Relative difficulty: Medium-Challenging
Theme answers:
I have one word written at the top of my puzzle and that word is "painful." The concept here (undoubtedly clever) becomes tedious and contrived when stretched out over so many clues and answers. Further, the theme is entirely in the clues, not the grid, which always feels ... backward to me. You've got a fairly boring grid, and then clues that are made tortured and inscrutable just for the sake of this theme. And five-letter themers? Who wants that, over and over and over, all the small corners choked with *two* of these absurd missing-letter clues. And that's another thing: you've got So Much Theme. Twelve theme answers? Twelve times I have to do this!?!? I would much (much much) prefer a theme concept that's interesting x 4 than a theme concept that's clunky and awkward x 12 (12?!). More is not better. More is slower, though—the themers frequently slowed me down because who would ever speak or write this way? Who would call "Klingon" a "lingo" (It's A Language) and who would call *anything* SHOVERS? SHOVERS? A total non-word—and in the plural?! SMH. So I was noticeably slower today than I would normally be on a Wednesday, if only because the small corners—areas that would normally take the least amount of time to blow through—were thickly laden with theme gunk. Also, I completely forgot the word ROENTGENS. The entire front end, just ... nothing. Had to work every cross. My Father Was A Radiologist. SMH. Unpleasant *and* slow—never a great combo.
- THIGH (1A: Chicken par_ ____ in fat) (Chicken part high in fat)
- OTHER (17A: Referring t_ ___ _est) (Referring to the rest)
- ORALS (9A: Hurdles for doct____ _tudents) (Hurdles for doctoral students)
- DEATH (19A: I___ __at terrifies thanatophobes) (Idea that terrifies thanatophobes)
- ATONED (32A: Made amends for wh__ ___ _id) (Made amends for what one did)
- SHOVERS (39A: They pu__ ____ _tuff) (They push over stuff)
- KLINGON (41A: "Star Tre_" ____ _ot heard on the original series) ("Star Trek" lingo not heard on the original series)
- RASCAL (48A: Another word fo_ _ ____awag) (Another word for a scalawag)
- DRAIN (61A: Street feature needed after a har_ ___) (Street feature needed after a hard rain)
- STAKE (69A: It'_ ____n on a vampire hunt) (It's taken on a vampire hunt)
- NINTH (65A: Pitcher's positio_ __ __e lineup, historically) (Pitcher's position in the lineup, historically)
- STORM (71A: Tempe__ __ _onsoon) ("Tempest or monsoon")
The roentgen or röntgen (/ˈrɛntɡən, -dʒən, ˈrʌnt-/; symbol R) is a legacy unit of measurement for the exposure of X-rays and gamma rays, and is defined as the electric charge freed by such radiation in a specified volume of air divided by the mass of that air (statcoulomb per kilogram). In 1928, it was adopted as the first international measurement quantity for ionizing radiation to be defined for radiation protection, as it was then the most easily replicated method of measuring air ionization by using ion chambers. It is named after the German physicist Wilhelm Röntgen, who discovered X-rays and was awarded the first Nobel Prize in Physics for the discovery. (wikipedia)
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[ALFIE & Ida] |
The longer answers have nothing thematic to do, so they just ... hang out there. In a puzzle like this, with almost all the thematic interest in the short(er) stuff, those longer answers have a kind of moral obligation to be dazzling, but (perhaps because there are So Many Themers clogging up the grid), they are just average. Not bad, not great. ROENTGENS may be the most interesting of the lot. On the whole, it's a very plain, average-to-below-average grid. I want to complain about HOR ISON ACER AMNIO and other overfamiliar short stuff, but honestly there's not more of that in this puzzle than there is in your typical NYTXW puzzle. This grid isn't bad, it's blah. Well, it's bad in that it's urine-soaked—it's got both PEE *and* a pee-allusive clue on JOHNS (66A: Going places?) (i.e. places for going, i.e. places for going to the bathroom). The fact that PEE is (cryptically) clued as a letter (44A: Snap back?, i.e. the "back"–or last letter—of the word "snap"), doesn't remove the PEE stain. When you're looking at a grid and see PEE in there, you're not thinking "ooh, the letter 'P'"; you're thinking "great, urine, just what I wanted in the middle of my puzzle." Again, if the JOHNS clue hadn't steered directly into the bathroom, then PEE would've been more innocuous. But the JOHNS clue couldn't lay off the toilet "joke," and so now the two answers seem like a subtheme. A very unfortunate subtheme.
[Glynis JOHNS]
The only real difficulty came from putting the themers together, but as I said, there was so much putting themers together that the whole puzzle became (relatively) slow. This puzzle lost me on the first themer, which came *immediately* at 1-Across. I have never thought of chicken thighs in terms of their fat content. Also, I saw "Chicken par-" and thought for sure that the answer was going to have something to do with "chicken parm." Alas, no. Hardest part of the grid for me to get into was the west, as I couldn't get AT HOME from -ME (35A: Comfortable) and couldn't get SHOVERS at all because there's no such thing as SHOVERS what the hell? Also, "shoving" and "pushing over" are different things, the latter being way more extreme than mere "shoving." My god that answer is bad on every level. Outside the theme, there was just my blanking on the ROEN- part of ROENTGENS and then ... I dunno, STIR? (59D: Energize). That clue was weird. Not sure I know how STIR = "energize." If I STIR ... something, I don't energize it, really. If I STIR someone, I move them, maybe, emotionally, but "energize?" I guess the act of stirring does involve the addition of energy (in some basic sense) to the mix, but that clue was opaque to me. Nothing else terribly tricky going on here today. Getting through that theme is enough of a challenge.
