Relative difficulty: Medium
Word of the Day: COLORLESS / GREEN / IDEAS / SLEEP / FURIOUSLY —
Colorless green ideas sleep furiously was composed by Noam Chomsky in his 1957 book Syntactic Structures as an example of a sentence that is grammatically well-formed, but semantically nonsensical. The sentence was originally used in his 1955 thesis The Logical Structure of Linguistic Theory and in his 1956 paper "Three Models for the Description of Language". There is no obvious understandable meaning that can be derived from it, which demonstrates the distinction between syntax and semantics, and the idea that a syntactically well-formed sentence is not guaranteed to be semantically well-formed as well. As an example of a category mistake, it was used to show the inadequacy of certain probabilistic models of grammar, and the need for more structured models. (wikipedia)
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[still from the "Simpsons" episode, "I Am Furious (Yellow)"] |
This started out hard for me, as the clue on COLORLESS was no help at all (17A: Like helium and carbon dioxide). Lots of things are COLORLESS. I never think of helium as COLORLESS. I think of it as atomic number 2, making balloons rise and your voice go funny when you inhale it (kids: don't). So I needed most of the crosses there. Plus BABU, no idea (5A: Hindu Mr.). If I've seen it, it's been forever. Some PLOTTERS are up to good, I'm quite sure, so that clue was tough too (4D: They're up to no good). But once I got out of the NW, as is fairly typical, things smoothed out and got a lot easier. Seems quite bad to have both UCSF and SFO in the same grid. A horrible, obvious duplication that should've been excised. I had the -O but was extremely reluctant to write in SFO precisely because I already had UCSF in the grid. Boo to that pair, for sure. But the only thing that truly slowed me down, after the NW, was that illegible mess of a clue on FURIOUSLY. Even there, the crosses were kind, so the time spent spinning my wheels was negligible.
OLDS remains obnoxious and (by now) dated when clued this way (69A: Parents, to kids). Sharon OLDS is a fantastic poet, try her sometime maybe. I mean, she doesn't have a FINSTA (probably), but she's still worth knowing. Speaking of FINSTA, oof (46A: Second social media account for posting private jokes and such, informally). I was wondering when that term was gonna come along. I was wondering that back in like 2015 ... and then time passed ... and FINSTA didn't show up, and the term itself started feeling bygone ... and at *that* moment, the NYTXW thought "Yes, *now* is the time to pounce!" Very on-brand. Anyway, if you are Gen-Z or are lucky enough to have a kid who is, then FINSTA is a known quantity to you, and if not, possibly not. Pretty sure it's a portmanteau of "fake insta(gram account)" ... yes, that is correct. And it's a debut answer. I'm certain that other crosswords, particularly indie crosswords, have used it by now, but it's new to the Times, today. And it probably deserves some novelty credit. I also think it plays nicely off of TIMESUCK (41D: Doomscrolling, e.g.).
Anything else need explaining? OOO = "Out of Office" (2D: On vacation, in work calendar shorthand). An NDA is a non-disclosure agreement (the term has now appeared in the NYTXW four times, all in the last two years) (33A: Secrecy-enforcing contract, for short). OMG I almost forgot about steamed HAMS! LOL that is the deepest "Simpsons" cut I've ever seen in a crossword (39A: "Steamed ___," classic "Simpsons" sketch). And the clue does not help you at all. I couldn't begin to explain the "sketch." So much going on: the classically awkward and semi-erotic dom-sub relationship of Superintendent Chalmers and Principal Skinner; the extreme upstate-NY specificity of the cuisine in question; the near house fire. It's epic. And again, it's so deep in "Simpsons" lore that I don't know how anyone outside of regular viewers of the show from the '90s could have any idea what the clue was trying to get at. There's probably a linguistics joke here, but my colorless green ideas are sleeping furiously right now, so I don't know what it is. Anyway, here's the "sketch" (which has its own title cards and theme song!!!): "Skinner & the Superintendent":
That's all. Have a nice day. It's my 20th wedding anniversary, so I'm gonna spend much of the day with the love of my life wondering how I got so lucky. Just like every day. Truly great experience, five stars, would recommend. Take care.
As for Steamed Hams, it is absolutely HUGE in online discourse. An incredible amount of memes, remixes, and cuts are out there. At this point it is probably one of the better known Simpsons references with the younger demographic, and with many older viewers too. Search for it on YouTube, and you'll be mildly entertained for an entire afternoon.
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ReplyDeleteCongratulations on your Anniversary, @Rex!!
I ignored the theme clues and enjoyed the solve as a themeless. Some small trouble in the North because BABU was unknown to me and I can never spell BOLEYN correctly on the first (or second) attempt. A small issue in the SE due to wee before LIL at 63D and YAk before YAP at 64D. Wasn't familiar with Steamed HAMS (39A), but once it became inevitable so did Mr. Chomsky.
I’m gonna have to check if my daughter’s Binghamton Linguistics degree makes this puzzle more interesting to her than it was for me.
ReplyDeleteHappy Anniversary Rex!
never even thought of the theme. I solved FURIOUSLY just like Rex, I kind of backed into it. There was NO joy to this puzzle at all. FINSTA? never have I ever. Didnt know BABU
ReplyDeleteOh gosh what a dud. They couldn’t come up with a theme - so they just threw together this ? Add in some PPP crosses like BABU x BOYLEN, maybe a Mr. or Mrs. TITO Vodka, a revealer that looks like the first chapter of War and Peace . . . and this one lands clearly in TIME SUCK territory.
