Former name of the electron / SUN 4-21-24 / Title pig of kids' TV / Creditor, in legalese / Speeches with an 18-minute limit / One-named singer on 1998's "Ghetto Superstar" / Former name of the electron / Shakespearean misanthrope / Small Southwestern birds of prey / Speculative fiction subgenre that imagines a sustainable energy future / District attorney-turned-Batman foe / What Tom and Daisy embody in "The Great Gatsby"
Constructor: Michael Schlossberg
Relative difficulty: Medium-Challenging
Instructions:
BEFORE you follow the instructions...
And AFTER
THEME: "Get Cracking" — see instructions, above; basically, there is no theme, from a solving standpoint. Once you've finished the grid, you rotate some squares and you get a message that spells out JACKPOT
Theme answers:
no, there are none of these
Word of the Day: SOLAR PUNK (111A: Speculative fiction subgenre that imagines a sustainable energy future) —
This felt insulting. Truly insulting. There are all these instructions up front—the kind that make my eyes glaze over, after I have rolled them, hard, a few times—but then... when you solve on the app (as I did, like a good boy—"Solve on the app!" they said. "It's how the puzzles are designed to be solved," they said), the app just Does All The Work For You. That is, the instructions don't matter At All. I finished the puzzle, the screen said "Congratulations," and then the software just did all the rotating nonsense. I mean, thank god, on the one hand—I certainly didn't want to be bothered doing all that rotating nonsense myself. But on the other hand ... why ... I don't ... what is this? Why make this big up-front pretense of the post-solve work I'm going to have to do to appreciate the puzzle's design, and then set it up so that the software just does the work for me? I went from solving a pretty hard Sunday puzzle (like a grown-up) to having the theme spoonfed to me via animation (as if I were a child). But either way, this was never going to work. Either I was going to be forced to do all that 90-180-270ยบ rotation stuff myself (slog), or I was just going to sit there and have stupid animation do the rotating. JACKPOT! What did I win? I demand to know. Because it really (really really) feels like I lost.
The design of the grid is such that longer answers ... just don't exist. A 21x21 grid and ... nothing longer than 9!?!?! And only three of those!?!? It’s the Biggest Grid of the Week, the one that's built for flashy long stuff, and this puzzle gives you *nothing*. Scattered 8s and 7s and 6s and then a whole lot of 3-4-5s. Fussy, choppy, and (bonus!) hard. I don't mind the hard so much—there's no theme here, so at least I got a bit of a challenge, and thus the solve wasn't a total waste. But I don't know when I've ever seen a puzzle that was more "Look At Me!" with so little to show for it. A severely compromised grid, all so that I could watch some circles rotate after I'd finished? All so that I could see the word JACKPOT, when there is nothing, literally nothing, about the rest of the puzzle that has anything to do with gambling or casinos or slot machines or safecracking or An-Y-Thing? Before the rotation, the circled squares spell out ... SYWLAEN? Is that something!? A town in Wales, maybe? It anagrams to ... wow, nothing. WEANSLY? YEN SLAW? Help me make sense of this? I thought for sure that CCLEF and GSUIT and CCLAMP were going to take me ... somewhere. But no. As far as I can tell there is zero gambling or safecracking content. The gamification of the puzzle continues apace, with absolutely no consideration for how it relates to the actual experience of Solving A Crossword. Animation! Why? 'Cause we can! Flashing lights and shiny things! NUGGETS! It's the future!
Formally, the one truly unusual thing today was the unchecked squares, i.e. those squares that projected into the little keyhole circles. I wanted those sets of four squares to spell things, but they did not. I guess the "check" on those squares (i.e. the equivalent of a cross) is the fact there are rotation rules, i.e. you have to be able to make words out of every answer when you rotate those four letters to some degree. Luckily, I didn't need any crosses for those answers. There were times when solving those answers felt dicey—that ARK clue in particular (67A: Partner ship?). But otherwise they were all very short and very gettable. Occasionally the puzzle runs into a nice longer answer, like POP QUIZ or "I CAN TELL" or OLD MONEY or "YES, YOU," but mostly it just stumbles along with short answer after short answer, IPO and CSIS (!!!?) and ERE and the like. To its credit, it rarely gets into real ugliness. PAIDAD and especially OBLIGEE are not very likable, but otherwise, things seem solid enough. Just dullish.
Tough parts abounded. Tried to sing "Have Yourself a Merry Little Christmas" but never could find the "GAY" part (34A: Rhyme for "away" in "Have Yourself a Merry Little Christmas"). Can't remember what comes before "From now on our troubles will be miles away." Oh well. "Let your heart be GAY?" No, I got it, it's "Make the Yuletide GAY!" Now I remember! Bah (humbug). GASCANS on the backs of moving vehicles seems odd and dangerous. I've only ever seen spare tires on the backs of Jeeps (that I can recall). No idea who the boxing SPENCE is. Had SANYO before SEIKO (14D: Casio rival). Forgot Ben PLATT was someone and really really struggled to make sense of MAA (49D: "Here's looking at you, kid"?)—I looked at MAA and thought "damn, I've got an error." Then couldn't see how I had an error. Then realized I didn't have an error at all: MAA was the sound of a baby goat, or ... kid. It's a pretty bad clue. I mean, kid pun, great, but the whole Casablanca quote has no relationship to ... anything. Certainly no relation to animal sounds or speech or sounds of any kind. ELF OWLS are a thing? (51A: Small Southwestern birds of prey). If you say so. My old audiobooks were ON DISC (50D: Like old audiobooks = ON TAPE). I saw The Fabelmans but MITZI's name I did not remember. Had it as HILDA (or HILDY) at first because instead of FOMO at 52D: Why some app users check their notifications constantly, for short, I had ADHD.
Getting from [Fun facts] to NUGGETS was a challenge. Same with [Throw in the towel] and BAG IT. No idea ETIENNE was "Stephen" in French. Wasn't sure about LYRE v. LUTE (112D: Renaissance instrument). Hard to think of SAUCER in relation to Area 51 if it's not flying. Had USS on the Saturn V rocket. BUT for 121D: Protester's word was hard as hell (I had BAN) (as in "the Bomb" or whatever). I think that covers it. Too tired to go any further. Fans of post-solve animation and/or elaborate architectural features, I envy you. We seem to be entering your Golden Age. Fans of solving crossword puzzles ... I dunno what to tell you. My kingdom for a simple funny Sunday theme. Why is being delightful so hard?
The gimmick got me to the right option between dam and jam, so I got to do the intellectual work of spinning myself to get there. I was hoping that once the grid was filled, I would be able to rotate each of the rings to the right place, but no. I didn't feel as ripped off as Rex did, but that's only thans to the Natick.
Totally concur with Rex on this FOMO is a nonsense word for me,, NUGGETS doesn't mean "fun facts" in my book, INXS spells nothing meaningful, and as Rex points out, MAA means nothing either. A real PPP-laden slog, exaccereby tbe fact that thegrid isolates many sectors... you can't get "outside" help when you get stuck...
FOMO= Fear of missing out, i.e. that your friends are all having fun without you. Thus why you might check social media to see if people are posting about events you werent invited to, I guess?
That being said, they could have had a better clue to get to FOMO.
Medium-tough for me too. Unfortunately, the NYT Games iPad app did not show the rotated solution. Fortunately when I checked my completed puzzle on the NYT Games web page the JACKPOT was graphically revealed, which is a good thing because there was no chance of me actually doing it.
I appreciate the feat of construction, but yeesh, figuring out the “appropriate exclamation” would have been above and beyond…. Just reading the instructions was a tad painful.
That said, I kinda liked the puzzle, but @Rex is right, “delightful” is not a word I would use to describe it.
Solved this in about 75% of normal Sunday time, but then ... it wasn't right. I spent several minutes checking everything before getting a DNF because of an uncrossed kealoa: jAM (up) instead of DAM (up). I suppose technically only one of these allowed for turning the dial, but I feel about the same as Rex on the whole safe conceit. It certainly never occurred to me to consider that when checking my answers -- it felt like a bonus to look at after finishing.
THIS!!! I solved it, didn’t get the music. Went through and “rotated” all the letters thinking that’s what was preventing me from winning. Found that jam should have been dam, finished rotating, still no music. Went back and un-rotated everything, finally got the music. And yeah, it was my mistake but still with this and the vague instructions, it was completely unclear if I wasn’t getting the music because I had a mistake or because I hadn’t completed some vague task the puzzle wanted me to do. The instructions did say the rotations were standing between you and the end, after all. And the lack of clarity added probably 2 minutes to my overall time. HATE IT.
I did this without cheats, checks or other aids in about my average Sunday time. That said, it was probably the worst solving experience of my life, or at least my Sunday puzzle-solving life. There's no theme that relates in any way to the solving experience. The "About this Puzzle" hint is pretty much a TL;DR. There is no answer longer than 9 letters. The techno-gimmick at the end even shows you the answer, presumably on the assumption that you didn't finish reading the hint. I'm generally a mini-@Lewis as far as having positive feelings about every NYT puzzle, but I admit that I have none about this one, other than that people in the Southwest call fowls "EL FOWLS". Don't they know it should be Los Fowls?
Reading the comment, I knew Across Lite would not handle something like rotating squares, so I just went ahead and solved without worrying about it. Then, I went to the NYT web page, took a deep breath, and typed in the entire grid. After which... like Rex said... the squares automatically rotated without allowing me to do anything. A big letdown! Surely someone got their wires crossed at the NYT.
My last square was the A in MAA crossing PLATT and when it was successful, I didn't have any idea WTF MAA meant. I still think it's pretty lame.
At 111 across, I had S----PUNK which had to be STEAMPUNK which is a real thing I've heard of, even though it didn't fit the clue.
[Spelling Bee: Sat currently -1; missing only an eleven letter pangram FOR THE SECOND DAY IN A ROW!! I will keep trying as my 12 day streak is in peril.]
Total agreement on this one. Today's puzzle might have earned a spot on the cover of "Crossword Constructors Monthly" for its "clever" jackpot twist, but it's a real chore for the solver. And no fun long answers, which we can usually count on from a Sunday puzzle. Nice writeup, Rex!
Cool, I loved spending ten minutes poring over my solved grid to realize that 104A: “Block (up)” was DAM and not JAM, as I had written — and with no crosses the only way to know is that when you rotate you get LOAJ instead of LOAD? Woof.
That's the only way I managed to get that right: realizing the rotated answer had to be LOAD instead of "LOAj." Not a cross exactly, but for me it served the same purpose.
I found the puzzle fairly easy ... until it wasn't. At 49D I had bAA before MAA. That made the 46A Shakespearean character TIbON, which looked fine to me, since there are lots of The Bard's characters that I don't know.
Didn't get the happy music. Checked all the acrosses. No errors. Checked the downs. All looked good. I had skipped reading the intro text so I tried doing that and hypothesized … er, POSITed that you might have to enter the shifted letters into place. Did that slog for all 7x4=28 squares. No joy. Switched 'em all back (slog squared) and was about to throw in the towel … er, BAG IT when on my umpteenth recheck I happened to notice the 49D thing. Changed bAA to MAA and ... JACKPOT!
My lawyer says that the 49D clue, "Here's looking at you, kid," is clearly addressed to a kid, not said by a kid so BAA is the better answer.
I completed the crossword, got the congratulations, had the animation start for the locks, but now my timer hasn't stopped and when I back out and go back in, it tells me I still have clues to solve, even though the lock turning animation is still going...
Saw the joke after slogging thru the top two thirds and then I just quit. Yes I see what the constructor was able to do but they couldn't translate the tour de force into an enjoyable puzzle for the solver
For me, MAA was ungettable, especially crossed with a Broadway actor PLATT. In general, Broadway references are challenge squares for those of us who don’t frequent Midtown, or the Eastern Seaboard for that matter. And CINE was lost to me. I had FILM and then WINE (because, sure?) but it felt gotcha to me even with the Cannes “hint.” Other parts were hard but fun for this novice player.
I also had "film" initially but immediately changed it when I considered why Cannes was in the clue and also guessing (accurately, it turned out) that CINE was a more crossword-friendly response.
I had the opposite problem, namely, I (correctly) “rotated” the squares before I was done filling in all the non-lock squares, but when the grid was complete, didn't get the happy music. So I had to go back and re-“rotate” the squares to their original position before getting the happy music. Grrr.
