Saturday, October 14, 2023

Club member in a hit 1985 adventure comedy / SAT 10-14-23 / Fried turnovers from southern Italy / Residence for a parson / Animal with fused toes on each hind paw, used for grooming its coat / Slangy treatment for a disturbing visual / 1972 Gilbert O'Sullivan hit with the lyric "Left standing in the lurch at a church" / Analogue of aloha and shalom / 1980s sitcom puppet

Constructor: Byron Walden

Relative difficulty: Easy-Medium


THEME: MID-AUGHTS (60A: Part of the George W. Bush era ... or a hint to part of 18-, 26-, 38- and 46-Across) — words meaning "aught" (as in "nothing," "zilch," "0") appear "mid-"answer four times:

Theme answers:
  • MARZIPANS (18A: Almond confections)
  • PANZEROTTI (26A: Fried turnovers from southern Italy)
  • EASTERN ILLINOIS (38A: Champaign region)
  • GEENA DAVIS (46A: Oscar winner for "The Accidental Tourist" (1988))
Word of the Day: "The GOONIEs" (24D: "Club" member in a hit 1985 adventure comedy) —

The Goonies is a 1985 American adventure comedy film coproduced and directed by Richard Donnerfrom a screenplay by Chris Columbus based on a story by Steven Spielberg and starring Sean AstinJosh BrolinJeff CohenCorey FeldmanKerri GreenMartha Plimpton, and Ke Huy Quan, with supporting roles done by John MatuszakAnne RamseyRobert DaviJoe Pantoliano, and Mary Ellen Trainor. In the film, a group of kids who live in the "Goon Docks" neighborhood of Astoria, Oregon, attempt to save their homes from foreclosure and, in doing so, they discover an old treasure map that takes them on an adventure to unearth the long-lost fortune of One-Eyed Willy, a legendary 17th-century pirate. During the adventure, they are chased by a family of criminals who want the treasure for themselves.

The film was produced by Spielberg's Amblin Entertainment, and released by Warner Bros. theatrically on June 7, 1985, in the United States. The film grossed $125 million worldwide on a budget of $19 million and has since become a cult film. In 2017, the film was selected for preservation in the United States National Film Registry by the Library of Congress as being "culturally, historically, or aesthetically significant". (wikipedia)

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This one got a genuine "oh my god" out of me at the end, as the revealer revealed to me not just the nature of the theme, but the Fact That There Was A Theme At All. Double surprise! Here I was, just thinking this was a loopy, free-flowing, amazing Saturday puzzle. At 72 words, its word count is low enough to pass for a weekend themeless, so that's what I thought it was. Yes, there were some odd answers, but they just seemed like the kind of stuff Byron might put in any puzzle, just for fun. I didn't know the Italian turnovers, but foreign foods don't make me blink any more—didn't feel like a themer. EASTERN ILLINOIS made me laugh out loud—who would think that region worthy of a marquee answer!? But it's so outlandish that I enjoyed it. I accepted it as the wild kind of stuff you might find in a themeless puzzle where the constructor is experienced and truly just trying to be surprising and original. BUZZKILL PIZZA HUT MARZIPANS, this all just seemed like zippy (!) themeless fare. I had so much fun filling this one in (GOOD VS. EVIL! EYE BLEACH!) and then ... [needle scratch]! I see that post-ellipsis "... or a hint to part of 18-, 26-, 38- and 46-Across" and, well, we're back to me saying "oh my god" (see sentence one, above). I actually wrote in THE AUGHTS at first, but no, MID-! MID-! And all those "aught" words are, in fact, sitting right in the "mid"dle of their respective answers. To understand how great I think this puzzle is, you have to understand (and if you've been reading me for any length of time, you probably do understand) how much I *hate* themes on Friday and Saturday. I want my weekends themeless! I don't need some cutesy theme gunking up what should otherwise be a free-wheeling, wide-open grid. I'm *sooooooo* glad I didn't see that revealer clue until the very end, because by then the puzzle had me firmly in the "Hell Yes" column. The revealer was basically like "tricked ya, you just solved a puzzle with a theme!" And on top of that, the theme was so solid that I just had to say "you win, puzzle." Even the horrid E-MARKETER couldn't derail this train! An undeniable stunner. 


MANSE SULU MAKEUP KOALA up front had me feeling like I was gonna have a pretty good day today. Gave me a good grip early, and I happily rode the maudlin musical masterpiece "ALONE AGAIN" down into the middle of the grid (2D: 1972 Gilbert O'Sullivan hit with the lyric "Left standing in the lurch at a church"). 


But then came PANZEROTTI, and here is my one quibble with this theme. Not with the answer itself—I've never heard of it, but I've never heard of lots of things, as you know. No, my quibble was with the clue on the "Z" cross: 27D: Minor blemish (ZIT). Now, I had NIT, which is admittedly more "minor complaint about a blemish" than "minor blemish," but since PANNEROTTI seemed absolutely plausible (the PANNE- part inferred from that other, more famous Italian dish, PANNA COTTA), I thought the "N" was solid and that NIT was close enough to the clue to be justified. Only after the theme was revealed did I see the "N" had to be a "Z" (to make "ZERO" in the middle of the answer). Make your foreign food crosses fair! Especially if said food is not exactly standard ... fare in the U.S. I'm mostly mad at myself here for not seeing that NIT was *slightly* off, but I still think that that's a bad clue for ZIT. "Minor"!??? Tell that to the kid who's about to go on a date or get their photo taken. We've all had ZITs that were anything but "minor." Boo to that word in this clue.


My favorite AHA moment of the grid was finally parsing GOOD VS. EVIL correctly (31D: The ultimate struggle). I had GOOD- and GOOD FIGHT (?) (as in "to fight the GOOD FIGHT") wouldn't fit. Then I got the first "V" and thought "VIBES? No, that's way off." Then I got the second "V" and was very lost. Weirdly, bizarrely, improbably, it was a run-of-the-mill three-letter direction clue that ended up breaking the answer open. I could see it had to be an "S" or "N" following that first "V": Me: "... but nothing goes 'GOODVN' or 'GOODVS' .... waaaaaaaait a minute ... GOOD VS. ...  it's GOOD VS EVIL!" This puzzle had it all, from the bucolic beauty of BIRDCALLS to the manic desperation of someone who douses their eyes with EYE BLEACH before hitting THE SAUCE. It's even got one of the goofiest and most hilarious cross-referenced answers of all times: A split SHA / NA NA! (61D: With 65-Across, "Born to Hand Jive" group). "SHA ... wait for it ... NA NA!" Something about just sawing that group in two seems risky, perhaps ill-advised, but also brilliant. I genuinely laughed, which means this puzzle made me genuinely exclaim or otherwise make noise, in some fashion, at least three times. Most puzzles don't do that even once, and those exclamations are usually in the "ugh" or "EWW" family (38D: [Gag]). A puzzle that could pass as a sparkling themeless but that also has a theme? And a tight one!? Jeez louise. An unexpected delight. One of my favorite puzzles of the year.

