Relative difficulty: Easy
Theme answers:
This is one of those puzzles that give you bad vibes right out of the gate. In this case, the bad vibes started with STENOG, which kind of made me wince, followed by INOIL and then ALOP, which had me pausing, sighing exhaustedly, "so it's gonna be one of these puzzles," doubling over a little, that sort of thing. When the fill is that bad that early and that intensely, in such a small space, Nothing Good Is Coming. I exaggerate—"IT WAS ME" is up there too, and that answer is good—but when you get "ugh" fill right up front, in numbers greater than one, that's a sign. And once again, the sign was not wrong. Thankfully, the fill never got that intensely rough again, but neither did it get above average very often (and there was still ONRED and the absurd plural ODIUMS to come). And as for the theme: it's a one-note variation on a trick I've seen before (answer goes up, over, down again). In this case, I sussed it out very early, with THE IRON LADY—a complete gimme, and easy to get even if you've never heard of the movie (that was Thatcher's well-known nickname). THE IRON LADY wouldn't fit, but the two gray squares above that answer were like "hey, maybe put two of the letters here," so I did, and that was that. Shortly thereafter, with just the "MP" in place, I got BUMP IN THE ROAD, then looked up and saw that the "NL" in THEIRONLADY was in fact a kind of "bump" directly above "ROAD." But surely not all the "bumps" were going to be right over "ROAD"—that would be giving too much of the game away ... and. yet:
- THE IRO(N L)ADY (16A: 2011 Margaret Thatcher biopic)
- RO(PE)-A-DOPE (24A: Defensive boxing strategy)
- PETRO(GR)AD (44A: Saint Petersburg, once)
- TRO(UB)ADOURS (52A: Musicians of the middle ages)
The rope-a-dope is a boxing fighting technique in which one contender leans against the ropes of the boxing ring and draws non-injuring offensive punches, letting the opponent tire themself out. This gives the former the opportunity then to execute devastating offensive punches to help them win. The rope-a-dope is most famously associated with Muhammad Ali in his October 1974 Rumble in the Jungle match against world heavyweight champion George Foreman in Kinshasa, Zaire. [...] The maneuver is most commonly associated with the match between Muhammad Ali and George Foreman, known as "The Rumble in the Jungle". Foreman was considered by many observers to be the favorite to win the fight due to his superior punching power. Ali purposely angered Foreman during the match, provoking Foreman to attack and force him back on the ropes. Some observers at the time thought that Ali was being horribly beaten and worried that they might see him get killed in the ring. Writer George Plimpton described Ali's stance as like "a man leaning out his window trying to see something on his roof." Far from being brutalized, however, Ali was relatively protected from Foreman's blows. Norman Mailer described the advantage of Ali's rope-a-dope this way: "Standing on one's feet it is painful to absorb a heavy body punch even when blocked with one's arm. The torso, the legs, and the spine take the shock. Leaning on the ropes, however, Ali can pass it along; the rope will receive the strain." Ali's preparation for the fight, which involved toughening himself up by allowing his sparring partners to pummel him, contributed to observers' sense that Ali was outmatched. But Ali took advantage and won the match when Foreman became tired from the punches he was delivering. (wikipedia)
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The cluing is pretty flat today, and I didn't even have any interesting / fun / embarrassing mistakes. I did think "classic NYTXW timing!" when the debut of RISHI Sunak arrived just days after He Is No Longer Prime Minister. "Is he bygone yet? Just say when! Now? Perfect! Bring out RISHI!" (We still have yet to see SUNAK). Anyway, good riddance to that guy. Side note: while today was the debut of RISHI Sunak, it was not the debut of RISHI itself. RISHI has appeared five other times dating back to 1986 (three times under Maleska, twice under Shortz), each time clued as [Hindu sage] (though Maleska added "or poet" one time). Speaking of Prime Ministers, look for KEIR and (to a lesser extent, I assume) STARMER very soon ... or, if the NYTXW is on brand, far in the future, only after Keir Starmer has left office and is no longer relevant.
Man, the more I look at STENOG, the uglier it gets (3D: Court figure, for short). I've only ever seen it in crosswords. Somehow I can accept STENO, as I've actually heard the term used, mainly in the phrase "STENO pool," and the word itself doesn't sound terrible. But add that "G" and yikes, now it rhymes with "hog" and that is not great. I mean, just say it; you sound like a braying donkey, "sten-OG, sten-OG, sten-OG!" The answer is ever-so-slightly redeemed today by the fact that it crosses LEGAL (which creates a kind of thematic partnership), but if the choice is between partially redeemed STENOG and no STENOG at all, choose "B" every time. I have already mentally changed the answer to ST. ENOG. I don't know why that's better, but it is. I think ST. ENOG is who you pray to when you want all the bad answers to go away. When you want bad answers G, O, N, E ... call on E, N, O, G! Help me ST. ENOG, you're my only hope!
Bullets:
- 21A: Katniss's partner in "The Hunger Games" (PEETA) — how much longer am I going to be expected to retain "Hunger Games" lore? Too many universes to keep track of. I did remember PEETA, but it took some memory-jarring (i.e. some crosses).
- 1D: Kind of projection (ASTRAL) — this was, bizarrely, the first answer I got. I don't even really know what it is, but if you Match Game me with "___ projection," I'm giving you ASTRAL every time.