Way way way too needlessly hard. Because of the gimmick (which I agree was dumb with no payoff), each quadrant was totally isolated. Managed to slog my way through everything super slowly until I got to the NE which proved basically impossible for me. Only had AORTA and nothing else was coming to me. GSUIT is always impossible for me to think of, never heard of the SPENCE guy, the second you put “abbr” in a clue I know I’m done for (will never ever ever be able to parse one of those without almost every cross), and ELF OWLS (EL FOWLS?) is just the most ridiculous wordlist word ever. Finally KENT popped into my head which gave me UNDERTOW and I was able to eke it out. Then I got my…JACKPOT? Uuuugh
didn’t assume that the NYT app would do the rotating automatically upon finish (cause then why even bother!), particularly because the instructions don’t make a distinction, so I did the rotating myself before totally completing the grid and added at least 10 minutes to my time looking for errors before deciding to turn them all back. miserable!
I did the same. Ended up as a streak buster. My big problem was ARm instead of ARK. And it worked with TEAm. Was thinking like walking a “partner” down the aisle or to an event? But then I rotated. Still no congrats. Made tweaks elsewhere (the M in MAA, mainly). Ran the alphabet. Looked elsewhere. Finally gave up after 20 extra minutes and hit auto check.
Let's not forget that the capacity to do such animations was the sole reason (well, that and money) that the New York Times placed roadblocks to solving on any app but its own and retroactively converted its archive to NYTimes app-only online solves.
Now tell me, friends, don't animations such as today's make it all worth it?
Hard Sunday. Alas a lot of that was due to PPP beyond my ken like SPENCE, MITZI, PLATT and MYA.
Had a DNF at GAS CANS/NEGATRON, which was actually my third choice for that cross, behind GAS CAmS and GAS CApS.
I did not care for the theme at all. Or more precisely, I did not care about the theme at all. It seems to barely exist and add absolutely nothing to the puzzle experience.
The word must have gone out to crossword editors that Stranger Things is to take the place of Game of Thrones as the show that we are supposed to know everything about. Stranger Things has appeared I think four times in the last month in NYT clues, and has been popping up on Universal Crosswords as well.
For those who had jAM instead of DAM: this was one of the places the gimmick actually helped me. Whatever letter was in that box also had to work with the new word when the dial was rotated. Having completed the rest, I figured the letter had to be able to compete "LOA-" logically, so a J wouldn't work.
That said, I still failed because for some reason I figured Jeeps had GASCApS instead of GASCANS and somehow convinced myself that a pEGATRON was a thing.
No fun at all. I solved on the app, which means I couldn’t see the instructions, came here to get the instructions, and then manually did the rotating, which did not happen automatically because I’ve got a typo in there somewhere but have no interest in tracking it down. Thus ends a worthy streak. I can’t be bothered with this unrewarding nonsense.
Why couldn't you see the instructions on the app? Doesn't the "i" at the top of the screen have the slowly oscillating circle reminding you to look? I'm on an iPhone, so perhaps it is different in other formats, IDK.
A lot of gimmick, a lot of stunt, not much of a puzzle. Definitely not very enjoyable - more like a cure for insomnia. I wish they would give this stuff its own section and publish a themeless crossword puzzle on a daily basis. They could even have a gimmick constructors corner where they could all compare notes on how tough it is to JAM up your grid with crap and no crosses to check on it.
Gratifying to learn everyone else was jammed up at the end as I was, trying in vain to see where I’d gone wrong. A detestable stupid puzzle. God how I hate these conceits that are irrelevant to solving itself.
Random thoughts: • What a remarkable mind to come up with this concept! Turning a puzzle into a safe with knobs that have to be turned into the right position, and figuring out a payoff for when the safe opens up. This is a mind with a fertile imagination. • What a build! The nuts and bolts of translating this concept into a working grid – coming up with the dials, getting each dial to create two and only two positions that work with the surrounding letters. Oh, the constrictions! Oh, the experimentation that had to be done to make it work! This took admirable skill and fortitude. • Thus, a puzzle with art and science behind it. • All this is for naught, however, if not in service to the solver, if it is not satisfying to solve. I found areas that filled in easily, spiced up with some knotty spots that got my brain to sit up and get cracking – a combination I savor. I also found the theme in service to my solve, where mentally turning those knobs confirmed an answer, or gave me a letter I needed.
I love standard wordplay themes, but I also love seeing the envelope pushed – when it works. And work it did for me today. This was a delight, Michael. Thank you, and I greatly look forward to what you will come up with next!
I’m with you. Not my favorite puzzle ever, but I appreciated an alternate approach to “check the down clue!” for resolving things like dam/jam. And I liked spinning the dial mentally to see if all four letters could be moved coherently in the same direction. And I REALLY liked the fact that I didn’t have to PHYSICALLY spin those dials at the end for the payoff. I definitely struggled with the right side of the grid though.
I solved on Across Lite, as always, so I didn’t get the animation. The rotation post-solve was quite simple, and I got it after J-A-C (maybe just J-A). I think I maybe would have enjoyed the animation because the puzzle itself was pretty sloggy.
This really jammed me up: I had "JAM" instead of "DAM" and there was no %^&*ing cross to know why JAM wasn't a reasonable answer for "Block (up)". That crap makes me mad.
I hate any type of rebus, circle, square, shade, misdirection, reverse, etc. Now, as an alternate source of entertainment, they would be great. Just give me a standard crossword and make the clues as clever as possible. Just my lame opinion…
Sundays have lost any entertainment value. And they have gotten at least as difficult as Saturday (which for a time were getting rather tame for Saturdays but, of late, seem to belong in another publication for a different audience.) Why subscribe?
Well. All I can say is when @egs gently disses a puzzle and only has one wordplay joke…things are certainly amiss! Pretty much agree with everyone else about the fact that I cared NOT about the puzzle gimmick one iota and didn’t care to figure out what word was “unlocked” by the solve. Since I don’t care about my iPad preserving a “streak” (nor I care about a “streak”), at the end I did “Check puzzle” which x’ed out the J in jam. Yeah…don’t kea loa an “uncrossed” letter.
@Andrew, TDS!? I looked THAT up and I got the “text” meaning as Trump Derangement Syndrome, with one “sublink” saying it meant “totally dipshit.” Hah! I have more energy in knowing what you intended than I do the puzzle!
Beeper As many have pointed out -AM was “crossed “ by the gimmick. Couldn’t be jam as LOAj wouldn’t work. So I think it the clue/ answer is fair, given the theme. Whether you like the gimmick or not, is a totally different question! I happened to like it, It helped me solve the puzzle
Agree with your assessment of 4-21 puzzle....it's just s**t, gimmicky, themeless, some needlessly repetitive answers, all short words. Give me a complex theme any day rather that this model.
The worst part of solving this was the realization about halfway through that “they’re just going to animate the lock solution immediately, aren’t they?” Because they always do this when there’s a gimmick like this. 28 uncrossed letters and endless short fill slog, just so the Times’ crossword team could be amused by an animation.
Reading and assimilating the instructions was NOT pointless; it prevented the Dam/Jam" issue so many are complaining about. Unless y'all think "Loaj" is a word.
What great fun! When I had completed the puzzle on paper I made a copy. Then I cut out all the little circles that were safe dials and put them on my original and rotated them until I got all the new words! Oh joy! Rapture!
OK, I didn't do any of that, but my paper copy didn't do the rotation by itself, so I did it mentally and thought, oh. OK. That's it, I guess. I did not think JACKPOT!
In addition to the pop culture folks I've not heard of, which many of you have named already, I found out today that TIMON of Athens was a misogynist. Somehow made it through a college Shakespeare course without reading that one. Also, methane gas is a RIPENER for tomatoes. Who knew? Nice to see my guy Colbert, who is becoming indispensable.
Heck of a construction feat, MS. A Mighty Stunt puzzle indeed. Thanks for a fair amount of fun.
I dunno - I did this on paper so spinning the dials mentally was a fun little mental challenge. But I read the instructions about a secret word and correctly guessed that it would be JACKPOT before putting a single word in the grid, so that kind of blew the final surprise.
I was sure of bAA and never thought it could be MAA because didn't know TIMON and figured TIbON was just as likely. I get the jAM vs. DAM confusion at first but not if you solve the last part of the puzzle. LOAj is not a word. "Luckily" I had the one mistake that forced me to figure out JACKPOT before the software could do it for me. Still didn't help with the bAA/MAA confusion. DNF for me.
I am done with the NYT crossword. This was the biggest piece of garbage puzzle and absolutely ruined my Sunday morning. Does anybody have recommendations for better puzzles that don't intentionally waste my time with obscure trivia, obscure proper nouns, and stupid gimmicky garbage like this? What a stupid waste of time. Just give me a normal regular Sunday crossword and cut the crap. DONE. DONE. DONE.
I so agree! I've asked for recommendations but never get them. Here's a few I use: https://dailycrosswordlinks.com/ https://rosswordpuzzles.com/ https://qvxwordz.blogspot.com/
Loathed it. Tried to give it a chance after reading the instructions (ugh,) but quit after seven minutes and seeing asinine clues about nobody boxers and translated math. I've learned to not waste time on these Sundays and move on with life.
PS: STOP IT WITH THE TRANSLATE THIS MATH CRAP, GOOD GOD BE MORE CREATIVE
I'm yet another jAM/DAM sufferer. The gimmick helped me figure that out, and then I still had to swap in GASCAN for GASCAp, which I had toggled a few times... after repairing the damage from manually "rotating" the locks. Not full of love for this puzzle.
Interesting idea. Seems like it could use an additional Themer or two somewhere. I realize how tough this was to fill cleanly, but adding in a "safecracker" or something to do with a winning slot machine would've improved this greatly.
It is cool in its present form. Clearly tough to fill cleanly. Not only did the constructor have to get JACKPOT in the "dials", but had to come up with words that could be changed by changing one letter. 28 Times. 28!! Holy moly. I'd've given up long before that. Har.
So props on the fill coming out any semblance of cleanly. With pretty good sized swaths of white space, see North Center and all four corners.
Wasn't sure at first what to write in the dials, thinking the letters in the dials would be put in the way they were supposed to end up. If that makes sense. Quickly disavowed myself of that notion, after rereading the note, and just started putting the answers in as they should be.For the WIN!
But, DNF. ๐ Had yOlO for FOMO, which also gave me ELyOWLS (sure, why not?) and LITZI. Also, bRag for CROW. EbOn/ECON, MIRa/MIRO. AH, ME. I'll blame it on that TEENAGE SOLAR PUNK.
Used TDS as shorthand for Tedious. But also a LIL shoutout to Rex for not publishing yesterday my comment that included an alternate clue re Jerry Rice TDS: “what many here suffer from?”
Either of your definitions would work, though I was referring to the former…and the frantic foaming he foments.
Checked the entire complete puzzle, acrosses and downs, and could not figure out the problem. Turned out to be DAM instead of jAM. Which was obvious once i looked for the rotation. I see others had this challenge.
My puzzle rotated itself, which was a disappointment. I thought I was getting another mini puzzle at the end.
There were some fun ones in here. For some reason i kept thinking of symphony conductor needing a Batonset? Instead of a TRAINSET.
Yuck! Had one typo in the finished puzzle which I didn’t see until I rotated the locks as instructed but then fat fingered another typo so still no happy music. So rotated back and then caught my second type and so my long-running STREAK was finally saved from floating down the STREAM. Longest “solve” time ever.
Why am I paying for something that just aggravates me every day ? Because I've been doing these things for 60 plus years and now I get no enjoyment whatsoever from them. I actually feel sorry for Rex having to comment every day on this drek. I'm trying to keep my mind challenged, but not at the cost of being pissed off at the start of every day. Bye...again.
Just here to join the chorus on MAA and JAM v DAM. I came to Rex today for the gloss on MAA, which I got but which still flummoxed me. I suppose his explanation must be right. Which is to say: it’s a terrible clue.
Uncrossed squares feel like a basic violation of cruciverbalism, but it’s not as though they violate sacred writ. In this puzzle, only JAM v DAM violates the fundamental contract between constructor and solver: “Never strand the solver.” JAM v DAM cost me 20 minutes on a puzzle that was, for me, mostly a walk. Sure, MAA was garbage, but meh. Stuff happens.
Rex’s ranting today, OTOH, was hyperbolic, petty, downright priggish. Classic Rexranting. Once I got his gist I stopped reading, hit control-F for “MAA,” found it, said thank you, and quit reading. When Rex gets like this I feel sad and embarrassed for him, and I need to leave the kaffeeklatsch.