ReplyDeleteOn a positive note - I give them some measure of credit - if you are going to embrace the concept of nonsense and gibberish in your crossword puzzles as enthusiastically as the NY Times does, you may as well have the courage of your convictions and showcase it front and center (and actually make it the star of the show occasionally, as they did today). It does seem boring and amateurish to me, but we all know that for taste there is no argument.
I loved the theme but I am a linguistics freak.
ReplyDeleteYes, same here. I saw the revealer and immediately got it and all the related words, with almost no crosses
DeleteIs it really a big revelation that a sentence can be grammatically correct but make no sense? “Frog glands traverse pleated muffins” there I’m as clever as Noam Chomsky
ReplyDeleteWhat’s the point of this comment? Chomsky’s Syntactic Structures indelibly changed the field of linguistics. The realization that there’s an abstract structural component to natural language led to the development of formal language theory, and context-free grammars set the stage for the creation of pretty much every high-level computer programming language.
DeleteChomsky is a joke and programming languages would have been developed regardless. The field of Cognitive Linguistics refutes many of his theories.
DeleteActually, your example (unlike Chomsky’s) has semantic content.
DeleteSolved themeless - finished it quickly and will move on. Rough week so far.
ReplyDeleteMakes no SENSE at all
Count me as one of those linguistics majors who got a slight thrill from seeing the quote ¯\_(ใ)_/¯
ReplyDeleteWould have preferred 5a to be “Steamed ___”, angry restauranteur of Seinfeld.
ReplyDeleteBabu & His Very Very Bad Cafe
(Somehow, even seeing the Steamed Hams clip didn’t jog my usually sharp Simpsons memory.)
Had SjO/jINSTA, then remembered that San Jose airport is in Costa Rica. Anyone remember the pre-Gomez “I’m Dickens, He’s Fenster” sitcom from ‘60s? Thought of that with FINSTA (my 9th grade English teacher was right when he attached the note on my report card, “If Andy studied Shakespeare as much as he does TV Guide, he’d be a Rhodes Scholar!”)
Congrats on your dual anniversaries this week!
Steamed Hams became a huge meme for some reason yells few years back. I’m guessing there are kids who don’t watch the Simpsons but still know that reference.
ReplyDeleteThis played like a themeless to me. Aside from the revealer I didn’t mind it. I couldn’t read the revealer well on my phone and have never heard of this “famous sentence”. From 70 years ago. I mostly know Chomsky from his political work.
Didn’t mind it though. Just caused confusion when the app kept highlighting the theme answers.
Had a slow start like OFL as I wanted PBS, which went nowhere, and thought about ODORLESS, which was likewise no help, but got that straightened out and went all the way down the west coast with no problem. I did know NOAMCHOMSKY, but outside of our own LMS could not name another linguist if I had to.
ReplyDeleteOOO has finally sunk in, NOIDEA before NOCLUE, learned that " are eyes in texting (not a texter), discovered FINSTA (??) and found an alternate spelling for a Linus nickname, the "sweet baboo" of Peanuts fame.
Played as a themeless, which I suppose is fitting, and I'm with OFL on disliking the convoluted cluing for the revealer.
Not sure what to make of this one, SK. Sorta Kooky. Thanks for a sprinkling of fun.
Happy 20th to the Rexes! Hope you have many more!
@Roo-I'm claiming half a point for EMMA. I am now only a bazillion points behind.
No wordplay? No cleverness? Maybe not on the part of the constructor, but the Chomsky quote is brimming with both, and I enjoyed learning about it. It’s kind of wild to me that a professor of English and a crossword blogger would be so goddam grumpy about learning a linguistic concept.
ReplyDeleteMy thought as well. Chomsky’s appearance made me smile.
DeleteCan we have a limit of one Simpsons clue per puzzle please? Or better, one per week? Thanks.
ReplyDelete@Eater of Sole 7:56 – at this point one per year would be plenty.
DeleteGot everything except Mr. Chomsky's first name. I had "Noah" instead of NOAM.
ReplyDeleteThe clues for BOWL and SPAR are terrible. You never "throw" a bowling ball. If you tried, you'd probably pull a muscle. And to SPAR is not to "get into it." On the contrary, boxers spar with headgear to avoid injury. Sparring is almost the opposite of getting into it.
BOWL a strike is a reference to the game of cricket - not baseball or bowling.
DeleteSpar is used a lot metaphorically for arguing. (probably used that way more than in boxing references) Sometimes it pays to think beyond definition no. 1 in the dictionary. Didn’t quite understand the other one but the crosses led to bowl.
DeleteMy two biggest takeaways upon completion… One, this puzzle felt so out-of-the-ordinary, out-of-the-box, that I fell in love with it immediately. And two, according to the constructor’s notes, he worked on making this puzzle for “almost a decade”, which fills me with awe – such dedication and persistence!
ReplyDeleteI do love taking peeks into concepts that are esoteric to me – areas that are important worlds to others but just don’t cross my path, and after solving I read the Wikipedia article on Chomsky’s sentence; it was a lovely side trip. I also flashed on the thought that just as the topic of this puzzle may seem esoteric to many, crosswords are just as arcane to so many others!
I had a good time solving the puzzle, as there were several areas of delicious bite to bolster the delicious out-of-box-ness. There were three NYT answer debuts: FINSTA, TIMESUCK, and COLORLESS, and I’m surprised the latter two haven’t shown up before. There was also a rare-in-crosswords five-letter semordilap in SLEEP..
