Relative difficulty: somewhat harder than your typical Tuez puzz
Theme answers:
- "ALIEN VS. PREDATOR" (17A: Face-off a 2014 science fiction film)
- "GODZILLA VS. KONG" (26A: Face-off in a 2021 monster film)
- "KRAMER VS. KRAMER" (45A: Face-off in a 1979 courtroom drama film)
Godzilla vs. Kong is a 2021 American monster film directed by Adam Wingard. A sequel to Kong: Skull Island (2017) and Godzilla: King of the Monsters (2019); it is the fourth film in Legendary Pictures' MonsterVerse, the 36th film in the Godzilla franchise, the 12th film in the King Kong franchise, and the fourth Godzilla film to be completely produced by an American film studio. The film stars Alexander Skarsgård, Millie Bobby Brown, Rebecca Hall, Brian Tyree Henry, Shun Oguri, Eiza González, Julian Dennison, Lance Reddick, Kyle Chandler, and Demián Bichir. In the film, Kong clashes with Godzilla after humans move the ape from Skull Island to the Hollow Earth, homeworld of the monsters known as "Titans", to retrieve a power source for a secret weapon intended to stop Godzilla's mysterious rampages. (wikipedia)
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Well, "GODZILLA VS. KONG," despite being the most recent of these films, left absolutely no impression on my brain, and that was pretty much the heart of the problem for me, theme-wise. That is, the other two movies seemed iconic, and that one seemed ... pfft, like nothing. The 36th Godzilla film, who cares? I see that it made over $400M and had some very good actors in it (Brian Tyree Henry?! I almost want to see it now), but I wrote in "GODZILLA VS." and then ... nothing. This is in part because my Morning Brain could not not not make sense of 19D: Showy basket. I kept picturing Easter baskets. I had DUN- and *still* had no idea how the hell that could be a "basket." This deprived me of the "K" I (desperately) needed to get KONG, which ... is only half a "monster." Without the KING, and without the initial "K," no way I was getting to KONG. It's a very good thing I actually remembered what the hell NGRAM was (30D: Google ___ Viewer (tool for charting word frequency over time)), because I really needed that "N" to make "KONG" become visible. And to finally see that DUNK was a basketball clue all along, d'oh! Anyway, "GODZILLA VS. KONG" feels like a weak link here. I know the puzzle wants me to think the first themer is a "science fiction film" and the "GODZILLA" one a "monster film" but they are both obviously monster films and this theme set would've been much better if there'd been one less monster film. Would've made the set more varied, and made "KRAMER VS. KRAMER" seem like less of a weird outlier. But I guess you gotta find another "VS." film that's 14 letters long, to match "Kramer," so ... we get "GODZILLA VS. KONG." Maybe that's the joke—that "Kramer" is an outlier? There's a sort of silly energy to the whole conceit, which is fine, but the themer set needed ... something. Another monster film to set up the joke of "Kramer" or a thematically broader set of movies or ... something.
The fill was the thing that really bugged me early on. Hadn't seen ANIL in so long I went back to confusing it with ARIL—both words are old-school crosswordese and back when you'd see them a lot, I think I had worked out a way to remember what the difference was, but today, I wrote in ARIL, which is a seed covering, I guess. I remember that. Now. And DIT, ugh, wow, we're doing Morse code junk again in the year 2023!? I don't like VEAL, I don't eat VEAL, I don't particularly want to see VEAL in the grid, but I sure as hell would prefer DET (as an abbr. for "Detroit" or "detective" or whatever), to DIT, so bring on the VEAL, if you must, or else just rework the short stuff up top, it can't be hard, why in the world are we dealing with junk like ANIL and DIT in an easy-to-fill Tuesday grid? After you get out of the NW, and if you ignore NGRAM, the fill does improve a bit, and the four longer Downs are solid enough (OPEN MIND is actually quite good). Oh, and I think PARADOX / COTERIE make a lovely central pairing—goes a long way to making up for the ANIL / DIT nonsense.