Such a fabulously cranky review! I read the instructions (like an adult) and worked the puzzle according to those instructions. I got the "O" in the bottom left rotator early on and then ran through some possible "safecracking" theme answers to quickly get Jackpot. Then that helped me nail some of the trickier rotator sections. For example, I knew that "JAM" couldn't be the solution in the bottom left because LOAJ isn't a word, so I worked back from LOA- to get DAM.
In short, I played the puzzle on its own terms and found it to be a fun solve that added another layer of puzzling to an admittedly uninspiring fill.
First of all, I never had any intention of rotating anything. It didn't sound like fun and I wasn't gonna.
But would the puzzle, prior to rotation, be fun on its own? No, it wouldn't.
Title pig. Pixy Stix. Agent Deirdre's org. Longest running fan club. Band. Fabelmans role. Ghetto Supastar. Eleven's powers in Stranger Things. Distracted Boyfriend. Batman foe.
The most pointless, the most forgettable, the most NYT-unworthy collection of meaningless junk that I have ever seen collected in one place. With all the screens he's glued to and all the pop culture he consumes, it's a wonder that Michael Schlossberg ever had time to study internal medicine in the first place.
I enjoyed this much more than @RP did, but I agree with nearly all of his criticisms. Had a DNF due to Natick at ELFOWL crossing FOMO—never heard of the former; only vaguely recalled the latter (probably from x-words). ELmOWL/mOMO seemed not unreasonable. As OFL noted, the "unchecked" squares were in fact checked by the requirement to work with rotation, which would have rejected jAM in favor of DAM, but YEESH!
MAA seems to be the favored sound for all goats, vs BAA for all sheep, in the current NYT crossword patois. Kinda liked the clueing for that.
DAM/jAM here too. I agree with the others who push back against those who say the D is uncrossed.
About half the time on Sunday I get the "So close..." message and have to scour the grid to find my mistake. That's a slog, but it's my mistake, just as the J was today. I think I even recognized that the rotation was not likely to work but proceeded with the rest of the solve anyway.
Speaking of slogs, I'm about to submit this comment and click through some number of CAPTCHAs to prove that I'm not a robot.
Went back, deleted all the letters in the circles, filled them in again, correctly according to the clues, and this time got the music first, then the animations. So either I had a genuine error, or maybe I hadn't done one of my manual rotations corectly. Who knoes? Who cares?
I misread the note and thought the letters that were rotating also formed a new four letter word. This worked with JEST but not with any of the others. But I hit the JACKPOT eventually.
That top center gave me a lot of trouble with OBLIGEE, GAS CANS and TREE SAP. Throw in a crossing ABERRANT and NEGATRON and I floundered for a good many minutes.
I thought I was clever thinking of "going, going, gOne" for 36D but it's actually, "Going once, going twice, SOLD". I've been to enough auctions in my time so, duh. Going to auctions seemed to be a popular activity in the 70s. Lots of farm auctions in southern MN that decade, I guess.
Michael Schlossberg, this was an interesting Sunday theme, thanks!
I also followed instructions and was punished! I had to unrotate everything to get to complete. Grr. Also, the term “electron” was coined in 1891 by Johnstone Stoney who had previously been calling them “electrolions”. In 1906 Hendrik Lorentz opted to keep the name “electron” over a proposed change to “electrion” (electric+ion). MUCH later in a 1933 paper, Carl Anderson proposed changing “electron” to be the name for charged particles in general and “negatron” replace the current use of “electron”. pg 493 https://journals.aps.org/pr/pdf/10.1103/PhysRev.43.491 TLDR: electron predates the barely used term negatron
Oh, JACKPOT. The app did it for me. I started to do the spinners, but then I saw the letters moving on their own. Northeast and southeast put up a bit of a fuss, but otherwise the solve was the typical unmemorable slog. No longish answers is a disappointment from the outset.
Uniclues (now with moving letters):
1 PIMPLY! 2 "Wish two of us could go with them." 3 Satan seizes SIRI. 4 Weird little food at a fancy restaurant you don't like but say you do rather than being accused of being a hillbilly. 5 It's time to toss the leftover currencies from your trips to Europe in the 70s. 6 Surprise exam on the vihuela.
1 TEENAGE PAID AD ADVERB (~) 2 STREAM KOI ARK NOTION 3 POSSESS SPAMMER QUEEN 4 URBANE ENDIVE NUGGETS 5 MOLD MONEY GOTTA GO 6 ABERRANT LUTE POP QUIZ
My Fascinating Crossword Uniclue Keepsake from Last Year: What an author wears to a reading in Venkatanarasimharajuvaripeta. SLAM POET SARI.
This was an utter stinkerissimo, undone (more accurately, never "done" in the first place) by excessive gimmickry and errors galore. I do not know why the NYT continues to waste space with this junk.
Pen on paper solve for me. I can see why Rex was miffed. The online version takes away all of the fun of solving the gimmick. I don’t think the blame lies with the constructor. The print version was pretty, pretty good.
The app didn’t rotate anything or allow me to rotate anything, except in my head. So I saw and corrected jam. The puzzle was underwhelming and thanks to Rex for pointing out why - no theme or surprising long answers. But I'm sure it was very complicated to assemble.
I agree with Crossword Kev that the rotation thing added some nice dimensionality to the solve - and used the same strategy to fill in missing letters for a few rather annoying short clues. Overall this played pretty easy to me.
MAA, however, is absolutely execrable. Fortunately there are only so many ways to fill out PL_TT.
The “delightful” part came when I finally checked in with Rex to see he had the same reaction. Love a good pan where it is deserved. But, OTOH, it did keep me busy for a while. Faint praise is all I got.
@Lewis "Random thoughts"? Really? They seem curated, rather, so as not to offend the setter and the Powers That Be. Not even a negative comment about the disappointing experience so many had with the app—a problem that would not reflect on the setter or perhaps even the editor?
I worked on paper, from the bottom up, and actually used the theme to finish, after I'd guessed the final word. Hence, figuring out the rotations was a welcome added complication.
Until I read the comments here, I was unaware that many solvers never had that opportunity, which might have made the puzzle a little more satisfying to them. Perhaps you had not read the comments either, or you felt that all had been said. But it might have some influence over there, I don't know, if you had added your voice to the chorus. I expected a brief mention of this issue after the sentence: “All this is for naught, however, if not in service to the solver, if it is not satisfying to solve.”
My rule of thumb is puzzles that are hard to construct are bad solves. This construction must have taken eons and is legitimately impressive. The experience as a solver, frankly, sucked. There was nothing fun about this. I read the instructions and my eyes glazed over. I knew this was going to be a slog from that moment, and I was right. I don’t know why they publish puzzles that serve to show off the constructors intellect instead of being fun. Glad this one is over with.
Thanks to all the anonymous posters who put the jAM crowd in their place. GAY took me a few seconds to get to after a little caroling. But Rex couldn’t get it, so it’s a rotten clue. Hah! I had no idea what MAA meant, but crosses got me there. No such luck on GASCApS and pEGATRON. Finally, do the puzzle using paper and pencil. No annoying handoff to software for the rotation step.
I solved in the mag and did my own mental rotating of the dials. Starting out, I saw that there was a note, but I didn't read it - in the past, I've found that the notes can reveal more than I want to know and take away some of the joy of solving. But today, about 3/4 of the way through, I realized I'd have no chance of understanding what was going on without it. I was disappointed - this "after the fact" kind of theme might be something to admire but for me doesn't add to the fun of figuring things out. I thought the work: reward ratio was off on this one. Interesting construction feat, but the "why" is lost on me.
I enjoyed CLAMBERS and POP QUIZ, learning SOLAR PUNK, being reminded of Pixy Stix, figuring out the "devil's work" clue, envisioning ELF OWLS.
Well, at least the note helped me decide between DAM and JAM at 104A, so that's... something?
The NW felt a bit harder than typical Sunday fare. RARELY before ADVERB (!), even though 1D really wanted to be CLAMBERS, LIVE AMMO not being a familiar phrase to me, and then Escalade - I knew it was a car but I needed a few crosses to remember that it's a CADILLAC. Also there's SCOOPER which looks like a bit of an Odd Job*-type entry to me.
In the middle N, I felt truly Saturday-stuck. Looking back at a replay of my solve (I solve on Down for a Cross which has that feature), that section alone took as much time to finish as an entire Monday puzzle. I put in AGASSI, erased it, got GOTTAGO and then guessed TEENAGE, from the terminal S in 6A I got SEE PAST, and then with the initial G from GOTTAGO, I guessed... GRILLES on the Jeep clue. I thought maybe some Jeeps were special (??) and got a GRILLE on the back.
*for the uninitiated, Odd Job is a Rex term for answers of the "verb + -ER" form that don't look like words that people would actually use. They mostly came up in those ultra low-word count themeless grids with huge 7x7 corners of white space.
I did it in pen in the Sunday magazine and therefore had to figure out the rotation myself. Far from a slog, for me that was the best part. I’m sorry the app takes away that pleasure and does it itself.
Oh. I thought the answer was "EL FOWL". (Not really. I actually got that one. I'm just trying to lighten my mood after completing that horrible puzzle.)
I dunno, I hate squares with no crosses. I almost stopped solving, I never do that. I kept at it and the rotation gimmick actually helped me with jAM/DAM and another place or two. I had GASCApS for far too long. I thought TRANSIT and below it TRAINSET was kinda cool. I used to date someone who loved INXS. Didnt end well. Didn't once well for Michael Hutchence, their singer, either. I had aOne instead of TOPS and nothing else was gelling in the SE corner, I knew something was off. thought maybe it was WIN. but no, I fixed it to TOPS and everything fell into place. SOLARPUNK? please, is that really a thing? 79A I thought the Deadheads would disagree with this.
I need HELP!! I got the right answers pre-safecracking. And then I have tried several times to rotate the letters to no avail. I tried removing one letter and replacing with another, I tried removing all 4 letters on each dial and replaced with the new letters, I tried to adhere to the number of degrees the letters need to "turn" and still nothing!
I'd hate for my "streak" to end on a technicality. One of you good people please help me save the streak.
Am I not supposed to feel gratified, or satisfied, when I complete a puzzle, rather than feeling like someone just wasted my time? This puzzle was an abomination.
"Solve on the app! It's how the puzzles are designed to be solved"? I've never before seen this advice. No wonder the NYTXW has been so crappy/creepy of late. The NYT decided to monetize its crossword and put WS in charge of collecting the revenue. (BTW they did the same with recipes, which have also gone down the drain due to sloppy editing).
When I first looked at this thing (I hesitate to call it a crossword puzzle), I considered just passing on it. I proceeded, as I am addicted. I finished, albeit with an error, and don't give a damn. GOTTA GO.
solve online. if they're gonna do this, then it would have been nice to have had to DO SOMETHING to "turn the locks" rather than just have an animation...after all the build up in the instructions.
As a rotary-wing test pilot, I'm offended by the Type-ist nature of G-SUIT ;) G-suits are only worn by _fighter_ test pilots, to pull Gs. Those of us testing helicopters or less maneuverable fixed-wing aircraft have no such requirement.
@SandyMcCrosky I dunno - I find @Lewis' effervescent and always positive comments to the constructors uplifting and enjoyable for most of us here. ¯\_(ใ)_/¯
I filled in every correctly except for JAM/DAM. I would have caught that but once I had done enough of the dial turning to see that the key word was JACKPOT I BAGgedIT as I had already wasted enough time on this nonsense.
I completed this fukakta puzzle. All the little lights and spins happened. Came here to find out what the encircled, locked letters meant. Do we know yet?!!
The whole reason they jettisoned .PUZ format a few years ago was so they could implement cutesy crap like this. And it only required sacrificing intuitive keyboard behaviors for the world's clunkiest interface ever that continually makes me generate typos without noticing it and having to hunt through the whole puzzle to spot and correct.
40 weejects -- more, if U count the rotated-in ones … JACKPOT! staff weeject picks: The rotatin PEA-PAL.
Took M&A for-ever to solve that upper middle GASCANS block. And then there was the dreaded SOLARPUNK/ETIENNE/BAGIT thingy. Hard-fought solvequest, thanx mainly to them two areas.