The puzzle felt like a delightful plunge into a foreign country to me, for which I’m very grateful. Congratulations on your NYT puzzle debut, Scott, and thank you so much for all the effort you put into this!
P.S. -- OMG, that Simpson's clip is a hoot!
ReplyDelete@Bob Mills, the BOWL clue refers to the game of cricket, not the game played in alleys.
ReplyDeleteHappy Anniversary RP!
ReplyDeleteMy bride and I have been married for 29 wonderful years -- 35 total, and 29 were wonderful. (For some reason, she never laughs at that joke.)
One of the secrets of our success is we agreed long ago that no matter how stressful our lives became - with work, the kids, everything -- no matter what, we'd go out once a week for a romantic, candlelight dinner. She goes on Tuesdays and I go on Fridays.
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I hope you're treating your wife to some nice upstate steamed hams tonight. Thanks for that clip.
lol!!!!
DeleteCommon or not, words like D'OH and meh are always welcome in a puzzle, but the clueing on HAMS is enough to raise this one into realms of the sublime. Just thinking about "steamed hams" brightens my day like the Aurora Borealis.
ReplyDeleteUnfortunately, it's included in a puzzle that's trying and failing in weird ways to be cool. OLDS is simply clued wrong -- you don't use it to refer to parents; you use it to refer to elderly, out of touch people. My parents are OLDS now, but they weren't when I was a teen.
I was sure FINSTA was actually being mistaken for "alt", but now that I've looked it up, I will admit it is a concept that makes sense. But it's still awkward to see the combination of "see how I understand Zoomer lingo but don't understand how to properly use OLDS."
Is TITO's considered popular? I always thought of it as bottom shelf. I've never seen anyone actually buy or drink it. But then again, it's not my bailiwick.
Finally, while I love Chomsky, the whole thing is rounded off with the intrinsically uncool theme. Just so much "Hello fellow children" energy in this one. Thank goodness for Steamed HAMS.
Enough of my friends order Tito's vodka by name that I keep it around the house even though I think it is mediocre. It really is quite popular and part of its popularity might be due to the fact that some part of the profits go to dog shelters or spaying dogs or rescuing dogs ; something good with dogs. And for those who care, it is made in the good old us of a
DeleteI liked it just fine. I liked the way the themers were arranged in the grid, and puzzling out the odd pairings: colorless and green, sleeping and furiously. So I stared out annoyed at OFL’s rant, partly because as a super novice constructor I use long quotes as practice themes, BUT! Then Rex actually found a perfectly semantically meaningful and hilarious use of Chomsky’s sentence. So brilliant!
ReplyDeleteHappy Anniversary!!!
ReplyDeleteHappy to learn about the Chomsky quote. Maybe a boring theme to some people, but the symmetry of the (7!) theme answers is nice. Enjoyed it overall and learned something.
ReplyDeleteHappy anniversary!
ReplyDeleteAnd I thought I didn’t like Monday’s and Tuesday’s puzzles. Geez, those were Patrick Berryesque compared to this. Can’t remember a week when I’ve had so little fun on Mo-We combined.
ReplyDeleteHated the GENIE clue.
And then there’s FINSTA, which should have put it in the reject pile automatically.
Happy Anniversary, Rex!
ReplyDeleteI thought this would’ve actually been a pretty good themeless, though a bit too easy for Friday. TIMESUCK was my favorite. FINSTA does feel sort of dated, but I still like the word. And, of course, Steamed HAMS is great if you know what it refers to. Thanks for posting the clip.
Happy Anniversary, Rex! Twenty is a biggie indeed. I wish you at least twenty more!
ReplyDeleteVery unsatisfying solve. Instead of "Aha!" it was like "Ok, I guess."
ReplyDeleteThx, Scott; enjoyed the NONSENSICAL challenge! ๐
ReplyDeleteAvg Wednes time (but, felt tougher).
Still trying to grok the 'distinction between syntax and semantics' vis a vis the 'sentence'.
Nevertheless, an excellent adventure! :)
@Rex; Happy 20th anni! ❤️❤️
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Brooke Husic's New Yorker Mon. was med (2 NYT Sat.'s). A fun romp; felt fortunate to go error free. Lots to check in with ChatGPT about, tho. ๐ค
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Peace ๐ ๐บ๐ฆ ~ Compassion ~ Tolerance ~ Kindness, Freudenfreude & a DAP to all ๐ ๐
Tiedoff Asps Went By Lyre. His mother called him Dimples.
ReplyDeleteThere was a point when Chomsky kept coming up on my YouTube feed (why?) and I tried to listen, which might've helped here, but alas couldn't stick with it. Now with a little digging, I find that "Chomsky ... played a pivotal role in the decline of linguistic behaviorism, and was particularly critical of the work of B. F. Skinner." Starting to get it. Just enough to sound smarter than I really am.
From deep into linguistics to Steamed Ham. That's quite a feat for a crossword puzzle.
Oh say! JD66 from yesterday, Doh!
So FINSTA made a kind of comeback a couple of years ago when Senator Blumenthal was questioning a Fauxbook executive about the problem of FINSTAs in the harm that the Internet might be doing to children. His question was so poorly worded that video of it became viral, although the concept he was getting at was correct.
