Monday, December 13, 2021

Fire safety technique / MON 12-13-21 / Terse request to a bartender / Elves have big ones stereotypically

Constructor: Tomas Spiers

Relative difficulty: Easy (maybe Easy-Medium if you somehow don't know who BRIE LARSON is)


THEME: STOP, DROP AND ROLL (65A: Fire safety technique ... or 17-, 29- and 49-Across together) — three theme answers, each of which is a type of stop, drop, and roll, respectively:

Theme answers:
  • RAILROAD STATION (17A: Grand Central, for one) (the STOP)
  • MARKET CRASH (29A: Event of October 1929) (the DROP)
  • CINNAMON BUN (49A: Pastry with a swirl) (and the ROLL)
Word of the Day: BRIE LARSON (3D: Star of "Room" And "Captain Marvel") —
Brianne Sidonie Desaulniers (born October 1, 1989), known professionally as Brie Larson, is an American actress and filmmaker. Known for her supporting roles in comedies as a teenager, she has since expanded to leading roles in independent films and blockbusters. Larson is the recipient of various accolades, including an Academy Award, a Golden Globe Award, and a Primetime Emmy Award. In 2019, Time magazine named her one of the 100 most influential people in the world. [...] Larson's breakthrough came with a leading role in the acclaimed independent drama Short Term 12 (2013), and she continued to take on supporting parts in the romance The Spectacular Now (2013) and the comedy Trainwreck (2015). For playing a kidnapping victim in the drama Room (2015), Larson won the Academy Award for Best Actress. The 2017 adventure film Kong: Skull Island marked her first big-budget release, after which she starred as Carol Danvers / Captain Marvel in the 2019 Marvel Cinematic Universe superhero films Captain Marvel and Avengers: Endgame. (wikipedia)
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We went back and forth on whether she should add more black squares to make the grid look more plausibly fillable (that's a Lot of white space), but in the end we decided not to crowd the jumping (or hanging?) Olive with more black squares, and instead just to leave the card as is, with the idea that the cats are exploring a grid that is ... under construction. Anyway, this card is personally meaningful to me, and also, I believe, objectively lovely. I can't wait to share it with snail-mailers (and oh, what the hell, if you are a PayPal / Venmo donor and you want one too, just say so in the message). Please note: I don't keep a "mailing list" and don't share my contributor info with anyone. And if you give by snail mail and (for some reason) don't want a thank-you card, just indicate "NO CARD."  Again, as ever, I'm so grateful for your readership and support. Now on to today's puzzle...

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21A: Music genre often labeled "heavy"
Yes, this works. Those are indeed a stop, a drop, and a roll. It's a cute little gimmick. Simple, with clever and easy-to-grasp wordplay. Just the right concept for a Monday. I have one little complaint. I'm not sure it actually rises to the level of complaint. There's just one part of the theme that seems weaker than the others, for somewhat subtle reasons, and so it's kind of barking at me a little. I wonder about MARKET CRASH for a couple of reasons. First, there must have been a gajillion kinds of "drops" out there that you could've used. MARKET CRASH is indeed vivid, but somehow it doesn't veer as much away from the literal meaning of "drop" as the other answers veer away from their verbs. The verbs "stop" "drop" and "roll" are imagined as nouns in the theme answers, but the only one of the three answers that really takes the wacky misdirection to heart is CINNAMON BUN. That answer is in another galaxy from the revealer's meaning of "roll," and I love it. This is repurposing / reimagining wordplay the way it's meant to be. Really take the word in a completely different direction. Leave the building. Go for it. It's good. RAILROAD STATION is a place where a train "stops," so the change of meaning there is much less wild, but mostly what I think of is the station, not the act of stopping, so ... that one gets a semi-reluctant pass from me. But something about MARKET CRASH is too literal a drop. An act of going down. There are other kinds of "drops"—raindrops, for instance, or small amounts ... I dunno, album releases. The themer here just doesn't veer away from the revealer's meaning enough for me. Part of the problem is that it actually includes the word that is synonymous with "drop" (CRASH). Part of the problem is that CRASH is way, way stronger than a mere "drop." Yes, it's in the drop category. But the phrase MARKET DROP is a thing, which makes you (me) aware that MARKET CRASH is really something else ... and yet still a fall, a descent. I just wanted this answer to go to a much more different meaning of "drop." That's all. This is fine. It's Monday, it's easy, no one cares, I know. But I will shout about craftsmanship and elegance every chance I get, whether anyone else notices or not. 


Hell, I spent about ten minutes making the northern section of this puzzle only about 25% better, just because the inclusion of FOIE bugged me (partly because force-feeding geese to produce a "delicacy" disgusts me, partly because if you don't need French you should mostly avoid French, partly because CFO wasn't doing anyone any favors...). I find myself always wishing that constructors would polish their grids just a little more (sometimes a lot more, but mostly just a little). Like, I get distracted by the "Z" in the southwest because I think "that's Scrabblef***ing"; that corner is not improved by the "Z," it really isn't. The way I know is: that corner has PSST *and* ATTA. Weirdly PEZ would make it instantly a notch better because PEZ (unlike PAZ) is not a name partial and ETTA beats ATTA any day. But honestly, the whole thing should probably be rebuilt without PSST or ATTA. It's such a tiny corner that I'm certain it can be done. Might try getting rid of OLDE there in the SE while you're tearing out small corners. All the parts I'm talking about, all the tiny things I'd change, they are absolutely acceptable, but only that. They're things you put up with. But unless the grid is challenging to fill, unless the theme is demanding or the long fill really splashy, you shouldn't have to put up with below-average stuff in the short fill. Normal names and words, as often as possible. But as I say, it's Monday, the puzzle's easy, the theme is cute, and no one's looking in the corners for dust the way I am. I get it. Again, I say, this is good work. I'll take a decent theme with Just OK fill any time on a Monday, or with any theme. Themes are hard. But still, please, constructors, as much as you can without driving yourself insane: polish the grid, even the short parts that you think no one's going to care about. Thank you.

