Saturday, January 20, 2024

Rap pioneers, slangily / SAT 1-20-24 / Jazz trumpeter Woody / Cousins of sirens / Plant-based protein brand / Nonkosher Wendy's offering / Beverage with an oxymoronic name / Initialism for a pleasant tingling on the scalp or back of the neck / Onetime source of toothbrush bristles / Dead-tree edition

Constructor: Caitlin Reid and Matthew Stock

Relative difficulty: Easy-Medium


THEME: none 

Word of the Day: Woody SHAW (20D: Jazz trumpeter Woody) —
Woody Herman Shaw Jr.
 (December 24, 1944 – May 10, 1989) was an American jazz trumpeter, flugelhornistcornetist, composer, arranger, band leader, and educator. Shaw is widely known as one of the most important and influential jazz trumpeters and composers of the twentieth century. He is often credited with revolutionizing the technical and harmonic language of modern jazz trumpet playing, and to this day is regarded by many as one of the major innovators of the instrument. He was an acclaimed virtuoso, mentor, and spokesperson for jazz and worked and recorded alongside many of the leading musicians of his time. [...] By the late 1980s, Shaw was nearly blind from retinitis pigmentosa, an incurable degenerative eye disease. A user of heroin throughout his adult life, Shaw was in poor health when he returned to the U.S. in early 1989 from a lengthy stay in Europe—he needed a wheelchair at the airport. On the morning of February 27, 1989, Shaw was struck by a subway car in Brooklyn, New York, which mangled his left arm and caused other injuries including head trauma; doctors were forced to amputate his arm. The night before the accident, Max Roach sent a limousine to Newark where Shaw was staying, to take Shaw to the Village Vanguard to listen to Roach play. After the set, Roach put Shaw into a taxicab at around midnight with enough money to get back to Newark. Shaw did not go to Newark; it is unclear what led to the accident later that morning. During his hospital stay at Bellevue, Shaw suffered kidney failure, was put on a respirator and lost consciousness for more than a month. He died from kidney failure on May 10, 1989, at the age of 44.(wikipedia)
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A very Bay Area, very "meaty" puzzle. Sorry to call yet another puzzle "Easy-Medium" but it plays how it plays and that's how it played. Really a story of single squares today. I got three individual squares circled on the printed-out version of my solved puzzle today. The first trouble square was the "M" in INCOGMEATO, a name I have never seen before. That was the one answer keeping the NW from being a breeze, so I hacked at it until I *thought* I figured out the pun! "AHA! It's a pun on 'incognito'! And 'Neato!' INCOGNEATO! Clever." I guess that's more "portmanteau" than pun. Anyway, it was wrong. If your fake meat purports to look and act like real meat, then your fake meat might be said to be 'incognito," ergo INCOGMEATO (which sounds like a truly terrible superhero, TO BE HONEST). I later got doubly slowed up by single squares in the NE, where I couldn't remember which of several possible animals belonged to the order Chiroptera (it's BAT, not CAT, not RAT), and I thought a [Mélange] was a MASH (it was a HASH). The BACONATOR took care of my Chiroptera problem pretty quick, but the "M" was peskier. Luckily, MATEWATCH, while it *sounds* potentially intriguing, is not a plausible thing. So, "H," HATEWATCH, there we go. 


I predict that a couple initialisms are gonna flummox a few people today. ASMR has appeared once before, a little over a year back and it was my "Word of the Day" then (12D: Initialism for a pleasant tingling on the scalp or back of the neck). I still can't remember what it stands for, but if I really want to remember, I can just look back at the December 3, 2022 write-up and find out (which I just did: it stands for "autonomous sensory meridian response"). I guess there are sounds that trigger this feeling ... and people watch videos that feature these sounds ... on YouTube or something? Seems like maybe it helps some people sleep? I really don't get it, but I did *remember* it, which is the important thing, puzzlewise. The other initialism likely to trip some solvers is OGS (5D: Rap pioneers, slangily). The term is used widely (if sometimes ironically / facetiously) to refer to elders in any field, but technically, if memory serves, an "OG" is an "Original Gangster." And by "memory" I mean "memory of that song from the '90s by crossword elder ICE-T":


The hardest part of the puzzle for me was the very end, the SE corner, where the puzzle decided to do that thing that is always terrible: double successive clues. I've written about this a lot, how Every Time the puzzle thinks this will be a cute move, at least one of the clues feels forced as hell for its answer, and that was sure enough the case today for [More golden, say]. It works fine for PURER, but for RARER, oof, not as good a fit. I guess the reference there is supposed to be to the phrase "golden opportunity," which is an ideal moment, which would by inference be "rare," I suppose. But you're making me go all over hell and gone to try to justify that clue in my mind. I got AVAST easy down there but did not trust it at all, since AVAST is a command, not a "direction." ABAFT, ASTERN, ALEE, those are directions. AVAST just means "stop." It was only after I'd finished the puzzle that I realized that "direction" can, in fact, mean "command." That is, it's not an orientation-type direction, it's an instruction-type direction. If you say AVAST, you "direct" someone to stop. Fair enough. I also had no idea what the siren-newt connection was and had to look it up. Sure enough, sirens are a type of amphibian, like unto NEWTS. Here's a picture—this little guy is a lesser siren, but I'm sure if he tries hard he'll be an OG siren someday:


Is FIREWATER a "beverage"? (31A: Beverage with an oxymoronic name). Really? I mean, yes, you drink it, but "beverage," la di dah, that sounds like something on a restaurant menu, and I've never seen slang like this on a menu. This is like calling HOOCH a "beverage." Strange. Also strange, PRINT ISSUE (46A: Dead-tree edition). More wrong than strange. No one says PRINT ISSUE. The term is PRINT EDITION. Yes it is. That is the term. Please be honest, the term is PRINT EDITION. The WSJ, the NYT, they all refer to it as the "PRINT EDITION." PRINT ISSUE is some made-up &^#% your bloated wordlist convinced you was real. You gotta fight back in those situations, constructors, please. As for ATTAWAY ... I don't know what to day about ATTAWAY. ATTA BOY! ATTA GIRL! Those sound right, and crosswords have, over the years, convinced me that people still say those things. ATTA WAY!? That sounds like someone's last name. Or someone's full name ("... well if it isn't Miss Atta Way!"). Or like you elided a "th" sound in a cliché chase-scene expression: 'They went ATTAWAY!" Does Bugs Bunny say that? Sounds like something Bugs would've said. Possibly to Elmer FUDD (Sexiest Cartoon Hunter Alive, 1937-present). I feel like there was a '90s band called ATTAWAY? Maybe a singer? Who am I thinking of, it's killing me. OMG I just did it! I pulled a memory out of my head in real time, literally as I was typing these last sentences. I just started adding random consonants to the beginning of ATTAWAY and bam, HADDAWAY! Amazing. Well, *I* feel better, anyway.


What else? Loved remembering "STAR SEARCH," and EURIPIDES, and HATEWATCH is very good, esp. as clued (15D: View with disdain). None of the tricky clues seems very much in need of explaining. CIDER might be "hard to drink" because the CIDER might be "hard CIDER" (wordplay!). [Tried to take a seat?] is RAN because the "seat" you're trying to take is in Congress (or on the school board or city council or whatever), and you have to "run" for office in order to get that seat. The EAVE is on the house because that's where EAVEs are, literally. EAVEs aren't free! "But you said it was on the house!" "It is! Look at it there, on your house! Now pay me for my EAVE installation!" Has this happened to you? Probably not. The thing that made me happiest today, in that it literally made me laugh, was the clue on THEN (23A: Not now!). Sometimes, it's the little things ... See you next time.

Signed, Rex Parker, King of CrossWorld

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103 comments:


  1. Challenging NW, but once I got out of there it was an Easy-Medium Saturday. Overall, Medium.

    rOtotiller before COMPOST BIN at 1A (the main reason the NW was challenging)
    Sweet tEA before PEA at 42A
    udon before SOBA at 49D

    INCOGMEATO (14A) was a WOE
    Really wanted ATTA boY at 25A, but HATEWATCH and BACONATOR forced ATTA WAY

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    1. Anonymous4:09 PM

      Same trip-ups (was really proud to throw down rototiller out of the gate!)

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  2. Michael M6:21 AM

    This was hard for me because I had PORE first which made both IMPOSSIBLE and BEYONDMEAT fit so I insisted one of the two had to be right. This left the NW unfilled for quite a long time

    Also ATTAWAY destroyed me. Never heard that or INCOGMEATO in my life

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    1. Anonymous1:00 PM

      Ditto on Beyond Meat.
      And "Attaway"? Ho, boy.

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  3. A perfectly average Saturday. There was just enough resistance to make me feel like I had done a puzzle. Much of this came from my lack of familiarity with INCOGMEATO, ASMR, and chiroptera. A puzzle doesn't need an abundance of debuts to provide a quality solve.

    ATTABOY before ATTAWAY because the BOY version is an actual word and ATTAWAY even as a phrase comes off as a bit fabricated.

    yd -0, the only QB I've missed this past week was Tu -2 an 8 point common word and a 17 point pangram I was completely unfamiliar with

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  4. Anonymous7:12 AM

    Who cleans a single pore?

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    1. There once was a man from Nantucket
      who grew a long beard -- the fuzz bucket
      but in one single pore
      he kept his pet BOAR
      and grew a pig-sized pimple to pick at

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  5. Easier than yesterday, although not much easier, as I’ve come to expect.

    Four unknowns: INCOGMEATO, which was inferable with a few crosses, and SOBA, which needed all of them.

    ASMR, which needed all of them and I had to triple-check them all to be sure.

    And SHAW, which may or may not have been cozied up in some corner of my brain. I definitely could not come up with it, but when filled in it felt right.

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  6. Anonymous7:19 AM

    Getting “Cisco” right off the bat led me to put “impossible” in as a sure thing, so I struggled for a bit. Surprisingly easy once I gave up on the sure thing! And “attaway” is just bad.

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  7. Sherman7:47 AM

    @Rex perhaps you were thinking of this musician? A fairer, yet also obscure, clue:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murray_Attaway

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  8. Anonymous7:55 AM

    I struggled with AVAST and only realized it’s a “direction” in the sense of a command after reading your complaint that it’s “a command, not a ‘direction.’ “ It’s both!

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  9. Anonymous7:56 AM

    The NW was a problem. I eat lots of meat subsitutes and have never hear of INCOGMEATO but unfortunately IMPOSSIBLE also fits there and the the I and O crosses immediately confirmed it. Took forever for me to decide it had to be wrong.