Cluing seemed somewhat harder than usual for a Tuesday (see that DUNK clue, for instance, LOL). Also, [Green movement?] for PUTT, which I like. I did not know that earth was CHAOS, or rather ... I was thinking it was a void, and I couldn't remember what the actual (English) word was. Hmm, I'm reading Genesis I (KJV) and not seeing the word CHAOS. I do see "void," though, so I feel better about my memory. I'm sure CHAOS is in there somewhere. It's in Paradise Lost, so it must be biblical. Milton wouldn't mess something like that up. Probably. My one non-KONG-related error today was AFRO, written in off the "R," at 13D: Wavy do (PERM). I know, I know, AFRO's don't really have "waves," exactly, but apparently I have a crossword curly hairdo reflex that defaults to AFRO (since it's a far far far far more common crossword answer than PERM). If I'd known or cared in any way about "GODZILLA VS. KONG," maybe this crossword would've been more of a pleasure to solve. But I think I'd still see that title as a weak link. Not iconic enough on its own, not different enough in kind (i.e. genre) from "ALIEN VS. PREDATOR." But I do give the puzzle credit for trying to do something weird and original here.
Signed, Rex Parker, King of CrossWorld
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ReplyDeleteAbout normal Tuesday difficulty. Like @Rex, I had DUN- and no clue about the basket, but unlike OFL I blanked on NGRAM too. But with VS-O-G I inferred KONG because ... well, what else could it be with the "VS." in place at 17A? Nice little "aha moment" for DUNK.
Kealoas: Six letters meaning "kicks out" (25D) can be EjeCTS or EVICTS A four-letter Web site E--Y (40D) can be EtsY or EBAY.
I haven’t seen GODZILLA VS KONG. But I remember, as a kid, watching the 1962 original, "King Kong vs. Godzilla". Like the original Godzilla, it was a Japanese movie with poorly dubbed English. But my friends and I didn’t go for the dialogue. All we cared about was who’s gonna win this epic battle. Incredibly, now I can’t remember who emerged victorious. Hmm…priorities change. Now, at my advanced age, I only care about the really important stuff, like who’s gonna be next season’s Bachelorette.
ReplyDeleteAnyway, I disagree with Rex. I liked this puzzle and thought all the themed movies were legitimate.
Kong won the first battle.
DeleteI was expecting just a dull “____ VS ____” theme after getting the first themer. “BREAK IT UP, YOU TWO!” at the end was a nice surprise.
ReplyDeleteI liked seeing the 22A clue/answer because I’m on the spectrum myself.
I was always partial to GODZILLA VS. Smog Monster, so a missed opportunity for me. KONG got dragged into so many of those kinds of movies - really would have enjoyed seeing old Smogsy enjoy a day in the sun.
ReplyDeleteFRAU - JA: DURER - NEIN, BITTE.
@Conrad, your first paragraph describes my experience at the end of the puzzle to a T (or to a K and an N). Except that when I had the aha moment and filled in KONG, I didn’t get happy music. I had put in TORE DOWN for “razed” and failed to check the cross (AeY).
ReplyDeleteAnd for your six-letter “kicks out” kealoa, add ExileS, which was my first guess. So I am bringing back the kealoaulu for that one. (Ulu being the third Mauna listed on Wikipedia.)
I liked it, and I DO think the seemingly odd inclusion of KRAMER VS KRAMER works on a humorous level. I imagine the violent, city-destroying battles between alien and predator, and between Godzilla and Kong, then I think of giant Dustin Hoffman and Meryl Streep physically battling over the NYC skyline, crushing the Empire State Building and such. BREAK IT UP, YOU TWO indeed.
Rex, I thought CHAOS would be CHAsm, which sounds more like a void. So according to the Bible, it was just a few years between CHAOS and ABEL (considering a couple of pregnancies for Eve), the first murder victim.
Fond childhood memories of hiking the HILLs and canoeing the rivers of the OZARKs. Watching the show with Jason Bateman and Laura Linney has shown me a whole different side of the place.
Revealer felt forced to me, and I think the puzzle might have been better served with no revealer but a fourth themer (anyone remember Wife vs. Secretary?)
ReplyDeleteA pair of non-kealoas today: naan before ROTI, como before KATY. And I wonder what the age cutoff is for thinking of ‘como’ first.
One genuine kealoa with EjeCTS before EVICTS.
The PARADOX clue reminded me of one of my favorites. How many errors are in the sentence below:
This sentance has three erors.
To each his own. I agree with Lewis. The revealer made me chuckle. All themes
Deleteare a bit forced. This one doesn't seem any more so than usual.
