Relative difficulty: Medium
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| [46D: This is the way: Abbr. = RTE] ["This is the way..." is a catchphrase / mantra on The Mandalorian] |
Theme answers:
- GA TECH / ANGELIC / ENSURE (out of these three (unclued) "answers," you "make" the following two: GATE CHANGE and LICENSURE) (22A: With 23- and 24-Across, airport announcement / Requirement to practice, perhaps)
- SOLI / STENCHES / STABLES ("SO LISTEN..." and CHESS TABLES) (30A: With 32- and 35-Across, "Now, here's the thing..." / Some board game surfaces)
- MADRE / SPECTATED / INNER (MAD RESPECT and ATE DINNER) (48A: With 50- and 54-Across, serious props / Had an evening meal)
- CHIAS / MUSCLEMEN / TINES (CHIASMUS and CLEMENTINES) (87A: With 88- and 91-Across, syntax-reversing rhetorical device / Small peelable citrus fruits)
- THE REST / "I MEANT IT" / HEFT ("THERE'S TIME" and ANTITHEFT) (105A: With 106- and 108-Across, "No need to hurry" / Like some security measures)
- WASABI / TODDLES / SOFTEN (WAS A BIT ODD (!?!?!?) and LESS OFTEN) (115A: With 118- and 121-Across, didn't quite fit in, say / Not as frequently)
In rhetoric, chiasmus (/kaɪˈæzməs/ ky-AZ-məs) or, less commonly,[citation needed] chiasm (Latin term from Greek χίασμα chiásma, "crossing", from the Greek χιάζω, chiázō, "to shape like the letter Χ"), is a "reversal of grammatical structures in successive phrases or clauses – but no repetition of words".
A similar device, antimetabole, also involves a reversal of grammatical structures in successive phrases or clauses in an A-B-B-A configuration, but unlike chiasmus, presents a repetition of words. // Chiasmus balances words or phrases with similar, though not identical, meanings:
— Shakespeare, Othello 3.3
"Dotes" and "strongly loves" share the same meaning and bracket, as do "doubts" and "suspects".
Additional examples of chiasmus:
— Samuel Johnson, The Vanity of Human Wishes (1749)
— Mary Leapor, "Essay on Woman" (1751)
For comparison, the following is considered antimetabole, in which the reversal in structure involves the same words:
— Lord Byron, Don Juan (1824) (wikipedia)
Between parsing and unparsing and reparsing the answers and the unclued "answers" and then dealing with shorter fill that was not-at-all self-evident to me (HIST? EXPAT?), this one did not go particularly quickly for me. Sloggy. Not fun-tough. Fussy-tough. I think the PAGE RANK / TEASER RATE part was the slowest for me, mostly because neither of those terms is that familiar to me (I had SITE RANK or something like that, and then ... I don't know what kind of RATE I was considering, but it definitely wasn't TEASER. Maybe INTRO or something like that). I had to wait on the Dwarf because SLEEPY and SNEEZY have so many letters in common (102D: One of the Seven Dwarfs). I had no idea what was going on with ANY SIZE for obvious reasons, i.e. that is a terrible non-thing that should not be allowed to pass as a standalone answer (124A: What wristwatch straps are designed to accommodate). Though I enjoyed hardly anything in this puzzle, I weirdly enjoyed MOTT ST (95D: Thoroughfare through N.Y.C.'s Chinatown), largely because it's got this improbable phalanx of consonants at the end (TTST), and because it makes me think of the Rodgers & Hart song "Manhattan," specifically this lovely rendition by Blossom Dearie.
- 28A: America's largest labor union, familiarly (THE NEA) — Pronouncing this as one word now (THEE'-nee-ya) so that I can pretend that stupid definite article isn't there.
- 26A: North African fortress, in one spelling (KASBAH) — lol is there another spelling? I saw "in one spelling" and thought "dear lord how the hell are they going to spell it today? QAZZBA?" But no, just KASBAH, the only way I even remember seeing it spelled. Although now that I'm looking at CASBAH, maybe *that's* the spelling I'm most familiar with. I already had the "K" in place when I looked at the clue, so maybe I'm just hallucinating KASBAH as the most familiar spelling. Anyway, there are at least three more spellings, in addition to the "K" and "C" spellings: QASBAH, QASBA, QASABA
- 41A: Former alliance of France, Italy, Japan, the U.S., the U.K. and West Germany (G-SIX) — there are so many "G" alliances that I'm not sure how anyone could keep them straight. I guess this clue gives you the opportunity to count, so, yes ... there are six countries you've got there. But you don't really need to count once you have the "G"—no other number is going to work but SIX. I mean, G-ONE would be pretty lonely, and G-TWO ... could be as bad as one, it's the loneliest G-group since the group G-ONE. Oh crud, I forgot about the G-TEN, that would've fit too. Never mind.