ReplyDeleteThe video: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DF2oauZxU0A
The explanation: https://www.theverge.com/2021/10/1/22704308/finsta-instagram-facebook-privacy-kids-safety-richard-blumenthal-blackburn
Michael,
ReplyDeleteYour comments on today’s puzzle: ๐ฏ
Happy anniversary to you!: ๐ฏ
I hate it when two foreign words cross as in BABU-BESO. More commonly, you see a obscure foreign word cross a proper name like NATICK
ReplyDeleteOh, I *loved* this puzzle, perhaps not surprisingly. I went to a college with a serious linguistics program and thought I would major in it. But I took an “Intro to Linguistics” class geared towards prospective linguistics majors, taught by one of Chomsky’s mentees, and quickly disabused myself of the notion. Too much logic, too little poetry. But it was enough for me to love this puzzle.
ReplyDeleteAnd I’m with Lewis on this one. I’d like to think that were it a different subject that I was less naturally inclined towards - say, engineering or football - that I would still enjoy a niche themed puzzle. In general I really enjoy listening to people who are deeply passionate and knowledgeable about something talk about their special interest. That’s all I’ve got today - just wanted to pop in to share my minority opinion before another looooong day of meetings.
Finally, happy anniversary Rex! My parents have been together for over 40 years now, and they’re still stupidly in love. I wish the same for you!
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ReplyDeleteApparently not up on my CHOMSKY. At least I remembered his first name, so plus one for the ole brain.
Not a clue as to what the Themers had in common. Turns out it was a sentence. Ah, existentialism beyond my ken. Here's a nonsensical sentence for ya - The oil drove upward into the film set. Any different from CHOMSKYs? ๐
Strange puz. Decent fill, considering the theme splattered all over. Had a one-letter DNF, however, at NsA/sOTELL. Ouch. DO TELL. (Or Don't TELL.)
Wednesday, weeks zipping by again.
Four F's
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“Painfully stiff and straightforward and professorial.” Yes! Oh, sweet Wednesday puzzle, they’re playing our song. As a word nerd I loved this.
ReplyDeleteHappy anniversary, Rex and Mrs. Rex!
This was my fastest Wednesday solve yet, but I’m also a linguist (by training and trade). Nice to see my field represented every once in a while!
ReplyDeleteThis puzzle is why, if Rex didn't exist, we would have to invent him.
ReplyDeleteThere was no way I was going to try to parse -- and then have to carry out -- the gibberish-y instructions at 61A. I had NO CLUE what this puzzle wanted from me. I only knew that I had not noticed any theme while solving and that I hadn't missed it in the least.
I could have stared at my final grid along with the gibberish-y clue at 61A until the cows came home and not known what the bleep was going on. I mean if you've never ever seen that NONSENSICAL NOAH CHOMSKY sentence...
I found the 61A clue plus the theme itself as completely NONSENSICAL as the NOAH CHOMSKY sentence.
One non-theme-related aside: If you RINSE right after you lather, what was the point of lathering in the first place? Shouldn't there be a SHAVE in there somewhere?
Needed help on spelling of Chomsky name.
ReplyDeleteWhy wouldn’t STRIKE/BOWL be as plausible a reference to bowling as cricket?
Happy anniversary to the “Parkers”!
Weirdly I heard the Chomsky sentence used, on NPR on Monday (OneA? Fresh Air? I'm not sure.) in a discussion of AI. Evidently syntax is much easier to teach AI than is meaning.
ReplyDeleteChomskt is a prime example of building a career out of spun sugar, producing nothing of value and becoming semi-famous. As a lagniappe, his anti- US histrionics make him the darling of ultra radical kooks
ReplyDeleteHave you ever even read Chomsky’s work? Regardless of how you feel about his politics, his work on generative grammar in the 60s was groundbreaking
DeleteI think it would be fair to recognize that Chompsky’s ideas, including the one expressed in today’s puzzle, have been foundational to our current understanding of how we acquire language and how the brain works to process language. Perhaps there are people who don’t understand the impact of E=mc2, but presumably they recognize it as important. It’s not necessary to be a linguistics major to understand critical advances that have been made to our understanding of neurological functions.
ReplyDeleteWell said
DeleteWhy do shampoos say Lather, Rinse, Repeat?
ReplyDeleteThis may be a holdover from the industry's early days. When the first commercial haircare products appeared in stores, it wasn't typical for people to bathe every day. Telling people to shampoo twice whenever they did get around to it was good hygiene advice.
Why is/was there ever a need to point out that the syntax of a sentence is not indicitve of whether the sentence makes sense. Who thought it did?
ReplyDelete@Rex, Happy Anniversary!
ReplyDeleteHaving been a dutiful student since first grade, I took the time to read the reveal clue...maybe 4 times, repeating to myself, Okay, this plus this following that...lemme see now.... Anyway, the best part for me was the parallel NONSENSICAL and NOAM CHOMSKY - with apologies to the linguists here, I tried and utterly failed to read and comprehend him. Second best part: trying to guess the final adverb: what would come before the -LY? I had NO CLUE, needed the FU. Third best: DIMPLES. I'm one of the OLDS who's never heard of the HAMS or FINSTA.
I was a linguistics major at SUNY Binghamton, as a matter of fact, so Noam Chomsky was a gimme. However, I don't remember ever hearing that quote. It's possible that I learned it and have forgotten it, though. My solving time was about average for a Wed.
ReplyDeleteIt's more of an Albany expression
Delete@Anon12:47 ๐ ๐ ๐. Very well played.
