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Relative difficulty: Easy/Medium (Top-left corner Very Hard)
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THEME: Logical fallacies — There is a list of logical fallacies, with the revealer LOGICAL FALLACIES.
Word of the Day: MORDOR (113A: Home of Mount Doom in "The Lord of the Rings") —
In J. R. R. Tolkien's fictional world of Middle-earth, Mordor (pronounced [ˈmɔrdɔr]; from Sindarin Black Land and Quenya Land of Shadow) is the realm and base of the evil Sauron. It lay to the east of Gondor and the great river Anduin, and to the south of Mirkwood. Mount Doom, a volcano in Mordor, was the goal of the Fellowship of the Ring in the quest to destroy the One Ring. Mordor was surrounded by three mountain ranges, to the north, the west, and the south. These both protected the land from invasion and kept those living in Mordor from escaping.
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Theme answers:
- NO TRUE SCOTSMAN [All crossword fans love this puzzle; anyone who doesn't love this puzzle can't be a *real* crossword fan!]
- CIRCULAR REASONING [Why was this chosen as today's puzzle? Because it's great! What makes it great? I mean, it was chosen for publication!]
- CHERRY PICKING [I sent this crossword to 100 friends, and two of them really liked it!]
- POST HOC ERGO PROPTER HOC [What's more, one of those friends won the lottery right after solving it — coincidence? I think not! ]
- SLIPPERY SLOPE [If you criticize this puzzle, where will it end? Before long, you'll be criticizing your mother's cooking!]
- APPEAL TO AUTHORITY [Besides, The New York Times said it was good!]
- LOGICAL FALLACY [Part of a flawed argument, examples of which are seen throughout this puzzle]
Here is one thing that did not make me happy, though: this puzzle's theme. Sure, the meta-ish clues were fun, but at its core this is simply a list puzzle. Every theme entry is just in the "list of fallacies" Wikipedia page (yes, it's a real Wikipedia page). It was pretty easy for me to catch on to what was going on, and I filled in almost every theme answer immediately with no crosses (except NO TRUE SCOTSMAN, we'll get to that corner later). Maybe I'm just particularly well-versed in my logical fallacies? But where is the wit? Where is the wordplay? The joy, the creativity, the ingenuity, etc.? I feel like a list puzzle needs some additional layer, maybe a clever revealer, maybe some extra constraint, maybe even just a list that is tighter, or more interesting, or celebrating something that's not often celebrated in crosswords, or ... something. But the cute meta clues didn't quite do it for me today.
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Let me complain a bit more, and then I will say nice things. It's always nice to end with nice things. But for now ... complaining! Let's start with the elephant in the room, which is that IZZATSO is absolutely, definitively, resoundingly, etc., not a thing. Not even close to a thing, sadly. It Googles really poorly, and it's just kinda so laughably WTF. That corner was rough since NO TRUE SCOTSMAN was ??? to me, IZZATSO is obviously also ???, this STU angle was new to me, the OZONE clue was hard. There were a few other clunkers (UNPC, TACET, et al.) but overall I thought the rest was pretty clean for a Sunday.
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Okay, that's out of my system. Now we can say nice things! Some fun non-theme entries here in BIONIC MEN, ONION RING, LET'S PARTY, POP-UP BOOK. Many Sundays will have not even one (1) fun entry like this, so I appreciated seeing these in the chonky corners of the grid. Even things like STIPEND, SPOILER, TENSE UP, WISCONSIN, while not super flashy, are super solid and evocative entries IMO.
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Well .. the "nice things" section is a lot shorter than the "not nice things" section ... but it's not my fault that it's so much more fun to complain than to say nice things!
Bullets:
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Bullets:
- GAS [Beetle juice?] — It took me forever to get this clue. It's Beetle as in the car, and juice as in fuel. So gas = gasoline = car fuel. Clever!
- MUSH [Sled dog command] — This one I actually don't get. Some sledding jargon I guess? Let me know if there's something else going on here that I missed.
- MT DANA [13,000+-foot peak in Yosemite]— I've been to Yosemite a few times, but don't think I'd heard of this.
- AWS [Sympathetic sounds] — Not to be a Tech Shill, but I'd love to see this clued as Amazon Web Services some day, which I understand might not be very well-known to tech or tech-adjacent people but which serves one third of the global cloud market.
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The theme was whatever, I ended up filling the theme answers (with many more crossings than Rafa needed) without thinking much about the clues. 65A was making no sense at all with the seemingly random jumble of letters I had until I remembered that POST HOC ERGO PROPTER HOC ("after that, hence because of that") is a thing. IZZATSO on the other hand is ridiculous, but I just had to accept it with an eyeroll when the two Zs showed up.
ReplyDeleteSpeaking of "show up", there's a super duper dupe going on with 5 (!) UPs. LOADS UP, UP TO IT, TENSE UP, POP-UP BOOK, and HELD UP. I found myself doubting TENSE UP after LOADS UP, and that was only the second UP I saw.
The ROOK might be your favorite piece if you're into chess and you know the meme: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08jEcWKzxWU
I was so hoping to heap high praise on this puzzle until, on reading the review, I discovered my solution had an error, and I call natick. The musical term TACET is a fairly obscure (and non-English) answer, and the crossing clue is ambiguous. Those taking the sense of "blind" as a window blind, and knowing that one of its components is called a "slat," were lucky... but I took it as referring to a hunter's blind, so was cocksure that the correct answer was "slot" as in gun slot. This is just not fair. I concur with our guest reviewer that the NW corner was very difficult, and that IZZATSO is not a thing ( nor is YHEAR fir that matter), but I disagree with his underappreciation of the ingenuity of the theme, an area where I thought this puzzle really shined. If only this puzzle had been edited with a bit more finesse, I would have insisted on a five star rating. But alas...
ReplyDeleteTacet is actually a very common musical term. If you play in an ensemble and your party rests, while the others play, it often says Tacet on your part.
DeleteI disliked this puzzle immensely
ReplyDeleteMe too!
DeleteMe too.
DeleteReally want to know how many here had ever heard of the “No true Scotsman” fallacy. I certainly hadn’t, and getting it from battling through the rest of the northwest corner was no fun.
ReplyDeleteSame. Never heard of it however I am glad to know it now.
DeleteSince you specifically asked, I'll raise my hand. It's a pretty standard fallacy (especially when arguing politics with flag-waving xenophobes).
DeleteGot it immediately with no crosses. That along with SLIPPERY SLOPE were the only two I knew cold.
DeleteI filled it in immediately before getting to the downs, like almost all of the theme answers today.