Signed, Rex Parker, King of CrossWorld

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109 comments:

  1. All those who didn’t know that @Rex would complain about the inclusion of FOIE gras please raise your hand. Seeing none, we’ll move on.

    A superb Monday. Easy enough for a new SOLVEr and a true “aha” revealer for all. Nice work, Tomas Spiers.

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    1. To my very limited research, production of foie gras involves true animal abuse. That said, how is that a reason to avoid it as a crossword clue? Can actually present a chance to increase public awareness, yes?

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  2. Mediumish. BRIE LARSON is not exactly Monday fare. Very clever theme and the Xwordinfo POW. Liked it a bunch! Excellent debut!


    @bocamp - Croce’s Freestyle #667 was a tad tougher than last week’s, although this might because I held on to a wrong long down in the center section for much too long. By much too long I mean that almost none of the crosses were making sense and yet I let it sit there. Good luck!

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    1. Heard of Brie Larson so she didn't slow me down but just looked her up and couldn't pick her out of a line up. I think I get her comfused with Allison Brie (who I can pick out of a lineup but can't remember her name).

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  4. No, no, no!!! Grand Central is NOT a railroad station. It is a railroad terminal. Like, that’s literally its name, “Grand Central Terminal”. Hard to believe they let that pass and that Rex didn’t mention it. Now, if it was “Subway Station” that would be okay but definitely not railroad.

    Sincerely,
    A Jaded New Yorker

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    1. Indeed, I started to write in "terminal" and then it didn't fit. I shook my head.

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    2. me, too. A station is different from a terminal.

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  5. Good, clean fun for the Mondee. The theme was adorbs and the fill was...well, good enough, I suppose.
    At any rate an impressive debut.

    Congratulations, Mr. Spiers - hope to see your work again!

    🧠
    🎉🎉.5

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  6. Very surprised to see BRIE LARSON here. I was quite impressed by "Room", a Canadian made movie set in the USA. (As many are, so Americans will watch it cuz evidently they won't watch a Canadian movie... huh!) The young boy who has spent his entire life in captivity is freed, and later speaks of their captivity kind of fondly. Of "the room" where they were held, he said: "Mom was always there." Eerie.

    [Spelling Bee: td (Sun.) 0; promising start to the week?]

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  7. I have one little complaint. I'm not sure it actually rises to the level of complaint. •••••40 lines of text••••• That's all. This is fine.

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  8. Beautiful Monday! Brie Larson stole my heart way back in "The United States of Tara", so that was not a tricky answer for me - in fact the whole puzzle just bubbled along. And the theme was a nice little twist at the end!

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  9. I deliberately stopped my flowing solve after filling in the three theme answers, deliberately did not look at what letters I had filled in the reveal or look at its clue, then tried to guess the reveal. I tried everything, to no avail. Finally, I continued solving, and when the reveal revealed, well, that was a huge “Hah!”, and a huge nod of respect. You got me Tomas, and you got me good, in the best way.

    Then, you sprinkled in a trio of rhymes – TRUE by NEW, SPORT by TORT, plus TROT and POT. You crossed IMAGE with EGOS, and TROT with its semordnilap TORT, and you placed TIE by WIRE. Lovely buried treasures.

    You simultaneously deluded me and good-mooded me with your puzzle, Tomas. Much gratitude for this terrific debut.

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    1. And DROP/SLOP + SPAN/SWAN (!)

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  10. Rocinante6:29 AM

    @Tony M Hah! I'm another jaded NYer who came to see if anyone else would notice this.

    CFO crossing FOIE was definitely Shortz just trolling Rex. Predicting which answers will pique Rex's ire is a fun meta game.

    I quite enjoyed this Monday.

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  11. CINNAMON BUN is definitely the star answer. Exactly what Rex said, perfect because of how different it is from the ROLL in the revealer. The other two are fine, but CINNAMON BUN steals the spotlight.

    I had BRIEL in place and had to tilt my head to see it was BRIE L. As soon as I realized it was BRIE I knew it was BRIE LARSON even though she could walk into my house right now and I wouldn’t know who she is. Thanks to the misogynists out there who made such a stink about a woman Captain Marvel that the resulting think pieces inspired by their ignominy made it through my MCU blocks, and thus helping my solve this morning.

    @Tony M - Type in Grand Central into the google machine and it helpfully suggests that I’m looking for Grand Central Station before suggesting I might want Grand Central Terminal before correctly suggesting that what I really want is a CINNAMON BUN from the Grand Central Bakery. Without looking it up I would have said that the RAILROAD terminal is inside the RAILROAD STATION. There is a technical difference between a terminal and a STATION occasionally used, but it’s not common enough to make any of the dictionaries online. The only spot I saw it was in a Wikipedia footnote.

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  12. Thx Tomas; perfect puz to start the week off with! :)

    Med.

    Went clockwise this time, from the NW back around to NorCal.

    All smooth; no major hitches along the way thx to fair crosses.

    STEVE Harvey and BRIE LARSON were new to me.

    I Pray that NAOMI Osaka will be able to bounce back! 🙏

    Enjoyed the ride. :)

    @jae (12:13 AM)

    Looking forward to it later today. :)

    @Tony M (12:58 AM)

    Had a similar 'side eye' for STATION. Thot, "ok, it's a xword, so it gets the nod." lol

    @Brian A in SLC (2:54 AM)

    Agreed re: animal abuse; also agree that inclusion in the puz raises awareness. Btw, it's called 'gavage feeding'. 'Gavage' is a word I learned via Spelling Bee.

    @okanaganer (1:39 AM) 👍 for 0 yd

    @Eniale (6:12 PM yd) 👍

    Still looking for a missing 6er from Wednes. 🤞
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    yd 0* / td pg - 5 (Fri. 0*, whew!)

