Either way, you are belittling entire demographics by ascribing characteristics of some to many. Or just inventing stereotypical nonsense, with malice.
ReplyDeleteSame thing when throwing "Boomers" derisively at an entire generation, as if they all think and act alike. So many of the "Woke" just loll in ironic somnulence.
To be clear (though I'm a white male Boomer) I could give less of a shit in any personal sense - call me names, urinate on my grave. I'm just calling out the feeble inconsistency, the intellectual sloth.
Regarding the annoyance of autocorrect: I disable the function in almost all programs on all devices. Might not be best for everyone, but for me it's not a close call. WAY less problems.
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Attaboy DHSpencer. Express your contempt with imitation.
ReplyDeleteMy only reference for 'hootenanny' is the early 60's teeVee show of that name, which allowed me to see my most favorite singers, 'The Limeliters', kinda live. No dancing, barn or otherwise, to be found. Barn dancing is a C&W thingee.
ReplyDeletethe analog to The Beatles is the DAVE CLARK Five. no recollection if he ever appeared as a solo act, but I doubt it.
ReplyDeletePullTAB or POPtop, never ever POPTAB.
ReplyDeleteHad SA_A_IHAT and momentarily wondered if there are sports fans who wear SAlAmI hats, on the analogy of cheese hats which I have heard of. No? Oh, that kind of game...
Another vote for replacing Rex's replacement. What a downer of an advert.
ReplyDeleteI enjoyed working my way through this puzzle, though the multiple UPs made me hesitant to enter the answers. Several clues got a smile and gave a sense of accomplishment for deciphering them. The last ones to ring a bell were “Out of the blue” and the clue for MED, which I needed explained here.
Anyone else get stuck with cRouPE over GRIPPE?
ReplyDelete@Z (Zed)
ReplyDeletere: Hootenanny/BARN DANCE, would you buy rock concert/ARENA or pastrami sandwich/DELI?
How on earth did some of these comments get approved?
ReplyDeleteperhaps @Zed could give us the list: which rivers, by definition, have Capital-T he as part of their name. in normal English, addressing a noun with the definite pronoun, but not part of the actual name, is as common as dirt. mostly, I'd say, Capital-T he is not part of the defined name of this or most rivers.
ReplyDelete"Dave Clark" never appeared on the Ed Sullivan show. But the "Dave Clark Five" did. In my eyes, this is as bad as THE Po.
ReplyDelete23D: Wrote in DICKCLARK (which, no doubt, the blogger has never heard of either), then NONONONONO! DAVECLARK (and his Five) replaced it immediately.
ReplyDeletestop complaining. I know know it's the definite article. yet another auto-correct type.
ReplyDeleteVictory,
ReplyDeleteHow on Earth has Rex not scrubbed Adams’s gratuitous smear and apologized for them?
Perfectly fine Saturday puzzle but a hootenanny is not a BARN DANCE. You might have a hootenanny in a barn and there might be people dancing, but the two are not synonymous.
ReplyDeleteI think one difference between Mr. Adams and the other guest bloggers is that they had the courtesy to refrain from trashing the editorial source of the puzzle under review and from making a brazen pitch to sell their own instead. At least one of the links I clicked on in the writeup today went directly to the subscription page for his preferred site, AC something or other. Not the classiest move IMHO.
After a couple of weeks of off and on struggles and dnf's, I breezed through a Friday and Saturday in "easy" time territory (for me). So, yay.
ReplyDeleteReally liked the intersection of CONCEALER with LIVES A LIE!
The TBS answer at 51A is matched by a Hidden Diagonal "Word" (HDW) TBS, in a completely different section of the grid (see 19A for the T that begins it).
There's also a 5 letter HDW, DERRY, that could be clued, ________ Girls or Preceded by "London" for some residents (Londonderry).
If I were more technically astute, I would start a DRAFT MALAIKA movement in the Twittersphere (if the Twitterspehere is a thing).
ReplyDeleteI had to show you this eagle on Wordle 2!