- 75A: Manufacturer's gross product? (SMOG) — that's a pretty clever clue for SMOG. But then SMOG crosses OPE 🙁 and all pleasure from the SMOG clue goes poof, just like that.
- 85A: Feature of an intersection that forces a turn (T-SHAPE) — had the "T" and thought "oh, what are those called ... T-STOPS? Three-way stops?" I would never in a million years have thought the answer would be something as dumb as T-SHAPE. It's just a "T." I guess you can't argue with the fact that a "T" is T-SHAPEd, but yeesh, that answer, not pretty. And crossing OPE! Rough patch there.
- 94A: Resident of the so-called "Nation of Poets" (SOMALI) — I have never heard Somalia so-called that. This was basically "Random resident of a country, good luck."
- 69D: Underworld boss? (HADES) — if you wrote in SATAN here, I understand, you are forgiven.
- 6D: Type of Thai red curry (PANANG) — good answer. Delicious answer. CURRY killed me on Quordle the other day because I had CUR-Y and had eliminated what I thought were all plausible letters that could go in that slot. And so I wrote in CURVY. D'oh! Forgot about the letters I already had in the word (namely, "R")! Rrrrrookie mistake.
- 36A: Musician who said "Reality leaves a lot to the imagination" (LENNON) — I wonder if "imagination" is supposed to be a subtle hint, since LENNON famously sang "Imagine." I think "Imagine" is kind of an insipid song, so here's something else.
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Never heard of CHIASMUS, had to look it up, and yesterday had my lifetime fill of the word. I found this this puzzle arduous and unpleasant, too.
ReplyDeleteI wrote in CHIASMUS from the mashup clue.
DeleteMy wife, incredulously: "What's that?"
Me: "I think my Latin teacher taught us that; even though it's from Greek"
Wife: (eye roll)
“Split Second” comes from having to split the second word in the trio.
ReplyDeleteThank you! I thought the themers were pretty neat. We actually had a kinda tough Sunday and I enjoyed it
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ReplyDeleteEasy-Medium. Medium until I got the gimmick, then easy. Basically what @Rex said.
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Overwrites:
At 15D I thought the Wildcats might be Washington State (wSU). Nope. They're the Cougars. Kansas State (KSU) are Wildcats.
Didn't watch Schitt's Creek. Thought the eldest Levy might be ElaiNE instead of EUGENE (37D).
Before reading the clue, ACCEde before ACCEPT for the confirmation at 70D.
lgS before GES for the 78D microwaves.
My 79A worries were fretS before they were CARES.
PAGE link before RANK for the search algorithm at 96A.
Misread the 11D clue as "Learning type," so I had rote before ITAL.
I thought the epa might ban dyes at 122D, but no. It was the FDC.
WOEs:
Green Day's TRE cool at 17d.
CHIASMUS (part of the theme at 87A)
Medium-challenging for me, probably took me about 45 minutes altogether. But I loved the combination of the title, the themers, and the revealers. And some of the words (either the mashed up clued ones, or the unclued ones) were just really fun. I felt like the primo themers were at the end of the puzzle. GATECH is a bit rough... but MUSCLEMEN is lotsa fun. IMEANTIT and HEFT becoming ANTITHEFT. WASABI, TODDLES, and SOFTEN becomes WAS A BIT ODD and LESSOFTEN. Awesome! I had ARTMEET before ART TEST and so my TEASERRATE was a MEASERRATE for a long time and, while I knew that was wrong, I just couldn't quite figure out how to fix it.... finally saw my problem. Anyhoo, liked it a bunch more than OFL, at least ***.5 from me. And still no star wars, right???? and no GOT either. Nice work, Adam and Simeon, and thank you!!!! : )
ReplyDeleteI got started up in the north, was having as much fun as a recent root canal, read Rex to confirm my suspicions, and threw in the towel. Convoluted themes are not for me, and this one took it to a new level.
ReplyDeleteA bit of a bizarre run with the NYT lately. I wish I could say it’s been hit and miss, but it’s really been more miss than hit though. It’s too bad, as it seems as though we had some momentum going over the past couple of weeks. Hopefully this is a bit of an anomaly, sort of like a ball player working their way through a batting slump.