    Peace ~ Compassion ~ Tolerance ~ Kindness to all 🕊

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  13. Easily Influenced6:44 AM

    I absolutely loved this one until I found out FOIE was in the grid(filled with crosses-didn't see it)and that STATION was wrong. I'm going to look for my own reasons to have HATED it. I'll post an update.

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  14. Perfect. Sweet Monday. @okanaganer, didn't see the movie because I read the book and was very impressed with it. Usually find movies of books are disappointing. Didn't know that about Canadian made flicks.

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  15. Fun puzzle - cute theme and well filled. Add me to the list that liked CINNAMON BUN. No idea on BRIE LARSON but the crosses were very fair.

    Not sure I would clue BESTIE as pal. Dated an Owl for awhile in the early 80s - big mistake. Those annoying AFLAC commercials are everywhere - the letter string looks constructor-friendly but I hope it doesn’t show up too much.

    Enjoyable Monday solve.

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  16. ANOTHER ONE does not seem especially terse. 'Another', or 'one more', or 'same again', or "fill 'er up". ANOTHER ONE by adding 'one' to something that already works, seems downright verbose.

    Rex is right that PAZ is not so hot, but his fix would add two more proper names to the grid. PAR/ROOS would work better.

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  17. I didn’t know Brie Laron but I had no trouble finishing this in a flash… except that the revealer meant nothing to me so I was mystified by the theme. Still am, a bit.

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  18. This certainly seems like it checks all of the appropriate boxes for a Monday. Comfortable theme that doesn’t try to hard - light on PPP (and of course I never heard of Brie Larsen - in fact didn’t know if s/he was male, female, or other) and the clues were pretty straightforward and fair. I don’t parse the themes to anywhere near the level that Rex (or some others here do) - as long as they are enjoyable to discern and solve. Tend to agree with Rex’s nit Re La PAZ (big surprise there, lol).

    I definitely agree with the consensus thus far that FOIE GRAS is evil. Disagree with those who advocate removing all of life’s unpleasantries or otherwise attempting to sanitize the puzzles each day (if you really want to improve them, rework them to a daily requirement that PPP has to be less than 25%).

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  19. Anonymous8:31 AM

    I'm doing my part. I don't eat FOIS Gras (never have). The puzzle commits no offense by including these words or any other words that aren't inherently offensive as words. The N word for example.

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  20. Don’t know Brie Larson but the crosses solved that part

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  21. Is Rex starting to channel @Southside ??? WTF ?

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  22. What a pleasant Monday. I am quite happy after reading the write up (speed reading is more accurate). Yes, Jeff was right in bestowing a POW on this puzzle. Not that I'm happy with him after beginning to plow through yesterday's gigantic puzzle. (I refer to the annual Puzzle Section of the Sunday NYT paper edition.)

    Joe D: Your comment today made me laugh. And a further addition to my comment of yesterday. Seek out the second album of the Nice. Sibelius, Dvorak, Bernstein, and the first movement of the Brandenburg Concerto #3 (my favorite "crossover"). [And perhaps more.] Such a pity Emerson committed suicide.

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  23. My five favorite clues from last week
    (in order of appearance):

    1. Aircraft that's 1% full? (7)(3)
    2. Untrained, perhaps (2)(7)
    3. Moles are found in it (8)
    4. Card games are played in it (3)
    5. Tender union? (8)


    PRIVATE JET
    IN DIAPERS
    TAQUERIA
    MLB
    EUROZONE

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  24. Agree with those who say BRIELARSON could walk in the door and be a stranger. Not only would she have to introduce herself, she we have to explain why I should know who she is. Another big hole in my pop culture knowledge base.

    My only nit was cluing DETER as "prevent", shades of meaning, but I don't find it synonymous.

    Had all the themers filled in and was trying to make the connection, couldn't, so the revealer was a very nice surprise and well done.

    Also, I read OFL and discover that ETTA is a far better answer than ATTA. Darn. And just when I was happy to see old friend ATTA again. Live and learn

    Very nice debut, TS. Totally Satisfying experience. Keep 'em coming, and thanks for the fun.

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  25. Amour. Monday morning, it was all I hoped it could be with a obviously delightful mind at work.

    Leap Ice T, here comes Steve Metal. Far Swan Tonya – Sport Tort. Cinnamon Bun Had, Another One please (I Wish). Tasty Snow, fewer calories.

    Tomas Spiers has also been published by the LA Times and Universal. So not exactly a Noob.

    For everyone who thinks Rex gets carried away with his negativity rants, here's an excerpt from Roger Ebert's review of North. Never heard of it? This may be why.

    "I hated this movie. Hated hated hated hated hated this movie. Hated it. Hated every simpering stupid vacant audience-insulting moment of it. Hated the sensibility that thought anyone would like it. Hated the implied insult to the audience by its belief that anyone would be entertained by it."

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  26. The whole time I was solving I was thinking this feels like a debut. And whatta ya KNOW? Congrats Tomas! Nicely done. This was quite TASTY, no SLOP anywhere.

    Now the POW designation is ANOTHER matter. I always get a little nervous when that happens on a Monday because it seems like a LEAP. Makes me wonder if it’s going to get worse from there. But this at least will be starting at a very high point.

    I just WISH we could have ONE puzzle a week with no RAP clues.

    We’ll now I’m RAPIDLY getting hungry for a CINNAMON ROLL. Sure beats FOIE gras with ONIONS.

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  27. Hey All !
    Nice to see CINNAMON BUN clued for Roll, as a certain U counter here has caused many a CINNAMON Roll to meet it's doom. Don't try to eat this one, @M&A!

    I thought this was a nice puz. Neat repurposing of Revealer STOP DROP AND ROLL. Don't see the ire that the SW corner caused Rex. Do like @kitshef 7:32 changing it to ROOS, however!