DeleteI feel like it's one of the main ones I come across for some reason.
DeleteIt’s common on Reddit arguments. After Ad hominem, No True Scotsman is probably the best known logical fallacy on that site. I’m not proud to know this.
DeleteI knew it immediately, and it was one of the first answers I entered. However, I co-solve these with my wife, who had never heard the term at all. Makes that corner kinda nasty.
Delete*raises hand*
DeleteI see that responses to Anonymous 3:48 AM show many knew of no true Scotsman. I am guessing it was once not widely known then became a thing online. I hadn’t a clue but it was fairly easy to get
DeleteMUSH is the command to sled dogs to start moving, or to keep moving , forward. Thus the term "musher" for sled dog drivers/racers.
ReplyDeleteThough I think not all "mushers" say mush. I think they say things like "Let's go"
But not having been on a mushing trip for about 15 years, and not having been around mushers much since then, I'm not sure.
I didn't find the top left corner as hard as a lot of the puzzle - until I got to 22A Even once it was filled in it was not familiar to me.
And "post hoc ergo propter hoc" I hope I'm not the only one who has never before heard that phrase, nor the word "propter"
I googled it to try to get a translation etc. and think there was a fallacious example of it occurring in media, but the example for life seemed to be good.
Ultimately seemed like a clever puzzle and appropriate theme for a word game, but not my favorite puzzle to do.
You gave it away in your (good) write up - you apparently like hot weather, not the cold cold weather where people say "mush." It's a very common dog sled word - I believe it's a Canadian mispronunciation of the French marche - in any case it means - saying it to your trusty dog sled team - start, go, move, or even an equivalent to "giddy up" or one of the many more proper horse commands. Real dog sled people will be able to correct me.
ReplyDeleteThere's also a Canadian sport called "mushing."
How young do you have to be to not know MUSH command. Or as some whipper-snapper might say how old do you have to be to know MUSH. Don’t kids read Jack London books anymore.
ReplyDeleteYes maybe it was early 60’s but the movie North to Alaska had that catchy Johnny Horton song with the lyrics
“North to Alaska, North to the MUSHia zone”
The children’s movie Balto (based on a true story) is about sled dogs and they use “mush”. I don’t know if children still watch it.
DeleteNorth the rush is on. That's the lyric. Mushia zone is a mondergreen.
DeleteMedium. i did not know were so many LOGICAl FALLACIES. Post solve Googling was quite informative. Learned something, liked it more than Rafa did.
ReplyDeleteMTDANA is so lame. I've been to Yosemite 6 times, and done 5 major hikes there. The only times I've ever heard of Mt. Dana are in crosswords. It just isn't a real point of interest.
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Anonymous 4:38 AM
DeleteIt is not necessary for all answers about Yosemite to be well known, even to the millions who have visited it. It is a valid and apparently NOT small mountain.
I didn’t know it ( never been to Yosemite BTW) but it wasn’t hard to get from the crosses. Didn’t see anything wrong with it.
ReplyDeleteThis would have been Easy if I'd heard of the NO TRUE SCOTSMAN fallacy. As it was, I needed every cross and then misread it as "Not true, Scotsman" and it made no sense at all. I moved on and resolved to come back to that corner after I failed to get the happy music. To my surprise, the music played when I filled my last square and I had to look up the fallacy. Any puzzle that teaches you something is a good puzzle.
Hi Rafi, thanks for filling in for Rex. Just dropped by to comment on your query about the "Mush" entry. Back when I was little, before kindergarten, I used to watch a TV show with my older brother. Sgt Preston of the Yukon was a Canadian Mountie who solved crimes with the help of his lead sled dog, King. I believe that is where I learned Mush! is said to urge on a team of sled dogs. https://m.imdb.com/title/tt0182633/?ref_=ttcnn_ov
ReplyDeleteBut why was Sgt. Preston’s dog King, and his horse Rex? They essentially had the same name.
Deleteyou're probably a lot younger than me. "Mush" as a sled dog command was a big thing in 60s era cartoons.
ReplyDeleteAnd 70s! That's how I knew it.
DeleteTook a while. Not much fun.
ReplyDeletealas, I can only echo this sentiment Rafa expressed, "where is the wit? Where is the wordplay? The joy, the creativity, the ingenuity, etc.? I feel like a list puzzle needs some additional layer".....for me the Sunday puzzles are becoming witless exercises.
ReplyDeleteWell, I was charmed by this theme. It felt erudite and so un-crossword-theme-like as to be rebellious. Rebellious and erudite, these are two of my happy buttons.
ReplyDeleteThen, three of the theme answers were so familiar to me that they popped right in with few crosses, which felt good. One of them I’d heard of in the past but couldn’t retrieve right off, but when I finally did, that felt good. One of them I’d never heard of before and setting it down thanks to crosses felt mighty good.
And that huge spanner across the middle, the Latin one, oh, I kinda remembered it but didn’t know it exactly and no way was I going to enter squares with confidence, so watching it take shape, with the help of crossing answers, and having it become clearer and clearer, until it did fill in and I knew it was right – well, that was a triumph.
The theme was the bones of this puzzle, and when the bones charm me, all nits fly out the window, and little joys, like [Title awarded after a match?] for MRS, and [Gift tied together with string] for LEI, both lovely, and both original for answers that have appeared hundreds of times – become amplified.
Thank you for making this, John. It buoyed my day!
Oh, Lewis, your erudite and rebellious comments always make my day. It’s true the No True Rex Fan would have loved this puzzle, but I certainly did. I did only learn about the no true Scotsman fallacy in my 70s (as opposed to post hoc, ergo propter hoc, 11th grade, and which I explained to every patient who demanded antibiotics for a cold), but it’s been referenced in the news.
DeleteI also liked the “bachelor’s last words” clue, which went with the “title rewarded” one.
I kept hearing Archie Bunker saying “Izzatso?” as I worked on the NW.
If you don't know "izzatso" you're not from Brooklyn.
DeleteI’m from Brooklyn and nobody would EVER spell that catastrophe in the way it appeared in today’s crossword, even if that’s how people may pronounce it
DeleteIzzat so IS a thing from past tv & movies.
DeleteI thought YHEAR was the worst answer, as I don't think I've heard or read it as much as I have IZZATSO, which I seem to recall was a fairly common spelling convention in books set in the 1940s, specifically detective and other tough-guy novels. In fact, it was the first thing I put in the NW corner--not confidently, mind you, but I had nothing else up there and that quickly got me OZONE and AZTEC, which gave me the toehold I needed.