@southside Johnny 6:53 I threw in the towel too. I'm done with the top half. It's not fun. I got a bunch of themers and came to read here for the gimmick. Or to see if the 3 words were related in any way and I just didn't get it. So 3 random words?
DeleteI usually don't cheat or quit but I'm not having fun after like an hour now .
Rex is correct in that "you can't argue with the fact that a "T" is T-SHAPEd," but you can argue that it "that forces a turn." If you approach the intersection from the top of the T you may proceed straight ahead.
ReplyDeleteThen it's not (from the driver's perspective) a T. It's just a road. Don't be obtuse.
DeleteA T on its side isn’t T-shaped? What are you on about?
DeleteOh boy! If there's a proscription against obtuseness, I've been oblivious to it. It's obscene, if not obnoxious, how obsessively I've been violating it. Obviously, I'm obligated to try to obtain an exemption. Until then, I'll try to observe it, seek out the obverse, and not be obdurate.
DeleteOh boy!!!
DeleteOh, well, I love these two constructors, who excel at entertaining with humor, artistry, skill, and often deviousness.
ReplyDeleteSo, I was not surprised at my marvelous “Hah!” when I saw the theme’s gimmick; nor was I surprised at the fun type of thinking needed to crack the remaining theme answers.
But the pièce de résistance came upon reading the constructors’ notes. Adam and Simeon were not daunted when the computer spit out 40,000 theme answer possibilities. Many, I’m guessing, would have tossed the idea entirely at that juncture, or just randomly picked answers that worked.
But no, they narrowed the list to the cream, then narrowed it further to the cream of the cream.
That’s a ton of work in the pursuit of excellence. And a ton more devoted to high-quality cluing and grid design.
Again, I’m not surprised by it, knowing your work, Adam and Simeon. Thank you for what you do for Crosslandia, and for a most splendid outing today!
Sorry for this question if it is naive. Newbie crossword puzzle solver here.
DeleteDo all crossword creators use AI and computer programs to come up with themes/answers? Was this always the case? Again not knowing anything about how a puzzle is created, this seems kind of weak to me and I had assumed the creators thought up their puzzles by themselves. I know that yesterday’s puzzle used AI to figure out a grid shape and that seems more palatable to me but using AI to come up with actual answers seems wrong. But I’m sure I’m wrong on this! So please educate me!
@Anonymous 8:03
DeleteMost constructors--with very few exceptions, I'd wager (I think Anna Shechtman still does a lot of unassisted constructing)--use computers and likely AI for construction. Before these innovations, it was (obviously) done without this sort of assistance, but dictionaries and other references were used instead. If constructors aren't using AI, they are certainly using computers, databases, and the like the craft their puzzles.
Dang, if GATECH, CHIAS, SPECTATED, and TODDLES represent the cream of the cream I’d hate to see the dregs.
DeleteToday was the first time I noticed that CASABLANCA and CADDYSHACK have the exact same number of letters...
ReplyDeleteDefinitely got a chuckle. "Said to be", as some say.
DeleteI came here to say the exact same thing
DeleteBig same. Caddyshack was one of the answers I really liked on this puzzle, except it was dead wrong of course.
DeleteI wish we had a “Like” button!
Delete"Oft-quoted classic film" would have sufficed as a clue.
DeleteConstructors often add lots more words than necessary. Sometimes less is more; other times more is less. (CHIASMUS or antimetabole?)
No. Oft quoted and most quoted are world’s apart.
DeleteFolks— do a googke search. Casabkanca has half a dozen lines that have entered the language.
I liked this puzzle better than Rex and others, and thought the theme was OK. It must've been very challenging to come up with 3 words/phrases that could be "split" as they did. I had no issue with TEASERRATE, but only my brother (who is a tech-kind-of-guy) knew PAGERANK, which I had never even heard of. Agree on the less-than-desirable ARTTEST, TSHAPE (I know T junctions...).
ReplyDeleteOops! - Just realized I Naticked on ANYSIZE (I had ARMSIZE, and wondered what are INORE and DME??).