Like humor in my SunPuzthemes. Didn't get much. The theme approach was definitely different, tho -- kinda like different, even without the humor. sooo … ok. Not sure what other commenters thought, other than @RP. There were 141 posted comments, when I got here … usually that many comments mean that there was somethin to please and displease everybody, in this rodeo. We shall see …
Kinda liked that ADVERB clue. And learnin about NEGATRONs.
Thanx for that there "scare of a lifetime", Mr. Schlossberg dude. har
As for JAM vs DAM - that problem is solved by noticing that J is the only letter that makes the rotation work (PBS > PBJ). This was not hard.
I did not find the “rotation” thing inspiring, but once I understood what he was telling us, I didn’t find it hard or tedious. But I was doing it on the actual NYT Magazine, so I could see the circles. (I do the rest of the week on iPad app, but I love doing the Sunday in ink on the magazine paper. It’s the way I learned.)
Didn’t really enjoy this one with all the short words. And I like a theme, especially on Sundays.
@Alice Pollard: This Deadhead does indeed disagree with 79A.
So bummed… I did all of the rotating myself like a dummy and the puzzle wouldn’t complete. Had to undo all of the rotating to get a completion. Completely frustrating.
I am done with Sunday puzzles after decades of solving them. It’s simply not fun —and for me this was the worst of a terrible streak of Sunday puzzles. Why is it so hard to create an enjoyable puzzle on a Sunday ?
I had the jAM/DAM issue, too, but the rotation conceit solved that -- they are not "unchecked squares" as Rex would have it but squares checked in a weird way.
Other clues to go in my "Really, Rex didn't find that simple to guess/remember/get from crosses?" pile:
ONTAPE (The first audiobook brand I remember was simply "Books on Tape," to the point where sometimes I still call them that. Books "On Disk" was never a thing -- Books on CD, maybe, but that doesn't fit.) ETIENNE (I mean, once the E goes in, isn't it pretty obvious? 7 letters, French male name, starts with E?) USA (A rocket with USS on it? The USS Saturn V? You've watched a moon launch video, ever?) GASCANS SEIKO (Sanyo? For a watchmaker?) GAY (super well-known lyric)
I agree with the critique of the design -- where are the longs? -- but your clue critique is as bad as it's ever been, today.
@DanielT@1:08 I just read your comment about Mister Rogers @SandyMcCroskey 12:04 wrote re: Lewis - loved it ๐. I'm glad someone else agrees with me :)
Read the instructions. Saw the answers with no crosses, and my immediate reaction was, oh, you can use the rotational thingy to figure out the answers where there are no rosses. So DAM dropped in without any problem.
I haven't the slightest clue what Timon of Athens is about (though now I know he was a misanthrope). But aren't the titles of Shakespeare's plays pretty much common knowledge, just from reading stuff over the years?
Thoroughly enjoyed this puzzle. Deducing JACKPOT by rotating the "locks" I had already filled in correctly allowed me to get a few of the letters I had been struggling with (e.g. DAM instead of JAM).
I wonder if QUEEN really has the longest-running rock fan club. The Grateful Dead's Deadheads date back to 1971. Queen was formed in 1970, so unless their fan club sprung up almost immediately, the 'Heads might actually have the edge.
. . . also never heard of "Pixy Stix" (?!), no idea what CSIS are or who/what/where the hell FOMO is. Has it become somehow illegal or unhip (un-"hep") to provide clues/answers in actual decipherable English words?
So for the folks who had JAM instead of DAM, the rotation trick actually can get you out of this, as it did for me. The instructions actually help!
When you do the rotations, if that's your only mistake, you can see JACKPOT, but the instructions *also* say that the right rotation for any given dial is one that leaves valid words in all the other slots, so J rotates around to the left side to form LOAJ, which breaks the rule.
So it has to be DAM.
This was the only thing that kept me from a DNF on this, sorry to see it tripped up others!
I worked this puzzle with pen and paper. Rotated each lock in my mind and saw all the 4 new words (Hello dam/load) that were created, BUT!! Am I the only one bothered that the “12 o’clock” letters when puzzle was completed spelled JACK with no need to unscramble, but the bottom 3 locks spelled OPT. Took me way too long to see JackPot and not JackOpt!
Playing on my phone, I wasn’t able to finish, even though all of my answers were correct. Changed jam to dam when I saw I needed the letter to work in two positions. Entered the rotating letters the way they were clued. Nothing. Changed the letters to the rotated position (following the instructions to rotate). Nothing. Never got to congratulations until I gave in and asked to reveal the grid, only to have to put the letters back in their original position. I got the congratulations after I ruined my streak. Blech.
I was so very confused for quite a while, because I took the note to mean that after rotating the dials, it wouldn’t just form a new set of words…but words that also still fit the clues.
Why did I jump to this conclusion? Well, maybe because that’s a version of the stunt that might have actually been worth the candle?
(As it was, I was baffled when it turned out to only be what it was.)
I dislike themes that are just a post-solve "clever" observation, vs. themes that, once figured out, can help you fill the grid. Today's was the latter. As a few folks have mentioned (but only a few compared with the host of JAM/DAM complainers), J cannot work because LOAJ is not a word. That is the check on the "unchecked" square. And far from being a "slog", as soon as I had a section filled I mentally did the rotation in approximately 2 seconds to confirmed everything worked. Besides JAM/DAM, the fact that the rotated letters had to form valid words helped me with 2 other answers. Fun puzzle, will take it over "delightful" long answers like BOOMROASTED any day!
I solve the print version of the puzzle so can't imagine the experience you all had at the end. Yikes. Going to look for a Ted Talk on Solar Punk. (P.S. love the English Beat, my fave album.)
I seem to be the only solver who liked the puzzle. Yes difficult, but I judge a gimmick by whether it helps me to uncover some answers where I needed a boost, and this one did that 4 or 5 times. At first I thought the instructions were the kind that I didn't care about, but in this case, they yielded a unique and fun experience. Cool theme, new and interesting. Took me longer than usual, but I liked it.
Yvonne said: This puzzle gave me a lot of frustration (and it’s good to know I had company), but “ELF OWL” made it all worthwhile. Thanks to this weird puzzle and Google, I was charmed to learn of the world’s tiniest owl, weighing in at only 1.4 oz. and nesting in woodpecker holes. Someone should write a children’s book!
I'm with (seems like) everyone here. What a miserable puzzle. And on top of all the awkward, cramped fill, plenty of "trick" clues with no question marks or anything. When I finally got "ADVERB" in the top left after leaving that section for a while, all I could give was a string of swears.
Literally the worst New York Times crossword puzzle I've ever solved. I felt defeated and slightly angry. The only consolation is that I knew there would be a scathing Rex Parker review of it. Thanks.
Came here specifically to see if anyone else had "jAM in place of DAM. I see that I was not the only one. "Jam up" is perfectly legitimate, as my printer will verify all too frequently. And no cross to check the answer.
Also typed SANYO before moving to SEIKO. Also hung up on 108A as I was focused on A-ONE. I knew it wasn’t right but that held me up on the corner. Once I got TOPS then it all fell into place. The concept helped me here as I knew that needed a letter to follow SWA-. Not the worst concept but some of the answers felt clueless. MAA is just wrong…
Well, I enjoyed solving this one, perhaps because I was turning the dials in my head long before the app did it. Halfway through, I knew the answer was going to be JACKPOT. Seeing the dials turn themselves was kind of a satisfying conclusion. Jam/dam was bad, I will grant.
Just finished this in print (I do the NYT puzzles on old-fashioned paper, delivered to the house every day). After following the instructions and duly hitting the ostensible "JACKPOT," I felt like Ralphie in "A Christmas Story" (not one of my favorite movies, to put it mildly, but it has its redeeming features) after he gets his long-awaited Ovaltine decoder ring, excitedly works through the code, and realizes he has solved...an advertisement. All that for THIS? Pshaw.
DNF. Way, WAY too many PPPs, most unknown (and many unknowable by 95+% of all solvers). FAR too many letter add-ons, GCLEF and the like. But what really nailed me was the absolutely, for-sure-known, rhyme for "away":
Solved from a newspaper so I had to manually crack the code which I think made it easy to find the error of the day: jam rather than dam.
I found this easier than most here which is my usual. Puzzles rated easy by Rex, I struggle with and those rated medium or challenging I find easier. Did keep reading Elf owls as El fowls though. Doh! NE corner was the only part that took me a bit of time to figure out. I thought ark for “partner ship?” was clever.
This is possibly the most negative review I have ever read from Rex. I know, he writes many negative reviews. But not THIS negative. I agree; this is one of the worst Sunday puzzles we have ever solved. My wife and I have been solving together for quite a while. Truly a terrible puzzle!
My local paper runs the syndicated version which had no instructions. I figured out the rotating thing and changed jam to dam. But then sat there thinking is that all? I didn’t see the jackpot. But I still think is that all?
Unlike OFL, I found this one fairly easy. And more rewarding -- probably because I did the paper version rather than the app. Not great, mind you, but better than terrible. A small bit of fun figuring out the JACKPOT. Both Etienne and Stephane are French forms of English Steven/Stephen -- and both are commonly used in Canada.
As if the inherent problems with the puzzle weren't bad enough, and as if losing out on the animation and all in syndication weren't a problem, on the Seattle Times site for the second time in a year, they split one clue into two numbers, leaving every across after it one clue away, and giving no clue at all for the last across answer. Awful. (The missing clue, if anyone's in this situation, is 128. Tweaks)
I actually didn't mind doing the "key turn" myself (did the print puzzle in the NYT have some sort of graphic beyond just the circled spaces?), but the whole thing was just too much of a slog. When you've got this much going on, you can't make some of these so unnecessarily hard. Especially when there are no crosses--if they only way we're supposed to know that it's "DAM" and not "jAM" is the stuff we're only supposed to do after we've solved, something's very wrong.
Late to the party on this one but on my app it doesn't show any title or instructions before solving, and then I have overlays turned off because of one puzzle where they straight-up obscured the board so I didn't get anything after either. If it's meant to be done on the app the app should be showing the instructions beforehand and they should remind you to turn overlays on--but I have mine off for a reason! Once I turned them on the motion of the dials hurt my eyes and I had to turn them off again. Plus a crossword should be able to stand out of context.
104A is a natick
ReplyDeleteDam might be slightly better but jam works fine and there are no crosses at all
J’agree. 100%
DeleteBut “loaj” is not a word.
DeleteYou need the D in Dam for the rotation to change LOAN into LOAD
DeleteBut you can’t spin it.
DeleteNo, only Dam works because when you rotate the dials, the D creates LOAD. j makes nonsense in each direction
DeleteI had jam at first but changed it to meet the rotation rule to avoid LOAJ. There’s your cross, so to speak.
DeleteYou are all right. But the rotation was idiotic.
DeleteThe gimmick got me to the right option between dam and jam, so I got to do the intellectual work of spinning myself to get there. I was hoping that once the grid was filled, I would be able to rotate each of the rings to the right place, but no. I didn't feel as ripped off as Rex did, but that's only thans to the Natick.
DeleteTotally concur with Rex on this FOMO is a nonsense word for me,, NUGGETS doesn't mean "fun facts" in my book, INXS spells nothing meaningful, and as Rex points out, MAA means nothing either. A real PPP-laden slog, exaccereby tbe fact that thegrid isolates many sectors... you can't get "outside" help when you get stuck...
ReplyDeleteCorrection: .... exacerbated by the fact that the grid....
DeleteINXS is the name of a famous band
Delete"INXS" is read like "In Excess", if that's what you perhaps were looking for
DeleteINXS is the name of a band
DeleteFOMO= Fear of missing out, i.e. that your friends are all having fun without you. Thus why you might check social media to see if people are posting about events you werent invited to, I guess?
DeleteThat being said, they could have had a better clue to get to FOMO.
Medium-tough for me too. Unfortunately, the NYT Games iPad app did not show the rotated solution. Fortunately when I checked my completed puzzle on the NYT Games web page the JACKPOT was graphically revealed, which is a good thing because there was no chance of me actually doing it.
ReplyDeleteI appreciate the feat of construction, but yeesh, figuring out the “appropriate exclamation” would have been above and beyond…. Just reading the instructions was a tad painful.
That said, I kinda liked the puzzle, but @Rex is right, “delightful” is not a word I would use to describe it.
WOEs: PLATT, MITZI, ELFOWLS, OBLIGEE, NAN, TILE, SPENCE,
My phone didn’t show “jackpot” either — so I’m glad we have Rex.