ReplyDeleteWordle2 120 2/6 #wordle2 #peace
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(I won't bother you with my birdie on Wordle 1.)
"Hootenanny and barn dance are semantically related. In some cases you can use "Hootenanny" instead a noun phrase "Barn dance"." (Thesaurus.plus)
ReplyDelete"A hootenanny is an informal gathering where folk music is played in a party-like atmosphere. The word hootenanny originated in the Appalachian area of the United States, a region heavily settled by Scottish immigrants. Hootenanny is a Scottish word for party or celebration. Originally, Americans used the word hootenanny as a placeholder name, in the same manner one would use the words doohickey or thingamajig. In the beginning, hootenanny was often spelled as hootnanny, which is an incorrect spelling, today. Pete Seeger and Woody Guthrie popularized the use of the word hootenanny in the 1950s-1960s to refer to an informal folk music gathering." (grammarist.com)
@Teedmn (11:14 AM)
I started on Ryan's xword from his blog and got nowhere. Pretty much looks like it's way out of my wheelhouse, but will play it like a Croce/BEQ/Zawistowski and see if I can get a foothold somewhere to branch out from. :)
@GAR (12:07 PM)
I had to think about TYPO; I waited before inserting it, for the same reason many here gave. Later when I was more or less forced to put it in, I twigged on the interpretation you provided, and felt better about it. J's Dictum applies for me. Btw, I do appreciate the 'auto-correct' function, but I always keep a side-eye out for its TYPOs. lol
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My brawn kept tickling my brain. I did laugh. I was tickled pink when an answer popped in/popped out, out, out and away... then came back and landed the bull's eye.
ReplyDeleteI enjoy Ryan's puzzles. He doesn't get cutie pie with his cluing. He will look me square to central in the eye and say: YOU CAN DO THIS IF YOU TAKE YOUR TIME.
I had to take a few breaks (like bake a chocolate cake) but words and phrases and names came back to my time memories.
I remembered DAVE CLARK. I only watched him because of the go-go dancers and the high poofy hairdos and the "boys" with slick- back/greasy hair. I would take my old dusty thigh high white boots out of the closet, put my hair in a little flip, put a little pink ribbon over fake bangs, stand in front of the mirror, and do the Watusi. The only person who was amused...was me.
Did you do a BARN DANCE as well? you ask. I tried but my cowboy boots kept getting BUNCHED UP at the knees. If I try it now, my feet would look like TIRE TREADS...
Have you ever seen a SLOTH mate? Now THAT will make you want to PANT.
I truly LOVED IT, Christopher. You should try doing some hokey POKIER and maybe wear a SAFARI HAT. You would stand out as a fun guy....
As far as I know, the band was always known as the Dave Clark Five. Curiously, however, the band name displayed on the bass drum (played by drummer Dave Clark) simply read "Dave Clark." And this was the name displayed on the drums during the Ed Sullivan appearances.
ReplyDeleteFor a short time, the band was considered to be in a neck and neck competition with the Beatles for dominance during the British invasion (Mersey Beat vs. Tottenham Sound, each with its own distinct sound and style); young fans actually took sides in these debates. And it was Dave Clark Five's "Glad All Over" that knocked the Beatles "I Wanna Hold Your Hand" off the number spot on the charts.
As best as I can recall, I think, in the end, the Beatles edged out their North London competition. Perhaps someone can confirm this for me? I'm in bits and pieces at the moment.
@ Wundrin' 11:23 AM
ReplyDeleteTL;DR means "Too Long, Didn't Read". But I'd be gratified to learn what he didn't read. It seemingly refers to nothing? Maybe he meant to post a link and it failed?
@ Lucaya 11:28 AM
I wouldn't have known, but Google says grippe stems from the French word for "seizure."
@ S. Lander 11:37 AM
I agree it was a gratuitous, baseless insult. But doubt Will Shortz will ever know or care. Do you think maybe the guest blogger is quite young, arrogant and foolish? He'll hopefully become more thoughtful over time.