    Also, I ride BART almost everyday. It does not run “along” the Embarcadero. At best it intersects it (though it doesn’t really do that since it crosses 30 feet under it). It’s like saying the A train in New York City “runs along 59th street”.

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    1. Anonymous11:57 AM

      The A train in Manhattan runs north-south which parallels the avenues, not the streets.

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    2. Anonymous1:38 PM

      Yes, that's the original commenter's point. BART does not run "along" the Embarcadero any more than the A train runs "along" 59th St: it doesn't. There is a BART station *near* the Embarcadero; the stop is *called* Embarcadero, but if you wish to take a train *along* the Embarcadero you would need to exit the subway system, walk a block to the Ferry Building, and get on the the F train, which is part of Muni, not BART. I started with "THEF" even though it seemed far too specific for NYT and isn't really anything "in brief" since F doesn't stand for anything. Then switched to MUNI until finally accepting BART under duress

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    3. Anonymous2:00 PM

      Agree that BART is not a line along the Embarcadero. We tried MUNI in there for a while…

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    4. Anonymous4:34 PM

      The F train runs under Sixth Avenue.

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  10. Definitely a shaky start up in the north - when I saw INCOGMEATO, STAR SEARCH, CATE BLANCHET, CISCO, Chiroptera and Woody SHAW, I thought we were in for another COMPOST BIN of PPP and esoteric trivia (and yes, my bias is showing - because I didn’t include NO HITTER - which I would guess would also be considered trivial by some non sports fans).

    Anyway, I’d much rather struggle through things like ART HISTORY and the Rex-maligned PRINT ISSUE than hold my nose trying to make sense of OGS crossing INCOGMEATOs - but hell, that train left the NYT station a long, long time ago.

    I don’t pay as much attention to the gender of the constructors as some do (although something like 20 to 1 male seems truly excessive). Personally, I just wish they would pencil in Robyn’s name for this coming Friday and give us all a brief respite from the recent malaise that has overrun the NYT efforts the last several months.

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  11. Highlights:
    • All the cities and companies in the country, and yet when the clue asked for a company whose name is a city’s last two syllables, CISCO popped into my head. How does the brain do that? Okay, I had the second C (from CATE), but still.
    • That moment after the answer BACONATOR came to me when I thought, “Where did THAT come from? I had no idea I knew that!”
    • Heart melts at gorgeous answers BAREBONES and SHORT STRAW.
    • “Hah!” at seeing the serendipitous cross of TEARY and CRY.
    • Never heard of either answer in the cross of OGS or INCOGMEATO, so that G-spot (as it were) had the true makings of a natick. But there was the extra layer – the “incognito” connection, to give it away. That brought out an inner "Bravo!" to the constructors and NYT team.

    Speaking of highlights, Crosslandia itself, which brings a box of boxes to my door, and it becomes a highlight of my day, day after day.

    Especially a high-quality box of boxes, as you two created, Caitlin and Matthew. Thank you so much for making this!

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  12. Anonymous8:09 AM

    another hand up for ROTOTILLER, confidently placed first thing and hung onto way too long, despite the niggling feeling that BART probably belonged there. Maybe if I'd let that go sooner it would have felt easy-medium.

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  13. Hal90008:18 AM

    I know most of the abbreviations on this site but I'm breaking down and finally asking: what does WOE stand for? I can infer that it's a word you don't know, but the acronym itself...War on excess? Wholly-owned enterprise? Walking on eggshells?

    I can do a Saturday NYT puzzle but this thing's been troubling me for years...

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    1. Anonymous10:00 AM

      WOE stands for “what on earth”, originally used as an inoffensive alternative to WTF.

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    2. Anonymous10:33 AM

      What on earth?

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    3. Anonymous10:35 AM

      The nice thing about WTF is everyone knows what it means

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  14. I feel like this would have been an "easy" for me if it were not for INCOGMEATO. The "G" was the last letter to drop. Never heard of INCOGMEATO or ASMR. I got STARSEARCH from the downs - apparently I was not watching a lot of network TV during those years other than STNG.

    I enjoyed this one

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  15. beardrl8:20 AM

    BART crosses Embarcadero and runs along Market. The line running along Embarcadero is MUNI and also fit to my dismay.

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  16. It was the G on the INCOGMEATO / OGS cross that did me in. Never heard of OGS and I wanted the brand to be Impossible. (I actually like Beyond Burgers but that clearly wasn’t going to fit.). The M was obviously going to be MEAT but I assumed it would be MEATs. I also had ATTAboy and rAT and cAT before those things righted themselves. Lots of fun misdirects and lots to like in this puzzle except that G which was designed to torment me.

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  17. Anonymous8:23 AM

    A worthy Saturday, chewy yet crunchy. INCOGMEATO was the last one in for me. WOE. Thought Chiroptera applies to Bees, not BATs. Thanks to Rex’s word of the day, I’ll know the answer when I see the clue [Woody Shaw, e.g.]: FLUGELHORNIST.

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    1. Dr. Richard3:04 PM

      Pter refers to wings, and chiros is hand. Chiroptera means “hand-wings”. Bees are Hymenoptera (membrane-wings) and Helicoptera are “spin-wings” (maybe an order of aircraft?)

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    2. A little jazz trumpet pedantry here. "Flugelhornist" would more accurately clue Art Farmer, Guido Basso, or Chuck Mangione, for whom the flugel is their primary instrument. "Cornetist" would clue Woody Shaw, Bix Beiderbecke, or Nat Adderly.