- 1A: They're made in the kitchen and not the gym, it's said (ABS) — Bro. Bro. Brah. Bruh. Do you even lift? (srsly by whom is this "said" and why are they not embarrassed?) (I'm at the gym at least twice a week and thankfully no one has ever "said" this to or near me) (ugh, apparently the phrase is "popular" in the "fitness community") (the idea is that diet, not (primarily) exercise, is the key to defined / visible ABS).
- 12D: Scratch (out) (EKE) — hey, it's the 100th EKE of the week! Everybody gets a prize! (sadly, that prize is another EKE, coming tomorrow). Actually, there have been only (only?) eight EKEs in the Fagliano Era (i.e. in the past four months) (that's six EKEs, one EKES, and one EKED). But eight EKEs ... still feels like I'm being pummeled with EKEs.
- 36A: Bad thing to be caught on (TAPE) — not necessarily. Depends on what you're saying or doing. What are you saying or doing!?
See you next time.
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Mostly agree with OFL but respected the PEETA PITA dupe
ReplyDeleteI found the puzzle hard, mostly because it took me a long time to get the theme but also because certain answers, like Stenog and Alop, kept seeming like they shouldn’t be. But even so, I thought it would be a better puzzle without greying in the bump squares. If I’d been less clueless, they would have helped give me the theme right away, just like they did for Rex. It’s more fun to have to figure it out.
ReplyDeleteOof.
ReplyDeleteJust flat out did not enjoy this one, even a bit. The theme answers, as Rex said, fell quickly and easily. Kinda cute. Whatever. It was the non-theme dreck that just ruined it. ODIUMS? ALOP?
Oof.
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I wonder if I was the only one who put in leninGRAD instead of PETROGRAD. I didn’t see that the BUMPs were all over the word ROAD until I came here. Now I can’t believe I didn’t notice that. I could not figure out why the downs were not working there. I only had FRETS in the SW corner. “What the hell loan starts with IE?” “GNT— for April Fool’s Day???” Took a while to work that out.
ReplyDeleteRex, St. Enog is a classic. Please keep that one in the rotation, along with natick, kealoa and oxteplerrnon (if I have that last on right). Thanks also for linking to the explanation for ROPE A DOPE. I never understood that until now. The rope absorbs the intensity of the blows! I get it now! Although if I was Ali’s coach and he explained his strategy to me, I would have said, “BAD IDEA.” Thanks also for the Gene Rayburn clip. Boy, he was practically mauling that poor lady.
Two nice clues in “Living off the land” for OUT TO SEA and “Opens up to the doctor” for SAYS AH. (Drop the “in a way” from the clue - unnecessary.)
@Wanderlust 6:15
Delete🤚 👋 for leninGRAD before PETROGRAD.
Got the bump part right away with Thatcher, but did not see that each bump was over its own ROAD until coming here.
Didn't dislike it as much as OFL, but def agreed that STENOG is not a thing, they're STENOs.
Most trouble in the ROPEADOPE PEETA area, not familiar with the boxing term, although having entered it a faint bell rang, and PEETA was lost to time... further confused by OUTatSEA, which I think is a better answer to the clue... but eventually it all came together.
I absolutely had Leningrad in there first (and it was the answer that gave me the theme even though the answer was wrong, because you only needed the GRAD to get the theme). And then it was the last part of the puzzle that I finished because I had never heard of Petrograd and I refused to take Leningrad out for the longest time because it was a perfectly correct answer for the clue. *sigh*
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ReplyDeleteI got the theme at 16A and after that it was just an easy themeless.
Overwrites:
2D: BE sAfE before BEHAVE
44A: lenin[GR]AD before PETROGRAD (Hi, @Wanderlust!), but 39D had to be GOT YA
WOEs:
I didn't know that groundhogs live in DENs (53D), but Punxsatawney didn't fit. Didn't know PEETA (21A) either, since I didn't/don't follow the HG franchise.
Between the “bumps” not meaning anything independently and the unshaded parts of the themers not forming real words, the whole thing is kind of… bleh.
ReplyDeleteI dropped from THEIRONLADY down to PETROGRAD, and seeing NL and GR in the shaded boxes made me hope that the revealer would do something with country codes.
I caught on to the theme with PETROGRAD, knew Margaret Thatcher was the IRONLADY, but needed guesswork to get RISHI. Never heard of ALOP or PEETA, and don't know why ABS are made in the kitchen.
ReplyDeleteThe bottom half of the puzzle was easier than the top half. It feels good to solve a Thursday without cheating.
They say six-pack abs are 80% diet, 20% working out.
DeleteWell I must be 80% there!
DeleteSTENOG is brutal. ALOP brutaler.
ReplyDeleteAgree, theme pretty easy to grok @ first themer. Don’t much care for the add/subtract letter themes that don’t begin and end with legitimate words. Looking at a finished grid with nonsense entries (i.e., TROADHOURS) had better be the result of something spectacular. This wasn’t.
Agree with Rex, that maybe, just maybe, if the “bump” letters actually spelled something or had some other related meaning, this could be saved. But nope, just random letters. Obviously the result of very restricted theme conceit (answers that contain “ROAD” split in half by 2 letters). So with that in mind, this constructor’s debut really needed some more editorial support than it got, imo.
