Relative difficulty: Easy-ish
Theme answers:
- HONEY SACS (17A: Bee storage centers) (glad I solved Downs-only and thus didn't have to read this clue—sounds like the bees are being stored, not doing the storing)
- CASUAL SEX (25A: Option in a "no strings attached" relationship)
- PICK SIX (39A: Football interception leading to a touchdown, colloquially)
- TUBE SOCKS (50A: Stockings for athletes) ("stockings"??? really????? they're not nylon, and they're not hung by the chimney with care, so ... what are you doing here?)
- "THAT SUCKS!" (62A: "Oof, sorry to hear it")
TL;DR or tl;dr, short for "too long; didn't read", is internet slang to say that some text being referred to has been ignored because of its length. It is often used to refer to excessively wordy Terms and Conditions statements. It is also used to introduce a summary of an online post or news article.
The phrase dates back to at least 2002, and was added to the Oxford Dictionaries Online in 2013. (wikipedia)
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Really helped out today, from a Downs-only perspective, by two long gimmes: POGO STICK (11D: Device for someone who's hopping mad?) and YOGI BERRA (32D: Who said "Baseball is 90% mental. The other half is physical). Wacky baseball quote? Think Berra first. Cardinal rule. And that POGO STICK, despite being transparent, is really wonderful—nice reimagining of a familiar phrase ("hopping mad" => "mad, i.e. crazy, about hopping"). Because those two came easy, the largish, openish NE and SW corners were a lot easier than they otherwise would've been. Usually, in a Downs-only situation, you find yourself having to hack away at longer Downs, using inferred crosses to finally make the answer come into view. But today, both long Downs when in, no crosses. Their shorter neighbors were actually the real problems. Took me a while to get EDIBLES (10D: Things to eat), and ... well, SNEAKED was a slight problem (43D: Crept), but the bigger problem was a little more toward the center of the grid: SPIN JOB (28D: Publicist's output in the face of controversy). I could see that the first word wanted to be SPIN, but I couldn't imagine what the "output" could be. I don't think I'd ever use SPIN JOB, or hear it often, though its meaning is clear enough. And the "J" cross, INPJS, yuck and uck, a prepositional phrase that has no business being a standalone answer, and, if you're solving Downs-only, is pretty much ungettable until you get that "J" (from SPIN JOB, which, as I've said, I didn't have). All other parts of the grid were fairly tractable. No hangups of more than a few seconds or so. I really should time my Downs-only Monday some time. Seems entirely possible that it might be faster than a regular Monday. I just hate the clock these days. Tick tick tick. Bah. Distracting. I like to go fast, but I don't like actually recording my time. Weird. Speaking of speeding, congrats to Dan Feyer, who won his, let's say, 73rd American Crossword Puzzle Tournament title yesterday. He's truly something else. And a very nice guy to boot.
Easy. Pretty smooth rendition of a familiar theme with some fine sparkle, liked it. David’s comments at Xwordinfo are well worth reading, preferably while sitting alone on a comfortable facility.
ReplyDeleteDwIS before DUIS was it for erasures.
CROCE solvers - CROCE’s Freestyle #798 was a medium CROCE for me with the NE corner a tad tougher than the rest. Good luck!
My experience: exactly what Rex said, from easily getting POGO STICK and YOGI BERRA, to struggling with EDIBLES, SNEAKED, and SPIN JOB. Solving with down clues only, had --I-LES for "Things to eat" and, well, ICICLES fit great, giving PIPPA, ACORN, and CODE for the acrosses. Well, you can eat icicles, can't you?
ReplyDeleteNever ever heard the phrase PICK SIX. I thought maybe it was the name of some lotto. And when I saw PARKS at 60 across I thought: jeez, Rosa PARKS strikes again! But not today.
[Spelling Bee: Sun -2 so far; really in a SB slump.]
A puzzle with SEX and rife with innuendo: I'm hoping someone will tell us the tale of what went on at the ACME Motel. I loved this PEPPA-ing up of the creaky old theme type.
ReplyDeleteYogi Berra was blamed for a number of verbal gaffes by comedians who sometimes made stuff up. But Yogi made matters worse by saying in his own defense, "I never said those things I said."
