Relative difficulty: Easy
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| [2D: "Star Wars" planet where Luke Skywalker rides a tauntaun (HOTH) / 44D: Padmé ___ (mother of Luke and Leia Skywalker (AMIDALA)] |
Theme answers:
Corner to corner, nonstop! Across Down Across Down, bam bam bam bam all the way! I got to the bottom, looked back up, thought "well, that was weird," and then continued, knowing that whatever theme trickery awaited me, it probably wasn't going to hold me up for long. That first pass through the grid alone gave me So Much Traction. Without even knowing it, I'd already filled in almost half the revealer! While I liked much of the fill (AS WE SPEAK, IGUANODON, that clue on STRIPTEASE (28D: Show that ends in disarray?)), a little too much of it SWUNG toward crosswordese. A lot of overfamiliar stuff. From EGAD and ASONE and ASP in the SW to ELL and ENTS in the NE ... ATIT APU CEO ETAS ERGS IONA ... the always odious ODEA. And then there's SAPOR, a word I've only ever seen in crosswords (it's adjectival form is SAPID, so, you know, keep your eye out for that ... someday). It's been four years since we've seen SAPOR, which tells you how ungreat a word it is. With those letters? If it were anything like an ordinary word, we'd be seeing it way more often. I wouldn't really mind it if the puzzle weren't already drowning in crosswordy stuff. Also, even though I think it's a fair cross for APIA, SAMOA, I can easily imagine that some solver(s) wrote in SAVOR, which seems like a perfectly reasonable answer for 52D: Taste. That would give you AVIA, SAMOA, but if I'm being very very honest ... you could convince me that AVIA was, in fact, the capital of Samoa. Like, if you just called it that in conversation, I probably wouldn't blink. Of course AVIA is a shoe, not a city, but crosswordese lives in weird heaps and jumbles inside my brain, and I can't always tell one bit from the other when I'm fumbling around in the dark. Would love to know if there were any AVIA / SAVOR victims today. Confess! It's OK, you're pre-forgiven!
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- STUTTGART (w/ four "T"s gone => SUGAR) (17A: *Honeybunch)
- TELL-ALLS (w/ four "L"s gone => TEAS) (25A: *Afternoon socials)
- BASSISTS (w/ four "S"s gone => BAIT) (49A: *Worms or flies, often)
- APIA, SAMOA (w/ four "A"s gone => PISMO) (60A: *___ Beach, Calif.)
Ossetia [...] is an ethnolinguistic region on both sides of the Greater Caucasus Mountains, largely inhabited by the Ossetians. The Ossetian language is part of the Eastern Iranian branch of the family of Indo-European languages. Most countries recognize the Ossetian-speaking area south of the main Caucasus ridge as lying within the borders of Georgia, but it has come under the control of the de facto government of the Russian-backed State of Alania. The northern portion of the region consists of the Republic of North Ossetia–Alania within the Russian Federation. (wikipedia)
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This theme is kind of interesting, even if at its core it's just a bunch of ordinary clues for ordinary short fill. I mean, [Worm or flies often] = BAIT—you might see that in any puzzle and not give it a second look. The opposite of remarkable. But add those four letters (in the case of BAIT, four "S"s) and you've got yourself enough wackery and confusion for a Thursday theme, I guess. I say "I guess" because I'm not quite sure it's enough. Once you suss the theme—not hard to do, since the revealer is easy to uncover—then you really are just dealing with ordinary clue/answers and the only "mystery" is what those extra four letters are going to be and where they're going to go, and that's never hard to figure out, esp. with all four extra letters being the same letter. Plus the rest of the puzzle, the non-theme part, was something like Tuesday-easy. The concept feels Thursday-worthy, but in practice, it provided about as much resistance as a wet paper towel. Still, the wordplay at the core of the puzzle works, and it was kind of fun watching the four- or five-letter answers appear from inside the longer answers. It's got something, this puzzle, even if that something does feel a little slight.Outside the theme, results are mixed. First of all, as usual, the puzzle is just too easy. I solve by working crosses rather than hopping around, and today this resulted, strangely, in my going coast-to-coast before I'd even really started. I drifted into the middle and once I got there I was like "can I just keep going?" and it turns out yes. All the way:
The one ????? today was OSSETIA. Talk about a no-hoper. I had -SSETIA and still wasn't sure how to finish it off. The Times used it once back in 1956, and then once again in the mid '90s, and then I guess it's in constructors' wordlists now. A real "my software said it's real!" kind of answer. Of course, OSSETIA is located precisely in that part of the world where my geographical knowledge (only semi-reliable on a good day) is the absolute worst. That Europe-Asia blur. Near the western Stans. Just a mental-map dead zone for me. Doesn't help that OSSETIA is not a country but a region, one that straddles countries and is divided into a North and South. North OSSETIA is in Russia and South OSSETIA is in Georgia ... but South OSSETIA has now apparently been annexed by Russia, or is essentially under Russian control, so who the hell knows? All I know is that answer stood out like a fly in my cereal—the one thing I didn't know today, and I really didn't know it. Extreme not-knowing. Random letters. Between AVIA I mean APIA, SAMOA and OSSETIA, a real geographical adventure today.