I was initially reluctant to write in PANANG, since I thought this was in Malaysia (not Thailand). Penang is in Malaysia, yes... And the etymology of the name for the Thai curry may in fact be from Malay: "The word phanaeng (พะแนง) is believed from the Thai adaptation of the Malay word panggang, meaning “grilled.” " (Wikipedia)
"It must've been very challenging to come up with 3 words/phrases that could be "split"" computers & AI make it non challenging
DeleteI teach Latin (and sometimes Greek), so I appreciated what you shared about chiasmus and antimetabole. I have never heard chiasm or read anyone use that, or antimetabole , but maybe I just don't read enough. Be that as it may, I thought it was RIDICULOUS for chiasmus to appear in the NY Times Crossword. My students know what chiasmus is, and It's a lot easier to spot in Latin and is useful to know about as an aid in translating. To my mind, 'Fair is foul and foul is fair' is a much easier Shakespearean example to remember. As soon as I mentioned the quote from Macbeth, one of my students immediately thought of a chiasmus in Taylor Swift.
ReplyDelete"one of my students immediately thought of a chiasmus in Taylor Swift" <-- well, what is it? Inquiring minds would like to know.
DeleteThat's Shakespeare? I always thought Earl Weaver said it, complaining about an ump.
DeleteCrossing an unfamiliar term like RAGAS with the unclued GATECH was a choice. I put the tech school in Louisiana rather than Georgia, and would argue that lATECHANGE is at least defensible as an airport announcement, and RAlAS looked as right as RAGAS to me. Not exactly Natick, but pretty close.
ReplyDeleteI liked the theme better than Rex, but mostly because of the AHA moment when I figured it out after being lost at sea for most of the solve.
I'm curious how you know of Naticks but not RAGAS. Fairly standard crosswordese.
DeleteYeah, RAGA/RAGAS shows up 87 times in the Shortz era. So, besides being one of the more popular/known types of global music (more well known than say rebetika or high-life? The equally usable FADO/FADOS has shown up 6 times) it is also a frequent crossword answer.
DeleteDid not like this as much as Rex did. It's rare, but occasionally a single word in a puzzle can ruin it, but today's as multiple candidates: LICENSURE, WAS A BIT ODD, ANY SIZE, ATE DINNER.
ReplyDeleteNormally, even if I did not like a puzzle, reading @Lewis's comments will give me an appreciation for qualities I may have missed. Today, reading Lewis made me dislike the puzzle even more. You had 40,000 possibilities and this is the best you could come up with? I can't imagine what some of the rejects were like.
I hadn't read Lewis's comment before I read yours. So that must be it: the powerful siren song of AI seduces again.
DeleteIt's not a good direction we're headed in. It's really not.
tht. I'm not sure if I like the constructors using AI. But I do think that if they're going to avail themselves of this easy tech the editors have to double down. No more three hour lunches, guys.
DeleteRex was too kind - STENCHES is apt fill for this highly unenjoyable Sunday morning solve.
ReplyDeleteTEASER and the Firecat
Know longer worried, noing your router is OK.
ReplyDeleteThe theme here is perfectly clear: You see 2 longer answers across 3 shorter ones. OK, perhaps "3 out of 2" might be slightly more accurate. As in "You, the solver, must make 3 short answers out of 2 clues I'll give you for longer answers"?
Enjoyed it. 3.5 stars, so there.
I NO want you did !!!
DeleteFirst time in forever I checked on Rex after about 10 minutes. No fun at all, just a slog.
ReplyDeleteIt’s a bad sign when after about ten minutes I’m annoyed & just want to look things up. All that plodding & head-scratching for a painfully dull conceit.
ReplyDelete'Conceit' - perfect!
DeleteA slog, I hated many things, especially Gatech. Never have I ever seen Tech abbreviated that way. I love the name of the football rivalry between Tech & Georgia, "clean, old-fashioned hate"
DeleteThis may have inspired me to finally cancel my subscription. The puzzles get worse and worse almost each and every day. Why do I pay for this BS? Not no more.
ReplyDelete💯
Delete@Anonymous 7:49 AM
DeleteSee you next week. Nobody ever really quits.
Ingenious construction does not equal fun to solve. Couldn’t wait to be done with this baby.
ReplyDeleteWow. Worst / least enjoyable Sunday puzzle in a long, long time.
ReplyDeleteHere is a QUORDLE TIP. I almost never lose if I start with these three words: POINT, LUCKY, DREAM.
ReplyDeleteIt worked wonders for me on today's Quordle Extreme. I know that MAGIC SWORD HEFTY PLUNK is a very effective list of guesses, but it could be risky on Extreme mode.
