Relative difficulty: Medium
Theme answers:
One of those puzzles where I admired the concept more than I actually enjoyed filling the grid. This was especially true after I discovered the basic conceit (two letters per square in the answers with italicized clues). I almost wish the theme answers had been neither italicized in their clues *nor* symmetrical, so at least there would've been some element of surprise, some thrill of discovery. Yes, the puzzle would've been much harder, but it also would've been less dull. Once you get one theme answer, you can infer that all the other theme answers are going to work the same way. This doesn't mean the answers are transparent (you still gotta work the crosses etc.), but there's not much thematically left to discover, except the revealer, which I pretty much guessed right away (that is, shortly after uncovering the double-letter concept). The theme is a dutifully literal representation of a familiar expression, which is the bread & butter of crossword themes. This one is obviously high-end, with an architecture that is showier and more complex than usual. But it felt oddly by-the-book. Everything doubled, everything down, everything symmetrical, tidy, in its place. You can't fault the cleanliness of it all. But my main experience while solving was ploddingly entering two characters per square, over and over again. After the first themer drops, most of what's left is just Work, not Revelation or Surprise or Fun.
- [UP][S T][HE] [AN][TE] (1D: Makes things more interesting)
- [BE][T T][HE] [FA][RM] (54D: Risk it all)
- [RA][IS][E T][HE] [ST][AK][ES] (24D: Make things more interesting)
- [GO] [FO][R B][RO[KE] (11D: Risk it all)
The Karnak Temple Complex, commonly known as Karnak (/ˈkɑːr.næk/), comprises a vast mix of temples, pylons, chapels, and other buildings near Luxor, Egypt. Construction at the complex began during the reign of Senusret I (reigned 1971–1926 BCE) in the Middle Kingdom (c. 2000–1700 BCE) and continued into the Ptolemaic Kingdom (305–30 BCE), although most of the extant buildings date from the New Kingdom. The area around Karnak was the ancient Egyptian Ipet-isut ("The Most Selected of Places") and the main place of worship of the 18th Dynastic Theban Triad, with the god Amun as its head. It is part of the monumental city of Thebes, and in 1979 it was added to the UNESCO World Heritage List along with the rest of the city. The Karnak complex gives its name to the nearby, and partly surrounded, modern village of El-Karnak, 2.5 kilometres (1.6 miles) north of Luxor. (wikipedia)
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The theme execution is orderly and mostly tight, but there's one little wobble. Well, maybe two little wobbles involving one themer in particular. First, the obvious odd-man-out change to third-person with [UP][S T][HE] [AN][TE]. You've got GO, RAISE, BET ... but then UPS, with the "S." Makes it slightly wonky, but it's a minor and probably necessary blemish. Symmetry gotta symmetry, so fine, UPS, not UP, that'll do. Less acceptable, to my eye, is the clue on [TE]E-PEE (23A: Tent with smoke flaps, in an anglicized spelling). Uh ... hmm. So ... TEPEE, which gets used in crosswords all the time, fits perfectly in those five spaces, and is also an "anglicized spelling." Here, I'll let wikipedia explain:
A tipi (/ˈtiːpiː/ "TEE-pee"), often called a lodge in English, is a conical tent, historically made of animal hides or pelts, and in more recent generations of canvas, stretched on a framework of wooden poles. The word is Siouan, and in use in Dakhótiyapi, Lakȟótiyapi, and as a loanword in US and Canadian English, where it is sometimes spelled phonetically as teepee and tepee. (wikipedia) (my emphasis)
So the puzzle pretends like it's telling us something helpful with that "anglicized spelling" bit, but it's telling us nothing. This makes the [TE]E-PEE clue weird and anomalous, in that a "wrong" answer (TEPEE) makes perfect sense, and fits. Every Single Other Rebus-Involved Answer is impossible to enter in any plausible way that doesn't involve the two-letter gimmick. You either get the rebus bit or you're stuck. But in this case: TEPEE is absolutely valid for the clue. I don't think I'd be nearly as annoyed by this clue if it hadn't appeared to be going out of its way to give me extra information, while actually giving me nothing. It also seems to imply that TEPEE isn't anglicized, which is wrong.
I could tell from square one that this was a rebus puzzle of some sort. The very first clue wanted to be UP TO but UP TO wouldn't fit (you know, the normal way). And after that, nothing fit. When you can't get Anything to work in a corner, and it's Thursday, there is a very, very good chance that you're dealing with a multiple-letters-in-a-single-square situation. This puzzle also basically highlights the trouble spots by italicizing the theme clues, so everywhere I was struggling, there was a theme clue cutting right through that section. Again, may as well have held up a neon "REBUS" sign. Even so, it took a little work to figure out the exact nature of the rebus. That didn't happen in and around the first theme answer in the NW, but once I started struggling in and around the second themer I encountered, I dug in and eventually dug up the trick:
[you can see my initial TEPEE there] |
I think DI[ET]S was the first answer I attempted with the double letters (32A: Food regimens). Then [RA]CES (24A: Derbies, e.g.) and A[ST]OR (though I have no idea who this "historic" lady is) (45A: Britain's historic Lady ___). As is typical with the Thursday gimmick, once I got it, the rest of the puzzle got much easier. I can't recall any real trouble spots. I struggled a bit to remember KARNAK, and I wasn't entirely sure of the spelling of GARRETS, and HE[RM]ES was fairly elusive (69A: High-end fashion house)—certainly the most elusive of the theme-crossers, for me (that, and [AN]NEALED). But everything else, very gettable. I can see how the NE might've been the hardest section to get into, with the non-America CITROËN (22A: French automaker) and the somewhat unusual VIBISTS (9D: Musicians that play with mallets) being the main access routes to that section. But hopefully you, like me, found Abe VI[GO]DA to be a gimme. Or maybe BA[RB]IE was your gimme (not for me, still haven't seen it). I lucked out up there, in a way, because I've been listening to a lot of Milt Jackson records lately, and Milt Jackson ... plays vibes. So pretty quickly after reading 9D: Musicians that play with mallets, I was like "uh ... is VIBISTS a word?" And it is! VIBISTS VI[GO]DA AMEN(S)!