[62A: Hit 1977 musical that included Franklin D. Roosevelt as a character]
- 19A: Group of spellers? (COVEN) — "spellers?" = ones who cast spells. It's a (very) old pun.
- 21A: Back-to-basics regimen (PALEO DIET) — does this clue work for the PALEO DIET industry? Big Paleo? "Back-to-basics" is ... questionable. What is "basics?" This is PR, not science. Avoiding heavily processed food is a good idea, sure, but this idea that you can (or should) eat like Paleolithic Man seems dubious at best:
The diet avoids food processing and typically includes vegetables, fruits, nuts, roots, and meat and excludes dairy products, grains, sugar, legumes, processed oils, salt, alcohol, and coffee.[Historians can trace the ideas behind the diet to "primitive" diets advocated in the 19th century. In the 1970s, Walter L. Voegtlin popularized a meat-centric "Stone Age" diet; in the 21st century, the best-selling books of Loren Cordain popularized the "Paleo diet". As of 2019 the Paleolithic diet industry was worth approximately US$500 million.
In the 21st century, the sequencing of the human genome and DNA analysis of the remains of anatomically modern humans have found evidence that humans evolved rapidly in response to changing diet. This evidence undermines a core premise of the Paleolithic diet—that human digestion has remained essentially unchanged over time. Paleoanthropological evidence has indicated that prehistoric humans ate plant-heavy diets that regularly included grains and other starchy vegetables, in contrast to the claims made by proponents of the Paleolithic diet. (wikipedia)
- 26A: Caddies, in golf slang (LOOPERS) — golf slang, BRODATEs, and PALEO DIET—puzzle's trying real hard to flex its manliness. I weirdly knew LOOPERS from ... some dimly remembered James Ellroy novel? One of his early ones? I'm reading online that Ellroy himself was a golf caddy for years, so the connection makes sense, even if I can't remember what exactly I read. I just remember thinking LOOPERS was pretty cool, as golf slang goes.
- 33A: Scare off (DETER) — for some reason, this was the second-hardest thing in the puzzle for me to get (after OSSETIA, lol). I had -TER and no idea what to do with it. In my mind, there's some kind of intensity gap between "scaring" and merely "deterring."
- 24D: Hydrox lookalike (OREO) — I like that the clue gets the timeline right here. Hydrox preceded OREO by five years or so.
Oreo was created in 1912 as an imitation of Hydrox, but eventually surpassed it in popularity. This resulted in the Hydrox cookies being perceived by many as an imitation of Oreo, despite the opposite being the case. Compared to Oreos, Hydrox cookies have a less sweet filling and a crunchier cookie shell that is less soggy when dipped in milk. (wikipedia)
- 32D: Long time follower? (AGO) — in the common phrase "a long time AGO" (in a galaxy far, far away) (double Star Wars day today! that happens once in a blue moon ... therefore, the double Star Wars clue phenomenon will be known henceforth as a Blue Endor)
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ReplyDeleteMedium, maybe even Medium-Challenging. I didn't get the theme/gimmick until I came here, so I had to get all the theme answers except the revealer from crosses. I agree with @Rex that the puzzle is easy "Once you suss the theme" but I disagree that sussing the theme is "not hard to do, since the revealer is easy to uncover." I got the revealer and I kept trying to insert the letters f-o-u-r into the theme answers to make sense of the clues (Honeybunch = STUTTfourGART? STUfourTTGART?). Luckily, as OFL noted, "the non-theme part was something like Tuesday-easy."
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Overwrites:
CAReT before CARAT for the 7D weight.
At 8D I wanted something along the lines of ARTists' (something), but couldn't get anything to fit until crosses forced ART LESSONS.
BRO time before DATE at 10D. Is either really a thing?
My 52D taste was to SAvOR before it was SAPOR.
Since the themer at 60A was no help, I tried every vowel at K_NG (55D) before getting that the clue was a reference to checkers. I must've taken a double dose of stupid pills this morning.
WOEs:
I've never heard of caddies - either the golf kind or the automotive kind - called "LOOPERS" (26A).
Caucasus region OSSETIA at 42D.
EDITH Hamilton at 56A.
Resisted TATAMI MAT at 34D because I thought it was redundant. Isn't a TATAMI implicitly a MAT?
@Rex: How many bad Star Wars puns are we going to have to ENDOR?
I also found it medium-challenging, and had a very similar solving experience.
DeleteAgree the theme was not a gimme, used same approach with revealer but didn't get it till after I finished. Medium time.
DeletePretty much the same as you. Totally agree.
DeleteAlso, I play and watch golf all the time and never heard the term looper. Then again I don't use a caddy.
Toughest Wednesday puzzle in a very long time
DeleteBill Murray mentioned that he was a looper for the Dalai Lama in the movie Caddyshack.
DeleteThis was very challenging for me. Like the constructor and I speak a different language or something. I had to cheat a few times.
DeleteHand up for AvIASAMOA/SAvOR. Also IONe/NeTS, two crossing sportsball clues. I must have been thinking of the erstwhile crossword favorite Ione Skye.
ReplyDeleteSame.
DeleteThe Washington Nationals (NATS, as frequently in puzzles) have a script (curly) W on their hats/uniforms.