Second verse of Genesis. v'haaretz haya tohu v'bohu"--and the earth was void and without form. Which pretty much adds up to chaos, but throw in an s for that second apostrophe, and you have another theme answer: Face off in a Biblical epic:TOHUVSBOHU.
ReplyDeleteThere is probably a Bible translation that renders tohu v bohu as chaos, but none of mine.
Well, I figured it must be KONG when Mothra wouldn’t fit. But that got me thinking about those two tiny women who would sing a song that made Mothra appear. I don’t think King Kong ever had backup singers.
ReplyDeleteI showed my (old) age by entering Como for 48 Down, "Singer Perry." Had to laugh when I realized the 2023 answer.
ReplyDeleteMe too! And at first Katy made no sense to me.
DeleteLove it! !!!
DeleteMany things struck me about this puzzle. ERA crossing EZRA. The golf echo with PUTT and TRAP. The lovely smile-producing revealer – BREAK IT UP, YOU TWO! – which elevated the theme, when a simple fourth “X vs. Y” theme answer could have been used instead. Even the unusual repetition of an out-of-the-ordinary clue in less than two weeks – [Green movement] for PUTT.
ReplyDeleteBut what struck me most of all were the flashes of beauty that lined the path. Answers like AZURE, COTERIE, WIELD, and even CHAOS. These so enrich a solving journey, I believe. They’re like that memorable bloom that lights up a stroll, that color on a sweater that just makes you think “Oh, gorgeous”, or that pair of eyes on a stranger that make you grateful to be alive.
Kafka said, “Youth is happy because it has the capacity to see beauty. Anyone who keeps the ability to see beauty never grows old.”
Cleverness, wordplay, humor, and constructing masterstrokes all contribute to a puzzle’s value, and, IMO, just as greatly, so do flashes of beauty. Thank you for peppering this puzzle with beauty today, Kiran, and congratulations on your NYT puzzle debut. This was most lovely!
Lovely words Lewis!
DeleteThis started off badly with 1A. The clue limits the answer; it has to be "according to the Bible," and nowhere in Genesis 1:1 does the word CHAOS appear. Not even in the awful new versions. It describes that moment as "without form and void." So, just asking: WTF? You might infer CHAOS from that description, but "according to the Bible," uh-uh.
ReplyDeleteOverall, though, solid theme and really good fill. I enjoyed both Rex's meditation on the role of Kong and @SouthsideJohnny's longing for Smogmonster. I loved the early jerky, oddly dubbed Japanese monster movies--for their odd dubbing and jerkiness.
I don't understand Rex's complaining about the overall fill. Basically, he disliked DIT and ANIL. I thought the fill was unusually fresh. I too had trouble with both DUNK and NGRAM: Great DUNK clue, never heard of NGRAM. Really liked NEWSY and its clue. DURER. VANYA. And yeah--PARADOX and COTERIE.
Your blog name always makes me laugh.
DeleteFWIW I never heard of NGRAM until this blog. Bloggers here refer to it not infrequently. An NGRAM search result was linked by a blogger here just this week or the end of last week.
Yeah, I didn't love the revealer. I would have liked that more as the revealer if there were black square instead of the vs in the puzzle.
ReplyDeleteOnce again, UIE vs. UEY. Pick a lane!
ReplyDeleteDMED, NGRAM - GRR!
Hah, I got lucky in the NW corner because I thought 1 across was CHASM at first which worked out pretty well for starting off 1,2 and 3 down, although IDE clearly didn’t work so I realized it was Chaos but I think that would have been a rough start without that fortuitous mistake!!
ReplyDeleteI had a little trouble with the theme, even after getting the revealer. KRAMER VS KRAMER went in right off but I’ve never been a fan of either monster movies or sci-fi flicks so the other two were total blanks until I got some downs to fall. Even then it was a matter of getting the obvious ALIEN and GODZILLA, then guessing at the other half of those answers. But it was a nice grid with a smooth flow, particularly for a first timer. Congratulations Kiran, on your NYT debut.
ReplyDeleteHappy to see my OZARK stomping grounds mentioned this morning. The mountains and forests have been spectacular the last few weeks with the redbud trees and dogwood trees in full bloom. It’s always refreshing to watch the earth awaken again after the long cold winter.
The Five Books of Moses, by Everett Fox. New York, Schocken Books, 1995
ReplyDeleteTranslates tohu va-vohu as confusion and chaos.
