Relative difficulty: Medium-Challenging (Challenging for me, but I made some ridiculous, sleepy decisions)
Word of the Day: SALT Treaty (23D: SALT, but not PEPPER = NUCLEAR PACT) —
The Strategic Arms Limitation Talks (SALT) were two rounds of bilateral conferences and corresponding international treaties involving the United States and the Soviet Union. The Cold War superpowers dealt with arms control in two rounds of talks and agreements: SALT I and SALT II.Negotiations commenced in Helsinki, in November 1969. SALT I led to the Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty and an interim agreement between the two countries.
Although SALT II resulted in an agreement in 1979 in Vienna, the US Senate chose not to ratify the treaty in response to the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, which took place later that year. The Supreme Soviet did not ratify it either. The agreement expired on December 31, 1985, and was not renewed, although both sides continued to respect it.
The talks led to the STARTs, or Strategic Arms Reduction Treaties, which consisted of START I, a 1991 completed agreement between the United States and the Soviet Union, and START II, a 1993 agreement between the United States and Russia which never entered into effect, both of which proposed limits on multiple-warhead capacities and other restrictions on each side's number of nuclear weapons. A successor to START I, New START, was proposed and was eventually ratified in February 2011. (wikipedia)
Help!:
- 1D: X follower, perhaps (BOT) — of all the things "X" can be, one of those things is a decaying social media site where, famously, many users are actually BOTs. This clue took me a while to understand, even after I got it, so if you didn't get it right away, you're in good company. Well, you're in my company, at any rate.
- 19A: No longer waffle (OPT) — even something as simple as this was actually tough in its ambiguity. I ended up in an unexpected kealoa* situation—ACT worked just as well. Better, I thought. "ACT now!" "It's time to ACT!" Replace either of those with OPT and you sound absurd.
- 28A: Lines in bars (URLS) — after the "X" ambiguity and the OPT/ACT ambiguity, we get even more ambiguity here. What kind of "bars?" What kind of "lines?" Who can say. I had UPCS in here for a bit.
- 23A: À la king? (NOBLY) — more ambiguity. I was trying to decide between REGAL and ROYAL. The phrase "À la king" is used adjectivally on menus ... it's technically a prepositional phrase. Did not see adverb coming. Also didn't see generic "noble" coming with specific "king" in clue.
- 38A: Stake (FUND) — grimace-y face, I am making one. Is this a noun or verb situation? I guess this is def. 3c of "Stake" ("an interest or share in an undertaking or enterprise"), but I'm not certain who these two words swap out for one another.
- 47A: "And the ___ raths outgrabe" ("Jabberwocky" line) (MOME) — words can't express how much I resent having to know the non-words from this damn poem. After "slithy TOVES," I got nothing. There's gotta be a way to get MOME out of this grid.
- 58A: What some people display after getting stuck? (TATS) — an awkward, ungainly clue, the awkwardness and ungainliness undermining its intended humor. I had T-TS here and ... yeah ... I thought exactly what you're thinking ... I was like "wow, I guess that's one way to get help."
- 5D: Like a noisy toy (YAPPY) — only just now realizing the "toy" is a type of dog and not an actual child's plaything. Brutal clue (I think I wanted AROAR at one point (???)).
- 10D: Bed hogs, at times (WEEDS) — more brutality. Very Saturday, this one.
- 27D: Japanese food that's a good source of what it spells backward (NORI) — one of my few successes today. Got this with no crosses, and got it early on, so it really helped.
- 35A: Pen for a hit (E-CIG) — I couldn't make any grammatical sense of this clue. So it's a vape "pen" that you take a "hit" from? The world of vaping is terra incognita to me. I smoked actual cigarettes for two years in my youth and then stopped and that is not entirely but pretty much my entire experience of smoking.
[Thanks, Jack] |
Little Kiddle says "there's nothing 'Holiday' about this picture, you're not really going to sen- ... oh, you are? Huh, OK." You'r'e very pretty, LK. Maybe next year you'll get a little red bow or something.
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Penny here could kinda pass for a flying reindeer, so ... sure, it's a 'Holiday' pic, whatever
[Thanks, Anne] |
[Thanks, Amy] |
Foxglove would prefer not to
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Fantastic puzzle Lewis! Just tough enough for a proper Saturday challenge but comfortable to work through. I agree with the big guy - the crossing center spanners were wonderful - and my foothold into the entire grid. From there each of the giant corners had one gimme - for me OPERA HOUSE, COLLEGE GRAD and ORION NEBULA were all I needed.
ReplyDeleteWADE In Your Water
Not sure TITO PUENTE works or not - his music was prominent in The Mambo Kings but Prez Prado is the king. Easily inferable so that helped. The NORI clue is outstanding and should make Lewis’ favorite list. Limited glue in this grid - loved to see POOH, MOME and PBS. Don’t really know ALMA as a composer but have read about her various hijinks.
The SILOs
Highly enjoyable Saturday morning solve. Back to back with yesterday may be the best of the year. Lester Ruff’s Stumper gives us another nice challenge today with a totally wacky grid architecture. Highly recommended.
Silent Night All Day Long
Totally agree. I confidently put in Perez Prado and hung onto it for wayy too long.
DeleteYes…Perez Prada and Xavier Cugat, both before Tito Puente.
DeleteSun Volt and Anonymous
DeleteThe concept of knowing too much applies to Perez Prada v. Tito Puente You both know a lot about this area of music ( and Sun. Volt comes up with links every day ).
I know of the late Tito Puente from reading about him in the Times Arts section (and the obit) and doing the Times puzzles where all or part of his name is not a rare answer. Many solvers know the name that way.