Signed, Rex Parker, King of CrossWorld 

P.S. Happy birthday to my beautiful wife, who solves every morning, on paper, and then tells me all about it. Invaluable perspective. Plus she eventually reads my write-up and texts me about my many unfortunate typos. Every day. True love.

P. P. S. A commenter suggests that the clue for ZIT ([Minor blemish]) should be understood as “blemish one might find on a minor, i.e. a teen.” I think this is a good interpretation, but holy hell that makes this PANZEROTTI cross even harder—if ever a clue cried out for a “?”! I have a ZIT on my temple right now and I am, uh, not a minor.

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118 comments:


  1. Wednesday on Saturday! No cheats! Fun puzzle!

    PANZEROTTI was a WOE, but I know enough southern Italian dishes that I was able to guess the PAN and the OTTI and got the rest from crosses.

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  2. I really enjoyed this puzzle too, but it was far from easy-medium for me. Took me over twice my average time. I just wasn’t in the groove, I guess, to the point where I couldn’t even grok the theme once I finished and had to come here looking for it. Now I feel like I should have gotten that.

    Oh well. I actually love a tough Saturday workout, especially with so many shiny fun answers of impressive length. More like this please, although I also prefer themeless Fridays and Saturdays. (The theme didn’t interfere with the solving like rebuses can, for example, so it was fine here.)

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    1. Same here....I struggled some because I had no idea of the theme *despite* getting "midaughts" early on. I didn't make the connection with synonyms for zero. Came here and smacked my forehead!

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  3. I wish I'd figured out that "ZERO" thing, because I didn't get PANZEROTTI at all. Like Rex, I had NIT for ZIT; the word "minor" in the clue was a major misdirect. But I also had EEN instead of EER, because they're both "poetic" filler words. So I had PANNE NOTTI, which sounds like a nice Italian dish you might have before enjoying your Panna Cotta.

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    1. Anonymous1:18 PM

      I love that I had nIT and EEn (PANnE nOTTI) and could have had a DNF (and a woeful 50+ streak-breaker) had it not been for the theme/ZERO. I’m a fan of this one!

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  4. Pretty sure that PANZEROTTIs were a South Philly thing not a Southern Italy thing. Still a handful of shops in south Jersey and one in North Philly serving them. I Maxine a small calzone that’s fried instead of baked in a pizza oven. Very popular in the 80s.

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    1. Anonymous7:19 AM

      Can get them just about anywhere in south jersey

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    2. Anonymous7:49 AM

      came here to say this! i know it as a south jersey thing

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    3. I am of Southern Italian background (all 4 grandparents) but I don’t live in Philadelphia or South Jersey. I have never seen or heard that the word panzerotti in Rhode Island where I grew up and live. When I was a child, 20% of its population was Italian American.
      I looked it up and found that Southern Italians have many names for them. But the just didn’t make it to Rhode Island (I never heard of calzone either until it spread from Philadelphia around the country. ). I might be wrong but I think panzerotti i(the word at least) is much more obscure outside of Philadelphia than calzone. Oh well.
      Panzerotti - which I spelled with 2 n’s -and the fact I misspelled marzipan led to a dnf. Regardless, I thought it was a very hard puzzle. ( also I didn’t get that “Cabaret” name was asking for an ACTOR’S name not a character. That was a huge fail on my part Liza Minnelli-duh).

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  5. I'm of Italian extraction and I had never heard of panzerotti either, until a joint serving them onepned in my neighborhood a few years back. They're tasty! Not exactly health food though.

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    1. Anonymous3:31 PM

      Smith Street by any chance?

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  6. East Coast bias by not listing Oakland in 3 down

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    1. Anonymous9:38 AM

      That would be MLB?

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    2. Anonymous10:25 AM

      Chicago is not exactly East Coast.

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    3. Anonymous2:17 PM

      I think they mean golden state warriors in the 2010’s maybe although they spilled into 2020

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    4. Anonymous6:22 AM

      Well, that would just be a misunderstanding of the format of the clue…the answer was never going to be another city (?).

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  7. Hells yeah Byron - bring it. Wonderful grid that @Z would be proud of. Scrabbly oddness - but just enough gimmes to make it smooth. I knew PANZEROTTI which helped - although in Italy you typically see them as “frites” or “frite calzone”. My father from Assisi had never seen them until we toured the south.

    SHA NA NA at Festival Express - just so cool

    BIRDCALLS, EYE BLEACH, PAPAYA are top notch. Nice long easy one with ALONE AGAIN. Could never stomach the MARZIPAN my mom made at Christmas each year. Backed into LAINE and DOHA.

    Highly enjoyable Saturday morning solve. Today’s Stumper rocks also - from a constructor I’m not familiar with.

    Happy year around the sun day to Rex’s better half.

    New Riders

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  8. Next time I measure my cask of whiskey to see how much I have left, oh wait! I don't have a cask of whiskey. But I do have a shameful love of Pizza Hut pizza, especially a certain one in a shady San Diego strip center that I miss since I relocated. It was The Sauce. I think they sprayed it on with an airbrush.

    Panzerotti, which I've never heard of, are genuinely Italian. Reice is not a word. It's simply not and the question mark doesn't make it so. I only whine on this point because closing in on the dead center, I was stuck for a while.

    Again with the obscure Trice to mean in an instant. As long as you had it out and it was dusted, why not use it again.

    No Bette Davis yet, but there's still Sunday to go for the trifecta. Or are there more?

    Fun Saturday, liked it a lot. Especially the NE corner.

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  9. Anonymous7:26 AM

    I believe the way the ZIT clue is supposed to work is that 'minor' refers to an underage person. A blemish on a minor...

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  10. For me, a Byron Walden Saturday is an event. Time to close myself away from the world and immerse myself in the experience, which will ooze with effort and pleasure.

    I expect it to be a difficult beast to conquer, to have world-class clues, to be fair and thus fillable if I stick with it, and to be fresh, with many NYT debut answers. After solving, it’s a yes on every count. To WIT:
    • Many return-to areas, only a few mini-whooshes, and a corner (SW) that required extreme chiseling.
    • Marvelous misdirects, the best for me being [Champaign region] which had me trying to wrest French wine regions out of a foggy brain area. And also wit, i.e., [Auto correction?] for UEY.
    • Persistence did pay off. I went through the wringer and emerged fulfilled.
    • Freshness from a dozen NYT answer debuts, my favorites being GOOD VS EVIL and NBA DYNASTY.