Anybody else smile at seeing SEE NOTE below GRIPPE ?
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ReplyDeleteI’m sure Shortz doesn’t read the comments, butt that’s not the point. By your moral reckoning, it would be ok to pick up a piece of petrified wood from the Petrified Forest. After all, who would know. Or it would be ok to steal from an Alzheimer’s patient because well, he’d be unaware of the theft.
And while I’m confident tat Shortz doesn’t read the comments, I’m sure some people in his ambit do. Surely they tell him, at least sometimes, when he’s being smeared. Same with Rex. A couple of Rex’s disciples hear
I’ve to crow about how Rex doesn’t read our comments. But his confederates do. That’s why he uses his Twitter feed to mock a comment he doesn’t like.
I didn’t mind guest blogger McCarty’s critique of this puzzle, though I wish he had explained why he can’t stand Dan Levy. Too much of the fill felt quite dated in this puzzle and some of the clues seemed off. The clue “Isn’t open about oneself” led me to think along the lines of some form of introversion, and nothing as extreme as LIVING A LIE. Also, I also wasn’t crazy about the use of abstruse vocabulary, though I learned a new word, LISSOME.
ReplyDeleteIt seems remarkable that anyone does crossword puzzles any more when the commentators on the leadiing daily blog dedicated to them seem so intent on making us hate them. The New York Times is apparently sooooooo awful, and yet, here are Rex and Christopher suckling at the teat of it every day, blogging their spiteful jealousy. You guys don’t deserve the audience, and if someone like Loren or someone else who appears to get joy rather than bitterness out of crosswords started a daily blog, I doubt you would have much of one any longer.
ReplyDelete@OffTheGrid 645am Agreed!
ReplyDelete@Gio 912am I did the linked puzzle. You're not missing anything.
@Anonymous 918am LOL! 👍 Do we share a lawn?
@Anonymous 1009am 👍 At first, I wondered why you would share spoilers, then thought "oh, who cares?"
@Zed 1011am Making a concerted effort to remain "news-avoidant" (and mostly succeeding), I had to do some Googling and found this. I gotcher Froth - right here! Tools.
What's the name of the river? PO.
ReplyDeleteIt is probably true that the NYT crosswords are written with an eye towards being evergreen rather than "of the moment." They sell books, they promote the online archives. But I think that is a legitimate stance rather than something that is automatically "wrong."
ReplyDeleteI wouldn't call that stance "stifling voices" any more than I would say a restaurant's choice to have an evergreen menu is stifling voices. And to say that the stance is driven by Will Shortz trying to rake in "sweet, sweet cash" is a low blow IMO.
Will Shortz and the New York Times have a point of view. Yes, the NYT has an outsize impact in the crossword world, and with that outsize impact comes some responsibility. But to trash them because they have a point of view that is different than yours is problematic. I am as liberal as they come, but the demonizing of those who have legitimate different points of view just makes people tune you out and stop listening.
@Nancy 12:02pm... I think the puzzle you describe is Sat April 1, 2006.
ReplyDeleteFunky good puzfill. Some faves: USVISA. ITSADUD. TECHNERDS. ISTUNK. SEENOTE. BUNCHEDUP. Symmetric(al) BIOLAB & POPTAB [foundation for a kickass limerick].
ReplyDeleteAlso, impressive ANAGRAM clue find.
Also, quad Jaws of Themelessness. Puzs rarely attempt quads, in yer open competition.
staff weeject pick: IPA. This pup maybe needs a new cluin approach, just to keep it fresh. How about: {Plausible autobiography title for the dude who played Mr. Kettle in old flicks??}. …yeah, didn't think so. (But, kinda LOVEDIT.)
Also, neat grid-spin symmetry. Another open competition rarity.
Thanx for not gangin up on us, Mr. McCarty dude. Primo job.
Masked & Anonymo6Us
p.s. M&A's bro-in-law has brought some real cool near-schlock flicks to our FriNite Schlockfest, lately. Latest two: "Thor at the Bus Stop" & "Black Rainbow". Both are unique and worth checkin out. Just sayin.