ReplyDeleteGood puzzle. Not easy by Monday standards.
Nice little Monday-ish puzzle, and let’s give the constructor some credit. The vowels in the vowel progression are in alphabetical order. And the puzzle is remarkably free of PPP.
ReplyDeleteNever heard of Peppa Pig, guessed Porky, as I’m sure many others did. The NYT naughty boys must have liked CASUALSEX, but there’s no ASS unless it’s hiding in ASISSI (haha).
My five favorite clues from last week
ReplyDelete(in order of appearance):
1. Tricep curls? (3)(4)
2. Potential response to "Look! I colored on the walls!" (3)(4)
3. Presale alert? (5)(4)
4. Word that means the same thing even with several letters added? (7)
5. Zip it! (3)
ARM HAIR
YOU WHAT
GOING ONCE
MAILBOX
FLY
Maybe I just noticed them more today, but there seem to be a lot of abbreviations like DKNY, CIA, TLDR, OMG, DUIS, IPOS, IPA. They all look pretty familiar from Crosswords past (with the possible exception of DKNY), so maybe it’s just my perception.
ReplyDeleteRex really likes to dissect the theme - I forgot that this puzzle even had one (which is usually a positive in my opinion). In any event, give me a plain theme that doesn’t try too hard and just hangs in the background without creating the need for a grid full of junk any day - thus, a good start to the week so far from my perspective. Will see what tomorrow brings us.
Downs-only also, and had to run the alphabet at the INP-S/SPIN-O- crossing to finish. Then, as usual, I had the pleasure of figuring out the theme, which was pretty easy this time.
ReplyDeleteRex, time to get over your discomfort with thinking about testicles. They are an important part of CASUAL SEX. The Red Hot Chili Peppers covered theirs with TUBE SOCKS. Say no more regarding THAT SUCKS. As for PICK SIX, I have no idea how to make that fit the theme.
I looked up YOGI BERRA quotes and found a list of the 50 best. I wondered if he actually knew what he was doing with at least some of them, and he answered that question with Quote # 50: “A lot of guys go, ‘Hey, Yog, say a Yogi-ism.’ I tell ’em, ‘I don’t know any.’ They want me to make one up. I don’t make ’em up. I don’t even know when I say it. They’re the truth. And it is the truth. I don’t know.”
From the movie Top Secret:
ReplyDeleteDr. Paul Flammond: "The secret police broke into my house. They tore me from my family, ransacked my laboratory, and brought me to this dungeon".
Nick Rivers: "That sucks".
Croce 798 was a solid medium. Slow start, sudden rush when the long acrosses began to fall, then a screech to a halt before getting the stubborn NW section.
This is an oft-done crossword motif – vowel progression – and yet David found a solid and entertaining answer set that has never been done before. Props for that!
ReplyDeleteWith some engaging sparks as well. That clever POGOSTICK clue, playing on the double meaning of “mad”. ACME on top. PARKS echoing Thursday’s ROSA PARKS. The brisk DASH, SPED, and SOAR being nicely balanced by the sluggish LIST and TAPER. That lovely septet of schwa-enders: PEPPA / SIENNA / ULNA / ANA / MOCHA / YODA / BERRA. And in the one-degree-of-separation department: GIN → cotton → TUBE SOCKS.
David showed he has impressive puzzle-making range, coming up with this solid Monday, after three Saturdays and two Fridays in the NYT. PICK SIX is the perfect centerpiece for your sixth puzzle, David, and thank you for an entertaining outing!
Lewis—Sweet review for a fun puzzle! I had not seen the vowel progression until reading comments here. Nice. Dear Grumpy Rex may be jaded after decades of solving but I’m somewhat new to all this and relish learning the formulas.
DeleteThe vowel progression theme is well travelled - but this was a cute, early week example. SACS and SEX - IN PJS or in SOCKS - maybe with a SUCKS? That’s not me you hear BRAYing.
ReplyDeleteMy favorite CROCE
With @ok on PARKS - figured another Rosa sighting. Did not like PIS or TLDR. 8d always reminds me of Rocca Maggiore and Santa Maria.