DeleteThe IONA Gaels basketball team was once coached by Jim Valvano (of "don't give up, don't ever give up" fame).
I once read that Valvano, new in his job, mingled at a dinner party and introduced himself to someone as "Hello, Jim Valvano, Iona College", for which the response was ""Really?... which one?"
Apocryphal or not, it cracked me up.
Same! It was the one mistake that delayed my completion of the puzzle a couple minutes. And then after correctly changing V to P, I still had no idea what an APIASAMOA was.
DeleteIf you include AGO, it was a triple Star Wars reference today along with HOTH and AMIDALA.
ReplyDelete😁
DeleteA trilogy even
DeleteBoth Murray brothers, as former loopers themselves, use the term ‘loopers’ in the greatest looper movie of all time, of course.
ReplyDeleteYep, that's how I pulled that one.
DeleteWanted BAGGER for LOOPER. Wasn't Bagger Vance about golf? Isn't J.uvenile D.ope Vance about loopy-ness?
DeleteAn odd young man was a looper for me once at my home course. Although I drove it well, I lost all my cash on round bets and had no money to tip him.
DeleteI appreciated what felt like old school NYT clueing and enjoyed this puzzle. Did not at all get the theme until reading this though. Fun nonetheless.
ReplyDeleteMedium-Challenging. I understood the theme as soon as I cracked the first one, but that took a LONG time. I couldn't get purchase anywhere except the NE.
ReplyDeleteI only knew LOOPERS from Caddyshack, but that means I got it instantly, so I can't complain
ReplyDeleteYou got that going for you.
DeleteWhich is nice
DeleteEnjoyed a Thursday puzzle for a change (and solved it with zero cheats). Main issue was looking for the (missing) letters f-o-r instead of four identical letters. Finally I saw "bait" by removing s-s-s-s from BASSISTS. Then it became easy.
ReplyDeleteMemo for Will Shortz: It might be time to start counting the days without an OREO reference.
Last week’s 13 colonies rebus set the bar - today we have regression to the mean but all in all a decent puzzle. The theme works - Rex summarizes nicely. Once the revealer falls it did assist in grokking the remaining themers. STUTTGART - SUGAR is the highlight.
ReplyDeleteDreamboat ANNIE
Overall fill felt a little off - although I liked the long downs well enough - IGUANODON, TATAMI MAT, STRIP TEASE. I’ve been out far too many times in my life but never on a BRO DATE. Same with PALEO - where’s my beloved loaf of semolina? There’s something inherently wrong there. Limited glue - smooth sailing all through this grid.
Avenging ANNIE
Enjoyable enough Thursday morning solve.
ANNIE laid her head down in the roses
@Sun Volt - thank for It Must Have Been The Roses... nice touch to my Thursday.
DeleteI agree with Conrad; I didn’t get the theme, nor did I think this puzzle was easy at all.
ReplyDeleteI agree
DeleteAgree, I would have never gotten foregone from renounced either. I think of foregone as in a foregone conclusion, as in predetermined. Never heard it mean renounced. And lots of other ones like cavil, hasp, ergs... come on Rex, definitely not easy
DeleteAgree. This was a slog for me and eventually a DNF.
DeleteHand up for savor/avia. Had no idea about the gimmick until I came here. Too much Star Wars, ugh.
ReplyDeleteTotally what I thought too. And enough with oreo
DeleteObscure Star Wars, too!
DeleteNot easy for me. It was not a foregone conclusion I would complete this one but I eventually did.
ReplyDeleteSolved the puzzle, but with no clue at all about the theme. Had to figure that out after the fact.
ReplyDeleteReally hated that TATAMI/AMIDALA/EDITH section, none of which I knew but at least I guessed correctly. Never heard the term LOOPERS before, either, and I know I always have a sniggle of doubt about IGUANODON or IGUANaDON, but LOOPERS sounded better than LOaPERS.
Ah, a Throwback Thursday, a puzzle for this day of the week that felt like they used to feel regularly, and not all that long ago. Resistance during the fill-in; resistance in cracking the tricky theme.
ReplyDeleteYes! More like this, please!
My favorite answers were CAVIL and the sing-song IGUANODON, and two lovely aha-triggering clues were [Double-decker checker] with its wily pun on “checker”, and [Show that ends in disarray?] for STRIPTEASE, and its wily pun on “disarray”.
When I finally saw the four Ts in STUTTGART, took them away and saw SUGAR, well, that was sweet indeed.
The perfect chaser was Brad’s constructor note over at WordPlay (which is copied in a reply). There’s a man with a good sense of humor.
Thank you Brad and Nat for your satisfying and entertaining Thursday-worthy creation!
(Brad's note) -- "Just for the record, I did NOT write a computer program to find today’s theme answers. That would be cowardly and shameful. Instead, I made this puzzle the good old-fashioned way: I asked Nat to write a computer program."
DeleteLove Brad's note; thanks!
DeleteThe puzzle definitely reads like AI to me. A few answers are just slightly off, including the revealer FORGONE, that wouldn’t ever be used as a synonym to renounced, even if it’s technically in the definition listing in a dictionary.