[ALFIE, age 2 mos., 2020] |
Notes:
Signed, Rex Parker, King of CrossWorld
[Follow Rex Parker on Twitter and Facebook]
- 15A: Bronx politician with a noted 2018 upset, familiarly (AOC) — she's such an established figure now that I totally forgot that her initial victory was an "upset."
- 16A: Clay figure in Jewish folklore (GOLEM) — you should watch Alex Edelman's comedy special Just For Us (on Max). It's not about GOLEMs or folklore at all, but it is very much Jewish, and very much hilarious. I watched it yesterday after hearing Edelman on Conan's podcast ("Conan O'Brien Needs a Friend"), and ... well, if I explain it too much, I'll ruin it. Basically ... Jewish guy goes to a white nationalist get-together and lives to do a comedy special about it—that's the premise. I cackled alone on my couch for an hour+. Good stuff.
- 67A: Smoothie bar supply (ICE) — lose the "Smoothie" part. Like, "Smoothies" does not really evoke ICE and you don't even need that word in the clue. It's totally, utterly, completely superfluous. Like a fly in your soup. Look: [Bar supply] = ICE. See how nice that is. So clean, so pleasant, so direct. Tidy. Elegant. I can't believe "smoothie bar" is still a thing. I can barely bring myself to say "smoothie." The only bar I want to have anything to do with serves cocktails, and if I want a thick, sweet drink, I'll order a shake or a malt like a normal person.
Good day! See you next time.
[Follow Rex Parker on Twitter and Facebook]
To each his own, I guess. I loved this puzzle.
ReplyDeleteMe too!
DeleteDefinitely appreciated the challenge presented in this Wednesday puzzle.
DeleteDitto. The answers had to be short to give any chance of solving them. Otherwise there would have been large chunks mising from the clues. Very clever and the psychological misdirection on PEE and JOHN was genius.
DeleteLoved it. Thought it was clever in a new way.
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DeleteLoved it too. Poor rex, took a little longer to solve, so puzzle was bad? I liked that the cryptic parts were in the cluing and the grid both.
I'm a few days late but wanted to see what everyone else thought. This is my favorite puzzle in a long time. The theme was clever and fun and taken to the extreme and I'm here for it
DeleteExactly my (very unpleasant) experience. I could not agree more with every word of this post, although I thought OFL would at least smile slightly at 30D.
ReplyDeleteI liked the theme - or whatever it is. Definitely on the tricky side of the week. SHOVERS was pretty weak and DEATH was a gimme but the rest were all fun to grok and solid.
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Theme was so dense the overall fill got lost. Agree with the big guy that it wasn’t overly elegant - but it wasn’t the star here.
Pleasant Wednesday morning solve.
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I just gave up on the "theme" clues, filled in almost everything with crosses, then went back to try to make sense of the themes. Not a fun solve.
ReplyDeleteI guess one person's 'painful' is another person's 'Wow, how did he come up with all of those theme clues/answers?' I found it original, impressive and unique. Bravo!
ReplyDeleteSame here. I was wow’ed enough to completely overlook any gunk.
DeleteDitto. Rex had trouble so didn't like it.
DeleteA puzzle earlier this week reminded me of my desire to rant about the clue “losing tic-tac-toe line.” Apologies if others have noted this. Only “xxx”and “ooo” are losing in tic-tac-toe. The former is losing if you are playing o’s and the latter is losing if you are playing x’s. They are also winning lines for the player playing X’s and O’s, respectively. All other lines are neither winning nor losing.
ReplyDeleteNever gave it a second thought, but that IS the thought to have. Good catch!
DeleteGreat point. I think the correct term for "OXO" would be "non-winning". I do think that the concept of a winning line implies that the line is one's own line not the opponents.
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ReplyDeleteImpressive concept, painful execution. And 100% agree on SHOVERS. I had "PEa" originally because it's the back of a snap PEa, but realized that ASSENCE, while it might describe the ESSENCE of this puzzle, wasn't a word, and then figured out that it was a "lettoral" clue. Ah, well. There's always tomorrow.
ReplyDeleteIf Coen Brither films are your thing, you won’t forget about GOLEM’s again after watching “A Serious Man”.
ReplyDeleteI knew medical school would pay off someday. ROENTGENS are commonly called “rads” now. I think it’s official. So if you were planning a career in medicine just for the crossword esoterica, you may have missed the boat.
OFL nailed it. An absolute chore and for me not a true crossword puzzle, just a lot of word play that was painful and annoying.
ReplyDeleteFinished it without cheating, albeit I had to guess to get GOLEM, and had "seniorage" at first instead of MIDDLEAGE. I thought the puzzle was very clever; my only nit is SHOVERS, which doesn't look like a real word.
ReplyDeleteSeems like this was a love-it-or-hate-it puzzle. My vote is for the latter.
ReplyDelete“Not bad. Not great” ?? OFL totally missed a chance to quote the Chernobyl miniseries: “3.6 roentgen. Not great, not terrible.”
