Natives of Scandinavia / SAT 5-10-25 / Some dragonflies / Pioneer in musical impressionism / Manufactured wooden sheet / Mediterranean plant named for its brightly colored flowers / Fine-grained rock that can be easily cut in any direction / George ___, voted "Coach of the Century" by the International Swimming Hall of Fame / Baby blue, perhaps / Where Ferrari is "RACE," in brief
Saturday, May 10, 2025
Constructor: Shaun Phillips
Relative difficulty: Challenging
Word of the Day: DARNERS (29A: Some dragonflies) —
Aeshnidae, also called aeshnids, hawkers, or darners, is a family of dragonflies, found nearly worldwide, with more than 50 genera and over 450 species.
The family includes some of the largest dragonflies. [...]
There are 41 North American species in 11 genera in this family. Most European species belong to Aeshna. Their American name "darner" stems from the female abdomens looking like a sewing needle, as they cut into plant stem when they lay their eggs through the ovipositor. [...] Their abdomens are long and thin. Most are colored blue and or green, with black and occasionally yellow. Their large, hemispherical, compound eyes touch in the midline and nearly cover their heads. They have an extremely good sight, and are voracious insect predators, using their sharp, biting mouthparts. They are therefore very beneficial to mankind. (wikipedia)
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[17A: Pioneer in musical impressionism, despite rejecting the term]
As low word-count puzzles go, the fill on this one was fairly clean, and there were some lovely longer answers. But I still can't say I really enjoyed this. There's just a perverse lot of technically real but strangely niche longer answers. Not sure how anyone's ever going to get excited about stuff like CHIPBOARD (?) (10D: Manufactured wooden sheet) or FREESTONE (?) (25D: Fine-grained rock that can be easily cut in any direction) or SUN ROSE (?) (38A: Mediterranean plant named for its brightly colored flowers). This seems like stuff your wordlist tells you is a thing. All of those answers were compound words that I managed to solve only by inferring their parts. Yes, CHIP and BOARD and FREE and STONE and SUN and ROSE, I know those words, those look ok in the grid, fingers crossed! Sigh. The worst obscurity moment, for me, was the swimming coach (!?!?!?) crossing DARNERS, a thing I've never heard of before. Seen lots of dragonflies in my time, cannot remember ever learning the term DARNERS. I thought maybe "dragonflies" was a sewing term, or else maybe darning was some word for a distinctively dragonfly activity. So mad at HAINES / DARNERS that I did something I never do—I stopped mid-puzzle and looked up HAINES and DARNER to see if I was right. And I was. So I guess the puzzle is not, technically, unfair. But yeeeeeeesh. I mean, swimming coach? (27D: George ___, voted "Coach of the Century" by the International Swimming Hall of Fame). Come on. You could be "Coach of the Millennium," there's no way I'm knowing you.
The one thing about going this low with word count is that you start to rely on certain crutches. One is arcane or otherwise out-of-the-way fill (see above). The other thing—and this is something that absolutely plagued this grid—is plurals, particularly of the "ER" variety. So. Many. -ERS. Look at that run through the middle: HUNGERS FOR, DARNERS, RECRUITERS, UTTERS, BOERS, ELDERS, DODGERS. From UTTERS to HUNGERS you've got a five-step stairway of "S"s at the ends of those answers. And the -ERS don't stop. ESTER, PEEPER, HOME OWNER, USER, ERRS, ALIEN ENCOUNTER ... I think I got 'em all now, though there are still something like a half a dozen -S plurals left to count. Maybe most people won't notice this, but I found it aesthetically off-putting, and so noticeable that it stopped me in my tracks. I took a picture of exactly when I noticed it becoming a problem:
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[DODGERS—one of the few absolute gimmes in this grid] |
When you see the "-ERS" in isolation like this, before the rest of the grid is filled in, they're more noticeable. Nothing wrong with answers ending in -ERS, per se. But the pile-up ... like I said, it's a crutch. You can't go low without making some compromises. Maybe they were worth it, overall, as there's nothing in the grid that made me want to hurl my computer out the window, and many answers are good: DROVE NUTS, NODDED OFF, HUNGERS FOR ... I liked these just fine.
I imagine this puzzle was much easier for people who know their Mary Poppins. I am not one of those people. I think I saw that movie once as a child, and while I know the tunes you might expect one to know (Supercalifrag-etc., Spoonful of sugar, what not), "LET'S GO FLY A KITE" is not one I could hum for you (7D: "Mary Poppins" tune that begins "With tuppence for paper and strings / You can have your own set of wings"). I don't remember it at all. So "LET'S GO F-" had me stopped cold and guessing all kinds of wrong things. "LET'S GO FOR A RIDE"!? That gave me the "O" that led me to write in OUT for 30A: "I was stuck in traffic," perhaps (LIE). And since FOISTED ON (24D: Shoved down the throat of) and FREESTONE were also mysteries (even with those "F"s in place!), I had to rely on the short answers at the bottom of that corner to help dig me out: BESTS TABS SURE etc. If nothing else, this was a proper Saturday workout.
[Nope, not ringing a bell]
- 6A: Unappetizing food (GLOP) — wrote in SLOP but was very aware that it might be GLOP, so the "error" didn't really faze me.