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  18. Oh yeah, rototiller for me too.

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  19. Not a huge fan of the grid - the segmented center with the 3s and 4s don’t help the flow. Other than that - overall fill is fine - liked EURIPIDES, COMPOST BIN and SHORT STRAW.

    ART Lover

    The PURER - RARER golden pair fell flat. Don’t know the meat substitute stuff - tried one brand - I think Impossible? and had trouble with it. Like the CIDER clue and HASH. Limited trivia suits me fine.

    Enjoyable- frigid Saturday morning solve. I could be wrong but it looks like a first time Stumper constructor today.

    FIREWATER

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  20. An old, typical Thursday medium. On a Saturday.

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  21. Constructor and editor[s] get an F. As Anonymous@8:56 pointed out, BART does NOT run ALONG The Embarcadero in SF. MUNI does; not BART. Gee, I guess Will and his staff don't bother to fact-check any more.

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  22. Technical DNF as INCOGMEATO, OGS, and MCATS were all unknowns and filling in blanks with my pencil with various letters does not seem to produce the happy music. Didn't ruin my day, at least not yet, and at least INDGMEATO is pretty cool.

    When we ran our restaurant in the summer we got weekly deliveries from CISCO, and yes, we always called the driver the CISCO Kid. Nothing like a little obvious humor.

    Wondering who else was reminded of the Greek who took his pants to the tailor who told him never mind--EURIPIDES, EUMENIDES.

    A good day for long answers off one letter--ITDEPENDS, SPAREPARTS, BACONATOR. I've never had a BACONATOR but if you watch a lot of sports, as I do, you're going to see a lot of fast food commercials. I suppose some people even eat those things.

    Easy breezy for a Saturday, CR and MS. Certainly Reasonable, Mostly Satisfactory, but I missed some AHAMOMENTS. Thanks for a fair amount of fun.

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    1. Pabloinnh 8:33 A
      Like you I do the puzzle on paper, but unlike you I am messy. That caused a dnf at the end of 1 and 14 across. I had put in Bed after compost, but when I got itch I forgot to change bed. I had INGOGMEATs. But on appeal to myself of course I decided that if looked again at BI- I would get BIN
      and therefore the very obvious NO
      So like Nancy, I declared it solved.
      I agree the brand name is amusing, but really obscure. And due to my messiness I didn’t see the correct name till Rex.

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  23. Anonymous9:14 AM

    INGOGMEATO sound like a place that opens up next to Bob’s Burgers. And because I’m a restaurant guy rather then an IT one I spelled it SYSCO before CISCO.

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  24. Loved the clues for SHORTSTRAW, COMPOSTBIN, and CISCO (the last one because I like learning something new with my crosswords).

    But … sooo many overwrites on this one! Impossible for INCOGNEATO, roof for EAVE, neB for ALB (oops, Nebraska doesn’t border Montana…), ATTAboY for the *shudder* ATTAWAY, olio and then mASH for HASH… Blech. I solved this in average time, but it felt harder than it should’ve, considering a lot of the clues were gimmes, especially some of the longer ones.

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    1. Anonymous2:39 PM

      And as someone from Alberta, "ALB" isn't an abbreviation I've ever seen.

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    2. Anonymous6:54 PM

      I’m from BC and concrete AB or Alta but SLB? Never.

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  25. Anonymous9:35 AM

    Sysco, not Cisco, is the food service company.

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  26. INCOGnEATO crossing SnEARS, what's wrong with that? LOL, couldn't wrap that up until coming here, and now have no idea how I thought 'snears' was a word. It sure looks like one. It should be one, meaning something like oh "excessive dark criticism" suggesting you've colored beyond the lines. Miserable SNF. But INCOGMEATO is brilliant, going to check them out just for that name. And very happy reading up on sirens and newts. Wanted nymphs/pixies, or alarms/bells, and now have a whole new siren to keep in mind, the Sirenidae.
    Perfect crunchy Saturday, just wish I'd gotten my own chime.

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  27. Hey All !
    Made it through the two toughie days with streak intact. I RULE! 😁 Now at 35 Days. Look at me go. Har.

    Pretty good puz. Started out sparsely, as most SatPuzs will, but got an answer here, an answer there, then ended up with one section filled, popping around the grid until some more answers followed, next thing I know, bam! Puz done. Timer says 21:18. That is a fast SatPuz time for me. My Average is 35:08, according to the Stats page.

    Good fill today. Although ATTAWAY was an Oof! type answer. I had ATTAboY there, match. Maybe that's what you yell at your Little League game to the whole team? That way, you're not singling one kid out.

    Happy Saturday. Supposed to rain here for the next three to four days. We definitely need some rain. On Mt. Charleston (which is a ski resort mountain, yes, amazingly enough, we have a ski resort in Las Vegas only 10-30 minutes out of town [depending where you are housed] , where the peak is 11,000 feat, and it gets below 32 degrees quite often up there), they are expecting about 2 feet of snow!

    One F
    RooMonster
    DarrinV

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  28. Kurt in Wisconsin9:44 AM

    Like others said— I had MUNI for BART, because the BART does NOT run along the Embarcadero! Once I got COMPOST BIN I figured out the constructor’s mistake.