Yeah, religious studies major over here who spent a LOT of time with Genesis - was very surprised to see CHAOS for 1A. It’s just incorrect.
ReplyDeleteAnother hand up as an autistic person who was happy to see AUTISM included. And yes while some of the fill was a bit old-timey, there were some really magnificent words - including some that @Lewis listed - and some lovely clues.
FERNS generally make poor office plants unless you have an office with higher humidity, in my experience. I think we’re much more likely to see a ficus or a pothos or a snake plant in an office. A groaner of a late week clue for FERNS might be “Reproduction is often beneath them?”
Also, I have an interview for a promotion to Director today at noon ET - if anyone is of the sending good vibes persuasion, I would happily accept them.
Okay, seeing the Tree of Life version cited below makes me have to eat my overly-confident words re CHAOS. I’ll say that the Biblical scholar whose syllabus included a month on various interpretations of Genesis presented it as a kind of void and formlessness.
Delete@Weezie 8:16
DeleteSeeing this at 11:50 Eastern, sending you positive vibes for your interview!
@Weezie 8:16 AM
DeleteHope your interview went smoothly and you get the job.
Got stuck on TVA (only WPA is familiar enough for a Tuesday puzzle, IMHO) since I blanked on Green movement (which seemed like an ECO type clue). Also had issues with STD—I wanted YTD (year to date). Otherwise, an enjoyable puzzle.
ReplyDeleteThe clue says utility, which is the TVA, not the WPA. And as for me, I find TVA even Monday friendly.
DeleteI drew a circle around the clue for 10A. The answer was TRAP. There are many, many ways to clue that. "Hip hop subgenre pioneered by Gucci Mane" is what they picked. On a Tuesday. It makes me feel like I should retire from doing this puzzle.
ReplyDeleteEagle vs Shark, is a pretty funny movie, Taika Waititi and Jemaine Clement's first movie. But probably less known in America.
ReplyDeleteI love Paper Boi!
I also DNFed in that same spot. I had Godzilla vs. KORG. You know, Marvel Rock guy voiced by Taika Waititi.
TAIKA TUESDAY I GUESS!!!
Speaking of, waiting impatiently, for season 2 of Our Flag Means Death, starring you know who.
Never heard of ROTI, NGRAM, or DMED, but I guessed well and finished in due time. Interesting concept; my compliments to the constructor.
ReplyDelete@Bob Mills 8:37am:
DeleteYou have heard of roti. It has been used in NYTXwords 121 times, to say nothing of other xword puzzles.
Looks like the Tree of Life version of the Bible (never heard of it before googling) includes the word chaos: https://www.bible.com/bible/314/GEN.1.2.TLV
ReplyDeletehttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tree_of_Life_Version
Odd puzzle all around. Somewhat trivia based theme - revealer is a nice entry but disjoint. The emotional schlock that is KRAMER began my complete distaste for both actors. With GODZILLA - KONG could be considered the new “Eton” or “Eno”. NEWSY?
ReplyDeleteI did like the PARADOX - COTERIE pair. SWEARS TO, TORN DOWN, AZURE - there’s some fine, scrabbly fill here. Note to constructors - leave the STDs out of your grids.
Enjoyable Tuesday solve.
LUXURY Liner
Unlike OFL, seeing something like ANIL is fine with me as a reminder of crosswords past. Like OFL, I wanted VOID and settled for CHAOS when the crosses made that obvious.
ReplyDeleteThere was a "float" in our local Fourth of July parade one year that advertised their product as SUNDDRIED, organic, 100% natural, no additives, local, and probably a couple more that I'm forgetting. They were selling firewood.
TOREDWON or TORNDOWN? Cain or ABEL? That was about it for slowdowns, and it was nice to see a bunch of proper names that I knew. Also nice to get a definition of NGRAM, which I have only seen in comments here.
I thought this was a very nice Tuesday with an apt revealer. Nice job, KP, and hope they Keep Publishing more of your stuff. Thanks for all the fun.
Another Como entry here, for the singer who made me swoon too many decades ago to count.
ReplyDeleteStrictly speaking, I don't believe that FEST is a suffix for OKTOBER in 53 Down. FEST stands in its own right as an equal noun partner in a compound word. If the constructor is merely using suffix as xwordese for “it comes after”, then why not just put a underlined blank? I was expecting Rex to pounce on this.