    Then came bonuses. A themed Saturday, and, IMO, the theme only added to the experience, when often a weekend theme lessens the quality of the answers (Hi, @Rex!). Another bonus: I lit up at Thai PAPAYA salad, which I revere. Another bonus: those gorgeous side-by-side tens in the SE and NW.

    Byron, congratulations on your 100th daily puzzle. You reside with only a handful of others in my constructor Valhalla. There’s been no tapering in your 22 years of NYT puzzles; they continue to brim with quality. Today’s was a jewel. Thank you so much for making it!

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  11. Ben Zoyl7:38 AM

    ""Minor"!??? Tell that to the kid who's about to go on a date or get their photo taken. We've all had ZITs that were anything but "minor." Boo to that word in this clue."

    Acne is most common among teenagers, starting with puberty, and usually (though not always) disappearing by the end of adolescence. With its concentration in that age range prior to adulthood and "majority" status, we might quite accurately refer to is refer to it as a "minor blemish."

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  12. Anonymous7:47 AM

    For me, I had time-sucking frustration trying to parse NBA DYNASTY. Sheesh.

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  13. This puzzle ate my lunch and ruined a til-now clean October. I didn't like it nearly as much as any of you. "Gangbusters" should include a space, it's not clever when it's cheating. Panzerotti? Eastern Illinois? Laine Cleo? Cleo Laine? Lord.

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    1. Anonymous10:43 AM

      I feel your pain. I kept expecting the happy music but Nit vs Zit was never suspected since I was certain nit was right. Still a lot of fun even with a DNF.

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    2. You are wrong. Gangbusters is how the word was spelled in the 1930’s when it was invented. It isn’t cheating at all. Cleo Laine was once famous It’s an age thing but not too obscure for a Saturday. Champaign of course is a city in Eastern Illinois. This is a classic Saturday misdirection. It is intended to trick people. That’s Saturday.
      I liked it even though I dnf’d on panzerotti.

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  14. Wow, can't believe Rex rated this easy/medium. Definitely challenging for me ... thought I might get stumped but did manage to solve it with time.

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  15. Wow, I can appreciate the affection for this one even though it pretty much just bulldozed me. I couldn’t get anything going today - even the easy stuff came hard. I couldn’t think of anything besides a PARSONAGE as a place where, well a PARSON lives. Didn’t know that bit of information about a KOALA so my mind started drifting into Colugo and Aye-aye territory.

    Forget about PANZEROTTI - I have no idea what a MARZIPAN is either. Forget about even attempting to discern a theme - I probably could have been given 100 guesses and I never would have come up with MID-AUGHTS. It is definitely valid, just not a phrase that I would have come up with even if every other letter were filled in for me.

    I don’t know, I’ve probably been doing the NYT on a daily basis for about a decade now, and I still am pretty much lost on Saturdays. Usually I at least feel like I am treading water. Today I look like one of those flat cartoon characters getting peeled up off of the road after being run over by a steamroller. I guess the cool thing is that I would prefer to step into the ring with a heavyweight grid like this even if I’m seeing stars after the first few rounds rather than tap dance and spar my way through the full 12 rounds with a grid full of nonsense like the one that showed up on Thursday.

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    1. Anonymous8:37 PM

      I dnf’d on both marzipan AND panzerotti although I unlike you never heard of panzerotti and misspelled marzipan, which I have heard of.

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  16. A panzerotto (Italian: [pantseˈrΙ”tto] ⓘ; plural panzerotti [pantseˈrΙ”tti] ⓘ, also known as panzarotto [pantsaˈrΙ”tto]),[1] is a savory turnover, that originated in Central and Southern Italian cuisine, which resembles a small calzone, both in shape and dough used for its preparation.

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  17. Anonymous7:59 AM

    Resisted and resisted filling in “MARZIPANS” as a plural. To me, it’s a paste that goes in or becomes a candy, not a unit of candy, so it doesn’t have a plural. But I’m sure I’m wrong…

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  18. This started deceptively easy and it should have been squarely in the easy range but a few mistakes and the unfamiliar PANZEROTTI made this into a respectably medium Saturday.

    MANSE supported by MAKEUP was Monday easy but I had to deal with a DYNAMOS/DYNASTY write over because I misread the clue as being plural. I made the same mistake on PSST because I thought the word "summons" meant the answer had to be plural. When I do stupid I go all the way.

    PANZEROTTI was so strange looking it had me questioning ZIT. The answer was obviously something Italian so why is it starting out looking like a German tank? That final vowel had to wait until I put in BUZZKILL when I finished in the NE.

    This was a fun puzzle to solve I just wished it had more real late week resistance.

    yd -0

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  19. When Rex says Difficult, I fly through whooshing. When he says Easy, I slog through. We definitely have different fields of knowledge!

    I speak Italian and have spent years in southern Italy. Never heard of PANZEROTTI although pane is bread but fried bread and dough is Pizza Fritta or Zeppole or Donzelle or even crostata or torta.

    GEENA DAVIS and BIRDCALLS were my only easy answers besides MANSE because I read a lot of classics and watch classic film, but I don’t call the the early 2000s the aughts. Aught is used in physics to me.

    LAKERS IN THE 80s would have been more accurate NBA DYNASTY for me.

    I knew CHAMPAIGN was in Illinois but couldn’t think of anything descriptive about it.

    CHAO and DOHA stymied me especially when SHA NA NA was a group.

    Oh well. Glad you enjoyed it.



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    1. Anonymous8:45 PM

      FWIW Wikipedia says panzerotti is from panzo a word for stomach. It apparently has nothing to do with pane. I think panzerotti is more a Philadelphia region Italian American word than an Italian word. As Wikipedia says the food has many names in Southern Italia.

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  20. Thx, Byron; what a beaut! 😊

    Med (felt tougher).

    Can't believe I made it thru this one unscathed. (whew & phew!!)

    Had a good guess at PANZEROTTI / ZIT. Thx to those who explained, 'minor', which went right over my head! d'oh!

    Also, totally forgot to go back post-solve to look for the AUGHTS. Clever!

    Enjoyed the ride! :)
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    On to Lars G. Doubleday's Sat. Stumper. 🀞
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    Peace πŸ•Š πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦ ~ Compassion ~ Tolerance ~ Kindness, Freudenfreude & a DAP to all πŸ‘Š πŸ™

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  21. I'm from Illinois. Champagne is not in eastern Illinois. It is in central Illinois. It is downstate from Chicago, and upstate from southern Illinois.

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    1. Anonymous2:08 PM

      It is exactly as far east as Eastern Illinois University…. I would give the clue a pass.

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    2. Being both from Illinois originally and now actually from Champaign-Urbana, I was pleased by the shout out. Folks definitely refer to this as East Central Illinois. Like Rex, appreciated the aha moment. Enjoyed it all.

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  22. My problem wasn't with ZIT/NIT, but EEN/EER. PANZENOTTI seemed reasonable. Two Natick possibilities in one word!