DeleteThe word "jackpot" really has nothing to do with safecracking. It seems to fit more with winning at, say, a slot machine. Kind of a pointless puzzle.
ReplyDeleteSolved this in about 75% of normal Sunday time, but then ... it wasn't right. I spent several minutes checking everything before getting a DNF because of an uncrossed kealoa: jAM (up) instead of DAM (up). I suppose technically only one of these allowed for turning the dial, but I feel about the same as Rex on the whole safe conceit. It certainly never occurred to me to consider that when checking my answers -- it felt like a bonus to look at after finishing.
ReplyDeleteWhat a letdown.
THIS!!! I solved it, didn’t get the music. Went through and “rotated” all the letters thinking that’s what was preventing me from winning. Found that jam should have been dam, finished rotating, still no music. Went back and un-rotated everything, finally got the music. And yeah, it was my mistake but still with this and the vague instructions, it was completely unclear if I wasn’t getting the music because I had a mistake or because I hadn’t completed some vague task the puzzle wanted me to do. The instructions did say the rotations were standing between you and the end, after all. And the lack of clarity added probably 2 minutes to my overall time. HATE IT.
DeleteAnyone have JAM instead of DAM for Block up? I hate squares that don’t have crosses.
ReplyDeleteYup! Broke my solve streak.
DeleteI did this without cheats, checks or other aids in about my average Sunday time. That said, it was probably the worst solving experience of my life, or at least my Sunday puzzle-solving life. There's no theme that relates in any way to the solving experience. The "About this Puzzle" hint is pretty much a TL;DR. There is no answer longer than 9 letters. The techno-gimmick at the end even shows you the answer, presumably on the assumption that you didn't finish reading the hint. I'm generally a mini-@Lewis as far as having positive feelings about every NYT puzzle, but I admit that I have none about this one, other than that people in the Southwest call fowls "EL FOWLS". Don't they know it should be Los Fowls?
ReplyDeleteElf owls - took me a sec to parse it right
DeletejAM instead of DAM. Sheesh.
ReplyDeleteLooked forever for my mistake... Found it at jAM instead of DAM. Unchecked square, no wonder.
ReplyDeleteTotally agree with Rex. Not all the same rough spots, but all the grrrr
ReplyDeleteReading the comment, I knew Across Lite would not handle something like rotating squares, so I just went ahead and solved without worrying about it. Then, I went to the NYT web page, took a deep breath, and typed in the entire grid. After which... like Rex said... the squares automatically rotated without allowing me to do anything. A big letdown! Surely someone got their wires crossed at the NYT.
ReplyDeleteMy last square was the A in MAA crossing PLATT and when it was successful, I didn't have any idea WTF MAA meant. I still think it's pretty lame.
At 111 across, I had S----PUNK which had to be STEAMPUNK which is a real thing I've heard of, even though it didn't fit the clue.
[Spelling Bee: Sat currently -1; missing only an eleven letter pangram FOR THE SECOND DAY IN A ROW!! I will keep trying as my 12 day streak is in peril.]
Total agreement on this one. Today's puzzle might have earned a spot on the cover of "Crossword Constructors Monthly" for its "clever" jackpot twist, but it's a real chore for the solver. And no fun long answers, which we can usually count on from a Sunday puzzle. Nice writeup, Rex!
ReplyDeleteHad jAM for “Block (up)” and with no down to check my answer, absolutely couldnt find my error. Ugh.
ReplyDeleteI looked at ELFOWLS for a long time and thought, “El fowls? I guess in the Southwest, maybe that is some sort of Spanish-named bird.”
ReplyDeleteSame here! Spanish is not my strong suit, so I went with that in my head.
DeleteCool, I loved spending ten minutes poring over my solved grid to realize that 104A: “Block (up)” was DAM and not JAM, as I had written — and with no crosses the only way to know is that when you rotate you get LOAJ instead of LOAD? Woof.
ReplyDeleteThat's the only way I managed to get that right: realizing the rotated answer had to be LOAD instead of "LOAj." Not a cross exactly, but for me it served the same purpose.
Delete
ReplyDeleteI found the puzzle fairly easy ... until it wasn't. At 49D I had bAA before MAA. That made the 46A Shakespearean character TIbON, which looked fine to me, since there are lots of The Bard's characters that I don't know.
Didn't get the happy music. Checked all the acrosses. No errors. Checked the downs. All looked good. I had skipped reading the intro text so I tried doing that and hypothesized … er, POSITed that you might have to enter the shifted letters into place. Did that slog for all 7x4=28 squares. No joy. Switched 'em all back (slog squared) and was about to throw in the towel … er, BAG IT when on my umpteenth recheck I happened to notice the 49D thing. Changed bAA to MAA and ... JACKPOT!
My lawyer says that the 49D clue, "Here's looking at you, kid," is clearly addressed to a kid, not said by a kid so BAA is the better answer.
last letter i changed to get the spinning nonsense was Baa to Maa. i obviously agree with your lawyer
DeleteWhat I have learned from crosswords is that the giraffe’s blue-tongued relative is the TAPIR and that sheep say BAA and goats say MAA.
DeleteI completed the crossword, got the congratulations, had the animation start for the locks, but now my timer hasn't stopped and when I back out and go back in, it tells me I still have clues to solve, even though the lock turning animation is still going...
ReplyDeleteSaw the joke after slogging thru the top two thirds and then I just quit. Yes I see what the constructor was able to do but they couldn't translate the tour de force into an enjoyable puzzle for the solver
ReplyDeleteMaybe the most boring Sunday puzzle of all time. What a let down. It was like doing an oversized Monday puzzle. No payoff at all.
ReplyDeleteFor me, MAA was ungettable, especially crossed with a Broadway actor PLATT. In general, Broadway references are challenge squares for those of us who don’t frequent Midtown, or the Eastern Seaboard for that matter. And CINE was lost to me. I had FILM and then WINE (because, sure?) but it felt gotcha to me even with the Cannes “hint.” Other parts were hard but fun for this novice player.
ReplyDeleteI also had "film" initially but immediately changed it when I considered why Cannes was in the clue and also guessing (accurately, it turned out) that CINE was a more crossword-friendly response.
DeleteHad jam instead of dam, and I assert it's legit!
ReplyDeleteI had the opposite problem, namely, I (correctly) “rotated” the squares before I was done filling in all the non-lock squares, but when the grid was complete, didn't get the happy music. So I had to go back and re-“rotate” the squares to their original position before getting the happy music. Grrr.
ReplyDeleteThe second I saw this, I thought, "Rex is gonna be triggered."
ReplyDeleteWay way way too needlessly hard. Because of the gimmick (which I agree was dumb with no payoff), each quadrant was totally isolated. Managed to slog my way through everything super slowly until I got to the NE which proved basically impossible for me. Only had AORTA and nothing else was coming to me. GSUIT is always impossible for me to think of, never heard of the SPENCE guy, the second you put “abbr” in a clue I know I’m done for (will never ever ever be able to parse one of those without almost every cross), and ELF OWLS (EL FOWLS?) is just the most ridiculous wordlist word ever. Finally KENT popped into my head which gave me UNDERTOW and I was able to eke it out. Then I got my…JACKPOT? Uuuugh
ReplyDeleteFor those who like that sort of thing, that is the sort of thing they like.
ReplyDeletedidn’t assume that the NYT app would do the rotating automatically upon finish (cause then why even bother!), particularly because the instructions don’t make a distinction, so I did the rotating myself before totally completing the grid and added at least 10 minutes to my time looking for errors before deciding to turn them all back. miserable!
ReplyDeleteI did the same. Ended up as a streak buster. My big problem was ARm instead of ARK. And it worked with TEAm. Was thinking like walking a “partner” down the aisle or to an event? But then I rotated. Still no congrats. Made tweaks elsewhere (the M in MAA, mainly). Ran the alphabet. Looked elsewhere. Finally gave up after 20 extra minutes and hit auto check.
DeleteMaybe my least favorite puzzle yet.
Let's not forget that the capacity to do such animations was the sole reason (well, that and money) that the New York Times placed roadblocks to solving on any app but its own and retroactively converted its archive to NYTimes app-only online solves.
ReplyDeleteNow tell me, friends, don't animations such as today's make it all worth it?
Hard Sunday. Alas a lot of that was due to PPP beyond my ken like SPENCE, MITZI, PLATT and MYA.
ReplyDeleteHad a DNF at GAS CANS/NEGATRON, which was actually my third choice for that cross, behind GAS CAmS and GAS CApS.
I did not care for the theme at all. Or more precisely, I did not care about the theme at all. It seems to barely exist and add absolutely nothing to the puzzle experience.
The word must have gone out to crossword editors that Stranger Things is to take the place of Game of Thrones as the show that we are supposed to know everything about. Stranger Things has appeared I think four times in the last month in NYT clues, and has been popping up on Universal Crosswords as well.
Best part of the puzzle today? Coming here to read OFL's review and hear some Pretenders.
ReplyDeleteFor those who had jAM instead of DAM: this was one of the places the gimmick actually helped me. Whatever letter was in that box also had to work with the new word when the dial was rotated. Having completed the rest, I figured the letter had to be able to compete "LOA-" logically, so a J wouldn't work.
ReplyDeleteThat said, I still failed because for some reason I figured Jeeps had GASCApS instead of GASCANS and somehow convinced myself that a pEGATRON was a thing.
Yawn
ReplyDeleteDNF - had JAM instead of DAM at 104A and of course no crosses to check it. Go to hell puzzle.
ReplyDeleteNo fun at all. I solved on the app, which means I couldn’t see the instructions, came here to get the instructions, and then manually did the rotating, which did not happen automatically because I’ve got a typo in there somewhere but have no interest in tracking it down. Thus ends a worthy streak. I can’t be bothered with this unrewarding nonsense.
ReplyDeleteWhy couldn't you see the instructions on the app? Doesn't the "i" at the top of the screen have the slowly oscillating circle reminding you to look? I'm on an iPhone, so perhaps it is different in other formats, IDK.
DeleteA lot of gimmick, a lot of stunt, not much of a puzzle. Definitely not very enjoyable - more like a cure for insomnia. I wish they would give this stuff its own section and publish a themeless crossword puzzle on a daily basis. They could even have a gimmick constructors corner where they could all compare notes on how tough it is to JAM up your grid with crap and no crosses to check on it.
ReplyDeletePointless gimmick. Ridiculously segmented for no reason. Basically solving 9 difficult minis, each with multiple unchecked squares. Oh, joy!
ReplyDeleteAlso had the JAM instead of DAM error. Couldn’t find it until I tried rotating everything, which was a slog.
ReplyDeleteGratifying to learn everyone else was jammed up at the end as I was, trying in vain to see where I’d gone wrong. A detestable stupid puzzle. God how I hate these conceits that are irrelevant to solving itself.
ReplyDeleteRandom thoughts:
ReplyDelete• What a remarkable mind to come up with this concept! Turning a puzzle into a safe with knobs that have to be turned into the right position, and figuring out a payoff for when the safe opens up. This is a mind with a fertile imagination.
• What a build! The nuts and bolts of translating this concept into a working grid – coming up with the dials, getting each dial to create two and only two positions that work with the surrounding letters. Oh, the constrictions! Oh, the experimentation that had to be done to make it work! This took admirable skill and fortitude.
• Thus, a puzzle with art and science behind it.
• All this is for naught, however, if not in service to the solver, if it is not satisfying to solve. I found areas that filled in easily, spiced up with some knotty spots that got my brain to sit up and get cracking – a combination I savor. I also found the theme in service to my solve, where mentally turning those knobs confirmed an answer, or gave me a letter I needed.
I love standard wordplay themes, but I also love seeing the envelope pushed – when it works. And work it did for me today. This was a delight, Michael. Thank you, and I greatly look forward to what you will come up with next!
I’m with you. Not my favorite puzzle ever, but I appreciated an alternate approach to “check the down clue!” for resolving things like dam/jam. And I liked spinning the dial mentally to see if all four letters could be moved coherently in the same direction. And I REALLY liked the fact that I didn’t have to PHYSICALLY spin those dials at the end for the payoff. I definitely struggled with the right side of the grid though.
DeleteThis comment has been removed by the author.
ReplyDelete8 of 10 solve but 0 of 10 payoff. I agree with Rex today. At the end I just asked, “Why?”
ReplyDeleteI solve old-style, in the magazine. The Cartier ad on the facing page was a convenient place to do my rotation figuring! Anyone else?