Given how taxing the theme must've been on the grid, the fill holds up very well today. The "UP"s cross in the NW, but again, small matter, made necessary by the theme, so forgivable. More partials than usual (UP TO, I'D BE, IN AT), and a couple of awkward two-word phrases (IS ONTO, AS FAST). But those were all theme-involved, so I'm not mad. The longer answers are solid, and I don't think I winced anywhere. The crosswordese (AER, ERSE) was infrequent and (therefore) tolerable. I expect the fill to be compromised somewhat by a theme this dense, so my main feeling today was "it's fine—could definitely have been a lot worse." Does anything need explaining? LONG U is the vowel sound in the word "prune" (67A: What's found in the center of a prune?). ID TAGs "hang" around dog's necks (43A: One hanging around a kennel?). English poets used to use the word "ERE" to mean "previously" (41D: How English poets wrote previously?). ROO is a character in the Pooh universe (Poohniverse?). Weird to call ROO a "critter" (64D: Critter that grows by leaps and bounds?). Hmm, now that I think of it, the clue probably wants me to think of 'ROO as a general term for "kangaroo" here. So nevermind. OLGA makes bras, MRS. Claus is married to Santa, Harry REID was Senate majority leader. Hopefully you knew the university staffers were RAS and not TAS (48D: Univ. staffers)—otherwise you'd end up with KATNAK. If you'd never heard of KARNAK, then KATNAK seems like a very plausible mistake. Would love to hear if anyone got KATNAK'd. I want someone to have been KATNAK'd. I just like the idea of someone saying "D'oh, I got KATNAK'd!" But you're all probably too smart for that. Alas. See you tomorrow.
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Lol…..I got KATNAK’d….😂
ReplyDeleteyesssssss! I mean, I’m sorry 😊 ~RP
DeleteWhat is longu?
DeleteWhen you pronounce “u” in a word as “u”, not “uh”, you get a “long u” sound.
DeleteAs in a long ‘u’ vowel
DeleteFun fact: Karnak is also the name of NYT’s headline font.
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ReplyDeleteMy big problem with rebodes is always, "I know this word contains a rebus but I don't know where it goes." Once I got the theme, the italicized clues eliminated that and made the puzzle much easier.
After striking out in the NW and in fact the rest of the North, I started going after the threes. That led to my biggest problem, where the Golfer's target at 65A just had to be par, which made me take out UNLATCHES. D'oh! The theme bulb lit up when I got back to the NE, with Abe VI[GO]DA, CIT[RO]EN and [KE]DS.
Misremembered Harry REID as REeD (38A), resisted KARNAK because wasn't that a Johnny Carson routine? (Yes, but he spelled it cARNAc). OLGA was a WOE.
Once again I'm glad that I don't print the newspaper version and thus didn't have italics in any clues. Much more fun to discover the squares with doubled letters all on my own.
ReplyDeleteWTH! 🤦♂️
Delete▪️I printed it from the website—no italics.
▪️I looked at it online—no italics.
▪️I tried “print newspaper version”—no italics.
I knew immediately what the gimmick was and got about 1/2 way through, but decided it was a slog. DNF.
Lady Astor was a once-famous antagonist of Winston Churchill’s. They had the famous (and perhaps apocryphal) exchange, roughly:
ReplyDeleteLA: “Winston, if you were my husband I would poison your tea”
WC: “Nancy, if you were my wife, I would drink it.”
(There are others, including several jabs from her about his sobriety and one about her willingness to be a prostitue for $1 million)
Yes & I love the one where she is reputed the have said "Winston you are drunk" to which came the reply
Delete" I may be drunk madam but you are ugly. However, in the morning, I shall be sober"
I was Katnak’d. Sadly.
ReplyDeleteI suppose that rebus and Thursday fans won’t be troubled by having to enter all of those double letter squares, which I found tedious.
ReplyDeleteI found the payoff in the rest of the grid to be seriously lacking as well (and more tedium - items like VIBISTS, ANNEALED, DORIC, KARNAK, AEOLUS, GARRETS, OLGA, ESTADO, HERMES - all of which are, well, pretty much garbage). Maybe discerning the theme entries themselves will be enough to carry the day for those who are fans of these types of puzzles, but to me it’s another in what is turning out to be a really sad October for the crew over at the Old Gray Lady.
Hand up for KATNAK’d
ReplyDeleteI’m usually pretty good at sniffing out the “letter in a word” misdirect clues, but man, my brain was just all mush on LONGU after filling from crosses.
Enjoyed overall and definitely a clean, tight theme. But after getting theme in NE with VIGODA, then worked down to SE, so was a little bummed to hit the revealer that early, which made the remaining themers feel pretty rudimentary.
I liked this so much better than Rex. Actually, I loved, loved, loved it!
ReplyDeleteI tend to jump around when solving until I find an area where I can get a good "purchase". Today, it was smack dab in the middle with 24, 32, 42 & 45 Across, where the clues were gimmes, each with only one logical answer. It then became obvious double-letter rebuses had to be stacked upon one another at 24D. Now that I grokked the SCHEME, er, theme, it was off to the RACES!
I loved how all the themed answers shared a second theme, i.e., synonyms (or nearly so) related to taking risks and 52D was a legitimate, spot on revealer. I rank this among the top 5 NYTXWs of the year, maybe #1.
This was a perfect Thursday for me. I knew something was up but really struggled to figure it out. Once I did, I was delighted and loved filling in the other DOUBLE DOWNS. I got it in the SW, where almost every across answer was clearly one letter too long. Obviously the double letters had to be in the down answer with the italicized clue. (Debating whether I agree with Rex that they should’ve left the clues unitalicized - I might not have been able to do it.) As I filled them in, BET THE FARM came into view and I was so happy. I went to the revealer next, which was spot on. Then went back to the top and center and got them pretty easily. It might help that I love playing poker, so I’ve done all these things.
ReplyDeleteI did not get KATNAK’d because I’ve been to Karnak. It’s stunning.
Seeing ENOS made me sad to think of all those animals sent up into space with no idea what they were doing. He was the second of two chimps that went up before John Glenn, and he orbited Earth twice. I had it in my head that most of these animals died, but the chimps didn’t. Apparently ENOS was subjected to overheating and unexpected shocks during his flight but he performed all his tasks anyway, landed in the sea but got very pissed at the delays in getting rescued and broke his restraints and pulled out all his medical sensors. The one that really makes me sad is Laika, the Soviet space dog who was sent up with no intention that she would survive.