DeleteA lot of specialized knowledge and another of the those themes where the answer is initially gibberish and then you hopefully figure it out later. I’m not a fan of spending a whole section parsing together things like AMIDALA, TATAMI MAT, APIASAMOA, TOGA and an EDITH all in the hopes that they end up being correct. Similarly, up in the NW you have HOTH, THANE, ODEA, LOOPERS and another gibberish theme entry.
ReplyDeleteRex drops a lot of the “marginal” (marginal in the sense of being on the fringe of “common knowledge” ) because he’s done so many puzzles that he considers them crosswordese by now. I’ve done well in excess of 5,000 puzzles over the last few years, but I suspect that I’m still at best an advanced beginner compared to the majority of the group who post here regularly. I guess it’s a fine line for the NYT to negotiate (amp up the difficulty vs. keep it accessible to the newer, younger groups of solvers that they allegedly desire to attract). Anyway, I stuck with it, but it wasn’t much fun.
Hey All !
ReplyDeleteDid get the P correct, but still ended up with an error! Had SWaM/AMaDALA. Dang, didn't look back at the SWIM clue after getting what I thought was the correct spelling of Padme's last name. Wasn't past tense, ala Did some laps.
Interesting idea, seems more WedsPuz worthy. I know there's no such thing as FOUR GONE, however FORGONE seems off as the Revealer. Was looking for answers that contained F-O-R that needed to be taken away, not four of the same letter. As bad as the F usage is, I figured they'd take them away! Har.
Different grid design, wondering if @Lewis would know if this particular grid has been used before. The ole cheater squares in NE/SW corner. I can relate.
Liked overall. Would give it more than one ACCOLADE.
Uniclue:
Vietnam vs the Gaels?
HANOI IONA AT IT
Hope y'all have a great Thursday!
One F
RooMonster
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The revealer specifies “phonetic”, so you have to do a soundalike replacement, and “for > four” was the most likely option.
DeleteIt's a debut Times grid design...
DeleteNice uniclue; fun to see the reverse IONA in HANOI.
DeleteIone/Nets—Doh!
ReplyDeleteI confess! I confess! Please don’t leave me FORGONE! That one really messed with my mind, as well as not being able to envision a CYST as an anatomical sac. Nothing FOReGONE about either of these for me. Loved the doubling up of Star Wars references to make up for yesterday’s oversight. I never really got the theme but had the right idea in wanting BASSlure…
ReplyDeleteAbsolutely NOT easy. Definitely challenging for me - felt like a total slog the whole way. The theme made no sense to me even after completing the puzzle. I had to come here for an explanation. And is there supposed to be some animation? The QC on these technical details is always awful. Hated this puzzle so much. Zero stars.
ReplyDeleteTotally agree. Ridiculously challenging, the worst NYT puzzle in a long time.
DeleteIt was hard so it was bad boo hoo 🙄
DeleteI agree. A slog. No animation as claimed.
DeleteI confess, AVIASOMOA/SAVOR-ist here. I had to run the alphabet to get the P and solve the puzzle.
ReplyDeleteI did know OSSETIA, though. Is that something? Thanks to M. Gessen's excellent book The Future is History, I was familiar with South Ossetia.
OSSETIA came to me because I’ve heard of it in relation to…events over there in recent years. Then I thought, oh yeah, isn’t that a type of caviar too (not that I eat much caviar)? But it turns out that’s OSSETRA.
ReplyDeleteStared at the finished grid for a while but couldn’t grok the theme til I came here. It’s a nice idea but as Rex suggests, not sure the juice is worth the squeeze.
OSSETIA was a gimme (Rex, you should really check out the region: its history is fascinating), but having no idea about HOTH made the northwest much more difficult than the rest of the puzzle.
ReplyDeleteThe Edith Hamilton book cover brought back some wonderful memories. When I was in high school I would often shut myself up in my bedroom, smoke a joint, and retype her retelling of the myths on a manual typewriter, word for word. I think I eventually copied the whole book (except for maybe the Norse section tacked on to the end). Those were the days!!
It’s still early but I’m not seeing any comments about the orca/carat debacle. I went with K instead of C. Easy fix but annoying nonetheless.
ReplyDeleteI got a Saturday's worth of solving out of this one. Not as hard as last Thursday's puzzle but definitely not easy. The NW set the tone for the whole solve. CHIC is an SB classic but I drew a blank. Without the word "ice" in its clue the Star Wars planet was a blank too. I had to start with THANE and then backfill. Ive never seen the term LOOPER. At least it corrected my IGUANDON/ IGUANODON write over. A true case of a self correcting puzzle.
ReplyDeleteHydrox was a mystery for a long time. AllI could think was an animal as it's category. Probably thinking of hyrax..
I finished cleanly only because I looked over the grid and changed IONE to IONA and SAVOR to SAPOR before I entered the A of the A.IDALA / SAMOSA crossing. As always these puzzles are self correcting. I just have to wait for it.
Love Rex, but calling this easy is absolutely absurd. One of the most difficult thur puzzles I can recall.
ReplyDeleteCompletely agree.
DeleteRe ACCOLADE: Please can we not promote the use of "kudos" as an English plural? It's not. It's Greek singular. So "Kudo" is not a thing. I'm sure we can find some other, more correct clue for that.