Perez Prada I did not remember at all though when the record and the movie were discussed I am sure I saw the name.
So I saw the clue and put in Tito immediately.
I actually thought the NW was very easy,, unlike the rest of the puzzle.
ReplyDeleteChallenging for me. Talk about your "ridiculous, sleepy decisions"
My 1D "X follower" was rho, my 2D "-gram lead-in" was ana, my 3D losing athlete was a mav, my 4D "run off at the mouth" was Delta and I had @Son Volt perez prado for the17A mambo king ( it fit).
Then I ran into the 18A Mahler clue and tried to figure out how to fit "Gustav" into four squares. A Saturday rebus? It took some time to remember Tom Lehrer song.
The lower half gave much less resistance and was close to a normal Saturday difficulty. I had most of the same overwrites as @Rex.
Tom Lehrer has put all of his songs in the public domain, and they are available for download here: https://tomlehrersongs.com/. This website is up today but may be taken down in the near future.
DeleteConrad. I also made the connection when I thought of the song
DeleteAnonymous 11:27 am
Thanks for the link
I first heard that Lehrer song when it came out.( I was a teenager). That was probably the first time I heard the three famous husbands’ names
The song is a bit sexist but I can’t help laughing every time I hear it.
At least Lehrer mentioned her intelligence.
On the Medium side of Easy-Medium. Enjoyed BENDY STRAW, BLOW A GASKET, and IT CAN'T HURT.
ReplyDeleteLike Rex, I thought 23D was either REGAL or ROYAL and 5D was one of those crosswordese-y "A" words. I got that "toy" = dog but YAPPY took a looong time to see.
I got APA and figured that would be something like American Psychological Association given the clue, and I thought the "APA style guide" APA was a different org. but they're one and the same.
Some of the misdirections didn't quite work for me. "Stuck" = pierced with a needle? I kind of ee how "shifty" can describe BENDY STRAWs specifically, but the STRAW isn't really the one doing the sucking. I think the majority of STRAW clues with a "sucking" misdirection don't refer to the straw itself as the "sucker".
Can anyone explain what that MARTHA clue is even about? I wanted MERLOT from the M, then I got WADED.
Martha’s Vineyard, an island in Massachusetts
DeleteMartha's vineyard, an island off Cape Cod
DeleteI found this an easier Saturday and was surprised to see Rex label it challenging - but that’s a testament to how much puzzles either land or don’t land in one’s wheelhouse. This one landed: Jhené Aiko, Tito Puente, Rooney Mara, Reba - all comfortable, as are most of the words to Jabberwocky and - like I said, it fell in my wheelhouse.
ReplyDeleteI found it well constructed too, with clever-but-fair misdirections and no outright clunkers. I agree that Perez Prado was the mambo king - Tito Puente was “El Rey del Timbál” - but that’s not too egregious. All told, a pleasant solve.
Nice grid-spanning cross with RUN INTERFERENCE and LOWER FORTYEIGHT.
ReplyDeleteI’m actually a little surprised that the NYT doesn’t have more Jabberwocky quotes - that would seem like a natural fit since they are so gibberish-friendly.
A little something for everyone in this grid, from Opera to the Mamba, along with authors, musicians and even Julia Child and BENDY STRAWs. Very much Saturday-level difficulty. This one should tide over the tired, poor, huddled masses until tomorrow.
One thing I never expect or want to see in NYT puzzles is gibberish.
DeleteHey anonymous, Johnny thinks foreign words and names of rappers are gibberish.
DeleteI think ETD is a "track stat" in the sense of "estimated time of delivery" when tracking the shipping of a package online.
ReplyDeleteI actually read this as train track, like when you are at a train station and there will be an ETD, estimated time of departure, for the train on a particular track.
DeleteToughest puzzle in a while, but mostly fair. Good work, Lewis.
ReplyDeleteDNF because of left side. LOWERFORTYEIGHT as a geographic reference is misleading, because Hawaii is farther south than all of them. Either "Lower forty-nine" (geographically) or "First forty-eight" (historically) would be accurate. I wanted "continental---" but USA didn't fit.
ReplyDeleteThe “lower forty eight” is how Alaskans often refer to the continental US.
DeleteHawai’i was the 50th state, so at the time of Alaska’s entrance into the Union, the others would be the “lower 48,” is the reason for this term, I think. Just inferring…
DeleteBob Mills.
DeleteThis is about a crossword puzzle which uses words and expressions that people say.
It is not science terminology.
Lower forty eight is (was ?) a very common expression meaning the same thing as continental US. Lower forty-nine just never became a thing.
Nothing wrong with the answer.
Lines in bars — the bars here are address bars in browsers, which contain URLs. Calling a URL a “line” might be a little flimsy but not overly so.
ReplyDeleteI also found this to be challenging but fair. Great puzzle!
ReplyDeleteFound this one to be medium - from a difficulty scale 10 or 15 years ago. More than twice as long to complete as Friday's Had as much trouble with this as with the one Lewis had in the LAT a few weeks ago.
ReplyDeleteThere were things unknown to me, answers that I couldn't figure out as clued, and my mistakes. For 51A, had B_N___TREE and decided it was Banyan. Too much "Aja."
Thanks for the workout, Barbara Lin and Lewis Rothlein.
Very easy Saturday, although some of that may have resulted from specific knowledge e.g. TITO PUENTE, Mount LOGAN.
ReplyDeleteOnly three erasures today, following yesterday's zero. That is very, very atypical for a Fri-Sat. Although after putting in OPERA HOUSE I did briefly consider 'bArkY' where YAPPY goes. I'm happy I did not put that in, and even happier that it was not the right answer.