ReplyDeleteI clocked this immediately because I had just read "Midnight in Chernobyl" by Higganbotham (which rocks btw!)
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ReplyDeleteOh, lighten up Rex! It was different, it was clever, it was somewhat hard to parse.
ReplyDeleteYou complain that it slowed you down - what, from 59 seconds to a minute 10? - it’s not THAT big a deal, is it?
Having two Star Trek answers is worse than two pee-pee references in my book (though LINGO in KLINGON was cute, TROI threw me).
When pushers come to SHOVERS, I’ll take the novel approach over the tried and true (and oft-times trite).
Oh. Well. My brain found this theme to be divine. It was given a new kind of puzzle to crack, had to think on its feet, and came alive.
ReplyDeleteNormally, in crosswords, you have the clue, and from it you deduce the answer. But today, in the theme, the clue led to ANOTHER clue, which led to the answer. Two riddles for the price of one! When the first theme answer came, it came with a huge aha at how it all worked so perfectly, and amazement at how Jesse came up with it.
But that’s just one angle. If you had crosses in the answer, you could guess what it was and try to plug it in the blanks of the original clue, and if it worked, well, for me, it also brought a huge aha, not to mention another jaw-dropping “How did he think of this?”.
All I know is that after I got my first theme answer, I couldn’t wait to get to the others. My brain was crackling with life, astonishment, and happiness throughout.
Lots of complaints about SHOVERS. Hah! This was a highlight for me. That word embedded in “They push over stuff” – double hah! Triple hah!
This was one of my favorite puzzles of the year. This was a treat. I bow to you, Jesse, for what you pulled off, and thank you many times over for the exuberance your puzzle ignited in me.
Yes - Puzzle of the Year!
DeleteI agree! While working it I applauded Mr. Fagliano for initiating a new style of crossword clues. I imagine it’s been done as a one-off before, but a puzzle with only clues like these would be a whole new animal. This puzzle was great!
Deleteagree 100%. I freaking loved it.
DeleteRex nailed it. An impressive feat of construction, but not much fun to solve, at least for this solver.
ReplyDeleteWin some, lose some. I thought this a mixture of really genius clues/answers and some real stretchers that were not “in the language” so to speak. Liked it a lot more than OFL. Big breakthrough was getting ROENTGENS almost immediately—it appeared in my memory bank out of nowhere, have no clue where I picked it up.
ReplyDeleteSuch a good puzzle. Strongly disagree with the haters.
ReplyDeleteI had a similar “this is getting monotonous“ vibe as I kept bumping into the partial clues. I stuck with it and went with the flow as best as I could. It was ROENTGENS and CHOLER that did me in though.
ReplyDeleteI suspect that we will be all over the spectrum today, with many on both the “love it” or “hate it” side, and perhaps a fair number of us like myself who are okay but not thrilled with it (in my case due to the repetitive and tedious nature of the theme clues).
The OVER duplicate is no bueno.
ReplyDeleteI loved the puzzle, the theme was very clever and fun. I remembered ROENTGENS from my Nursing School days, although rads is now used. I thought most of the fill was fine too. Rex was quite curmudgeonly today. Isn’t LINGO just slang for language? I liked that particular clue and answer a lot.
ReplyDeleteMy only beef was that we have yet another texting bunch of letters to deal with. Could someone explain what SMH stands for?
It stands for Shake My Head
DeleteThank you! I had no idea.
DeleteThanks!
DeleteFor that matter, I’ve been wondering about WOE for some time. We see it often in the comments here. Is it What On Earth?
DeleteDid. Not. Like. Painful to the eye to even look at. Oof.
ReplyDeleteCount me among the thumbs up crowd. I started out not liking the theme, but at some point I started liking it and admiring the wordplay and construction chops.
ReplyDeleteI agree SHOVERS isn't a word we use, but there's no reason it shouldn't be. It describes well a group of people we all survived in grade school and still encounter in transportation and retail centers
I agree. How is shovers any worse than haters?
DeleteHow is this a serious question? People say haters. A Lot. Common usage. Nobody says shovers. Ever. For any reason.
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ReplyDeleteMedium for a Thursday. What?!? It's Wednesday?!? How'd that happen?
Liked it a lot but why wasn't it a Thursday?
ReplyDeleteI didn’t mind it that much but there were definitely some themer clues that did not work at all as noted and there could have been half as many.
ReplyDeleteAdd me to the folks that enjoyed it.
ReplyDeleteDifferent strokes. I thought it was a lot of fun and pretty easy.
ReplyDeleteWelcome back RP and thanks for the kitty PICs this morning!
ReplyDeleteAn interesting concept and very impressive that the constructor came up with 12 of these themers. At first glance, I thought it would be a piece of cake, but it turned out to be considerably more difficult. That combined with the fact the clues were a big help in getting the answers, added significantly to its appeal. I had a particularly hard time with 1A because I badly wanted my chicken to be Par-MESAN.
So while I found it pleasing, I also agree with Rex that the trick, which seemed novel at first, started to grow a bit tiresome after the first half dozen. The hardest part for me was the TEENSY little blank lines which this OLD solver had a tough time seeing, much less parsing.
Couldn’t help but think @Gary J will have a tee hee festival this DAY with JOHNS, PEE, the HOTS and other subliminals. AHEM.
My favorite puzzle in quite some time, primarily because it wasn’t easy. Well done.
