Curved bedframe style / SAT 6-10-23 / Mythological figure with an eponymous body part / Roman statesman for whom a Midwest city was named / Speaking openly in texts / Either brother in an old pop duo / Hermes invention in myth
Constructor: John Hawksley
Relative difficulty: Easy-Medium
THEME: none
Word of the Day: Triple ENTENTE (51A: Triple ___) —
The Franco-Japanese Treaty of 1907 was a key part of building a coalition as France took the lead in creating alliances with Japan, Russia, and (informally) with Britain. Japan wanted to raise a loan in Paris, so France made the loan contingent on a Russo-Japanese agreement and a Japanese guarantee for France's strategically vulnerable possessions in Indochina. Britain encouraged the Russo-Japanese rapprochement. Thus was built the Triple Entente coalition that fought World War I.
At the start of World War I in 1914, all three Triple Entente members entered it as Allied Powers against the Central Powers: Ottoman Turkey, Germany and Austria-Hungary. On September 4, 1914, the Triple Entente issued a declaration undertaking not to conclude a separate peace and only to demand terms of peace agreed between the three parties. Historians continue to debate the importance of the alliance system as one of the causes of World War I.
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I always feel like I'm meant to ooh and / or aah at these Saturday puzzles with wide-open centers like this, where lots of long answers intersect. What I usually feel, and feel today, is that a few of the answers are nice and some are OK and others feel weak or obscure or jury-rigged in some way. The Acrosses in there seem fine–I really like "HE STARTED IT!," and I'm not sure I would've gotten good traction at all without CINCINNATUS—but the Downs are less appealing. Hard to like something like TELESCOPIUM, which sounds more like an element than a constellation, and anyway I have no idea what that is or what stars are in it or anything. Big shrug. And "STAND AT EASE" is really badly clued. Do they really say the whole thing like that. The only "order!" I've ever heard used is "AT EASE!" STAND AT EASE is something you do after the order, I guess, but it doesn't feel like an order (exclamation point!). ORNAMENTING is weird in the gerund form, and contributes to this puzzle's overall -ING problem: SETTING FREE near ORNAMENTINGcrossingE-SIGNINGcrossingTIRING (we'll let GINGER slide...). I definitely recognize that the center was probably tough to construct, and that making it come out as smooth as it is is a kind of feat, but there were too few highs for me today. Felt a bit bland, a bit off, especially in the cluing. What does a MOM CAVE have to do with "zen." Are they using "zen" ... super-metaphorically here? Like, it's where mom goes to find some ... zen-as-in-peace? Is she meditating? Is a MOM CAVE even a thing? Is that somebody's idea of gender equity? "Well, we've got mancaves, why not MOM CAVEs? Surely we can sell *that* concept to anxious upper middle-class people!" It's better than SHE-SHED, I'll give it that. Anyway, you're insulting Zen is all I'm saying (note: Zen, being Zen, doesn't care). The best/worst thing in the grid is CAWCAWED (32D: Quoth the raven?). I hate/love it, then hate it again, then love it some more. I wish it were crossing EAPOE so my hate/love could expand infinitely throughout the universe. The past tense, my god! As I worked my way through theoretical CAW verb permutations (CAWCAWING? CAWCAWCAW?), my mind boggled, then toggled, then it just melted away. I'm not even sure it's there any more. Very Zen.
Felt very POWERLIFTER-y right off the bat today, as SLEIGH was my first guess at 1A: Curved bedframestyle and GEL and ISIAH immediately confirmed it. In almost no time I was here:
... and HALOGEN BULB dropped from there. Then things slowed down considerably. Weirdly, the biggest mistake I made in that center area was a small one: GET IN for GET TO (24A: Find time for). "I'm gonna try to GET IN a few rounds (of golf?) before it rains," something like that. This wee mistake gunked up two of the long Downs for a bit, but eventually "HE STARTED IT!" became undeniable and all the letter combos got bad and I had to pull IN and think for a bit and then, of course, TO, GET TO. Other errors: I had HIREE instead of HIRER (28D: Headhunter's correspondent). Surely a headhunter has to contact the head that she's hunting, right? But I guess at *that* point the "correspondent" is not yet the HIREE, fair enough. No other outright errors, though bizarrely I blanked, or partially blanked, or felt creepily unsure about, two three-letter answers that I absolutely know: AMC and GTI. I watched Mad Men loyally and wrote in AMC easily ... but then it was turning the zen place into MOM-something and that made no sense so I looked at AMC and thought "Is that even right? Isn't that ... American Movie Classics ... why would a TV show be on American Movie Classics? ... A Movie Channel? ... jeez louise, what do letters even mean anymore!?" Turns out AMC did (originally) stand for American Movie Classics. But now it ... doesn't. As for GTI, I wanted that, but it started seeming more like an infection than a car, so I considered GTO, but I knew that the Beach Boys or Jan & Dean or whoever were not singing about a Volkswagen, so out went the "O." Eventually, with both these short answers, I ended back where I began, with my first instinct, which was correct.
[Ronnie & the Daytonas!? How many surf rock bands were there!?]
Other things:
34D: Prudent poker player, perhaps (PASSER) — oof, this puzzle has a way of putting a bright hot spotlight on its worst fill. I know you "pass" in poker but would you ever call anyone a PASSER? The American football clue is always going to be the best one if you have to use PASSER (there's a "PASSER rating" and everything).
8D: Fly, at times (LURE) —think fishing ("fly" = "a fishhook dressed (as with feathers or tinsel) to suggest an insect" (merriam-webster.com))
26A: Not from Scotland (NAE) — i.e. the word "Not," as they would say it in Scotland.
34A: Athlete often found on the bench (POWERLIFTER) — "bench" = the "bench" from which you do the "bench press" (one of three powerlifting components, along with deadlift and squat: the Triple ENTENTE of weightlifting!)
39A: Van trailer? (BUREN) — this clue is CAWCAWED levels of loopy, and yet I got it easily, and kind of liked it. BUREN "trails" Van in the name of our beloved, mutton-chopped president, Martin Van BUREN. Look on this facial hair, ye mighty, and despair!
Have a lovely, hopefully smoke-and-haze-free weekend. See you next time.
CAW CAWED was kind of cute, and I also like Drop before bedtime for SUNSET. A lot of it just felt forced though - I guess ORNAMENTING is probably considered a word, but why force us to slog our way through that, especially with very little payoff in the SE section (see also TELESCOPIUM).
I initially thought “Not just track” as a clue for LOCATE was kind of a dud. If you are in fact tracking something, well what are you tracking - my vote would be its LOCATION. I must be missing something nuanced in the cluing - I’ll go with this: If you are tracking something, you may be aware that it is “in transit” without knowing its LOCATION - wow, I feel better now.
I am a poker player, and I’ve never heard “pass.” It’s “check.” That SW corner was a little off for me, with that plus CAW CAWED and MOM CAVE - for the reasons Rex mentions, except that I just hated CAW CAWED, not love-hated it.
Otherwise I liked it. I had fiT in before GET TO, and that held me up. I liked that straightforward clue (“find time for”) followed by the misdirection of “finds a time for” for CARBON DATES. Agree that HE STARTED IT is great, and a reminder of growing up the middle of three brothers (with two sisters coming later). Those blame-shifting words never achieved their purpose. “I don’t care WHO started it, cut it out right now!”
Puzzles bring pleasure in different ways. Yesterday’s, by Robyn Weintraub, brought it to me with humor and relatability. Today’s, by John Hawksley, brought it by making me work hard, by giving me high fulfillment through simply filling in empty spaces.
That huge chasm of emptiness in the belly of today’s beast, well, you can’t expect its answers to be chosen for their entertainment value; to a constructor, simply filling it cleanly is a worthy goal. When you read John’s notes (in XwordInfo or WordPlay), you see the work that went into it, that month of preparation before even placing in the first word. And filling it in cleanly he did.
I love what resulted – from the arcane (TELESCOPIUM, HALOGEN BULBS, ORNAMENTING, and CINCINNATUS) to the everyday (HE STARTED IT, MAKE UP GAMES, POWER LIFTER, SETTING FREE).
The combination of out-of-wheelhouse and difficult clues presented a formidable gauntlet, just what I want Saturday’s puzzle to be, the hard workout of the week, where sweat brings sweet satisfaction. Pleasure. Thank you, John, for all you put into making this beauty!
Last square filled in was #19. I had tried SHAdED/dAIA and SHAgED/gAIA before realizing the only way it could make sense in both directions was SHAMED/MAIA.
Overwrites: pest before LURE at 8D, oRAM Khachaturian before ARAM at 9D, HOT oven before SEAT at 13A, TELESCOPIUs before -IUM at 14D, ratio before SCALE at 41A.
those of us womenfolk who are just out here trying to live our childless, spouseless, shedless lives .....
....what, don't get our own hovel to cave out etc. in?
did u know that when u don't have to hide from your loved ones in (seemingly.... unnecessarily kind of cramped? though?) nooks and/or crannies in order to have zen time, ur loved ones have no choice but to scour the whole earth whenever they inevitably decide to disrupt ur zen time?
did u know that zen time not motivated by hiding from ur life is just regular time
This looked hopeless (NW) until it didn't. My SW start had RATIO leading to OILY which of course didn't worke so then EELY lead to PAUPER which didn't work, and so on. Eventually straightened everything out and the middle went in pretty smoothly. POWERLIFTER did the, uh, heavy lifting and anchored all that fill settling down on top of it.