ReplyDeleteAnonymous 8:08 AM
DeleteDidn’t notice the ad Used the margins a bit.
Good advice for future reference!
I solved on Across Lite, as always, so I didn’t get the animation. The rotation post-solve was quite simple, and I got it after J-A-C (maybe just J-A). I think I maybe would have enjoyed the animation because the puzzle itself was pretty sloggy.
ReplyDeleteThis puzzle was TDS!
ReplyDeleteDidn’t even get the thrilling graphics when completed on the latest ios app. From the get go, saw the what, keyhole? inverted exclamation mark?
Cake wasn’t worth the batter…
This really jammed me up: I had "JAM" instead of "DAM" and there was no %^&*ing cross to know why JAM wasn't a reasonable answer for "Block (up)". That crap makes me mad.
ReplyDeleteWay too many 3s, which are so so so boring...
I hate any type of rebus, circle, square, shade, misdirection, reverse, etc. Now, as an alternate source of entertainment, they would be great. Just give me a standard crossword and make the clues as clever as possible. Just my lame opinion…
ReplyDeleteSundays have lost any entertainment value. And they have gotten at least as difficult as Saturday (which for a time were getting rather tame for Saturdays but, of late, seem to belong in another publication for a different audience.) Why subscribe?
ReplyDeleteTotally agree...I've been losing my enjoyment of the NYT puzzles...but I keep coming back...why? Hope? Masochism?
DeleteEnd of STREAK.
ReplyDeleteMiserable experience.
This is maybe the worst crossword I've ever done.
ReplyDeleteWell. All I can say is when @egs gently disses a puzzle and only has one wordplay joke…things are certainly amiss! Pretty much agree with everyone else about the fact that I cared NOT about the puzzle gimmick one iota and didn’t care to figure out what word was “unlocked” by the solve. Since I don’t care about my iPad preserving a “streak” (nor I care about a “streak”), at the end I did “Check puzzle” which x’ed out the J in jam. Yeah…don’t kea loa an “uncrossed” letter.
ReplyDelete@Andrew, TDS!? I looked THAT up and I got the “text” meaning as Trump Derangement Syndrome, with one “sublink” saying it meant “totally dipshit.” Hah! I have more energy in knowing what you intended than I do the puzzle!
Beeper
DeleteAs many have pointed out -AM was “crossed “ by the gimmick. Couldn’t be jam as LOAj wouldn’t work. So I think it the clue/ answer is fair, given the theme. Whether you like the gimmick or not, is a totally different question!
I happened to like it, It helped me solve the puzzle
Agree with your assessment of 4-21 puzzle....it's just s**t, gimmicky, themeless, some needlessly repetitive answers, all short words. Give me a complex theme any day rather that this model.
ReplyDeleteThe worst part of solving this was the realization about halfway through that “they’re just going to animate the lock solution immediately, aren’t they?” Because they always do this when there’s a gimmick like this. 28 uncrossed letters and endless short fill slog, just so the Times’ crossword team could be amused by an animation.
ReplyDeleteReading and assimilating the instructions was NOT pointless; it prevented the Dam/Jam" issue so many are complaining about. Unless y'all think "Loaj" is a word.
ReplyDeleteWhat great fun! When I had completed the puzzle on paper I made a copy. Then I cut out all the little circles that were safe dials and put them on my original and rotated them until I got all the new words! Oh joy! Rapture!
ReplyDeleteOK, I didn't do any of that, but my paper copy didn't do the rotation by itself, so I did it mentally and thought, oh. OK. That's it, I guess. I did not think JACKPOT!
In addition to the pop culture folks I've not heard of, which many of you have named already, I found out today that TIMON of Athens was a misogynist. Somehow made it through a college Shakespeare course without reading that one. Also, methane gas is a RIPENER for tomatoes. Who knew? Nice to see my guy Colbert, who is becoming indispensable.
Heck of a construction feat, MS. A Mighty Stunt puzzle indeed. Thanks for a fair amount of fun.
The clue said ‘misanthrope,’ not ‘misogynist.’
DeleteWeird. I solved with the app but got no animation. Had to solve it in my head like some sort of adult
ReplyDeleteI dunno - I did this on paper so spinning the dials mentally was a fun little mental challenge. But I read the instructions about a secret word and correctly guessed that it would be JACKPOT before putting a single word in the grid, so that kind of blew the final surprise.
ReplyDeleteI was sure of bAA and never thought it could be MAA because didn't know TIMON and figured TIbON was just as likely. I get the jAM vs. DAM confusion at first but not if you solve the last part of the puzzle. LOAj is not a word. "Luckily" I had the one mistake that forced me to figure out JACKPOT before the software could do it for me. Still didn't help with the bAA/MAA confusion. DNF for me.
ReplyDeleteI am done with the NYT crossword. This was the biggest piece of garbage puzzle and absolutely ruined my Sunday morning. Does anybody have recommendations for better puzzles that don't intentionally waste my time with obscure trivia, obscure proper nouns, and stupid gimmicky garbage like this? What a stupid waste of time. Just give me a normal regular Sunday crossword and cut the crap. DONE. DONE. DONE.
ReplyDeleteI so agree! I've asked for recommendations but never get them. Here's a few I use: https://dailycrosswordlinks.com/
Deletehttps://rosswordpuzzles.com/
https://qvxwordz.blogspot.com/
I find the LA Times Sunday puzzle usually more workable with far less fluflaw:
Deletehttps://www.latimes.com/games/daily-crossword
Plus, access is FREE!
Thank you! I'll check them out
DeleteLoathed it. Tried to give it a chance after reading the instructions (ugh,) but quit after seven minutes and seeing asinine clues about nobody boxers and translated math. I've learned to not waste time on these Sundays and move on with life.
ReplyDeletePS: STOP IT WITH THE TRANSLATE THIS MATH CRAP, GOOD GOD BE MORE CREATIVE
I'm yet another jAM/DAM sufferer. The gimmick helped me figure that out, and then I still had to swap in GASCAN for GASCAp, which I had toggled a few times... after repairing the damage from manually "rotating" the locks. Not full of love for this puzzle.
ReplyDeleteThe weather in Natick will be 54°F this afternoon - meeting a friend for shopping and dinner. The weather in Natick this morning was 47A and 104A.
ReplyDeleteHey All !
ReplyDeleteCracking puz! ๐คฃ
Interesting idea. Seems like it could use an additional Themer or two somewhere. I realize how tough this was to fill cleanly, but adding in a "safecracker" or something to do with a winning slot machine would've improved this greatly.
It is cool in its present form. Clearly tough to fill cleanly. Not only did the constructor have to get JACKPOT in the "dials", but had to come up with words that could be changed by changing one letter. 28 Times. 28!! Holy moly.
I'd've given up long before that. Har.
So props on the fill coming out any semblance of cleanly. With pretty good sized swaths of white space, see North Center and all four corners.
Wasn't sure at first what to write in the dials, thinking the letters in the dials would be put in the way they were supposed to end up. If that makes sense. Quickly disavowed myself of that notion, after rereading the note, and just started putting the answers in as they should be.For the WIN!
But, DNF. ๐ Had yOlO for FOMO, which also gave me ELyOWLS (sure, why not?) and LITZI. Also, bRag for CROW. EbOn/ECON, MIRa/MIRO. AH, ME. I'll blame it on that TEENAGE SOLAR PUNK.
Happy Sunday! YES, YOU!
Three F's
RooMonster
DarrinV
@Beezer 9:17
ReplyDeleteUsed TDS as shorthand for Tedious. But also a LIL shoutout to Rex for not publishing yesterday my comment that included an alternate clue re Jerry Rice TDS: “what many here suffer from?”
Either of your definitions would work, though I was referring to the former…and the frantic foaming he foments.
Clues were noticeably more difficult than the usual Sunday. I don't mind a challenging puzzle, but towards the end, I just wanted to be done with it.
ReplyDeleteQuite an architectural feat. Props to the constructor, Michael Schlossberg. Disappointed not to see YEGG :)
Checked the entire complete puzzle, acrosses and downs, and could not figure out the problem. Turned out to be DAM instead of jAM. Which was obvious once i looked for the rotation. I see others had this challenge.
ReplyDeleteMy puzzle rotated itself, which was a disappointment. I thought I was getting another mini puzzle at the end.
There were some fun ones in here. For some reason i kept thinking of symphony conductor needing a Batonset? Instead of a TRAINSET.
Yuck! Had one typo in the finished puzzle which I didn’t see until I rotated the locks as instructed but then fat fingered another typo so still no happy music. So rotated back and then caught my second type and so my long-running STREAK was finally saved from floating down the STREAM. Longest “solve” time ever.
ReplyDeleteWhy am I paying for something that just aggravates me every day ? Because I've been doing these things for 60 plus years and now I get no enjoyment whatsoever from them. I actually feel sorry for Rex having to comment every day on this drek. I'm trying to keep my mind challenged, but not at the cost of being pissed off at the start of every day. Bye...again.
ReplyDeleteJust here to join the chorus on MAA and JAM v DAM. I came to Rex today for the gloss on MAA, which I got but which still flummoxed me. I suppose his explanation must be right. Which is to say: it’s a terrible clue.
ReplyDeleteUncrossed squares feel like a basic violation of cruciverbalism, but it’s not as though they violate sacred writ. In this puzzle, only JAM v DAM violates the fundamental contract between constructor and solver: “Never strand the solver.” JAM v DAM cost me 20 minutes on a puzzle that was, for me, mostly a walk. Sure, MAA was garbage, but meh. Stuff happens.
Rex’s ranting today, OTOH, was hyperbolic, petty, downright priggish. Classic Rexranting. Once I got his gist I stopped reading, hit control-F for “MAA,” found it, said thank you, and quit reading. When Rex gets like this I feel sad and embarrassed for him, and I need to leave the kaffeeklatsch.
Such a fabulously cranky review! I read the instructions (like an adult) and worked the puzzle according to those instructions. I got the "O" in the bottom left rotator early on and then ran through some possible "safecracking" theme answers to quickly get Jackpot. Then that helped me nail some of the trickier rotator sections. For example, I knew that "JAM" couldn't be the solution in the bottom left because LOAJ isn't a word, so I worked back from LOA- to get DAM.
ReplyDeleteIn short, I played the puzzle on its own terms and found it to be a fun solve that added another layer of puzzling to an admittedly uninspiring fill.
Unpleasant from start to finish.
ReplyDeletePretty sure I got everything right (on the app), but no animation or happy music, back to the drawing board...
ReplyDeleteAs a Canadian Stephen who had to study French, at least ETIENNE is a gimme.
First of all, I never had any intention of rotating anything. It didn't sound like fun and I wasn't gonna.
ReplyDeleteBut would the puzzle, prior to rotation, be fun on its own? No, it wouldn't.
Title pig. Pixy Stix. Agent Deirdre's org. Longest running fan club. Band. Fabelmans role. Ghetto Supastar. Eleven's powers in Stranger Things. Distracted Boyfriend. Batman foe.
The most pointless, the most forgettable, the most NYT-unworthy collection of meaningless junk that I have ever seen collected in one place. With all the screens he's glued to and all the pop culture he consumes, it's a wonder that Michael Schlossberg ever had time to study internal medicine in the first place.
SPLAT!
What SHE said, LOL!
DeleteI enjoyed this much more than @RP did, but I agree with nearly all of his criticisms. Had a DNF due to Natick at ELFOWL crossing FOMO—never heard of the former; only vaguely recalled the latter (probably from x-words). ELmOWL/mOMO seemed not unreasonable. As OFL noted, the "unchecked" squares were in fact checked by the requirement to work with rotation, which would have rejected jAM in favor of DAM, but YEESH!
ReplyDeleteMAA seems to be the favored sound for all goats, vs BAA for all sheep, in the current NYT crossword patois. Kinda liked the clueing for that.
DAM/jAM here too. I agree with the others who push back against those who say the D is uncrossed.
ReplyDeleteAbout half the time on Sunday I get the "So close..." message and have to scour the grid to find my mistake. That's a slog, but it's my mistake, just as the J was today. I think I even recognized that the rotation was not likely to work but proceeded with the rest of the solve anyway.
Speaking of slogs, I'm about to submit this comment and click through some number of CAPTCHAs to prove that I'm not a robot.