ReplyDeleteMy highlight was writing in ROENTGENS instantly and then seeing that it baffled OFL, a rare day indeed.
ReplyDeletePEE is an essential word if you have small children or grandchildren. Not really offensive and conveys some required information. See also "poop".
SHOVERS? Really? If SHOVERS are anything they are those pieces of bread you use to push things onto your fork. Europeans employ a knife for this purpose since they use utensils in both hands, very sensible.
I'd call this one different and impressive but lacking in aha's! More like, okay, got that one. And here comes another one. Oh well.
Interesting concept JG. Just good enough to make me want to keep going, and thanks for a medium amount of fun.
Didn’t love it but definitely different I’ll give it that. Always nice to see Socialist “it girl” and Hamas Squad co-founder AOC, Took me one second longer than my average.
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DeletePerhaps you could actually listen to what she says instead of propaganda. People rightly criticize the crazy “progressives” on campus for their attacks on the slightest deviation from the party line. But comments like that show the other side isn’t any better. AOC has been criticized on many occasions for deviating from the progressives’ party line including since October. She is in no way a supporter of Hamas or a mouthpiece for it. Criticizing Israel (however wrong you think she is) does not equal supporting Hamas
Just as criticizing Hamas does not make anyone a Netanyahu supporter. (BTW Netanyahu was happy Hamas took over Gaza and allowed money to be funneled to Hamas which he could have stopped because he thought it was a useful foil for the PLO and divided Palestinians. So in a way, he was a supporter of Hamas until it blew up in his face) Nothing is as simple as propaganda makes it seem.
@dgd 5:00 PM
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+1 Thx for the needed edification.
DeleteLoved it! Very clever. I’ve only been doing crosswords for a couple year so maybe I’m not as jaded. I did this one a bit faster than my average Weds so maybe I’m just excited to do that *and* see that Rex considered it Medium-Challenging.
ReplyDeleteI liked this one except for "shovers"! The obvious answer is "shovels" -- nobody uses "shovers" to push anything. Very disappointing clue.
ReplyDeleteDear.God.What.A.Mess. OFL is right on the money. A prime candidate for WOAT (although of late that field has become more crowded).
ReplyDeleteHey All !
ReplyDeleteInteresting idea. If there weren't 12 Themers, I'd've thought this started as a Themeless that happened to have words that worked with the clues, but the Themers are too accurate to not be intentional.
To cram in 12 Themers is amazing. To have two in each corner, with getting the Downs to be anything remotely comprehensible is more amazing. The KLINGON one is inspired. So, opposite of Rex on this one. Sorry, OFL!
No quibble about the closed off NW/SE corner. Helps get normal answers in spots with two Themers. But then, the NE/SW corners, which also have two Themers in them, have crossing Longs that go through other Themers! Wow.
SHOVERS, ones who shove. Am I wrong? Think Black Friday when crazy people line up at the store entrance waiting to be flattened when the doors open. They're all SHOVERS.
A fun WedsPuz, Jesse. Impressed.
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I like your ingenious defense of SHOVERS, but I was already liking it as an always welcome bit of wackiness. It made me chuckle! What's getting to me is an increasing reliance on acronyms, both in the puzzles and in OFL's column. SMH? Oh please. At this rate (ATR), one of these days (OOTD) we'll all be communicating in nothing but acronyms (NBA). Sometimes I'm glad I'm (how did you guess?) old (GIA).
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DeleteSMH is not an acronym, It's an initialism.
DeleteRight you are, and thanks for the correction. I still think they're out of control.
DeleteAbout SMH
DeleteI had no idea what it meant. KBF I agree that there are too many to keep track of!
I loved this puzzle too and was sure Rex would as well.
ReplyDeleteI thought this was a hoot! Felt like a new theme idea -- rare these days -- and it's amazing that he came up with so many. Sure, SHOVERS is a bit of a stretch, but the others are spot-on, with ORALS and STORM as my co-favorites. ROENTGENS and OVERTHINK are great connective tissue, each crossing three themers. Thoroughly enjoyable.
ReplyDeleteBest additional theme clues I could come up with:
-- 30D: Ivy League city w___ _ __valcade of gorges
-- 42D: Eric who may have sa__ "__t's stage a Broadway musical based on a movie by my comedy troupe"
-- 57A: Where the usual spot for a photo o_ __ _ tilted building
Confession I should probably be afraid to share: Having gotten IRONMEN, I then dropped in MenopausE at 22D, shocked that the NYT would clue it with such a sexist quip. After seeing the error of my ways, I could only wonder So, who's the sexist then? 🤔
Wow! I LOVED your additional theme clues. Bravo!
DeleteWill echo Lewis’ wow! on your three extra clues. Though they might have pushed the SHOVERS haters over the EDGE!
DeleteInteresting. Agreed with a lot of @Rex's comments, except that it played super easy, Monday time, and without even meaning to I did it mostly downs only with just a few acrosses to fill in. Helps that ROENTGEN just popped right in there.
ReplyDeleteAfter doing a lot of DO puzzles another "solving layer" takes hold in the brain, which is looking at the letters one has in an answer so far and guessing the answer without looking at the clue. So with 2, 3, 4, 5 D filled in looking at 1D I see that it must be
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R (for ROMEO)
O (for OTHER)
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Which means 1A is probably THIGH because I can't immediately think of another letter that goes before R and makes sense with _HIGH.