Did lots of ESIGNING when we sold our house and bought this place, so that was a gimme.
TELESCOPIUM? Really?
Seems like ACHILLES was just around here, but it would have made things easier if I hadn't read "eponymous" as "enormous". I mean, really.
Nice Saturday, JH. Just Hoped for something slightly more challenging, but certainly enjoyed myself. Thanks for all the fun.
Anon 8:10 - The HOF basketball player Thomas spells his name, “Isiah”, although I would guess that the vast majority of people named Isaiah spell it as you suggest. Anon 8:36 - Clearly you knew this. Be kind. We Anons need to stick together and support each other, in a world filled with posters who know how to put in their names, pseudonyms and even pictures.
Anon 8:36 & 9:50, perhaps you misunderstood my comment. Yes, your original response was correct. And concise. But it was not not kind. Nor was it helpful. Ask yourself, “What type of Anon do I want to be?”
Agree 100% with Wanderlust & Rex: PASSER is not a thing in poker. It’s “check.” And even that often isn’t “prudent” — a lot of times it’s a bluff to induce a bet. Why not clue it with a bridge reference if they wanted to go with cards vs football?
Although it was many, many moons ago, when I served in the Army "STAND AT EASE" was commonly commanded. Some of the NCOs would use a more casual tone with, "At ease." Both resulted in the same action by the troops.
Finished it with one cheat (MAIA). I agree that PASSER is bad fill. "Check" is correct, albeit if you said "pass" you'd be understood. A much better clue, I think, would have been "One hoping for a reception."
Never heard of MOMCAVE. I guess that's a response to MANCAVE, with the parental aspect added. Can't have any gender discrimination, you know..
Some of the cluing should definitely have been toughened up for a Saturday. “Rain check events” and “Liberating” are just too literal. PASSER is just a bad clue.
I used to drive a GTI, which if you knew my driving style would amuse you terribly. VW just happened to have a good sale on at the time I was buying. I lost it to a rear-ending on the DC Beltway. Traffic was stopping (as traffic does on the DC Beltway), and the guy behind me didn’t notice. He never even hit the brakes. Fortunately, there were no injuries, (and plenty of witnesses).
@Southside Johnny 6:55 – if you are tracking e.g. an animal, you are following its tracks. You know where it has been, but not where it is. Until you locate it.
@Anonymous 8:10 – No, it’s ISIAH. There is an ‘Isaiah’ Thomas, too, but he is not (and never will be) in the Hall of Fame.
Wow. Been awhile since I couldn't do the majority of a puzzle. All four corners were brutal and the center remained blank. Finally started Go-ogle to help fill it out. Oh well, not everything's for me.
Hey, on a top secret note, I tried the Rao's spaghetti sauce while my Italian wife was out of town and it's nowhere near as good as her homemade sauce, but it's probably better than any of the restaurants around here, so in a pinch it'll SOAR.
Uniclues:
1 Jingle bells with bluetooth. 2 Retail outlet selling "JUICY" shorts. 3 Each person in Ireland at 8 am. 4 Every Denver Bronco quarterback except two. (And how 'bout them Denver Nuggets, eh?) 5 Go to the kitchen. 6 That one time when a politician lied. 7 God. Or physics.
1 SLEIGH ALARMS 2 HOT SEAT BUREAU 3 RED EYE GINGER 4 SHAMED PASSER 5 LOCATE MOM CAVE 6 ETHICS CAW-CAW-ED 7 SUNSET HANGER
What an idiot I am! I've kept the faith and worked like a dog and almost wrestled this bear of a puzzle to the ground and now -- with the $100,000 prize on the line -- I have ????? LIFTER. And WEIGHT doesn't fit. And my letters are P??EE. (Don't ask.)
I know AMC was the "Mad Men" channel. So the Zen retreat can't be a MAN CAVE. Is there such a thing as a MOM CAVE?
I never once question HIREe for the answer to "Headhunter's correspondent." Who else would a headhunter correspond with?
And I know the raven must have CAWED. That's what ravens do. But what are those mysterious first three letters? CATCAWED? Even when I try CAWCAWED -- whatever that means -- I still don't see it. That damned EE. It blinds me to everything, including POWER.
This was a good, tough puzzle. And I am a complete idiot.
FWIW - I had hiree for the longest time. When power showed I thought the whole was wrong until I looked at it and it was like Doh! Hirer is just as good…
Thx, John, terrific construction; lots of crunch! 😊
Very hard (over 2x avg).
Tough finding footholds in all sections. Actually, I take that back; the NE wasn't that bad.
AbAsED before SHAMED; Pinch hItTER before POWER LIFTER; imo before TBH (led to one day before HANGER).
Clever clueing esp: the 'bench athlete'; 'Roast roost'; 'Certain Zen retreat'; 'Quoth the raven'; 'A drop before bedtime'; "That's an order'.
Totally mislead by TELESCOPIUM; was thinking musical 'instrument'. D'oh!
All in all, a worthy battle, and a gratifying last cell guess at the GTI / ENTENTE cross.
Good fun! :) ___ On to Lester Ruff''s Sat. Stumper, with Fred Piscop's NYT' cryptic from xwordinfo.com on deck for Sun. ___ Peace 🕊 🇺🇦 ~ Compassion ~ Tolerance ~ Kindness, Freudenfreude & a DAP to all 👊 🙏
Re: AMC. There's a term for what happened to it, an all too common occurrence in the world of cable television. It's called channel drift - when the original concept is abandoned in order to grab more viewers. In many cases, this change happens gradually.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Channel_drift
AMC, TLC, The History Channel, HLN etc. all have drifted away from their origins.
Some drift so much they disappear, like WGN America morphing into a news network.
Hey All ! Best clue was for CARBON DATES (Finds a time for, in a way.) Nice!
Said "Holy Moly, look at that center!" when I opened the puz. Jumped in undaunted, but then was quickly daunted by getting hardly any answers first pass-through. Noticed the corners were all basically mini-puzs, so started on them. Got the NE first, SW second, NW third, and SE last. (Notice that SERIAL COMMA? 😁) Doing it that way led to some of the Center Mass of Blinding Whiteness to have letters in to work off. Turns out, wasn't as frightening as it seemed at first, and I managed to turn it from a snarling beast to a purring kitten.
Just shy of 30 minutes. Zippy, here. So why can I get good puz times, but get spanked on the SB? Silly brain.
Puz has complete rotational symmetry, so anyway you turn it, the Blockers are the same. Claim no responsibility if you turn your PC screen over and it breaks!
Same ratio/oiLY writeover as others. oATER-TATER (har), some other ones I forget.
Cluing "passer" that way would be a crime on its own, but it becomes inexcusable when you pack the answer next to the past tense of a bird noise (what's next, "cockadoodledooed"?) and a cave term that was made up exclusively for this puzzle.
Next throw in telescopium and Cincinnatus, and it was over before it started.
I can usually tell on my first spin through the clues that it's going to be slow and unpleasant, and I wasn't wrong again today.
Never heard of AMC, so finished with ABC and Mob Cave, which didn’t sound like a zen retreat but mom didn’t occur to me. Sigh. I agree with all of the comments about passer — that’s bridge, not poker. A pretty obvious error.
Tough but doable, my favorite kind of Saturday. TELESCOPIUM and CINCINNATUS were the biggest challenges for me. I briefly joined @Nancy with having my headhunter talk to a HIREE vs. ER but I saved by old friends AMC, Tom SAWYER and the EVERLY Brothers showing me the way to CAWCAWED.
OLES close to HOT SEAT put me in the mind of this hot hot hot blast from the past.
I'm normally the last person to hear about some new coinage, so I'm surprised at how many have not heard of MOM CAVES. I never saw the show, but saw commercials for a TV show of that name (on HGTV?) and the term pops up on the idiotic MSN feed from time to time.
I had vaguely heard of MOM CAVE, but looked it up after solving, and it is very much a thing. There is even a MOM CAVE channel, devoted to "movies made by moms for moms." Rex is right about the zen part, though, which applies only metaphorically. But then Jon Stewart used to give us a "moment of Zen" which had little to do with Buddhism either.
I didn't know POWER LIFTing was a sport, either -- thought it just meant someone who could lift a lot. I actually double-checked the constructor's name to make sure it wasn't Stella Zawistowski.
On the poker thing, I haven't played the game for years, but even thought one says "check," could we say that one saying that is passing, and therefore a PASSER?
I didn't mind ORNAMENTING, which I took as a participle rather than a gerund; but I always think something on the order of cluing TIRING as 'draining' is inelegant.
My biggest problem was ratio crossing oiLY, which really messed up that corner.
After solving this puzzle, I'm on tenterhooks wondering which BRONTE said that thing about souls. If anyone here knows, please tell!
As a general note, a lot of the Southern constellations are named for instruments. I swear I am not making these up: Microscopium (the microscope) Antlia (the air pump) Circinus (the drafting compass) Norma (the carpenter's square) Sextus (the sextant)
Q: You say that 007 ingested a motor vehicle? What was it? M: Well, the CARBONDATESeems to have been a Volkswagen GTI.