Enjoyable Monday solve.
DESIGNs on you
On a side note, congratulations to Dan Feyer for winning the ACPT crossword tournament yesterday, where he beat out Paolo Pasco by less than a second. It’s super exciting to watch the final puzzle, where three giant whiteboards with the puzzles are on the stage, and the three finalists fill them in, competing against each other, in front of the audience.
ReplyDeleteYou can see it, by going here: https://www.crosswordtournament.com/2023/index.htm . Then click on the link under “Live Stream”, then click on the “Sunday finals stream” (the middle of the top row) and start at 1:06.
Back, mostly, from sick leave but still zero energy. Did Saturday's yesterday and found I had missed my chance to say, as my only comment, Really? Really. Yesterday's was super sloggy and barely raised a smile which for me is rare indeed.
ReplyDeleteToday's was an OK Monday, saw what was going on early and tried to guess what the answers were going to be. I wanted TIMESUCKS but that wasn't to be.
Still haven't done the Stumper and have yet to find the Croce or today's New Yorker. OK I guess as I'm not going out running.
Nice Monday, DD. Didn't Disappoint and thanks for brightening the day at least briefly.
The 5th grader in charge of the slush pile at the NYTXW office is back from spring break with his mom in the Hamptons. Today proudly serving us a tee-hee filled effort with HONEY SACS, CASUAL SEX IN PJS wearing a BOA, EDIBLES, and oh hell, let's just include POGO STICK and imagine why our beloved selection committee was hopping high on this one.
ReplyDeleteWrapping up the juvenalia, the always 21st century approach to deep understanding: TLDR. OMG THAT SUCKS.
All this wrapped up in a delightful puzzle with an enjoyable fill. Feels vacant without a theme (the vowel sounds thing isn't "thematic" is it?), but whatevs bro, it's got edibles crossing casual sex ... huzzah.
N-Ks: PEPPA.
Uniclues:
1 As ya do. Byow byow chikka byow byow.
2 Daily heellessness.
3 Reaction to hearing, "Rosa's in jail."
4 Jedi leader criticizes the editorial team at the crossword offices.
5 How Horton heard the hoo.
1 REDID CASUAL SEX
2 USUAL TUBESOCKS (~)
3 PARKS? THAT SUCKS.
4 YODA POPS STY
5 DR. SEUSS EDIBLES (~)
Downs only, very fast. For some reason EDIBLES went right in. Then speeding along saw THAT SUCKS and realized 17A had to be HONEYSACS, which made me look for the /e/ sound, etc. Lucky for me I never saw the clue for PICKSIX. I know it as a lottery thing I see in the supermarket. Just looked at the actual clue and it might as well be gibberish!
ReplyDeleteOverall a fun start to the solving week!
Completely missed the theme/vowel progression, so, as usual, I enjoyed reading about what else there was to appreciate. CASUALSEX (I guess with someone named ALEX by the SUNDIAL in ASSISI) and THATSUCKS had simply caught my attention, so it was nice to actually see a constructive reason. I still reserve THATSUCKS for something a little worse than stuff I'm only sorry to hear, but OK. And hello, EGRET, seems like it's been awhile, and always appreciate any bird related entry.
ReplyDeleteHey All !
ReplyDeleteYEA, NAY, EGGS ON IN PJS.
ASEA of USUAL DR SUESS/YOGIisms.
Didn't ABHOR it, nice grid DESIGN, looks like a SPIN JOB.
SACS, SEX, SIX, SOCKS,SUCKS, how many were going to St. Ives? π
Thought for a second this was a Themeless MonPuz, but then saw SIX and SEX, and said, "Ah, vowel progression."
Low Blocker count, only 34.
@kitshef 7:13
Top Secret! What an awesome movie! Everything so literal in that movie. One of my favorite scenes was the underwater bar fight scene.
Happy Monday All! (If that's possible...)
No F's (THAT SUCKS!)