Went back, deleted all the letters in the circles, filled them in again, correctly according to the clues, and this time got the music first, then the animations. So either I had a genuine error, or maybe I hadn't done one of my manual rotations corectly. Who knoes? Who cares?
ReplyDeleteI liked the puzzle. i didn't figure out MAA though. i get it now.
ReplyDeleteI misread the note and thought the letters that were rotating also formed a new four letter word. This worked with JEST but not with any of the others. But I hit the JACKPOT eventually.
ReplyDeleteThat top center gave me a lot of trouble with OBLIGEE, GAS CANS and TREE SAP. Throw in a crossing ABERRANT and NEGATRON and I floundered for a good many minutes.
I thought I was clever thinking of "going, going, gOne" for 36D but it's actually, "Going once, going twice, SOLD". I've been to enough auctions in my time so, duh. Going to auctions seemed to be a popular activity in the 70s. Lots of farm auctions in southern MN that decade, I guess.
Michael Schlossberg, this was an interesting Sunday theme, thanks!
I also followed instructions and was punished! I had to unrotate everything to get to complete. Grr.
ReplyDeleteAlso, the term “electron” was coined in 1891 by Johnstone Stoney who had previously been calling them “electrolions”. In 1906 Hendrik Lorentz opted to keep the name “electron” over a proposed change to “electrion” (electric+ion). MUCH later in a 1933 paper, Carl Anderson proposed changing “electron” to be the name for charged particles in general and “negatron” replace the current use of “electron”. pg 493 https://journals.aps.org/pr/pdf/10.1103/PhysRev.43.491
TLDR: electron predates the barely used term negatron
Very interesting, thank you!
DeleteOh, JACKPOT. The app did it for me. I started to do the spinners, but then I saw the letters moving on their own. Northeast and southeast put up a bit of a fuss, but otherwise the solve was the typical unmemorable slog. No longish answers is a disappointment from the outset.
ReplyDeleteUniclues (now with moving letters):
1 PIMPLY!
2 "Wish two of us could go with them."
3 Satan seizes SIRI.
4 Weird little food at a fancy restaurant you don't like but say you do rather than being accused of being a hillbilly.
5 It's time to toss the leftover currencies from your trips to Europe in the 70s.
6 Surprise exam on the vihuela.
1 TEENAGE PAID AD ADVERB (~)
2 STREAM KOI ARK NOTION
3 POSSESS SPAMMER QUEEN
4 URBANE ENDIVE NUGGETS
5 MOLD MONEY GOTTA GO
6 ABERRANT LUTE POP QUIZ
My Fascinating Crossword Uniclue Keepsake from Last Year: What an author wears to a reading in Venkatanarasimharajuvaripeta. SLAM POET SARI.
¯\_(ใ)_/¯
OHO! AHA!
ReplyDeleteLambs go BAA and cows go MOO and little kids go MAAing.
Also remember, "Mares eat oats and does eat oats and little lambs eat ivy"
Will Joel soon allow Mairzy doats and dozy doats and liddle lamzy divey
A kiddley divey too, wooden shoe?
I mean PADIDDLE is one thing (and one eye) but we’re entering the realm of the ABSURD!
MAIRZY DOATS
This was an utter stinkerissimo, undone (more accurately, never "done" in the first place) by excessive gimmickry and errors galore. I do not know why the NYT continues to waste space with this junk.
ReplyDelete๐
DeletePen on paper solve for me. I can see why Rex was miffed. The online version takes away all of the fun of solving the gimmick. I don’t think the blame lies with the constructor. The print version was pretty, pretty good.
ReplyDeleteAlternative puzzle title: Turnkey Operation.
This was the crossword equivalent of sitting in front of an electronic slots machine mindlessly losing money. Absolutely awful.
ReplyDeleteI’m virtually alone in liking this puzzle. Fun solve for me.
ReplyDeleteThe app didn’t rotate anything or allow me to rotate anything, except in my head. So I saw and corrected jam. The puzzle was underwhelming and thanks to Rex for pointing out why - no theme or surprising long answers. But I'm sure it was very complicated to assemble.
ReplyDeleteI never finished this - didn't care to. First time in awhile that I just gave up. No interest :(
ReplyDeleteWas this for us - or for the constructor?
I agree with Crossword Kev that the rotation thing added some nice dimensionality to the solve - and used the same strategy to fill in missing letters for a few rather annoying short clues. Overall this played pretty easy to me.
ReplyDeleteMAA, however, is absolutely execrable. Fortunately there are only so many ways to fill out PL_TT.
LOAJ is a song by the band Big Buzz. Not very famous, but the NYT has included equally weird fill in the past (OOX, LOJA, PGS).
ReplyDeleteThe “delightful” part came when I finally checked in with Rex to see he had the same reaction. Love a good pan where it is deserved. But, OTOH, it did keep me busy for a while. Faint praise is all I got.
ReplyDelete@Lewis "Random thoughts"? Really? They seem curated, rather, so as not to offend the setter and the Powers That Be. Not even a negative comment about the disappointing experience so many had with the app—a problem that would not reflect on the setter or perhaps even the editor?
ReplyDeleteI worked on paper, from the bottom up, and actually used the theme to finish, after I'd guessed the final word. Hence, figuring out the rotations was a welcome added complication.
Until I read the comments here, I was unaware that many solvers never had that opportunity, which might have made the puzzle a little more satisfying to them. Perhaps you had not read the comments either, or you felt that all had been said. But it might have some influence over there, I don't know, if you had added your voice to the chorus. I expected a brief mention of this issue after the sentence: “All this is for naught, however, if not in service to the solver, if it is not satisfying to solve.”
My rule of thumb is puzzles that are hard to construct are bad solves. This construction must have taken eons and is legitimately impressive. The experience as a solver, frankly, sucked. There was nothing fun about this. I read the instructions and my eyes glazed over. I knew this was going to be a slog from that moment, and I was right. I don’t know why they publish puzzles that serve to show off the constructors intellect instead of being fun. Glad this one is over with.
ReplyDeleteOkay. I give up. Why is ARK a partner ship?
ReplyDeleteTwo by two
DeleteThanks to all the anonymous posters who put the jAM crowd in their place. GAY took me a few seconds to get to after a little caroling. But Rex couldn’t get it, so it’s a rotten clue. Hah! I had no idea what MAA meant, but crosses got me there. No such luck on GASCApS and pEGATRON. Finally, do the puzzle using paper and pencil. No annoying handoff to software for the rotation step.
ReplyDeleteI solved in the mag and did my own mental rotating of the dials. Starting out, I saw that there was a note, but I didn't read it - in the past, I've found that the notes can reveal more than I want to know and take away some of the joy of solving. But today, about 3/4 of the way through, I realized I'd have no chance of understanding what was going on without it. I was disappointed - this "after the fact" kind of theme might be something to admire but for me doesn't add to the fun of figuring things out. I thought the work: reward ratio was off on this one. Interesting construction feat, but the "why" is lost on me.
ReplyDeleteI enjoyed CLAMBERS and POP QUIZ, learning SOLAR PUNK, being reminded of Pixy Stix, figuring out the "devil's work" clue, envisioning ELF OWLS.
I knew all the way through you'd hate it. It's what kept me going (I hated it, too)!
ReplyDeleteDon’t like it. Don’t get it. Don’t care.
ReplyDeleteApologies to @Nancy if I damaged your wall.
Well, at least the note helped me decide between DAM and JAM at 104A, so that's... something?
ReplyDeleteThe NW felt a bit harder than typical Sunday fare. RARELY before ADVERB (!), even though 1D really wanted to be CLAMBERS, LIVE AMMO not being a familiar phrase to me, and then Escalade - I knew it was a car but I needed a few crosses to remember that it's a CADILLAC. Also there's SCOOPER which looks like a bit of an Odd Job*-type entry to me.
In the middle N, I felt truly Saturday-stuck. Looking back at a replay of my solve (I solve on Down for a Cross which has that feature), that section alone took as much time to finish as an entire Monday puzzle. I put in AGASSI, erased it, got GOTTAGO and then guessed TEENAGE, from the terminal S in 6A I got SEE PAST, and then with the initial G from GOTTAGO, I guessed... GRILLES on the Jeep clue. I thought maybe some Jeeps were special (??) and got a GRILLE on the back.
*for the uninitiated, Odd Job is a Rex term for answers of the "verb + -ER" form that don't look like words that people would actually use. They mostly came up in those ultra low-word count themeless grids with huge 7x7 corners of white space.
ReplyDeletePERFECT TIME TO RETURN TO THE L.A. TIMES.
I did it in pen in the Sunday magazine and therefore had to figure out the rotation myself. Far from a slog, for me that was the best part. I’m sorry the app takes away that pleasure and does it itself.
ReplyDeleteElf Owl is indeed a southwestern bird species
ReplyDeleteElf Owl is a southwestern bird species
ReplyDeleteOh. I thought the answer was "EL FOWL".
Delete(Not really. I actually got that one. I'm just trying to lighten my mood after completing that horrible puzzle.)
I dunno, I hate squares with no crosses. I almost stopped solving, I never do that. I kept at it and the rotation gimmick actually helped me with jAM/DAM and another place or two. I had GASCApS for far too long. I thought TRANSIT and below it TRAINSET was kinda cool. I used to date someone who loved INXS. Didnt end well. Didn't once well for Michael Hutchence, their singer, either. I had aOne instead of TOPS and nothing else was gelling in the SE corner, I knew something was off. thought maybe it was WIN. but no, I fixed it to TOPS and everything fell into place. SOLARPUNK? please, is that really a thing? 79A I thought the Deadheads would disagree with this.
ReplyDelete@600 Because the animals boarded it in pairs.
ReplyDeleteI need HELP!! I got the right answers pre-safecracking. And then I have tried several times to rotate the letters to no avail. I tried removing one letter and replacing with another, I tried removing all 4 letters on each dial and replaced with the new letters, I tried to adhere to the number of degrees the letters need to "turn" and still nothing!
ReplyDeleteI'd hate for my "streak" to end on a technicality. One of you good people please help me save the streak.
THANK YOU
Am I not supposed to feel gratified, or satisfied, when I complete a puzzle, rather than feeling like someone just wasted my time?
ReplyDeleteThis puzzle was an abomination.
@ Sandy McCroskey (12:04)
ReplyDeleteShall we expect a critique of Mister Rogers next?
"Solve on the app! It's how the puzzles are designed to be solved"? I've never before seen this advice. No wonder the NYTXW has been so crappy/creepy of late. The NYT decided to monetize its crossword and put WS in charge of collecting the revenue. (BTW they did the same with recipes, which have also gone down the drain due to sloppy editing).
ReplyDeleteWhen I first looked at this thing (I hesitate to call it a crossword puzzle), I considered just passing on it. I proceeded, as I am addicted. I finished, albeit with an error, and don't give a damn.
GOTTA GO.
solve online. if they're gonna do this, then it would have been nice to have had to DO SOMETHING to "turn the locks" rather than just have an animation...after all the build up in the instructions.
ReplyDeleteAs a rotary-wing test pilot, I'm offended by the Type-ist nature of G-SUIT ;)
ReplyDeleteG-suits are only worn by _fighter_ test pilots, to pull Gs. Those of us testing helicopters or less maneuverable fixed-wing aircraft have no such requirement.
@SandyMcCrosky
ReplyDeleteI dunno - I find @Lewis' effervescent and always positive comments to the constructors uplifting and enjoyable for most of us here.
¯\_(ใ)_/¯
¯\_(ใ)_/¯
here's a nugget.. it is widely known that elf owls are very skilled at safe cracking. BOOM theme answer.
ReplyDeleteI filled in every correctly except for JAM/DAM. I would have caught that but once I had done enough of the dial turning to see that the key word was JACKPOT I BAGgedIT as I had already wasted enough time on this nonsense.
ReplyDeleteThe fill was unusually tough to hack through.
yd -0. QB7
I completed this fukakta puzzle. All the little lights and spins happened. Came here to find out what the encircled, locked letters meant. Do we know yet?!!
ReplyDeleteThe whole reason they jettisoned .PUZ format a few years ago was so they could implement cutesy crap like this. And it only required sacrificing intuitive keyboard behaviors for the world's clunkiest interface ever that continually makes me generate typos without noticing it and having to hunt through the whole puzzle to spot and correct.
ReplyDeleteI'm so glad.
40 weejects -- more, if U count the rotated-in ones … JACKPOT!