If you can’t STAND A TEASE, get out of the MOMCAVE, I say.
Tree beard from LOTR got together with his raven friend to sing some duets. So while the raven CAWCAWED, the ENTENTEd.
I guess this puzzle was quite a technical feat. I can’t wait to solve our first crossword with no black squares. Probably won’t be a ton o’ whooshing on that one. Not that there was here either. But thanks for a pretty good time, John Hawksley.
Very easy for me today, maybe a Saturday best. I have a futon SLEIGH frame in my library so that went right in after confirming with GEL. I wasn’t sure about MAIA but red-faced wasn’t going to be SHAgED so MAIA it was.
HALOGEN BULB led me to BUREN but I didn’t put it in because I thought the clue was too, I don’t know, disrespectful? for referring to a president's name. Hah, here I am worrying about respecting the presidency, aren't I silly!
I hesitated on TELESCOPIUM - I think of the constellations as having been named before telescopes were around. Google tells me it was named by a French astronomer in 1751 or so, who was indeed using a telescope. (It's near the constellation Microscopium, probably not the instrument used to observe it).
SUNSET as a drop before bedtime struck me as oddly clued. That could only work in a puzzle in ETE because in winter the sun sets so much earlier than my bedtime that it would make little sense.
I liked the clue for CARBON DATES. And CAW-CAWED made me smile. I often try to CAW at the crows I hear. But I have to look around first. Once I was cawing in my front yard and someone was walking by. I can only imagine she went home to tell the tale of the crazy neighbor lady. (I've never been able to decide if the crows are actually acknowledging me or not. Probably not.)
Thanks, John Hawksley, for a pleasant Saturday puzzle.
On the tough side for me. The top was a tad easier than the bottom. oiLY (and ratio - hi @jberg) before EELY was painful in the SW and GINGko before GINGER slowed me down in the SE. Plus me too for HIREe and questioning AMC. Didn’t hate it.
I failed to mention 'Finds time for…' as one of my favs (thx @Roo).
Wanted rAiSER for PASSER; a raise could be a 'Prudent' move in poker. 🤔
@Liveprof (10:09 AM) 😂
Can't STAND A TEASE! Good one @egs, Andrew. :) ___ Re: Golf Grand Tourer Injection’ or ‘Golf GTI’ for short:
ChatGPT writes:
"The Volkswagen GTI is a compact sports hatchback that is part of the Volkswagen Golf lineup. GTI stands for "Grand Touring Injection" and represents the high-performance variant of the Golf model. The GTI is known for its sporty design, agile handling, and powerful performance.
Here are some key features and characteristics commonly associated with the Volkswagen GTI:
Performance: The GTI is often praised for its lively performance. It is equipped with a turbocharged engine that delivers a balance of power and efficiency. The exact engine specifications can vary across different generations and model years, but the GTI typically offers a sporty driving experience with responsive acceleration.
Sporty Styling: The GTI has a distinctive and aggressive appearance that sets it apart from the standard Golf models. It often features unique design elements like a honeycomb grille, red accents, sporty body kit, dual exhaust tips, and larger alloy wheels. The interior of the GTI usually combines sportiness with comfort and offers features like sport seats, a flat-bottomed steering wheel, and unique GTI branding.
Handling and Driving Dynamics: The GTI is lauded for its precise handling and excellent driving dynamics. It typically comes with sport-tuned suspension, upgraded brakes, and a responsive steering system. These enhancements contribute to a more engaging driving experience, allowing the driver to enjoy spirited cornering and nimble maneuverability.
Interior Features: The GTI usually offers a well-appointed interior with a range of features and technologies. This can include amenities such as touchscreen infotainment systems, smartphone integration, advanced driver-assistance systems, climate control, and high-quality materials throughout the cabin. The GTI also tends to have ample cargo space, thanks to its hatchback design.
GTI Community and Legacy: The Volkswagen GTI has developed a strong following and has become an icon in the hot hatch segment. It has a rich heritage dating back to its introduction in the 1970s, and it continues to be a popular choice among enthusiasts who appreciate its blend of performance, practicality, and affordability.
It's important to note that specific features, performance specifications, and design elements can vary depending on the model year and regional availability. For the most accurate and up-to-date information on the Volkswagen GTI, it is recommended to refer to official Volkswagen sources or consult with a Volkswagen dealership." ___ Peace 🕊 🇺🇦 ~ Compassion ~ Tolerance ~ Kindness, Freudenfreude & a DAP to all 👊 🙏
Pleasingly challenging for me. I started out with CINCINNATUS all alone in a white field; decamped to the SE, where LIRA x LINEN gave me what I needed; then up to the NE, where AR?M x EMIT did the same there. Then, a struggle. In the SW, it took me a long time to build anything from EVERLY x EELY, especially with an incorrect ManCAVE. But eventually MOM and the wonderful CAWCAWED broke open the center section for me, and I ascended on HALOGEN BULB to the NW and a finish at MAIA. Very satisfying! I liked the cold-weather SLEIGH over HOT SEAT, thought CARBON DATES was terrific, and got a laugh out of the totally unexpected TELESCOPIUM.
Re: CINCINNATUS - I learned about him on a visit to "his" city, where there is a wonderful, full-building-sized mural dedicated to him. It's a trompe l'oeil tour de force - I encourage you to take a look: none of the architectural elements are real; everything is painted on an unbroken flat surface.
Do-over: fiT in before GET TO. Help from previous puzzles: TATER. No idea: GTI, MAIA.
CARBON DATES is my nominee for misdirected clue of the week & Will's crew gets special thanks for letting it PASS without a question mark. Wish the editors had had the same response to BUREN: that would then be Saturday tough as opposed to the president quiz for today’s entry. But what an aha moment it would provide?
Geez, Rex . . . come on! “What’s to like” with CINCINNATUS? Great (cross)word! ! Same with TELESCOPIUM! I thought the whole central stack was wonderful and the intersecting verticals worked fine, too. TBH, I think you’re way too hard to please. Thanks, John Hawksley, for a fun, Saturday-appropriate puzzle. Any mention of Don & Phil (EVERLY) is sure to make me smile.
I'm guessing that there are no poker players on the NYTXW editorial team. I played my first poker game in 1964. Lost all my money! I played my most recent game last night. Won $15. Woo-hoo! In poker you can check, bet, call, raise or fold. My favorite card game where one is a PASSER is Hearts.
Although zen is usually associated with Buddhism, it is not limited to any one religion or philosophy. Nor is it limited to any particular place, so the MOM CAVE connection seemed a little unwarranted. For anyone interested in learning zen, I would recommend "Zen Training: Methods and Philosophy" by Katsuki Sekida (1893-1987). He was a Japanese citizen and life-long zen devotee plus he was an English teacher so his writing is very accessible to English speaking westerners.
Triple Entente. If you've never seen the PBS series on WWI, you can stream it on Amazon Prime. Watch the last episode at least. It's a wonder democracy outlasted Woodrow Wilson.
I neither hated nor loved this puzzle, but finished it slightly faster than my average Saturday time. It wasn’t particularly hard or particularly easy. I did love CAWCAWED and BUREN, though it it was an overwrite from guard for me. Found ACHILLES surprisingly elusive, had to look at a list of Constellations for TELESCOPIUM, which unlocked the whole center for me. I absolutely despise EELY (terrible crosswordese, never used by any person ever. Eels are slippery, not eely) and cast about vainly for something Zen about the Cave in question (yoga? Meditation? Karma?) before grudgingly settling on Mom Cave, which I, as a suburban mom, with an actual shed in my back yard (not very Zen, unfortunately - it’s my home office) have never ever heard of.
TELESCOPIUM, CINCINNATUS, and CAWCAWED (please note my Oxford comma)....What to do with you...Did the PASSER at my front door let you into my party? HE did. You don't look particularly well-dressed. Will you contribute to the liveliness of my little soiree? You didn't. I did, though, dance a fandango tango with the rest of the gang. There's something delightful when you get a 1A and a 1D on a Saturday. It pumped me up. The whole top left and I did well together. I even danced with the top right. ALARMS did go off because I smelled a rat lurking somewhere. The TCC trio. Who are you? I'll leave you alone and mingle with the rest. So I had several oops. Why weren't you a dad CAVE? A mom belongs in a SHE SHED...Ahh, but look! I was saved by "Mad Men." Of course I was. I was always drawn to that gang and I knew you were from AMC. MOM! It's you!. Where did I trip? HALOGEN. I stared at you and felt you needed a LAMP. You didn't seem happy at all. I'll change your BULB. That worked. Little by little my dancing party was coming to an end. I tripped a bit. I cheated on TATER. Man, was he a stinker...Is he actually a home run? .... He smelled like French fries. So my party came to an end. I should've been please with all my efforts. I sat back and looked at the remains of some chaos...A lot of mess...In the end, and although I finished my soiree without spilling too many drinks, I wasn't all that amazed...well, maybe a little. I even figured out what to do with TELESCOPIUM, CINCINNATUS and CAWCAWED. Want to know what? Nah.
This was a real workout for me but a rewarding solve. Thanks Rex for featuring Triple ENTENTE, a term I was unfamiliar with - one of several in this puzzle. I also got a nice laugh out of your CAWCAWED ZEN riff.