M&A's picks both rated a solid I-STUNK, btw.
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@G Marsden → And it was Dave Clark Five's "Glad All Over" that knocked the Beatles "I Wanna Hold Your Hand" off the number spot on the charts
ReplyDeleteIn the UK, but not in the US. The DC5 had only one #1 hit in the US in late 1965, "Over And Over". Why? Because they didn't got what it takes, I guess.
You, Gerry Marsden, had no #1 US hits in the US with your Pacemakers, though several did make the Top 10. Don't let the sun catch you crying about that though. (P.s. I liked your voice.)
#1 US hits in the US
ReplyDeleteI blame auto-correct.
Wow, just wow on all the comments today. I really don’t want to enter the fray on the puzzle today. It was hard. I enjoyed it.
ReplyDelete@Frantic, thank you for providing the link that explains the change to now @Zed. Although it’s difficult for me to be news avoidant due to my husband’s penchant to know as much as possible about the Ukraine “conflict,” I had no clue what Mr. Zed was talking about. However, I would suggest that since Zelensky starts with the offensive letter that perhaps we could all agree it is homage to Zelensky?
Yes. I knew DAVECLARK(Five) AND DAN Levy. Let’s face it…any reference to The Ed Sullivan Show will be dated for any generation other than Boomers and older…who would Xers and Millenials know other than the Beatles and the Stones? Wayne Newton when he kind of looked like the Pillsbury Doughboy? Ok. Elvis, Frank Sinatra, George Burns, Stiller and Meara, and others are “evergreen” and I agree The Dave Clark Five hasn’t had a lot of recognition the last 50 years! My question would be…is our guest blogger saying that SHORTZ came up with DAVECLARK…?
Anyway, imho it just seemed like the refusal to post a link to DAVE and DAN seemed a bit babyish. I mean…you don’t HAVE to post any link…but why point it out?
The great Lon Chaney, unwelcome and reduced to a bigoted aside. smh
ReplyDeleteLON CHANEY isn’t just an Old White Guy; he’s a Classic.
ReplyDeleteAnd you can see many of his amazing films for free on YouTube. Go watch a Lon movie today!
MFCTM.
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@Joe dipinto (2:45)
ReplyDeleteWell, you don't drive a big fast car, and you don't look like a movie star. So there!
But I have no doubt you'll never walk alone.
If you cross the Mersey, though, take the ferry.
@JC66 - I think Punk Concert/Mosh Pit would be closer. I should add because it is not always clear, just because I might argue a clue is defensible doesn’t mean I think it’s good. I think the clue is better for “hoedown,” but I didn’t blink when I wrote in BARN DANCE. When I imagine a hootenanny the picture includes DANCing. Sometimes M-W’s examples from the web will be ahead of the official changes, but today they all look to not indicate anything like a BARN DANCE.
ReplyDelete@Anon12:42 - Off the top of my head Tiber pretty much exhausts the list. Tigris is too long. THE PO, being only two letters, is probably never going to make the puzzle without the THE. This is the sixth appearance of THE PO in the NYTX, twice in 1966, then 1986, then 2009, 2011, and today. Five times as the river and once with Welty's "Why I Live at ___". In case that doesn’t ring a bell, that’s Eudora Welty’s Why I Live at THE P.O. (No, I don’t know my 1940 short stories, that is what Uncle Google is for - also that’s a fine example of a Maleskan clue).
@Beezer - There’s a symbol from Sanskrit that originally meant “conducive to well-being.” And then Hitler started using it. From what I’ve read there’s no real understanding why the Z has become a symbol for Putin and his war criminals. For all we know it was originally just graffiti. But it’s a pro-Putin symbol now.
@Shaw -- I ALSO put in "Ball" for 24A, took a screenshot, and sent it to a friend.
ReplyDeleteLOVED IT. I agree with Jeff Chen that this was the best puzzle of the week.