And so on.
But really, really fast.
Have rarely enjoyed a puzzle less. Took longer to reconstruct the clues than to fill it in.
ReplyDeleteWow! on the construction front. I'm so impressed at how the answers cleverly span two or even three words in the clues - which also define the answer. I enjoyed solving it, too - mostly a challenge, with a few I got right away. I loved the scalawag-RASCAL connection!
ReplyDeleteEasy in the sense that I didn't have to look up any obscure golfers' or baseball players' names, but painful in those clues -- especially chicken thighs! And I cook with them all the time! And I really think AOC deserves to be clued as "briefly" rather than "familiarly." An abbreviation is an abbreviation, darn it.
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DeleteAbout abbreviation and initialism
SMH may be an initialism but it is also briefer than shaking my head.
Many people on this blog forget that clues are not definitions but hints to answers, which is why we call it a puzzle. Clearly close enough for crosswords!
A puzzle mainly for constructor amusement. I agree some themers were clever, but there’s just too much. Also, the conceit is basically just the reverse of the “some name/word found within some phrase”. Just inserting the word instead of extracting. Those extracting clues get panned pretty hard usually. And again 12 of them. That’s too much!
ReplyDeleteAnd yet this was my fastest solve so far this month
ReplyDeleteI challenge. Unless you are impossibly bad at Mondays, you’re exaggerating.
DeleteThe constructor obviously lavished a great deal of time, effort, and love on the cluing of this puzzle. There are twelve (12!!!) theme clues -- which is absolutely amazing theme density -- and I thought all of them were smooth as silk. I define "smooth" as an answer completely in sync with the clue, so that the puzzle is completely fair to the solver. And Jesse has a limited amount of space to play with in his theme clue writing. I spent some time wondering if I could have pulled this off? My conclusion:
ReplyDeleteMostly worsely
And much less tersely.
I think most solvers will find that this plays quite a bit easier than it looks. The blank spaces seemed a bit formidable when I first perused the theme clues, but once I saw what was happening, I parsed everything without any hiccups. And my favorite clue was actually not a themer. Thanks, Jesse, for that lovely quote on MIDDLE AGE. I liked this puzzle a lot.
I agree Nancy - the clue on middle age was spot on.
DeleteI agree that this was super painful to solve. The fun drained out so quickly. I will also say that clues like this are *very* hard to write, as I learned when trying to write them in another context.
ReplyDeleteAlso, I know that “lingo” can technically mean a foreign language, but [in my experience] it’s never used that way. We use it to refer to a certain word/term, or set of words/terms, from “other” group or “in” group. The only—I double-down on *only*—way the Klingon/lingo clue works is if somehow the word “Klingon”itself were somehow very counterintuitively never used on TOS. (The way “Beam me up, Scotty” was never uttered on screen, despite being the entire franchise’s most enduring catchphrase—and yes, I do mean even more enduring than “Live long and prosper.” Citation, you ask? Don’t have one, don’t want one, don’t need one!) And of course the term “Klingon” is used several many, many times in TOS. It just doesn’t work to refer to the later-invented Klingon language (first heard in the first Star Trek movie) as a “lingo” by any use of the term “lingo” I would recognize.
🖖🖖🖖 [because there’s no transporter emoji, though there should be— maybe 🔘✨🧑🚀✨🔘?]
Chiming in with the lovers. It was way longer than my average Wednesday time, but I enjoyed the process of figuring out the themers, which seemed to add a new kind of puzzling to the experience. As someone new to crosswords, I appreciated getting to use my brain to supplement my nascent crosswordese vocabulary.
ReplyDeleteCouldn't remember the correct spelling of roentgen for the life of me.
ReplyDeleteTough sledding all round today
A veritable plethora of longer (4+ letters) Hidden Diagonal Words (HDW) today--here are clues for three of them:
ReplyDelete1. "______, baby!"
2. A la carte extra
3. Powerful stage spotlight, familiarly
A puzzle that might make one cry out, "What's it all about, (ALFIE)?"
The TWELVE themers, including the controversial SHOVERS, seems to me to jump into that old "Go large or go home" department! This one took a while, but I thought it was fun.
What would Auntie Mame do if typing in the most basic personal information? HIT HER "E" (55A)
HDW answers
1. BOOM (B at 6D, BARRIO, moves to SE)
2. SIDE (S in ROENTGENS, 10D)
3. LEKO (L in 48A, RASCAL, moves to NW--I'm something of a RASCAL for including this one, but if you've spent as many years doing theatre as I have, this would be a gimme)
BYE
Pleasant and fast, though the fill was meh in service to the gimmick, which made it more interesting than the fill would have allowed. Honestly got a few admiring aha moments, such as for KLINGON. As well as the feeling that somr of them stretched too far (looking at you, SHOVERS).
ReplyDeleteEnjoyed the challenge of this puzzle - my only gripe is with the double Star Trek references. Fun Wednesday solve!
ReplyDeleteI’m glad I dropped in for Wednesday grid and enjoyed it a heap.
ReplyDeleteHate this new software which covers the keyboard on iPhone and iPads, so I have to type a response blindly…..😳 probably not a great deal different than previous efforts?