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  23. Anonymous8:42 AM

    Had to run it on Saturday. Too small for a Sunday, Thursday shouldn't have an ignorable theme and too hard for early week. Better to let the themeless lovers ignore the theme the ruin another Thursday, IMO.

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  24. Bob Mills8:49 AM

    Finished it after a long struggle with the NW. EMARKETER came very slowly, and I didn't know GOONIE. I never considered the vague theme, which might not have helped me, anyway.

    Maybe the hardest puzzle I've solved yet without cheating.

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  25. Anonymous8:59 AM

    I fully endorse Rex’s rave, down to the brilliance of separating SHA and NA NA. I had the H from EYE BLEACH (!) and figured the group had to be tHe somebodies - I cackled when I realized it was Bowser and Co.

    I knew it was a theme because of the way the app highlights clues, but couldn’t for the life of me figure it out until I finally doped out the revealer, and even then it took a sec.

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  26. One of those Saturday's when my experience mirrored OFL's almost exactly, especially with the NIT/ZIT confusion and an inability to parse GOODVSEVIL, which took nearly every letter. And NIT gave me no hope of finding a ZERO, so as far as the theme goes, I gave up.

    Slowed down by BIRDSONGS. Whoops. And like @anon 7:59 didn't like the plural MARZIPANS, which to me would be like using "chocolate confections" to clue FUDGES.

    Great stuff overall, a Saturday that knows how to Saturday from a guy who around here would be known as a pro from Dover (old MASH reference, the book, not the show). Bravo, BW. A Big Winner, and thanks for all the fun.

    SB-Yesterday I got to G w/o the PG, which is rare. Could not go to bed with that missing, and stayed up too late but finally came up with it. No QB, but satisfaction nonetheless.

    On to the Stumper.

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  27. I didn’t think it was easy but since I did finish (eventually) I guess it was not too hard. Very fun, did not know a lot of the references but was able to guess/figure it out. REICE confused me for a while til I realized it was RE-ICE. Then I laughed at myself. And I still don’t understand the Boston/Chicago answer but I got it, LOL
    Anyhoo, fun puzzle.

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  28. Yes to nIT VS ZIT. I don't know how many times I looked at E'ER at 20D to see if EEc could possibly work for PANnEcOTTI. Oh well, the puzzle was easy except for that spot and I really enjoyed it.

    Thanks, Byron!

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  29. I usually just scan the longer clues on the first pass then, if necessary, read more carefully if the crosses make no sense.

    To WIT, on Thursday i saw “Lamar” and in a TRICE, put in HEDY. Even though she had two Rs and never played for the LALAKERS (ODOM did).

    Today it took Pass Two to see the spelling was CHAMPAIGN, not the French Champagne. Oh yeah, that’s ILLINOIS.

    Never heard of EYEBLEACH, but assume that works to alleviate the EYESORE polka-dotted house mentioned this week.

    nITS - the song title is ALONEAGAIN (Naturally), OHO and AHA are included together (unnaturally) and the never-used EMARKETER (of the ETAILING of EBOOKS, one only E-magines) is an EWW.

    But a GOOD fun challenge, nonetheless.

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  30. I'm genuinely surprised by how much Rex loves this. I found myself rolling my eyes regularly at the garbage throughout this thing. There were definitely some nice answers and the theme was tight, but not enough to ignore the fails.
    EASTERN ILLINOIS?? Seriously? REGAUGED? What is that? What does it have to do with whiskey?
    How is REICE even considered a word?
    MARZIPAN doesn't have a plural.
    NBA DYNASTY? That a big tryhard answer.
    Both AHA and OHO in the same puzzle? How is this constructor not permanently banned from the NYT just for that? And to make it worse, just look at that awful clue for AHA.

    On a different note, for me, the PANZEROTTI issue was with the R, where it was a Natick with N.

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  31. Anonymous9:26 AM

    fb's from Illinois but spells Champagne like (s)he's from France. I looked at a map. Champaign looks like part of Eastern Illinois. It's 122 (road) miles from Indiana, 240 from Iowa, 278 from Missouri. Though TBH I plopped in 'central ILLINOIS' at first. That was before I looked at a map.

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  32. Anonymous9:32 AM

    My nit with PANZEROTTI came not with the Z but with the R. The crossing EER could also have been EEN, making NO fit the theme (ish).

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  33. Hey All !
    Unpredictable Rex strikes again! Here I thought he'd go all fire and brimstone, attacking and stabbing the puz until it was nothing but a beat, smouldering pile of ash. But lo! He enjoyed it as a Themeless, which in itself, is pretty good. But then he found out it was really a Themed puz (on a Saturday! Sacrilegious!) and the world held its breath, waiting for the "Who the $@&! put a Themeless puz in on a Saturday!!!!" But, he liked it! Hey Mikey!

    Unlike Rex in finding out the puz was a Themed one until the end, I go through the Across clues, followed by going through the Down clues, and build from there, thereby coming across the Revealer clue early in the solve. I said, "Hmm, a Themed puz on a Saturday? Is it snowing in Hell right now?" Then I promptly looked out the window to see if there were flying pigs.

    This was a good puz, typically tough for a SatPuz, whether or not it has a theme. Once I finally figured out the Revealer, got a bit of a chuckle out of it. Did see the ZIP, etc centers of the Themers, but still took a minute to figure it out.

    N BADY NASTY seems like a Rappers name. Surprised it's not already used! Had papaya where CASABA was originally, only to find PAPAYA later, in of all places, it's symmetric partner. Fun. Did have to Goog three times (!) to keep puz flowing, but that's an acceptable thing on a SatPuz for me. 😁

    After the Googs, got the Happy Music, so notching it in the Win column. Hey, I do what I want!

    Hungry now for PANZEROTTI and MARZIPANS in THE SAUCE. Maybe that's a PIZZA HUT dish?

    Do athletes from other countries in The Olympics say, "FACE ME, SWEDES" when they encounter their athletes?

    KAY, gotta go. Enjoy your Saturday!

    One F
    RooMonster
    DarrinV

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  34. I found this an enjoyable solve, not particularly hard for a Saturday. Mildly surprised to find the theme, which seemed fine. Big surprise to find @RP in full gaga mode!

    But, y’know what? After reading Rex’s write-up I really appreciated the puzzle a lot more. Sounds like the constructor may be a friend, but even so, this is one of the things I look forward to getting here. Makes up for a lot of snark. And I have to say that of late OFL has been generally in fine form, genuinely funny much of the time. Being 17 (and 20 years married—happy b-day to the Mrs.!) seems to agree with him…

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  35. MARZIPANS is probably the worst POC ever. We had 'flours' a couple months ago, but that had a little smidgeon of justifiability, but not this one.