ReplyDeleteThank you to the commentariat for expressing my feelings after reading the nasty and condescending review of this gem of a puzzle. Rex, where the hell are you!?!
I didn't like this puzzle at all. Having a 5x9 stagger stack crossing another 5x9 stagger stack had to be difficult to construct, but there's not a single entry there that elicited more than a meh from me. Compared to yesterdays, this grid had to be harder to construct, but had 1/4 the fun, if that.
ReplyDeleteAs to the rant about WS focusing on what can be recycled into books later, that applies only to the grid, not the clues. Reworking a grid to get around an uber-current and/or niche answer 5 years from now is a completely different issue than reworking an uber-current/niche clue 5 years from now. You either have to change a significant portion of the grid, and re-clue at least a half dozen answers, or re-clue one answer. So, offering today's constructors indie grid of yesterday was dispositive of absolutely nothing. Look at the grid, then look at the clue. 100% of what wouldn't appear in a normal Saturday in the NYTimes in the grid is contained in the clues.
Also, in case anyone here doesn't know, there are other things on the internet which aren't suitable for publication, as is, in the NYTimes, nor for discussing around the breakfast table. If anyone needs help finding them, send me your interests and I can probably send you the info you need off the top of my head. I know them all.
Anybody ever hear it called anything but The Jordan (river)?
ReplyDeleteAnd Hitler didn’t start tGerman interest in the swastika GermN philologist in the 19th Century noted similarities between Sanskrit and German. The swastika was but one part of the whole Aryan business.
Right, @Okanaganer (2:11)! That's the puzzle. April 1, 2006. I just checked it out online; there would be no way of knowing from my puzzle book compendium.
ReplyDeleteSee if you can track it down, everyone. It's terrific.
On another topic, does anyone else here besides me want to borrow some of Joe D's extraordinary memory? If he could spare me as little as 10% -15% of it, my life would be transformed. No more notes written to myself; no more placing items in front of my front door so I remember to take them with me. I wouldn't necessarily use Joe's memory to remember the kinds of things Joe remembers, mind you -- see 2:45 p.m. -- but I'd put it to very good use, scout's honor.
Anyone see "THE" on this AREA MAP I don't either.
ReplyDeleteAnyone try “cheesedip” instead of “cheeredup” at 37A? 😂😂 “Blue” cheese…dip?
ReplyDeleteChristopher may have been negative, but he was analytical, and focused on the way constructors we’re constrained by the NYT style. I appreciated. Also, for those demanding he apologize to WS, he did so in his write up.
ReplyDeleteOn a more serious note, can I be the only one to have CHEEsEdiP before CHEEREDUP?
@foamfollower, Thank God it wasn’t just me!
ReplyDeleteJberg,
ReplyDeleteHis analysis was wrong. He ascribed base motives to Shortz.That assertion was always untrue. Late in the day, he corrected the smear. Barely.
As for the rest of his position, it’s not analysis, it’s opinion. And not all that persuasive.
@jberg (5:18 pm)
ReplyDeleteActually, he did not apologize to Will Shortz for baselessly smearing him and making a personal attack on him.
What he apologized for was for his own error in judgment when he accepted unfounded gossip as true.
He has yet to apologize to the person who was harmed by his reckless spreading of that unfounded gossip, and his use of that gossip against the person.
Instead, he excuses himself: it was "tongue-in-cheek;" my larger point is "still stands."
And regarding your own observation, an apology is not required to satisfy "those demanding" it. It is required to satisfy justice: to repair the offense done to a man's reputation,. Such a apology should be directed to and is for the man harmed.
No more notes written to myself; no more placing items in front of my front door so I remember to take them with me.
ReplyDelete@Nancy seems to be laboring under the delusion that I don't do this. Au contraire. And then I forget to put the note in my pocket, or to grab the recycling bag on the way out, etc., so it doesn't even work. I'm afraid my memory wouldn't be of any help.
Also had cheesedip
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What I'm talking about is the "but just try to call a Black woman Jemima..." business upthread. Whoever's moderating missed that one.