MOMCAVE was the next to last answer to fill in. No idea. But for the equal rights scoffer(s), mancave and womancave (or sheshed) are reciprocal. MOMCAVE would correspond to dadcave, as the sole identifying indicator of the owner/user.
CARBONDATES! Great!
Goofy error - I couldn’t see SHAMED or HOTSEAT for the life of me. I kept thinking potrest? Shaded? M for shamed was my final letter, even after ISIAH (not a sports whiz here), CINCINNATUS, and TELESCOPIUM.
Another goofy error - even after getting BULB I didn’t put in HALOGEN - I knew 60watt incandescents were no more, but…. Plus Fitin for GETTO. And “I said AT EASE.”
I had a problem with LIRA. Isn't it called the Turkish Lira, so named to distinguish it from the Lira, Italy's currency until 1999?
Also, ESIGNING would make a heck of a lot more sense to me if the clue was worded this way: "Indicating approval remotely"? I feel like the odd phrasing (wouldn't "Remote indication of approval" be, simply, ESIGN?) contributes to the puzzle's -ING problem, as Rex puts it.
"Fly, at times"? I got LURE by getting the across words. Aren't lures and flies different things? One fishes with lures, flies, or bait. Does anyone call bait a lure? Maybe I'm just angling for some sympathy here.
Bocamp, you mean ChatGTP steals what others have written.
Also, the theft is out of date. BadLy The GTI wasn’t the only Golf with a turbo. And now, there is no Golf GTI. Because VW nuked the base model Golf there no longer any need for the trim distinction.it’s only GTI these days. Other than that and the fact that the marketing speak is applicable to most other VW models and is hardly unique to,the GTI, I think your post really mailed it.
For "Find time for" I had FIT IN before GET TO, then along comes CARBON DATES with its clever clue. I find the "in a way" phrase annoying; why not just use a question mark?
[Spelling Bee: yd -1, missed this 5er. It took me forEVER to get the pangram!]
One of the anomalies of Google Blogger is that one can reply directly to a comment when in 'mobile version' mode (and it's threaded, along with subsequent comments), but unfortunately, in the 'web version' mode, the thread doesn't show up as expected. So, often, we see comments that seem out of context, and without an '@ username', it's not always easy to intuit the target. Those of us who blog via computer don't have the 'mobile version' option, but one can open the blog on their mobile device and scroll to the bottom to choose 'mobile version' to view the thread in context.
Here's a recap of the thread:
@Anonymous 8:10 AM wrote:
"Isn’t it spelled “Isaiah” and not “Isiah”?"
@Anonymous 8:36 AM replied
No
@Anonymous 9:20 AM wrote:
Anon 8:10 - The HOF basketball player Thomas spells his name, “Isiah”, although I would guess that the vast majority of people named Isaiah spell it as you suggest. Anon 8:36 - Clearly you knew this. Be kind. We Anons need to stick together and support each other, in a world filled with posters who know how to put in their names, pseudonyms and even pictures.
@Anonymous 9:50 AM wrote:
I answered the question concisely. ___ Peace 🕊 🇺🇦 ~ Compassion ~ Tolerance ~ Kindness, Freudenfreude & a DAP to all 👊 🙏
1960's trivia: CINCINNATUS was the name of the folksy innkeeper on the old "Daniel Boone" TV show (as witnessed here). And REMINDUS was the name of Daniel's wisecracking aide who kept track of his appointments. ("Don't forget your 11:30 Zoom with the Shawnee chief. Try not to yawn this time.")
I liked the difficulty this puzzle afforded but I didn't really like the puzzle itself. ARAM was the only gimme, and it didn't help much with anything. The NW corner held me up for a while; it took ages to occur to me that Thomas could be the point guard's last name. The middle didn't give me much trouble as it turned out.
The ACHILLES clue is clumsily worded - it sort of gives the impression he's the only person who has the body part in question. "Mythological figure for whom a body part is named" works better.
CAWCAWED has to be the absolute worst answer ever.
The halogen ban starts August 1, 2023 so shop now if you want to use them. Of course the ban will be repealed the next time a Republican wins the presidency.
The prudent thing to do in poker is look at your cards. Though there are those that want to play mind games with you and bet or raise without looking. So PeekER would be prudent.
Saying ‘pass’ may come up in the long slog of poker sessions where one gets tired of the same old ‘fold’ or ‘I’m out’ or throwing your cards at the dealer. But it’s just a word and not endemic to poker like so many comments already said.
ChatGPT isn't perfect, but I've found it to usually be quite reliable and sensible. When it makes mistakes, it owns up to them, apologizes and makes corrections.
As for stealing, not really. It uses what it's been trained on, which is much of what's available via open source and fair use material, weaving it into useful and creative responses.
Re: training:
"As an AI language model, my training consists of two main phases: pre-training and fine-tuning.
During the pre-training phase, I was trained on a large corpus of publicly available text from the internet. This corpus includes books, articles, websites, and other textual sources. The training objective was to predict the next word in a given sentence, which helps me learn grammar, facts, reasoning abilities, and some level of common sense.
The pre-training phase involves using a deep neural network model with a transformer architecture, specifically the GPT (Generative Pre-trained Transformer) architecture. This architecture allows me to understand and generate human-like text based on the patterns and information I learned from the training data.
After the pre-training phase, I go through a fine-tuning process. This involves training me on a more specific dataset with the help of human reviewers who follow guidelines provided by OpenAI. The fine-tuning process helps to narrow down my responses and align them with the intended use cases, ensuring I provide more accurate and relevant information to users.
It's important to note that while I strive to provide accurate and up-to-date information, my responses are generated based on patterns and knowledge available to me up until September 2021. Therefore, there may be more recent events or developments that I'm unaware of."
It's up to the user to fact-check (same as with anything on the Net) and provide feedback. I'll plug in your comments and see what it has to say.
ChatGPT will only continue to improve over time.
BTW, here's an ad webpage from Volkswagen re: 'The 2023 Golf GTI. ___ Peace 🕊 🇺🇦 ~ Compassion ~ Tolerance ~ Kindness, Freudenfreude & a DAP to all 👊 🙏
Here's what a blogger wrote in response to your Golf GTI write-up. What's your response to this blogger?
"Anonymous 1:24 PM
Bocamp, you mean ChatGTP steals what others have written.
Also, the theft is out of date. BadLy The GTI wasn’t the only Golf with a turbo. And now, there is no Golf GTI. Because VW nuked the base model Golf there no longer any need for the trim distinction.it’s only GTI these days. Other than that and the fact that the marketing speak is applicable to most other VW models and is hardly unique to,the GTI, I think your post really mailed it."
ChatGPT's response:
"As an AI language model, I don't "steal" or directly copy content from anyone. I generate responses based on a mixture of licensed data, data created by human trainers, and publicly available data. I strive to provide accurate and helpful information to the best of my abilities.
Regarding the specific points mentioned by the blogger:
Turbocharged Engines: It is true that the GTI wasn't the only Golf model with a turbocharged engine. In some regions and model years, other Golf variants have also been available with turbocharged engines. However, the GTI has traditionally been associated with higher-performance variants within the Golf lineup.
Golf GTI Trim: While it's true that Volkswagen has simplified the Golf lineup in recent years and eliminated some trim distinctions, the GTI remains a distinct and performance-oriented model. The GTI moniker continues to represent the high-performance variant of the Golf, featuring specific enhancements and characteristics beyond the base model.
Marketing Speak: The blogger points out that the marketing language used in my response could be applicable to many other VW models and may not be unique to the GTI. It is true that automakers often use similar marketing terms and language across their model range. However, the GTI has a long-standing reputation and specific features that make it distinct within the Volkswagen lineup.
I appreciate the blogger's feedback and understand their perspective. It is important to note that my responses are based on general information and might not capture every detail or nuance of a specific model or brand. I always recommend referring to official sources, such as the manufacturer's website or a dealership, for the most accurate and up-to-date information about a particular vehicle." ___ Peace 🕊 🇺🇦 ~ Compassion ~ Tolerance ~ Kindness, Freudenfreude & a DAP to all 👊 🙏
I also thought this was harder than @rex did, so I agree with those commenters. Go it with one look up, the network for Mad Men. I had ABC and just couldn’t make it work, obviously.
According to Books Ngram Viewer, ISIAH was cruising along at near zero until the '80s-'90s' where it had a slight bump. Maybe no coincidence that Thomas was starring with Detroit during those years. ___ Peace 🕊 🇺🇦 ~ Compassion ~ Tolerance ~ Kindness, Freudenfreude & a DAP to all 👊 🙏
Professional poker dealer here weighing in. While not used much anymore, I’m the old days (like the 70s and 80s, poker’s first heyday) “pass” was used interchangeably with “fold”. When I first moved to Las Vegas I heard it a lot from the grizzled contingent.
In my 40 years of playing poker, and I actually am solving this crossword WHILE playing poker, I have ever heard "I pass" uttered maybe twice. "I check", but never I pass.