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  29. Meh. Deadly boring offering today. When you are desperate to find the puzzle's redeeming qualities and settle on EURIPIDES' BACONATOR as the highlight, you look toward Sunday with hopefulness.

    I'm one of the people that responds to ASMR. Those videos make the top of my head tingle. The amusing thing is lots are made by pretty young women in tank tops (YouTube's recipe for popularity) so it's doubly weird.

    Uniclues:

    1 Echo-er recycle-er.
    2 Cruciferous corporation's concoction.
    3 Serves tequila.
    4 Hapless Paul.
    5 Collection of beers known for loosening lips and ending friendships.
    6 "Only IPAs," sayeth the pig.
    7 Result of gambler backing imperfection.
    8 Stare contemptuously at famous Sicilian.

    1 COMPOST BIN BAT
    2 INCOGMEATO HASH
    3 ABETS FIREWATER
    4 SHORT STRAW RUDD (~)
    5 TO BE HONEST ALES (~)
    6 ON TAP BOAR RULE
    7 NO HITTER SEETHE
    8 HATE WATCH ETNA

    My Fascinating Crossword Uniclue Keepsake from Last Year: The unapologetic fashion choice of a man who just can't let it go. RETAIN COMBOVER.

    ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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  30. As I said last week, I never call a Saturday "easy" but this one was pleasantly not too hard to the point it didn't feel painful. Speaking of which, I didn't know ASMR and pretty sure I've never felt one. No Rex, no one says PRINT ISSUE like that but I occasionally have one with my NYT crossword. It seems to be a communications glitch although it might also be time to drop my BARE BONES printer at the recycle center to be used for SPARE PARTS.

    I like Paul RUDD. He's from the Kansas City area and is a big fan of the Chiefs. Not familiar with INCOGMEATO but it sounds like something I'd likely toss in the COMPOST BIN in favor or a BACONATOR . . . and some FIREWATER. SHH, don't tell anyone.

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  31. Bob Meats10:11 AM

    Got everything except MCATS/INCOGMEATO cross. I tried to cheat by looking up brands of plant-based protein. Guess what? INCOGMEATO wasn't even cited. I guess the contractor has a different appetite from the rest of the vegans.

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  32. Thank you, San Francisco denizens, for pointing out the BART gaffe (which I would not have known but can easily see from looking at the BART map). This puzzle has become a garbage dump of wrong clues and wrong answers and WS and his staff should be called out for every single one of them. ATTAWAY, indeed.

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  33. The top of the puzzle was a nightmare and the bottom was easy. I guessed right on the ridiculous cross of the G connecting OGS (what's that?) to INCOGMEATO (what's that?) My only hint was that INCOGMEATO sort of sounds like incognito -- and we all no how much younger generations love those puns.

    Was CHIROPTERA bee or ant? I cheated. Neither, it's BAT. I expected that to open up the NE for me, but it didn't. Because in the NE you had BACONATOR (what's that?) and ASMR (what's that???) It didn't even help that I'd already managed to change ATTA boY to ATTA WAY so that, finally, "View with disdain" no longer was ????BATCH and I was able to write in HATEWATCH.

    While there was some fill that I loved here, there was other fill that I hated. (See above.) Must run off now and find out why NEWTS = sirens.

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  34. "Know", not "no".

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  35. Yeah, I was sure of 'rototiller,' immediately confirmed by ON TAP. So what if I couldn't find a single other cross that worked? And I guess I'm the only one here who still thinks it's CAit Blanchett.

    Less excusably, since I know very well they're forminifera, I had anT before BAT. Once I got down a little more everything was fine; well I had to change ATTAboY to ...WAY (which is pretty much like 'way to go,' right?)

    No idea who said that about the ruddy turnstone, but I had the EU so that was easy.

    My only regret was that the answer to 31-D, "Like some hair," wasn't MINE. But those days are long gone.

    @Hal9000 I never saw it explained, but I think it's What On Earth.

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  36. Me, too, rOtotiller before COMPOSTBIN and dnf at the G in INCO__ what the heck the only ones I know are Impossible and Beyond Meat and I'm thinking maybe it's Beyond MeatO? But doesn't fit. Of course when I saw OGS here it was [head slap].
    Other than that, Ms. S, how did you like the puzzle? Well, had one of those mornings where a bunch of things didn't click (looking at you, SE) until they just... did. Put it down, breakfast at the diner, come back and it's AHA all the way, well, almost.
    SHORTSTRAW and its clue were the winners today.



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  37. Me, too, rOtotiller before COMPOSTBIN and dnf at the G in INCO__ what the heck the only ones I know are Impossible and Beyond Meat and I'm thinking maybe it's Beyond MeatO? But doesn't fit. Of course when I saw OGS here it was [head slap].
    Other than that, Ms. S, how did you like the puzzle? Well, had one of those mornings where a bunch of things didn't click (looking at you, SE) until they just... did. Put it down, breakfast at the diner, come back and it's AHA all the way, well, almost.
    SHORTSTRAW and its clue were the winners today.



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  38. Castafiore10:41 AM

    I came to see if this was the first appearance of AMSR and maybe OG too. But no! Thanks for the link back to its first appearance. I love the xword history.

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  39. Anonymous10:46 AM

    Yeah NEWTS as Sirens was a new one on me.

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  40. Anonymous10:47 AM

    Yeah, ATTAWAY was questionable.