DEEPSEAbED (as in the ocean floor) got me RUb, which when taken as “That’s the rub” kinda worked for a bad place to be stuck (or at least enough to convince me that maybeeeeee…). Tough puzzle for sure but a fun fight.
ReplyDeleteI wanted ANTS IN PANTS for 28 across. Several of these should make the best clues/answers of the week list. Lewis, I’ve been reading your comments here and elsewhere for sometime and really appreciate you now. I came back to this one several before finally finishing. It was a great Saturday experience. Thanks.
DeleteBarbara and I took our time with this one. It turns out we have that in common, especially with the cluing. We let the cluing marinate. Barbara is remarkably sharp, astute, and witty. Our goal was to create a Saturday-worthy puzzle, that is, one that in a pleasurable way, activates the minds of experienced solvers.
ReplyDeleteGrateful for all the feedback, which helps me hone my craft. And grateful to this commenting community (and OFL) – a treasured hangout. Thank you all!
Truly a worthy Saturday puzzle, Lewis. Congrats to you and to Barbara. Like OFL, I was stumped with that 1A clue, switched to the short downs with little luck, and not until the end of my solve did I finally work my way back up to the NW, only to find the two longs that were totally in my wheelhouse: opera and mambo! A real treat, crunchy and satisfying!
DeleteIt was a perfect puzzle from my point of view. The satisfying kind I could solve, but only by persisting through many moments of feeling dead in the water.
DeleteI remember you used to write with relish about this kind of solving experience. I appreciated those posts, and I empathize with the positivity that you’ve embraced. But remember “if everyone is super, than no one is!”
Kudos to you, Lewis. I think your perpetual good nature is probably due to your ability to be able to construct puzzles like this. Well done you.
Delete@Lewis, the time and effort that you and Barbara took in the construction of this gem clearly shines through. As I mentioned in my write up, this had everything! If there was a dictionary entry for “Saturday worthy New York Times Crossword Puzzles”, today’s is what should show up. Thank you again for the journey !
DeleteLoved it! I got stuck twice...put it down for a half-hour, resumed with a fresh cup of coffee, and saw things I couldn't see previously. I.I.N.O.
DeleteIn ink no overwrites.
Lewis! As a young solver, I am not accustomed to anything this difficult and cunning. Holy cow! It was a DNF for me (which happens sometimes). But I appreciate your constant positivity of this site! I came here to see what I’d missed, and I cannot fathom the depth of thought that went into creating this puzzle. Truly stunning work, thank you for taking the time to construct!
DeleteThank you both for this delightful Saturday puzzle. 💗
DeleteGreat puzzle, Lewis! Like you (and unlike many here), I love to focus on the joy of solving. If you have a moment, please enjoy my solve at https://youtu.be/9VATf7bXDwg. I'd love for you to leave a message and tell me what you think!
DeleteThis was a lovely puzzle, with exactly the right amount of difficulty for a Saturday. I always enjoy your thoughtful comments in this forum, but I enjoy your puzzles even more. Please keep them coming Lewis.
DeleteI thought this was a fantastic puzzle! I kept wandering away from it to manage housekeeping tasks, and every time I came back to it, I found some new delight had gelled in my brain and I could drop in yet another clever answer. Congratulations to you on such a wonderful creation, but MORESO congratulations to all of us who have received this gift of a puzzle!
DeleteHad BOX in 1D and XITOPUENTE seemed just as likely as any other random trivial name I have never heard of. I've also never heard of XBOT, whatever that is. I finished filling in the puzzle and then spent forever searching for my error before giving up and revealing. ALMA? AIKO? ANGIE? TITO? MOME? MARA? UGH! All make for a very painful and not fun slog.
ReplyDeleteRe eliminating MOME: change to MOVE, crossed with REVOTE. Voila!
ReplyDeleteETD is not a stat....had BRO fior BRR...oops
ReplyDeleteAbout STATistics
DeleteObviously a misdirection. Thought it was close enough for crosswords. Crosswords clues are hints not definitions.
dnf b/c I had a CtO crossing an ORtONCLOUD
ReplyDeleteA QR code typically has a line through the middle with the URL. Horrible clue.
ReplyDeleteIf you look at the dates PBS did not exist at start of the French Chef. It was on NET.
ReplyDeleteAnonymous 8:47 AM
DeleteLook at the wording. The clue did not say that the French Chef debuted on PBS it might have been the first show PBS acquired.
Anonymous at 8:06a was from me. Forgot to change that.
ReplyDeleteHey All !
ReplyDeleteTough puz that I managed sussing everything out and completing. Timer says 42:00, which is neat that it's exact with no seconds, and amazing, as I was stuck pretty much in every section. "Finished" with BOx/xITOPUENTE. Got the Almost There! message, so I decided to look up Mr. PUENTE to see he is a TITO, not a xITO. No idea what XBOT is, but XBOX is a misdirection that felt (for lack of a better description) cheesy. Sorry, @Lewis! But you could've clued BOT a million ways without the ambiguitiness. (Is that a word?) Maybe - It responds automatically - or some such.
I'm not one to talk, however, as @Lewis has many puzs in many different venues, whereas I have none. I'm a little jealous! (OK, a lot jealous!) But that X clue still irks. 😁
Otherwise than my one nit, puz was good. I liked all the other misdirection/clever clues in here. BENDY STRAW got a smile, as it's neat to see the words, and fun to think of, as haven't seen one in a while. COLLEGE GRAD also a fun clue TATS and others I'm sure also.
So a good SatPuz that got the ole brain working. Gotta keep the cells that are left active!