ReplyDeleteNot the first, but I can't resist saying there is no way to refer to the PO with out the THE. Not in a NYT crossword anyhow.
ReplyDeleteI do think today's commentator ought to be banned for life, for all the reasons other have stated here.
Here's my 2 cents on THEPO.
ReplyDeleteYes, it's fine to have an occasional article. But the article doesn't count in terms of the substantiveness of the answer.
So, THETIBER would really be on par with your typical 5-letter answer in terms of complexity and interest. Similarly, THEPO is comparable in interest to a 2-letter answer, and that's the problem.
re: THE
ReplyDeleteWait until tomorrow.
S.Lander,
ReplyDeleteHear, hear.
Here is an article on the origin of hootenanny that justifies the dance part without ruling out the barn part. Also has Woody and Pete discussing the copyright possibilities. Also Woody's story even suggests a connection to the early definition of hootenanny as a thingamajig.
ReplyDeletehttps://www.visualthesaurus.com/cm/wordroutes/the-hootin-hollerin-origins-of-hootenanny/
My favorite was the SAFARI hat of big game punnery passing through the BARECHEST produced by the clue suggesting an elephant that wasn't there.
I liked the puzzle because words were all known and the clues gettable. Hardwork paid off. To those who found it easy and solved quickly a tip of my hat.
I enjoyed the review. I have not reread but I thought he was apologizing for his Shortz comment. I liked his explanations from his view of crosswords. Very informative for me. Yes he was advocating for a style he clearly is devoted too. Good for him. Why shouldn't he. Thanks to those who gave their take on the puzzle he recommended. Well done.
@GILL
I was speeding through the comments missing a few completely and I got to your commment about BARNDANCE and BUNCHEDUP cowboy boots and thought backup. That has to be @GILL.
@JC66 - I only count three. It could be worse.
ReplyDeleteI get the point of the “correction,” but it’s not actually accurate. Shortz alone doesn’t earn money from the reprints, but he does profit from them, something that is not true of the constructors.
@Mathgent 12:04 – Here's an example of sand art. I think I posted this link once before, maybe on Halloween.
ReplyDeleteI predict our guest blogger will be majorly blown away by tomorrow's puzzle and will write a gushing paean to all of its virtues. (← Me being "tongue-in-cheek", in case it isn't obvious on first reading, or second or seventh or twentieth...)
I was immediately put on alert by Adams’ self promotional 1st paragraph, and my eyes widened at the Shortz remark, but I did agree this could have been better. Wouldn’t say I LOVED IT or IT’S A DUD. Less than optimal clues already pointed out many times. Are PUNISHERS, EDDYING or USVISAS green paint? - still learning puzzspeak. Overall, though, a Satisfactory Saturday - didn’t need a TASER or even a SAFARI HAT, nor any outside SUPPORT. Did have to stop and PANT a few times.
ReplyDeleteBest part of the writeup: “….the above is not to say I didn't like this; I did, but….” Can’t wait ’til tomorrow.
Lots to like: MEW (because cats), LISSOME crossing MODERN FIT, ENTENTE/ARTILLERY, Bonny WEE LASS, SAND ART.
Didn’t see where anyone pointed out all the doppels:
ALLOT, LISSOME, LOOKSON, CHEEREDUP, GRIPPE, SEENOTE, EDDYING, SEEMS, SUPPORT, WEELASS, ARTILLERY, LLANO
Fun facts about LON CHENEY: both his parents were deaf so he learned to pantomime; after Tell It to the Marines he was made an Honorary Marine; his film He Who Gets Slapped was the first film produced entirely by MGM, and the first to feature a lion as the MGM mascot.
BARE CHEST crossing ARTILLERY - remind you of anyone?
@G Marsden 3:54 – I shall take your advice. Always a pleasure.
ReplyDeleteI stink, I stank, I have stunk.
ReplyDeleteReading Christopher Adams' comments here was enough to dissuade me from ever checking out his Indie crossword site.