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  41. HEY BATTAH, BATTAH10:55 AM

    When I played Little League and Pony Baseball, ATTAWAY was part of the 'chatter' uttered during the game. IE: "let's turn two guys" (double play made),ATTAWAY!! This is related to ATTI-EYE. Batter takes a close pitch which is called a ball by the ump---ATTI-EYE BATTAH!! (That's the eye batsman).

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  42. Anonymous11:11 AM

    People who work in newspaper and magazine publishing absolutely do still say PRINT ISSUE. Maybe it’s uncommon in the rest of the world, but it’s a legitimate phrase among those increasingly RARER birds known as print journalists.

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  43. @Anon 9:-Sysco, right you are, so it was really the Sysco Kid, marginally funnier. At least I got through the Stumper today, which was pretty chewy.

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  44. Medium. Mostly easy but the NW was a bear. CISCO does not leap to mind as a 500 co., INCOGMEATO was a WOE, PORE was not obvious, oh you mean the San Francisco (the inspiration for CISCO) Embarcadero not one of the other several hundred…finally dredging up STAR SEARCH helped me finish…tough corner!

    That said, there was plenty to like about this one and I did.

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  46. I wanted "Budweiser Beer" for both 31A (Beverage with an oxymoronic name) and 34A (Something that may be hard to drink?).

    I always have A Silly Macabre Reaction when I feel a tingling on my scalp. But Head & Shoulders pretty much keeps it in check.

    I was glad when cell phones came along because I HATEWATCH bands.

    I hereby offer my services as urban transit consultant to Will Shortz. Given that the EL doesn't run to O'Hare, and BART doesn't run along the Embarcadero, I'm thinking that there is a need.

    If you want 17 seconds of amusement, Google Kip ATTAWAY. A real hoot who I happen to know a bit.

    I enjoyed this easy Saturday. Thanks, Caitlin Reid and Matthew Stock.

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  47. No problem in the SE for me, once I replaced UDON with SOBA. No excuse, as I use SOBA often in my cooking.
    But my real problem was the NE, as it was with many others here. MCATS, OGS crossing INCOGMEATO!
    Question: Should you put INCOGMEATO in your COMPOST BIN?

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  48. Natick DNF at 5d/14a

    Needed to say that??? Letter string Aloud to get the final letter, but didn’t do it as I’m trying to remember when grappling with the final purple link in NYT Connections. Live & learn? I’m doing fine with the former, but not so well with the latter.

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  49. Commenters today are.saying how CISCO was a gimme, or nearly (hi @Lewis) but I could only think of cities' first two syllables and with the C from CATE, came up with chiCa or cinCi, neither of which did I put in the grid or imagine was a company. STAR SEARCH gave me the answer I was searching for.

    I answered “Not now!” with wHEN but nothing to do with diamonds was going to end with wTER. Musing on this led to NO-HITTER and allowed me to see COMPOST BIN, which finished off the NW. I was another who considered rototiller for 1A but no confirming crosses kept it from muddying up the grid.

    SPARE PARTS, is that clue referring to those objects left over after assembling something? I'm always hoping they were meant to be spares and not a sign I goofed up.

    ATTA WAY, I can imagine someone saying that as praise for a job well done, but I prefer “way to go”. Or just “nice one”.

    Thanks, Caitlin and Matthew. This offered a bit more challenge than the last two Saturdays, which I appreciate.

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  50. Anonymous11:51 AM

    Oddly, I wrote attaway rightaway, then thought it looked odd and considered changing it to attaboy.

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  51. First few minutes of a stare fest. I had exactly two answers: BART and TRES. You lived in San Francisco and you speak Spanish.
    So I cheat first thing at 1D. I had Seiko for that Fortune 100 thing because I spelled CATE with a K. See? I have absolutely no idea what CISCO does other than I believe its company is located in the Bay Area.
    Move on.
    I did.
    COMPOST BIN in you go. Cheat at OGS. Stare at INCOG. Could MEATO be the second part? Cheat again. It was.
    Move on.
    I knew BAT was in the order of Chiroptera. Why? I guessed it correctly.. Then I get to 11D and wondered about Wendy and what non kosher grub she was serving up. Isn't everything there non kosher? I have never graced that establishment. Aren't their burgers the square ones? So it's BACON something or other. ODOR? See, I had the boy behind ATTA. Gd it with a side of pate.
    Move on.
    From ART STORY on down, the puzzle got easier. I finally took my thumb out of my mouth, removed my stoopid hat and got answers hither and yon.
    A "good gravy" moment with 30D. How will I ever spell EURIPIDES correctly and how did I even know that answer? A guess. It worked.
    I think I'll remember ASMR thanks to @egs.....He dressed up AS MR Magoo.
    One last thing. Why in the world would you have once brushed you teeth with BOAR? I would've used the bristles as toothpicks.

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  52. Ride the Reading12:00 PM

    Harder for me than recent Saturdays - not helped in the NW by deciding to skip over that 1D clue. That area was the last to fall. And then I was slapping my forehead when it did. My brother worked for Cisco, and lived in San Francisco for a few years. (And I knew someone in the '80s who worked for Sysco.)

    Had Muni before BART. ATTAboy before ATTAWAY. Udon before SOBA. Face before PORE. Many SPARE PARTS today.

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  53. Ronghoti12:01 PM

    Had FERTILIZER instead of COMPOSTBIN.

    Bad clue on 11D, as all of Wendy’s food is nonkosher, not just the Baconator.