Congrats @Lewis on yet another puz published. Did I mention some jealousy? 😂
Happy Saturday!
Two F's
RooMonster
DarrinV
Just could not get a toehold. And I was unfamiliar with most of the names. So challenging to hard for me.
ReplyDeleteDeep seabed. No way that can't right. Only it wasn't.
ReplyDeleteThank you for including our Foxglove and Maggie, whom we miss very much!
ReplyDeletePuzzle was a fun one this morning, right up until I hit a hard stop in the SE corner. I had WRITS instead of WRITE for a long time, so DEEP SEATED wasn't coming to me and my brain simply would not make sense of BONSAI TREE. Some really good cluing in there, especially in the NW corner. Really enjoyed this one and squeaked in under my average Saturday time by 3 seconds!
Thank you for including our Foxglove and Maggie, whom we miss very much!
ReplyDeletePuzzle was a fun one this morning, right up until I hit a hard stop in the SE corner. I had WRITS instead of WRITE for a long time, so DEEP SEATED wasn't coming to me and my brain simply would not make sense of BONSAI TREE. Some really good cluing in there, especially in the NW corner. Really enjoyed this one and squeaked in under my average Saturday time by 3 seconds!
Great puzzle Barbara and Lewis. Wish I could conjure up great images and words to describe this puzzle, as Lewis does daily for us! Took me back to Saturdays of old, when DNF was a real possibility. Completely opposite to yesterday's speed solve, though both totally enjoyable.
ReplyDeleteWhich brings me to a Christmas wish: what if NYT just published high quality puzzles everyday without regard to the day of the week? The solver would begin with no idea how tough the solve would be , and that would be part of the fun.Sunday could still be an outlier. Just a thought for the future when GenZ rules the world, or what's left of it...
Anyway, agree with Rex that it was hard to get traction in multiple areas. Had to jump around and chip away at it, until the puzzle gave in and I got a "whoosh" finish
Ready for the shopping wars!
A perfect Saturday puzzle, Lewis and Barbara! What Rex calls brutal, I call brilliant and I loved the variety and good old tough, on-the-verge-of-being-stuck, but then worming my way through. A couple of times, I was going to reach for google, but something clicked in my brain (instead of on the keyboard) each time. I knew from your LAT puzzle recently that you were tough but fair, so had the confidence to plow through, and oh, what a reward! You are the master of the faith solve as a solver and constructor!
ReplyDeleteI had BaNyan as my tree, and wondered how that could be called “little”; loved this clue.
Two musical gimmes in the OPERAHOUSE and TITOPUENTE gave me some false confidence to start out.
Congratulations, again!
Didn't quite BLOWAGASKET but definitely found this one challenging. Lewis, I don't think POOH said that in Milne's book; it's very much not like his humble being, and he doesn't speak in rhyme unless it's a poem. So it must be from the Disney version. It makes me sad that that's all people know these days.
ReplyDeleteI *knew* 41A had to be REBA but I had onMuTE for 41D and took way too long to let it go!
We saw the little shade from the BONSAI TREEs at Longwood Gardens a few weeks ago. They are lovely, but unlike other such displays they do not give the artists' names, which is a serious omission.
I sound crabby! But the puzzle was wonderful overall. Very impressed with the two longs crossing in the center. And, to the anon who objected, LOWER FORTYEIGHT is very much a thing.
Happy Saturday and thanks, Lewis!
@Smith - you are correct it is not in any of the books. It is from the Winnie the Pooh and the Honey Tree (1966), which is Disney. Random fact: A six year old Clint Howard provided the voice for Roo.
Delete@Smith -- A.A. Milne's verse was droll and delightful, never on-the-nose clunky like "short, fat and proud of that" (ugh! ick! yuck!!) -- so that while I remember his books of verse far, far better than I remember the Pooh books, I never thought of POOH as the answer to 16A until I was forced to write it in. Thanks for straightening out why it seemed so unrecognizable.
DeleteChallenging for me also, but I pecked away at it (slowly, not à la woodpecker) with the short fill & Wheel of Fortuned the longer entries. Crosswordese MYNA, PEKE, REBA, MARA certainly helped. "One who's made it to some degree?" Do I send the angry email to Lewis or Barbara? (Just kidding... I'm a glutton for pun-ishment, so that was my favorite clue. 🙃)
ReplyDeleteGood saves on those non-Holiday Pet Pics with the captions. Also: d'aww....
What a beautiful puzzle! With so many clever clues -- bed hogs for WEEDS was one of my favorites. (I had nEEDy at first.) And "Like a noisy toy"--I had to get the answer before I got it that the toy in question was a miniature dog. Thee long answers were perfectly colloquial, and fun to get.
ReplyDeleteLewis had written to alert his fans to the puzzle, and warned that it was hard. Indeed. Knowing that, I gave my self permission to look up Jhene AIKO, which would have been tough (since nEEDy was blocking ANTSINESS, I didn't have the A from crosses). I'm old enough to remember TITO PUENTE, but not enough of a mambo fan to be sure, so I looked him up for confirmation after putting him in.
My only slight quibble is that we don't really need to be told that "And the ____ raths outgrabe" is a line from Jabberwocky.
Congratulations, Barbara and Lewis, for a splendid puzzle!
Fun puzzle! Fyi, browser address bars contain URLs
ReplyDeleteI found this a solid, hard puzzle, but overall fair and fun.
ReplyDeleteI was defeated by one square: for a tech company, a Chief Technical Officer is standard (CtO--though now I'm wondering whether tech=T would disallow that?) and it never occurred to me to revisit that middle square, because ORtON NEBULA seemed as plausible as any other name.