Ok I really went down a rabbit hole here. Were any rabbits sent into space? Probably. Better go look that up…
Like @Mary in NE I always print late-week puzzles and solve on paper, which today for some reason had no italicized clues, and found it (somewhat) more challenging and enjoyable that way.
ReplyDeleteIf you’re a person who enjoys a rebus, I’m happy for you. As for the rest of us, this was a bit of a slog. And another reason why I don’t care for rebodes: they make it so hard to track down the stray typo. I think I spent more time searching one out than I did on solving everything else. If I didn’t care about my streak (a ridiculous thing to care about, I know), I would have bailed.
ReplyDeleteI left this puzzle struck by how cool it felt to solve. My brain loves to ad lib, think on its feet, and there was so much of that going on.
ReplyDeleteSo much to crack. Figuring out that the theme answers were all-rebus. Using their crossing answers to help uncover what they were. Using the theme answers themselves to uncover what their crossing answers were. With five all-rebus theme answers and their 27 crosses, there were 32 rebus answers to crack! This is the type of untangling my brain craves, and by puzzle’s end it was in a fat and happy place, immersing me in a cloud of bliss – a rare and wonderful gift.
This is Colin’s third NYT puzzle, and all have themes involving related phrases. Today’s had to do with gambling phrases, and I loved the backward ALL IN that serendipitously showed up. I also loved the nailed-it revealer DOUBLE DOWN, which is not only a gambling phrase, but which also perfectly describes the two-letters-in-a-box heading southward theme answers.
I adored this puzzle – the joy in its uncovering, and how it left me thoroughly entertained and satisfied. Thank you, Colin, for a stellar outing!
The backwards all in! Great crossword mind!
DeleteDNF. Threw in the towel. Now that I see it, oh Duh, but my brain just did not get there. Prune has a long U? Like in Unite?
ReplyDelete@ghostofelectricity (from yesterday), Oh "goodness," I loved it. The cast was as you said. The Iller scene was killer. The clothes by Oleg Cassini, gorgeous to look at. The violins soaring. Thank you.
Anon from yesterday, I'll check out La Danse Apache tonight!
Thx, Colin; what a blast! 😊
ReplyDeleteHard (2 x avg).
Wasn't just the theme that made this one tough, but some of the regular fill as well, e.g., NILLA; VIGODA; CITROEN; ANNEALED; TEEPEE; DORIC; ENOS; ASTOR; KARNAK; ESTADO; HERMES; ON DEPOSIT; COSMO; VIBISTS; AEOLUS; GO IT ALONE.
'Twas indeed a worthy battle; enjoyed the challenge very much.
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Peace 🕊 🇺🇦 ~ Compassion ~ Tolerance ~ Kindness, Freudenfreude & a DAP to all 👊 🙏
Feeling a bit tired after that. Gonna go take a quick KATNAK.
ReplyDeleteI enjoyed it. Theme was very useful for getting some of the crosses, at least as much as the other way around. Got irritated by the TEEPEE clue for the same reason as RP.
What a theme! So fun. Great Thursday puzzle.
ReplyDeleteI was KATNAKed! However, when the puzzle wasn’t counted as completed, switching, the T to an R was clearly the way to go.
ReplyDeleteI didn't know Karnak, but I work at a university so I don't naturally think of TAs as "staffers" but rather instructors, so luckily did not get katnak'd. (But of course, you could consider them to be part of the instructional 'staff,' so TA would fit.)
ReplyDeleteOTOH, I did know Abe Vigoda, but not how to spell his name, so had issues getting 'vibists' which is a term I think I've heard of, maybe?
Almost got Katnak’d and Astor’d but figured it out. Double stacked proper names is a big fail. Otherwise, puzzle was easy as could be. Got the theme right away when up to didn’t fit at 1a.
ReplyDeleteI figured out the rebus reasonably quickly... I knew something was up right away, but couldn't get a hold in the NW so moved south. I hit on it down there.
ReplyDeleteBut even without the rebus I found it a little bit tough. Mostly because of that NE. Oddly enough, CITROËN was the gimme for me, but it didn't help much other than to confirm AMENS. Didn't know VIGODA (fudged my way though phonetically from a dim memory of a name I thought I might have heard... it started as paGODA) or BARBIE (I didn't even occur to me they'd ask about a movie so recent that it's quite probable a large number of solver's wouldn't have seen it).
And VIBISTS? Yeah, no. It might technically be a word, but no one calls anyone a VIBIST. It's like saying "I'm not a drummer, I'm a rhythmist."
Ok, I'll be sure to keep that in mind Mr. Aspiring-To-Be-A-Failed-Elementary-School-Band-Teacher.
I’m confused—where is the puzzle appearing w/o italicized clues? When I go to the website version, the theme clues are in italics. Has it been fixed/updated? —RP
ReplyDeleteAt 4 a.m. Pacific time when my husband printed it from the website for me there were no italics. Found it challenging, but eventually figured it out. Was a bit miffed when I read 57 Down. Huh? Italics? Gave me a sense of accomplishment to do it without them. 😁
DeleteI liked the puzzle a lot and I thought Rex’s write up was fair, except for his comments about Teepee. He always complains about this spelling. It seems that in the crossword universe tepee is much more common, but in my world I never ever saw any spelling other than teepee until I did a lot of crossword puzzles. The other spelling looks it should rhyme with Tetley (the tea) but nobody pronounces Teepee that way no matter how it is spelled. So Rex, lighten up; for many people Teepee is the only spelling if they aren’t doing crosswords.
ReplyDelete??? I don’t “always” (or ever) do that (if anything, I complain about TEPEE being the bad version) and I feel like you’re not really reading what my “complaint” actually is today. Love when people disagree w/ me, don’t love when they misrepresent me.—RP
DeleteI 1,000% got Katnak'd.
ReplyDeleteOh how I detest the rebus. If you are like me, and have poor reading vision, and solve online to enlarge the grid so you can see it, the puzzle fills the page, and that means having to scroll to put in every. single. rebus. It's such a pain!
ReplyDeleteVibraphonist. Katnak’d.
ReplyDeleteDisagree with the nitpick re TEEPEE. I think the constructor included "in an anglicized spelling" just to be sure he didn't get attacked for not acknowledging that it's... an anglicized spelling.