    Plus I finished with an error, PANZEneTTI crossing EEn and GeONIE. The first is understandable, the second not -- I don't know the movie, but I should have spent more time looking for something that sounded more plausible. But for all I knew the club was led by GEraldine and LEONIE.

    I filled in the grid, read the revealer, and tried to figure it out. I got as far as noticing that two entries had pans, but two did not, and then I got distracted. By the time the distraction was over, I forgot that I hadn't figured it out and came here, only to see Rex's dramatic blue circles. Doh! If I'd thought a bit more I might have got it.

    I liked the CHAO CIAO pairing. I liked seeing LIVID where we usually get irate. And I just now realized that the clue said "Champaign," not "champagne." It IS in Eastern Illinois, it's just that no one would call that a region. But the theme needed it.

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  36. Anonymous9:46 AM

    There is no such thing as Eastern Illinois. No one in this state refers to Eastern Illinois. Ask anyone in Illinois where Champagne and they will say Central Illinois, which also fits perfectly. If not for the theme and lack of an aught in there, I would have been endlessly stuck as there's no way I would have thought Central was "wrong" there.

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  37. @Bob Mills (8:49 AM) / pabloinnh (8:59 AM)

    πŸ‘πŸ‘ for hard fought and well deserved efforts on the xword and SB respectively! :)
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  38. As someone for whom every trivia question in the puzzle was a matter of "this answer contains letters and you, poor thing, are fated to have absolutely no idea what they are", this was an extremely hard puzzle for me. Would there be enough GOOD VS EVILs to get me through the Vulcan nerve pinch and singer Cleo and the "club" member and the pop lyric?

    Almost not -- but somehow I solved this thing without a single cheat.

    The theme was a slight help and I did see it early, before I had the revealer. Even before getting to MID AUGHTS, I saw the hidden ZIP and NADA. I had the IL of NIL and I had the ERO of ZERO, so I filled in the N and the Z in their respective places. ZERO got me PANZEROTTI, which I didn't know.

    Loved BUZZKILL, which I knew, sort of, and EYE BLEACH which I didn't and guessed. Great way to clue THE SAUCE.

    Look, I'm an equal opportunity complainer about trivia. It's not just the movies and the sitcoms and the songs and the rockers. It can be ridiculously arcane details about important stuff, too. I mean I'm a New Yorker who appreciates the greatness of Mayor La Guardia and all he did for the city way back in the day, but I should know what the "home" of his "Talk to the People" program was? Should you?

    Even on Saturday, I think we should put in a guiding principle for constructors: If the only reason you know this answer is because you're staring at Google or Wikipedia right at this very moment, don't expect us to know it either. Find another clue.

    This probably played on the easy side for those who know the trivia. It played very hard for me, however, and I'm proud of not cheating.

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  39. OHO and AHA in the same puzzle! EYE BLEACH and BUZZ KILL were fun. Otherwise I'm not smart enough to do this one.

    Uniclues:

    1 Survive a 4th-grader's birthday party in a small town.
    2 Introvert's conversation with the mirror.
    3 Your personal data.

    1 ENDURE PIZZA HUT
    2 ALONE AGAIN ... HI YA
    3 EMARKETER HAUL

    My Fascinating Crossword Uniclue Keepsake from Last Year: Witch blows nose. SNAPE HONKS.

    ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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  40. Enjoyable but not quite the rave given the annoyance of marzipans plural (not a thing), uey, oho, reice, eyebleach, emarketer, etc
    Just seemed like a lot to force the other answers. Oh well, different strokes etc

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  41. No idea how long this puzzle took me. It was one of those that, after the first time through, I had NADA, ZIP, ZERO. Two hours later a MAKEUP here, a PAPAYA there. Then after coming back in two more hour, the pieces began to miraculously fall. I don’t know why that happens but I love that it does. Great puzzle!

    BTW, does EEN/EER/OER qualify as a KEA/lLOA?

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  42. Challenging for me, a proper Saturday workout, complete with moments of a looming DNF and then a satisfying finish.
    Fist in: MANSE, confirmed by MAKEUP and SULU; then....nothing.
    On to the PUMP PAPAYA section, and again, the stream ran dry in a succession of "no idea" clues.
    At last an AHA moment at the gift of central ILLINOIS (hi, @tb 8:28), which obviously turned out to be only half as helpful as it should have been.
    After that, it was square-by-square progress until I was finally able to mop things up with SAUCE.
    I really enjoyed the twisted clues and then, when the grid was complete, going back to find the AUGHTS. Terrific puzzle!

    Help from previous puzzles: SHA NANA. Do-overs: central before EASTERN, GOOlIES (influenced, I think by "From ghoulies and ghosties and long-leggedy beasties and things that go bump in the night,,,." No idea: ALONE AGAIN, PANZEROTTI, EYEBLEACH.

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  43. Not much fun for me. NBADYNASTY for the Bill Russell Celtics and the Michael Jordan Bulls. That was pretty much it.

    Too much junk. I count seven entries which are trashcan-eligible, led by EWW.

    Byron Walden, who is a mathematician at Santa Clara, the sister Jesuit university to my alma mater University of San Francisco, has done a lot better than this.

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  44. Anonymous10:33 AM

    I wanted "the aughts." Wasn't he President from 2001 - 2008, so pretty much all the aughts!?

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  45. JQHeywood10:35 AM

    SULU was not the first recipient of a vulcan nerve pinch on Star Trek TOS. Nimoy invented it to incapacitate KIRK in the episode "The Ememy Within" because he thought punching him as the script called for was too violent for Spock.

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  46. I was expecting a Rexrant; just when you think you know someone…😏

    True Natick at Chao/Doha. O was the most likely letter when it was the only one left.

    South central and NE did me in until I checked the puzzle, which gave me enough confidence in the correct answers to fill in the rest. My jaM band will have to wait. I smiled at ARM candy, which parses so differently than ARMband. I couldn’t believe in TRICE even when it was the only possible letter configuration. REICE and T in the themer didn’t inspire absolute confidence. Somehow I must have missed the TRICE appetizer on Thursday…

    Big smile for SHA NA NA. I had NANA and big quizzical expression with tHe NANA??

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  47. @nancy - I would think you would know WNYC, the flagship NPR radio station in our area.

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  48. Used to work selling turkey legs at a Renaissance festival when I was younger. The booth next door sold panzerotti, which I had never heard of before and have not encountered since. But it was a really fun aha moment when that word came back to me during this puzzle.

    Funnily, at one point PIZZA ROLLS would have fit perfectly for me, but I don’t think Totino’s is what you’d call authentically Italian.

    Between calzones, stromboli and panzerotti, the Italians sure came up with lots of ways to wrap sauce and cheese in a bread shell, didn’t they?