ReplyDeleteI had heard of all the LOGICAL FALLACIES but it was still fun trying to figure them out. SLIPPERY SLOPE was by far the easiest for me, followed by CIRCULAR REASONING. Had POST HOC ERGO PROcTOR HOC but quickly corrected it.
I enjoyed this one more than Rafa did, despite its listish qualities. :)
YHEAR should be YAHEAR maybe? That was brutal.
ReplyDeleteYHEAR is the worst!!
DeleteIf the grid is so hard to fill that you have to resort to basically making things up like YHEAR and IZZATSO, maybe it’s time to rethink your whole puzzle’s construct. The theme wasn’t THAT good - if you have to take that much “editorial license “ just to fill in the grid, maybe get another theme or another puzzle. For an organization that (I believe) recently declared a moratorium on accepting puzzle candidates, they certainly do publish more than their fair share of head-scratchers.
ReplyDelete“MUSH you huskies!” Easy one for an old (very old) Sgt.Peston of the Yukon fan. And once I got AZTEC and OZONE, IZZATSO was a gimmie. So much depends on your childhood exposure…Unfortunately, also started out with “NOTRUESportsfAN—that got me in a lot of trouble from the start. Thought the fallacies were a lot of fun even though they were mostly easy to get with a few crosses—seemed to me a fun job of construction. YHEAR was a tough one to accept but the crosses demanded it.
ReplyDeleteGrowing up in Texas, about all I knew of the great north was that in every episode of his TV show, Sgt. Preston of the Yukon would shout, “Mush, you huskies!”
ReplyDeleteI got caught up with the Z's, thinking the "one time pyramid builder" was certainly IMPEI, the designer of the glass pyramid outside the Louvre and common crossword fill.
ReplyDeleteAlso the Latin phrase in the middle I had as "prApter" not "prOpter" as I ha filled "AHME""/ which I think is more common crossword than "OHME".
Definitely missed opportunities to do something clever with the grid. Maybe circled letters throughout that spell "LOGIC".
Hahaha — I only had the initial A for the pyramid builder and was sure it was a pharaoh I couldn’t quite remember
DeleteI often like list puzzles, and this was no exception. List puzzles and tribute puzzles are under-represented in the Times.
ReplyDeleteIZZATSO went in off the ‘SO’, so while it may not be common in Rafa’s world it is in mine.
I do agree that overall very easy, but my hard section in that SPREE/ROAM/ATM section.
Phil 4.14. Thanks for remembering the earworm North to Alaska song. I believe the lyric was “North to Alaska, we go north, the rush is on.”
ReplyDeleteWell now it's time to say goodbye
ReplyDeleteto Jed and all his kin.
'n' they would like to thank you folks
for kindly droppin' in.
You're all invited back next week to this locality
To have a heapin' helpin' of their hospitality.
Hillbilly that is
Set a spell
Take your shoes off.
Y'all come back now, y'hear?
MT DANA is visible from much of the Tuolumne Meadows region and can be hiked up from Tioga Pass, though I never got around to it. It's the second highest peak in Yosemite (and one of only three that are over 13000 feet. The other one that I knew is Mt Lyell (climbed it in 1976) which doesn't fit. Dropped in MTDANA with no crosses, and also it has triggered a wave of nostalgia for one of the most beautiful places I know, which will now be with me all day probably. But I agree, if you haven't spent much or any time in the Yosemite high country, that's a very obscure answer.
ReplyDeleteIt’s either AH ME or OH MY
ReplyDeleteOH ME is not a thing
Had “cagers” vs. “NBAers” slowing down up top.
ReplyDeleteVERY VERY VERY HARD. Never heard of NO TRUE SCOTSMAN, IZZATSO is an abomination and feels somehow borderline offensive, and a grid-spanning nonsense Latin term?!?!? First Sunday DNF in a long time. Did not enjoy at all.
ReplyDeleteI love seeing a logical fallacy described as “nonsense “!
DeleteNo true crossword solver is unknowledgeable about the No True Scotsman fallacy.
ReplyDeleteI Kant ( great blog name!)
DeleteVery funny comment. Didn’t know it but now I do!
I thought this was a fine puzzle. I finished it close to my personal best time, getting the theme entries with just a couple of crosses, and a couple with no crosses at all. What I liked about the theme entries was the wide variation in the formality of the expressions. You have a couple of metaphors (CHERRY and SLIPPERY), some Latin (POST HOC), some ordinary English expressions, and one of the most vivid expressions in philosophy (SCOTSMAN).
ReplyDeleteAs a former philosophy professor, this puzzle should have been up my alley. But also as a former philosophy professor, I am annoying, so I have to say the following: “appeal to authority” is only a fallacy if the authority is an inappropriate authority. Appealing to, say, the OED about etymology or to your orthopedist about your ACL tear is fine and good! So basically this puzzle is dissing the NYT reviewers!
ReplyDeleteI kept trying to figure out a way to fit Euthyphro Dilemma into 30-across while thinking it was way too obscure a term for NYT puzzle, and I was pleased to see a more basic phrase was the correct one!
I’m surprised that some of the people commenting here are more familiar with post hoc ergo propter hoc than no true
Scotsman.
Why is the NYT trying to destroy the crossword puzzle? They've just been horrible all year. This puzzle was no exception. From the obscure trivia to the endless proper nouns to the egregious "IZZATSO", this was just an exercise in frustration and has ruined Sunday mood.
ReplyDeleteIZZATSO
UNPC
UPTOIT
WTF is a trisolaran
TACET????
JULE STYNY???!!! Had to google but this person died 30 years ago. Maybe something more current for solvers who aren't 100+ years old.
POSTHOCERGOPROPTERHOC might be the most absurd theme answer I have ever witnessed. Who in gods name is able to get this outside of lawyers or fluent latin speakers?
PLASTIC ONO BAND?!?!?!
Anybody ever heard of COE before today? I guess I'm just not up to speed on obscure colleges in flyover states.
Nobody has used Skype in about 6 years, so I would say it is inaccurate to call it a "Zoom alternative". Easy answer but inaccurate.
That sound YHEAR is me hitting the cancel button on my NYT subscription. I certainly don't need to PAY to be this annoyed on a sunday morning.
Really sorry about whatever is going on in your life :(
DeleteSounds like you could benefit from finding someone to talk to.
FH
ReplyDeleteI really liked it; thought it was hard-ish and I liked the fallacy theme (so there).
Is Google the new arbiter for this? For anything?
Possibly the worst puzzle I’ve ever seen. No fun at all.