DeleteAnd happy anniversary Rex!
Awwww, HAPPY DAY to the Parkers!
ReplyDeleteRecalling Dr. Scott’s Linguists for Dummies course in 1966 was a highlight of my morning so far. Chomsky played heavily in the class, of course, and we amused ourselves with Tocharian as a syntactic playground. Nice memories triggered by Scott’s grid. Clearly I enjoyed the solve immensely more than Rex though I have to agree with him that FINSTA makes about as much sense as CHOMSKY’s sentence. Back up top to see commentariat reactions.
This puzzle is made worse by the fact that although the theme is meant to be linguistics, the clue for Babu is linguistically wrong! Babu is a term of respect for men in the language Hindi, as well as in some other South Asian languages. It is not actually a synonym for "Mr" in any of them that I speak, but this is just about excusable shorthand.
ReplyDeleteHowever, there is no such language as Hindu, which refers to an adherent of the faith Hinduism. So "Hindu Mr" is just wrong and NONSENSICAL.
The language and the religion are not at all related, despite their similar (in English) spellings.
I have sent a correction to the Times on this point, but if there is anything the august group of puzzlers here can do to help elevate it, that would be good.
This puzzle was obviously meant for cunning linguists, of which I am decidedly not one!
ReplyDeleteNo joy for me today. Finished ok but "nonsensical" theme. Had to read the blog to get it. Meh
ReplyDeleteDon't understand why 48A "Like father, like son" is MALE.
ReplyDelete61A might be the worst crossword clue I have ever seen. Scott Koening, this was terrible and i hope my comment makes you rethink your whole life
ReplyDeleteI thought this was very easy and somewhat plodding until I gleefully wrote in Noah Webster instead of NOAM CHOMSKY and No Idea instead of NO CLUE (and yes, I caught the duplication with IDEAS and thought it was just a poorly constructed puzzle since I had already encountered UCSF and SFO). Theme absolutely meaningless to me and the revealer wasn’t useful at all so the whole thing left me with a decidedly meh feeling except for TIMESUCK which was the one bright spot.
ReplyDeleteI can't tell you how thrilled I am that NOAM CHOMSKY sold millions of books about syntax and semantics. Just think...You're browsing in a book store and there, right in front of your eyes, a title that involves COLORLESS GREEN IDEAS SLEEP FURIOUSLY.... Or do you choose another book titled FINSTA TIMESUCK with Betty BOOP. Such a dilemma......
ReplyDeleteMy favorite today? @Rex's video clip of the Simpsons and Steamed HAMS.
UCSF and SFO dancing together. I practically lived at SFO. I almost went to UCSF. Nobody cares.
Let's see...I liked BABU DIMPLES. What else....Can't seem to find a dance partner today....Sigh.
@Rex...Happy, happy to you and your lovely wife. I can't remember how long my husband and I have been together. I think about 40 or so years. Neither one of us, though, are WASHED up. What does that even mean?
I guess if you really really really love Noam Chomsky, this is the greatest puzzle ever. Seems like a lot of work for a Nothing Burger theme. Still an enjoyable romp as always.
ReplyDeleteLove BOOPing any kid I can find. Them? They wonder why a strange old man is taking a swing at them.
PHONY is my 15th favorite word.
Amusing to learn about FINSTA. Back when the internet was young, I had a fake email address for posting on in forums, but I can't remember what it was nor any passwords, so my surreptitious life of posting crazy ideas is now a pleasant memory -- except for the bather I post here. None of those forums exist anymore thankfully.
OOO was sooo close to OHO.
Uniclues:
1 Invisible wish granter ... no, not god.
2 Venomous knots.
3 Made a living plinking in the agora.
4 Stone's moneymakers.
5 Fodder for Friday night true crime dramas.
6 TikTok with the volume up.
7 Every one of them?
8 Dinner conversation about units in the building on Realtor.com.
1 COLORLESS GENIE
2 TIED OFF ASPS
3 WENT BY LYRE
4 EMMA DIMPLES
5 PLOTTERS' TALES
6 I HEAR TIME SUCK
7 NONSENSICAL SHE
8 EYES ABODES YAP
My Fascinating Crossword Uniclue Keepsake from Last Year: Percussion party. LOTSA GONG PALS.
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I'd never heard of this "sentence,"
ReplyDeleteSo I'm going to bash the puzzle.
That's the write up you should've gone with to save us all the trouble of yet another harangue. You do get points for having the gall to call the puzzle a lecture, when your hectoring is almost always some form of unpleasant lecture.
Ya gotta like the TITO ICED stack at 41A and 44A. Tito’s is pretty hip in Vodka circles right now and definitely not bottom shelf.
ReplyDeleteTo those saying “welp, I could make up a nonsense sentence too, and no one’s putting me in crosswords” - - Chomsky wasn’t saying that this sentence was profound or special. He was using it to help unravel deep questions about the way language is acquired.
As to the Lather, RINSE, Repeat cycle. I’ve always assumed it was just there to make you use up your shampoo faster so you’d have to buy another sooner.
I was taught that “Let it BESO” is a translation of “amen”. Now I learn that it means “gimme a smooch”. Those naughty priests!
Congrats to the Rexes on 20 and to Scott Koenig on a fun #1.
Happy Anniversary!
ReplyDeleteHappy Anniversary, Rex!