RooMonster
DarrinV
This kind of early week sound progression puzzle is one of my least favorite theme types. But David D does as good a job with it as is possible, keeping the theme answers on the colorful side and the fill smooth and junk-free (with one exception I'll get to.) I mean how can you not like CASUAL SEX and THAT SUCKS? Also, any puzzle with a YOGI-ism in it is very welcome.
ReplyDeleteNow for TLDR -- whatever the hell that means:
I have an important job for A.I. to do -- and, mercifully, it's a job that won't even lead to the end of the human species. In just a few years there will be exactly 37,545,989,441,828 initialisms to be found in "internet-speak". The understandably baffled person, who can't possibly be expected to keep track of them all, will just plug the letters into an A.I. system and out will pop what it stands for.
Oh, wait. You say the technology is available to do that right now???!!! I'd better go use it then. And then soon, mercifully, I shall know what TLDR means.
I told my wife that I’ve gotten tired of formal sex and asked if we could try this new casual version. “Nay,” she replied. “Stick with the USUAL or I’ll soon be ANNEX.”
ReplyDeleteI still remember having “the talk” with my boy.
Boy: Dad, where did I come from?
Me: An EGGSON.
Boy: Well, do I have to always use he/him pronouns?
Me: No, for all I care you can PICKSIX.
I always enjoy a good vowel movement puzzle, and this was one of them. Thanks, David Distenfeld.
The two meanings of TLDR are contradictory. The original dismissive meaning makes sense, unlike the second "Here's a summary" meaning used in the puzzle. I've seen the first a few times, never the second. Loved Rex's comment about Berra. But a "Cardinal rule"? No. That would be Musial. :)
ReplyDeleteTHATSUCKS?? c’mon NYT aren’t we better than that? SNEAKED? Snuck
ReplyDeleteI shudder each time I hear the word SUCKS as I recall it’s original sexual reference.
ReplyDelete1) Tiger and Phil like 'em straight and sturdy -- and both have been complaining a lot lately
ReplyDelete2) A horse with an affinity for malapropisms?
3) "A pot-laced Brownie
Best in townie!"
4) Cleopatra -- way before Liz
5) Can't take him anywhere
1) ABHOR TEE TAPER
2) MANED YOGI BERRA
3) EDIBLES DR SEUSS
4) SUNDIAL STAR
5) TUBESOCKS USUAL
33A: one NEVER pluralizes a word with an apostrophe. Never, not once, not at all, never never never. Not with numbers, not with foreign letters, not with last names. Never.
ReplyDeleteThe New York Times's Style Guide says to use apostrophes in the plurals of abbreviations and in plurals formed from letters and figures: M.D.’s; C.P.A.’s; TV’s; VCR’s; p’s and q’s; 747’s, size 7’s.
ReplyDeleteAnonymous 9:36. It was always "sneaked." "Snuck" was nonstandard. But it became popular. So now "snuck" is okay. But "sneaked" is still fine, and often the more appropriate in formal writing.
ReplyDeleteKromiumman-
ReplyDeleteThe word "never" appears six times in your post. That's a lot of never's!!
@Anon 9:29 - TLDR; came into the lexicon gradually. At first it was a mere reply to a writer with TLDR appended to the bottom. This would frequently be replied with a synopsis of the original content. So, you had
ReplyDeleteoriginal post/email/text/whatever>
[loooooong blah blah blah]
Reply
[loooooong blah blah blah]
TLDR
Reply to the reply
[loooooong blah blah blah]
TLDR
[Synnopsis of loooooong blah blah blah]
Eventually, smart writers starting avoiding the back and forth, and simply went with
[loooooong blah blah blah]
TLDR;
[Synnopsis of loooooong blah blah blah]
So no, not contradictory, just historically complicated.
TLDR;
No, not contradictory, just historically complicated.
It's all true, but it got even more convoluted since. Nowadays most writers put a summary with TL;DR _before_ their loooooong blahs, usually separated with asterisks or a line from the following actual loooooong blahs. So even the most logical and mentally organized people, computer programmers and such, end up creating illogical but very much usable and widely understood live language.
DeleteThx, David; excellent early week puz! :)
ReplyDeleteMed+
Between Mon. & Tues. dif.
Good start in the NW, except for EYEwear before EYELIDS.