ReplyDeleteI'm sorry to say I really disliked this puzzle. There are Latin phrases that I feel are part of the general knowledge pool, but the longest theme answer on this puzzle - POST HOC ERGO PROPTER HOC - was not one of them for me, and it was impossible to get from crosses or figure out - unless you just know the phrase. I did not. I did learn something from this puzzle but there was entirely too much Google-ing and entirely too little "aha". YHEAR was so bad I was initially looking for a theme that had letters missing. No joy in Mudville today.
ReplyDeleteI've heard of the no true Scotsman fallacy on occasion; not often. Knowing it, and quickly guessing OZONE and AZTEC, certainly helped greatly in the northwest. IZZATSO just fell into place as the only possibility.
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Hey All !
ReplyDeleteI was UP this morning to do the usual routine, brew UP some coffee, turn on the computer to load UP the crossword, and settle in after psyching myself UP to have a go at the SunPuz. I knew it was UP to something, now I know about LOGICAL FALLACies. To borrow old vernacular, Word UP!
Yes, that to say I noticed the many (5) UPs in the grid. When does it become too many? Would a sixth one have garnered a "Sorry, too many UPs, you have to redo a section or two" response? IZZATSO?
I did like the puz, even though I had a few NITs. Have played poker before (however, never really good at it), but NIT in that context was a WOE. Seven Themers/Revealer, leaves enough space to try to get clean fill around your Themers. Succeeded mostly. I'm sure if you pick apart the fill, you'd find some iffiness.
Well, time to get UP off my arse and do something. Giddy UP!
Happy Sunday.
One F (in the Revealer, so not another in a big 21x21 puz. Poor F's!)
RooMonster
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I thought it was an ok theme. But my issue was with OH ME. The phrase is either “ah me” or “oh my”. And having the “o” cross a Latin word is unfair.
ReplyDeleteSpeaking of Latin, anyone else get “post hoc ergo propter hoc” because of West Wing?
"After hoc therefore something else hoc"! Absolutely only knew this from WW. As a social scientist, I just use "correlation does not equal causation" and skip the Latin ;)
DeleteI started in the NW, as always. At least I tried to. Tried the middle, DANUBE and then nada. NE gave me GOPRO and a probable GABON and that was enough to start. Steady progress, ending in the dreaded NW, where NOTRUEDSCOTSMAN eventually revealed itself. It was the one LOGICALFALLACY of which I had not heard.
ReplyDeleteToday's highlight is of course OKAPI. Where ya been? Welcome back.
Briefly considered AZTEC on my first go-round but didn't think of it again until I finally and reluctantly returned to the NW where it led to IZZATSO, which bothered me not at all. age-related, I guess.
I'm always surprised when someone doesn't know a term like MUSH. Looks like a lot of other folks are too.
Thought this was a clever and timely Sunday effort. You don't need to watch too many political speeches to run into one, or many, of these LOGICALFALLACIES. Add a few more and you'd have a nice election season bingo card.
I enjoyed myself bigly, JE. Just Enough push back and new information to make it all worthwhile, and thanks for all the fun.
There's a big difference between a logical fallacy and a damned lie
DeleteWell I'm sure you all were as outraged as I was at the (14D) GOPRO dupe with (65A) POSTHOCER GOPRO PTERHOC. I think the phase means "Argue from what you see on a personal head-mounted action camera."
ReplyDeleteMrs. Egs called me a POSER PRICK for ordering a COCO ICEE.
Can someone who REAMS a virgin be accused of CHERRYPICKING? Asking for a friend.
Tourist in Scotland: Is that a Nene?
Scot: NAE, NAE. NOTRUESCOTSMAN would ask that.
Tardy in the digital era = ELATE.
Pretty much agree with @Rafa. A list puzzle, but some nice entries here and there.
I learned MUSH from the animated film “Balto.”
ReplyDeleteYesterday my brother-in-law, who is completing a cabin that he built by himself, delivered my repaired riding lawn mower that Earl, who lives way out in the country, fixed by cannibalizing a starter from one of the old mowers out back of his place. I was so happy. My sister and brother-in-law are visiting us tomorrow. Those Austinites have been to the the Bluegrass museum in Owensboro, Kentucky, with its Jerry Garcia exhibit, as well as Mammoth Cave. Earl charged me $35. Less than lunch for two in NYC.
ReplyDeleteHow to repay my inlaw? I don't have a pickup and a trailer. I went into my little office area and grabbed my copy of Jack London writings. He doesn't read much but I insisted he read " To Build a Fire" and "All Gold Canyon". Jack London once wrote "As you love me, Buck. As you love me." ... "Mush!"
I love the people that write on this blog. Nancy, Andrew, Southside all of you. All very interesting and diverse. The puzzles take us down so many interesting rabbit holes.
The younger folks in this demographic need to pick up the classics.
This one was like two very different puzzles for me. I tore through the bottom half, but the top half, especially the NW, was Just Horrible. This bifurcated difficulty is more typical of WaPo puzzles; I'm distressed to see yet another failing make its way into the NYTXW.
ReplyDeleteHated a lot of the fill (including the cluing that was a little too cute by half), but enjoyed the themes. I was able to get everything but CHERRYPICKING without crosses, which made things a lot more fun than most Sundays.
ReplyDelete(The CHERRYPICKING clue is simply incorrect. “ I sent this crossword to 100 friends, and two of them really liked it!” is not an example of cherry-picking. )
Exhausting. Every day I meet people who are smarter than me, but rarely do I meet somebody funnier than me, but I've got the sense this constructor is both. I never took Logic, but I've heard of all these fallacies except the enormous Latin phrase across the middle and it of course took every cross.
ReplyDelete❤️: [Beetle juice.] IZZATSO. GLUG.
Propers: 6
Places: 9
Products: 10
Partials: 11
Foreignisms: 3
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Gary's Grid Gunk Gauge: 39 (28%)
Recipes: 1 (beta)
Funnyisms: 14 🤣
Tee-Hee: [Erases.] [Cause to pop.] SPLAT. [Giggle.]