Brilliant stroke in The Hunger Games to name the baker “Peeta”.
ReplyDeleteThere must be a fair number of people who don’t know British politics nor boxing, who will end up with nOPEADOPE or something like that. But for us old timers who remember the Rumble in the Jungle, no problem.
Nice idea, should have run on Tuesday. Could definitely have lived without some of the fill esp. ODIUMS.
Please - someone enlighten me as to what ALOP means ? I searched a bunch of sites and couldn’t find anything that resembles “off-kilter”.
ReplyDeleteA bit of a weird inversion today as the theme was the star of the show (at least initially) - and the rest of it, well, was a struggle. CLUCK is legit, but seems like a bit of a stretch with that clue. Unfortunately it’s just above PEETA, so the NE didn’t look pretty for me. The SE was another area where I suffered a complete meltdown - I had no chance at ODIUMS, and of course I don’t know my PORTICO from my PORTICa. Then to make a complete disaster of that section, I had a total brain freeze on TROUBADOURS. It was there, locked in the recesses of my brain, but just wouldn’t reveal itself.
A bit of a disappointment since we had a theme/gimmick on a Thursday that I could handle for a change, but just couldn’t close out the deal. But this one’s on me - give us more Thursday’s like this and I’ll be happy (except for ALOP).
Rex "hit the nail on the head" today
ReplyDeleteRoad bumps is a fitting theme from one with a degree in civil engineering, as today’s constructor has, according to his notes.
ReplyDeleteI’ve done puzzles before with theme answers that require the bumpy gyration that today’s have, but what makes today’s stand out to me is that the bumps are over a particular word (ROAD). That’s a variation I don’t remember seeing before.
Furthermore, each of the bumps is directly centered over ROAD, that is, over the letters OA, which had to make the construction even tougher.
This is also a tight theme; I don’t think we’re going to see many alternative theme answers in the comments today. It’s also original – there’s never been a bump-in-the-road theme in any of the major crossword venues. In fact, BUMP IN THE ROAD is a debut answer not only in the Times, but in any of the major crossword venues.
So, tight theme, lovely execution, and original. But, most importantly, how was the solve? I found it to be a lovely mix of footholds and resistance. Satisfied my brain’s work ethic in some places, brought the delight of quick figure-outs in others.
So, a splendid outing, for which I’m grateful. Bravo, and high congratulations on your debut, Mat!
did not find it easy. No clue on PEETA and PETROGRAD??? STENOG was real bad
ReplyDeleteI figured out the raised letters gimmick for three of the themers but it wasn’t until I got the revealer that I saw that they all contained ROAD. Nice!
ReplyDeleteALOP? No thanks. But I actually like STENOG despite Rex’s rant.
I got ASTRAL so fast that I thought it was wrong and didn’t put it in.
Rex is right about some of the fill (ALOP? ODIUMS?) but I thought the theme was nifty because of the ROAD trick and I had a fun time.
I think getting a BUMP on each ROAD is a pretty good feat of construction. Some of the fill is dicey and maybe could have been improved, but is mostly inferable. For some reason had trouble with two of the lower downs—PORTICO and UPSTROKE. ROPEADOPE is famous but in hindsight sadly a disaster.
ReplyDeleteI loved 1A so much and then didn't enjoy most of what followed. Put me down for LENIN... before PETRO... which really gummed up the works.
ReplyDeleteFirst answer that jumped out at me was TROUBADOURS, which of course didn't fit, and made me wonder if the Times knew TROuvereS; but put in the TRO. And that gave me enough of the SW corner I figured out the bump and was off and running. Didn't get to that awful NW corner till the very end, so in general for most of the solving it seemed like a pretty pleasant romp.
ReplyDeleteI flagged IT WAS ME in the margins because of course the grammatically correct form would be IT WAS i.... Would anyone actually say that? Get yourself hated not only for having done the terrible thing but also for being an insufferable grammatical prig.
@Fall River 8:48
DeleteMy dad, who was an educated non-native speaker of English, although you would never have known that to hear him, could be a tad pedantic, and IT WAS I came up pretty frequently. He was mostly prescriptive, whereas I've always tended towards the descriptive, believing that language is for communication, so do what works. Definitely how I taught ESL (now known as ENL: English as a New Language).
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DeleteIt is I is arguably NOT grammatically correct
Let me explain
For a millennium, English speakers went about their lives saying and writing it is me with full confidence it was perfectly good English
English had always fairly loose with its rules But in the 18th Century, when well educated people all knew Latin, some academics who sadly had no knowledge of the history and study of language decided to impose Latin rules on English. Made no sense then or now. Latin is structurally a very different language from English after all.
FWIW French , which is structurally much more like English than Latin has no trouble saying c’est moi.
Hey All !
ReplyDeleteFigured out all the Themers would have ROAD in them under their BUMPs, so that helped with fill. Too bad the highlighted letters couldn't spell something. That'd been neat. The last two are GRUB.
NLPE GRUB. Hmm...
Liked this puz. Just GOOFY enough to be fun. Had TROUBADOreS spelt thusly, causing a hold-up in the SE. Was thinking METers for METRIC, but clue wasn't in the plural. I had a suspicion that ODIUMS had to fit, so relooked at TROUBADOreS, said, "Ah, maybe it's DOURS", changed it, and Viola, got METRIC and then the Happy Music.