    Grand Central Terminal is the official name, although it is technically a STATION also. You do go there to board trains. Anyone see/remember the movie Inside Man? It starred Denzel Washington, Clive Owen, Chiwetel Ejiofor, Jodie Foster. Anyway, the bank robber asked the detective, "What weighs more, all the trains that pass through Grand Central Station in a year, or the trees cut down to print all U.S. currency in circulation?" Turns out, it was a trick question, as U.S. Currency is now printed on cotton, and Grand Central Station is the Post Office, the train STATION/Terminal is Grand Central Terminal.
    And I'm not even a New Yorker! 😁 Just a couch potato who watches a lot of movies.

    With all these Debuts, I can see why Will has stopped accepting new puz submissions for a couple of months. Hopefully someone is checking on him occasionally, as he might be buried under an onslaught of paper!
    (Although most submissions now are through the computer, I'm sure)

    yd -5 should'ves 3

    Two F's
    RooMonster
    DarrinV

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  28. I think of a fire safety technique as something you do to prevent fires, or to prepare you to deal with them -- like having fire extinguishers in accessible places, not putting old newspapers on top of your space heater, etc. -- rather than as something to do if you actually catch on fire. So when I did what @Lewis did -- viz., stop and try to figure out what the theme would be -- I got nowhere. But once I had the revealer, I liked it.

    Hey, all you terminal-case nitpickers, lighten up! You all knew what it meant.

    On to Tuesday!

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  30. I'm too old to have been taught STOPDROPANDROLL in school. It started in the seventies.

    I'm still high from seeing our under-talented qb Garapollo and our richly-talented te Kittle lift the Niners to a win in OT. I never know if Garapollo is going to throw a great pass or an interception.

    The pleasure of crossword solving for me comes from wordplay, seeing unusual words, and learning things. Jeff Chen and Lewis seem to get a lot of enjoyment out of figuring out the theme. Are most of us like that? Or is it that Jeff and Lewis are constructors?






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  31. Anonymous9:52 AM

    @pabloinnh. My nit with DETER is the "intimidation" part. I just don't think intimidation and DETER match up very well. A DETERrent need not be intimidating.

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  32. bagelboy10:05 AM

    Maybe picking nits here, but Grand Central Station is a post office. Grand Central Terminal has the railroad.

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  33. Essbee10:21 AM

    Fun, easy puzzle but second the complaint about Grand Central. There was a Grand Central Station (1900), but it was demolished almost immediately upon completion and replaced in 1910 by Grand Central Terminal (GCT). The legal action to preserve it went to the US Supreme Court (Penn Central v NY [1978]) and is a milestone case for the government's right to regulate privately-owned property.

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  34. Anonymous10:27 AM

    As usual, you had nothing really constructive to say. . . and, you took a half hour to say it. Good day.

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  35. Beezer10:48 AM

    Yep, hand up for filling in BRIELARSON with just the BI but not even knowing what movies she has been in or what she looks like. Looks like she picked a memorable stage name although I personally pass on CHEESE as a first name although I suppose as cheese goes it is one of the more elegant ones. Perhaps Cami (short for Camembert) could be another elegant cheese name for an actress.

    Very easy puzzle but I would never have gotten STOPDROPANDROLL without some crosses. Cute!

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  36. Ah....YES! A Monday that brings in some memories. Meeting my boyfriend at the Oyster Bar at Grand Central or my girlfriends "under the clock" for a day of shopping our hearts out.
    Then we have the FOIE discussion. I love that stuff. When I first ate it, my friend went into great detail about "gavage" and how they force feed the little ducks. Being the animal lover I am, I almost gagged on my pate. BUT.....I saw an Anthony Bourdain special on how he showed many farmers humanely treating their ducks. Evidently tube feeding is less distressing the taking the rectal temperature of a cat. I'd hate to have both done to me but then, you wouldn't want to eat my liver.
    I remember seeing that STOP DROP AND ROLL video when I was young and innocent. My brother use to say "stop, drop and kiss your ass good bye."
    Nice Monday, Tomas......My FOIE CRAB runneth over.

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  37. Joseph Michael11:06 AM

    One who’s always complaining, complaining, complaining. Sound like anyone we know?

    Kudos to Tomas Spiers. I’ll be waiting for ANOTHER ONE from you. This is the best Monday I’ve seen in a long time. Appropriately and pleasantly easy with a knockout revealer. And if I ever catch fire, I’ll know whom to thank for the reminder of what to do.

    @Son Volt (7:27). You dated an Owl in the early 80s?

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  38. Anonymous11:13 AM

    Sheesh. Rank igornace from the Times. Tony M is absolutely correct regarding Grand Central not being a station.

    Here's what the joint itself says on their website:

    Grand Central Terminal goes by many names, including Grand Central, the Terminal, and GCT. Just don’t call us “Grand Central Station”—that refers to the US Post Office down the street or the subway station below.


    This is quite well known. The distinction is a famous bit of NYC trivia. It shows up every now and then on TV and in movies. I recall one meorable exapmple from Die Hard 3. Give me ten minutes and after I eat some foie gras, I'll have more exapmples for you.

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  39. Anonymous11:15 AM

    Gill,

    The Oyster Bar is as good as it gets. And pay no attention to the scolds who are tut-tutting foie gras. Doubtless, they're the same folks who think the oyster Bar is in Grand Central Station.

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  40. Hard to read a comment linking OFL with Roger Ebert, even though I realise no direct comparison is implied. I was an avid reader of his revues from the day he started at the Chicago Sun Times, and a dedicated watcher of his TV gig, with fellow critic Gene Siskel. His love for the art form showed through every word he wrote or spoke, and he could also be bitingly sarcastic or tongue-in-cheek hysterical. Two of his interviews stand out in my mind, a bizarre road trip with Robert Mitchum wherev he just sits back as the fly on the wall and lets the great actor reveal himself, and an interview with Bob and Ray where the two comedians stay in the persona of there most famous characters throughout. Laugh out loud stuff.