Good grief, a puzzle where the constructor just makes up things or gves false clues is one that I cannot embrace. To wit: what is around wcake or even a cake round? The answers is nothing except in this puzzle. Second, "she shed" is awful, but it is the female version of man cave no matter what Mr Hawksley would like. Finally, Halogen bulbs are readily available, I just built an art loggia onto my house and halogen lighting was listed in pretty much every catalog I looked at. At least say "this puzzle has false clues and made up phrases" at the outset
I once dated carbon; we went window-shopping at Zale's. She oohed at a diamond ring, saying: "Oh, that's ME!"
OK, I'll stop. Tougher than easy-medium, for sure. Hardest was the SE; I just couldn't believe they'd cram that many -INGs into one tiny area. Four-way Jaws of Themelessness (yo, @M&A), and a couple nice entries, but not enough for all those -INGs. Bogey.
I’ll double down on Rex’s take - CINCINNATUS went right in and helped with that huge center and ORNAMENTING was the big side eye for me.
ReplyDeleteDaunting at first look - but a workable and pleasant solve. The center in Lester Ruff’s Stumper gets all the black this one is missing.
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CAW CAWED was kind of cute, and I also like Drop before bedtime for SUNSET. A lot of it just felt forced though - I guess ORNAMENTING is probably considered a word, but why force us to slog our way through that, especially with very little payoff in the SE section (see also TELESCOPIUM).
ReplyDeleteI initially thought “Not just track” as a clue for LOCATE was kind of a dud. If you are in fact tracking something, well what are you tracking - my vote would be its LOCATION. I must be missing something nuanced in the cluing - I’ll go with this: If you are tracking something, you may be aware that it is “in transit” without knowing its LOCATION - wow, I feel better now.
I am a poker player, and I’ve never heard “pass.” It’s “check.” That SW corner was a little off for me, with that plus CAW CAWED and MOM CAVE - for the reasons Rex mentions, except that I just hated CAW CAWED, not love-hated it.
ReplyDeleteOtherwise I liked it. I had fiT in before GET TO, and that held me up. I liked that straightforward clue (“find time for”) followed by the misdirection of “finds a time for” for CARBON DATES. Agree that HE STARTED IT is great, and a reminder of growing up the middle of three brothers (with two sisters coming later). Those blame-shifting words never achieved their purpose. “I don’t care WHO started it, cut it out right now!”
Easy-medium? Not for me. This was a real Saturday toughie.
ReplyDeletePuzzles bring pleasure in different ways. Yesterday’s, by Robyn Weintraub, brought it to me with humor and relatability. Today’s, by John Hawksley, brought it by making me work hard, by giving me high fulfillment through simply filling in empty spaces.
ReplyDeleteThat huge chasm of emptiness in the belly of today’s beast, well, you can’t expect its answers to be chosen for their entertainment value; to a constructor, simply filling it cleanly is a worthy goal. When you read John’s notes (in XwordInfo or WordPlay), you see the work that went into it, that month of preparation before even placing in the first word. And filling it in cleanly he did.
I love what resulted – from the arcane (TELESCOPIUM, HALOGEN BULBS, ORNAMENTING, and CINCINNATUS) to the everyday (HE STARTED IT, MAKE UP GAMES, POWER LIFTER, SETTING FREE).
The combination of out-of-wheelhouse and difficult clues presented a formidable gauntlet, just what I want Saturday’s puzzle to be, the hard workout of the week, where sweat brings sweet satisfaction. Pleasure. Thank you, John, for all you put into making this beauty!
@rex – “Zen, being Zen, doesn’t care” – Hah!
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ReplyDeleteLast square filled in was #19. I had tried SHAdED/dAIA and SHAgED/gAIA before realizing the only way it could make sense in both directions was SHAMED/MAIA.
Overwrites: pest before LURE at 8D, oRAM Khachaturian before ARAM at 9D, HOT oven before SEAT at 13A, TELESCOPIUs before -IUM at 14D, ratio before SCALE at 41A.
so...the implication, then...... would..be...
ReplyDelete...... that...
those of us womenfolk who are just out here trying to live our childless, spouseless, shedless lives .....
....what, don't get our own hovel to cave out etc. in?
did u know that when u don't have to hide from your loved ones in (seemingly.... unnecessarily kind of cramped? though?) nooks and/or crannies in order to have zen time, ur loved ones have no choice but to scour the whole earth whenever they inevitably decide to disrupt ur zen time?
did u know that zen time not motivated by hiding from ur life is just regular time
🩵🩵❤️ -- happy weekend, all
No, you (we) can still have a hovel. We just call it something else. Like "living room." Or "house."
DeleteThis looked hopeless (NW) until it didn't. My SW start had RATIO leading to OILY which of course didn't worke so then EELY lead to PAUPER which didn't work, and so on. Eventually straightened everything out and the middle went in pretty smoothly. POWERLIFTER did the, uh, heavy lifting and anchored all that fill settling down on top of it.
ReplyDeleteDid lots of ESIGNING when we sold our house and bought this place, so that was a gimme.
TELESCOPIUM? Really?
Seems like ACHILLES was just around here, but it would have made things easier if I hadn't read "eponymous" as "enormous". I mean, really.
Nice Saturday, JH. Just Hoped for something slightly more challenging, but certainly enjoyed myself. Thanks for all the fun.
I also did RATIO/OILY, and then added PINCHHITTER off the bench, which all seemed to fit until it didn’t.
DeleteIsn’t it spelled “Isaiah” and not “Isiah”?
ReplyDeleteNo
DeleteAnon 8:10 - The HOF basketball player Thomas spells his name, “Isiah”, although I would guess that the vast majority of people named Isaiah spell it as you suggest.
DeleteAnon 8:36 - Clearly you knew this. Be kind. We Anons need to stick together and support each other, in a world filled with posters who know how to put in their names, pseudonyms and even pictures.
I answered the question concisely.
DeleteAnon 8:36 & 9:50, perhaps you misunderstood my comment. Yes, your original response was correct. And concise. But it was not not kind. Nor was it helpful. Ask yourself, “What type of Anon do I want to be?”
DeleteAgree 100% with Wanderlust & Rex: PASSER is not a thing in poker. It’s “check.” And even that often isn’t “prudent” — a lot of times it’s a bluff to induce a bet. Why not clue it with a bridge reference if they wanted to go with cards vs football?
ReplyDeleteYou Pass in Bridge…you Check in Poker…
ReplyDelete“Passing” is not a thing in poker. Bet, check, raise, fold. That’s it.
ReplyDeleteAlthough it was many, many moons ago, when I served in the Army "STAND AT EASE" was commonly commanded. Some of the NCOs would use a more casual tone with, "At ease." Both resulted in the same action by the troops.
ReplyDeleteFinished it with one cheat (MAIA). I agree that PASSER is bad fill. "Check" is correct, albeit if you said "pass" you'd be understood. A much better clue, I think, would have been "One hoping for a reception."
ReplyDeleteNever heard of MOMCAVE. I guess that's a response to MANCAVE, with the parental aspect added. Can't have any gender discrimination, you know..
Agree that the football clue would have been much better.
DeleteMuch like yesterday: easy and entertaining.
ReplyDeleteSome of the cluing should definitely have been toughened up for a Saturday. “Rain check events” and “Liberating” are just too literal. PASSER is just a bad clue.
I used to drive a GTI, which if you knew my driving style would amuse you terribly. VW just happened to have a good sale on at the time I was buying. I lost it to a rear-ending on the DC Beltway. Traffic was stopping (as traffic does on the DC Beltway), and the guy behind me didn’t notice. He never even hit the brakes. Fortunately, there were no injuries, (and plenty of witnesses).
I was actually genuinely angry at PASSER. That is absolutely NOT A THING in poker. Unbelievably shoddy.
ReplyDelete@Southside Johnny 6:55 – if you are tracking e.g. an animal, you are following its tracks. You know where it has been, but not where it is. Until you locate it.
ReplyDelete@Anonymous 8:10 – No, it’s ISIAH. There is an ‘Isaiah’ Thomas, too, but he is not (and never will be) in the Hall of Fame.
Wow. Been awhile since I couldn't do the majority of a puzzle. All four corners were brutal and the center remained blank. Finally started Go-ogle to help fill it out. Oh well, not everything's for me.
ReplyDeleteHey, on a top secret note, I tried the Rao's spaghetti sauce while my Italian wife was out of town and it's nowhere near as good as her homemade sauce, but it's probably better than any of the restaurants around here, so in a pinch it'll SOAR.
Uniclues:
1 Jingle bells with bluetooth.
2 Retail outlet selling "JUICY" shorts.
3 Each person in Ireland at 8 am.
4 Every Denver Bronco quarterback except two. (And how 'bout them Denver Nuggets, eh?)
5 Go to the kitchen.
6 That one time when a politician lied.
7 God. Or physics.
1 SLEIGH ALARMS
2 HOT SEAT BUREAU
3 RED EYE GINGER
4 SHAMED PASSER
5 LOCATE MOM CAVE
6 ETHICS CAW-CAW-ED
7 SUNSET HANGER
What an idiot I am! I've kept the faith and worked like a dog and almost wrestled this bear of a puzzle to the ground and now -- with the $100,000 prize on the line -- I have ????? LIFTER. And WEIGHT doesn't fit. And my letters are P??EE. (Don't ask.)