So not a BAD IDEA puz. Didn't have me OUT TO SEA for long
Try not to be too ALOP today. Har. Happy Thursday!
Three F's
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I may have learned PETROGRAD as a middle schooler reading Ayn Rand's first (and least odious) novel, "We the Living," which has what I think is one of the best first lines of any novel in the English language: "Petrograd smelt of carbolic acid."
ReplyDeleteNotes from the chief egoistic muser.
ReplyDeleteIf you're a chicken, CLUCK is far more than disapproval. It's fine to be caught on tape if you're an envelope. ALOP hit its stride in 1830, but nothing else has been tilted in that way since. Helpful driving tip, you can turn right ON GREEN too.
[Farthermost]? This doesn't seem like a word to me.
Propers: 6
Places: 1
Products: 4
Partials: 7
Foreignisms: 2
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Gary's Grid Gunk Gauge: 20 (27%)
Recipes: 1 (beta)
Funnyisms: 4 🙂
Tee-Hee: At the speed at which tennis moves, I can imagine a need for a line judge to yell IT'S OUT, but I have a hard time imagining them yelling IT'S IN during the course of play. On the other hand, IT'S IN is the excited cry of collegians everywhere as they {pause for comedic moment where your lascivious mind supplies the wrong answer} submit their final exam.
Uniclues:
1 First choice photo for last-choice boys on eHarmony.
2 Production stage for The Dark Chickens' Revenge (in theaters everywhere this Halloween).
3 Fellow ariainator.
4 Worries in Bath, England.
5 Dog serenaders.
6 Keep your toes in line.
7 Balanced frackers.
8 Hatred on Havasu and disdain on the Dead.
9 What Americans did when it turned out we're too stupid for millimeters.
1 ABS-FISTS POSE
2 UNLIT CLUCK SET (~)
3 SOLOIST PEER
4 TUB CITY FRETS (~)
5 GOOFY TROUBADORES
6 BEHAVE BAREFOOT
7 LIBRAS IN OIL
8 OUT TO SEA ODIUMS
9 SCRAPPED METRIC
My Fascinating Crossword Uniclue Keepsake from Last Year: Swear jar filler. CUSSWORD STREAK.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Boo to OIDOUMS, but ALOP is very old-timey crosswordese so that was a blast from the past.
ReplyDeleteGot the revealer too early, as it was in the middle where it doesn't belong, and then the ROADS went in easily which was a big help. Actually thought of ROPEADOPE and TROUBADOURS right away, but they wouldn't fit until the gimmick showed up.
Most fun moment was remembering Jim Carey in "Liar Liar" in a crowded elevator, When everyone starts reacting to what was obviously a horrific but silent passage of gas, Carey's character, who is incapable of lying, loudly proclaims ITWASME !
OK Thursday with some pushback, which is OK by me. Mostly Straightforward, MS, and thanks for a fair amount of fun.
I tried AWRY where ALOP belonged, and that Y was stopping me from seeing BUMP IN THE ROAD. I had to fill in the SW and come back with BAREFOOT to get the B.
ReplyDeleteI actually typed in ODIUMS, and then took it out to fit in CALC at 50A.
Still wondering where Loren Muse Smith is. Miss her comments and wit! Hope she is OK.
ReplyDeleteSome crummy answers (ALOP!!) but a fun solve with an OK trick. Liked SAYSAH and CLUCK, genuinely had no problem with STENOG.
ReplyDeleteNobody is “expecting” anyone to remember Hunger Games characters! 2 of its crosses were theme letters and the other 3 were in super-ordinary downs.
Back to the normal grind of the Hidden Diagonal Word (HDW) enthusiast, after yesterday’s wonderful Wednesday word-feast (PYRENEES, etc.). But today’s grid does have a 5-letter HDW, and that’s always a good find—even if it does make use of the ubiquitous POC (plural of convenience). Here’s a clue for the HDW in question:
ReplyDeleteBaby bottle parts (answer below)
If you are a fan of misdirection clues, I offer this HDW clue: Gosling. The answer is not baby goose—it’s RYAN (begins with the R in 24D & moves to the NW)
Answer to the “Baby bottle” clue?
TEATS (start with the T in 18A, LITRE)
That 18A answer LITRE is host to not one but two Hidden Diagonal Words—the aforementioned TEATS, which moves to the SW, and the 3-letter LEO, which crosses TEATS moving to the SE. I got to wondering if perhaps that LEO might be a good match for one of our LIBRAS (30D), which led me to this juicy bit of astrology-related prose from Today.com:
LIBRA and LEO in love make a glamorous and exciting couple. They're likely going to look good together, since every opportunity to go out is an opportunity to make an impression. They relish in being seen. Intimacy is exciting, and they're willing to do the work to keep it so.
Oh my; looking that up might have been a BAD IDEA!
Rex is a fake he Googles for his answers
ReplyDeleteApparently
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doesn’t like periods
but likes to insult people for no reason
Many, many bass guitars are fretless—it is not at all a way to distinguish bass guitars and double basses (pickups, tuning machines, metal strings—those are not found on double basses)
ReplyDelete@Mike in Bed Stuy (8:56). One Hundred Years of Solitude has a great first sentence too. (I'll share it later.) Would love to hear any other faves out there.