DeleteWhere’s your S, man? These days I start with SLATE and CHOIR. When I need a third word I tend to alternate between BUMPY, DUMPY, PUNKY, BUNGY.
DeleteThey seem to avoid S more than other letters. It’s easy to insert in later guesses.
DeleteIncredibly arduous to solve.
ReplyDeleteHey All !
ReplyDeleteTime running up on the solve, stuck in sections with no hope of getting answers, so cheating commenced! Came here to look at Rex's grid for the PHOEBE/PANANG/HIGHCS unknown trifecta. Also a few spots in SE/SCenter. Oh well
Interesting idea, kind of odd in execution. Liked that all the have-to-combine-thingies are real words.
Not my cuppa this morning. Sorry gents, I'm sure this was fun to make.
Hope y'all have a great Sunday!
Five F's
RooMonster
DarrinV
Slogged all the way through this one, and not sure why I bothered. I knew CHIASMUS but took forever to parse [ball pit]. Not knowing many college sports teams kept KSU hidden (so many possible state universities). That made SOCKET the finish line for me, and even then, I had to sit with it for a minute before it dawned on me: Hip joint. Shoulder joint. Trailer hitch. So many ball-and-socket combos.
ReplyDeleteFor a moment I thought the musician being quoted was Annie LENNOx.
Really wanted "ball pit" to be jOCKEy, but no!
Delete!!! Why didn’t I think of that?
DeleteThis took me about twice as long as a normal Sunday. I could keep it short and refer you to Rex, what he said, everything he said. Anyway, it took me quite a while to get into, i.e., to see what was going on, and although it eased up a fair amount once I got past that point, it felt tortured and awkward nonetheless. And it felt like a slog, landing at the starting point of one horizontal entry after another, only to hear a voice say, "if I told you once, I told you a thousand times: you need to go back to the clue which you will find for the entry which starts the triplet of the line you are currently in -- understand?"
ReplyDeleteTo try to be charitable: the theme idea looks like a promising one, but it's probably also pretty ambitious. I've seen Adam Wagner's name before and I think also Simeon Seigel's name, so these are not rookie constructors. So my guess is that s-t-r-e-t-c-h-i-n-g it out to span all the way across, SIX times, is harder to pull off well than you might think. The bed of Procrustes metaphor leaps to mind. But it still seems like an idea worth trying.
My inner snark is humming, "I don't want you, I don't need you, and there ain't no way I'm ever gonna love you." It feels a little mean, but now that you put that Meat Loaf ear worm in my head (TWO OUT OF THREE ain't bad), something else inside took over and I disclaim any further responsibility.
Let me find something else to do now.
MOTTST in July is associated with STENCHES in my book and a reason to get out of Manhattan for the summer.
ReplyDeleteI'm glad at least one person shares my take on IMAGINE. It is an anthem popular for reasons other than its merit as a piece of music.
I got stuck solving it while falling asleep, then my brain worked in the morning. Didn't mind the puzzle, admired the themers, which reminded me of long versions of what @egs does here regularly. Computer generation takes a little bloom off the rose...
First I had SNEEZY, and realized later it should be SLEEPY, and somehow ended up with SLEEZY, who absolutely should be the eight dwarf. I didn’t like this puzzle either- it was kind of a slog.
ReplyDeletelol
DeleteI'm with @Rick Sacra 6:38 in really enjoying the puzzle. It took me a bit to understand that in the theme phrases we were dealing with three independent unclued words, because I didn't understand GATECH as a real word - I know about Georgia Tech, of course, but can't remember ever seeing it as GA TECH. Anyway, the next couple of theme rows sorted the pattern out. After the reveal, I got on kind of a roll, in being able to come up with the three words with many fewer crosses. Solver's high! I loved the CHIASMUSCLEMEN... transformation!
ReplyDelete@Rex, thank you for the examples of chiasmus and antimetabole. Mary Leapor - talk about pithy!
The perfume company went out of business even though it was quite profitable: it makes no SCENTS!
ReplyDeleteThere are more proctologists in NYC than in any other metropolitan area. It leads the country in ASSISTs.
MORAYS: Grade inflation
After seeing a dreadful movie by the filmmaker LEE, the critic had no choice but to PANANG.
Other than shoving them up my tuchas, Mr. Smartypants, what should I do with these heavy suitcases? TOTEM
To stop sobbing? DECRY
I'm sorry so many of you hated this puzzle. May your Wagner puzzle that appears next be more fun. (Robert F. Wagner, Jr., NYC mayor from 1954 to 1965.)