Newboy, I had that problem also but I dragged out my Bluetooth keyboard and use it to post my comments now. Then I put it back in the drawer… Anyway, I feel your pain.
DeleteI’m commenting on iPhone right now and I can see my comment just fine. Get a young person to help you.
DeleteCount me as a lover. Each was basically its own little individual puzzle, which made it feel different. Variety is good. I found each to be relatively easy because the first and/or last letters were often "given", and fun to solve. I really dont understand the hate.
ReplyDeleteOpposite experience from Rex. Very fast solving time for me plus I found the theme (or gimmick) delightful and clever.
ReplyDeleteI'll often miss a subtle hink, but today we had an OVERTHINK.
ReplyDeleteWe went 9 years without YOKOONO's complete name appearing and now twice in 2024! Maybe she's getting some well-deserved recognition.
When I got to 68A, I found myself asking "What's it all about?"
Could have had another themer with 21A: They thrive in endurance env_ _ _ _ _ _ _ ts.
Wonderful conceit. Great execution. Made you puzzle a bit with each themer which, if you want a good review from @Rex, is not a good idea. Loved this puzzle! Thanks, Jesse Goldberg.
Felt vindicated by this write up. The moment I finished the puzzle I said “that was painful”. Glad I wasn’t the only one!
ReplyDeleteDefinitely hard for a Wednesday but I enjoyed the theme. I love puzzles that are clever and make you think! I had to look up the answer for 10 down though.
ReplyDeleteOn the tough side for me because theme. I needed to stare for a bit post solve to make sense of what was going on.
ReplyDeleteIt also took me a few precious nanoseconds to convince myself that “IN THAT” works for “because”.
Smooth grid, very clever theme, annoying solve, liked it.
Speaking of nanoseconds, @M&A from yesterday - looks like we have the same viewing habits.
Dare I say RIDDLEMEREE? I have to fill in the blanks 12 times and hope I understand what I'm doing. I did.
ReplyDeleteI really decided this was CLEVER...and amusing. Perhaps a bit on the overload side but I really wanted to figure out what prompted your brain to make this puzzle. Never mind, I just went along my jolly way and finished.
Some huh's along the way....ROENTGENS whoever or whatever you are. Dare I look up the answer? I was pretty sure I had the across answers right, but then again, I wasn't sure. I cheated on you. I also cheated on SMH. I only know TMI and OMG. I suppose I now must have the pleasure of meeting you, SMH I stared at HIT HERE for a while until the REE of my RIDDLE brain said HI THERE! Cute.
Of course I wanted my snap back to be a PEA, I'm glad PISA is on the Arno and that ALFIE makes his appearance from way back in 1968. Where was I then? Oh, I was hitchhiking throughout Spain and drinking wine from my bota. ICE looks lonely and SHOVERS remind me of folks lining up at 2am to get into Walmart and buy a 500 inch tv for Christmas.
Sit back after I'm done and admire the construction as well as a mind that comes up with something different and interesting. 10 thumbs up for me....
snap back? pee is one of the worst clues/answers i've ever seen
ReplyDeleteTook me forever to parse the theme, and halfway through I was thinking “is this a Friday masquerading as a Wednesday??” I found it very very challenging, but ultimately rewarding once I was able to figure out what was going on.
ReplyDeleteDifferent. M&A likes different.
ReplyDeleteReminds m&e slightly of a recently published runtpuz "Dog-Gone Clues", where my missin clue letters spelt out dog breed names.
staff weeject pick: SMH. Apt SWP, as M&A don't do no textin stuff.
fave themer: STAKE. Schlocky.
some fave stuff: ROENTGENS. MIDDLEAGE & its clue. OVERTHINK. PEE clue. HITHERE. "Thanatophobes".
Thanx, Mr. Goldberg dude. Musta taken U a little while to dream up all these themers. And ... __t good for yo_ to _uffer!
Masked & Anonymo_s
**gruntz**
Really clever construction and very enjoyable puzzle.
ReplyDeleteI’m a lover, not a hater, of this puzzle! I really do not get why people have used terms like “painful” and “monotonous.” And…when it comes to SHOVERS…have there not been license taken in hundreds of past puzzles with clues like that? In fact, one notorious SHOVER was Elaine Benis, who could even knock Kramer on his heels if he told her something that shocked her.
ReplyDeleteI'm a boomer (I'll turn 70 in ten months' time), but even I found this puzzle had a distinctly mid- to late-20th century, vibe dated. Ogden Nash, Sartre, Yoko Ono, Edsels, Klingon- this puzzle struck me as about 1985-era. I found the missing-letters theme as not particularly fresh having seen it in cryptic and novelty crosswords often in the past, including as "second puzzles" in the Sunday magazine section of this paper. I did not find it particularly difficult. The themers, SHOVERS aside, were OK.
ReplyDeleteI've seen this type of clue in a few NYT cryptics. Love 'em. Tried to create some, couldn't. Hope to see more.
ReplyDeleteAll the sparkle came from the themers, but that was enough. Excellent puzzle.
I haven't read the comments yet because I wanted to comment quickly while I was still excited.
ReplyDeleteI LOVED THIS PUZZLE! I whooshed through it & found it entertaining from beginning to end.