ReplyDeleteFor some reason I started this one online last night, but put it aside to go to bed, having not figured out how to make FURIOUSLY work with TIME SinK, and having pBs/scentLESS up in the NW. I forgot all about that in the morning, made myself a mochaccino then sat down, opened the paper to the puzzle, and saw a lot of very familiar clues. So I finished it up by reading the clues from the paper and inputting the answers with my phone. As a result, I have no idea whether I liked the puzzle or not -- it was so different from my usual experience.
ReplyDelete@Nancy, I tried 'shave' too, but I think the clue is about shampooing.
I've never really understood cricket, so I'm not sure what a strike would be in that context -- isn't the objective of the bowler to hit the wicket? Is that called a strike? I certainly had tenpins in mind while solving.
I think CHOMSKY's point was not that he had made up a particularly brilliant NONSENSICAL sentence, but that the possibility of such sentences posed a problem for the dominant linguistic theories of the time. More I cannot tell you.
This took nearly 10 years? Well I’ll just leave that right there except to say a lot of time could’ve been saved on the incredibly convoluted revealer as far as I was concerned because I didn’t need it. My solve was totally themeless and when I got to 61A, I immediately skipped past it because I could see it was going to be a huge TIME SUCK just to decipher it. Now, having studied it and read what Rex had to say about it, still of the same mindset. NO CLUE why this became an IDEA for a crossword but it’s certainly not the first time I didn’t relate to a theme. For those who like this sort of thing, I’m sure it was a sort of thing they liked.
ReplyDeleteOn a very happy note, congratulations Mr. and Mrs. Rex on your 20th year of matrimonial bliss! That’s a real milestone. May you have many many more.
I could explain the 'tritone substitution' in jazz harmonics and work it into a crossword puzzle, I suppose, but it would have extremely limited appeal and recognition for a solving audience. So I'd probably move on to a different theme and go from there. Happy for the few linguistics folks who were thrilled by the author's conceit, but for the vast majority of solvers, what a dumb, 'aren't I clever' idea.
ReplyDeleteHappy Anniversary and congratulations, Rex.
PS you'd look much better in a Yankee cap haha.
Medium. Like many solvers my typical early week MO is to ignore the theme and try to finish as quickly as possible, especially if, like today, the reveal clue is long and complicated. That was not a good strategy today because I know the quote and would have been able to fill it in if I had read the reveal.
ReplyDeleteClassic, clever and smooth, liked it
Happy anniversary @Rex!
Happy happy joy joy on your anniversary Rex!
ReplyDeleteUCSF, University of California San Francisco, is the system's medical school. It has several facilities here in town, housing highly-rated schools in medicine, pharmacy, nursing, and dentistry.
ReplyDeleteI had fun unraveling the theme and the nonsense sentence. Smart cluing, too.
Tito's is very popular here, right up there with Grey Goose. It bills itself as gluten-free
Well, I found this intriguing, inventive and nicely constructed (though @Rex had a point about the SF dupes, and there were too many POCs). It had very little xwordese and was anything but a COLORLESS TIMESUCK. Around every corner was a mystery to MULL over, a story waiting to be told: a LIL tot’s first time at the barber: WASH(ED), RINSE, SNIP - BOOP, now we can see his EYES!
ReplyDeleteI’m not a speed solver - I like a puzzle that makes me smile (“Parental authority”/SAYSO), teaches me something (the LYRE myth), plays with words (“Object of wishful thinking/GENIE) and rewards my habit of reviewing the grid once I’m done to find little tidbits like today’s symmetrical palindromes OOO and LIL. I don’t even mind having to read an entire clue, especially if it connects NONSENSICAL and NOAM CHOMSKY, which were already above average individually.
So my congratulations to Scott Koenig - I look forward to more.
Admittedly, my mood was probably elevated by listening to yesterday’s birthday musician, the marvelous tenor Fritz Wunderlich. I learned he studied horn as well as voice, and attributed his phenomenal breath control to his horn-playing days. What a voice.
My favorite takeaway this morning is the nod to England with the BBC and the more esoteric BOWL, referring to cricket (thank you so much all my friends across the pond who educated me on the glorious game during my time there).
ReplyDeleteI agree with @Lewis that this is indeed a constructor’s labor of love and dedication. It is in its own way very cohesive and well put together. I put it in the category I call “Constructors’ Puzzles.” Ones that, like the puppy at the animal shelter adoption event is “so ugly she’s cute.
When I saw that NOAM CHOMSKY was the headliner, I switched to themeless mode and worked my way through. COLORLESS took quite a while, I had no idea what to add to _ INSTA, and I got FURIOUSLY because it became obvious, especially because the app highlighted all the theme words. Themeless worked perfectly.
The theme itself? Sorry CHOMSKY fans. A dear friend is a fan and has spent way too much of the last 20 years trying to convince me to join the fan club but no.
Scott, this is a wonderfully constructed labor of love. Congratulations on your debut. A constructor’s gem for sure! I look forward to your next offering and admit that I selfishly hope for the same level of exquisite skill with maybe a little more pure fun?
Colorless green ideas? At this time of year? At this time of day? In this part of the country? Localized entirely within the New York Times crossword puzzle?
ReplyDelete…may I see them?
Any so-called linguistics* expert would have put clearer directions on the shampoo bottle. Like adding ONCE to Lather, Rinse, Repeat.
ReplyDeleteFor years, I used up all the hot water (and shampoo) by just following the Proctor & Gambol (that SHOULD have been the spelling/clue in that recent puzzle) when I was stuck in this hellish infinity loop in the shower.