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  49. Ingredients for a Kealoa salad? ………. PAPAYA and CASABA. (Hi @Roo)

    I was quite a way toward EASTERNILedefrance before I reread the clue.

    I believe that the badge worn by officials of the new golf tour run by the “scary motherf***ers” (hi Phil Mickelson) is a LIVID.

    Talk about dynasties! Remember when SHIRAZ, Cab and Pinot played for the REDS? They usually blended well, and when they did fight, they’d hit THESAUCE and MAKEUP.

    I find myself in rare agreement with virtually everything @Rex says, except that I saw how to parse “Minor blemish” immediately. Loved this puzzle. Thanks, Byron Walden.

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  50. Ride the Reading11:07 AM

    Going to pile on about Champaign. It's in Central Illinois. Heck, the Illinois Central had a station in Champaign (admittedly, as it did in Carbondale, which is definitely NOT in Central Illinois). If you're going with a university town for a clue, go with Charleston - home of Eastern Illinois University.

    Thought I was headed for a very quick solve - but then got stuck for four or five minutes on Panzerotti at the end (the nIT and EEn issue). Never heard of it. Threw up my hands and Googled it. Perhaps I should have saved the puzzle (it was 2:30a.m.) and come back to it in the morning, instead of looking it up.

    I liked this puzzle a lot, Eastern Illinois aside. Pizza Hut. Geena Davis - oh, the TV series "Buffalo Bill." Eye bleach. Keep 'em coming, Byron Walden.

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  51. Anonymous11:07 AM

    I have a bag that has five pieces of candy in it. There are three jawbreakers and two MARZIPANS. Want one?

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  52. As someone who’s lived in EASTERN ILLINOIS my entire life (Chicago area and four and a half years in Champaign for college), I can attest that Champaign is indeed in E. ILLINOIS (and central Illinois). It exists. There’s even an EASTERN ILLINOIS University. This puzzle won me over with that answer, plus NBA DYNASTY, which references the ‘90s Bulls. I’m familiar with PANZEROTTI, which I’m pretty sure I’ve seen in some Chicago joints. Struggled only with that southwest corner. I saw the ZIP, ZERO, NIL, and NADA, but couldn’t figure out what “nothing” had to do with the GWB fiasco, as all my memories of that era are negative (i.e., less than ZERO). So it took a while to parse that from only HIYA and EDEN. Like Rex, I had The AUGHTS at first and couldn’t figure out why “MID” until I read his write-up. Plus “Gangbusters” really was an unfair clue, which I took to be old-timey slang, as the clue makes you think. Tricky. I thought Rex would hate this. A themed Saturday which name-checks Elaine CHAO and GWB, plus makes light of barflies. But glad he liked it. It was a proper Saturday workout with the added twist of an unexpected theme.

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  53. ZIP, NADA, NIL & ZERO slipped right in, but nAUGHTS never materialized for a humbling dnf. I guess that means nothing really. Seeing Byron as the constructor was some balm for the ZIT today’s grid placed on my brow. I’m ablush with shame that MAKEUP won’t erase! And then there is EYE BLEACH? wtf?

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  54. I print out the puzzle and do it on paper (how ols school of me!), so I saw the 60A clue right away and knew it was a theme puzzle, but that didn't make it any less enjoyable. Breezed through most of it, but got a little slowed down in the NW, and was briefly stuck in the NE until I got ARM. That made me realize MARZIPANS, and then the rest just fell into place. Strong puzzle!

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  55. Well, I wrote a looong glowing comment, praisin the FriPuz, submitted it fine, and it never showed.
    I also luv m&e a themed SatPuz, so thUmbsUp, on this here Walden dude's 68th SatPuz.

    staff weeject pick: MARZIPANS's ZIP.

    Thanx, Mr. Walden. Great to see U back.

    Masked & Anonymo8Us


    **gruntz**

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  56. Pretty easy until the SW. I had CITRON (much wrinklier than CASABA), GMEN, couldn't recall CHAO, and had no AHA moment INA moment.
    MARZIPAN S? Please. No such thing. Marzipan, like homework, is a noncount noun.

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  57. Tough. The NW was a bear. All I had for most of my solve was MANSE (I erased SULU twice). EMARKETER and PANZEROTTI were major WOEs, plus I had oER before EER for way to long...so tough! Oh, and WNbC before WNYC obscured NBA DYNASTY for quite a while. That said the east side was quite a bit easier than the west.

    Very clever theme with plenty of sparkle, liked it a bunch or what @Rex said.

    I went to grad school in Chambana and I always though I was in central ILLINOIS. Apparently I was also in EASTERN ILLINOIS.

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  58. Mommy...I want a Byron Walden puzzle every Saturday. It can be my Christmas present...
    This was a brilliant puzzle....But.... call me dense. I had no idea that George W. Bush lived in an era called MID AUGHTS. I'm happy for him. I didn't know what that meant. He's also involved in a hint called PANZEROTTI. What did the Italians do to him? And GEENA! Is she of Italian Heritage ?
    Leave the theme alone and go finish the rest of this wonderful, glorious - put on my thinking cap - puzzle.
    I did.
    I had to work hard, really hard in some places. I'm looking at E MARKET. Then I stare at the foods. Is PAPAYA meeting up with that Thai som tam salad? Is CASABA really wrinkly? MARZIPANS...are you the only almond treat around these parts? Is it THE SAUCE? Does PIZZLA HUT serve up that unknown PANZEROTTI? Maybe these are foods served with Champaign in EASTERN ILLINOIS - although the French might be LIVID with the misspelling,,,
    I didn't get the theme. Boy did I want to. Treats all around but no dessert. Did I really care? NO.
    Oh....I did get that SHA NA NA. Squealed with delight.
    ALONE AGAIN....La la la.

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  59. @Son Volt-Agree on the Stumper. Great stuff.

    @bocamp-Thx re SB, and good luck on the Stumper. It's a bear but very rewarding.

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  60. @burtonkd (10:42) -- I did know WNYC...once it came in. But with the words "home of" and the word "program" instead of "broadcast" -- well, I didn't even realize I was looking for a radio station. Now where did mayors live before Gracie Mansion anyway? :)

    Nor did it help that I never thought of EWW for "[Gag]". I was thinking of UGH or ICK. If I'd had that initial "W" of WNYC, that would have made the answer much more obvious.

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  61. Great puzzle, but leave Eastern Illinois alone. It's basically upstate New York without the mountains.

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  62. I really don't get the impulse to put nIT instead of ZIT -- a nit is not a blemish by any definition. It's a complaint or a louse egg.

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  63. Struggled with the panzerotti pannerotti thing & it threw me off in the NE.
    Went with biscotti for almond treats thinking there must be some Italian thing happening

    Eventually tried marzipan & buzzkill, pizzahut were gimmes. Job done

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  64. PANZEROTTI was a gimme for me. If you're ever on Smith St. in Carroll Gardens, Brooklyn, stop in at the Panzerotti Bites cafΓ© (see avatar) and try one.