ReplyDeleteI'll get to the triple Natick in a minute -- but other than that, I loved the puzzle. And, boy, was I happy to get to the revealer and see that ROAD thing: it was a huge help to me in more than one answer.
ReplyDeleteEspecially at 44A where I had stupidly written in LENINGRAD instead of PETROGRAD. So dumb! I was having a lot of trouble figuring out what that USPn calligraphy mark was going to be. I thought it must be some sort of initialism of maybe some sort of company.
My other big problem -- and, alas, it was right in the triple Natick area -- was having ?O?TED for the bonsai trees. ROOTED, maybe? All trees are rooted! Who would have thought of POTTED? I thought bonsai trees grew in the wild, just like God meant them to.
Unfortunately POTTED was in the PEETA/RISHI/PITT area -- and I had to cheat on the P of PEETA to finish the puzzle. (The less said about the PEETA/RISHI/PITT area, the better.)
But mostly a fun, challenging puzzle with excellent cluing. Enjoyed it.
Same experience as Rex. Gray squares gave it away at 16A, and once I had a couple crosses in place in the middle to see BUMP IN THE ROAD, the rest of the puzzle took about three minutes.
ReplyDeleteI'll get to the triple Natick in a minute -- but other than that, I loved the puzzle. And, boy, was I happy to get to the revealer and see that ROAD thing: it was a huge help to me in more than one answer.
ReplyDeleteEspecially at 44A where I had stupidly written in LENINGRAD instead of PETROGRAD. So dumb! I was having a lot of trouble figuring out what that USPn calligraphy mark was going to be. I thought it must be some sort of initialism of maybe some sort of company.
My other big problem -- and, alas, it was right in the triple Natick area -- was having ?O?TED for the bonsai trees. ROOTED, maybe? All trees are rooted! Who would have thought of POTTED? I thought bonsai trees grew in the wild, just like God meant them to.
Unfortunately POTTED was in the PEETA/RISHI/PITT area -- and I had to cheat on the P of PEETA to finish the puzzle. (The less said about the PEETA/RISHI/PITT area, the better.)
But mostly a fun, challenging puzzle with excellent cluing. Enjoyed it.
GR
ReplyDeleteRETROADE is how some are describing this puzzle.
Vanna, I'd like to buy AVOWALS.
Fun fact: Thatcher was a scratch golfer, even though she never used her woods. Hence THEIRONLADY.
They say that Latkes and ABS are made in the kitchen and not at the gym. I love me some ABS fried INOIL.
Pretty much on @Rex's wavelength today.
Agree this was a very easy Friday, except for crossing proper names in the NE upper right.
ReplyDeleteI did not find this easy; also struggled in the Northeast due to not knowing PEETA
ReplyDeleteCute puztheme, especially combined with its revealer. Not sure it was quite ThursPuz-tough to figure out, but still … pretty nice idea, IM&AO.
ReplyDeleteBut … Was amazed they highlighted the "bumps" with gray squares, on a Thursday. Seemed overly friendly-ish.
staff weeject pick: TUB. It had one of them UB bumps, packed neatly into a weeject compartment.
best SUSword: ALOP. har
favest thing: OUTTOSEA's clue. Superbly sneaky.
Thanx for the fun, bumps and all, Mr. Shelden dude. And congratz on yer debut.
Masked & Anonymo6Us
**gruntz**
Ya'll know that PETROGRAD is pretty much Ruskie for Peter's City, right?
ReplyDeleteTerrific! Great theme, beautifully carried out.
ReplyDeleteFor me, ALOP is true crosswordese. I've never seen it outside of crosswords. But, since I know it, it must have appeared often at one time. I'm trying to remember other obsolete crosswordese, like the first name of the old-time stage actress.
Easy-medium. I had problems spelling TROUBADOURS, did not remember RISHI, tried leninGRAD before PETROGRAD…so slightly slower than easy.
ReplyDeleteI got the theme early thanks to the shaded squares but I wasted more than a few nanoseconds trying to make the “bumps” do/mean something. Alas it was not to be.
I’m with @Rex on this one.
@Gary J -- You're right that a line judge would never cry out IT'S IN -- but the clue says it's the "tennis announcer" doing it, and tennis announcers never shut up; they talk over every point and tell you everything, especially things that have nothing to do with the match your watching. "IT'S IN", they'll say, just the way it was in in on set point in the fourth set of my 1978 match against Pete Sampras at the French. Sigh.
ReplyDeleteI see that many, many other people also put in LENINGRAD where PETROGRAD should have been. I'm feeling better about life.
Amen to all the people who have groused about ODIUMS -- perhaps the worst Plural of Convenience I've yet seen. Note to all constructors who do this: Yours will always be the worst POC I've ever seen because I won't remember any of the others. There was one perfectly atrocious POC last week or the week before that I called the worst POC I'd ever seen, but at this point I have no idea what it was. No, really.