- 20A: Baby blue, perhaps (PEEPER) — brutal. No one ever refers to a single "baby blue" when talking about someone's eyes. Or a single PEEPER, for that matter.
["I was shakin' in my shoes / Whenever she flashed those baby blues..."]
- 19D: One side in an 1899-1902 war (BOERS) — one of only a handful of merciful gimmes
- 32D: Some camping excursions (RV TRIPS) — off the "T" I wrote in OUTINGS. Seemed fine. :/
- 1D: Like American bacon, but not Canadian bacon (CRISPED) — this should say "maybe," shouldn't it? I mean, I've seen some pretty flaccid American bacon in my time, and as for Canadian bacon, if I want to crisp it, I'm gonna crisp it, by hook or by crook, and you can't stop me.
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114 comments:
Challenging in the NW, Medium everywhere else. The NW clues were so ... generic. Things like "Hard-to-define quality" and the ring toss "sad remark" could be a lot of things. I actually UTTERed some other sad remarks while solving. Luckily I am one of those "people who know their Mary Poppins," so 7D went in with no crosses.
Overwrites:
allot before CHEAP for "Budget" at 1A
cowerS before HISSES for the 2D scaredy-cat
Pta before PAC for the donor group at 5D
@Rex sLOP before GLOP for the 6A unappetizing food
two by four before CHIPBOARD for the wooden sheet at 10D
deed OWNER before land OWNER before HOMEOWNER at 11D
TAx before TAB at 42D
WOEs:
CHIPBOARD at 10D
George HAINES at 27D
I inferred DARNERS (29A) because we used to call them "darning needles"
And now, thanks to Shaun Phillips, Let's Go Fly a Kite is my earworm for the day.
I had a very similar reaction. I don’t necessarily equate cheap with budget but I guess it works with airline seats and other things. It just did not click for me. Charisma was also for me was far from my first thought. Slip before glop. I then followed OFL’s guidance of short stuff first and this put some whoosh into the solve. Overall I liked the toughness of the puzzle for a Saturday—I would rate it as hard.
Surprised Rex didn’t call out crossing RV TRIPS with a clue that’s literally “trips”. Isn’t that a huge no-no? Kept me from going with TRIPS as an answer cause I thought that should never happen.
I found it easier than Rex did (for once), but also found the NW problematical. I wanted "clipboard" instead of CHIPBOARD, something I had never heard of. And why must a first meeting be an ALIENENCOUNTER? Can't it be amicable? But HOLISTIC won the day.
I agree with Rex that "baby blue..." is a bad clue for PEEPER. A much better clue would have been, "Tom, sometimes."
If you're going to risk the wrath of pizza purists and put pineapple on your pie, you might as well add crispy Canadian Bacon.
Had pretty much the same hangups as OFL (6A-SLOP/9D-PLOT, latter of which was really problematic in hashing out 17A-DEBUSSY)
NW corner was tough. I wanted CRISPED for 1D, but I just couldn't get my brain to stop asking the question "Well, isn't American Bacon also crisped?" Crispy bacon, might actually the most common adjective/noun pairing in the entire bacon universe.
Also, had PTA (5D-PAC) which took me a bit to sort out.
Southern part of the puzzle felt like a breeze...then I finished in the middle where I immediately got naticked on the HAINES/DARNERS crossing. Knowing nothing of swimming coaches and dragonfly classifications I threw in O into the offending space, thinking HOINES/DORNERS seems reasonable, and frowny face. (I got smiley face on the A for the next stab)
Definitely played slower than average for me, but a lot of that was futzing around the NW and NE corners for so long.
Weird, as I'm a middling solver timewise, and this was a personal best at 7:40. Cheap jumped out at me early, and NW corner fell pretty quickly.
Easy-medium but it felt tougher. I had nothing in the NW (hi @Rex) for most of my solve except deedOWNER which was wrong and ESTER which I later erased. CHIP BOARD was a WOE and CRISPER and PAC weren’t obvious to me. I finally put in CHEAP (again not obvious) and it came together. The center was also a bit of a struggle…I had DARtERS before DARNERS for way too long and HAINES was a WOE (hi again @Rex).
I did know the Mary Poppins song which definitely contributed to this being easy-medium for me.
Solid but not particularly CHARISMAtic, liked it about as much @Rex did.
My solving experience tracked Michael's almost exactly.
Scary.
Challenging, and then some! But satisfying to finish.
Got a chuckle out of mixing up my Julie Andrews songs. At 7D I had FAVORITE THINGS (“The Sound of Music”) in lieu of LETS GO FLY A KITE. 🙄 😁
Found it easier than Rex too, @BobMills! For once. 14 minutes for me which is definitely a straightforward Saturday time. Yes, knowing CHIPBOARD and LETSGOFLYAKITE and seeing ALIENENCOUNTER pretty quickly helped a lot. Got stuck when I couldn't think of NUTS (had mad, crazy, insane all buzzing around my head.... finally thought of NUTS!), so had to restart in that SW corner--ASTI was a gimme and got me started again. Having taken years of piano lessons, DEBUSSY was a gimme and helped me get into the NE. Enjoyed this nice low word count puzzle a bunch. Thanks, Shaun! : )
It's so interesting how subjective the puzzle experience is. So often, I'll come here looking for "backup" about how hard the puzzle was only to find that Rex thought it was nothing much. Today, for whatever reason, this puzzle clicked to the point of being at the Friday "woosh" level, where I never stopped. Just luck, I guess. And, of course, I liked it (because it made me feel smart).