Honey SACS was new. Had PiPPA before PEPPA. Dior before DKNY (which I can never remember). Also, TL;DR always seems to elude me. SNucK in before SNEAKED. Got SPIN, but had to wait for the JOB.
Loved the 'hopping mad' POGO STICKer.
TUBE SOCKS bring back memories of early baseball experiences.
Totally forgot to look for the theme; cute! :)
Fun solve! :)
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Thx @jae; looking forward to CROCE's #798 td. π€
@pabloinnh (8:37 AM)
Will be joining you on Natan Last's Mon. New Yorker, altho most likely tm. π€
@Lewis (8:21 AM) re: the ACPT Finals
Thx for the link and explanation. :)
@Anonymous (10:26 AM)
Thx; that makes sense. :)
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Anna Stiga's Sat. Stumper update. Success after 4 3/4 hrs. Well worth the effort! Reminded me of some of last year's CROCE battles.
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Peace π πΊπ¦ ~ Compassion ~ Tolerance ~ Kindness to all π
Larry-
ReplyDeleteThanks. Interesting. So TLDR means "too long didn't read" in the first instance, and in the second it functions as a signal to introduce a summary of a long document that you in fact did read, but others might not bother.
Complicated indeed! In the pre-internet era, I think this was done with "Here's the CliffsNotes version."
Anon 9:29
Haven't seen that expression- Cliff Notes version - in a long time. I agree with Nancy that these online abbreviations can be confusing. Like TL:DR I got the answer and still forgot what it stood for. Language changes....
DeleteI never actually knew what bees do to convert nectar into honey, so I spent far too much time trying to figure out how HONEYcomb could be plural; finally the crosses forced me to SACS. But I looked it up afterward, and "storage centers" doesn't seem to fit -- the honey sac is where the actual processing takes place; it would be like calling a still a GIN 'storage center.' But hey, it's a crossword.
ReplyDeleteAs for the NYT style guide, it should go read Strunk & White. If there's an apostrophe in the plural, how do you write the possessive? Kids these days!
But it was a nice puzzle, and a total joy to be solving it in ink on paper. I tried to do the Sunday puzzle on my phone while on a drive to Boston from Baltimore yesterday, and I'm still not finished. It kept jumping to the wrong square, although that my be my phone's fault, it needs a new screen.
Well, it's nice to be back home, even though the hot water is out. Greetings,all!
The constructor's notes on Xword Info suggest this puzzle's title:
ReplyDelete"Bowel Movements".
Kinda subtle in its gross way, especially for Spanish speakers.
I think it's become pretty common for people to write TL;DR at the end of their original post if they know there's a lot of detail that some readers want but most people don't. I think there's a negative connotation if a reader says that but not if the original poster says that.
ReplyDeleteI admire Lewis's commentary and he must be a very nice fellow as he always has something positive to say about the puzzle and the constructor ... BUT I really can't quite imagine ever finding any part of a crossword puzzle contest "super exciting." A bullfighter earning both ears and the tail, the long game winning basket with less than a second remaining by San Diego State in the NCAA basketball finals ... that's super exciting, but a guy doing a crossword puzzle? Nah ...
ReplyDeleteBut it’s not “a guy”. It’s two guys, and they are competing with each other to see who finishes first.
DeleteActually, it was three guys, no?
DeleteYep. Had it all, from SACS to SUCKS. Perfectly reasonable MonPuz.
ReplyDeletestaff weeject picks: NAY & YEA mini-theme.
fave moo-cow eazy-E MonPuz clue: {Who said "Baseball is 90% mental. The other half is physical"} = YOGIBERRA.
Primo POGOSTICK clue. Primo CASUALSEX themer.
Thanx for the fun, Mr. Distenfeld dude. TLDR: Nice vowel movers.
Masked & Anonymo6Us
**gruntz**
I wish I had done this one Downs Only, because I had a rare Monday DNF. Why? I can't read the fine print in the clues (and don't keep a magnifying glass next to my solving chair, for fear it would fall off and break). So I read the pi sign as "it's" and put in "tis" as in "'tis true, alas!").