ReplyDeleteThank you. No one mistakes chaos for the plural of chao, or ethos as the plural or etho, so why is the singular word kudos (meaning praise or glory) so hard to understand? To bestow a kudo would be like dripping glory out one glore at a time.
DeleteIONA was easy, many family members went there. "IONA = Irish On North Avenue". Had Savor. Never got the theme. was not an easy puzzle. did not enjoy this one at all
ReplyDeleteI’ve been playing golf for 65 years and I’ve never heard the term LOOPERS. Not that I know much about caddies.
ReplyDeleteSAVOR/AVIA, SAMOA here too; that was despite looking at the clue for 60A and thinking PISMO Beach (recalling from a Bugs Bunny episode, oddly enough). But way too many letters and all the As made it wrong, except that it was (with "FORGONE") right.
ReplyDeleteI loved EDITH Hamilton's "Mythology", though the dog-eared one from my youth had a different cover picture.
Rex didn't point out that we have a three-day Cat streak (CATIO, CAT in the Gillian Flynn quote, CATNAP). Bravo! Washes away some of the sting from the double (some say triple) Star Wars appearance today.
Side-eye for BRODATE, but at least a reprieve from the DOGE bro who claims without shame that his USAID cuts killed no one.
Stumbled in the far NE until CYST (good word) provided the Y in YOGA; off from there. Didn't find this "wet paper towel easy" and took us a much longer time to get the theme. Quite a feat of construction and creativity.
Decent puzzle, would have been better if the removed letters spelled something together. But I have another question: The NYT app has a note saying “Once this puzzle is complete, an animation will appear that is best viewed in Light Mode.” I completed the puzzle and don’t see any animation. Anyone else get this message? Is it just there in error?
ReplyDeleteI also saw that message, but don't see any animation. In fact I came to this comment section to see if anyone else saw it! It doesn't seem like a puzzle that could use an animation at the end, so maybe that note was just a mistake.
DeleteI must be getting really old because, lately, I am solving puzzles without understanding the theme like today’s.Worse, I don’t understand Rex’s explanation, like today’s. Nevertheless 🎈🎈🎊🎊
ReplyDeleteHow do you not understand?? FORGONE = “four gone” / every answer has one letter that appears FOUR times. Take those four letters out and you get the answer to the clue.
DeleteMy 88 year old brain may not be working too well.
DeleteLOOPERS/IGUANODON v LOAPERS/IGUANADON - had to look that up, was never going to get past that. Oh well.
ReplyDeleteWow, I did not enjoy this at all. Nor did I find it to be easy. Different strokes, I guess.
ReplyDeleteIn the iPad app there was a note that the solved puzzle would display "an animation best viewed in Light Mode" but I never saw any such animation and I switched modes a few times (and also viewed it on the website). Anybody catch an animation?
ReplyDeleteTatami is a mat, making tatami mat redundant.
ReplyDeleteYup, pet peeve. Kind of like saying chai tea.
DeleteTwo of my brother's med school buddies went into practice together: a psychiatrist and a proctologist. They said their practice was for ODDS and ends. (Heads and tails works too.)
ReplyDeleteBorder in the NW: ORCA.
Lomond: LOCH of the Scottish.
Infielders: BASSISTS
The young me, staggering out of a bar onto the street at 2 am, unfit to drive but nevertheless wondering "Where's my CARAT?"
Montgomery is a city AMIDALA BAMA.
I ordered a sandwich at a deli in Benin and the guy behind the counter asked: "Is it for here or TOGO."
🤣 for the first anecdote, 🙄 for the last
DeleteI really didn't expect Rex to rate this one "easy," but I guess I have to recognize that they'll all pretty easy for him. I certainly didn't find it easy to suss the theme; finally saw all those L's accumulating in TELLALLS and saw that removing them would give me TEA.
ReplyDeleteFrom then on it got easier, but so much of the fill was not in my wheelhouse: HOTH, LOOPERS, EDITH [Hamilton], [Padme] AMIDOLA, IONA [Gaels].
It was the NATS/IONA cross that gave me a DNF; I had NETS/IONE. Oh yes, and I also had SAVOR instead of SAPOR, not recognizing that APIA is the capital of Samoa.
I look forward to Thursdays—I usually like the twists and gimmicks—but this one wasn't much fun.
Funny -- I thought women played golf and went on fad diets, as well.
ReplyDeleteThis puzzle was way stereotypically bro coded. More than one Star Wars, multiple sports, including college, even a hunting clue, sons, Beowulf, etc. Of course women can love these things too, but it did not surprise me to learn this was a father/son collab.
DeleteMuch trickier than it should have been.. I'm blaming my dumb brain on day five of anaplasmosis. Yeah, that's the ticket. Worked around, had many parts of the themers, which of course had no relation to their clues, and eventually had most of the revealer and without reading the clue carefully, filled in DOGGONE. Back to the top, where I tried to find some kind of DOG in STUTTGART. Try that sometime. Had wanted PISMO for the beach in CA all along but SAVOR was blocking that. Misread the number on the clue for ERGS and had it in the wrong place. Eventually the good clue for STRIPTEASE kicked in which begat FORGONE, went back to STUTTGART, took out the four T's , and Bob's your uncle, everything fell into place and I closed my eyes and took a nap. Well, not really, but that's how I felt.