ReplyDeleteThe movie was entitled “Godzilla vs. Kong,” not “Godzilla vs. King Kong”
ReplyDeleteHey All !
ReplyDeleteJust a J and Q from the 'gram. Nice puz for the "worst" day of the puzweek.
Had StOp for SLOW, which held me up, as that made the crossing Down SpEARS__. Scratched the ole head, re-evaluated my Acrosses, finally seeing SWEARS TO/SLOW.
Not much junk fill to speak of. Quite a clean grid, even with the Z's, K's, etc.
Did have a one-letter DNF, however. Had the cross of TV_/VANY_, and since didn't know either one, went with @M&A's adage of "when in doubt, put in a U", but alas, didn't work this time.
Happy Tuesday.
Three F's
RooMonster
DarrinV
Whatever happened to Frantic Sloth?
ReplyDelete@Wanderlust (6:58) If you are interested in seeing yet another side of today’s OZARK culture, watch the movie Winter’s Bone. Based on the book by James Dickey, it’s gritty but starkly realistic and was actually filmed in southern Missouri’s Taney and Christian Counties. Four Oscar nominations, including Jennifer Lawrence in her first major role as lead character Ree Dolly.
ReplyDelete@Weezie (8:16) Sending good luck and positive thoughts with fingers crossed!
Over on xwordinfo found out that this was a NYT debut for Kiran Pandey, so congrats on that! In his write-up he points out that VS films are largely limited to legal dramas or sci-fi horror, which is true, so I totally can look past the disconnect between the themers.
ReplyDeleteI thought this was a fun puzzle, especially since Tuesdays usually don't throw up much resistance. There was a nice amount of grit to keep me entertained. Not so weird that Rex PANS it, but quite weird that Jeff Chen gives it a decent razzing. He's normally so fawning.
I second the recommendation to see “Winter’s Bone”, a great debut by Jennifer Lawrence and a thought provoking film. As for the puzzle I feel the movie choices were fair and generally well known. I liked the theme. “Chaos” was new to me; although if any of the nuns that taught me religion were still here they’d probably be shaking their heads that I didn’t know it.
ReplyDelete@Weezie sending good vibes to you across the universe!
Oh goody gumdrops -- Monster Movies!!!! Just when I thought I couldn't live another day -- nay, another moment -- without them.
ReplyDeleteThrobbing question in my mind -- and I shall not sleep another night until it's answered:
Are they actual movies or are they mash-ups of two different movies? I was absolutely sure they were mash-ups until I got to KRAMER VS KRAMER -- which is a real movie in the singular.
Tis a puzzlement.
Re: KRAMER VS KRAMER -- You can say both Kramers behaved monstrously if you like, but that doesn't make it a Monster Movie. So what is KRAMER VS KRAMER doing there?
Beats me.
For people who like this sort of puzzle, this is the sort of puzzle they like. To me, the only thing worse than seeing a GODZILLA movie would be seeing GODZILLA and KONG in the same movie. And the same goes for ALIEN and PREDATER.
Two days in a row with delights of the mind. It's like we're Hobbits living in the Shire and we can hope to mingle and laugh together forever while outside of our little village lies the CHAOS and horror of weekend puzzles where those ambitious crossworders rage and storm after hoisting themselves atop the pitard of challenge. Villainy will return to these tranquil shores where the breeze smells like lilacs and honey and apparently a higher quality of maple syrup.
ReplyDeleteThe VANYA/TVA cross and the NGRAM/GRR cross made me guess and hope.
Sometimes you know your time with a functioning brain is waning when you stand up from your Archie Bunker chair, walk into your wife's home office while she's working, and say, "Why is a [Showy basket] DUNK?" She blinks twice, "Basketball." I say, "Oh yeah," and slink away humiliated. Basic cable no longer provides anything to watch except basketball, and it's playoff season when they finally play for reals, and the Denver team is a number one seed, but I still can't figure out what DUNK and basket have in common this morning. Won't be long now before it'll be word searches, and then Super-sized Easy Word Searches! And then being propped up in front of the TV with basketball playing.
I've never seen any of the movies, but knew them all by title. Fascinating how Hollywood marketing works. And, I shouldn't admit this in public, but I adore Renaissance lute music. It all sounds the same after awhile, but I think that's true of all genres.