I very confidently threw down Perez Prado as like my first answer, and admit it threw me a bit to find it wrong. But to be fair, there's only one "King of the Mambo" and it totally is Perez Prado and not TITOPUENTE. Sorry Barbara, Lewis, and Joel.
ReplyDeleteMOME raths outgrabe - my first entry. Having memorized Jabberwocky and the Greek alphabet at a young age has paid off more than once though outside of crosswords, neither is all that useful except for an annoying parlor trick.
ReplyDeleteSo proud of myself for seeing WEEDS off the D of IUDS and then immediately questioning if 9D should be matUre, so I crossed WEEDS out only to re-enter it later. That clue and the cute clue for BONSAI TREE were my favorite ahas today.
I see Lewis' hand in the clues for ERE and NORI. "Form letters?" for WRITE is great (I had the W in place so I wasn't baffled in the least.) And the clue for COLLEGE GRAD was easily parsed but still very clever.
Barbara and Lewis, thanks for the just-crunchy-enough Saturday puzzle!
Had momentary hope that "Noisy Asian bird" was a fresh maybe-a-bit-too-edgy clue for ONO.
ReplyDeleteLOL!
DeleteI spent a long time trying to remember where on earth (and in A. A. Milne) Winnie the Pooh ever said, “I am short, fat, and proud of that.”
ReplyDeleteA little searching revealed that it’s the Disney Pooh who said it. I think a qualification on the clue is in order: “[Disney] character who said . . .”
@Conrad, thanks for posting that link--I own that Tom Lehrer CD, but somewhere along the line it stopped being readable. I think the song is what first got me interested in ALMA Mahler, but I didn't know she was a composer -- so when Gustav wouldn't fit, I looked her up. Wikipedia describes her as "composer, author, editor, and socialite." Talented woman! I also learned that there was a younger ALMA Mahler, her daughter with Gustav, a sculptor, who married 5 times, 2 more than her mother.
ReplyDeleteI guess there are two kinds of people in this world, those who have memorized the words to "Jabberwocky," and those who don't want to think of it. Lewis Carroll, who was a methodical man, wrote an essay someplace where he explained the meaning and derivations of each of the seemingly nonsense words in the poem.
"X follower" of course had to be MAS, which I wrote right in. Actually, no I didn't , and didn't even think of until I started commenting. My first answer was a tentative TITOPUENTE, which fit, and off I went from there. This was another example of a puzz that looked impossible but started flowing and didn't stop, and that's always a joy.
ReplyDeleteFinally finished by realizing that the "code" was a law which led to the ECIG crossing the PRTEAM, which I should have remembered sooner from PRSTUNT, which we just saw. Didn't though.
Today I met MARA (who should be a NYG owner) and AIKO and ANGIE, who should be a Dickinson. Found out about Mt. LOGAN. Nice to learn things.
I have actually been to a performance of a zarzuela in the Teatro Real, but my Spanish at the time was insufficient to the task of understanding most of it. "Zarzuela" is a fun word to say if you use the Castilian pronunciation and say the z's like a th, something else I had to learn in Spain.
Just a great Saturday, BL and LR. This will go into my memory bank of Best-Loved and Long-Remembered Saturdays, and thanks for all the fun.
Rooney Mara's mother's family founded the Pittsburgh Steelers and her father's family founded the New York Giants.
DeleteWow, what a puzzle! Good one, tricky clues. Took forever to get any foothold but enjoyed each answer as I figured it out. But just to give one example of my confusion along the way, initially thought SALT referred to an international pact, but somehow got the initials NaCL up front instead of NUCL, and spent an inordinate amount of time trying to think of words referring to the condiment.
ReplyDelete¿No puede hacer daño? Sí, claro que puede.
ReplyDeleteProperly tough Saturday with four difficult corners. Definitely not on my wavelength and beyond my ability, but I kept at it. It really bugs me when we refer to one of the most important people in history as CLEO. I'm a - PATRA activist.
❤️ BENDY STRAW. Jabberwocky.
😫 [C.D., e.g.: Abbr.] ANTSINESS. [Blue laws]. ERE.
Propers: 10 (aw, c'mon)
Places: 2
Products: 3
Partials: 8
Foreignisms: 1
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Gary's Grid Gunk Gauge: 24 of 70 (34%)
Funnyisms: 4 🙂
Uniclues:
1 When the fat fuzzy one sings.
2 Pictures of La-Z-Boys on your arse.
3 Terminator with a sense of humor.
4 Chihuahua appreciation society.
5 Wise wah-wah wonk.
6 Apply for a job. Hear nothing. Repeat.
1 OPERA HOUSE POOH
2 DEEP-SEATED TATS (~)
3 NUCLEAR PACT BOT (~)
4 YAPPY PR TEAM
5 ASTUTE TUBA SAP
6 COLLEGE GRAD RUT
My Fascinating Crossword Uniclue Keepsake from Last Year: Law-enforcement-themed footwear for Los Angeles-based drag queens in 2010. LGBT FBI UGGS.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Just great, Lewis!! What a wonderful themeless puzzle on every level!!! I always know with a Lewis puzzle that the cluing will be devious, challenging, and highly original. There were a lot of initial puzzlements leading to "Aha"s here: most notably WEEDS, which gave me fits when I'd wanted spouses or pets for the bed hogs. But also DROOLS, BRR, NOBLY, and the trickiest clue for TATS I've yet seen.
ReplyDeleteThe grid is gorgeous too. Lots of interesting long answers, smoothly assembled with almost no glue. Very few names. No crosswordese except for TATS -- and when you clue it that beautifully, who cares?