My evening prayers last night ended with "And please let @Rex get his new router and please, please, please let him follow the instructions correctly." And behold!
ReplyDeleteI saw my SONATA GATECH game when he was supposed to be watching the Ducks in EUGENE.. That SONOFA...
I lost ABET on the ATBATS STATS of ELSTON Howard yesterday. I lost even bigger (bigly, you might say) when I claimed he had one of the best ERAS in NYY history.
That services website founder likes curry so much that they call her PANANG ANGI.
In polite company I'll say "breast" or "bosom" but IMEANTIT.
Oh MANIFESTOS means "these" in Spanish, I've been using it wrong.
I'm always supportive of a theme that's different, even if it doesn't work out to be a fantastic solving experience. This is how I felt today. I do appreciate it, Adam Wagner and Simeon Seigel. Thanks.
I'd rate it higher than 1-1/2 stars, but I agree it wasn't an easy theme to deal with. Didn't know CHIASMUS (got it from the crosses) or LICENSURE (I stuck with "licensing" until the bitter end).
ReplyDeleteThanks to the constructors for using CASABLANCA..."of all the crossword puzzles, in all the newspapers, in all the world, it came into mine."
I’m with @tht on this one! Took me forever to get answers that did not click with either my brain or my ear. Nevertheless, quite a work of construction. And it seems we all learned CHIAS, so there’s that. Uh oh, have already forgotten what it means…Hand up for admiring Rex’s deftness in installing a new router. Surprisingly I had the same luck when I installed my latest router, but really I have no clue why it worked…
ReplyDeleteUtterly joyless. Like Rex, I just wanted this one to be over. No idea why anyone would want to publish something like this.
ReplyDeleteI definitely thought Hades was another word for hell. Didn't realize it was a god
ReplyDeleteYou weren't wrong. It's both.
DeleteHades was the name of the god of the underworld, as well as his realm.
DeleteI would have liked this puzzle a lot more if I had been able to finish it. Got all the way through in a slog (not that I'm complaining about that - much prefer a slog to a cakewalk) only to be stuck in the NE corner.
ReplyDeleteI was thinking that the Wildcats were aSU (Arizona Wildcats sounds right, doesn't it?), and then kept toggling between aH NEAT and OH NEAT, and dRE and TRE, and just figured EER (didn't know) but just could not come up with a combination that spelled a real word until SaCLET, as in a small sack? That maybe carries a ball-like pit? Which would mean it was aH NEAT and LSU which seemed potentially plausible but...nothing. Everything else in the puzzle felt right (except GA TECH - which sucks - but could not see that it could be anything else). So I had to give up, which always kills me, especially on a Sunday.
I know some people hate having to suffer through trying to figure out gimmicks like this, but I kind of love it. Big satisfaction when they all make sense after having no idea what's going on - only to be shot down by K-friggin' SU after all that work. Oh well.
Arizona Wildcats, yes, but they are from the University of Arizona (Tucson), not Arizona State University (Tempe).
DeleteHate is a strong word that, in my opinion, is overused. I hated this puzzle.
ReplyDeleteapt.
DeleteAnd I will looking forward to doing the puzzle. Oh well. I don't think I will bother. It's a beautiful day in NYC & why spoil the day? The NYT has been letting me down lately with its puzzles anyway :(
ReplyDeleteUGH. I gave up at about 3/4 done. Not much fun at all.
ReplyDeleteRex, my router died about 6 months ago. Apparently, you need to keep checking the manufacturer's website for updates. When I tried to troubleshoot the problem, I was led to the instruction, "Update your router," which of course I could not do as I had no internet.
When I got the new one, the tech told me that routers are made to die after about 3 years. This time, I went with the ISP's router. Yes, I pay a monthly charge, but I won't have to buy a new router every 3 years.
Good review, Rex. Glad the internet is back up for you! Rock and roll...play ball.
ReplyDeleteI literally live across the street from Georgia Tech's Scheller College of Business. I still did not enjoy this puzzle.
ReplyDeleteI suspected ARTTEST when I got the first cross but thought, “nah that’s not a thing”. Portfolio review? Yes. Art test? No. It was the last word I completed and I was/am salty about it.
ReplyDeleteMOTTST struck me as a bit unfair for people not familiar with Manhattan. Shortz wants to avoid alienating older solvers. What about alienating solvers outside the tri-state region? (This opinion coming from someone who lived in Brooklyn for 10 years.)