Uniclues:
1 Going a day without the glug.
2 The PR Department's salaries, collectively.
3 What leads to a foot fetish.
4 What happens when the UFO pilot was taken to our leaders. And I'm sure you can imagine how well it went.
5 If one orc is good, lots of orcs is better.
6 One using a password of 1234.
7 Yes, you should walk around looking like a book of clip art
8 Stab famous cookie maker and laugh.
1 NO TRUE SCOTSMAN UP TO IT
2 CHERRY PICKING STIPEND
3 TOE PADS SLIPPERY SLOPE
4 ET'S APPEAL TO AUTHORITY (~)
5 MORDOR LOGICAL FALLACY
6 YAHOO! USER ID DULLARD (~)
7 TAT-LOOK GOAL URGED
8 SPEAR AMOS IN FUN (~)
My Fascinating Crossword Uniclue Keepsake from Last Year: The raw feeling in his heart when he accepted he wouldn't be a ballerina. ALLIGATOR'S ACHE.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Gary Jugert
DeleteAnother great collection of uniclues!
On a roll this weekend.
MUSH was a gimme, as was SLAT, thats in there all the time. I agree with Rafa, where is the wit? SLIPPERYSLOPE could have been anything, why didnt they tie it into something slippery? NOTRUESCOTSMAN, WTH? who says that? 65 years old and never heard of that. And the long POSTetc.... what the heck was that? I do understand the concept but never heard that term. YHEAR? I agree, that was awful. MORDOR? MII? sorry, did not like this puzzle at all
ReplyDeleteA friend of mine is an audiologist and for a while her vanity license plate was Y HEAR which is what 74A's answer brought to mind.
ReplyDeleteI've often wished I'd learned the various logical fallacies, how to recognize them and how to defend against them. Not that you're going to win any SCRAPs with someone using false arguments.
i ended with a DNF because I misinterpreted the clue for 57A as someone having misspoke saying, “What did I say?” rather than the “told you so” meaning it actually had. So I put down gEE and figured WIgCONSIN was part of Barbie's myth, a play on the state's name . Gee, what a DULLARD I am!
Thanks for puzzle, John Ewbank!
Teedman
DeleteRe gEE did the same thing because I forgot the other meaning of what did I say!
Happy I am not alone
This puzzle succeeded in doing one of the things I most want a puzzle to do -- which is to provoke my curiosity. It did so in spades, and I therefore found it one of the most entertaining Sunday puzzles in a long time.
ReplyDeleteI adored the clues and knew they were all examples of one LOGICAL FALLACY or another. I hadn't, however, heard of all of their names. CIRCULAR REASONING, SLIPPERY SLOPE and CHERRY PICKING were easy, though I did need some crosses for all of them. APPEAL TO AUTHORITY is a familiar phrase to me, but not in that context. And NO TRUE SCOTSMAN and POST HOC ERGO PROPTER HOC (even though I studied Latin) were great big "Huh?s" to me. I'm assuming the latter means something like "after the fact reasoning".
As for NO TRUE SCOTSMAN? The longer I sit here writing this, the longer it will be until I find out exactly what that means. And I'm dying of curiosity. So I'll finish this up right now.
Great fun, John Ewbank. Based on the fun quotient plus the curiosity your puzzle provoked, I'm putting it into my running list for Puzzle of the Year.
These is not only a horrible answer in and of itself but it also is not what capeesh means. It’s not do you you hear. It is “do you understand” or “do you get it”. Yes, yhear may be tangentially related but tangent answers shouldn’t be so awful.
ReplyDeleteI’ve never agreed with the concept of an APPEAL TO AUTHORITY as an actual LOGICAL FALLACY. Potentially weak argument in need of further support, sure. But thinking of it in the same category as, for example, CIRCULAR REASONING is the kind of idea that has led to modern distrust of expertise and the recent “do your own research” trend.
ReplyDeleteThe clue itself is an example. If there’s a well-respected critic who says a crossword puzzle (or a movie or a restaurant) is good, I’d inclined to believe it and check it out. That’s what critics are for.
This puzzle was fun! I haven't seen the fallacies since a college philosophy course! I remembered most of them-- exception " no true Scotsman. But the rest I uncovered with delight! The last word to fall was 'TAT. not on my weave length because of my advanced age! Thanks!
ReplyDeleteWow. I came to the blog thinking that this was a really great Sunday puzzle and somewhat ingenious, THEN I find out that it is JUST a “list puzzle”. Yeah, no great love here for IZZATSO and YHEAR but I had more fun with this than any Sunday in recent memory. I had not heard of NOTRUESCOTSMAN but it’s a “thing” and I think the name is kind of funny. The only themers I plopped in with few or no crosses were CIRCULARREASONING and the revealer LOGICALFALLACIES.
ReplyDelete@Egs…ooh…you are a bad boy today!
@Sharonak…my daughter tells me that dog-sledding as a “sport” is now falling out of favor in Alaska, in that many people now have the view that the dogs really DON’T enjoy it (as once touted). I’d be curious to know your take on that.
MUSH. Okay, I get that few younger readers know of Jack London but surely they've all seen the "Rudolph The Red Nosed Reindeer" with Yukon Cornelius trying to get those sled dogs to MUSH!
ReplyDeleteWant to know why YHEAR didn't bother me? Because I didn't have it written in. I looked at "Capeesh" and saw an "!" and not a "?" at the end (have I complained about my deteriorating vision lately?) and thought to myself that it was the 2nd half of an exchange: "Capeesh?" "Capeesh!"
ReplyDeleteAnd since I know nothing about the Pacemakers of pop fame and since GERRY could just as well have been GERRI, I wrote in with full confidence I HEAR.
Some might think of this as a DNF. I really don't. Is there a LOGICAL FALLACY I can employ to excuse my mistake? Hmmm.
Medium until I hit the middle themer POSTHOCERGOPROPTERHOC. Then it became Medium-Challenging. All of these rhetorical devices have been used by politicians for centuries. Well done John Ewbank.
ReplyDeleteFrom what I've gathered from TV and movies and probably from reading "Call of the Wild" in 4th grade, "mush" is what you say to sled dogs to make them go. Or maybe make them go faster. Anyway, it reminds me of one winter, about 10 or 15 years ago, back when Boston winters were cold and feared, I was walking to work on a morning when the wind chill made the air feel like it was fifteen below. My breath was causing ice crystals to form on my moustache and beard, and as I walked down what I thought was a deserted sidewalk I started saying "mush! mush!" under my breath, pretending I was in the Yukon during the gold rush. I was really getting into it when a person walked past me on my left, chuckling. I was a little embarrassed, but it was 15 below for them, too: they got it.
ReplyDelete(Colin here... At work, so not logged in.)
ReplyDeleteThank you for the write-up, Rafa!
I actually liked most of this puzzle. Many of the clues seemed fresh. Agree the NW was a slog, with IZZATSO and NOTRUESCOTSMAN. Hot LINKS (have I ever seen hot links on a menu?)? STU Cook? Sheesh. I didn't know Homer gave Marge an ONIONRING, lol.