If I've singled out Lewis, Barbara, it's only because I've known him for a long time, even collaborated with him, but I think he's got himself a dandy collaborator in you and that you two should create more puzzles together in the future. A terrific, just-about-flawless Saturday that I thoroughly enjoyed.
What a joy to awaken to a snow-covered paradise (it's still Jersey, but pretty), and this great puzzle -- thank you Barbara and Lewis -- and this great blog and commentariat. Thanks for the Tom Lehrer reminder Conrad -- it was my memory of that song that gave me ALMA. Great clips today too RP, esp for AIKO.
ReplyDeleteMy favorite answer was IT CAN"T HURT.
A bad old joke which I may be misremembering has an actor collapsing onstage and everyone is at a loss at what to do and a little old Jewish man from the balcony keeps yelling -- "Give him an enema." Finally, a doctor comes up from the audience, attends to the poor man, and turns to the balcony and explains that an enema is not what he needs right now. And the little old man yells back: "It vouldn't hurt."
Oh POOH
ReplyDelete@JBERG wrote my responses in both entries already, so hands up for me too
Great fun B & L💎
*pushes glasses up nose* Ackshually the Orion Nebula is not the nearest star forming region, not even close. The Taurus Molecular Cloud, rho Ophiuchus, and Perseus are all closer, and there's probably others. At best you could argue that Orion is the closest region where stars more massive than the sun are forming.
ReplyDeleteCame here to complain about all the in-factualities.. Cleopatra was not the *last* ruler, Orion nebula is the most popular not the *closest*, CIO is a finance officer not tech, and on and on..
DeleteI have to agree with both Anon@10:51 and Cakes.
DeleteThe Orion Nebula is the nearest region where massive stars are formed, but there are regions of low-mass star formation that are closer.
And Ptolemy XV Caesar, aka "Caesarion", eldest son of Cleopatra VII by Julius Caesar, and co-ruler with his mother, outlived her by about 2 1/2 weeks (until he was captured and executed by Octavian), making him the last Ptolemaic ruler of Egypt.
Cakes
DeleteI may be wrong but after her suicide Egypt became a colony of Rome. In practice, whoever followed as “ruler “ would not really be one, but more like a local governor, like King Herod of the. New Testament.
@Cakes. CIO is Chief Information Officer. CFO is Chief Financial Officer. It's unbecoming to bellyache about "in-factualities" while spouting same.
Delete@Rex "words can't express how much I resent having to know the non-words from this damn poem" - of course you don't have to. But it's such a pity you can't love it. I'd hazard a guess you hate The Hunting of The Snark with it's eight long fits even more... I wish you a merry Christmas and never to find your Snark turns out to be a Boojum.
ReplyDeleteNot so much the preponderance of PPP but the locations of same acting as blockers at strategic points was what got the Challenging rating from me today. One of those puzzles where I had the devil of a time expanding the toe-holds. AIKO was a major impasse, as was MARA/MARTHA, which I want to say was a half-Natick, because I don't know from this Rooney person and I was So Sure 13D ("Lands") ended in HOME, preventing me from seeing ASHORE (MAMA Rooney? Maybe?).
ReplyDeleteStill, I'd rate it as a Dinsdale Piranha Puzzle, "Cruel but fair," with the single exception of that exceedingly misleading "?" in 45D. The answer WRITE precisely *is* a synonym for "Form letters" and calls for no "?" at all, so putting one there is a really devious, if not to say underhanded bit of misdirection.
Altogether a worthy Saturday, if you like 'em a bit tough, and I do. More like this.
Dr BB
DeleteForm is (was?)almost always used as an adjective before letters, as I a business sending a form letter.
The question mark tells you it’s a misdirection , suggesting maybe a verb. It helped me get the answer
Is this an age thing because form letters are no longer used?
But for older solvers at least the? mark made it easier.
This puzzle took some effort but with plenty of humor and rewards along the way it was a great pleasure. Smiled at BENDY STRAW, BONSAI TREE, BLOW A GASKET, COLLEGE GRAD, WEEDS - and YAPPY too - once I got the dog connection. According to the app it took me 43 minutes, and I'm delighted when a puzzle isn’t over too fast or on the other hand so full of unhelpfully crossed PPP I can’t find a way through.This one hit my sweet spot. Thanks Lewis and Barbara!
ReplyDeleteI figured Teatro Madrid was a performance space. Seriously considered the possibility that it was a converted whore house. Saved by the A in YAPPY.
ReplyDeleteVery challenging for me today (hey, it’s a Saturday) but well worth all the hard work. I smiled broadly at each and every long down and across as they (finally) fell. Funny how my brain works, sometimes I see a clue whose answer spans the grid, I may have just two or three letters but feel pretty good about it so I throw all caution to the wind and quickly fill it in before I lose my nerve. There are other instances when I’m in the exact same situation and the brain says, “hold off a minute, you better get some crosses first.” Today was more of the latter, if I’d only had the guts to plunge in and let OPERA HOUSE fall, I would have had a somewhat smoother solve. The crosses there were tricky for me but all fair and interesting. I had SALIVA before DROOLS for just a bit which is one reason I couldn’t let OPERA HOUSE fall right away.
ReplyDeleteLOVED the clue for NORI (did anyone else accidentally write in IRON?? 🙂 that tripped me up for a bit but it was fun when I realized what I did) and again, enjoyed both the journey and feeling of accomplishment for all the long ones. What else can you ask for in a Saturday??!!
@Lewis- thanks for the great ride! This one had everything!
Hugh
DeleteI made the same mistake! Put in iron first. A d’oh moment when I realized my error.