Endless hair washing and rinsing meant I never got to school, causing me to repeat my grade. And repeat and repeat and repeat.
* since I never left the shower to attend class, I can only assume linguistics means gymnastics of the tongue. Like tying a cherry or some other motion that women claim I’m no good at.
Thanks to the bloggers who pointed out that BOWL is a term used in cricket. OK...but in that case the clue should have made some reference to a sport played outside the U.S. The clue is misleading at best.
ReplyDeleteI didn't like this puzzle - from FINSTA to TITO & pretty much all in between. Not liking it that much I had no incentive to even try to finish it.
ReplyDeleteWas this about the constructor? Or creating a puzzle that might be enjoyable for us??
Happy Anniversary, Rex! Loved the pic of you & your wife (& the pup in the background?)
Apparently, being a linguistics major or huge NOAM CHOMSKY fan is a NONSENSICAL TIME SUCK, but being a huge Simsons fan or pop culture major deserves a BESO.
ReplyDeleteI had NO CLUE about BOOP (in this semantic sense), BABU, FINSTA, RPG (again, ITSS), or any 1989 #1 hit, but managed to solve this a LIL FURIOUSLY.
Now I have a YEN to trade in my OLDS for a TESLA, then watch a Betty BOOP cartoon on the BBC.
We Yanks watch his shows on PBS, not BBC. Just not cricket
ReplyDeleteI can't put into words how delighted I was to see steamed hams show up in a puzzle. My kids and I love that Simpsons short much we practically have it memorized. Also, I will allow sketch, since this scene was in 22 Short Films about Springfield, which , as the name implies, has 22 Short "sketches", each about a minute long
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ReplyDeleteAnd a very Happy Anniversary to the "Parkers"!!
CHOMSKY was big in psycholinguistics when I was in grad school but, wow, that was long ago in the previous century. The theme was bowling in my lanes but I was surprised to see it in the NYT and figured that a whole bunch of solvers would not be amused. The convoluted reveal was appropriately in the style of CHOMSKY'S sentence.
ReplyDeleteThis is the kind of puzzle that used to appear in the Chronicle of Higher Education before they stopped publishing crosswords a few years back.
I think that his COLORLESS GREEN IDEAS SLEEP FURIOUSLY sentence inspired a whole generation of NONSENSICAL rock and roll band names like "Blue Oyster Cult", "Tangerine Dream", "Toad the Wet Sprocket", "Stone Temple Pilots", and others.
For 41D "Doomscrolling, e.g." I first put in LIFE SUCK.
@Anoa Bob – It's Blue รyster Cult. Pioneers of umlaut rock. (But they're from Lawn Guyland.)
DeleteChomsky's work was fundamental to a revolution in cognitive theory along with Pribram, Galanter, and Miller's Plans and the Structure of Behavior. His work demolished the prevailing behaviorist approach that at the time threatened to take over all education with a Skinnerian reinforcement reward paradigm. Chomsky and others restored mind to Psychology and his achievement will outlast his current fame as an anarchist. Like Lord Russell, his latterday fame has eclipsed genuine, revolutionary, accomplishment.
ReplyDeleteI'm a day late on this, but I was surprised to learn that IONE Skye is the daughter of Donovan Leitch, the folksinger who wrote Catch the Wind and many other biggies. Ione was raised by her mom, though, Enid Karl, a model -- who was born in the Bronx and Jewish. And Ione has written a Yiddish-themed children's book.
ReplyDeleteOne deer, many deer (not deers) - one Cree, many Cree (not Crees) for 31 D
ReplyDeleteI heard the Chomsky quotation for the first time ever last weekend on npr, in a piece about AI learning. I'm surprised to be the only npr listener in this community (unless I missed them earlier in the comments, in which case nvm)!
ReplyDeleteMy first Wednesday without auto-correct or looking up hints! I enjoyed this quite a bit. My favorite Steamed Hams is the one where they turn it into Green Day Basket Case
ReplyDeleteFun puzzle…… I always enjoy learning something new in my crossword!
ReplyDeleteMy hubs was at the store looking at vodkas once and the guy next to him said “oh, you like that one..” (hubs was holding a Tito’s bottle)….. then the guy said “ That’s me!!! I’m Tito)!!! Made his day!!!
Happs Anniversary RP!!
Happy happy happiest of anniversaries to you, Rex! That’s such a sweet photo you posted. Thank you for your daily service and for taking time to spend with us even on important days like these.
ReplyDeleteFollowing up on others’ comments, “Steamed Hams” is indeed all a bunch of people in the <25 age range know about the Simpsons. It was huge from say, 2018-2021. So this is a younger-skewing clue rather than an obscure one.
ReplyDeleteI thought Noam Chomsky's theories had gone out of favor lately. And the clue for 61 across is more nonsensical than the quote itself. Surely it sets a record for being hard to parse and understand. I had 29 across what it was getting at!
ReplyDelete[Spelling Bee: Tues 0, my last word was a 5er I have never heard of.]
Re the notion that strike is referring to cricket.
ReplyDeleteno, No sir. Not even close. In fact, exactly backwards. in cricket strike is almost always (very nearly almost always) referring to some element of batting. Batsman are called strikers. In fact, Nepal just set a slew of record in their demolition of Mongolia. Check out the BBC Sport website and you'll see the term strike rate, which denotes how quickly a batsman is scoring runs. Strike is never used for bowling. Sometimes in esoteric discussion of the types of bowlers you hear the term strike bowler. But it is not a term for the bowled ball. Not ever.