Another tough puzzle, although I feel I solved poorly today. In particular, I did not notice the two ENs in ___ENENCOUNTER and was searching for a three-letter word to go before ENCOUNTER.
MARKET crossing MARTS seems like a huge no-no. Basically the same word.
HAINES is of course a WoE and big stretch, even on a Saturday.
On the other hand, DARNERS was one of the easiest things in the grid today. That central section has some gimmes in DODGERS, NURTURE, DARNERS.
I, too, had 'clipboard' initially, and briefly wondered if "lolistic" was some modern coinage spun off from LOL. Then the penny dropped.
I don’t think John Coltrane ever played that Mary Poppins song. I wish he had. Fortunately, I remembered it and had a good time in the east, but that NW corner was slow to fall.
All those plurals, then “baby blue” and PEEPER.
Finished in 16 minutes which is on the faster side for me. As a result, I was delighted to see Rex rate it 'Challenging'. Hah! Makes up for the many times I struggled only to see him declare it 'Easy'. So there!
My Trifecta of “I have no clue” answers today was CHIPBOARD, FREESTONE and DARNERS, with DEBUSSY receiving honorable mention. Fortunately Mary Poppins and the ALIENs came through for me, so I got the long downs which provided a springboard and I was able to wander around and successfully complete about 75% of this puppy unassisted (high side of average for me on a Saturday).
Good write up by Rex today - he frequently HUNGERS FOR more difficulty on the weekends, and today he got one and broke it down nicely for us.
Kicking myself for falling for the NYSE trick - I’m a better solver than that. I do think the clue for OTTO is a swing and miss, but we’ll say close enough for CrossWorld even though it was an inch or two off the plate.
Yes me too! I was looking for that gripe and never saw it.
This felt like a Wednesday. In fact, I beat this past Wednesday’s time.
The only thing I didn’t have the correct inkling about was the A in DARNERS/HAINES crossing. I guessed correctly, though.
Very ~whooshy~ puzzle.
Started with BEATS and TAB in the SE and never really slowed down, some nanoseconds lost in the NW by having CLOSEENCOUNTER but at least the L gave me HOLISTIC . I know CHIPBOARD from doing a fair amount of rough carpentry and DODGERS, LETSGOFLYAKITE, and DEBUSSY were all gimmes, yay. Had an H and only read part of the "famous coach" clue and wanted HALAS because of George, filled that in by knowing DARNERS somehow. Last thing in was PEEPER, which made sense when filled in, sort of. Is ATTAR / ESTER a kealoa? Took a couple of crosses.
I liked your Saturday Puzzle just fine, SP. Very dense and not too tough. Thanks for all the fun.
Yesterday was brutal: DNF. Today: Super Easy. Go figure.
I know the difficulty terms are relative to the day of the week, not absolute, but in that sense it was super easy for a Saturday for me. 13:15. Slow to start but then a lot of what felt like chancy guess paid off and I felt like I was getting where the constructor was coming from. Like Rex, 1st toe-holds starting in the NE. S/GLOP held me up for a sec b/c GROUNDS for "Bases" seemed pretty oblique. But DEBUSSY was a gimme and that started pretty much a landslide for the center and east side. Unlike Rex, I've heard of DARNERS as a kind of dragonfly (we have an incredible variety of those dinosaur-era survivors. I love them, as does the local population of chimney swifts--great fun to watch them having high-speed dog-fights over our field). Liked "Committed in front of witnesses" for SAIDIDO. MOATS for "Deep defenses" also nicely clued. Good ol' ASTI as "Wine found in 'tasting'" helped lock down the SW and got me going up that side of the puzzle. Didn't feel weekday-easy by any means but a very steady march clockwise around the grid once I got going. Just enough resistance to make me feel clever, isn't that what we all want? ;-)
Though "My Favorite Things," just to be clear, is from Sound of Music.
Weird. I thought this one was super easy, except for the NW where I spent the most time. Maybe because "Let's Go Fly a Kite" was a total gimme for me.
Rex, I believe the two big groups of black squares are meant to form visual kites, in reference to the Mary Poppins song
I wish Rex would go back to posting his solving times so all you humblebraggers would STFU
In years of puzzle-a-day, this is the very first time I’ve ever finished a Saturday without ch… , um, adding to my knowledge base by using the resource which exists on the same instrument as does the puzzle itself. Guess all that adding finally paid off!
Like others I found this super-easy. Finished in half my normal time. Makes up for yesterday which I found hard and Rex found easy. I whooshed through charisma and holistic (like both those words) and, though it took a minute, I definitely can sing Let’s Go Fly a Kite (and send it soaring up through the atmosphere up where the air is clear) and probably now will be all day, so that was a cinch with a few crosses. Good stuff.
The grid was relatively clean, which I appreciated. I just didn’t find any answers fun, engaging, or whimsical. If a puzzle was done by AI, this is the type of puzzle I’d expect.