Engagingly challenging for me, and I enjoyed figuring it all out. At the start, I didn't know that IRON LADY also had a "THE," so I went on to the next theme space and thought, "Too bad rope-a-dope won't fit." Only way down at TROUBADOUR did the light dawn, when that answer and the reveal popped into mind at the same time. Hats off to the constructor for fitting in those 5 ROADS! Since I solved from the bottom up, I had the pleasure of encountering PORTICO, OUT TO SEA, and the wonderful CLUCK before I reached the STENOG that so put @Rex off. Also nice: IT WAS ME x AVOWALS.
ReplyDelete@Mat Sheldon - This one was just-right tricky for me. Thank you for the fun.
Although my disdain for ALOP is in line with the vast majority of the group today, it did cause me to look up images of lop ear bunnies (whose ears, let's face it, are objectively off kilter), and they are so cute that it made the inclusion of the horrid "word" worthwhile. Google "lop ear bunny images" and prepare to smile.
ReplyDeleteRex, St. Enog is an instant classic, imo!
I enjoyed and respect the puzzle more than @Rex but he made some fair observations. Like @Wanderlust and others, I didn’t catch the fact that the “bumps” were actually on the ROAD portion of each themer until I read @Rex. I can be very lazy when it comes to figuring out every feature/trick in the theme. My hardest area was everything in the vicinity of PEETA. For some strange reason I thought it started with a P and briefly toyed with PEtrA before I thought, nah…that’s a city in the Middle East, but ROPEADOPE helped me out. And BTW…I wonder how many younger solvers would know ROPEADOPE. (Like Angelo DUNDEE)
ReplyDelete@Gary J…you probably HAVE heard a tennis announcer cry ITSIN in professional tennis after a player has challenged a human line judge call and they use the magic Rolex thingie…
Not all bass guitars have FRETS. Clue should have specified *some* bass guitars.
ReplyDeleteA WARNING TO ALL WORDLE PLAYERS: There's been Malware attached to that site since yesterday. It may affect you, it may not. But here's the email I just sent Tracy Bennett at the NYT:
ReplyDelete"Twice yesterday -- when I went to play Wordle -- but not on any other site I visited -- my screen was suddenly "locked up" and made unusable by some entity purporting to be "Microsoft", but isn't. No cursor; no ability to access any sites; and a loud robot voice telling you to call a "Microsoft" number flashing on the screen.
Fortunately, I knew what to do -- having had my handyman up to bail me out on a previous occasion when I completely panicked. (You hold down Alt, Ctrl, Delete at the same time and then "Sign out" when the message appears on a drop down menu.) But to anyone who doesn't know that, the situation is absolutely terrifying. It's a hostile takeover of your computer.
I tried Wordle again this morning and it happened again just now. I don't know what percentage of computers would be affected -- all? some? a tiny proportion? -- but I think you should ask everyone you're in touch with -- to go to their computers and click on the Wordle site and see what happens."
@jberg here, on my phone. What Rec said, plus leninGRAD. And I didn’t know PEETA.
ReplyDelete@Southside, think LOP-sided
My parent said BE NICE, then BE GOOD, as I set out on my journey. I came to a BEND IN THE ROAD, which was neither LEGIT nor LICIT. Around the bend, there was a SPA. I thought it was a BAD IDEA to name the SPA "PEETA's PITA PITT".
ReplyDeleteAnother for LENINGRAD …
ReplyDeleteAnd for also missing LMS
I liked it and then not so much. Then I liked it again but I'll be damned if the not so much fell in that PEETA PITT RISHI hole. I liked it began with THE IRON LADY bump....Then I flew down south to try and figure out how you spell TROUBADOURS. Another like. Oh, wait...The reveal is BUMP IN THE ROAD and I'm seeing a sneaky ROAD in the answers. Clap, clap.
ReplyDeleteI liked imagining a PET ROAD. No problem getting PETROGRAD. A TIP gave me the P. Last to go in was ROPE A DOPE. I kinda felt that way because you thought it clever to throw in a pile up of names in that area and I haven't heard that term since M ALI and what helped me get a grip was a clamp instead of a CLEAT and so I let out a couple of sighs.
The rest? ABS are made in the kitchen? I like @egs ABS fried INOIL. I don't know why it's bad to be caught on TAPE unless you're Nixon. The ATOMS joke made me groan out loud and I don't know why a CLUCK is a disapproving sound.
@Rex...fun write-up and I love your ST. ENOG G O N E. Oh, and @Wanderlust 6:51...You took the Gene Rayburn "practically mauling" out of my mouth. Ye gads. He sure was a touchy feely guy!.
@Nancy, I see “great minds think alike”…haha with @Gary J and tennis announcers.
ReplyDeleteI KNOW you do not like working the crossword with the App…BUT, methinks you have a “full subscription” to the NYT…puzzles and all, which are almost ALL on the app. In other words, I don’t think you’d have to pay because you get daily paper delivery to my recollection. At any rate, THEN you needn’t worry about the problem you (and maybe others) are experiencing accessing the puzzles through the web.
@Nancy I just went to Wordle to check it out & it didn't seem like anything was amiss. But thanks for the heads-up b/c this is scary. I got a similar message a while back from "MAC-OS. Unfortunately, I clicked on it. I learned the hard way - DO NOT CLICK ON ANYTHING. Just get out of there & shut down.
ReplyDeleteBack to the puzzle - I read Mat's comments on Wordplay. I'm glad he enjoyed constructing the puzzle. I, for one, did not enjoy doing it :(
Thursday is starting to become my least favorite day of the week.