Tough one! I had to look up a few things. I had “_OGAN” and still could not get it from the cross. Which is kind of sad now that i see how easy it should have been to get SILOED. And the singer AIKO, ANGIE Thomas (which I really should have known) and i think that was it. Took some time but I got it eventually.
ReplyDeleteI’m hung up on the clue for SAP. Very few woodpeckers eat sap. Included would be the yellow bellied sapsucker, of course. All others, not so much.
ReplyDeleteI balked at that too. I thought they are pecking the wood to get insects, grubs, worms and the like, not
Deletesap. I asked Cousin Google and saw that often in springtime they depend primarily on SAP to tide them over until the more preferred grub (heh-heh) comes along later in the year.
@Lewis, thank you and Barbara Lin for this wonderful Saturday treat! Medium for me and fun to solve all the way, whether it was writing in an instant BLOW A GASKET or struggling to get something - anything - solid in the NE. I loved the clues, both those that gave me that "moment of triumph" thrill at getting them right away (YAPPY, TATS) and those that flummoxed me for a very long time (ECIG, ENACTS). Your long answers are all so good! What a grid of delights!
ReplyDeleteFirst in: OPERA HOUSE. Last in: PR TEAM. Do-over: me, too, for AnnA, though I used to know it was ALMA. Help from previous puzzles: TiTO PUENTE. Help from Mozart's Requiem: TUBA. No idea: AIKO, NO BID.
Bonus bird sighting in the puzzle. Look at AUKS backward to see a SKUA..
ReplyDeleteMr. Koppel became an avid scuba diver after retiring from ABC News. So much so that they now call him DEEPSEATED.
ReplyDeleteThere was once a couple of six-legged creatures who completely ignored the 10 commandments. One was an ant sinner, the other was an ANTSINESS.
What did the guy say who wanted a lot of body art ASAP? TATS stat!
Wonderful puzzle. Thanks @Lewis and Barbara Lin.
Thank you Lewis & Barbara for this very challenging & rewarding Saturday puzzle. I was going to give up many times, but glad I didn't :)
ReplyDeleteI struggled mightily with this one. Recently I thought to myself, “Hey, you’re getting a lot better at this!” I’ve been able to suss them out the night before, not having to refer to Rex’s answers. This one wiped me out. The one clue I should have gotten but didn’t was 27D, because it’s my kitty Nori. I felt like a bad cat mother.
ReplyDeleteThis was a little north of medium for me. The NW was easy and the vertical grid spanner dropped right in. The rest of the solve was where the going got tough. Even though I had dropped in SILOED I was solving on my phone last night and it somehow got turned into SILD__ without my noticing until much later. Also I had an UNBID/NOBID write over that delayed the otherwise obvious REAGANERA.
ReplyDeleteThere was a quintet of unknowns (ALMA, LOGAN, AIKO, ANGIE and MOME) that contributed to the resistance.
@Lewis, congrats to you and your collaborator on an excellent Saturday and thank you for all the hard work. The percentage of debuts was impressive.
Puzzlehoarder
DeleteI agree about the NW. Very easy for me. On the other hand, the rest was very hard, although I did know Alma.
Medium. The wide open grid was kinda intimidating until I read the Mambo clue (Hi @Rex) and then I was off to a typical Saturday solve.
ReplyDeleteI did not know ALMA, LOGAN, AIKO, and MOME.
Costly erasures: UpcS before URLS and BRo before BRR. I also tried SEedED before SEATED.
Solid Saturday with the right amount of crunch, liked it. Nicely done Barbara and Lewis!
Just checking in to say wonderful Saturday puzzle Lewis and Barbara Lin! Perfecto!
ReplyDeleteKinda easy-ish, at our house -- at least as most SatPuzs go.
ReplyDelete70-worder, with 199 white squares. Pretty wide-open puzgrid. Liked.
staff weeject picks: APA, ERE, & SOS. Palindromer mini-theme.
some fave stuff: RUNINTERFERENCE. BONSAITREE. COLLEGEGRAD & clue. BLOWAGASKET. ORIONNEBULA. WRITE clue. NOBLY clue. NORI clue.
no-knows: BENDYSTRAW [inferable, tho]. ALMA. LOGAN [but neat to learn of]. ANGIE. MARA. MOME. AIKO. NORI [before bein reversed].
As usual, most of my no-knows were names.
Thanx for gangin up on us, Ms. Lin darlin & Mr. @Lewis dude. Nice job.
Masked & Anonym007Us
and then, a small biter ...
"Happy Hoppy Days" - 7x7 12 min. themed runt puzzle:
**gruntz**
M&A
What Rex said. After several easy days, this was a kick in the pants with some real cruel clues. I actually had to walk away for a while and come back for a second try, but forgot to reset the timer so I only know it was significantly longer than 23 minutes. 40 minutes at least!
ReplyDeleteOne particularly bad area was the upper right, where I had these 3 downs for 12, 13, 14: GRADSTUDENT, TOUCHESDOWN, ITSNOTSOBAD with the acrosses not helping much because of the tough clues. If only I could remember Mount LOGAN!... all I could think of was Mount St. ELIAS without the "St." part.
Other typeovers: REGAL then ROYAL then NOBLE before NOBLY, VAPE before ECIG, "X follower" was LAX then FAN ("X"=Twitter, where if you're famous your follower would be one) before BOT, FUENTE before PUENTE.
Anyway, thanks for a real challenge Lewis, but maybe just a BIT easier next time?
So glad I started this Friday night so I could put it down and come back to it Saturday morning. Thrilled I was able to finish it on my own. AIKO + PEKE was the last thing I filled in. The NW corner was tough. But once I got WEEDS, then straw came into view. I think my fave moment is getting BONSAI TREE. That gave me a small chuckle of satisfaction.