Never got stuck for too long in any one place so played more like a Friday for me. Had It Factor before CHARISMA, sLOP before GLOP, cod before ANN (like most I'm guessing, but also realized it was a Saturday so was ready to change it). Wanted some kind of force fed (forced fed?) answer for 'shoved down the throat of' clue but couldn't make it fit even though I was pretty sure the "F" was right. Had never heard of DARNERS but all the crosses worked. Easier than normal but not annoyingly so. 17:19
I SECOND THAT MOTION! : ) Totally makes sense of what the grid pattern is doing!
Hey All !
Started out tough, but managed to get a bunch of Downs in the center on first pass-through, really jump starting the solve for me. NW corner was a bear! Finally forced to Goog again to look up "Budget" synonyms. Pretty sure my HISSES was correct, but wanted EthER for ESTER, nicely messing me up. CHARISMA tough to see. Kept wanting tHAtItis, or something.
But, Goog helped me win again! A quasi-cheat, not directly looking something up. Yeah, that makes me feel a bit better! PEEPER clue was a tough brain twister.
The rest of the puz was solved fairly quickly for me. Tried an E first for the A cross of DARNERS/HAINES, but A was next choice.
Interesting globs of Blockers. @M&A, these are more like Clenched Fists of Themelessness.
Welp, time for me to UTTERS SO LONG.
So, uh, SO LONG!
Happy Saturday.
Three F's
RooMonster
DarrinV
That’s what I was thinking. His struggles are usually just a flash of hesitation.
Always so hard to guess what's really common knowledge, because for me CHIPBOARD was a gimme--one of several that made this puzzle one of my faster Saturday solves in recent memory. Per usual, your mileage may vary.
I ended up working the NE corner down through the SE corner first and then filling in the rest. The Down answers allowed me to see the tough Acrosses, so that even though I got few of them initially, in the end the puzzle went whoosh for me. Except for DARNERS AND HAINES, much easier and faster than yesterday.
I also had a hard time getting into the NW. deedOWNER, landOWNER>HOMEOWNER.
I bet Rex didn’t read the full clue for LETSGOFLYAKITE. I know I didn’t and reading the blog, it couldn’t have been more obvious based on the lyrics.
Nothing against swimming coaches, but I don’t think I could name one either, but HAINES does seem vaguely familiar.
HOLISTIC is one of those words stripped of any meaning by too much corporate speak usage. Nice to see the clue and learn that it describes something specific.
For me, super easy and clean. Helped to know the kite song!
Definitely not challenging. Sure, some words I didn't know... but all gotten without too much fuss through crosses. It also helps that my bio/outdoor side got me darners pretty easily. 14:51
I think I’m just much more used to “not” knowing things than Rex, because for me it was pretty average Saturday. I had everything but the A in the DARNERS/HAINES cross and there are only so many things that could fit at that point so I left it for last and E did not work, but A did! Happy music.
Vamos a volar una cometa.
Engaging puzzle despite a rather homely looking grid. A fun mixture of gimmes and deep obscurities. Patience paid off and slightly under my Saturday time. And a rare rare rare example of a legitimately clean grid with only 18% gunk. Stellar.
🤔 DARNER (what?). Koufax. HAINES.
❤️ ALIEN ENCOUNTER.
People: 5
Places: 2
Products: 2
Partials: 2
Foreignisms: 0
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Gary's Grid Gunk Gauge: 11 of 60 (18%) {Woo hoo! It can be done constructors, it can be done.}
Funnyisms: 1 🤨
Uniclues:
1 My favorite food group.
2 What I promise I have despite having no evidence.
3 Judge's comment to "Tom" on handing down a lengthy sentence.
4 Those ending when the propane tank catches fire and ignites the bus.
5 Pharmacies.
6 Threw a bowl of Cheerios at my stupid brother.
1 CHEAP GLOP
2 REAL CHARISMA (~)
3 PEEPER... SO LONG.
4 CRISPED RV TRIPS
5 ELDERS' MARTS
6 OATS FOISTED ON
My Fascinating Crossword Uniclue Keepsake from Last Year: Ones who enjoy the odoriferousness of the indefinite ends. NTH SMELLERS.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Rex says "Challenging" and I say "Easy". Maybe a first for me. But if there's such a thing as "Easy for all the right reasons", this puzzle exemplifies it. It's so accurately and fairly clued: my first thought turned out to be the correct thought just about every single time. Sure, I checked crosses -- it's Saturday after all -- but I never really needed to. CHARISMA? Right! FOISTED ON? Right! NODDED OFF (off the N)? Right! I felt I was on the same wavelength as the constructor all the way through.
And absolutely no junk. So clean. Really grownup fill. A lovely, lively puzzle that I sort of think was more Fridayish than Saturdayish. But if Rex found it "Challenging", then maybe I'm wrong. Anyway, enjoyable.
Oh, and I nearly forget to mention that gorgeous grid design. Very eye-catching and eye-pleasing. And if I (of all people) noticed that, I bet that just about everyone will.
The clue on 40D, “Why not?!” needs an editor. That ! completely changes the meaning of the phrase, from SURE (why not?) to “Whaddaya mean I can’t?!” or “No fair!”