ReplyDeleteOSSETIA? AMILDALA? Could have used some long downs that were a little more helpful. Even tried to find a word for "sass" beginning with MOI as I had SWING, but that's on me.
Once the revealer showed I wound up liking this one a lot, BW and NW. But Why did I Not Wonder sooner why DOGGONE was going nowhere? Thanks for some befogged fun at least.
Another SAvORer here - thanks for the preforgiveness, @Rex. Bet there were more than a few of us.
ReplyDeleteHopefully I’m the only one, though, who got a few crosses for the first themer and thought the honeybunch was “SweeTheART.” Got a few more crosses and it had to be STUTTGART, but I couldn’t get sweetheart out of my head. Thought the “phonetic hint” was referring to the themers, so I wrestled with STUTTGART for a bit trying to make it sound like sweetheart. Oof. And that in spite of the fact that a few weeks AGO, we had a “remove the T’s” puzzle and someone, @Lewis I believe, came up with STUTTGART/SUGAR as an extra themer. Even with that hint I didn’t figure out the trick until BASSISTS, so I missed out on most of the fun.
The rest of the puzzle was a mix of “Oohs” and “Ughs,” the latter mostly being the sports trivia and BRODATE, plus all the computer-generated crosswordese that RP pointed out.
On the “Ooh” side we were treated to IGUANODON COVEN CAVIL and a full STRIPTEASE ASWESPEAK. Sass as a clue instead of an entry. And I learned OSSETIA.
Once the SB included dognap. Had me wondering if it was longer or shorter than a CATNAP.
Thanks, Brad and Nat - you deserve an ACCOLADE!
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I, also, couldn't get "sweetheart" out of my head, and, like you, trying to turn STUTTGART into it!
DeleteI thought it was hard. - hard to get some flow going, impossible to see what the theme answers had to do with the clues. I left the FORGONE row empty, to see if I could understand the theme commonality - but I failed to see SUGAR, TEAS, BAIT (mad at myself for that one) and PiSMO. Definitely hiding in plain sight! I wrote SAPOR in, but for Padme, I only know "it's something like 'armadillo."
ReplyDeleteMostly easy for me except for the SW. FORGONE and FINISHED were not obvious, OSSETIA was a major WOE, BASSISTS was a mystery because, like a lot of you, I didn’t figure out the theme until well after I’d finished…so I spent more than a few nanoseconds staring at the SW.
ReplyDeleteEDITH was also a WOE.
Does SALT mean anything theme wise?
Thursday worthy theme with a bit of crunch and not much junk, liked it but I did not get the promised animation on my iPad. I am a tad chuffed. What is light mode?
Not sure chuffed means what you think it does. Chuffed = happy.
DeleteAnonymous 600 is ✅ correct
DeleteActually the biggest snag for me--kinda the elephant in the room--was the cluing for the revealer. I saw "FOREGONE" as a possible answer from the crosses, but clued as "Renounced"...? I think of "foregone conclusion" as the most common usage, and it doesn't mean something is renounced, it means a fait accompli, or something that is too late to change. "Foresworn" and its various forms can mean something like "renounced." I think I've maybe seen "forewent" as something being waived or rejected. Foregone? I dunno. Anyway, kept me from filling it in for a long time.
ReplyDelete"Forgone" has a different meaning from "foregone." "Forgone" is a past participle of "forgo" (do without).
DeleteYeah I think of renounced as having way more emotional oomph behind it than FORGONE. I can’t think of an instance when I’d use them interchangeably.
DeleteAt first, like Rex, I swooshed around but leaving several holes, mostly around the theme answers. Especially in the SE where proper names crossed atop a theme entry. Finally Stuttgart fell revealing the meaning of forgone. More swooshing but still left with Nats v Nets. Fun solve.
ReplyDeleteI got a late start but I thought this was just okay. Grateful that it wasn't a rebus but isn't TATAMI MAT redundant? WOES = AMIDALA? IGUANODO? LOOPERS? OSSETIA? BASSISTS? And I was so stuck for TEA for 25A I totally missed TELL ALLS. Oh well.
ReplyDeleteThree abbreviated sports team names - 2 I didn’t know (IONA 43a , BAMA 49d) and 1 I didn’t know as clued (NATS 39d). Plus the 2 not-entry-level Starwars clue/answers already mentioned. And the clever but tricky long downs. So, despite the abundance of crosswordese this was NOT easy for me. And, hand up for not getting the throne until reading Rex’s explanation.
ReplyDeleteFound it very difficult but not because it was clever. It was just filled with a bunch of names of people, places and things that were not known to me. If you know Princess Leia's mother's last name this is the puzzle for you.
ReplyDeleteEasy?! My 61 down!
ReplyDeleteI found this waaaaaaaaay harder than OFL. I too fell prey to the AVIA/SAVOR error, although of my many blunders it was the first one I caught. I had no idea on LOOPERS or LOCH (in retrospect, I should have remembered LOCH LOMOND...my brain latched on to Le Monde and then all I could think about was French newspapers). I forgot how to spell ODiA (and CiOs must also get golden parachutes now and then), didn't have a clue what the second vowel was in AMIDALA, thought the word iguana would surely appear in IGUANODON (and LOaPERS is at least pronounceable). I lacked the courage of my convictions on both CHIC and ORCA. I had not a prayer on THANE when THiNE was right there, and my eyes glossed right over the fact that this made it IGUiNODON. That ended up being the last mistake I had to chase down to finally get the happy music. I'm so tired!