ReplyDeleteAside from her repartee, Lady Astor was the first woman elected to the House of Commons, hence "historic."
ReplyDeleteI didn't get the theme as fast as Rex--I could see lots of words that needed a rebus to fit, but was expecting the same letters in each, until I finally got the revealer.
You are correct, upon rereading you complained about “anglicized“ mostly, not the word itself. And anglicized was no help in the clue. I think I was just remembering other comments of yours about “teepee”. So I apologize.
ReplyDelete#katnakd
ReplyDeleteExcellent rebus Thursday - knew the double squares were happening and AHA’ed at DOUBLEDOWN. The other four are real and fun expressions too - UPSTHEANTE, RAISETHESTAKES, BETTHEFARM, GOFORBROKE - any subpar fill can be forgiven in accomplishing the five great sets of doubles.
ReplyDeleteVery enjoyable (though in my arrested development, still hope for the day when ___ Lingus will be something more cunning!)
Hey All !
ReplyDeleteThis "critter" liked it. 😁 @pablo -- ✓ Har.
Neat concept. I made (well, never completed) a puz similar to this, but I just couldn't get crossers to play nicely, so it was on my "finish eventually" list. Now, I don't have to! This puz is already out, so mine is moot.
Figured out the trick basically at the center Themers, thinking it had to be SCHEME, and ISONTO wanted to work, too. Got down to the Revealer, again thinking ESTADO had to be correct, and saying, "Could it possibly be DOUBLEDOWN all in Rebipodes?" And BY GUM, that's what it was.
Having had two Doubles in that center Themer already in, I at first thought there would only be two Rebus squares, ala "double", in each Themer, but quickly found out All the squares in the italicized Downs were Reboded. Neat that a bunch of gambling/risk it all phrases have an even amount of letters.
So a fun puz, I'm sure there will be those who loathe this, but I thought it was neat. So, 😛.
Two F's
RooMonster
DarrinV
that was awful.
ReplyDeleteToday I learned that “IN AT the kill” is an idiomatic phrase.
ReplyDeleteI knew something was up when VIGODA wouldn't fit, but where did the rebus go? I started with VI in one square and thought we might be doing something with Roman numerals. Uh, no. Down to ESTADO which had to be right, started putting two letters in the final square and what to my wondering eyes should appear but DOUBLEDOWN. Major Aha! and had a fine old time going back and filling in the themers. I printed the puzzle out as usual so no italics but went back and found which clues were italicized, which was a big help, since I hadn't read through the clues to identify the ones which were similar.
ReplyDeleteNo real problems, VIBISTS is new and major face palm when MRS Claus finally dawned on me.
Yeah, ROO, I saw the ROO. Pretty common by now.
I really really enjoyed this one, CE. Completely Engrossing and thanks for all the fun.
Hand up for no italics. Second such puzzle in a couple of weeks. My first themer was the revealer, as a lot of the clues were opaque at first. But as soon as I realized it was a gambling theme I quickly found which other clues were gambling related.
ReplyDeleteI’ve actually been to Karnak, although my initial tentative answer was luxor (it was the right length). Come to think of it, I’ve also been to Natick.
I never try to figure out what is going on with a Thursday puzzle. This approach may be fairly described as 'rock-headed' solving. If you insist on doing things that way, it will make the solving experience more time-consuming and difficult. But, that's how I do it and I'm sticking with it. But, I'm not stubborn, I swear.
ReplyDeleteShouldn’t the clue read “Musicians WHO play with mallets?”
ReplyDeleteOh thank goodness! A nice straightforward Thursday rebus. No answers hidden in black squares and no upside down rabbits coming out of imaginary hats. It was kind of a slog to start with but once the fog cleared and the trick was revealed, it TURNED into more fun than a good BOOK. Thanks Colin. I really enjoyed your puzzle and loved the classy clean elegance of the theme.
ReplyDelete@Lobster11 (07:21) You might try printing the newspaper version. That worked for me anyway. You may have to adjust your printer settings to fit the page but sometimes it will solve the problem of missing features.
Rarely do I see a puzzle that has impressive construction that is also fun to solve. Sure, okay, doing all the double letters got a bit sloggy, but this was both a pleasurable solving experience and a terrific piece of construction. Very nice!
ReplyDeleteNo italics can AcrossLite but no big deal.
I resisted, but BARBIE is really worth seeing!
I figured out the trick at GOFORBROKE, but then quit the puzzle rather than cope with all the extra fill. Just not worth it to me.
ReplyDeleteGorgeous! A joy to solve! I'm struck at how it manages to be both clever and challenging, while playing completely fair at the same time. If it hadn't played so fair, the puzzle might have ended up producing more frustration than delight, but the DOUBLE DOWN answers are phrases that are so entirely in the language that as soon as you start to write them in, two letters at a time, they practically light up in neon.
ReplyDeleteThe hardest answer for me was VIBISTS which I've never heard of. I had to trust that my puzzle-produced "knowledge" of Abe VIGODA was correctly remembered -- never a slam-dunk when you don't know who on earth the guy is. The V turns out to be right, so I'm a happy camper.
This is a real beauty, Colin -- the kind of Thursday I'm always salivating for. I'll definitely be keeping my eye out for future puzzles from you.
Johnny Carson used to do this not where he would guess what was inside of an envelope and called himself The Great Carnak. So that’s how I learned that word.
ReplyDeleteThank you for thinking I’m too smart to get Katnak’d but I did, alas
ReplyDeleteOnly got KATNAK-ed for a minute, but I do have my own tiny peeve with this bit of XWord-ese. I did my PhD at Harvard, where for whatever reason they use the term Fellows, not Assistants. for this office, I guess as a way of distinguishing it as a function of being in the university vs. getting paid as freelance labor, like a temp worker. Or just pure "Hahvahd has to be different" snootiness. Anyway, we were TFs, not TAs. Which is likely never going to show up in a crossword, but it still kinda sets off this tiny little Wrong! buzzer.*
ReplyDeleteAnyway, fun puzzle. I too picked up early on that a rebus was going to be involved but had to bounce around looking for gimme's to figure out what it actually was. In the process I stumbled across the revealer, and that raises the question of why some people (including our host) regard it as cheating to scan for the revealer when you know you're dealing with a trick crossword. I mean, it is in the puzzle--it's not like Googling an obscure PPP, which I count as a Fail in my own private score keeping. Kinda like sometimes I just decide to start in the SE corner just for variety, and b/c that's often proximate to where a revealer (if any) lives. There's no rule saying you have to start in the NW, is there?