ReplyDeleteI know AMC was the "Mad Men" channel. So the Zen retreat can't be a MAN CAVE. Is there such a thing as a MOM CAVE?
I never once question HIREe for the answer to "Headhunter's correspondent." Who else would a headhunter correspond with?
And I know the raven must have CAWED. That's what ravens do. But what are those mysterious first three letters? CATCAWED? Even when I try CAWCAWED -- whatever that means -- I still don't see it. That damned EE. It blinds me to everything, including POWER.
This was a good, tough puzzle. And I am a complete idiot.
FWIW - I had hiree for the longest time. When power showed I thought the whole was wrong until I looked at it and it was like Doh! Hirer is just as good…
DeleteThx, John, terrific construction; lots of crunch! 😊
ReplyDeleteVery hard (over 2x avg).
Tough finding footholds in all sections. Actually, I take that back; the NE wasn't that bad.
AbAsED before SHAMED; Pinch hItTER before POWER LIFTER; imo before TBH (led to one day before HANGER).
Clever clueing esp: the 'bench athlete'; 'Roast roost'; 'Certain Zen retreat'; 'Quoth the raven'; 'A drop before bedtime'; "That's an order'.
Totally mislead by TELESCOPIUM; was thinking musical 'instrument'. D'oh!
All in all, a worthy battle, and a gratifying last cell guess at the GTI / ENTENTE cross.
Good fun! :)
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On to Lester Ruff''s Sat. Stumper, with Fred Piscop's NYT' cryptic from xwordinfo.com on deck for Sun.
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Peace 🕊 🇺🇦 ~ Compassion ~ Tolerance ~ Kindness, Freudenfreude & a DAP to all 👊 🙏
Re: AMC. There's a term for what happened to it, an all too common occurrence in the world of cable television. It's called channel drift - when the original concept is abandoned in order to grab more viewers. In many cases, this change happens gradually.
ReplyDeletehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Channel_drift
AMC, TLC, The History Channel, HLN etc. all have drifted away from their origins.
Some drift so much they disappear, like WGN America morphing into a news network.
Hey All !
ReplyDeleteBest clue was for CARBON DATES (Finds a time for, in a way.) Nice!
Said "Holy Moly, look at that center!" when I opened the puz. Jumped in undaunted, but then was quickly daunted by getting hardly any answers first pass-through. Noticed the corners were all basically mini-puzs, so started on them. Got the NE first, SW second, NW third, and SE last. (Notice that SERIAL COMMA? 😁) Doing it that way led to some of the Center Mass of Blinding Whiteness to have letters in to work off. Turns out, wasn't as frightening as it seemed at first, and I managed to turn it from a snarling beast to a purring kitten.
Just shy of 30 minutes. Zippy, here. So why can I get good puz times, but get spanked on the SB? Silly brain.
Puz has complete rotational symmetry, so anyway you turn it, the Blockers are the same. Claim no responsibility if you turn your PC screen over and it breaks!
Same ratio/oiLY writeover as others. oATER-TATER (har), some other ones I forget.
Gotta GET TO it. Happy Weekend, all.
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I got BUREN (39A) not from Martin but from Law and Order lieutenant Anita Van Buren!
ReplyDeleteThis one was a bitch and a half.
ReplyDeleteCluing "passer" that way would be a crime on its own, but it becomes inexcusable when you pack the answer next to the past tense of a bird noise (what's next, "cockadoodledooed"?) and a cave term that was made up exclusively for this puzzle.
Next throw in telescopium and Cincinnatus, and it was over before it started.
I can usually tell on my first spin through the clues that it's going to be slow and unpleasant, and I wasn't wrong again today.
Never heard of AMC, so finished with ABC and Mob Cave, which didn’t sound like a zen retreat but mom didn’t occur to me. Sigh. I agree with all of the comments about passer — that’s bridge, not poker. A pretty obvious error.
ReplyDeleteI learnt something: I knew Maia as the mother of Hermès (cf 42D) but not as embodiment of growth, which would make her a goddess of spring.
ReplyDeleteTough but doable, my favorite kind of Saturday. TELESCOPIUM and CINCINNATUS were the biggest challenges for me. I briefly joined @Nancy with having my headhunter talk to a HIREE vs. ER but I saved by old friends AMC, Tom SAWYER and the EVERLY Brothers showing me the way to CAWCAWED.
ReplyDeleteOLES close to HOT SEAT put me in the mind of this hot hot hot blast from the past.
I really wanted Nevermore to fit as the "raven quoth." And Van Halen and Van Cleef first. Love the backspace.
ReplyDeleteHere's a funny scene related to the grid:
ReplyDeletehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-A9U_Y3L7XU
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Also, I had ABC before AMC which resulted in MOBCAVE -- where the mafiosi go to relax after a tough hit.
Ha!
DeleteI'm normally the last person to hear about some new coinage, so I'm surprised at how many have not heard of MOM CAVES. I never saw the show, but saw commercials for a TV show of that name (on HGTV?) and the term pops up on the idiotic MSN feed from time to time.
ReplyDeleteI had vaguely heard of MOM CAVE, but looked it up after solving, and it is very much a thing. There is even a MOM CAVE channel, devoted to "movies made by moms for moms." Rex is right about the zen part, though, which applies only metaphorically. But then Jon Stewart used to give us a "moment of Zen" which had little to do with Buddhism either.
ReplyDeleteI didn't know POWER LIFTing was a sport, either -- thought it just meant someone who could lift a lot. I actually double-checked the constructor's name to make sure it wasn't Stella Zawistowski.
On the poker thing, I haven't played the game for years, but even thought one says "check," could we say that one saying that is passing, and therefore a PASSER?
I didn't mind ORNAMENTING, which I took as a participle rather than a gerund; but I always think something on the order of cluing TIRING as 'draining' is inelegant.
My biggest problem was ratio crossing oiLY, which really messed up that corner.
After solving this puzzle, I'm on tenterhooks wondering which BRONTE said that thing about souls. If anyone here knows, please tell!
Hand up for pain in the SW for incorrectly clued PASSER alongside CAWCAWED.
ReplyDeleteI felt like I was on telescOPIUM during this solve.
I enjoyed CARBON DATES.
ReplyDeleteI hate hate hated MOM CAVE, as I hate man caves and she sheds. As if men’s and women’s leisure time and interests couldn’t possibly overlap…
As a general note, a lot of the Southern constellations are named for instruments. I swear I am not making these up:
ReplyDeleteMicroscopium (the microscope)
Antlia (the air pump)
Circinus (the drafting compass)
Norma (the carpenter's square)
Sextus (the sextant)
Q: You say that 007 ingested a motor vehicle? What was it?
ReplyDeleteM: Well, the CARBONDATESeems to have been a Volkswagen GTI.
If you can’t STAND A TEASE, get out of the MOMCAVE, I say.
Tree beard from LOTR got together with his raven friend to sing some duets. So while the raven CAWCAWED, the ENTENTEd.
I guess this puzzle was quite a technical feat. I can’t wait to solve our first crossword with no black squares. Probably won’t be a ton o’ whooshing on that one. Not that there was here either. But thanks for a pretty good time, John Hawksley.
Van halen
ReplyDeleteVery easy for me today, maybe a Saturday best. I have a futon SLEIGH frame in my library so that went right in after confirming with GEL. I wasn’t sure about MAIA but red-faced wasn’t going to be SHAgED so MAIA it was.
ReplyDeleteHALOGEN BULB led me to BUREN but I didn’t put it in because I thought the clue was too, I don’t know, disrespectful? for referring to a president's name. Hah, here I am worrying about respecting the presidency, aren't I silly!
I hesitated on TELESCOPIUM - I think of the constellations as having been named before telescopes were around. Google tells me it was named by a French astronomer in 1751 or so, who was indeed using a telescope. (It's near the constellation Microscopium, probably not the instrument used to observe it).
SUNSET as a drop before bedtime struck me as oddly clued. That could only work in a puzzle in ETE because in winter the sun sets so much earlier than my bedtime that it would make little sense.
I liked the clue for CARBON DATES. And CAW-CAWED made me smile. I often try to CAW at the crows I hear. But I have to look around first. Once I was cawing in my front yard and someone was walking by. I can only imagine she went home to tell the tale of the crazy neighbor lady. (I've never been able to decide if the crows are actually acknowledging me or not. Probably not.)
Thanks, John Hawksley, for a pleasant Saturday puzzle.
On the tough side for me. The top was a tad easier than the bottom. oiLY (and ratio - hi @jberg) before EELY was painful in the SW and GINGko before GINGER slowed me down in the SE. Plus me too for HIREe and questioning AMC. Didn’t hate it.
ReplyDeleteI failed to mention 'Finds time for…' as one of my favs (thx @Roo).
ReplyDeleteWanted rAiSER for PASSER; a raise could be a 'Prudent' move in poker. 🤔
@Liveprof (10:09 AM) 😂
Can't STAND A TEASE! Good one @egs, Andrew. :)
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Re: Golf Grand Tourer Injection’ or ‘Golf GTI’ for short:
ChatGPT writes:
"The Volkswagen GTI is a compact sports hatchback that is part of the Volkswagen Golf lineup. GTI stands for "Grand Touring Injection" and represents the high-performance variant of the Golf model. The GTI is known for its sporty design, agile handling, and powerful performance.