Let’s Go Fly A Kite was prominently featured in Saving Mr Banks, the movie portraying P.L. Travers initial reluctance to allow Mary Poppins to be developed by Disney. It’s a great scene that showed the whimsical side of her father and was purportedly one of the reasons she agreed to permit the project fo forward.
Me too, but I know my Mary Poppins :)
Jeepers creepers where’d you get those PEEPERs? Shades of Billie and Louie! Before my time but not by so much that I don’t have the recordings. Started with the same two answers in the NE as Rex but then had to go south to develop a foothold. Grew up knowing DARNing needles before learning dragon flies. The relative lack of PPP in this one made it fun to work out the longer answers, even though they were not especially fun in themselves. For me, kinda fast for a Friday.
This was on the challenging side for me. In the NW I had an ATTAR/ESTER write over supported by NOCIGAR for the ring toss clue. Luckily I had BANDBOARD for 10D and once I got ENCOUNTERS ALIEN broke the log jam
Another write over that was more easily overcome was SOLONG supported by ELITES.
It took me awhile to remember the Mary Poppins song. Initially all I could think of was the one about feeding the birds.
The toughest call was sticking with DARNERS. DARTERS sounded much more familiar but there's no such thing as a SONTET. At least I hoped not.
Seemed pretty easy — but I know Mary Poppins and grew up knowing dragon flies as darning needles so that was lucky
Well, that's a first, a puzzle I found easy and Rex called Challenging. And I have to credit Mary Poppins. GLOP (yes, could have been sLOP, my first entry) gave me LETSGOFLYAKITE right off the bat and everything flowed from there. I did have a very odd 17A ending in SSt for a bit but eventually changed my PLOt to a PLOY.
I was surprisingly annoyed by getting RVTRIPS and then seeing the clue for 45A, “Trips”. Seems like ERRS could have easily been clued otherwise. I say surprisingly because I usually shrug dupes off but because I ran into them right after the other, it hit me harder, I guess.
I have heard dragonflies referred to as DARNERS but I needed the D in place before it popped into my brain.
Thanks, Shaun Phillips.
@Rex 6:00 AM
Tee-Hee: "I've seen some pretty flaccid American bacon in my time."
I had an opposite experience to Rex the last couple days, I struggled mightily yesterday but finished this one in like 60% my normal Saturday time. I think I had a few more right guesses in the NW, so I could flow around normally. Also definitely helped that in the latest Zelda games (Breath of the Wild and Tears of the Kingdom, both extremely popular) there are dragonflies called darners, so that one was trivial for me with the DA in place.
I guess I solved this one. There were too many answers that seemed like they could be anything, and I don't have the stamina to go back and see if I got them right. MARKET for demand is a stretch, but defensible. Same with CHEAP for budget. I'm not good on my NYSE symbols, or my dragonflies, for that matter. I vaguely remembered DARtER, which was close enough to get me going, and then while I don't think of Wordsworth as a writer of SONNETS, that had to be it. I only had a few writeovers -- whAt before REAL, landOWNER before HOME, the aforementioned DARtERS (which are actually fish), and hUnTERS before I realized there wasn't room to put 'head' in front of it. The reason I didn't have more was sheer timidity. I didn't even dare to put in ART----- until I had the SC of SCENE.
I count 18 cheater squares. Is that correct?
Same... and it tripped me up since I thought "32-down can't end with TRIPS". I'm surprised this got through.
Made an unusually quick start. It's not like I've seen the Mary Poppins movie since I was a kid (and only once), but I played most of the tunes at the piano at the time. First lines are often obtuse clues for songs, since they often enough lead to the main chorus via roundabout routes, but I read the clue and instinctively thought "Does LET'S GO FLY A KITE fit?" And it did. So what else could it be? Then took another look at the first line and thought "what else can a song that starts with tuppence for string and paper be about?" Then DEBUSSY a gimme (for me).
From there most of the east and a chunk of the south fell into place quickly (for me), although some of the compound words were guesses I wasn't at all sure of. NW then ground me to a halt. Wanted MISSED, but didn't fit and the S's were in the wrong place for crosses, ages before I thought to start with a pronoun. Had _____ENCOUNTER but ALIEN wouldn't occur to me. Are Baby Blues some kind of plant that's also called a PEEPER? Probably not, but the link between eyes and peepers escaped me. And of course I had Cape COD first, although on a Saturday that was sure to be wrong (just saw Polanski's film The Ghost Writer the other day on TV and was reminded that the scenes of Cape Cod were shot on the Baltic Sea, I think on Sylt, for obvious reasons).
I'm not at all surprised that this was much easier for some of us who often feel far more challenged than Rex seems to be. It felt like a fairly old-fashioned throwback, generationally speaking, with references to Mary Poppins, Koufax, etc., and none of the usual more updated assortment of groundbreaking heroes by gender and race for the sports and culture answers. And there wasn't a single edgy slang reference or texting abbreviation to stumble on. The clue, "Person who's entitled?" felt a bit like a sly nod to this shift in the puzzle's outlook to a more dated perspective. Wouldn't want this style every day, but it was a refreshing change of pace.