We didn't have any difficulty understanding the clue at 61 across, not sure what the big deal is.
ReplyDeleteThoroughly enjoyed the puzzle.
real drags eat crossword pleasure......
ReplyDelete@Stickler (1:18 PM)
ReplyDeleteHands up for daily doses of the podcasts, 'NPR News Now' & 'Consider This'. Maybe if I listened to the broadcast version of NPR, I'd've been better informed on today's subject. ๐ค
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Having read up on CHOMSKY, 'syntax' & 'semantics', I now have a better grasp of the complexity of the theme, altho I'm far from grokking his theory.
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Peace ๐ ๐บ๐ฆ ~ Compassion ~ Tolerance ~ Kindness, Freudenfreude & a DAP to all ๐ ๐
where oh where us LMS? would like to see her take on this one.
ReplyDeleteThinking of our local linguist, @LMS and missing her today.
ReplyDeleteRe: 'throw':
ReplyDelete"In the sport of ten-pin bowling, there are many different ways in which to deliver (known as a "throw" or "roll") the bowling ball in order to advance it toward the pins in an accurate and powerful manner. Generally, there are three basic forms of 10-pin bowling. The most basic form is known as stroking, which is the most classic form. The most powerful form is known as cranking, which imparts great leverage and maximum rotation on the ball, but sacrifices accuracy. In between the two is the domain of the tweener, who has characteristics of both, but does not truly fit into either category. A well-known variant of "tweening" is the power stroker." (Wikipedia) Scroll down page for short vid of E.J. Tackett lofting the ball.
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Peace ๐ ๐บ๐ฆ ~ Compassion ~ Tolerance ~ Kindness, Freudenfreude & a DAP to all ๐ ๐
So is the lesson that Chomsky invented Mad Libs? Adjective, adjective, noun, verb, adverb.
ReplyDelete@liveprof 1:07 - I loved Donovan in the 60s and 70s. I too was surprised when the Reverend Veal’s pretty wife who wanted to learn the secular world turned out to be Mr. Leitch’s daughter.
ReplyDeleteIone Skye on Arrested Development
(That’s my 4th TV callback for the day - dammit! if only my parents had subscribed to Shakespeare Guide instead of TV Guide, I’d ve praised for my Chomsky-like intellectualism!)
Here for the FINSTA complaints; pleasantly surprised that Rex's complaint is not that it's newfangled but that it's outdated.
ReplyDeleteThe "steamed HAMS" bit is the only Simpsons bit I've ever seen (well, I guess I knew DOH too!)
I grew up with the writer of this puzzle but we haven’t seen or spoken to eo in years. I have never blazed through a Wednesday so quickly. I guess this is unremarkable, but felt funny given that so many found this such a stubborn puzzle. I enjoyed the theme and the 8-years-ago cultural reference fun.
ReplyDeleteSpeaking of OOO, I just learned about the Icelandic Horses OOO email service! https://www.visiticeland.com/outhorse-your-email/#%20
ReplyDeleteIcelandic horses are a unique breed of fluffier, smaller horses than the continental breeds (which are not permitted to be imported there). Now some of them have been specially trained to compose your OOO message for you, so you can spend more time enjoying your vacation. You’re welcome.
We just came back from a trip to Iceland, and wondered what all those keyboards in the countryside were for. Who knew?
DeleteApart from being a bit creeky in the linguistic bones, my understanding of FINSTA was that it was the account you let you parents know about, where you posted your wholesome teen activities and such - Thus your fake instagram. The real Instagram account is where you put what you really wanted your friends to see, but you’d never invite your parents to connect.
ReplyDeleteLame theme. Not worth the effort.
ReplyDeleteI SAY NOCLUE
ReplyDeleteIHEAR EMMA's a PHONY
with a NONSENSICAL TALE:
"SO, ILIED, NO baloney",
SHE ASKED, "DO I SLEEP with a MALE?"
--- LI'L NOAM BOLEYN, CEO, BBC
The Nonsensical Noam Chomsky...sounds like the subject of a Phd. thesis...
ReplyDeleteBOOP
ReplyDeleteSounds as nonsensical as the "sentence" in the puz.
Love Noam C - used to hear him on the radio.
Diana, LIW
NO IDEAS about FINSTA, but crossed easily enough. Noticed: IHEAR ILIED; IFSO SAYSO; UCSF SFO. Puz not much of a TIMESUCK.
ReplyDeletewordle birdie.
This was probably the most challenging Wednesday puzzle I have dealt with. Certainly, not knowing Mr. C's incredible sentence, it was all NONSENSICAL to me. So like many, I solved it as a themeless.
ReplyDeleteTroubles right away. BOOP? That's not even a word, except for Betty's last name. Nothing whatever to connect it with a playful tap on the nose. OOO? What about OFF? In all schedules I've seen, that signified the worker was not going to be working that day. Everybody knows what OFF means; OOO is going to have people saying "Huh?"
With the NONSE-start, I wanted NONSEQUITUR, which fit, and seemed in the spirit of the theme clues. Took a long time to dislodge that.
There were other WOEs too, but just barely enough gimmes to patch it all together. I actually felt I earned triumph points for finishing; that would be a first for this early in the week. Birdie.
Wordle par because I went with the -Y ending instead of the -E. Shoulda just hit the putt straight.