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      Ronghoti
      About the clue on 11 down.
      It is not a bad clue
      Clues are hints after all. Anyway, literally speaking,there is nothing wrong with the clue and answer. The Baconator is not kosher. End of issue.

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  54. This was a puzzle that I really wished I still got my PRINT ISSUE.

    ATTAWAY?? ASMR??

    Otherwise, not so bad even though every filled grid was kind of a struggle for me (but a doable Saturday).

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  55. Very disappointing puzzle, in spite of the fact that one of the constructors was a woman. I agree with the commentariat on "print issue" (worked in newspapers and magazines for 15 years), "incogmeato" (ugliest pun I ever saw), "attaway" (really?), and was fooled by "avast" - just think, all that righteous indignation gone to waste once OFL explained what "direction" meant! Any chance Sunday could be an improvement? Not much!

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  56. Anonymous12:12 PM


    Not much Kosher on the Wendy's menu....Baconator, SUPER treyf, tho.

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  57. INCOGMEATO/OG was a definite natick- I got the rest of the puzzle. I may have heard the term "OG" before and I listen to old-school hiphop most Sunday mornings as a change of pace from classical/baroque and jazz. As for "FIREWATER," this is at least borderline racist as it was the term used by white people when they sold or traded alcohol to native populations, then stereotyped the native peoples for their supposed intolerance of/proneness of addiction to "firewater." I haven't seen or heard this term since the bad old days when First Nations peoples were routinely stereotyped in movies and on TV. "Firewater" should not appear in NYT puzzles ever again.

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  58. Hey! I know these constructioneers [from many previous puzs]. Welcome back.

    NW corner area was mighty feisty, as others have noticed. Did get ONTAP/CATE, before fleein to the smaller, friendlier-lookin corner in the NW. But ASMR was standin guard there, so got only THEY/ACME.
    Wandered aimlessly about the puzgrid after that, lookin for admittance. yep. Plenty SatPuz hard, at our house.

    staff weeject pick: OGS. Debut word, for the Shortz Eras Tour. Better clue: {What hogs see in dogs??}.

    nice fill material included: ONTAP/CATE. THEY/ACME. ITDEPENDS. NOHITTER. TOBEHONEST.

    And especially ARTHISTORY.
    Young M&A took three art history classes, in college. Really wanted to take drawin classes, but the college wouldn't let math majors take such stuff. [My high school had a kinda similar policy.] Maybe just as well. I did cartoons for the high school & college newspapers then, instead. Became somewhat famous on campus. The girls would gasp, when they learned who I was. But then they got over it pretty fast.

    Thanx for gangin up on us, Caitln darlin & Matthew dude.

    p.s. Speakin of cartoons … Luv the latest New Yorker magazine cover's renderin of Herr Trump. Be sure to check it out.

    p.p.s.s. Other interrupted quests for the M&A, outside of the SatPuz: Yesterday, when M&A was leavin for the grocery store, opened the garage door and there was a strange car parked diagonally in our driveway, with a dude asleep inside it. har. U just can't make this stuff up.

    **gruntz**

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  59. BTW - I agree with @SouthsideJohnny re: "I just wish they would pencil in Robyn’s name for this coming Friday and give us all a brief respite from the recent malaise that has overrun the NYT efforts the last several months."

    Also the NYer has more female constructors (Wyna Liu & Aimee Lucido to name two that I can remember off-hand). And, of course, my fav, Robyn. W. I guess the NYer pays more.

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  60. MetroGnome12:31 PM

    NW -- Ugh. Brand name, corporate logo, TV show. CATE is probably a gimme for most people, but it's still one more proper noun in an already-fetid swamp of them. And what the hell is a BACONATOR?

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  61. jazzmanchgo12:33 PM

    I'm fortunate in that I did know who Woody Shaw was, but for most folks -- even jazz fans who aren't diehard aficionados -- his name will be pretty obscure. I'm guessing that the only Shaw most jazz fans know is Artie, and he played clarinet, not trumpet.

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      This, for sure. Absolutely thrilled to see Woody Shaw in the puzzle and featured by OFL as he is vastly under appreciated and almost entirely unknown outside jazz enthusiast and musician circles, though he is such an original. A somewhat more accessible entry point for new listeners might be his version of Fats Waller’s “Jitterbug Waltz” or his lyrical and beautiful composition “Theme for Maxine.”

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  62. Anonymous12:40 PM

    Is it Wednesday already?! Seriously, though yesterday's and today’s puzzles were soooooooooooo easy. What’s going on? This is a fine enough puzzle but it had zero bite (like yesterday). On to Sunday.

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  63. p.p.p.s.s.s
    Last bite's Schlock Flickfest was especially harlarious:
    "The Spider Woman Strikes Back" [1946]. Bro-in-law's pick.
    "Phantom From Space" [1953]. M&A pick. After I fell asleep, while previewin it, the day before.

    Actually, my pick was mostly all the Bro-in-Law's fault … part of a Christmas gift "Robots, Rayguns, and Rockets" box set. The 3 R's of sci-fi schlock!

    M&A's fave beef: INCOGMEATO. [Debut word, btw.]