I'm not sure I understand the STRAW MAN thing in the bio...
Colin
Everything about the NW corner was completely wrong: starting with IZZATSO (???). Make every clue super-obscure. I spent more time starring at that 5x5 area than the rest of the puzzle combined. I guess one of the hallmarks of the Joel Fagliano era is going to be torture in the NW. For reasons I guess.
ReplyDeleteMy husband is constantly lecturing everyone in my household (and on social media) about logical fallacies, so I enjoyed the theme. No True Scotsman was my favorite, as it has such an evocative name. I only remembered Post Hoc Ergo Propter Hoc because it was the title of a West Wing episode!
ReplyDeleteThat said, while I enjoyed the theme more than Rafa, the rest of the puzzle fell pretty flat for me. Immediately got off on a bad foot with “LOADS UP” (when just loads would do and be more in the language) and cemented by IZZATSO, YHEAR, and NBAERS (what an ugly word. And not really anything anyone says).
Looking back, the rest of the puzzle was pretty inoffensive, but a very mixed experience in the end.
Related to the theme are the following: IZZATSO, NAIVETE, ITISNT…
ReplyDeleteI'm among the (few?) fans. I loved learning about the NO TRUE SCOTSMAN FALLACY and the meaning of POST HOC ERGO PROPTER HOC and SATORI. I was also astonished to learn that Barbie is a Badger! So, a Sunday of learning things, which I enjoyed. And, perhaps just because of the way my crosses fell, it felt easy. No TUTS from me today.
ReplyDelete@Anonymous 2:43 - As I solved, I found myself singing to myself, "UP, UP, UP past the Russell Hotel, UP, UP, UP, UP to the Heaviside Layer" from Cats.
Ugh. I lost my streak to no fault of my own. I use the game app on my ipad. After being sure I had done it correctly and checking many times, I threw in the towel and had the app check the puzzle. It said the O in SUMO was incorrect. But when I asked for the correct fill it said O. So I replaced the O with an O and the happy music played that the puzzle was correct
ReplyDeleteHas that happened to anyone else?
Life goes on
Same complaint. NW was very tough and IZZATSO ruined this puzzle for me. Also, NBAERS???
ReplyDeleteI didn't like this puzzle. I didn't like the theme, I didn't like the fill & I have no idea how (or why) I finished it :(
ReplyDeleteWorst Sunday in recent memory. IZZATSO isn't a thing and if the creator can't finish their puzzle with real words, it should have made the scrap heap. Boo.
ReplyDeleteAgreed
DeleteRafa’s reviews are a delight, and today, the only good thing about this puzzle.
ReplyDeleteRUBSOUT PRICK? IZZATSO!
ReplyDelete(I APPEALTOAUTHORITY why my earlier post was not, Yknow, posted! Y’all come back now, YHEAR?)
I was familiar with all the logical fallacies in the puzzle, and filled them in with few to no crosses; including "NO TRUE SCOTSMAN" which I typed in from the clue with zero crosses -- which made the NW corner a bit easier than it was for Rafa. But still difficult.
ReplyDeleteMaybe the fact that I was a debater in HS and College acquainted me with the logical fallacies which debaters love to find in the opponents arguments! Everyone in the debate world knew all these fallacies (and others) by their names. Including "begging the question", which I hoped would be included in the puzzle. "Begging the question" has fallen prey to lazy language evolution, and has come to imply "leads to the question". But properly, it refers to a very specific logical fallacy, in which an argument's premise is assumed to be factual. I lament that it has fallen into such abuse by language assassins who do not know what it means!!!
I liked this puzzle, even though “no true Scotsman” was new to me. I was surprised to Google and see that it only goes back to the 1960s - I had thought maybe it was Shakespearean from “Macbeth,” lol.
ReplyDeleteAlso, I’m no Trumper by any stretch but was shocked that “shot at/aimed for” didn’t get changed or at least reclued.
DNF because of the NE corner. Confidently threw down Ghana for 14A, and was blind to any other answer. Which made all the Downs impossible. Cavatappi didn't fit in 21A so I grudgingly allowed for ROTINI. Wasn't fooled by the clue for Mr. Mars.
ReplyDeleteNever, ever heard of MII (not a gamer) and never heard of a poker player being called a NIT, which made the section even more ungettable.
I thought the theme was interesting and well done and the clues were well composed. Even though I've never heard of NOTRUESCOTSMAN.
Omg I had GHANA there for the longest time, too!
Deletethe real themes are
ReplyDelete- how many clues can be written with “perhaps”, “maybe”, “?”
- how many UPs can be in the grid
the answer is each case is way too many. the grid is all chopped up, and the theme clues are insultingly meta as though to make up for how bad the overall experience was.
Puzzle was okay except for NW corner as discussed. Never heard of NOTRUESCOTSMAN. Yukon Cornelius says "Mush!" In Rudolph! :)
ReplyDeleteSuper proud of myself for finishing this without a mistake. Had never heard of NO TRUE SCOTSMAN so had to try letter by letter to get that since the crosses were no help (no idea on SUMER or TAT) and then had a little epiphany like I had heard it somewhere before. Couldn't believe IZZATSO was a thing, I guess because it's not, but the crosses left no other option. Had never heard of the whole center HOC phrase, so needed every cross there. Lots of stray letters that needed to be corrected at the end, finishing with ERENOW because I wasn't sure of COE and originally had AhS and SATORI sounded familiar but wasn't sure about it, but got there in the end. Enjoyed the struggle. 35:17
ReplyDeleteThe puztheme wasn't quite the humorous-ahar-moments type that I prefer in a SunPuz, but it *was* kinda interestin. And I thoroughly enjoyed the CIRCULAREASONING clue.
ReplyDeletestaff weeject pick: MII. 1002's worth of avatar meat.
best SUSword: YHEAR. Spent a lotta time [seemed like a yhear's worth?] tryin to decode that puppy. Oh, the poor nanoseconds! honrable mention to IZZATSO.
some fave stuff: LETSPARTY. ONIONRING & its clue. WISCONSIN [where M&A soon heads out to, for a long vacay]. Primo high U-count.
Don't recall many ?-marker clues, today. Puz tried to stay mostly logical, I reckon.
Thanx, Mr. Ewbank dude. Nicely illogical puztheme.
Masked & Anonymo15Us
**gruntz**
I like it - the constructor made a theme that is self-critical, IN FUN. Pokes fun at not only himself but also the NYT (as a false authority).DAREing. But what is this NOT RUES COTS MAN?