No one makes you come here…
The majority of Rex’s and commenters’ remarks are about the perceived level of difficulty on any given puzzle and the reasons for it. It’s a part of the community.
ClaPBOARD before CHIPBOARD, FOrcedfED before FOISTEDON, DARNERS??? Lots of fun after lots of struggle. Nice!
Surprised by OFL’s (and others’) difficulty ratings for the past two days. I finished Friday’s puzzle in well under average time, with no use of Google—a rarity for me with late week grids. Got all the PPP with help from crosses only. Today came in just over average. Like others I had the most difficulty in the NW, and ended up resorting to Check Puzzle, which allowed me to get unstuck by removing uncurED for the bacon answer, and hardBOARD; fairly straightforward path to completion after that. Not complaining—just amused.
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Did you know that there is a professional urinating league? You can see it on PEEPER view.
After a slow start to his career, my SONNETS around 200 Gs now.
When I saw 1D [Like American bacon, but not Canadian bacon] I tried and tried to get tariff-free or untariffed to fit. Like trying to make a silk purse .......
My uncle used to be a delivery truck driver for Planters. He DROVENUTS.
Some Scandinavians are neither Swedes NORDCS.
I'm in the CHIPBOARD/FLYAKITE gimme group, so no sweat here. Enjoyed it a lot. Thanks, Shaun Phillips.
Nobody else seems to have known that famous swimming coach, either. That's a relief. I do like the idea that thos squares are kites and their tails. And today I learned about the SUN ROSE.
Confidently plopped down STREAKY for 1D (lived in the UK for a couple years, and this is what they call American-style bacon) followed by HISSES and ESTER and thought today was going to be a fast solve. Nope.
Did they correct this? Reads "Some camping excursions in my app."
Which could be clued as “Something that happened every day, with The”. Or maybe not. :-)
Sorry -- a day late.
The bookseller was discounting his inventory. When one buyer scooped up everything by Charlotte Brontë, the Eyre came out of his sales.
My neighbor had one blue eye and one green. So I guess he had a single blue ”peeper”. It’s not usually parsed that way but it does exist. I did not find the puzzle easy but like Rex I started with the small words and then figured out the bigger ones. Having learned all the Mary Poppins tunes in my misspent youth helped immeasurably too.
Very grateful for the LETSGOFLYAKITE gimme. More like a whole-foot-hold than a toehold. Took a "Challenging" time to solve, but I solved while visiting with my son and daughter-in-law with a basketball game on the TV and my adorable 6 month old grandbaby Phoebe captivating my heart. So ... maybe more "Medium."
Such an interesting grid - @Anonymous 8:41, thank you for pointing out the two kites!
Enjoyable to solve, at a slow but steady pace, from GLOP x OATS clockwise around to CHEAP x PAC. Since I came to the NW from below, I had everything filled in from BONES on down; then adding HOME and I MISSED allowed me to get the top three harder rows.
Do-overs: me, too, for sLOP; also ELiteS before ELDERS. New to me: FREESTONE, HAINES, DARNERS, SUNROSE.
In Brooklyn we called them "dining needles."
Oh my, thanks for pointing that out! They have tails even.
I remember as a kid running around in the yard making a racket because otherwise they might “sew your mouth closed.”
When I saw Rex's 'Challenging' I thought "Uh Oh". But thanks to "quasi-cheating" (thank you @RooMonster for the term :) without which I never would have known FREESTONE, CHIPBOARD, HAINES, DARNERS, PEEPER ??, it wasn't so bad after all. And I really liked MAINST.
Thank you, Shaun :)
CHARISMA was a gimme after ESTER and I got CHIPBOARD from the C. The puzzle went quite quickly, less than half my normal time, but it might have been a different story without Mary Poppins. I'm more familiar with rock rose than SUNROSE but when ENCOUNTER went in it was easy to infer the rest. I liked the clues for MOATS and PEEPER.
I don’t understand the pushback. “Excursions” is a fine synonym for “trips.” If the clue were “Some camping trips” then I can understand, but the clue and answer combo here seem perfectly legit to me. (PS - not being snarky - seeking to understand - for real.)
I was a geology major and I teach Earth science, I have never once heard of FREESTONE.
Nonsense
I struggled tremendously, but I owe the video game Zelda a hat tip for exposing me to the term DARNER — Link collects them throughout the game — which was a much needed gimme.
Primo, lightly themed SatPuz. Nice kite artwork in the puzgrid.
60-worders are indeed quite rare, especially when workin in a sneaky puztheme.
staff weeject pick [of 4 choices]: TAB. Cool clue.
Well, I took a similar solvequest approach to @RP. Got nowhere in the NW, so instinctively headed for the short stuff in the NE, and got a foothold. Ended up solvin the entire eastward half of the puz first, with some nanosecond sacrifices, but without too much pain. Then handed the puz over to the PuzEatinSpouse to get the entire kite off the GROUNDS.
The symmetric(al) ALIENENCOUNTER don't scream out "kite stuff" to m&e, but still enjoyed beholdin this xword constructioneerin feat. A new "Lo!"
Thanx from both of us for the fun, Mr. Phillips dude. We enjoyed gangin up on U.