    I thought this puzzle was great. The theme was a totally unexpected bonus. I just wish it had been a little harder. But it can't be faulted for anything other than that.

    Flashback to 1981 and a lovely ballad by a band from Eastern Illinois

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  65. Dave L12:22 PM

    I so wanted the revealer to be “hiddenWMDs”

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  66. You made me work hard to fill every grid (well, maybe not every) but it was a good work-out.

    Good to see you, Byron!

    Happy Birthday, Mrs. Rex!

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  67. I worked in an Italian restaurant here in Portland that served panzerotti. Similar to a calzone but deep fried? Yummy.

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  68. I solved last night then went to bed without realizing there was a theme. I vaguely recall reading the MID AUGHTS clue but wasn't paying enough attention. Dumb!

    Looking at N-- DYNASTY I wondered: NHL or NFL? Boston was an NHL dynasty in the early 70s; about the NFL dynasties I know nothing. Oh... basketball? Always forget about that sport.

    Hands up for being torn between NIT and ZIT. WNYC crossing CASABA at the C was also nasty, an unguessable letter (especially since I had MID OUGHTS!) until I remembered La Guardia was an NYC mayor.

    [Spelling Bee: Fri 0. Sam, I have a NIT to pick: the pangram is a totally legit word; and this is accepted when it has the required letter, so why was this not accepted yd?]

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  69. Anonymous2:17 PM

    I also had the ZIT/NIT and EEN/EER problems. The only reason why I'm giving the constructor a pass on having these two Naticks so close to each other is that ZERO doesn't work with NIT and EEN. But it's not great to have two ambiguous clues almost back-to-back like that!

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  70. Re: GOONIEs > Astoria:

    "Astoria, Oregon, is a charming city located at the mouth of the Columbia River, near the Pacific Ocean. It is the county seat of Clatsop County and is known for its rich history, stunning coastal scenery, and a vibrant arts and culture scene. Here are some key highlights about Astoria and the iconic bridge over the Columbia River:

    Astoria, Oregon:

    • History: Astoria is the oldest American settlement west of the Rocky Mountains. It was founded in 1811 as a fur trading post by John Jacob Astor's American Fur Company, from which it gets its name. Its history is deeply intertwined with the Lewis and Clark Expedition.

    • Scenic Beauty: The city is situated along the Columbia River and offers breathtaking views of the river, the Pacific Ocean, and the surrounding forests and hills. The Astoria Column, a historic tower, provides panoramic views of the area.

    • Maritime Heritage: Astoria has a rich maritime heritage, and you can visit the Columbia River Maritime Museum to learn about the history of the river and its role in the development of the region.

    • Film Connection: Astoria gained fame as the setting for the 1985 film "The Goonies." Fans of the movie often visit the town to see locations featured in the film.

    Astoria-Megler Bridge:

    • Description: The Astoria-Megler Bridge is a prominent bridge that spans the Columbia River, connecting Astoria, Oregon, to the Long Beach Peninsula in Washington State. It's a vital transportation link in the region.

    • Length: The bridge is quite long, with a total length of approximately 4.1 miles, making it one of the longest continuous truss bridges in North America.

    • Scenic Drive: The drive across the Astoria-Megler Bridge offers stunning views of the river, the coast, and the surrounding landscape. It's a popular route for travelers exploring the Pacific Northwest.

    • Iconic Landmark: The bridge is an iconic landmark in the region and an engineering marvel. It has become a symbol of the area's connectivity and beauty.

    Visiting Astoria and crossing the Astoria-Megler Bridge is a memorable experience, especially for those who appreciate natural beauty, history, and coastal charm. The city and the bridge are key attractions in the Pacific Northwest." (ChatGPT)
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  71. Saturdays are usually a slog for me (only been dong crosswords for a little over a year), but today was brutal. A fair puzzle, but the trivia was heavily skewed to an older generation. GEENA DAVIS, CLEO LAINE, GOONIE, SHA NA NA, ALF, ALONE AGAIN, LIZA (Cabaret)...could import this puzzle to the 80's and it would be fresh.

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  72. Excellent puzzle! This actually played Med-Med/Challenging for me. I was slightly over my average time. And my true, more fair average is probably 20-30% below what's listed because of early slowness when I was learning (more than now) and some outliers bringing my average up.

    However, when I got to that final square (O in PANZEROTTI/GOONIE) everything was white (not pencil) and I was very confident I was gonna get the victory screen. Hard but fair. This was just a perfect challenge level for me for a Sat.

    Not sure I've always loved Byron's puzzles as much as others, maybe I've just progressed enough to get him. And I agree this one was truly a masterpiece.

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  73. Not really into a themed Saturday. Sorry.

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  74. LorrieJJ3:42 PM

    Alone Again (Naturally) ... IMHO one of the top 5 songs to come out of the English invasion. It still has the power to stop me in my tracks and just listen.

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  75. @Son Volt, @pabloinnh, @bocamp - For me the Stumper was very hard, and I'm pleased I was able to finish it. Especially the bottom four rows were a story of taking a stab, erasing, trying again, erasing again....I'll take the clue for 66A as my word of the day - "confounded" - which is what I was a lot of the time. Not complaining! I agree it was a really good puzzle.

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  76. theghostofleonardnimoy4:03 PM

    Though I originally came up with the idea of the Vulcan Nerve Pinch to be used in a scene with Captain Kirk ("The Enemy Within", Season 1, Episode 5), that episode actually aired after the one in which I used it on Sulu ("The Naked Time", Season 1, Episode 4).

    Live long and prosper.

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    1. Are you planning to haunt the new Nimoy theater in Westwood CA?

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  77. Anonymous4:14 PM

    Ironic that a puzzle with so many Zs kept so many people up and alert

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  78. @KRS ... keep at it ... There was a time when I couldn't fill in more than a third of a Byron Walden Saturday puzzle (and boy, would I get frustrated!). I still occasionally get stumped, but completing a difficult puzzle has become my favorite part of this pastime. IMHO, BW is near the top of the list of the best in this business.

    Of course, you could import me to the '80s and I'd be fresh too. So, there's that.

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  79. I learn so much from crossword puzzles and lurking in this blog's comment section. Today's lesson: Illinois is the only geographic entity on the planet that has a Northern, Central and Southern region, but no Western or Eastern region. Huh. Someone need to contact the powers that be at Eastern and Western Illinois Universities.

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  80. Anonymous4:41 PM

    Super tough. And ultimately very satisfying!