ReplyDeleteIf you have "---CULA" as the last four letters, and the clue is "COUNT ______," is there any other logical answer but "DRACULA"?
ReplyDeleteAlso, "THEPO" isn't clued fairly. Christopher Adams is right. A solver shouldn't assume the word "THE" precedes anything.
"PANT" as an answer for "ACTHUFFY?" probably refers to huffing and puffing. Not unreasonable...just very tricky.
@bigsteve46
ReplyDelete"Wow! A lot of grumpy people out there and it's still only Saturday morning. Cheated by looking up "SAM" and "DAN" of all things. Only on a Friday or Saturday, I'm allowed to look up a proper name after asking myself, "Is there any reason whatsoever that I should know this guy?" and responding with an honest "NO!" Both of these guys pass that test with flying colors."
You might not want to brag too much about not knowing an honored female film director.
A thought or two in response to Christopher Adams: First of all, while I'm not sure if one needs to know Arabic to know that ABU for "father of" is in fact the very *opposite* of BIN or IBN, both of which mean "son of" (I bracket here the issue of knowing Arabic, since a lot of such knowledge sifts into the general culture from sources other than language study, though I believe passionately in the latter's importance), I've in general found the hardest NYT puzzles, as well as many another less hard, from my chosen days for solving: Wednesday through Saturday) a great pleasure to solve, and found Adams's snobbery a bit puzzling in light of the faux populism animating his plea for clues that "actually sound like they were written by a real human being."
ReplyDeleteA glance at AVCX, which I haven't seen before, shows me puzzles that may or may not be more challenging than NYT. But the valorization of young vs. old, recent vs. historical, which often bollixes up a bit Rex's own columns, seems to me to overlook one of the most valuable raisons d'être of the crossword: as a test of cultural literacy. Granted, such value is based on criteria that change from era to era. And Rex, to his credit, so often admits his own errors and cultural lacunae, while otherwise often unintentionally bringing a lot of cultural illiteracy to his tasks, even for a professor of Old and Middle English who's also conversant with modern lit, cinema, and pop music. But in general, it helps to know that so many of us who care about cultural history, myself included, are often treading water, and thus need to approach our discourses and discussions about such history with a sense of humility, and a readiness to recognize what we don't know.
POSTSCRIPT TO A COMMENT I JUST SENT:
ReplyDeleteI meant to add that such humility is especially important when we’re making judgments about who is and who isn’t a “real human being.”
ON SUPPORT
ReplyDeleteShe's LISSOME but no BARECHEST,
CLOTHEd with A SPICY MODERNFIT,
THE LASS CHEERED me UP THE best:
she's POKIER and I LOVEDIT.
--- SAM OLIVER
I had draCULA before CHOCULA, POPTop before POPTAB and plaiN before LLANO among other mis-directy traps. There’s ALLOT to like here. One thing I did not like is how 40D (LLANO) did not indicate it was a spanish word. South American cattle-grazing tract would have fixed that. Combined with THEPO at 49A, it made the SW corner a bit of a solver PUNISHER, but for the most part ILOVEDIT.
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ReplyDeleteDAVECLARK passed recently; perhaps this puzzle can serve as a tribute. One of only a handful of frontmen singing from behind a trap set (please don't count Phil Collins!).
ReplyDeleteThe break-in was LONCHANEY/ARTILLERY. With that many letters going it wasn't especially hard, but the 62-worder is a marvel of construction. Too much to ask to break up those side threes and stick another seven in there. Fold = PEN gave me pause until I remembered a STTOS episode titled "A Wolf in the Fold," in which Scotty is accused of murder. More than one WEELASS fell victim--but relax, it wasn't him.
Three UP's might be one (or two) too many, but that's nitpicky. I liked it. Birdie.
Birdie also on another front:
YYBBG
BGYBG
GGGGG
Never heard of CHOCULA, so there goes that corner.
ReplyDeleteOther areas had similar problems.
so...
Diana, Lady-in-Waiting or Crosswords