Masked & Anonym007Us
... Mergers & Acquisitions puz, anyone? ...
"M&A Deals" - 7x7 themed runt puzzle [with only 21 words]:
**gruntz**
M&A
The intersection in the middle of baseball, poetry and classical music played to my strengths and get me off to a good start.
I'm just going to say it... RV TRIPS are not camping! You can disagree but you're wrong!
You call it Canadian bacon; we call it pea meal bacon, and it’s comparatively hard to find in some parts of the Great White North
Proper Saturday? Yikes! I guess so. The NW corner was my worst enemy and the very last to fall. I had a relatively easy time with the rest of it, but simply could not crack a single clue above BONES at 22A. Blank. Space. I finally caved and looked up what kind of BOARD I was missing, which was enough to open up the rest. What a relief. Love the grid design though.
to anonymous at 11:28 am: they're referring to the 45 across clue of "trips". It's generally frowned upon to repeat the same word in a clue and in an answer anywhere within the puzzle.
The issue is that the answer RVTRIPS crosses ERRS, which is clued as “Trips.”
NW killed me. Absolutely flew through everything else - even coach HAINES (!) - but couldn’t find a breakthrough up there, even with - - - - BOARD, - - - - - ENCOUNTER, and - - - - OWNER in place! Stuck on landOWNER and late to ALIENENCOUNTER. Oh well, happy to see I wasn’t alone. I loved Rex’s line about retrospect. So very true.
This puzzle sucks. The grid is ugly. The answers are obscure. No other way to put it. There are no good qualities, nothing to make the many other horrible things tolerable.
an example where solvers can have vastly different experiences. this felt at most medium+ as i somehow managed to fill out nw, sw, ne, then efforted to get the se. i had an advantage that the i've dealt with chipboard and know the _mary poppins_ soundtrack and especially that song by heart. the low number of colloquial phrases was super refreshing as those always sound tin-eared to me. have a great weekend!
Newer solver milestone: This goes on record as the first Saturday I’ve completed without looking anything up (slowly, grindingly, and initially incorrectly, but a milestone nonetheless), so I was surprised to come on here and learn that it ranks as a challenging. Agree on the brutality of the HAINES/DARNERS cross, one of my two errors upon completion. My other error was not knowing DEBUSSY (though in retrospect it looks familiar) and initially entering PLOt for PLOY. Indeed, DEBUSSt is not plausible, but in the middle of the fray, I thought maybe Germans might do something weird like that or something. But I eked it out (helped that I can quote almost the whole of Mary Poppins) and feel like I deserve a little mid-day bourbon to celebrate my first Saturday win.
Yes, we did in The Bronx, too, but even as kids I think we knew "darning needles" was what they were called.
I interpreted the PEEPER clue to mean “baby blue (jay)” which peeps, I imagine. Never heard of eyes referred to as “baby blues,” but it seems to be a thing of older generations.
Also "excursions" in the newspaper.
A worthy challenge, but I finished nine minutes ahead of my Saturday average. The Mary Poppins gimme helped a lot, but the NW was still a slog. Still I felt completely stymied with everything done except the entire NW and the A in HAINES/DARNERS. Stared at ____BOARD and ____OWNER for a long time. Then totally guessed CRISPED and HISSES and everything felt into place in 30 seconds.
Just exploring the John Coltrane/Julie Andrews nexus.
I just wanted to comment that people from Scandinavia are Scandinavian and not Nordic.
Scandinavia refers to the Scandinavian Peninsula (primarily Norway and Sweden, with the northernmost part of Finland) and Denmark, while Nordic encompasses Scandinavia plus Finland, Iceland, and sometimes other territories like Greenland, the Faroe Islands, and Åland.
That question really irked me.
A nice respite from Unknown Names, and names in general. Only HAINES and ANN that I noticed. And the latter was sneaky; I popped in COD without a pause but then thought... wait, it's Saturday!, so took it out.
Typeovers: for the American bacon I had MARBLED. "Sad remark at a carnival" was I'M BORED, which I actually think is a very sad thing to say at a carnival. And then there's "Shoved down the throat" which, starting with FO, really had to be FORCE FED which was too short.
Never heard of DARNERS.
No problem with the NW at all. But SLOP, PLOT, DARTERS and FORCEDFED held me back a while in the E. Then a lightbulb appeared suddenly over my head, and whoosh!
Long Island, too
I was ready to come here and complain about FORCED FED until a good LIE saved me.
I was surprised Rex found this challenging. I worked it and worked it, never needing help, although it was difficult. Think that’s a first for me for a Sat. Never heard of darners. Haines is a small town in Alaska. Maybe more people would’ve known that. I know Mary Poppins like the back of my hand, which helped immensely. “Shoved down the throat of” I put forced fed. Thought I was so clever. Not!
I wondered if anyone else would have the Zelda/NTY Crossword Venn diagram of interests.
Why would Otto be an apt name for a race car driver? Auto is pronounced awto.
Congratulations!
Hand up for having MARBLED first. My astonishingment for the day is just how many did not know DARNERS. Something I just took for granted that 'everyone knows'.
That's because it's a masonry term, not a geology term.