EZRA shows up way more in puzzles than any person as horrible as him should. Is that letter pattern really so important in constructing?
I saw Albrecht Durer's self portrait where he looks like stereotypical Jesus in the Munich museum once and it was worth the trip.
Uniclues:
1 Mostly the 80s in restaurants and offices.
2 Your inner circle that acts like your outer circle on account of the sass.
3 How a famous Uncle joined the Anonym-oti when they took away his VA.
4 Tanned disciple.
1 FERNS ERA (~)
2 PARADOX COTERIE
3 VANYA ANY
4 SUN-DRIED MARK
I lucked out because the movie titles all popped into my head instantly for some reason, allowing me to breeze through this. Which is rare because usually I get stuck on puzzles everyone else thinks are "Easy" LOL.
ReplyDeleteThere are no words. Well, maybe two: Really. Dumb.
ReplyDeleteMelissa vs. three creepy clowns
34a [Now I’m mad!] is certainly an apt sentiment for GODZILLA who at different times over the years has gotten into scrapes with Mothra, Hedora, Megalon, Mechagodzilla, Biolante, King Ghidorah, Spacegodzilla, Destroyah, and Megaguiris as well as King KONG. I hope someone can get this disgruntled beast into an anger management class soon.
ReplyDeleteIt's still CHAOS as far as I can tell, from reading the papers. Oy.
ReplyDeleteHang-ups at the start and finish, but a smooth run through the mid-section. At 1A, I, too, being of the "without form, and void" camp, was flummoxed by the five spaces and had to use the Downs to get CHAOS. At the end, I felt I didn't quite get the reveal: is the joke that Kramer and Kramer are actually breaking up (i.e., divorcing), so that "break it up" has two meanings here and only one for the monster movies? On the plus side: COTERIE - a real LUXURY entry on a Tuesday.
ReplyDelete@Weezie, I hope it goes well! Vibes on the way.
First, good luck @Weezie!
ReplyDeleteYou often see just “v.” Instead of “vs.”, for example Roe v. Wade. I got an inane sort of chuckle out of reading the themers that way:
ALIEN V SPREDATOR
GODZILLA V SKONG
KRAMER V SKRAMER
Don’t ask me why I like that, cuz I don’t know.
The puzzle could have been spiced up a bit by cluing STD as “Fear of intercourse” or something like that.
AZURE all saying, this was a pretty good Tuesday puzzle. I thought that throwing the battling Kramers into the monstrous mix was wonderful. Thanks and congrats on your debut, Kiran Pandey.
Uniclues:
ReplyDelete1) Li'l Abner's wife?
2) The gourmet's actor-of-choice for a lousy performance
3) "K-k-k-k I do."
4) "I need curlier tailfeathers"
1) HILL OZARK FRAU
2) SUNDRIED MARK
3) SWEARS TO KATY
4) PERM REAR BODY
@Nancy 10:43 AM
DeleteAHA! #4! I knew it had a clue, but I couldn't figure it out. Nice work my friend.
NGRAM/COTERIE cross was brutal to me today
ReplyDeleteAnother fun puzzle - we're on a roll!
ReplyDelete(Hi Rex - how's Ida Mae?
from Cinnamon's Mom).
And to match the horror (?) movies, we get some CHAOS...Stare at Durer's "Knight, Death and the Devil" for some seconds. You'll feel right at home with an ALIEN PREDATOR. I wonder if GODZILLA slays KONG. There's even some evil in KRAMER VS KRAMER.
ReplyDeleteSo as I was doing this I wondered what circles I failed to run in. I know these exist but I guess I was a cave dweller when they premiered...
The words surrounding the themes did hold interest. AUTISM....Lots of well known brilliant folks have this. The two best known (in my opinion) are Einstein and Newton. I think Bill Gates is there as well. My favorite is Hans Christian Andersen and his Emperor's New Clothes. He always had a moral to his stories. Today, the moral to this story is: IT IS WHAT IT IS. Oops...wrong one. BREAK IT UP YOU TWO. Yes....that's the moral of this story. Kinda cute.
As Hans might've said: "Polar bear tracks in the mud quickly attracted a COTERIE of admirers, raising everyone's secret hopes that the owner was in the vicinity."
@Weezie. As we say in my neck of the woods: Te deseo suerte, amiga.....Andale pues!