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  81. Anonymous5:03 PM

    One of the most entertaining Saturday’s in recent memory!! Loved it

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  82. theghostofleonardnimoy5:18 PM

    @Andrew R ... that would be illogical

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  83. Fun fun fun fun fun fun fun fun fun!!! And to make this even more fun, I agree with almost everything @Rex has to say today. My only nit is with his nit with the ZIT. That word is so in the vernacular now that I couldn’t care less that it’s a tad yucky.

    First of all, I got through this AS a themeless because I never read the “reveal” until I came here and saw the circled words in the review. The picture itself made me say - yes, out loud - “What?!” That was cool. Just cool. The invisible theme. No. The invisible clever theme. I was in sort of a downs only mode in the SW because my wavelength connection at that point was simply infallible. That in itself was a tad scary but I rode that wave and never even read the “reveal.”

    As an Illini alum, best moment today was catching “Champaign” immediately, and thinking “yippee” an Illini-related clue. Sure enough. At that point I had a few letters and just plopped in EASTERN ILLINOIS. Then I had a momentary “That was a pretty disappointing clue for my beloved alma mater” thought, and moved on to keep up the delightful Friday progress.

    The two toughies for me were: first, “tested, as a cask . . . “ for REGAUGED and trying to “see” GOOD VS EVIL” when I was closing in on completion but had _ _ODVS_ _ IL.

    Oh, there was also “flat bottoms” for SOLES. That one, for me (I hated wearing heels and quit waaaay before it was “acceptable” for a professional woman) should have been a gimme and wasn’t.

    REGAUGED was just an odd word to me and the clue also seemed a bit clumsily worded. Mostly though, my difficulty was provably because no matter how many times I see or use the word GAUGE or any form thereof, it looks incorrectly spelled (or “spelt” as my British nephew would say) because it instantly harkens back to the first time I encountered the word in third grade during a spelling bee and mispronounced it. I was instantly shamed by my mean teacher, and teased all through recess that day. I refused to speak during spelling bees for the rest of my primary school career. It’s a big reason why I love hearing anecdotes here that clearly demonstrate that so many of you are or have experienced the immeasurable wonderfulness (for want of a better word) of dedicated caring teachers.

    Anyway, once I moved on down to the SE though, the rest if that corner was done in a TRICE. Side note, Cleo LAINE is an all time favorite of mine and I love to see her in a puzzle. Getting back to my toughies, GOOD VS EVIL was the very last to fall and I head scratched for much too long.

    Any time that happens I am amazed at the complexity of the human brain. Why does it work and sometimes not? All y’all neuroscientists out there, I will applaud any and all breakthroughs because we need them. They will create the treatments we desperately need for all kinds of diseases and disorders. Every little bit of progress improves lives. I support and celebrate you all and revere your abilities.

    Best puzzle in ages and certainly best Friday of the year. Thank you Byron; more please.

    And everyone, please forgive my weird stream of consciousness today. I’m trying to watch my Illini make a decent showing (ok, ok, I am actually hoping they win another one) against Maryland: Illini vs Terrapins. There’s some unique mascots for you! Hail to the Orange!








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  84. Apparently there were two different clues for LIZA floating around. The Times site had it as "Cabaret" name but XWordInfo shows it as Name at the heart of civilization?

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  85. "Good vs. Evil" has an abbreviation in it, but the clue doesn't indicate that in any way. Isn't that against the rules? ;-)

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  86. Bob Mills7:13 PM

    To Bocamp: Many thanks for the compliment. I had no idea I was showing up at both sites.


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  87. @Carola (3:49 PM)

    Congrats on your victory! 😊

    Very hard, indeed! I'm 4 x NYT Sat. into it, with 1/2 to go. Only Cali & the SW are solid; holes everywhere else. 🀞

    @Bob Mills (7:13 PM) yw 😊

    Your hard work and dedication are paying off! πŸ‘

    Just curious what you mean by 'both sites'??
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  88. Possibly one of my favorite puzzles ever, if I hadn't had to Google half the answers.

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  89. Anonymous11:57 PM

    With solid 6 and 7 Down answers in place and providing MA for the start of 18 Across, I was confident with MACAROONS instead of MARZIPAN until the bitter end. Apparently, I was one of the few to have fallen into the trap. Loved this puzzle!

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  90. Chicago Joe12:33 AM

    Okay, I'm feeling especially thick today, but...AGTS?

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  91. @sanfranman59 thanks for the pep talk! You seem pretty fresh to me!

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  92. Anonymous12:44 PM

    A mansard roof looks like a variation of a barn. The Pizza Hut logo looks like a hat with a brim. It is not a mansard roof.

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  93. Theme was absolutely necessary for that ZIT/PANZEROTTI cross, where I was going to go with nIT.

    Wonderful puzzle.

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  94. Anonymous11:13 AM

    Hard! Thought it was MIDniGHTS for the longest time before the light clicked on. Had no idea what the theme was until I completed. Not sure the reward was worth all that effort.

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  95. Anonymous11:15 AM

    I too think the roof on the PIZZAHUT logo looks like a hat. They should rename the restaurant to PIZZAHaT.

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  96. Lo and behold, there she is, in full name glory! An all-time DOD, she's GEENADAVIS! I said to myself, I have GOT to finish this puzzle: THISISMINE!

    Mere minutes later I was looking at a completed NW. I pinched myself.

    Okay, the rest, particularly the SW, was not so kind. But I was determined, and after some messy writeovers I did finish.

    Chief among those was Wm. Morris' roster, which I had as ACTORS. Of course, I should know they have all kinds of TALENT, not just actors.

    Squeezing a theme into a Saturday grid is a special feat; this one had a big AHA moment. Eagle!

    Wordle near-eagle: BBBYB GGGGB GGGGG. Didn't think fast enough, that was the thing.

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  97. Diana, LIW1:08 PM

    Nae, nae. I got the puz but not the "joke." Well...I got most of the puz. One or two places needed more TLC than I had - regarding sports and names, of course.

    Diana, Lady-in-Waiting for Crosswords

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  98. rondo1:30 PM

    At first I had put Champaign in cenTralILLINOIS, so a mess there. And a kEY for UEY, don't ever care to see UEY or its variants. Hard to argue with GEENADAVIS.

    Haha @spacey! - My wordle thing was also not to think quicker. My birdie total is 5 short of your 149 by game 500, but I have 17 more chances to go for it. Currently at:
    one = 1
    two = 28
    three (birdie) = 144
    four = 191
    five = 82
    six(phew) = 27

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  99. Burma Shave2:00 PM

    PUMP ME UP

    KAY said, “What A BUZZKILL,
    no one CALLS, I’m ALONEAGAIN,
    ZERO, ZIP, NADA, NIL,
    THISIS hard to ENDURE: no MEN.”

    --- LIZA LAINE

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  100. Anonymous8:16 PM

    This was a real slog... No fun at all. MIDAUGHTS. WTF!!! Who has ever said that tern????

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