ReplyDeletestaff weeject picks: The rotatin PEA-PAL.
Took M&A for-ever to solve that upper middle GASCANS block. And then there was the dreaded SOLARPUNK/ETIENNE/BAGIT thingy. Hard-fought solvequest, thanx mainly to them two areas.
Like humor in my SunPuzthemes. Didn't get much. The theme approach was definitely different, tho -- kinda like different, even without the humor. sooo … ok. Not sure what other commenters thought, other than @RP. There were 141 posted comments, when I got here … usually that many comments mean that there was somethin to please and displease everybody, in this rodeo. We shall see …
Kinda liked that ADVERB clue. And learnin about NEGATRONs.
Thanx for that there "scare of a lifetime", Mr. Schlossberg dude. har
Masked & Anonymo10Us
**gruntz**
As for JAM vs DAM - that problem is solved by noticing that J is the only letter that makes the rotation work (PBS > PBJ). This was not hard.
ReplyDeleteI did not find the “rotation” thing inspiring, but once I understood what he was telling us, I didn’t find it hard or tedious. But I was doing it on the actual NYT Magazine, so I could see the circles. (I do the rest of the week on iPad app, but I love doing the Sunday in ink on the magazine paper. It’s the way I learned.)
Didn’t really enjoy this one with all the short words. And I like a theme, especially on Sundays.
@Alice Pollard: This Deadhead does indeed disagree with 79A.
So bummed… I did all of the rotating myself like a dummy and the puzzle wouldn’t complete. Had to undo all of the rotating to get a completion. Completely frustrating.
ReplyDeleteI am done with Sunday puzzles after decades of solving them. It’s simply not fun —and for me this was the worst of a terrible streak of Sunday puzzles. Why is it so hard to create an enjoyable puzzle on a Sunday ?
ReplyDeleteI had the jAM/DAM issue, too, but the rotation conceit solved that -- they are not "unchecked squares" as Rex would have it but squares checked in a weird way.
ReplyDeleteOther clues to go in my "Really, Rex didn't find that simple to guess/remember/get from crosses?" pile:
ONTAPE (The first audiobook brand I remember was simply "Books on Tape," to the point where sometimes I still call them that. Books "On Disk" was never a thing -- Books on CD, maybe, but that doesn't fit.)
ETIENNE (I mean, once the E goes in, isn't it pretty obvious? 7 letters, French male name, starts with E?)
USA (A rocket with USS on it? The USS Saturn V? You've watched a moon launch video, ever?)
GASCANS
SEIKO (Sanyo? For a watchmaker?)
GAY (super well-known lyric)
I agree with the critique of the design -- where are the longs? -- but your clue critique is as bad as it's ever been, today.
@david kulko 12:51
ReplyDeleteJust put the letters in as they work with the clue. Example: PBS JEER. Straightforward answers.
RooMonster Keep Streaking Guy
@DanielT@1:08
ReplyDeleteI just read your comment about Mister Rogers @SandyMcCroskey 12:04 wrote re: Lewis - loved it ๐.
I'm glad someone else agrees with me :)
Solved in the actual magazine.
ReplyDeleteRead the instructions. Saw the answers with no crosses, and my immediate reaction was, oh, you can use the rotational thingy to figure out the answers where there are no rosses. So DAM dropped in without any problem.
I haven't the slightest clue what Timon of Athens is about (though now I know he was a misanthrope). But aren't the titles of Shakespeare's plays pretty much common knowledge, just from reading stuff over the years?
Villager
Wtf... Have we hit bottom yet ... What a farce....
ReplyDeleteDNF on jAM and mAa. Very unrewarding solve through and through.
ReplyDeleteThoroughly enjoyed this puzzle. Deducing JACKPOT by rotating the "locks" I had already filled in correctly allowed me to get a few of the letters I had been struggling with (e.g. DAM instead of JAM).
ReplyDeleteI wonder if QUEEN really has the longest-running rock fan club. The Grateful Dead's Deadheads date back to 1971. Queen was formed in 1970, so unless their fan club sprung up almost immediately, the 'Heads might actually have the edge.
ReplyDelete. . . also never heard of "Pixy Stix" (?!), no idea what CSIS are or who/what/where the hell FOMO is. Has it become somehow illegal or unhip (un-"hep") to provide clues/answers in actual decipherable English words?
ReplyDeleteSo for the folks who had JAM instead of DAM, the rotation trick actually can get you out of this, as it did for me. The instructions actually help!
ReplyDeleteWhen you do the rotations, if that's your only mistake, you can see JACKPOT, but the instructions *also* say that the right rotation for any given dial is one that leaves valid words in all the other slots, so J rotates around to the left side to form LOAJ, which breaks the rule.
So it has to be DAM.
This was the only thing that kept me from a DNF on this, sorry to see it tripped up others!
I worked this puzzle with pen and paper. Rotated each lock in my mind and saw all the 4 new words (Hello dam/load) that were created, BUT!! Am I the only one bothered that the “12 o’clock” letters when puzzle was completed spelled JACK with no need to unscramble, but the bottom 3 locks spelled OPT. Took me way too long to see JackPot and not JackOpt!
ReplyDeletePlaying on my phone, I wasn’t able to finish, even though all of my answers were correct. Changed jam to dam when I saw I needed the letter to work in two positions. Entered the rotating letters the way they were clued. Nothing. Changed the letters to the rotated position (following the instructions to rotate). Nothing. Never got to congratulations until I gave in and asked to reveal the grid, only to have to put the letters back in their original position. I got the congratulations after I ruined my streak. Blech.
ReplyDeleteI was so very confused for quite a while, because I took the note to mean that after rotating the dials, it wouldn’t just form a new set of words…but words that also still fit the clues.
ReplyDeleteWhy did I jump to this conclusion? Well, maybe because that’s a version of the stunt that might have actually been worth the candle?
(As it was, I was baffled when it turned out to only be what it was.)
I dislike themes that are just a post-solve "clever" observation, vs. themes that, once figured out, can help you fill the grid. Today's was the latter. As a few folks have mentioned (but only a few compared with the host of JAM/DAM complainers), J cannot work because LOAJ is not a word. That is the check on the "unchecked" square. And far from being a "slog", as soon as I had a section filled I mentally did the rotation in approximately 2 seconds to confirmed everything worked. Besides JAM/DAM, the fact that the rotated letters had to form valid words helped me with 2 other answers. Fun puzzle, will take it over "delightful" long answers like BOOMROASTED any day!
ReplyDeleteI solve the print version of the puzzle so can't imagine the experience you all had at the end. Yikes.
ReplyDeleteGoing to look for a Ted Talk on Solar Punk.
(P.S. love the English Beat, my fave album.)
I seem to be the only solver who liked the puzzle. Yes difficult, but I judge a gimmick by whether it helps me to uncover some answers where I needed a boost, and this one did that 4 or 5 times. At first I thought the instructions were the kind that I didn't care about, but in this case, they yielded a unique and fun experience. Cool theme, new and interesting. Took me longer than usual, but I liked it.
ReplyDelete
ReplyDeleteTotal waste of time. You rock, Rex.
Elf Owls makes a lot more sense. Clueing them as from the Southwest, I was really curious about El Fowls being some sort of Spanglish taxonomy.
ReplyDeleteYvonne said:
ReplyDeleteThis puzzle gave me a lot of frustration (and it’s good to know I had company), but “ELF OWL” made it all worthwhile. Thanks to this weird puzzle and Google, I was charmed to learn of the world’s tiniest owl, weighing in at only 1.4 oz. and nesting in woodpecker holes. Someone should write a children’s book!
I'm with (seems like) everyone here. What a miserable puzzle. And on top of all the awkward, cramped fill, plenty of "trick" clues with no question marks or anything. When I finally got "ADVERB" in the top left after leaving that section for a while, all I could give was a string of swears.
ReplyDeleteLiterally the worst New York Times crossword puzzle I've ever solved. I felt defeated and slightly angry. The only consolation is that I knew there would be a scathing Rex Parker review of it. Thanks.
ReplyDeleteDamn, that Dam and Jam error broke my streak! Shame on you, NYT!
ReplyDeleteCame here specifically to see if anyone else had "jAM in place of DAM. I see that I was not the only one. "Jam up" is perfectly legitimate, as my printer will verify all too frequently. And no cross to check the answer.
ReplyDeleteAlso typed SANYO before moving to SEIKO. Also hung up on 108A as I was focused on A-ONE. I knew it wasn’t right but that held me up on the corner. Once I got TOPS then it all fell into place. The concept helped me here as I knew that needed a letter to follow SWA-. Not the worst concept but some of the answers felt clueless. MAA is just wrong…
ReplyDeleteWell, I enjoyed solving this one, perhaps because I was turning the dials in my head long before the app did it. Halfway through, I knew the answer was going to be JACKPOT. Seeing the dials turn themselves was kind of a satisfying conclusion. Jam/dam was bad, I will grant.
ReplyDeleteJust finished this in print (I do the NYT puzzles on old-fashioned paper, delivered to the house every day). After following the instructions and duly hitting the ostensible "JACKPOT," I felt like Ralphie in "A Christmas Story" (not one of my favorite movies, to put it mildly, but it has its redeeming features) after he gets his long-awaited Ovaltine decoder ring, excitedly works through the code, and realizes he has solved...an advertisement. All that for THIS? Pshaw.
ReplyDeleteI don't have an "app." (don't have a cell phone!!!)
ReplyDeleteAnd didn't finish the puz, but if I had, I would not follow those **** instructions.
My opinion only.
Lady Di
DNF. Way, WAY too many PPPs, most unknown (and many unknowable by 95+% of all solvers). FAR too many letter add-ons, GCLEF and the like. But what really nailed me was the absolutely, for-sure-known, rhyme for "away":
ReplyDelete"And have yourself a very merry Christmas DAY!"
I was not about to dislodge that D for anything.
Wordle birdie.
Solved from a newspaper so I had to manually crack the code which I think made it easy to find the error of the day: jam rather than dam.
ReplyDeleteI found this easier than most here which is my usual. Puzzles rated easy by Rex, I struggle with and those rated medium or challenging I find easier. Did keep reading Elf owls as El fowls though. Doh! NE corner was the only part that took me a bit of time to figure out. I thought ark for “partner ship?” was clever.
TEDTALKS MONEY
ReplyDeleteICANTELL, I have A NOTIOM,
since MITZI just GOT PAID,
the ANSWER'S IN the LOTION
used INLIEU of getting LAID.
--- TED SPENCE
This is possibly the most negative review I have ever read from Rex. I know, he writes many negative reviews. But not THIS negative. I agree; this is one of the worst Sunday puzzles we have ever solved. My wife and I have been solving together for quite a while. Truly a terrible puzzle!
ReplyDeleteTruly a terrible puzzle
ReplyDeleteMy local paper runs the syndicated version which had no instructions. I figured out the rotating thing and changed jam to dam. But then sat there thinking is that all? I didn’t see the jackpot. But I still think is that all?
ReplyDeleteUnlike OFL, I found this one fairly easy. And more rewarding -- probably because I did the paper version rather than the app. Not great, mind you, but better than terrible. A small bit of fun figuring out the JACKPOT.
ReplyDeleteBoth Etienne and Stephane are French forms of English Steven/Stephen -- and both are commonly used in Canada.
As if the inherent problems with the puzzle weren't bad enough, and as if losing out on the animation and all in syndication weren't a problem, on the Seattle Times site for the second time in a year, they split one clue into two numbers, leaving every across after it one clue away, and giving no clue at all for the last across answer. Awful. (The missing clue, if anyone's in this situation, is 128. Tweaks)
ReplyDeleteI actually didn't mind doing the "key turn" myself (did the print puzzle in the NYT have some sort of graphic beyond just the circled spaces?), but the whole thing was just too much of a slog. When you've got this much going on, you can't make some of these so unnecessarily hard. Especially when there are no crosses--if they only way we're supposed to know that it's "DAM" and not "jAM" is the stuff we're only supposed to do after we've solved, something's very wrong.
Late to the party on this one but on my app it doesn't show any title or instructions before solving, and then I have overlays turned off because of one puzzle where they straight-up obscured the board so I didn't get anything after either. If it's meant to be done on the app the app should be showing the instructions beforehand and they should remind you to turn overlays on--but I have mine off for a reason! Once I turned them on the motion of the dials hurt my eyes and I had to turn them off again. Plus a crossword should be able to stand out of context.
ReplyDelete