Thx, Kiran, perfect Tues; 'twas neither void nor without form! :)
ReplyDeleteMed-
No CHAOS today; one write-over: 'Y' for 'e' at KATY, and one easy guess at the DMED / TOM cross.
Wanted Como before KATY (hi @kitshef, Georgia, Unknown & Anonymous), but already had the 'K' from KRAMER. Considered the possibility that it should be cRAMER, but OZARK disagreed, so KATe it was (before the write-over).
Finally did some research on DM, SMS & MMS and IM. Have used all of these texting/messaging services at one time or another, altho, never paid attention to their distinctions.
Love NGRAM; use it often.
Fun solve; liked it a lot! :)
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@Weezie (8:16 AM) 🙏
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On to Natan Last's New Yorker Mon. 🤞
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I never considered KRAMER VS KRAMER as a courtroom drama so had to think twice before putting it in. Are there even any courtroom scenes in that movie?
ReplyDeleteMediumish. Reasonably smooth, mildly amusing, so pretty good Tuesday. Liked it. Nice debut.
ReplyDeleteMe too for getting hung up on DUNK and KONG and void being my first thought before CHAOS.
Croce Solvers: I went back over #802 and realized I didn’t know most of the PPP without at least a couple/all of crosses, hence on the tough side for me.
“Ezra” is an Old Testament book, and “Pound” is common enough to make a great many clues that don’t require including a traitor and truly vile person.
ReplyDeleteGo get em @Weezie.
ReplyDelete@Greater Fall River (8:28) You make a good argument about TRAP, clued as a music SUB genre and a musician I don’t recall even seeing in a crossword before. What on earth is up with that?
ReplyDelete@Diane Joan (10:01) Agree Winter’s Bone is thought provoking, with haunting images that stay with you for a while. And very true to life, depicted as accurately as any film I’ve ever seen.
@Liveprof (10:31) Best comment of the day! (And an excellent point too.)
Here's my take on this Bible thing. Sure, "without form and void" is pretty much the same thing as CHAOS; but the NYT puzzle routinely uses "Biblical language" in clues to refer specifically to the St. James version, and if they're going to do that they ought to stick to it. That said, though, CHAI was pretty easy, and HILL even easier. As for ANIL, you just have to remember that the modern chemical industry more or less got its start with ANILine dyes. Works for me, anyway.
ReplyDeleteI really wanted GODZILLA VS. Rodan. It was too long, but it kept me from thinking of non-Japanese opponents there. Then I got the KO and figured maybe he fought Marie KONdo, but she was too long too.
KRAMER VS. KRAMER is also an outlier in its relationship to the revealer. BREAK IT UP YOU TWO shouted at either of the first pairs is telling them to stop what they're doing; for the Kramers, it is cheering them on.
I used to watch Perry Como every week, but they always clue him as "crooner" so I wasn't tempted. But what really makes me feel old is how many of you don't know about the TENNESSEE VALLEY AUTHORITY, which is still in business. It was highly controversial at the start because the GOP considered it creeping socialism, and in the late 20th Century because it tried to evade environmental restrictions.
I once visited DURER's house museum. Among other things it had a print of a famous incident when the Emperor came to visit him and steadied a ladder for him when Durer climbed it to get something from a high shelf. Those days were really different.
Obviously, Good Vibrations for @weezie.
ReplyDeleteNot much in the way of good vibes from the puzzle, although there were a few moments of interest like COTERIE and the FRAU FEST. Nice PUTT clue which eluded me for a while. Also the DUNK clue which eluded me completely.
Still thinking about the maple-ginger-soy-chili flake marinade someone mentioned yesterday. Sounds addictive.
Clearly, KRAMERVSKRAMER was the schlockiest flick of the bunch. More on this subject, tomorrow.
ReplyDeletefave stuff: PARADOX. SUNDRIED. LUXURY. OPENMIND. OZARK.
staff weeject pick: UIE.
Thanx, Mr. Pandey dude. And congratz on a nice, schlocky debut.
Masked & Anonymo8Us
**gruntz**
ReplyDeleteFor those of you who don't know it, try it -- NGRAM!
Very useful for disproving "No one ever said ..." comments. At least in terms of someone writing "..." in a book.
Jumping full tilt into the Bible discussion:
ReplyDeleteYes, I can see "without form" meaning CHAOS. But "void"?