ReplyDeleteThe theme was fine, and I liked the same fill/clues that Rex mentioned. I started with SAVOR at 52D, looking for an AVIAtion-related word at 60A, but when SAMOA emerged from crosses I knew it had to be APIA.
ReplyDeleteI ended on IONA x NATS where I tried E first. Had I known that the "curly W" is a logo, I would've realized the connection with Washington and thus NATS, not NETS.
I don't think the clue on AGO is how "follower" clues are supposed to work. The stuff in the clue and the "follower" answer should form a standalone phrase, and "a long time AGO" absolutely needs that "a" to make sense.
We got singular KUDO in a clue now?
Yes, savor victim here.
ReplyDeleteUPURIUMOU puztheme. Kinda caught on to it, after TELLALLS & part of STUTTGART. That was slightly helpful, in dealin with the other two foursomes-to-go. But still, kinda tough puz, overall at our house. FORGONE was almost-no-know meat, as the revealer -- but I got it filled in, and then had m&e the suitable complete ahar moment.
ReplyDeleteLotsa other total no-knows made things Thurs-level-feisty for the M&A solvequest: EDITH/AMIDALA/TATAMIMAT. LOOPERS/IGUANODON [altho now Iggy sounds a distance slosh familiar; still, formidable spellin challenge]. OSSETIA. HOTH [binary star warfare, today!]. And the staff weeject pick APU, as clued.
only 7 weejects, btw.
[1] days without a weeject stack.
Lotsa fave stuff, too boot:
ASWESPEAK. ACCOLADE. PALEODIET [quite like M&A's CINNABODIET]. STRIPTEASE & clue. ARTLESSONS [debut entry] clue. KING clue.
Thanx for the fun-4-all challenge, Mr. Wiegmann & Son dudes. And congratz to Nat W. on his half-debut. Elegant 74-worder.
Masked & Anonymo3Us [only 3 U's, so puztheme could not remove em]
p.s.
Runt puzzle:
**gruntz**
M&A
Found this to be properly Thursday difficult. I had no idea what was going on with the theme upon completion, but I wanted to figure it out for myself before I came here, so I forced myself to stick it out. One reason why I'm so late to the party today!
ReplyDeleteI was all over the place trying to suss the theme,- are the letters F, O, and R taken out? Is the Roman numeral 4 taken out - i.e. IV?? It took forever, but I finally got it after staring at BASSISTS for a long, long time. Then the others started to click.
Very neat idea for a theme but it just wasn't my cuppa. *Two* darn Star Wars clues in places that really held me up - that stung a bit. The SE was especially thorny.
I admit here and now and for all to see that I indeed had AVIASAMOA. As @Rex pointed out, SAvOR worked perfectly well and I did not know the word SAPOR (as long as we are coming clean on things today...)
I did like some of the long stuff, ASWESPEAK and IGUANODON were nice. PALEODIET is nice fill as well and I got a kick out of the cluing. Nice cluing on STOMACH too.
On my first pass of crosses I had almost nothing. For whatever reason, things started to click when I finally got KINGS at 55D, which was also nicely clued. I didn't solve easily from there, but solve I did - and that's the way a later week puzzle should work.
Brad and Nat, much respect for your creation today, it really had me working and that's what we all want from a Thursday! Thank you!
Tough one for me. It took me a while to see the theme, but eventually discovering that did confirm some uncertain answers. I don't know APIA, SAMOA or PISMO BEACH, so that corner was tricky with the open question of SAPOR/SAvOR. (I started to doubt TATAMI MAT, too, which felt redundant.)
ReplyDeleteCAVIL was a new one for me, too, although I haven't seen anyone else say that tripped them up.
I didn't figure it was four "like" letters, solved anyway & had to come here to see what the theme was.
ReplyDeleteReactions to this puzzle seem to vary widely -- either you grasped the theme (and think it was obvious), or had to come here to have explained what the puzzle (which you otherwise completed) meant. A bit like the movie Power of the Dog: I found people either knew immediately what happened in the last 10 minutes, or had to look up an explanation online -- and those who got it were incredulous anyone could miss it.
ReplyDeleteI'm firmly in the didn't-have-a-clue category. Tried inserting the word "for" in the clues or answers, and nothing helped. Played around with STUTTGART being a translation of SWEETHEART (hey, I was desperate). Thought TELLALLS made sense as a modern definition of TEA.
I think i read the same James Ellroy book, where he references LOOPING. But I also remember it because high school friends who caddied always used the term
Medium challenging and not particularly enjoyable. Too many star wars references and had no idea about the theme until i came here
ReplyDeleteI believe Hydrox were kosher when Oreos were not. I think Oreos are kosher now.
ReplyDeleteI think Rex should start a counter for “# of days since the last Oreo reference”. Seems like I see it at least twice a week
ReplyDeleteFound it very challenging - But ultimately got it.