If a cheater square is a black square that doesn't change the word count but just takes up space and makes it easier to fill the grid then @jberg 9:58 is right. This puzzle has 18 (!) of them. If you go to xwordinfo.com's analysis and scroll down to the colorized grid, each cheater square is marked with a "+". There are three in each corner and four in each block of six black squares.
Without those 18 the grid would have only 20 black squares and that would put it in dang near impossible to fill category. The lowest count is 17 (!!) by Joe Krozel, 7/27/2012.
There are also an additional seven virtual cheater squares. Each comes in the form of a two for one POC (plural of convenience) where a Down and an Across share a single POCifying S. Six occur at the ends of HISS/BONE, BOER/DARNER, ELDER/RECRUITER, SONNET/UTTER, RVTRIP/ERR and NORDIC/BEST. The seventh is at the end of GROUND and inside HUNGER FOR, what might be called a stealth two fer.
So overall I thought it was a fine Saturday offering and a banner day for POC hunters.
Whoa, for once I disagree on the difficulty, this is the easiest Saturday I’ve ever done. I’m newish to crosswords (less than a year) so I’m still quite slow, but it was 30min shorter than my avg Saturday and required no “cheating” (googling for info). I did know Mary Poppins (didn’t recognize the lyrics but got it was talking about a kite and the tune immediately popped into my head) and an unhealthy amount of Animal Crossing during the pandemic made DARNERS easy. And a lot of DIY practice and YouTube watching gave me CHIPBOARD pretty early on. I think I got lucky with some early guesses but this one flowed for me!
A red letter day for me. In the past, whenever I completed a Saturday, Rex would rate it as Easy. This is the first time I ever completed a Challanging Saturday!
Let’s go fly kite was the first answer I entered! It’s a marvelous, uplifting (pun intended) song that ends the whole movie, for heavens sake. Liked the oddness of the puzzle overall. Medium for me.
Anonymous 6:18 AM
About dupes Trip in clue in one place and in an answer near by
Under Shortz et al there is NO rule against dupes They happen all the time but commenters complain about it as if there is a rule. So don’t reject a dupe as an answer.
Rex sometimes complains but only if it is what he considers egregious because there are so many. Personally, they bother me not at all. I did notice this one and I said people are going to complain about a non existent rule. No
Seems like a lot of people who have trouble with Saturday found this one easier. I think it really was a wheelhouse issue for Rex because I agree it was not a hard puzzle. I had some trouble in the NW but otherwise easy.
I knew Let’s Go Fly a Kite and Debussy so that was a big help.
But while having BOARD I did have trouble about what kind. No one mentioned wallBOARD. Isn’t that a thing?
Oddly while I had ENCOUNTER I thought that Ets Aliens UFO’s etc were too obvious for a Saturday! The crosses filled everything in. Didn’t realize the answer was ALIEN till I read Rex.
Interesting how some thought the grid was ugly but Nancy thought just the opposite.
A lot easier than yesterday.
Who would deny you a little mid-day bourbon?
Speaking of ALIENENCOUNTERs, that's also a part of my book! I don't want to spoil it (read: buy my book to see! 😁), so run to Amazon or barnesandnoble.com and grab a copy of Changing Times by Darrin Vail. You'll laugh, you'll cry, you might throw it at @Nancy's wall.
RooMonster
Book Pushing Guy
It’s actually Sunday where many of you are, and I will be brief. And I have absolutely nothing original to contribute. My solve mirrored that of OFL almost exactly. Couldn’t get anything to land in the NW after getting ESTER and I MISSED.
I laughingly call this kind of solve a crossword safari. You trek through the grid hoping for a “big game” sighting. After the two on the NW, my next success was two more gimmies: DEBUSSY and Sandy Koufax’s DODGERS. From there, I went up to the short fill in the NE for OTTO, REAL and GLOP, although I had to trade my (s)lop to get GROUNDED.
Down in the SE, I was troubled by MARKET crossing MARTS, and I truly dislike MARTS rather than bodega. Yes I know the grid would not accommodate the 6th letter for that or mini-marts, but nobody calls C Stores MARTS, at least not in American English. “I need to run to the MART on the corner.” No. “I’ll pick up some milk at the MART just down the street.” No. “Have you noticed how our neighborhood has tacky MARTS on so many corners now?” No. Both because of the (in my opinion) clunky crossing and the fact that MARTS just shouldn’t be the answer to 37D, that spot is really the only place in the entire grid that I actually winced - big time.
A few places were easy, some were very hard, but overall I agree that this was Saturday territory. Other than DEBUSSY and DROVE ME NUTS, the diagonal from NE down through the SW corner nearly ended me. Perseverance, friends!
Hasta mañana!
Took me a cool 1:28:53, but I finally got my first clean Saturday. Had to really look over that HAINES/DARNER cross with my one good PEEPER. Thinking I’lll spend the rest of the day outside flying a kite.
Loved the two kites and tails - thanks for pointing those out
Nice puzzle, no googling!
NOT impressed. Yuck. Next!
A proper Saturday challenge. I agree with Rex as I do not agree with the cluing for 1D. Using crisp as a verb is borderline. Better would be to use CRISPEr (Drawer in a refrigerator) and have it cross with OWEr (One who’s in the hole).
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