Here's what I think of when I think of CHAOS. Noise. Confusion. Lots of people (or other things) bumping into each other. Everyone and everything running amok. "Things fall apart; the center cannot hold." That sort of stuff.
Here's what I think of when I think of void:
I sort of don't see how the two can be synonymous:)
Got here for a comment before I read anything. Thought answers to theme made no sense; thought it was medium-challenging; never heard of Tori AMOS or AMOS Tori; way too much crosswordese! Hi ROTI, How’s Naan. I’m sure the blogger will have written just the opposite.
ReplyDeleteIn the beginning when God created the heavens and the earth, the earth was a formless void and darkness covered the face of the deep, while a wind from God swept over the face of the waters.
ReplyDeleteChaos is part of the Greek cosmogony. It has no place in any exegesis of The Christian Bible's account of creation.
Some would have you believe choshek meaning darkness or confusion is an apt description of abyss/tohu wa-bohu. Don't believe them.
In any event, no one has ever claimed that chaos appears in the Septuagint.
Back to what most folks call the Bible. For two millennia, the Church's great thinkers have rejected the primordial state of matter business, rightly understanding that a Prime Mover must in fact create ex nihilo. From nothing.
I couldn't get CHAI for the life of me.
ReplyDelete[That's a (bad) joke: Chai means life (in Hebrew)]
In the beginning there was just a void.
Then there was another void.
And one void led to the next. . .
@Weezie Too late now, but sending retroactive best wishes for your interview.
ReplyDelete@Weezie -- Really hope you got it!
ReplyDeleteA little late here. No one mentioned 44A Obama Era coincidence. Obama was 44th president.
ReplyDelete@Taylor_Slow
ReplyDeleteYou are aware the Bible wasn't written in English, right? Neither half.
https://mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt0101.htm
Liked this puzzle too; north east was last to be filled in because of wanting to put some flowers in the “showy basket” and also wanted firstly something to do with rainbows at 22across. It takes time when one’s brain doesn’t want to give up a notion - plus the Indian flatbread choice.
ReplyDeleteAll the movie titles were known, from somewhere, although I’ve seen none of them, and we don’t have to actually have seen them or liked them to be fair entries in a puzzle.
Anil/aril……I’ve learned aril is also the name given to the red juicy seed thingies in pomegranates.
For sure, KRAMERVSKRAMER is the outlier. You WANT the monsters to BREAKITUPYOUTWO, so as to keep entire cities from being TORNDOWN--but to ask a divorcing couple to break up is a PARADOX. THAT is why they're in court! "Break up the breaking up!" What does that mean except "Get back together!"?? However, the revealer is snappy and definitely in the language.
ReplyDeleteIt's toughen-up Tuesday, with clues somewhat advanced for the day. I am no way going to get anything that begins "Hip-hop subgenre..." even if it's just TRAP. Ya can't find a Tuesday way to clue TRAP?? Also that techy letter add-on NGRAM, a double no-no for me. [Dis]honorable mention for DURER, more obscure PPP. These distractions aside, the rest was really not bad, so keeping an OPENMIND I can see a par.
Wordle bogey, first time I can recall going over par two days in a row. In my defense, though, the words are getting tougher. Feel like I'm playing Oak Hill right now.
DUNK, KONG, and NGRAM were a triple Natick for me. Not a sports or monster fan, nor a cell/social media user.
ReplyDeleteLiving in the past - that's me.
Diana, Lady-in-Waiting for Crosswords
OTOH - "CHATSO" would have made the hip-hop genre interesting.
ReplyDeleteDiana, LIW
Uneven. Two monster movies and an outlier. Unless of course you consider one or both of the KRAMERs (played by Meryl and Dustin) to be monsters. Anyhow, it's a NYT debut so Bravo to KP.
ReplyDeleteFRAU FAN FEST
ReplyDeleteI SWEAR I have an OPENMIND
and can AFFIRM THAT THAT is SO,
I’LL show KATY my BODY is the kind
TO go UP *or* DOWN real SLOW.
--- TOM KRAMER
Well, it wasn't Ali VS Frazier, but pretty good. Tori AMOS gets her last name today, KATY Perry may get hers tomorrow.
ReplyDeleteWordle birdie!
Interesting that EZRA crosses ERA. I guess there was kind of an EZRA ERA in poetry, although Eliot was probably the most famous at the time.
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