Very clever & thank you Jesse for keeping me engrossed :)
More like this please NYT & JF
And most importantly, thank you, Rex, for sharing Alfie & Ida Mae with us - SO CUTE :)
I found the puzzle to be quite easy, with a couple of minor challenges, and very enjoyable. And I find few puzzles enjoyable anymore. I could have probably solved it faster if I had put in more effort (15:08) and hadn’t done downs only.
ReplyDeleteGranted shovers is not a commonly used word, but if there are pushers there are also shovers
ReplyDeleteI briefly considered trying this down clues only, but then I saw all the interesting across clues so didn't. I'm in the sizeable minority that liked this. It seems to me Rex is overthinking it but I guess that's his job. Loved the additional clues from @egs and Sir Hillary!
ReplyDeleteFor the radiation exposure, MILLIRADS fit briefly and then I had no idea. I haven't heard the term ROENTGENS for decades.
What about the "when PUSH comes to SHOVE" idiom? That helped me with that answer in the clever theme!
ReplyDeleteI thought the theme was pretty clever, so I didn't hate it. I hated roentgens. And I agree that bar supply is a much better clue than smoothie bar supply for ICE. I don't even put ice in any smoothies I make, but I do put it in cocktails.
ReplyDeleteAt first glance I thought this puzzle might be tribble, I mean trouble. But I quickly figured out the gimmick and really liked it! A nice change of pace!!
ReplyDeleteSo, 'no Tribbel at all' really!
DeleteLoved it as well.
ReplyDeleteRex, no offense intended but maybe lighten up a bit?
Have fun.
You used to enjoy these puzzles so much more.
Shover is a word like shusher. Sometimes when my son is asked what he does for a living he says he works in the library, as the shusher.
ReplyDeleteThat was a terrible word. Blah
DeleteI am not generally picky and I like almost all puzzles. But I really disliked this one. The theme clues I just found to be drudgery. However, it's really interesting to read other comments from people who loved it! It's kind of cool that even within the part of the population that loves crosswords, there are such different points of view on what's enjoyable.
ReplyDeleteVery late to the party today so you may not even read this but I just wanted to say that I, too, really disliked this one and found the theme clues to be "drudgery". But your perspective was heartening. I just hope the editors won't give us 5 days a week of this.
DeleteI HATED this. HATED. It's easily makes my top 10 worst nytxw puzzles of the last decade.
ReplyDeleteThere is a lot of love for it both in this comment section and the comment section at the Wordplay blog. To each their own. This is NOT mine.
I love a Thursday gimmick. I love a rebus. Whatever this is, I do not love.
It wasn't difficult. It was VERY tedious. It wasn't interesting. It was annoying. I was excited to be done.
Classic Rex versus Lewis today. I'm with Lewis. It's a brilliant original puzzle. Rex is a brilliant puzzle analyst, but some days he is Rex the Grouch.
ReplyDelete@KBF I think you meant to say you still think they're OOC
ReplyDeleteDid not see the theme at all, as, for the second time in my life, I completed a Wednesday Downs Only!! 🤣
ReplyDeleteLooks like my JOHNS comment didn't go through or else it was censored (nah :-)).
ReplyDeleteI can't recall my full, ingeniously-crafted prose at this late point. Just that my name is John. To use my name - and that of so many wonderful (and, ok, not-so-wonderful) - fellow name-sharers - to refer to a loo or a cop or a whore's customer, or ... is sheer nameism. Yes, nameism.
Now I'm off to the Jesse.
Ogden Nash and Jean-Paul Sartre, at the very least, are significant cultural figures that any moderately literate and informed person should know about, regardless of his or her age. They're not references to the "80s" (or any other decade) whatsoever.
ReplyDeleteOn this seemingly 50/50 puzzle — haven’t exactly tallied ‘likes’ vs ‘dislikes’ (and stronger) — but put me on the ‘like’ (a lot) side. I thought the puzzle was clever & unique & liked figuring out the phrases & then seeing the related word appear in the grid. Although I do agree about SHOVERS; initially had ‘shovels’ but that didn’t work with INTERPRET (which BTW, I thought was a good clue/ answer.)
ReplyDeleteAlso liked MIDDLEAGED (22D) crossing OLD (37A defined as “up there, so to speak”).
Took every cross to get ROENTGENS. Was tempted to call my friend across country who worked in at the Shippingport - maybe another name now - nuclear plant for 30 years. But it would have been 1 AM his time & thought that was a bit late to call about a crossword clue/ answer.
Disclosure: finished with an error at LET (12D) crossing GOLEM (16A). LOT/ GOLOM sounded just fine to me, knowing pretty much nothing about 3-letter tennis terms & a bit shaky on my Jewish folklore.
I just closed on the house I'd planned on dying in and will be on the road to New Mexico on Friday morning. I'm exhausted, so what the hell, give me a puzzle with dashes and PEE. I haven't checked comments, but I am betting this didn't sit well with the early solvers and was just fine with the later solvers. I liked the missing letters and finding the final clue did its job in the end.
ReplyDeleteFun and engaging romp for delirious me.
❤️ SHOVERS push over stuff. Hilarious.
Propers: 8
Places: 3
Products: 3
Partials: 8
Foreignisms: 2
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Gary's Grid Gunk Gauge: 24 of 78 (31%)
Funnyisms: 5 😄
I didn't include theme entries which are kinda funny in a non-funny way.
Tee-Hee: PEE. JOHNS. Really NYTXW? I am moving and you know I don't have time to mock this inanity.