    Wish I could provide links, but not that savvy.

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  41. Hey @Roo
    Also immediately thought of M$A whenI saw CINNAMON BUN.

    @Everyone

    GRAND CENTRAL STATON vs TERMINAL

    1. I've lived in NYC or it's suburbs for 82 years and have always heard it referred to as GRAND CENTRAL STATON.

    2. Google agrees. STATION gets 5 times the results (3.3 billion) than TERMINAL (568 million).

    3. The official name is Avenue of the Americas, but everyone still calls it Sixth Avenue.

    4. Penn STATION is the largest Post Office in the City, but no one refers to the train part as Penn Terminal.

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    1. Trains pass through STATIONS, but terminate at TERMINALS.

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  42. Cute theme. Needed revealer to see it which is nice. Relatively few 3-letter words and only 2 are abbreviations and the ilk. I find that nice. Yes, as @Rex stated, maybe it could have been better with some of the 4-letter words, but this puzzle worked for me as is.

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  43. To non-New Yorkers, Grand Central Station is a common term. As noted above, Google autopopulates “Grand Central station” above “Grand Central terminal”

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  44. Anonymous11:25 AM

    JC 66,
    Not everyone calls GST Grand central Station. And no one who does is correct. Doesnt matter how old you are, or how long you've been making the error.
    As for Google: who cares? The name is a fact not a referendum.

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  45. Neat theme twist, plus the coveted CINNAMONBUN entry. Automatic Puz of the Week (and the hungry dude at Xwordinfo.Chen agrees, btw).

    @RP: M&A was able to "improve" the FOIE/CFO area in 5 nanoseconds. My official findins:

    ACROSS.
    5. Duds
    15. Drooling comic strip doggie
    DOWN.
    5. The Green Slime of epic schlock flick fame, e.g.
    6. First one to the party?
    7. Uber offer

    Did I somehow miss @RP's proposed improvements?

    Important note, on polishin up yer puzgrids:
    1. Certainly often appreciated, by the solvers.
    2. Sometimes it don't take all that long to polish up an isolated puzgrid area.
    But, but …
    3. Let's say they're payin U around $200-300 money-bucks for a published puz.
    4. Let's say they accept about 1 in 10 of yer humbly submitted puzs. (About right, at our house)
    5. Then U are gettin rewarded to the tune of around $25 per puz.
    6. If U spend about 12.5 hours buildin and cluin up and refinin and recluin yer average puz, U are makin about 2 bucks per hour, max. Less, dependin on how much extra polishin U want to take on.

    staff weeject pick: PAZ. Mainly becuz …
    fave moo-cow eazy-E MonPuz clue: {La ___ (Bolivian capital)} = PAZ.

    Kinda hard for m&e to call Scrabble Twerkin on that sweet, harmless Z in PAZ/ZOOS, when it's the only exotic letter (no J-Q-X's) in the whole puzgrid.

    Thanx for the excellent puz, Mr. Spiers dude. And congratz on yer debut. STOP and DROP by again, soon. Bring C-ROLLS.

    Masked & Anonymo4Us


    slightly Xmas-ish:
    **gruntz**

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  46. bagelboy11:30 AM

    Hey JC66
    Penn Station (the train station) is an actual station and is not a terminal. Trains pass through one end and come out the other. That makes it a station. A train terminal is where the train tracks end.

    Amtrak trains pass through Penn Station on the way from Washington to Boston. All the trains into GCT terminate there and need to go back north from where they came.

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  47. Beezer11:40 AM

    @Tony M etc, Grand Central is both an above ground train terminal and a subway train STATION. Both types run on railroads. Most of the US think of the structure as Grand Central Station. No one ever has said “This place is as busy as Grand Central Terminal.” C’mon, now.

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  48. Much Ado About Nothing11:41 AM

    What a tough crowd this is (today is no exception). It's somewhat amusing to see how passionate people are about their terminology. To me, the clue for 17A is very simple: "Grand Central, for one". Apparently, there is a train station in NYC named "Grand Central Terminal", so RAILROAD STATION is a perfectly acceptable answer. The fact that there is a post office nearby with a similar sounding name is irrelevant.

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  49. Just read yesterdays' responses to my "Sweet Caroline" comment. Thanks, responders, even you, @Z.

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  50. @bagelboy
    Amtrak trains pass through Penn Station on the way from Washington to Boston. All the trains into GCT terminate there and need to go back north from where they came.


    Not the subway trains.

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  51. KnittyContessa11:51 AM

    A nice way to start the week. Does anyone else remember Dick Van Dyke - who's celebrating his 96th birthday today - doing the PSA for Stop, Drop and Roll back in the 70s?

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  52. Anonymous11:55 AM

    JC 66,
    Right. GCT is not realated to the subway.
    Tony M, Bagelboy and I are correct. take the loss.

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  53. Oh, yikes....We've gone from killing geese and eating their livers to GCT. I only lived in NYC for 2 plus years but boy oh boy, I'm with @JC66. But then, I always just called it Grand Central.

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  54. Anonymous12:08 PM

    Beezer, No one is denying that a lot of people aven most peopla re wrong about the name of GST. Popularity is not a substitue for accuaracy.

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  55. As far as the whole Grand Central hubbub: the people who feel the obligation to post something EVERY DAY ... have got to say something no matter how trivial or repetitive.

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  56. I'm on team Grand Central Terminal *is* a railroad station. Terminals are subsets of Stations.