ReplyDeleteThis was brutal the way I like my Saturdays. Fought my way from top to bottom only to be stymied in the SE for what seemed like forever. Had "we CAN Try iT" instead of IT CANT HURT for a long time, buoyed by the downs that fit perfectly and baffled by the ones that didn't. I don't know why I can never remember the Zoom answer REMOTE because it's so obvious and yet nothing today for the longest time.
ReplyDeleteFinally broke through only to not get the happy music. Eventually found that YAPPe wasn't a word, but couldn't get my brain around YAPPY until I realized NOBLY could work - and yet still no happy music. Ended up with a DNF because I was sure ORtON NEBULA was a thing, because I know CtO had to be correct and ORtON sounded familiar and space-y (Oort cloud - duh). Oh well. Fun puzzle. "Finished" in 44:03
So, Is the underlining edited or do I still have a chance at getting ole blue eyes back from being deep seated? Beyond irritated at this.
ReplyDeleteWow! This sat-puz is def not vibing with me. 37min and all I can put down are 15 guesses. I have nothing else, absolutely zero guesses for any of the remaining clues. Hardest puzzle I've ever tried.
ReplyDeleteGot off to a bad start by confidently, without checking crosses, dropping in REMORA FISH for 1A "Shifty little sucker?". You know, those fish that hitch a ride by using their suction-like mouths to attach themselves to larger fish. They seem to be constantly shifting their position, maybe for food morsels drifting downstream from their host's mouth. And then crosses said "Wrong buffalo breath!".
ReplyDeleteOnly 26 black squares in this wide open grid with lots of space for long entries. I'm always looking at these to see if they needed some letter count inflation to fill their slots. Today was exemplary in not using that ploy to get the job done. Only two caught my eye when ANTSY and COME ASHORE got boosted. All the others were clean as a whistle. Bravo!
I happily join all of y'all in saying this was a beautiful, well-crafted puzzle.
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ReplyDeleteEasiest Saturday ever, for me. Yesterday's was also very easy.
ReplyDeleteI'm always surprised when people don't understand that STAKE can mean "fund". "I'll stake you for the poker game you're going to play later" means: "I'll give you money to play in that game." I guess it's not used outside of poker? It just always seemed to me an obvious definition of "stake", but I guess it's not well known.
ReplyDeletePeople know that meaning of “stake,” but you’d never say “fund” there. It’s a stretch.
DeleteI "shotgunned" this puzzle a random scan of all the clues and filled in the easy ones, then just built on after that...
ReplyDeleteMedium/extra medium rating from me
Good job Barbara and Lewis
A link to Tom Lehrer's hilarious ditty about ALMA Mahler appears on Wordplay, and I reproduce it for your pleasure and enjoyment here.
ReplyDelete@Nancy
DeleteToo late. See @Conrad's 6:42 AM post.
Things went pretty smoothly around the outsides but then got brutalized in the centre-west. I had EIGHT staring me in the face and I still couldn't clue in. AIKO crossing PEKE was RUFF. I didn't even notice TATS until reading Rex, what does that clue even mean? Pen for a hit is nice... I thought vape at first, but then thought it could be writing. Good Saturday - like a stiff drink!
ReplyDeleteLet me preface this criticism by frankly admitting I couldn’t construct a grid like this if my life depended on it. But the clueing? Are the authors major Google stockholders? Anyone can pick words and write clues so obscure and esoteric as to make the whole endeavor unpleasant. I would have loved to see the reaction to this puzzle 26 years ago, just before the search engine changed the way many do crosswords.
ReplyDeleteThose eight years of the 80s are best left unmentioned. Thanks, Rex.
ReplyDeleteP O T Y
ReplyDeleteSo many extraordinary clues for ordinary words like WRITE, SOS, BRR, DROOLS and TOE.
I think my favorite clue was “Like a noisy toy” for YAPPY, because it fooled me the longest. I had to get -APPY before it dawned on me. I also put red stars by the clues for BENDY STRAW, WEEDS, BONSAI, and TATS for their fiendishness, and NORI and ERE for their Lewisness.
Had to wait until late to start but what a fine post-rehearsal reward! This took work, and wasn’t so much a “faith solve” as a “@Lewis is not going to make me Google” solve. Sure enough, he and Barbara placed enough TOEholds that I could do it. LOWER FORTYEIGHT was a big help - felt like it did RUN INTERFERENCE for me. My only actual write over was that my “Bad place to be stuck” was in the eye before in a RUT. Wanted another palindrome.
Similar kea/loa moment to @Rex’s with OPT/acT but OPT was my first choice. Then I doubted it, thinking “acT fits the clue better” then thinking “no,actually, it doesn’t.” Another fine clue!
Of course, on top of the mind BENDing clues were the delicious long answers. Loved COMES ASHORE with it’s one-word, many-meanings clue “Lands”. Then NUCLEAR PACT and BLOW A GASKET in the same corner - separated by the ORION NEBULA.
I hope we see more from this pair soon.
Congratulations and thank you, Barbara and @Lewis!!!
As noted earlier, the Orion Nebula is not the nearest site of star formation, it's the nearest site of high-mass star formation, which is not the same. Anonymous got it right, Taurus is.
ReplyDeleteCould easily get rid of MOME by changed to MOVE and REVOTE. Great clueing overall!
ReplyDeleteWondering if you could tell me how many hours I need to stay up for watch. Nine pm is an hour watch til ten. 1am is that the third watch and that's an hour until 2am, reading or writing standards? Then up at five, right? Thank you.
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