*Kinda like how née is almost never clued by what the word actually means, which I totally get but it still has that little irritant effect.
Carnac the Magnificent was a regular Johnny Carson bit that could be clever and showed off his good comic relationship with Ed McMahon. Carnac was a swami who could devine the answers to questions before seeing the questions. I like slapstick, so I enjoyed seeing Carnac trip over the step on his way to his seat.
ReplyDeleteSome of my favorites of that ilk were:
ANS: Washington Irving
QUES: Who was our first President, Max?
ANS: 9-W
QUES: Do you spell you name with a "V," Herr Wagner? (Wagner was pronounced Vagner.)
ANS: Super Bowl
QUES: What would you call a toilet that can see through walls.
Printed version had no italics. Thought I would try to solve without them but couldn’t figure it out, although it was clearly a rebus from very early. Could see the italics on the screen so I was eventually able to complete it. Very clever and enjoyable. If the constructor had used asterisks this wouldn’t have been a problem.
ReplyDeleteFantastic puzzle - tricky enough to suss but well filled and slick. Got it at ANNEALED - agree with Rex that the DOUBLEs helped the solve moving forward after that.
ReplyDeleteCrosses were fair enough to back into AEOLUS, BARBIE and ASTOR. Crossword friend ENOS shows up - side eye to the gluey DAK, CEN and RAS.
Enjoyable Thursday morning solve.
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I knew Karnak because I watched the movie Luxor a couple of days ago. Didn't get it instantly because it's the sort of movie you doze through; every time you wake up nothing has happened and you're someplace pretty, so it's alright.
ReplyDeleteI don't think prune has a LONG U the way I pronounce it, but I don't remember what you call the 'oo' sound. And it might be that properly-bred people insert a little 'y' sound before the 'oo', the way they do in 'tune', which we boors pronounce 'toon'.
Hand up. "D'oh, I got KATNAK'd!"
ReplyDeleteAmused by tipi, tepee, teepee as one is perhaps less-wrong, and it's the least common. Poor wordophiles and our jumping up to defend the weakness of transliteration when nobody asked in the first place.
One letter yet again. Third time this week. A week when I am VIBING with wheelhouse solves up until the last letter. Thankfully this TA/RA tragedy wasn't part of the theme, so its not my fault the Egyptians named that place wrong.
Loved this puzzle. It's been a good week.
I ended up solving the revealer first and it helped solve everything else. New things I learned: OLGA, AEOLUS and the highly dubious possibility that VIBIST is a thing.
Uniclues:
1 "I say dear ones, it's simply uncinematic to enjoy popular films."
2 Shoe company sponsored native home competition.
3 Sign for restaurant with Tut's Tater Tots.
4 Gathering of literate Irish.
5 A good place to avoid.
6 That which precedes topless sunbathing.
1 CLUED BARBIE HERD (~)
2 KED'S TEEPEE RACES
3 EAT AT KARNAK (~)
4 SETTERS BOOK CLUB
5 "IN HERE" TROLL HOLE
6 GO FOR BROKE UNLATCHES
My Fascinating Crossword Uniclue Keepsake from Last Year: A number 2 pencil. MAGIC TWO-D AIDE.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
More Carnac (paraphrased, it’s been 40-50 years since I heard these remarkably memorable jokes)
ReplyDeleteA: Someday my prince will come.
Q. What does the guy at One Hour Photo keep promising?
A: Natalie Wood.
Q. What comes to mind when Sheila won’t?
Italics disappear when puzzle is printed.
ReplyDeleteI subscribe to NYT because they're usually pretty light on the proper nouns, which inevitably turn a fun wordplay puzzle into just a trivia contest, and prevent you from getting words using cross-clues.
ReplyDeleteThis was hardly the worst they've ever published on that front, but it was pretty heavy on them. Combine that with a few other obscure words, and just ugh. Was lucky to just happen to know a decent chunk of them, but still not happy about it.
Which is a shame, because I thought the theme was kind of cute, even if it was a bit too trivial once you got it.
Challenge for @Lewis: What NYTXW had the most individual rebussed squares? This seems like a candidate, but I may be forgetting many that were even better rebus-endowed.
ReplyDeleteWhy are NUCLEI like The Addams Family? They both contain a discombobulated uncle.
COSMO crossing RACES brings to mind the way Kramer would always enter Jerry's apartment.
What did they call that former-medical-practitioner-turned-terrorist who made hidden roadside bombs in Iraq? Oh yeah, DRIED.
I wish there hadn't been italics, but nonetheless I loved the puzzle. Thanks, Colin Ernst.
I like rebuses and enjoyed this one. Took me awhile to get it but I knew right away that there was a rebus, just not where. Abe VIGODA was a gimme for me, although since he’s a bit olden and his name didn’t seem to fit, I thought there might be another Abe out in TVland or filmdom. BARBIE also a gimme but, the rebus, so I had to puzzle it out, which was fun.
ReplyDeleteI was not KAtNAKed because I figured the down had to be either tAS or RAS, and although KARNAK isn’t very familiar, I had heard of it. My problem was in the SE with OLGA (a somewhat obscure brand I think) and the god of wind 🙄
I thought TEEPEE was an added flourish. I loved it when I figured it out, having had TEPEE in there right from the beginning. It was a big early aha moment. And I had a great time trying to fill in the remaining themers with as few crosses as possible. Super fun puzzle!
ReplyDeleteI pretty much feel the same way as @Nancy about this puzzle and would like to thank Colin for the great fun.
ReplyDeleteAm I the ONLY one who had a hard time with the idea that “Ditch assistance” meant GOITALONE? I mean, I guess once you are “ditched” then you are “going it alone” but since no one has mentioned this I feel I’m missing something. Like WHO is assisting? Bottom line, I was stuck at the two intersections of EATAT with E_TA_ and spent most of my time figuring out that AEOLUS must be the wind god and that GOITALONE just HAD to be right! Feel free to spoon feed me something even if it results in me feeling extremely dense. Strange how I could figure out the rebus and theme concept and be stuck on THAT.