Uniclues:
1 Where muscles and sweat are found.
2 Comic-Con attendees in a mosh pit.
3 April 1st at Apple, Inc.
4 Pure evil according to Beatles fans.
5 Allow second-largest Lusophone country to make martinis Bond would loathe.
1 IS ON IRON MEN
2 KLINGON SHOVERS (~)
3 ACER RASCAL DAY
4 YOKO ONO ESSENCE
5 LET ANGOLA STIR
My Fascinating Crossword Uniclue Keepsake from Last Year: Right wingers' favorite tunes celebrating clandestine ovary supervision. EGG SPY SOLOS.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Best of luck with your move, Gary.
DeleteI am mostly a lurker here, but I had to comment I absolutely hated this puzzle. For all the reasons Rex said. Why all the trickery on a Wednesday? I expect it on Thursday. I was super annoyed the entire time and I've been doing this since 2009
ReplyDeleteAlso late to the party and loooooved this puzzle. The clues were head-scratchers but I persevered, and DRAIN was where I figured out what was going on. After that it was fun to figure out the others, with KLINGON being my favorite. Clues for PEE and JOHN were inspired. Not a fan of PASTAS (who even says that?) but constructor ATONED for that misstep with delights like TROI, ROENTGENS, BARRIO, and my personal favorite - thank you weird British historical romances - CHOLER. I thought this clever, unusual, fresh, and a hella lotta fun. Thank you Jesse Goldberg!
ReplyDeleteI also thoroughly enjoyed this puzzle, both for its structural originality and for designing themers that posed a brief (but not undo) challenge.
ReplyDeleteLoved the Star Trek references.
I don’t dislike the concept, but I had a truly awful time solving this possible (so much so that I did it over 2 days). If not for AOC and NAS clued as they were, this puzzle could have (and perhaps should have) run in 1995. I don’t mind puzzles that have older references but Jesus, we at least could have tried to tone down the proper noun fill from the middle of the 20th century. Nas had his first album in 1994 and is widely considered one of the greatest hip hop albums ever. I’m nearly certain I remember from American history classes that the Articles of Confederation were abbreviated as AOC. ACER has made laptops since the 90s for sure. Can we try this theme again and make it at least remotely enjoyable for anyone born after 1978?
ReplyDeleteI am going to disagree with Rex and say I liked this puzzle. The theme was unusual and definitely caused some head scratching. Took me twice as long as usual but I didn’t have to look up anything other than thanatophobia. The reveal was fun most of the time.
ReplyDeleteI’ll allow that SHOVERS wasn’t my favorite. Got JOHNS & PEE from crosses then moved on without potty thoughts.
Did have to look up thanatophobia. Spoiler: it isn’t a fear of the ridiculous Marvel villain Thanos, as I’d initially suspected.
So going to check out Alex Edelman! I like a comedian who respects otters & makes fun of himself in a way that doesn’t really shame anyone else (except nazis of course)
Good puzzle but shouldn’t have been on a Wednesday. It’s the kind of puzzle that makes advanced beginner solvers who can usually take a good stab at Wednesday feel discouraged just looking at the clues. Too bad because once you got the idea it wasn’t actually hard at all, in fact I thought it was a fairly easy and I am someone who often has a DNF on a Wednesday. (Not this one). But I found the solve to be pretty annoying and not really fun.
ReplyDeleteWow! Most divisive puzzle ever? I thought it was absolutely brilliant.
ReplyDeleteLucky for me in Hebrew, X-rays are (or at least were) called ROENTGENS.
All three puzzles this week about the same difficulty. Terrible puzzle.
ReplyDeleteFun, refreshing,a pleasure to do a puzzle that is not loaded with trite clues about obscure "movie stars", acronyms, rock bands and lots of other boring stuff. If only Rexy had liked it....
ReplyDeleteYOU all thought it was tricky? I solved it from a syndicated publication that messed up the clues so that 39A was They pu______, and 41A was _tuff. The clues applicable to 41A to 70A were all numbered for the next word on, and there was no clue given at all for 71A. I had the top half of the grid solved perfectly, but nothing working on the bottom, in that, "Oh is this a Thursday?" kind of way. What saved me is that I had enough from the downs to see KLINGON. And any day Klingon language makes it into the puzzle is a good day.
ReplyDeleteI don’t agree with Rex on this one. I thought the theme was clever and fun to solve. What’s not to like?
ReplyDeleteIt would be tough to create a 15x15 slog, but not impossible, as witness today's offering. I have to stand foursquare with OFNP on this one: 12 of these is way too many...and SHOVERS? Well, if you need a rhyme for "lovers" in your poem...
ReplyDeleteHow nice, and timely, to see my DOD GEENA Davis in time for the Beetlejuice reprisal! She alone saves a DB to a mere bogey.
Wordle bogey.
If Rex has to overthink things while doing the puzzle, he tends to overhate it. 10D took me way too long to remember, and I used to work for two radiologists.
ReplyDeleteAnonymous 12:55 AM Yes, WOE is What On Earth.
ReplyDeleteI enjoyed this unusual puzzle very much, had been excited to read all the glowing comments, then was so surprised. I found that additional theme-like clues given in the comments were much more difficult for me. I enjoyed watching the possibility of figuring out the theme clues increase as I filled in more letters.