ReplyDeleteI was disappointed not to get a @Rex review today, but the commentary has made UP for it. Nice UP riff from @Roo, risque @Egsisms for a Sunday, @pablo’s “election season bingo card” just to name a few. Thanks, all!
So the UP dupes have been duly noted but what about STAT, TAT and the related directive?*
I went to a beer festival and didn’t hear a single GLUG.
BRUNO PESO ONO REO SUMO sounds like another themer.
At first I raised a brow at IZZATSO and Y’HEAR, but they’re growing on me. They fit the cheekiness of the puzzle perfectly. “IZZAT SO? Don’t gimme none o’ yore sass, young’un - jes’ do like you’s told, Y’HEAR?”
But OH ME, don’t get me started on the sports terminology. Hockey commentators may say GOAL but they cry, “Score!” And, as a MALamute mom, I’ve read a lot about and watched MUSHing. Real-life MUSHers usually let the dogs start with something like “Hike!” or “Alright!” or “Ready!” rather than MUSH.
One more NIT - NBAERS. And NIT, as clued.
Overall it was a FUN SLIPPERY SLOPE SPREE, so thanks, Mr. Ewbank. LET’S PARTY, WISCONSIN!
*SHO TAT
II completely agree with those who've said "her" was bad, not a thing. Some one said it needed to be "yahear" Agree.
ReplyDeleteBut Izzatso?
I got that off the iz. Just came to mind. Have obviously heard it many times.
Thanks Lewis for the comment on "lei". I never did figure out the answer and did not notice it as it filled from crosses. Agree the cue was clever Actually as I read the comments I'm remembering there were quite a few clever clues and delightful words. So I enjoyed it more than I remembered when writing my first comment.
Amusing to me that other commenters knew "mush" mainly from Sgt. Preston.
Considering all the easterners who've come to Anchorage to be Iditariders I would have expected some of you to be familiar with the Iditarod race and know the term" mush" from "musher" which all the human racers are called.
Couldn't finish this one without a little cheating but with 100+ clues I don't mind a handful I don't connect with. Overall it felt big and gooey, I really enjoyed it.
ReplyDeleteSome great trivia especially! Loved learning that Barbie is from WISCONSIN, and remembering Marge's ONION engagement RING.
OHME is definitely the opposite of bien, but that's ok.
this is no true crossword puzzle. what a stinker.
ReplyDeleteWell said @Lewsi!! (Hours ago….at 6:42) I loved this puzzle!
ReplyDeleteAs a formal logician, let me assure you that none of these are true logical fallacies. They're just stupid arguments or assertions. Probably mostly made by stupid people.
ReplyDeleteI thought puzzle was stupid. Not hard just stupid led by no true Scotsman
ReplyDeleteThis abomination is a complete return to the beginning of the Fagliano era. Jeez. Just so flipping bad.
ReplyDeleteOK all, here's the beginning of the wikipedia entry:
ReplyDeleteNo true Scotsman or appeal to purity is an informal fallacy in which one attempts to protect an a posteriori claim from a falsifying counterexample by covertly modifying the initial claim.[1][2][3] Rather than admitting error or providing evidence that would disqualify the falsifying counterexample, the claim is modified into an a priori claim in order to definitionally exclude the undesirable counterexample.[4] The modification is signalled by the use of non-substantive rhetoric such as "true", "pure", "genuine", "authentic", "real", etc.[2]
Philosophy professor Bradley Dowden explains the fallacy as an "ad hoc rescue" of a refuted generalization attempt.[1] The following is a simplified rendition of the fallacy:[5]
Person A: "No Scotsman puts sugar on his porridge."
Person B: "But my uncle Angus is a Scotsman and he puts sugar on his porridge."
Person A: "But no true Scotsman puts sugar on his porridge."
I didn't have a problem with Mt. Dana because I am currently reading "Guardians of the Valley" by Dean King. Recommended.
I love that (occasional NYT crossword answer) Trixie Mattel is also a Wisconsinite.
ReplyDeleteI romped through the lower half first, really enjoying it - got horribly stuck in NW and DNF.
ReplyDeleteI also hate NBAERS and that's nothing to do with my not watching sports.
Never got YHEAR because I confidently wrote in clEAR and never checked; that's because I solve on paper. but agree YHEAR is horrible.
And now I also need to look up NO TRUE SCOTSMAN.
Finished it without cheating, somehow, in the magazine section of the paper. Never heard of POSTHOCERGOPROPTERHOC, but it never heard of me, either. The theme was interesting, but not consistent in relating clues to answers.
ReplyDeleteCan someone explain to me how NOTRUESCOTSMAN fits with the clue?. Thanks in advance
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“No True Scotsman” is a logical fallacy that is a subtype of the “Shifting the Goal Posts” fallacy. It involves illicitly changing the definition of a category so as to exclude a specific instance and/or defend one’s definition. The name comes from the archetypal example which runs something like “No Scotsman puts sugar on his porridge” “But my Uncle Hamish does” “Well, no true Scotsman puts sugar on his porridge.”
DeleteThe clue for 22A, [All crossword fans love this puzzle; anyone who doesn’t love this puzzle can’t be a *real* crossword fan!] is a pretty clear cut example of No True Scotsman - the category of crossword fans is being illicitly modified so as to exclude people who don’t like this puzzle from the category, thus (fallaciously) defending the quality of the puzzle.
I agree that the only LOGICAL FALLACY in the bunch is CIRCULAR REASONING. The rest, save one, are just weak arguments that are insufficient by themselves to establish whether a statement or conclusion is true or false.
ReplyDeletePOST HOC ERGO PROPTER HOC, for example, might be true: I press a button on the remote and the TV channel changes. Therefore pressing that button causes the channel to change. Yep, true. It might also be false: I turn my baseball cap around and my team comes from behind and wins. Therefore turning my cap around brings good fortune to my team. Nope, false.
I think that the outlier that doesn't fit the theme is SLIPPERY SLOPE. Isn't that just more of a poor decision than a LOGICAL FALLACY? It seems more like a way of resolving an issue or problem that will inevitably lead to further, maybe even worse problems? I think that the "close enough for crosswords" rationalization for a factually questionable clue or grid entry is an example. If the close enough statement is accepted then at what point does close enough become no longer close enough? Who is to make that call? Seems best to not start down that SLIPPERY SLOPE in the first place.
Surprised that Rafa didn’t mention NBAERS on the list of clunkers - what a horrible entry. Not quite to IZZATSO level, but still. Liked the puzzle otherwise and absolutely shocked at how many people have never heard of NOTRUESCOTSMAN.