If you are being given assistance, but then ditch it, you will have to go it alone. Or, to ditch assistance is to go it alone.
DeleteMedium even though took me longer than average because entering rebodes ate up precious nanoseconds. No WOEs (I knew KARNAK) and no erasures except for getting the rebus squares sorted out. Fun solve, liked it.
ReplyDelete@beezer – "ditch" in this case is a verb meaning to refuse or to do without. If you are ditching assistance you are doing something by yourself.
ReplyDeleteDidn't like that clue at all. To sailors ditch assistance has a whole other meaning & evokes a completely different vocabulary
DeleteBest Carnacs for me:
ReplyDeleteANSWER..."Nelson Eddy."
QUESTION..."How would you look up Eddy Nelson in the phone book?"
ANSWER..."Eisenhower, Kennedy, and Johnson."
QUESTION..."Name two presidents and a floor wax."
ANSWER..."UCLA."
QUESTION..."What's the first thing you see on a flight from San Diego to San Francisco?"
Nice one! My first word of the day would be DENSE, as I paced through the clues with "Doesn't fit, doesn't fit..." but not seeing how a rebus would work. Only when I got to BOOKCL did I see the light; then, as @Rex said, the dam burst (sorry about mixed metaphors) and the theme answers came in a flood. Fun to fill in! I also liked the nods to the Ancient World with HERMES, DORIC, AEOLUS, and KARNAK and the association of RACES with STAKES.
ReplyDeleteNot being fond of rebus puzzles in the first place, although I "got it" I didn't like it.
ReplyDeleteMy favorite Carnac the Magnificent memory:
ReplyDeleteANS: SIS-BOOM-BAH
QUES: Describe the sound made when a sheep explodes.
Thank you everyone for the Carnac memories!
ReplyDeleteAfter yesterday's rabbit trick, just had to share this even more incredible feat of geographical prestidigitation from today's NYT:
ReplyDeleteThe stakes are especially clear in New York, where Mr. Lawler and five fellow Republicans almost single-handedly helped deliver their party’s narrow House majority by flipping suburban districts from Long Island to the Hudson Valley.
@Beezer. If you have "ditched" those who were providing assistance, you're going it alone.
The rare 15x15 80-worder puz. Fun one, tho.
ReplyDeleteSorta caught onto the theme mcgufffin at {Pyramid ___}. Definitely smelled rebus meat, at that point.
@RP: M&A got CARNACed, at first.
VIBISTS? [debut word, btw]
staff weeject pick: ERE. luved its ?-marker clue.
other likable stuff: LONGU. TURNEDRED. GOITALONE (sorta like the non-theme Down answers, rebus-wise). AEOLUS.
but … VIBISTS?
Thanx for the ffuunn, Mr. Ernst dude. Good job.
Masked & Anonymo5Us
**gruntz**
THANKS @Joe Dipinto! Yikes. I’d like to blame this brain glitch on the meds I’m taking for an abscess (pre-root canal) but I’ve been off the pain meds for over 24 hours! It is now so dang obvious. I just KNEW I was missing something. Possibly one tiny brain cell not firing.
ReplyDelete@East Coaster: According to an interview McMahon gave years later, the SIS-BOOM-BAH answer was his and Carson's favorite. Carson tipped McMahon off that an unusually good one was in the deck that day and McMahon could tell from Carson's expression that is was the next one. When it hit them, they couldn't control themselves for over a minute. They were paralyzed with laughter. It was the question that got the largest number of letters from fans, and was the only time Carson ever tipped McMahon off about anything that was coming on the show.
ReplyDeleteWould have been helpful if the “italicized” clues had actually been italicized.
ReplyDeleteI enjoyed the puzzle on the whole, but I did get KATNAK'd! And am a little sour about it, since I object to the cross clue: RAS are usually (or, at least, very often) students, so "Univ. staffers" doesn't really feel right.
ReplyDelete41D wasn't hard, though again the clue irked me slightly. ERE as an adverb is exceedingly rare even in poetic style, and "How English poets wrote before?" would have done just fine.
I'm on a University tenure promotion committee. Did your University count this as academic work?
ReplyDeleteI'm not too smart in the least - I definitely got KAtNAK'd today. I really liked the clue for ERE. I don't usually print the NYT version of the puzzle so I didn't get any italicized clues. Rex is right that that made it a much harder puzzle - I assumed symmetry was going to fall on the edges of the grid so I was trying to double down at 52D and 13D - being the sports ignoramus that I am, 52D could have been anything.
ReplyDeleteSo I finally went back to the NYT puzzle page and looked at their on-line version and circled where the italics belonged - should have noticed there were a number of betting clues that could have alerted me as well as italics did but, oh well.
I got the doubling down aspect while I was still hanging around the NW, which was fun. And I learned about VIBISTS.
Thanks, Colin Ernst!
Really enjoyed this one.
ReplyDeleteOn TEEPEE, I mean, isn't every spelling in English an "anglicized" spelling, including "tipi"? It's not like the Sioux used an English alphabet to write words - before Europeans arrived, there was no written form of the Sioux language at all.
Across Lite had the theme clues in quotation marks rather than italics. However, there were several non-theme clues also in quotes, so I wasn't sure what was what. I tried to make 13 and 52 down into theme answers and that reaaaaly slowed down my solve.
ReplyDeleteI vaguely recall another DOUBLE DOWN theme but not what it involved.
Note: TIPI is not accepted in Spelling Bee. When I first realized this, ages ago, I complained about it but got no response.
[Wed -2; missed these.]
Once again I disagree with Rex. The puzzle was more fun because I did not have the italicized clues. I had no idea where I should be looking for the rebus. Therefore the puzzle was much more interesting and I really enjoyed it.
ReplyDeleteI didn't have time to find the puzzle dull. I raced through it, while TSKing at VIBISTS, NILLA and MRS.
ReplyDeleteWhere to begin...where to end....It's Thursday. I felt like I might have to decipher some sort of enigma code. Alan Turing, where are you when I need you the most? Under the covers.
ReplyDeleteI almost threw in the towel. I'm glad I didn't. When VIGODA appeared, I knew rebus was around the corner. But how do I do this..
I started late last night and became frustrated because I just wasn't seeing it. I knew it was staring at me in some dark shadows. Damn...I need to unlock this door.
I did. Again, it was VIGODA who would risk it all.
Squeal of delight.