Here are some key features and characteristics commonly associated with the Volkswagen GTI:
Performance: The GTI is often praised for its lively performance. It is equipped with a turbocharged engine that delivers a balance of power and efficiency. The exact engine specifications can vary across different generations and model years, but the GTI typically offers a sporty driving experience with responsive acceleration.
Sporty Styling: The GTI has a distinctive and aggressive appearance that sets it apart from the standard Golf models. It often features unique design elements like a honeycomb grille, red accents, sporty body kit, dual exhaust tips, and larger alloy wheels. The interior of the GTI usually combines sportiness with comfort and offers features like sport seats, a flat-bottomed steering wheel, and unique GTI branding.
Handling and Driving Dynamics: The GTI is lauded for its precise handling and excellent driving dynamics. It typically comes with sport-tuned suspension, upgraded brakes, and a responsive steering system. These enhancements contribute to a more engaging driving experience, allowing the driver to enjoy spirited cornering and nimble maneuverability.
Interior Features: The GTI usually offers a well-appointed interior with a range of features and technologies. This can include amenities such as touchscreen infotainment systems, smartphone integration, advanced driver-assistance systems, climate control, and high-quality materials throughout the cabin. The GTI also tends to have ample cargo space, thanks to its hatchback design.
GTI Community and Legacy: The Volkswagen GTI has developed a strong following and has become an icon in the hot hatch segment. It has a rich heritage dating back to its introduction in the 1970s, and it continues to be a popular choice among enthusiasts who appreciate its blend of performance, practicality, and affordability.
It's important to note that specific features, performance specifications, and design elements can vary depending on the model year and regional availability. For the most accurate and up-to-date information on the Volkswagen GTI, it is recommended to refer to official Volkswagen sources or consult with a Volkswagen dealership."
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Pleasingly challenging for me. I started out with CINCINNATUS all alone in a white field; decamped to the SE, where LIRA x LINEN gave me what I needed; then up to the NE, where AR?M x EMIT did the same there. Then, a struggle. In the SW, it took me a long time to build anything from EVERLY x EELY, especially with an incorrect ManCAVE. But eventually MOM and the wonderful CAWCAWED broke open the center section for me, and I ascended on HALOGEN BULB to the NW and a finish at MAIA. Very satisfying! I liked the cold-weather SLEIGH over HOT SEAT, thought CARBON DATES was terrific, and got a laugh out of the totally unexpected TELESCOPIUM.
ReplyDeleteRe: CINCINNATUS - I learned about him on a visit to "his" city, where there is a wonderful, full-building-sized mural dedicated to him. It's a trompe l'oeil tour de force - I encourage you to take a look: none of the architectural elements are real; everything is painted on an unbroken flat surface.
Do-over: fiT in before GET TO. Help from previous puzzles: TATER. No idea: GTI, MAIA.
Emily Bronte. Wuthering Heights.
ReplyDeleteOOH & AAH👍🏼😉
ReplyDeleteCARBON DATES is my nominee for misdirected clue of the week & Will's crew gets special thanks for letting it PASS without a question mark. Wish the editors had had the same response to BUREN: that would then be Saturday tough as opposed to the president quiz for today’s entry. But what an aha moment it would provide?
Confused about the banned halogen bulb. Seems like you can buy all you want at Home Depot, Amazon, etc.
ReplyDeleteDitto. When did halogen bulbs get banned?
Delete@jberg Amazon has some lovely posters of Emily Brontë’s quote.
ReplyDelete@kitchef (10:30)
ReplyDeleteThe Florida legislature just voted to remove Sextus from the ski over Florida.
Geez, Rex . . . come on! “What’s to like” with CINCINNATUS? Great (cross)word! ! Same with TELESCOPIUM! I thought the whole central stack was wonderful and the intersecting verticals worked fine, too. TBH, I think you’re way too hard to please. Thanks, John Hawksley, for a fun, Saturday-appropriate puzzle. Any mention of Don & Phil (EVERLY) is sure to make me smile.
ReplyDeleteI'm guessing that there are no poker players on the NYTXW editorial team. I played my first poker game in 1964. Lost all my money! I played my most recent game last night. Won $15. Woo-hoo! In poker you can check, bet, call, raise or fold. My favorite card game where one is a PASSER is Hearts.
ReplyDeleteAlthough zen is usually associated with Buddhism, it is not limited to any one religion or philosophy. Nor is it limited to any particular place, so the MOM CAVE connection seemed a little unwarranted. For anyone interested in learning zen, I would recommend "Zen Training: Methods and Philosophy" by Katsuki Sekida (1893-1987). He was a Japanese citizen and life-long zen devotee plus he was an English teacher so his writing is very accessible to English speaking westerners.
Caw Cawed is bad. Otherwise, really enjoyed this.
ReplyDeleteTriple Entente. If you've never seen the PBS series on WWI, you can stream it on Amazon Prime. Watch the last episode at least. It's a wonder democracy outlasted Woodrow Wilson.
I neither hated nor loved this puzzle, but finished it slightly faster than my average Saturday time. It wasn’t particularly hard or particularly easy. I did love CAWCAWED and BUREN, though it it was an overwrite from guard for me. Found ACHILLES surprisingly elusive, had to look at a list of Constellations for TELESCOPIUM, which unlocked the whole center for me. I absolutely despise EELY (terrible crosswordese, never used by any person ever. Eels are slippery, not eely) and cast about vainly for something Zen about the Cave in question (yoga? Meditation? Karma?) before grudgingly settling on Mom Cave, which I, as a suburban mom, with an actual shed in my back yard (not very Zen, unfortunately - it’s my home office) have never ever heard of.
ReplyDeleteTELESCOPIUM, CINCINNATUS, and CAWCAWED (please note my Oxford comma)....What to do with you...Did the PASSER at my front door let you into my party? HE did. You don't look particularly well-dressed. Will you contribute to the liveliness of my little soiree? You didn't. I did, though, dance a fandango tango with the rest of the gang.
ReplyDeleteThere's something delightful when you get a 1A and a 1D on a Saturday. It pumped me up. The whole top left and I did well together. I even danced with the top right. ALARMS did go off because I smelled a rat lurking somewhere. The TCC trio. Who are you? I'll leave you alone and mingle with the rest.
So I had several oops. Why weren't you a dad CAVE? A mom belongs in a SHE SHED...Ahh, but look! I was saved by "Mad Men." Of course I was. I was always drawn to that gang and I knew you were from AMC. MOM! It's you!.
Where did I trip? HALOGEN. I stared at you and felt you needed a LAMP. You didn't seem happy at all. I'll change your BULB. That worked.
Little by little my dancing party was coming to an end. I tripped a bit. I cheated on TATER. Man, was he a stinker...Is he actually a home run? .... He smelled like French fries.
So my party came to an end. I should've been please with all my efforts. I sat back and looked at the remains of some chaos...A lot of mess...In the end, and although I finished my soiree without spilling too many drinks, I wasn't all that amazed...well, maybe a little. I even figured out what to do with TELESCOPIUM, CINCINNATUS and CAWCAWED. Want to know what? Nah.
This was a real workout for me but a rewarding solve. Thanks Rex for featuring Triple ENTENTE, a term I was unfamiliar with - one of several in this puzzle. I also got a nice laugh out of your CAWCAWED ZEN riff.
ReplyDeleteMOMCAVE was the next to last answer to fill in. No idea. But for the equal rights scoffer(s), mancave and womancave (or sheshed) are reciprocal. MOMCAVE would correspond to dadcave, as the sole identifying indicator of the owner/user.
CARBONDATES! Great!
Goofy error - I couldn’t see SHAMED or HOTSEAT for the life of me. I kept thinking potrest? Shaded? M for shamed was my final letter, even after ISIAH (not a sports whiz here), CINCINNATUS, and TELESCOPIUM.
Another goofy error - even after getting BULB I didn’t put in HALOGEN - I knew 60watt incandescents were no more, but…. Plus Fitin for GETTO. And “I said AT EASE.”
@anon 8:36
ReplyDeleteWhat post are you saying No to? Please identify the post by its time.
You CHECK not PASS in poker.
ReplyDeleteI had a problem with LIRA. Isn't it called the Turkish Lira, so named to distinguish it from the Lira, Italy's currency until 1999?
ReplyDeleteAlso, ESIGNING would make a heck of a lot more sense to me if the clue was worded this way: "Indicating approval remotely"? I feel like the odd phrasing (wouldn't "Remote indication of approval" be, simply, ESIGN?) contributes to the puzzle's -ING problem, as Rex puts it.
"Fly, at times"? I got LURE by getting the across words. Aren't lures and flies different things? One fishes with lures, flies, or bait. Does anyone call bait a lure? Maybe I'm just angling for some sympathy here.
Bocamp, you mean ChatGTP steals what others have written.
ReplyDeleteAlso, the theft is out of date. BadLy The GTI wasn’t the only Golf with a turbo.
And now, there is no Golf GTI. Because VW nuked the base model Golf there no longer any need for the trim distinction.it’s only GTI these days.
Other than that and the fact that the marketing speak is applicable to most other VW models and is hardly unique to,the GTI, I think your post really mailed it.
TELESCOPIUM? Really?