    A "terminus" or "terminal" is a station at the end of a railway line. Trains arriving there have to end their journeys (terminate) or reverse out of the station

    One-upping the pedantry, the technical definition of a Stop is any boarding place that does not rise to the level of a Station, so the theme does not work ;)

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  57. @pablo (9:20) and @Anonymous (9:52) Regarding DETER, I completely agree. Simply “prevent” or “discourage” would’ve been sufficient in the clue.

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  58. My favorite comments this morning.

    Lewis (9:18)
    JD (9:35)

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  59. A creative theme, including an irresistible CINNAMON BUN, made for a delightful Monday. After having the three theme answers in place, I pondered in vain what in the world they had in common. Then I read the clue for the reveal and had to ponder some more what "fire safety technique" actually meant (hi, @jberg 9:46). And then through some brain presto chango I had it: STOP DROP AND ROLL. Loved the word play and enjoyed the rare-day-in-May pleasure of getting a reveal with no crosses.

    @Tony M 12:58 and other "Terminal" commenters - Thank you for this lore - I had no idea. Around these Midwestern parts, the exclamation for a flurry of household activity which is already on the verge of getting out of hand and then the phone ringing and somebody coming to the door is "Grand Central STATION!." I think the image relies not only on the idea of a general bustle but also of the rush to change trains (running into people, fears of missing the connection) - it was a letdown to learn that this doesn't actually happen at Grand Central (I know, I read about the subway, but for me that's somehow not the same).

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  60. Aunt Hattie12:26 PM

    Does anyhone remember the introdution to the old radio program that intoned--"Grand Central STATION, crossroad of a million private lives"???

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  61. I didn't know BRIE LARSON, but what slowed me down was stupidly writing reDO instead of UNDO. Took forever to see it.

    I would have said that Terminals were subsets of stations.

    Agree ANOTHER ONE is not terse. Why not clue it "What bit the dust?" Too hard for Monday?

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  62. Anonymous12:45 PM

    Carola,
    Take heart saying grand Central is not only 100% Ok it is the most common way to refer to Grand Central terminal. Gill mentioned that's the term sje used while living in new York, and even tough JC 66 is all wet regarding the staion/ Termnal distimction, I'll bet dollars to dnuts he too--like most of us--only used the two words Grand Central.
    And if you really want to use the argo of the Apple, the S train--also called the Grand Central Shuttle ( it's a subway line) is nearlys shortened to simply The Shuttle. Hope that helps.

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  63. Anonymous12:50 PM

    It's time for the terminal pedants to remove their sticks.

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  64. I think we might have played a game called STOPDROPANDROLL in college. It involved abandoning your studies, taking a mess of acid and hitting the town. Speaking of LSD, I’m reading an old montage, called Gonzo, put together by Jann Wenner and someone else about Hunter S. Thompson. It consists of, typically 1/2 page or so snippets organized around various aspects of, and incidents in, HST’s life (and I don’t mean Harry Truman). The snippets are taken from what must have been fairly lengthy interviews with an astonishing variety of people who ran with Hunter. It is a fantastic read.

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  65. Anonymous12:56 PM

    Not a New York City-ite by any means, but go there a rather lot (MetroNorth), and I've never heard it called anything but 'Grand Central'. Not station or terminal, just 'Grand Central'. After all, how many others are there? Oh, wait, wasn't that a deli guesting on Letterman's show??? Not sure, not bothering to look it up.

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  66. old timer1:15 PM

    Not as enjoyable as many Mondays are, but Easy, as it should be.

    The reason Grand Central is not a station is that a station is a stop on a line that goes on to some other location. A terminal is a place where there are no through trains. Grand Central is a Terminal. Penn is a station. Trains arriving there from the West can go on to Long Island. So trains from Boston can loop around to the LIRR in Queens, stop at Penn Station and continue on to New Jersey and points South. So a more accurate clue for RAILROAD STATION would be, "Penn, but not Grand Central."

    Los Angeles has a famous, elegant Union Station, that is also, technically, the Union Passenger Terminal. All trains come to an end at the UPT, and trains going on to San Diego have to back up, re-cross the Los Angeles River, and join the old Santa Fe route to Orange County. Before Amtrak, passengers would have to change trains at Union Station, and in most cases change railroad lines too.

    FOIE GRAS is good eating. And I learned today that there is a producer in Spain that actually makes it from wild geese, with no need for lavage. The birds are trapped, and given food they enjoy eating that enlarges their livers to a suitable size. They then of course meet the fate of all the other animals we eat. A short life, but a happy one in its closing weeks. Someone ought to figure out how to do this with Canada Geese, which are such a nuisance in many places that it is necessary to hunt them down and kill them.

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    1. Not enjoyable? I’m a real old timer, and I say to you “get a life”. Lots of things not to enjoy. But a puzzle ain’t one of them.

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  67. On my first trip to NYC, I stayed at the Grand Central Hyatt (not my choice.) The first morning I went down to the lobby and hung out, watching people rush through. It was a very snowy day and I was amazed at all of the people out and about at that time of the morning. I remember thinking, "Wow, it's like Grand Central Station here..." and then realizing it was Grand Central Station (or right next to it anyway.) (Hi @Carola). (Later that night, I was concentrating on crossing the street when my friend spun me around on the median and said, "Look up, you're in the middle of Times Square." Cool, and lots of neon.)

    A very sweet theme. I was a tiny bit annoyed when BRIE LARSON took up so much acreage in the downs. Now, having looked her up, I find I should know who she is because I watched all three seasons of "The United States of Tara", which was pretty entertaining. Sorry, Brie!

    STOP, DROP, AND ROLL brings to mind the STOP, LOOK and LISTEN poem my mom taught me on how to cross the street. Use your eyes, use your ears, and then use your feet.

    Tomas Spiers, congratulations on your NYT debut and getting POW over at xwordinfo.

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  68. Anonymous1:34 PM

    @old timer:
    Someone ought to figure out how to do this with Canada Geese

    Yes, they are a nuisance, esp. those of us well north of the Mason-Dixon Line. OTOH, how about tofu foie gras?? I'll bet there already is. Too lazy to check.