Look for the other italic clues. See how this unfolds.
Another squeal of delight.
I dried the floor with the towel and patted myself dry. This was clever, clever, clever, clever. And all in a beautiful order. How smart.
I cheated on ISIAH and VIBISTS. VIBISTS should go sit with ILLER. I didn't care.
Bottom line? Thank goodness for the italics. If they hadn't been in my printed version, I would not have enjoyed this at all. What I did was circle each of them; this gave me a head start which I needed. This is also what made me want to continue. I did.
A fantastic puzzle, Colin. Very smart and, I'll add another clever.
Katnak here.
ReplyDeleteI'm also from KATNAKdu (LONGU).
ReplyDeleteThe Vez - I believe Rex was saying he wished he didn't have the italics
Mack - Vibes are short for Vibraphones, so a VIBIST plays the vibes. Hardly anyone uses the full term in my experience.
Due to the lack of happy music, I was debating between TA/RA and VIGODA, VaGODA, VoGODA, VuGODA, VeGODA - any could work since it is pronounced with a schwa.
Oh, I am well aware. I was a vibraphonist some years ago, and "VIBIST" definitely was never used by anyone. I've never even seen the word before now. So if it is a thing, it must be some modern pretentious slang used by Spotify indie bands or something.
DeleteI'm sure it's just evolving language, but if I had called myself a vibist back then, I would have been laughed at and mocked by my colleagues, and rightly so. But if that's what kids want to call themselves these days, whatever. Go for it, I guess. My generation doesn't get to make up the hip phrases anymore, so I just grumpily get pulled along in the wake of gibberish. 😠👴😋
It amazes me the lengths some people will go to blame the youths. You’re making up a scenario out of nowhere here.
DeleteI knew I could trust Rex to provide some Milt Jackson today, though I doubt anyone ever called him a VIBIST. Bags played the VIBEs, but he was a VIBRaphonist. My playlist for my 1:30 - 5:00AM being awake and despairing of ever falling asleep again, ever, is down to two albums - MJQ's final concert, and a string quartet playing BACH's preludes & fugues. Each is endlessly interesting.
ReplyDeleteEchoing Stuart and Ben the printed version had no italics. Would have been easier because once I got doubled down I still had to figure out which down clues.
ReplyDeleteI can handle a long u in the center of prune, but not the center of A prune. prune can be a word but a prune is definitely an object.
ReplyDelete@egs -- The record is -- ready for this? -- 79! It was published on 10/15/15, and is by Kevin Der. Today's 27 is in fourth place. (I got this from XwordInfo's rebus page...)
ReplyDeleteAuthors are out of control. As always, it's never ever the rebus letters that get me, it's the naticks (or just obscure words they had to google hoping it was a word) they have use to make their conceits fit.
ReplyDeleteAn inordinate amount of gambling triggers (alcohol too) appear in the NYTxw. Today just DOUBLED DOWN
ReplyDeleteKAtNAK-ed. As a former rA I will say that TA felt better for this clue. Blah.
ReplyDelete@Lewis 2:53 pm. Thanks for the research. When I went back and found that puzzle, I was surprised to see that I had solved it, but slightly ego-deflated to see that it took me 1:00:30! Quite a puzzle by Kevin G. Der. It was one of six puzzles published that week in response to a query by WS to some of his favorite constructors. The question was, "What would you like to do in a daily Times crossword that has ever been done before?"
ReplyDeleteThe word tipi comes into English from the Lakota language. The word originates from the Lakota word “thípi,” which is said to mean; “they dwell.”
ReplyDeleteThe question from WS in my 4:38 post was supposed to be, "What would you like to do in a Times daily puzzle that has never been done before?".
ReplyDeleteCarnakians:
ReplyDeleteAns: Women and children first.
Ques: How do you line up a safari?
Ans: From the rock-bound coast of Maine.
Ques: Where the hell did all these rocks come from?
If one is to gussy up a xword puzzle by using a Latin word for the simple device of putting multiple letters in single grid squares, the correct word would be litteris, meaning with or by ways of letters. The choice of rebus for that is a misuse of Latin. It means with or by way of things.
If we are going to continue this error, we could at least use the asterisk as is done in, say, sports to indicate that a statistic is different in some significant way from all the other statistics of that kind. For instance, the stat might be from a strike shortened year or from a Covid season.
So this was a rebus* puzzle because in every other context (Latin dictionary, games, linguistics, e.g.) rebus means something completely different. More on this ongoing controversy at The Rebus Principle.
I didn't have any italics at all. Ended up solving from southeast up, which meant I got the revealer first. Which helped. and not having italics made it sorta fun to find which downs had the doubles.
ReplyDeleteRead as far as @wanderlust and thought “me too.” Well, I never made it to Egypt, but the rest of that 7:15 posting was spot on as was Rex’s write up and Colin’s puzzle! Thursday is usually my favorite day, and today was just outstanding. Now back to see the century of what I assume will be accolades in later postings.
ReplyDeleteGlad I came back to the blog tonight -- otherwise I would have missed all those wonderful old Carnac jokes. But in a way, it's depressing too: it lets me know just how much better other people's memories are than mine. It truly boggles my mind: How on earth can anyone possibly remember those tiny, tiny bits from, what?, 50 years ago?
ReplyDeleteThey were all quite funny -- my faves being the Nelson Eddy one and the Johnson Wax one.
+1 for the KATNAK
ReplyDeleteThis is the worst solving experience I've ever had. Shame on the editors for running it.
ReplyDeleteHarder indeed: printed out, no italics. You just had to find all the doubles. Definitely challenging, but worked it out.
ReplyDeleteAnswer:4
ReplyDeleteQuestion: ominyngrits
I was KATNAK’d.
ReplyDeleteDidn’t know Abe VIGODA, spelled CITROEN wrong, and didn’t expect a current movie in the puzzle, so the NE corner stumped me. And I will argue that VIBISTS is not a word.
BUT … I had a really good time with the rest of the puzzle. It was a good challenge and I enjoyed the clues.