ReplyDeleteI’m beginning to think that constructors are including Star Wars material just so it will reset the counter to zero. Two on a Thursday, hmm.
ReplyDeleteI didn’t get the theme before reading Rex. I'd like to think it was because I failed to note the homophone of “for” in the clue for FORGONE. And that if I had written down answers that fit the theme clues, I may have seen BAIT in BASSISTS. Not the SUGAR in STUTTGART though. I was fixated on “sweetheart” there and it was oh, so close.
Brad and Nat, nice job!
Not easy. Natick-ed at LOaPERS/IGUANaDON. Can't be the only one. Almost again at the SAPOR crossing, but managed to figure that out. Challenging Thursday.
ReplyDeleteIt wasn't until a second lookthrough that i finally questioned that 'A' and got the happy screen. I was so convinced the mistake had to be in the SAPOR/APIASOMOA vicinity.
DeleteAnd agreed, most challenging Thursday for me in a long time, even though I saw the theme halfway through.
It was challenging & I didn't get the theme til I ended up here. FWIW, I learned there's a fairly well known beach in California called Samoa Beach.(Yes, I cheated, but it just made me more confused...Serves me right!)
ReplyDeleteI sure did get hit by that SAVOR / AVIA!
ReplyDeleteI didn't know the capital at all and thought the phrase might've been some unfamiliar Latin. Worst of all, when thinking about the Latin angle I *tried* the P, but I'd gotten NeTS for the "curly W" team, so it didn't solve there and I had to come back to it after scouring everything else.
Hard for me ! Did not know OSSETIA or EDITH, never heard of IONA although I’ve been there and Fingal’s cave . Clever reveal that made me understand the answers. Indeed I chose SAPOR over savor because of the revealer. TIL CAVIL. The Star Wars references were obscure and so were the sports clues. But all in all a very nice Thursday puzzle, thank you
ReplyDeleteStar Wars, baseball, golf slang, college football, mythology (EDITH Hamilton), obscure dinosaurs, and “BRODATE.” If ever there was a “boy puzzle,” this was it. And not at all fun.
ReplyDeleteI could have written this comment. I was distracting myself with my eye rolling at this puzzle. Felt like they might as well have put up a chicken scratch “no girls allowed” sign.
DeleteAVIA/SAVOR - yes!
ReplyDeleteChallenging here! Way too many unknown proper nouns and even though I got the reveal early I could not get it to make sense. Really did not enjoy this one.
ReplyDeleteI kept thinking I was missing something and Rex or the commentariat would fill me in. No luck. I'm not seeing any connection between the theme entries other than they each have four identical letters. Seems more like happenstance than having any underlying concept. Ditto with the four letters gone clues. It all had an ad hoc computer program, AI generated feel to it for me.
ReplyDeleteAnd yeah, I did notice that a couple of themers needed some assistance to do their job. TELL ALL is a letter short of its slot and BASSIST only has three Ss. POC to the rescue!
Funny enough, Ossetia was a “gimme” for me. But definitely not an “easy” puzzle, overall.
ReplyDeleteI think people do not know what “AI” means. Constructors have long used software to help them fill grids. But no one has AI write their clues. And however the clues are written, they are edited by human beings. Will is ultimately responsible for the wording/difficulty level.
ReplyDeleteAgree not easy. way too many proper nouns niche slang and even when I got the theme it was meh! Need editing
ReplyDeleteEs una historia larga.
ReplyDeleteI did not think I would beat this one, but I did after almost double my usual time. You'd think I'd have figured it out sooner, but over and over the crosses kept me stymied. OSSETIA and SAPOR were the stars in the "You can't do this" drama, but plenty of other hiccups too like CAVIL and NATS.
I don't have a problem with Star Wars being in our puzzles, and I remember AMIDALA because it's such a beautiful name, but struggled to dredge up HOTH today. I also really struggled trying to make sense of the clue for FORGONE. It seems wrong even now.
Symbol of strength: STEED, STEER, STEEL.
😩 Golden parachute. BRODATE.
People: 4
Places: 6
Products: 6
Partials: 6
Foreignisms: 1
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Gary's Grid Gunk Gauge: 23 of 74 (31%)
Funny Factor: 4 🙂
Tee-Hee: ASS STRIP TEASE.
Uniclues:
1 Butterfly butt in a box.
2 Where Harry Potter found a German girlfriend.
3 Brussels exposé.
4 Dinosaur swapped.
5 Naked man with a Burger King hat on in the center of the atelier.
1 YOGA REAR CRATE
2 STUTTGART COVEN
3 NATO TELL ALLS
4 IGUANODON SWUNG
5 ART LESSONS KING
My Fascinating Crossword Uniclue Keepsake from Last Year: Preacher with an evening job at Starbucks. DAYTIME APOSTLE.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Did not find it easy and only got the theme after I finished the puzzle. I tried to remove the fourth letter from each themer. Then I saw teas in tellalls and that was it. Apia/avia same. Some good fill but found it oddly annoying. You know, if you got the revealer early and understood it, then the puzzle would have been that much easier.
ReplyDeleteGlad Rex thought it was easy but this was hard hard hard for me. Finished in way over my average time (30% over) and still didn’t get the theme. Rex makes me feel like an idiot, but at least many people were like me.
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