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  69. I sure hope BRIE LARSON doesn’t stop by here to find out how little-known she is despite winning an Oscar and starring in a big-budget superhero movie. I mostly hate superhero movies that seem like endless recycling and “top that” CGI. So I didn’t see Captain America. But Room was great, and she deserved that Oscar.

    Regarding the comment that the book was set in Canada but the movie switched it to the US: It may not be that people in the US won’t watch a movie set in Canada so much as that we wouldn’t believe a Canadian capable of the horror inflicted on the woman and her son by the bad guy.

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  70. Sharonak2:14 PM

    @easily influenced 6:44
    Thanks for the chuckle

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  71. Beezer3:08 PM

    I think it is now time to discuss that Times Square is not geometrically a square and closer to the shape of a bow tie.

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  72. @Wanderlust - Several people seem to know and like BRIE LARSON. Personally, I know winning major awards is usually enough justification to be puzzle-worthy, but as a clue it is almost always zero help to me because I don’t watch any award shows or care who wins any of the awards. So “award-winning” in a clue could just as easily be “person famous enough to be in a puzzle.” Given that I got the name from basically the first name suggests she is famous enough to be in a puzzle. I’m still glad all the crosses were fair.

    @Whatsername, @Anon9:52, and @Pabloinnh - Interesting. I had no problem with the clue because I don’t typically hear DETER with it’s more benign connotations. It comes from the same root as “terror” does and the foremost usage in my mind is always in the context of “mutual assured destruction” as a policy to DETER the use of nuclear weapons. If used in reference to a person I would always take it to mean an element of intimidation was involved.

    @TJS - His love for the art form showed through every word he wrote or spoke, and he could also be bitingly sarcastic or tongue-in-cheek hysterical. - That’s the nicest thing you’ve ever written about Rex. 😂😂😂

    @mathgent - Are most of us like that? - I used to like figuring out themes more, but it is actually quite hard to come up with a good original theme (today’s is above average) so I like themed puzzles less than I like themeless puzzles. Themeless puzzles are less constrained and provide more opportunity for wordplay, whereas a themed puzzle often succeeds or fails on whether or not the theme lands.

    BTW - Grand Central Station.
    Also BTW - RAILROAD STATION
    Also Also BTW - I’m reminded of the company that makes Legos thinking they get to decide what the plural is. 🤣😂🤣😂🤣
    It was early when I posted this morning, and the discussion has been guffaw inducing at times, but 42 seconds of googling seems to have captured the essence of everyone’s points. There is a technical difference between a terminal and a station (mentioned in that footnote I mentioned), but Grand Central Terminal is a RAILROAD STATION and is commonly (though clearly not exclusively) and historically (love the Breakfast at Tiffany’s snippet shared by @OffTheGrid) known as Grand Central Station (also mentioned in that Wikipedia article and other places online).
    Finally, Im still waiting for a Grand Central Bakery CINNAMON BUN review. I assume somebody in Portland or Seattle can fill us in.

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  73. Anonymous5:20 PM

    Was anyone else taught in school that AFLAC (accent on the first syllable) does not rhyme with quack?

    I was taught that the rhyme has to involve the accented syllable and all syllables thereafter in both words. So if AFLAC were accented on the second syllable, it would rhyme with quack. But since it is accented on the first syllable, it does not.


    Villager

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  74. Efforts to settle the Great Grand Central Question Conflict of 2021 (TGGCQC) continued with on-again, off-again armistice negotiations but were never completely fruitful. Given that causalities were nil, talks were abandoned when the next puzzle dropped and everyone forgot about it.

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  75. @Villager - Not that I recall and apparently that’s technically a “perfect rhyme.” Sounds more like an “overly fastidious rhyme” to me, and I question the assertion in the link that it is (t)he most familiar and widely-used form of rhyming. Not that I’m saying they are wrong, just that I doubt very much they’ve actually checked in any way that makes the statement verifiable. Now I really want someone to do the research using Rap and Hip Hop lyrics and let everyone know if perfect rhyme is the most widely used rhyme form.

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  76. Went by too fast, didn't see the ANOTHER ONE clue or answer, and not wading into the Grand Central controversy. When I was a child the train went to Hoboken (now that's a sane train terminus) and then you took the PATH. Now we have Midtown Direct to the nightmare that is Penn STATION. Which means Lyft gets some bucks from us on nights when we just can't deal with the train situation.

    Surprised ofl didn't complain about TONYA.

    Weirdly, even though I thought BRIE LARSON was wonderful in Room (and in Short Term 12), getting her name took more than looking sideways (hi @Z) and I was mentally running vowels for 20A (never heard of the guy) and it was step 2 ("e" makes STEVE, that'll work) when I went, duh, BRIE LARSON.

    Keeping the Mondays well under 6 minutes. Haha. When did @RP stop posting his times? We used to say "took me 3 rexes" but can't do that anymore. I'll bet this was 2 or 3 rexes at least.

    Roll on, Tuesday

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  77. Beezer6:29 PM

    @JD…🤣🤣🤣

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  79. @okanoganer: If you only saw the movie "Room" you missed a great piece of writing. The book, By Emma Donoghue, packs an unbelievable wallop. It takes a good while before you get the picture, and then you're totally horrified and fascinated. At least that was true for me - my (very adult) son just got horrified and stopped reading.

    td pg -1

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  80. @JD 5:30...Wins the comment of the day.......xoxo

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  81. Anonymous8:36 PM

    It was mid wits, right?
    Also, you know it’s accurate. Nuke it all you want. But it doesn’t make the blowhards right.

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  82. Anonymous8:46 PM

    Go to Grand Central Terminals website. There you will see them pleading for you not to mistake it for or call it Grand Ventral,Station.
    Not sure why anyone would describe this as a controversy. Are people who claim the earth is flat engaged in a controversy with those who say the earth is not flat?