ReplyDeleteNever heard of "no true Scotsman"!!
ReplyDeleteWe docs (although we're supposed to know Latin) substitute for the "post hoc ergo propter hoc" fallacy, the simple mantra: "association is not causation" (although of course sometimes it is). By the way, it's a good (and non-judgmental) rule in all walks of life
ReplyDeleteMany bad nyt puzzles in last two years... THIS IS THE WORST!!! ESPECIALLY FOR sunday .. WTF
ReplyDeleteTerrible sunday., ewbank should go back to dating game on tv.
ReplyDeleteAwful. No fun
ReplyDeleteTtp. What never heard of that? That means truly terrible puzzle. If you have never studied logical fallacies or Latin good luck with major clues . Had to slog my way through and no true Scotsman? Really????? Also the fill was terrible! Boring no aha moments just awful . Please do not publish anything like this again . Waste of a good Sunday .
ReplyDeleteI felt like I was taking a test while solving this puzzle. I taught critical thinking for several semesters and never ran across the "No true Scotsman" fallacy in my research.
ReplyDeleteLeft out my favorite logical fallacy: Proof by Vigorous Assertion, or as the proponents would call it, "Faith." This is the method behind such pseudosciences as Astrology, as well unfortunately as most of the world's established religions.
ReplyDeleteNBAERS was particularly awful.
ReplyDeleteWhy not have MBAERS? - Jethro Bodine and others.
(For the culturally-deprived, Max Baer Jr. played Jed Clampett’s nephew on the Beverly Hillbillies Elegy Trilogy, Part I)
Liked this puzzle!
ReplyDeleteStunned at the vitriol directed at it.
Anoa Bob post hoc ergo prompter hoc is not concerned with whether a statement is true or false , but whether the reasoning is good or bad.
IZZATSO is a thing people! Just because you never heard of it doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. Common logical fallacy on this blog. Look how many people here said they heard of it.
YHEAR has been in the puzzle before. That’s why I had no trouble with it. Haven’t seen the spelling outside of crosswords but I am sure some people use it. Good enough for me.
However it is spelled as noted it did appear in the Beverly Hillbllies theme.
Living on the west coast bugs me because of the time zone. I have been here since March, and am still running on Central Time. Add that my biorhythms really never adjust to daylight savings time, and I'm just a mess. Today's puzzle took me all day to pick up, put it down, rinse repeat - multiple times. I did finish without cheats.
ReplyDeleteI usually look forward to a tough Sunday, especially one with a goofy theme. Well, this one was tough, but the theme (as so many have mentioned) was just a list. It was a list of things I knew all but one of, but kind of "so what?" NO TRUE SCOTSMAN was new, and I found it off-putting if I understand its connection to the clue. Again, like so many today, I found IZZATSO just made up fill. I cry foul on the editors because I can truly feel how difficult this puzzle was to construct, I liked most of it, and give props to John Ewbank's creativity and humor. Some really good clues that forced me to think, go away for a while, come back and get a really satisfying "aha!"
Any West Wing fans in the neighborhood? Although I knew this LOGICAL FALLACY long before the show, I remember that one episode was titled with POST HOC ERGO PROPTER HOC. I also remember watching the show during the Bush era thinking that surely the nation can't get in more trouble than this! Alas, so wrong.
I love the OKAPI; it looks like it's constructed of spare parts from a zebra, horse, mule, and maybe a deer, but it's also beautiful and graceful. I remember a trip we took to the San Diego Wild Animal Park when our daughter was about 9. It is a marvelous place where all the animals have so much room to roam the hills and valleys that they seem not to mind the people in the big trams who pass through their territory. Our daughter read from the book we brought with us, and misread OKAPI to be Okipa with the emphasis on the first syllable OKI'pa. She was certain that they came from Oklahoma and that's (in her kid-reasoning) why the nickname for Oklahomans is Okis, she saying that the nickname "must have come from the fact that the Oklahoma settlers in the Land Run came from all over and so Okis are all different kinds of people, just like Okipas have lots of different markings and things." I am only able to quote this, because I was in high "Mom Mode" on this trip and still have the margin notes I wrote in the book we brought. To this very day, each time I respond to a crossword clue with OKAPI it takes me a beat not to misspell it.
Finally finished, enjoyed the struggle, and look forward from more from Mr. Ewbank. And of course I look forward to reading the blog and comments here. Thanks for filling in, Rafa. Good job. And on to Monday.
I loved the puzzle and found it so much fun! I looked forward to figuring out the expressions. I like an “erudite” puzzle. I’m also OK with odd spellings. Language is varied and English is so rich.
ReplyDeleteYou must be in San Francisco land of microclimates. We are a little south of the city and drove further south into the warmth as well.
ReplyDeleteThought the puzzle was fun but I’d also never heard of Scotsman.
I still can’t believe my placeholder ICEE ended up being the right answer.
ReplyDeletenice puzzle John Ewbank. i love "No true scostsman".
ReplyDeleteRafa- Izzatso is fine. it's in urban dictionary. https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Izzatso
it took me a while to grok 74 across YHEAR. i actually had UHEAR. i don't know i guess it's fine but it felt annoying at first.
I can remember sitting on a dock at the lake in the late 50's with my father (who was considered quite the wit). Dusk was falling and the stillness was only disturbed by the slap of fish jumping out of the water.
ReplyDelete'Hush, you muskies", he roared, which sent an immediate 45 down through all of the assembled.
You had to be there I guess, and if you're under 70 - you weren't...
Kierkegaard
ReplyDeleteIs hard,
But Nietzsche
Is peachy.
So goes my Ogden Nash impersonation. Ah, Philosophy & Logic! Careful, the nightmares might start UP again!
Interesting puzzle that pokes fun at itself. Most unfortunate that there was an EKE sighting; that's a stroke. But for that, a sure bird. Par.
Wordle par.
Hearty congrats to Olympic Gold Medal winner (again!) Scottie Scheffler, who fired a 62 in the last round for the win. WTG, Scottie!
I've noticed that a number of bloggers with a philosophical bent, have said that some of the themers are not what they say they are. Does that make them illogical fallacies or fallacious truisms?
ReplyDeleteAsking for a friend. 😁
Liked @Spacey's poem - better than the puz? Well...I'll admit that the NE corner defeated me. Mea culpa.
ReplyDeleteLady Di
Sgt. Preston, his dog King and his horse Rex mush into a bar. The bartender looks up and says, "Hey Sarge, why the long face?"
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