Boo. A disappointing weekend of puzzles.
Anon 10:24. Right with you on ART TEST. I have been a practising artist for over 50 years and have a couple of university degrees in the subject. I have never been asked to take an ART TEST. As you note, a portfolio review is a thing. So is a formal interview with one or more faculty members. I left this answer open for a long, long time, saying to myself, "No, it can't be". But it was. Didn't put me in a good mood.
DeleteAfter last week’s William Tell piffle I give this one credit for at least occupying some time.
ReplyDeleteI thought this was an old-school, classic, Maleskan NY Times Sunday puzzle and it grieved me to see that Rex didn't like it.
ReplyDeleteLiked it.
ReplyDeleteWhat an unrewarding slog. Just because constructors can create a theme, supposedly enhanced by AI, doesn't mean solvers should be subjected to it.
ReplyDeleteTwo stinkeroos in a row.Please give me a decent puzzle tomorrow. No 🎈for me.
ReplyDeleteEveryone calls Casablanca the most quoted movie ever.
ReplyDeleteNot as awful as the Saturday puzzle, but close. The least enjoyable solving weekend I can recall in decades of doing the puzzle.
ReplyDeleteHope it's not an omen....
can anyone explain the clue for 12across? Clue is ball pit? and the answer is socket. . .
ReplyDeleteYour (eye)SOCKET is a sort of "pit" that holds your (eye)ball. I wanted GUTTER at first.
DeleteI took it to refer to a ball--and-socket joint think of your shoulder joint. Not saying I'm right, but that was my interpretation.
DeleteI didn't think it was confusing or awkward; I thought it was a pretty typical Sunday offering. I did wish for a more challenging clue for TESS; how about "Actress who played against Robert Duvall in 'Tender Mercies'"? (Tess Harper)
ReplyDeleteThe CHIASMUS / MURK / PAGE RANK section did hang me up; I had MIRE and PAGE RATE. Oh well.
I truly hate when there are unclued answers that are just random words or phrases with no relation to each other. I mind it less when they're all actual COMMON WORDS, but this hunk o' junk also had answers like GA TECH and THE REST and SOLI and CHIAS.
ReplyDeleteWith that said, this was firmly in "easy-medium" territory for me, and I didn't have any particular trouble spots.
Go Jackets!
ReplyDeleteTHWG, Mr. Burdell.
DeleteGeorgia Tech has the number one player in the country. Their catcher, Vahn Lackey.
ReplyDeleteThis one took a while for me too. @Rex, “Sloggy. Not fun-tough. Fussy-tough” pretty much covers my experience. Enough said!
ReplyDeletejae. Agreed, and now I don't have to waste any time writing a full commnt.
DeleteThe. Worst. Sunday. NYTXW. Ever. EVER!!!!
ReplyDeleteI thought this was one of the better Sunday puzzles in a while. Clever gimmick and a good challenge level.
ReplyDeleteWhat a slog! I almost completely filled this grid with no idea where the theme was going. Basically it was a themeless puzzle with 18 unclued entries and hideous fill like ARTTEST, TSHAPE, EER, OPE.... just too many to list. I kept reminding myself that the chops I'm exercising to wade through this dreck are the same ones that let me fill delightful themeless blocks like yesterday's NW. About all I had left to fill was 70D and ACCESS was blocking out the correct ACCEPT and I was stalling once again. I'd had enough of this theme mystery so I finally started making an effort to "get" it. That's when I spotted CLEMENTINES. No big deal but then I saw CHIASMUS. It was like one of those moments when a storm is clearing and the sun starts coming through in rays. It was the silver lining to the dark cloud. I thought how terrific an 8 letter bingo that would be in Scrabble. It doesn't really make up for the suffering this puzzle caused but it was a sop and I got a clean finish. Another Sunday survived without a DNF.
ReplyDeleteHa! I came here to say "What a slog!"
DeleteNot a bit of fun.
I only knew Page Rank from the acquired podcast and that it was named after Larry Page
ReplyDeleteI haven't disliked a puzzle more than this one. No fun.
ReplyDeleteThere actually is a clue here that might count as a star wars clue, sort of. "This is the way" leads to RTE without needing to know any Star Wars lore. But I bet using it as a clue was intended as a little bit of Star-Wars-universe-based misdirection, because "this is the way" is a (the? maybe) catchphrase from the Mandalorian. Sort of the way "may the force be with you" was said by Jedis, "this is the way" is something that Mandalorians say. It's become a bit of a meme. I didn't know where it came from until it was a clue/response on Jeopardy just a few days ago.