    Masked & Anonymo3Us

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  64. …..me too for rototiller

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  65. Nice puzzle! Nice write-up! 👍👍

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  66. Mostly easy, with a couple of sticky "medium" squares, as @Rex noted. Like @Teedmn, at 1A I resisted "rototiller," despite the ON TAP cross, because I couldn't get any of the other Downs to work. A mistaken "ache" (for ITCH) kept the COMPOST BIN obscured for a bit, and I had to do an alphabet run to get the joke at INCOGMEATO. After that, things proceeded smoothly, and I thought it was a real treat to solve. Loved FIREWATER, BARE BONES, SHORT STRAW, and STAR over CATE Blanchett and enjoyed learning about a new kind of siren.

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  67. LenFuego2:23 PM

    The last thing that held me up was I had INCOGPEATO. I thought it must be some brand of peat (plant-based!) fertilizer I had never heard of. That made "Colors outside the lines" to be SPEARS, which, well, I did not feel great about, but I thought, mayyyyyyybe a crayon could be called a spear, or the stray marks are shaped like spears, or something. I mean, it's a word.

    Anyway, running the alphabet eventually sorted it out, but if anyone knows where I can pick up some Incogpeato, I have some bushes that need fertilizing.

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  68. One could carp (as one did) over whether it's a print edition or a print issue, but the reality is that this puz was pure joy all around.

    So many wonderful answers . . . .

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  69. Mash at 15 and archeology at 19 had me with malewatch (view with disdain) for far too long...

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  70. Tom T3:56 PM

    Timed out as one of my easiest Saturdays.

    Wanted pReHISTORY before ARTHISTORY, and when ATTAboy couldn't work with BACONATOR I switched to ATTAgAl until YETI showed me the way. AHA

    I don't have an ISSUE with PRINTISSUE, and I liked SHORTSTRAW as clued. Though it might have been COMPOST Bag briefly.

    Actually had a bit of Tom T. level whoosh-whoosh down the W side and across to the SE.

    Just under 28 minutes--not a personal best, but a quick Saturday and, as usual for moi, faster than Friday. All of which calls for a LOUD "YES!" I "RULE"

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  71. Thx Caitlin & Matthew, for this workout! 😊

    Another downs-o work in progress. Looking formidable; we'll see. 🤞

    No progress on Fri.'s
    ___
    Ben Zimmer's Sat. Stumper was pretty tough, but doable.
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    Peace 🕊 🇺🇦 ~ Compassion ~ Tolerance ~ Kindness ~ Freudenfreude & a DAP to all 👊 🙏

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  72. Anonymous5:19 PM

    I’m sorry, as an architect, the eave is not “on” the house. It is, explicitly, the roof that projects beyond the exterior wall. The part of the roof “on” the house is called the “roof”. Very irritating.

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  73. At The Nation, we say PRINT ISSUE. The final sections of the January 2024 (now a monthly) went to press Wednesday. I produce the digital edition of each print issue. "Print edition" is not only a syllable longer but implies that "edition" implies to me a version something that could exist in other "editions." The print issue thus produced in a digital edition, but most of the content of TheNation.com never appears in print (we do about seven stories a day). There is no "print edition" of TheNation.com, but The Nation does put out a PRINT ISSUE, and a digital edition of that.

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  74. Anonymous6:02 PM

    Can someone explain OPS for "Photo finish?" Only one I didn't grok.

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      Photo-ops. It finishes the word photo.

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  75. @Anony 6:02
    "Stand by the Leaning Tower of Pisa and pretend that you're supporting it, it's a great Photo-OP."
    That's what it means, Photo-OPS.

    RooMonster Photo Ops, Photo Shop, No Pictures Please Guy

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  76. https://www.theatlantic.com/free-daily-crossword-puzzle/
    a gem

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  77. Similar to many others I really did not want BART at 8D, but MUNI wouldn’t work with anything else. Had IMPOSSIBLE for a very long time as I’d never heard of INCOGMEATO, and also had nOsE instead of PORE, so the NW was tough today.

    @egsforbreakfast: the (E)L does run to O’Hare. While Chicagoans commonly just refer to the trains as “the [color] line”, and the blue line that runs to O’Hare isn’t actually elevated, it’s still part of the rapid transit system collectively known as the L.

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  78. Anonymous11:39 AM

    The nice thing about the NYT crossword puzzle is you can use it to wrap your coffee grounds before you toss them in the COMPOSTBIN.

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  79. ALB is not an abbreviation for Alberta. It should have been clued as liturgical vestment. Where are the editors?

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  80. Diana, LIW12:45 PM

    Yeah...I never heard of INCOGMEATO - but I do love that name. Hope it shows up in X-WordLand again.

    So, with a few unknown names, my solve was not perfect, but I got it done and it was fun. What more could I want? A BACONATOR?? Right. Give me an ASMR, whatever that it!

    Diana, Lady-in-Waiting for Crosswords

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  81. DNF. Just couldn't dislodge ATTAboY. ATTAWAY, really? Do people say that? Never heard it uttered in my 83+ years. Feels contrived, forced to make the puzzle work. Bad.

    Wordle bogey. Not my day.

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  82. Anonymous1:57 PM

    There is no joy in Mudville over this stinker. P-U!

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  83. Don Byas1:32 PM

    great to see WOODY SHAW in the puzzle. I highly recommend spending some time with the album UNITY by Larry Young. It features a young Woody Shaw and his compositions. He was one of a kind! ATTAWAY.....???? "HE WENT ATTAWAY :)"Hope we never see that in a puzzle a gain!

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