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  83. I had my second eye operated pn, cataracts out, stent for glaucoma and new lens in. No complications. So far so fine.

    I am not up for reading much so I have not read all the Grand Central stuff. But I would say the complaints doubly fail.
    First Grand Central Terminal is commonly called Grand Central and it is a terminal station.

    Next, the clue is Grand Central, for one. One Grand Central is the one under the terminal which is officially Grand Central Station. A SUBWAY station you object. Definition of subway: an electric underground railroad.

    So in both cases you lose on technicalities at least as good as the ones you have introduced.

    But you say should not the clue be written so there are no technicalities? Yeah, but that is just a technicality.

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  84. @Anon 8:46

    Are the Grand Central Terminal pleaders the same as the don't call us Legos pleaders?


    And, going back to @offthegrid's 7:01 video, get in to any NYC taxi and say "GRAND CENTRAL STATION" and see where they take you.

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  85. Anonymous9:54 PM

    Albatross, there is plenty of evidence of supernatural beings in the world. The Gospels for a start.
    But of course you reject The Good News, though as you’ve chafed so often, that rejection ends in the grave.

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  86. Anonymous10:06 PM

    JC 66
    Really?NYC cabbies are the arbiter of truth? 🤣
    Oh you’re serious? Let me laugh even harder🤣🤣🤣🤣

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  87. Just as Florence Nightingale had a sister named Geneva, BRIE LARSON has a sibling named Camembert, who's fairly runny.I know that's cheesy, and I gets cheesier AS I GO.

    Given 23A, had to come and wave to the long-time BESTIES, given that I AM OUR BEST, I.E., our only LEAP. Hope none of the besties are suffering from terminal illness. Moi am still suffering from yesterSUN'S LABtechnician, but I am nothing if not DETERred.

    But then, you know me: I'd rather Livability than DIALECTrick. It has absolutely helped to get rid of my SNOWy brAIDE, and I now SPORT a CINNAMON BUN

    @OISK, sorry you never heard SAIL ON; how about Brick House?
    @Roomie, any bylines in our future? Nil desperandum, good buddy!
    Ola, Gilly-fleur and teedmn et alii (I'd say etc etc, except that some would MARK ETC RASH)

    There's a TON YA could say about this TSpiers MonPuzz, but I'll just call it STOP, DROP and DROLL

    PS -- Is that how you spell Bill MAWR?

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  88. PS I absolove the idea of a Grand Ventral Station.

    I'll see it and raise you a Grand Dorsal Station.

    Didn't we recently have TYPE-A in a grid? Guess I must be a TYPE-O

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  89. If I hailed a cab and said "Take me to Grand Central Station" and the driver said "Oh, you mean the post office?" I would get out of that cab so fast...

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  90. @Eniale 7:43 pm; thanks for the recommendation. I have not read any Emma Donoghue and will try to get hold of the book.

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  91. Osprey12:58 PM

    Am I the only one who was annoyed MARKET CRASH and BLACK FRIDAY have exactly the same number of letters? I filled in the latter almost first thing I did, and it took me way too long to realize my mistake...

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  92. Re FOIE: Once again OFF objects to content...although I will say that I once saw the way they force-feed those poor geese: they stick a tube way down...oh. never mind. Suffice to say I will never order pate, or even dine at any place that serves it. Seeing it in a puzzle? well, it's just "fill," in the same way as ATTA* is just fill, but there is an emotional reaction. But that's on me, not the constructor.

    What IS on the constructor is the puzzle as a whole. Getting to the first themer, RAILROADSTATION--which sounds like "hoagie sandwich--" left me with the feeling: boy I hope it gets better than THIS! Then the revealer. You hope it gives you an aha! Or at least an "Okay, I see what you did there," but here all I got was an "Oh PLEASE." Groan optional.

    Sorry, Tomas, but I do not need ANOTHERONE. Despite the stunning BRIELARSON as DOD, this one's going down as a double-bogey.

    *You guys know from previous posts about my aversion to Mohammed ATTA, one of the 9/11ers.

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  93. Burma Shave11:52 AM

    RAP ANOTHERONE

    STOP AND PAWS, it's OLDE but TRUE,
    TONYA was well KNOWN in her SPORT.
    Now she's HATED, IWISH I NEW
    why it HAD to END in a TORT.

    --- NAOMI LARSON

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  94. Not ONE mention above of the PAWS PAZ homonym. And only ONE of the TROT/TORT cross. The commentariat is slipping.

    I don't keep up on the superhero flicks but knew the name of yeah baby BRIELARSON.

    Kinda PERT in the corners.

    Acceptable, not the BESTIE.

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  95. The outrage over FOI gras is justified. Yes it is disgusting. However, all meat has an element of cruelty to some degree. Does Rex eat hamburgers? Does his cat eat tofu?

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  96. Edit: Make that FOIE gras. With an E.

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  97. Diana, LIW1:31 PM

    A CINNIMONBUN for now, maybe CRAB later. Won't get into the rest.

    No, @Foggy, I've never met a tofu-eating cat, but I doubt that they would turn up their pert little noses.

    Happy Monday!

    Diana, Lady-in-Waiting for Crosswords

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  98. To D,LIW:

    https://www.appliancesonline.com.au/academy/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Tofudebeast.jpg

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  99. Diana, LIW5:59 PM

    @Foggy - the link didn't work (or I couldn't make it work) but I did get to see some FarSide cartoons. None with cats and tofu.

    D,LIW

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  100. leftcoaster7:17 PM

    Many years ago, my grandma used to make incredible CINNAMON ROLLs (not “BUNs"), hot out of the often, then cooled down to a TASTY warm, sweet, fragrance. Having scarfed one down, my inclination was to ask for ANOTHER ONE.

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