ReplyDeleteFor "Find time for" I had FIT IN before GET TO, then along comes CARBON DATES with its clever clue. I find the "in a way" phrase annoying; why not just use a question mark?
[Spelling Bee: yd -1, missed this 5er. It took me forEVER to get the pangram!]
@Anonymous (1:00 PM)
ReplyDeleteOne of the anomalies of Google Blogger is that one can reply directly to a comment when in 'mobile version' mode (and it's threaded, along with subsequent comments), but unfortunately, in the 'web version' mode, the thread doesn't show up as expected. So, often, we see comments that seem out of context, and without an '@ username', it's not always easy to intuit the target. Those of us who blog via computer don't have the 'mobile version' option, but one can open the blog on their mobile device and scroll to the bottom to choose 'mobile version' to view the thread in context.
Here's a recap of the thread:
@Anonymous 8:10 AM wrote:
"Isn’t it spelled “Isaiah” and not “Isiah”?"
@Anonymous 8:36 AM replied
No
@Anonymous 9:20 AM wrote:
Anon 8:10 - The HOF basketball player Thomas spells his name, “Isiah”, although I would guess that the vast majority of people named Isaiah spell it as you suggest.
Anon 8:36 - Clearly you knew this. Be kind. We Anons need to stick together and support each other, in a world filled with posters who know how to put in their names, pseudonyms and even pictures.
@Anonymous 9:50 AM wrote:
I answered the question concisely.
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1960's trivia:
ReplyDeleteCINCINNATUS was the name of the folksy innkeeper on the old "Daniel Boone" TV show (as witnessed here). And REMINDUS was the name of Daniel's wisecracking aide who kept track of his appointments. ("Don't forget your 11:30 Zoom with the Shawnee chief. Try not to yawn this time.")
I liked the difficulty this puzzle afforded but I didn't really like the puzzle itself. ARAM was the only gimme, and it didn't help much with anything. The NW corner held me up for a while; it took ages to occur to me that Thomas could be the point guard's last name. The middle didn't give me much trouble as it turned out.
The ACHILLES clue is clumsily worded - it sort of gives the impression he's the only person who has the body part in question. "Mythological figure for whom a body part is named" works better.
CAWCAWED has to be the absolute worst answer ever.
The halogen ban starts August 1, 2023 so shop now if you want to use them. Of course the ban will be repealed the next time a Republican wins the presidency.
ReplyDeleteFor John B,: The word "lure" is broad enough to incorporate flies, shiny metals, feathers, and anything else that attracts fish.
ReplyDeleteThe prudent thing to do in poker is look at your cards. Though there are those that want to play mind games with you and bet or raise without looking. So PeekER would be prudent.
ReplyDeleteSaying ‘pass’ may come up in the long slog of poker sessions where one gets tired of the same old ‘fold’ or ‘I’m out’ or throwing your cards at the dealer. But it’s just a word and not endemic to poker like so many comments already said.
The "note: Zen, being Zen, doesn't care" parenthetical made me laugh aloud. I love a good personified abstract. Thanks.
ReplyDelete@Anonymous (1:24 PM)
ReplyDeleteThx for your comment. :)
ChatGPT isn't perfect, but I've found it to usually be quite reliable and sensible. When it makes mistakes, it owns up to them, apologizes and makes corrections.
As for stealing, not really. It uses what it's been trained on, which is much of what's available via open source and fair use material, weaving it into useful and creative responses.
Re: training:
"As an AI language model, my training consists of two main phases: pre-training and fine-tuning.
During the pre-training phase, I was trained on a large corpus of publicly available text from the internet. This corpus includes books, articles, websites, and other textual sources. The training objective was to predict the next word in a given sentence, which helps me learn grammar, facts, reasoning abilities, and some level of common sense.
The pre-training phase involves using a deep neural network model with a transformer architecture, specifically the GPT (Generative Pre-trained Transformer) architecture. This architecture allows me to understand and generate human-like text based on the patterns and information I learned from the training data.
After the pre-training phase, I go through a fine-tuning process. This involves training me on a more specific dataset with the help of human reviewers who follow guidelines provided by OpenAI. The fine-tuning process helps to narrow down my responses and align them with the intended use cases, ensuring I provide more accurate and relevant information to users.
It's important to note that while I strive to provide accurate and up-to-date information, my responses are generated based on patterns and knowledge available to me up until September 2021. Therefore, there may be more recent events or developments that I'm unaware of."
It's up to the user to fact-check (same as with anything on the Net) and provide feedback. I'll plug in your comments and see what it has to say.
ChatGPT will only continue to improve over time.
BTW, here's an ad webpage from Volkswagen re: 'The 2023 Golf GTI.
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@Anonymous (1:24 PM)
ReplyDeleteMy question to ChatGPT:
Here's what a blogger wrote in response to your Golf GTI write-up. What's your response to this blogger?
"Anonymous 1:24 PM
Bocamp, you mean ChatGTP steals what others have written.
Also, the theft is out of date. BadLy The GTI wasn’t the only Golf with a turbo.
And now, there is no Golf GTI. Because VW nuked the base model Golf there no longer any need for the trim distinction.it’s only GTI these days.
Other than that and the fact that the marketing speak is applicable to most other VW models and is hardly unique to,the GTI, I think your post really mailed it."
ChatGPT's response:
"As an AI language model, I don't "steal" or directly copy content from anyone. I generate responses based on a mixture of licensed data, data created by human trainers, and publicly available data. I strive to provide accurate and helpful information to the best of my abilities.
Regarding the specific points mentioned by the blogger:
Turbocharged Engines: It is true that the GTI wasn't the only Golf model with a turbocharged engine. In some regions and model years, other Golf variants have also been available with turbocharged engines. However, the GTI has traditionally been associated with higher-performance variants within the Golf lineup.
Golf GTI Trim: While it's true that Volkswagen has simplified the Golf lineup in recent years and eliminated some trim distinctions, the GTI remains a distinct and performance-oriented model. The GTI moniker continues to represent the high-performance variant of the Golf, featuring specific enhancements and characteristics beyond the base model.
Marketing Speak: The blogger points out that the marketing language used in my response could be applicable to many other VW models and may not be unique to the GTI. It is true that automakers often use similar marketing terms and language across their model range. However, the GTI has a long-standing reputation and specific features that make it distinct within the Volkswagen lineup.
I appreciate the blogger's feedback and understand their perspective. It is important to note that my responses are based on general information and might not capture every detail or nuance of a specific model or brand. I always recommend referring to official sources, such as the manufacturer's website or a dealership, for the most accurate and up-to-date information about a particular vehicle."
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I also thought this was harder than @rex did, so I agree with those commenters. Go it with one look up, the network for Mad Men. I had ABC and just couldn’t make it work, obviously.
ReplyDeletesince when is Cincinnati in the midwest
ReplyDelete@Anonymous 4:37 pm:
DeletePrior to the Lewis and Clark expedition.
Hey, Rex/Michael/Pseudonymous…
ReplyDelete4 of my comments today either not posted or taken down quickly.
It’s the end of the day, most of your readers aren’t checking today’s edition any more - you think you might approve/STET comment #5?
Or can’t you STAND A TEASE?
Re: ISIAH:
ReplyDeleteAccording to Books Ngram Viewer, ISIAH was cruising along at near zero until the '80s-'90s' where it had a slight bump. Maybe no coincidence that Thomas was starring with Detroit during those years.
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Professional poker dealer here weighing in. While not used much anymore, I’m the old days (like the 70s and 80s, poker’s first heyday) “pass” was used interchangeably with “fold”. When I first moved to Las Vegas I heard it a lot from the grizzled contingent.
ReplyDeleteIn my 40 years of playing poker, and I actually am solving this crossword WHILE playing poker, I have ever heard "I pass" uttered maybe twice. "I check", but never I pass.
ReplyDeleteGood grief, a puzzle where the constructor just makes up things or gves false clues is one that I cannot embrace.
ReplyDeleteTo wit: what is around wcake or even a cake round? The answers is nothing except in this puzzle. Second, "she shed" is awful, but it is the female version of man cave no matter what Mr Hawksley would like.
Finally, Halogen bulbs are readily available, I just built an art loggia onto my house and halogen lighting was listed in pretty much every catalog I looked at.
At least say "this puzzle has false clues and made up phrases" at the outset
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ReplyDeleteETHICS HOTSEAT
ReplyDeleteGINGER would MAKEUPGAMES
TO REMINDUS her DATES are FREE,
SETTING her UP for SHAME,
NAE, Professor can't STAND_A_TEASE.
--- ISIAH SAWYER
Chip away and chip away until done. Did have to change ratio to SCALEand imo to TBH. Mary Ann or GINGER?
ReplyDeleteWordle bogey on third shot at BGGGG.
I once dated carbon; we went window-shopping at Zale's. She oohed at a diamond ring, saying: "Oh, that's ME!"
ReplyDeleteOK, I'll stop. Tougher than easy-medium, for sure. Hardest was the SE; I just couldn't believe they'd cram that many -INGs into one tiny area. Four-way Jaws of Themelessness (yo, @M&A), and a couple nice entries, but not enough for all those -INGs. Bogey.
Wordle birdie.
Looked up a couple of errors - then all went fine for a puz with lots of long answers.
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