ReplyDeleteTUBE SOCKS was a mystery to me. Why only for athletes? SCOTUS is a common abbreviation for law students, just as POTUS and FLOTUS are common usage in the Secret Service. Hands up for wanting "snuck" instead of SNEAKED, which really is something YOGI BERRA would say. But it is not even a word in my 1945 Collegiate Dictionary, while it is included without comment as a past form of SNEAK, though in second place.
Timely--I just saw a Yogi quote that I hadn't seen before. When told that Dublin had elected a Jewish mayor, Yogi's reaction was "Only in America.".
ReplyDeleteI believe it was Dizzy Dean who used "slud", as in "He slud into third.". Goes nicely with "snuck".
Played a little on the medium side for a Monday I thought. As often happens I neither noticed nor cared about the theme until I read this - SACS, SEX, SOCKS, SUCKS......ooookay sure. Only sorta gripe is SNEAKED - I know it's correct but I prefer SNUCK because it's easier to say.
ReplyDeleteHopping mad = so mad you're hopping up and down.
ReplyDeleteMy aging eyes saw the PI'S clue as "It's", to which the only rejoinder was TIS. Fortunately this got me close. Sigh.
ReplyDeleteI did this downs only! Well, about 90 percent. Progress! But it’s really hard to avoid seeing the across clues…
ReplyDeleteSo my friend Carl was a hospital admin for many years and told a tale of one poor patient who was admitted for stomach surgery but had a leg amputated by mistake!
ReplyDelete"What happened when he woke up?" I asked.
"He was hopping mad," Carl said.
The “Ο‘s” clue left me saying “really? really?” on multiple fronts…but the biggest source of disappointment may have been the missed opportunity for a reference to the following (which would probably be too hard for Monday…but otherwise very much in line with the vibe of this puzzle surely):
ReplyDeletehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manneken_Pis
I join with those who thought this one had a nice balance between theme and fill . With themers of 9, 9, 7, 9 and 9 letters, there is ample room left for an open grid and some quality fill. In the age of themer bloat, often they overwhelm the grid and mostly dreary three's and four's are all that's left. Here there are a bunch of seven and a couple of nine letter Downs. Good stuff.
ReplyDeleteNow I got to go see how the Aztecs do in the NCAA Finals. I'm a San Diego State alum ('73) so I'll be rooting for them.
@BigSteve46 -- I certainly respect your opinion. If you are interested in seeing people animated and electrified by crosswords, go to the link in my post, where you will see and hear a huge room of people very excited over three of the top crossword solvers on the planet facing off.
ReplyDeleteI was quite annoyed by LASED. Lasered should be the past tense, if you’re going to make laser a verb. The R stands for radiation, it’s not a.. whatever Vern conjugation ends in er (like waiter vis waited)
ReplyDeletePIS should not get the green light in the NYT no matter how it’s clued. TLDR is clued incorrectly IMO. As for the rest of the puzzle, THATSUCKS pretty well sums it up.
ReplyDeleteANA IN HIS PAD
ReplyDeleteALEX said, "HONEY, this don't BODE well,
you're INPJS, the USUAL effects
are THAT I ABHOR EGRETs to tell
you're not READY for CASUALSEX."
--- DR. PEPPA PARKS
I never did see the point in this "downs only" thing. I think a person charged with critiquing puzzles on a blog should not do it from a downs only perspective. If OFNP wants to do them that way, fine. But he shouldn't be reporting it for everybody.
ReplyDeleteThis one was actually tough in spots, as SPINJOB was unfamiliar to me. Also TLDR, though I have seen it before, not by that definition. HONEYSACS too, before getting the theme. It all worked out in the end. A few fun entries, but not really better than par.
Wordle birdie.
I found it funny that casual sex crossed edibles.
ReplyDeleteI also make unUSUALly short colorful TUBESOCKS that have a BOA, an EGRET, and an OCELOT on them. They are very CHIC, but only cover the ANKLE.
ReplyDeleteNot much to write home about.
ReplyDeleteWordle par.
Brought to you by the ACME ladder company, for all your climbing needs, even in your PJS.
ReplyDeleteDiana, LIW