Enough drama for one day!
At least some of the caveats here about "generational" bias might be misguided. An actor of the status of Cloris Leachman, or a seminal moment in athletic history like Ali's "Rope-a-Dope" strategy -- or, for that matter, a vocal artist like Edith Piaf, whose inclusion in a puzzle a few days ago was criticized for being too "Naticky" for younger solvers -- could be (and, I would argue, should be) considered a legitimate facet of our cultural history, every bit as much as a reference to Beethoven or Shakespeare, an athlete like Babe Ruth or Jesse Owens, or a "classic-era" jazz or pop artist like Louis Armstrong or Billie Holiday. I don't want to get bogged down in virtue-signaling debates about "high" vs. "low" culture or the desirability of having any kind of commonly-accepted cultural "canon," but I still think there are some things that a moderately aware and educated citizen of the world "should" know about (whether or not s/he is a sports fan, a jazz aficionado, or an adherent of any other specialized subculture), and "should" have in common with one's fellow citizens of the world.
ReplyDeleteWikipedia has a good list of crosswordese. The one I was thinking of is UTA. Uta Hagen was a celebrated stage actress of the mid-1900s.
ReplyDeleteI put in THEFELADY first, thinking the theme would be replacing element names with their symbols. That lasted about 8 seconds when FTWASME obviously wasn’t correct…
ReplyDeleteMe too!
DeleteFrom internet security website CSO Online last month:
ReplyDeleteNew York Times plays down impact of source code leak
@mathgent-My favorite no longer seen piece of crosswordese is ATLE, invariably clued as "salt tree". Haven't seen it in maybe fifty years.
ReplyDeleteWordle scam update:
ReplyDeleteThere's a fake website out there that's the first one you see when you type "Wordle" into your search bar. That's the culprit. Tracy Bennett emailed me with the official NYT website. I checked it and it's safe. Here it is:
https://www.nytimes.com/games/wordle/index.html
I don't know why the earlier link to the CSO article didn't work. Here's the full address:
ReplyDeletehttps://www.csoonline.com/article/2140389/new-york-times-plays-down-impact-of-source-code-leak.html
STENOG, ALOP, and ODIUMS. Yuk, yuk, and yuk.
ReplyDeleteITSIN at 58A seemed weird to me because I was thinking of a call by an official at a match and I thought they would probably just call “in”. Then I re-read the clue. Announcer, duh!
Knew Maggie should be THEIRONLADY )16A) but couldn’t sort it out even though I had all the downs in that central north section. It was that kind of morning - just couldn’t seem to focus.
Wanted leninGRAD before remembering PETROGRAD but held off entering either for a long time.
Bottom half seemed much easier than the top. Maybe I had just warmed up a bit. Finding the revealer in the centre didn’t hurt and I finished this one in a much better mood than when I was starting it.
I found the puzzle hard for a Thursday. Alop? Steno? Come on.
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This theme places more constraints on the grid fill than might be immediately obvious. There are the four up front Across themers and a longish reveal and then there are four more Across entries that have the two BUMP letters above the themers. So all together there are nine (!) Acrosses that limit the degrees of freedom in choosing supporting fill. Hello STENOG! And you too PEETA PITT RISHI.
ReplyDeleteAnother price exacted by the heavy theme load is highlighted by the commentariat outpouring of odium for ODIUMS. It is, however, only one of several POCs (plural of convenience) that start right out of the gate with ABS and FISTS.
The ones that I always notice are the two for one POCs, where an Down and an Across both get a grid fill friendly letter count boost by sharing a single S. There are five of them beginning when both 6D SLAV and 22A AVOWAL get some S help filling their slots. Same refrain for PITA/GRE, LIBRA/FRET and REFI/UTE. And there's one stealth POC where SAY AH and the BUMPed themer TROUBADOUR complete the two-fer POC quintet.
Given the theme load, the POCs and some warty fill are not surprising and to its credit the grid still manages to serve up some nice stuff. There's OUT TO SEA and its spiffy clue and I thought BAREFOOT and UP STROKE were first rate. And who doesn't like GOOFY? So all things considered I'd say the puzzle was not a BAD IDEA.
Now I'm off to inventory my collection of ABACI. Um, bye.
Hey, if I go to Google and google "wordle", the Google logo is a Wordle animation.
ReplyDeleteSten is an old Swedish name of Viking origin (means stone or rock) so maybe he's the OG?
ReplyDeleteAstor made some money from FUR at the beginning, but he made his fortune from Manhattan real estate.
ReplyDeleteAlso l guess it's OK to be caught on tape if you're a sprinter
ReplyDeleteBack home after a nice lunch with a couple other retirees from my former university. I did want to add that although I didn't get the ROAD under the bumps right away, I finally figured it out when leninGRAD wouldn't work filling in ROAD jogged my PETROGRAD memory, and the puzzle became easier (except for remembering that there are two Us in TROUBADOURS.
ReplyDeleteI'm not sure ABS is a POC; I've never seen or heard ab used in the singular. But the real problem with ODIUMS is that the root word is not something countable. It's like sunlight; you can have greater or lesser amounts, but it doesn't become plural.