This is a Thursday I can love - at last. I struggled. In fact I felt a bit like The Big Bad Wolf as I huffed and puffed and was blowing through so many of the answers except the places where I was pretty sure what the answer was but could not make it fit with the acrosses. That’s where I was in the NW. I was sure about UP TO, STUN, HERD and TEEPEE (but spelled the other way we see it in crosswords - TEPEEE. Even thinking there must be a rebusy thing in there somewhere, I didn’t feel confident filling in any form of the NW words so I moved on. When I hit DIETS, I knew for sure we were doing a partial word rebus with only 2 letters of the rebus word. But I still didn’t get that the truck.
ReplyDeleteWhen I hit BET THE FARM I was certain if that answer so was confident filling it in all the way down. And the Big Bad Wolf prevails.
I thought this theme was excellent just the way it is. The reveal says it all. Ties the theme together. TaDA!! Clean and tidy. And oh so Thursday.
Now for my nit, and it really is a nit. During my professional musician life I was a flutist (rarely and only in jest did I say “flautist” I just thought it was unnecessarily haughty) and a singer. In that life I have known many, many professional musicians who played percussion instruments including the keyboards or mallets, as percussionists call the entire group of instruments like xylophone, bells, chimes, marimba, and vibraphone (or vibes). I was married to a percussionist for 40 years. Never, ever, even from a percussionist who played predominantly keyboards have I heard these musicians call themselves or each other a marimbist, xylophonist or vibist. Just. Not. Done. Even if the musician didn’t use “percussionist,” the self reference might instead be “I mostly play keyboards/mallets,” or “tonight I’m just on vivbes,” or “in this group I’m the mallet guy.”
Sure, writers sometimes describe a musician, especially one of the greats like Red Nor or Lionel Hampton or Gary Burton, as a vibrophonist but I don’t recall ever seeing “vibist.” I have met Lionel Hampton and entertained and jammed with Gary Burton in my home. As the hour got late, (and the adult beverages were flowing) Gary started making flautist jokes, the worst being “If you lay an egg in (the very famous) flute solo at the opening of the Ent’racte to “Carmen” would you call that “flautulence?” The musician name calling continued with the many very x-rated cracks about mallets and “vibes.” I remember Gary being as touchy at the term “vibrophonist” or “vibist.” The nit bothered me - obviously a lot. It felt disrespectful. So, if I am over the top, please forgive me.
I really enjoyed this puzzle. It was a delightful Thursday gift of creativity and cleverness.
Long u is pronounced as “you” as in cute. Not as “ooh” Asian prune.
ReplyDeleteI liked the puzzle, but I thought it odd that there were two pairs of clues for the theme answers (except for an additional [S]). It seems like there should have been four completely different clues, or just one more general clue that fit them all. Apparently I was the only one that found this off-putting.
ReplyDeleteI print the puzzles off the internet. None of the themed answers were italicized. It did make the puzzle more challenging. Still a medium for me once I figured out the trick.
ReplyDeleteFun rebus puzzle. One of the best puzzles of the year, I’d say.
ReplyDeleteNever herd of VIBISTS and "IN AT the kill" doesn't really resonate with me so that corner was tough and I seriously considered HERBIE for the feminist film.
Two short rants:
ReplyDelete--> We have been stuck on Friday the 13th for TWO WEEKS now. Don'tcha think we could use a syndilinker? It's really getting tiresome.
--> Two days in a row now for italicized clues. I say AGAIN: MY PAPER DOES NOT ITALICIZE!!! Guys, all you have to do is STAR your clues instead. Is that too much to ask?
Sorry to DOUBLE DOWN on the complaints, but jeez. This one played hard for me, because of rant #2. I got going in the SW with gimme ISIAH, and looking at the volleyballers, kept coming up one square short. SERVERS, SETTERS, SPIKERS--all require seven squares with only six available. Yep, the clue is definitely plural: "players."
But aha, it's Rebus Thursday. IDBE a fool not to notice. So that breakthrough helped the solve a lot. Still, in the NW, it took work to crack that, mostly because of the way it's CLUED.
The whole deal is remarkable for theme tightness, as DENSE as it is. Have to give constructor props. Birdie.
Wordle birdie.
P.S. Happy Thanksgiving all!
ReplyDeleteFirst - what "italicized clues"?
ReplyDeleteSecond - took one look at the multiple rebi.
Third - this is not a crossword puzzle.
Lady Di
PS - Hope the rest of your T-day is much, much better!!!
Great puzzle! Didn't have the italics, so that made it more difficult(more fun in my book). Symmetrical themers eased the difficulty a bit. Has this puzzle conceit been done before? An all stacked multiletteral theme puzzle. I grokked immediately what the 23A clue was going for, since I've only seen alternate spellings for teepee in xword puzzles. And as somebody mentioned, they are all transliterations, since the original language did not have a written alphabet.
ReplyDeleteI found it pretty hard for a Thursday. It took a long time to decypher the gimmick but what a great Aha! moment when I did. This is one of the finest puzzles in ages.
ReplyDeleteDOUBLE DOWN
ReplyDeleteWill Uncle ENOS RAISTHESTAKES?
His MRS. TURNEDRED, "Why CAN'T he?"
"He'll GOFORBROKE AS LONG AS IT takes,
AND then he'll GO UP THEANTE."
--- BARBIE VIGODA
The St. Paul paper had no italics so I went to the Mpls paper and found them. Made the solve easier. Much. Still got KAtNAK'd for a moment - TAS are univ. staffers more than RAS (dorm figures), IMO.
ReplyDeleteWordle par.
Lotsa love for this puzzle - very enjoyable solve. And kudos to my local newspaper (Montreal Gazette) for apparently being one of the few to print the clues in italics.
ReplyDeleteI'd have been KARNAKed if I'd had the first K, which I didn't have because I didn't have the territorial D - I was roaming around in a territory a lot farther south, and I didn't know REID. Thanks to @Anonymous 9:56 AM for bringing up Johnny Carson's Carnak the magnificent. Every time I looked at _A_NAK, I thought of Johnny Carson, went back to look at the clue and then told myself that was totally unrelated. When I gave up, I had put in the T but not the first letter.
ReplyDeleteI enjoyed reading all the Carnak quotes. Fun comments today, and I had fun puzzling out the puzzle, which really was more of a puzzle than a trivia contest.
I kept wanting to put in "all in" - thanks to @Louis for pointing out that NILLA was holding it.
I was surprised to see that @spacecraft's syndi puzzle did not have italics, while my Vancouver Sun did, but I'm reading the puzzle online - I suppose that could make a difference.