As for STENOG, my justification while solving was that court STENOGraphers are highly trained and definitely don't want to be mistaken for STENOs, so perhaps they made up another name for themselves. Post-solve I can find absolutely no evidence for this, however, so I guess it's just ugly.
It was a nice lunch, and a pleasant conversation. And the tripes provencales were delicious.
@Jazzmanchgo…I certainly hope that my comment on ROPEADOPE wasn’t construed as being “too Naticky.” I’m of the ilk, that I am way okay with clues/answers that are contemporary and I started working crosswords when I was young enough to NOT know certain clues/answers that pre-dated my sentience. Let’s just say I don’t even care about being “Naticked.” It was just a “pondering.” A “for instance”…I played a “party game” that involves figuring out a word. My husband and I (we’re old) were playing with two 40 year olds and two 30 year olds. The word was “sting.” My husband’s clue was “Roxanne.” Yep. 30 year olds didn’t get it BUT did (turns out) know the tune. Anyway, I guess my point is…”is ROPEADOPE worth knowing”…sure. For folks like me that LOVE to learn things via the puzzle, it’s golden.
ReplyDeletecdilly52 here with a wry little smile for a cute idea that played a bit like a BAD IDEA starting with STENOG. I practiced law for over 40 years including working with stenographers using manual (i.e. pen to paper) shorthand! Never, ever have I heard a stenographer or court reporter called a STENOG. Worse than a wince because this is the province of the editors - clearly asleep at the switch.
ReplyDeleteThat aside though, I thought this easy Thursday was fun. Cute idea, and I liked finding the “bumps,” but I wish perhaps that they had not been so obvious. Or maybe I have just been solving nearly every single day for so long (over 50 years now!) that I am jaded. I’m sure the grey blocks were really helpful to many solvers. I especially hope there are folks out there for whom this was their first “no cheat Thursday.” I can’t tell you when my first was, but each time I solved a new “day” without any assistance, I felt fabulous!!
Never beard the adage about ABS, but that gave me my first out loud chuckle when it appeared via checking the remainder of that little block. That blick was made more confusing because I had ignored the singular clue fir STENOG thinking it had to be a misprint since STENOs had to be the answer because STENOG is not a “thing” as we are wont to say. That made 26A LEsAL - nope. I just left that alone ams breezed through the remainder. Alas, I didn’t get to my favorite part of Thursday- sussing out the trick because I flew through the NW part which had “checked” my answers with downs. And since I have seen THE IRON LADY, my first “bump” was solved and I eagerly awaited the reveal.
I moved quickly onward and had enough letters already to get BUMP IN THE ROAD, and it made me smile - especially my perpetual 9 year old “self” who remembers Gran’s clap and her smile with an added giggle for an especially clever answer.
Next came GRES at 39A and since I was certain PETROGRAD was the answer at 44A and the “GR” of GRES was “highlighted” in grey, whammy! There’s the next BUMP IN THE ROAD”
This one had some very cute clues that gave it some lift and a few smiles, and gave me happy memories of my Gran who got me hooked on crosswords, specifically the NYTXW when I was 9. So hearty congratulations to our debut constructor, Matt Sheldon. I look forward to more!
FWIW
ReplyDeleteSt. Petersburg, was named thusly when the German language was all the rage in Russia
Needless to say, during WWII not so much. So during the war , the name was changed as someone said above to Peter’s city
Ten years or so later after Lenin died , it became Leningrad
So it was Leningrad MUCH longer than Petrograd.
@dgd-I agree, but trying saying "es mi" in Spanish. Doesn't work, as I found out.
ReplyDeleteI knew from the first clues/answers that Rex was going to hate this puzzle. I share everyone’s annoyance at STENOG and hands up for “Lenin”GRAD instead of PETROGRAD, the name I guess St. Petersburg must have had from 1917 until after Lenin’s death.
ReplyDeleteMostly I wanted to say THANKS REX for sharing some of your technique: i.e. figuring out the themers in the early going. I could have saved time that way, and I’ll try it in the future.
Odiums and Alop are pretty bad. I searched for Odiums in google books and the only plausible reference was the 19th century book the History of Portgual by Edward McMurdo with this sentence
ReplyDelete"When civil war decimated the kingdom; when the knights of the Middle Ages breathed nought but odiums and revenge and were swayed by the most violent passions..."
Alop? Really? Try putting it in quotation marks and watch what happens. Even Autocorrect is driven crazy.
ReplyDeleteHaving ROAD appear under the "bumps" probably constricted the fill past saving. Laudable that he even found four of them, plus a perfect central revealer. Alas, it was too much, including yet another EKE, which means one UPSTROKE.
ReplyDeleteNot saying it was a BADIDEA that should've been SCRAPPED, but maybe, I dunno, two instead of four. Par.
Wordle par.
Does anyone here play the NYT daily word game Connections? I thought today’s group of beers (familiarly) BUD, STELLA, SIERRA and NATTY was not familliar at all - at least for the last two brands.
ReplyDeleteOne of the worst puzzles the NYT has ever published. What the hell is going on there?
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ReplyDeleteTHEIRONLADY of PETROGRAD
thought PEETA WAS OUTTOSEA her,
but PEETA SAYS, “THE IDEA WAS BAD,
IN THE SPA she WAS a PEER.”
--- ROYCE PITT