ReplyDeleteClever concept for a puztheme, but not near enough humor for a looong SunPuz-sized solvequest. Mighta made a cool WedPuz, or somesuch.
ReplyDeleteCaught on to the theme mcguffin plenty early on, altho LICENSURE kept m&e from confirmin my theory for a bit. Was a bit odd, so to speak. [CHIASMUS got even odder.]
staff weeject pick: NTH. Celebratin its nth appearance in the crosswords, today.
fave thing: CASABLANCA. Agree with other commenters that CADDYSHACK [an M&A fave flick] also had many great quotes. Someone step on a duck?
Thanx for gangin up on us, Mr. Wagner & Seigel dudes. It takes two to toddle, I reckon. And it took two at our house, to figure it all out.
Masked & Anonym007Us
p.s
Runt puzzle:
**gruntz**
M&A
The comments are unanimous. And yet they don’t go far enough. The implicit contract between constructor and solver was not honored. Drudgery with no reward. Terrible, terrible puzzle.
ReplyDeleteAs for chiasmus, there is a striking one in the Battle Hymn of the Republic:
ReplyDeleteBe swift my soul to answer Him
Be jubilant my feet
Probably the worst Saturday / Sunday puzzles ever. This is a shame because the theme trick is kinda interesting, but definitely ruined by the tedious and frustrating across clues... "See 105 across", over and over. I have no idea how else to clue them, though.
ReplyDeletePlus I finished with errors that I couldn't be bothered to track down. in that far upper right, 3 downs that were completely ungettable: KSU, EER, TRE. Two Unknown names! I had SOCCER for 12 across, and LIC / ENSING for 24 across.
Lots of typeovers, eg SLEEPY before SNEEZY, and DARK before MURK at 81 down. And speaking of Unknown Names, DSW is big inits in footwear? Never heard of it.
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Deleteokanaganer. DSW is a thing. I first encountered them on a holiday trip with friends to San Francisco about 20 years ago. It didn't exist in Canada at that time but my wife's friend Judy insisted that we make a visit. She had heard of it and she was mad to buy shoes. I left the shop with an interesting pair of casual lace-ups and she needed a cart and staff help to get her stuff to the car. At that point in my life, I was a city dweller with a passion for stylish footwear. I once counted 25 pairs in my closet, and that wasn't counting sneakers. Now I live on a small farm where I wear pull-on work boots (Blundstones) most of the year and rubbers when it's really ugly out there.
DeleteI just looked them up and they have apparently migratred to Canada and there is a DSW shop just a few miles from me. Oh, the tmptation!
In my mid-20s I had a job as a receptionist and someone called once saying he was from the AFL-CIO. I asked him to repeat it and he shouted "AFL-CIO"", IT'S THE LARGEST UNION IN THE COUNTRY!" or some such. Hence that stayed in way too long.
ReplyDeleteWas almost done when the north east nearly did me in with SOC---. Finally got it but still couldn't understand how a ball pit was a SOCKET until I was drifting off to sleep and my brain screamed "Eyeball!" at me.
Gotta say, unless the caller had a bad connection or speech impediment, AFL-CIO is hard to miss.
DeleteMay I ask, what or who wete the receptionist for?
Started this one, sort of saw what was going on, emphasis on sort of, had to leave to go sing in the church choir, and was not looking forward to continuing, but "finish what you started" kicked in. Re-start. Eventually got the first themer all filled in and it still looked wrong . LICENSURE? No joy,, no aha.
ReplyDeleteFinally had everything filled in but the GSIX /PANANG cross, which when I saw it made sense. Running the alphabet with your pencil is not particularly helpful though, so a technical DNF. Oh darn it all.
This is one of the few puzzles that made me violate my Code of the Otter, which states "If an otter cannot have fun doing something he simply will not do it". I finished because that's what I do but the fun factor was minimal at best.
Also, I know there are many universities with a wildcat mascot, but my favorite is still UNH.
Kind of an interesting trick, AW and SS. I'll Always Want a Super Sunday, but sadly this wasn't it.
No one from Idaho ever referred to their spuds as "Idahos," btw, and I'm a native of that state. Would you call potatoes grown in Wisconsin "Wisconsins"? Not if you had any sense!
ReplyDeleteI call them russetts, but I'm not American and I have actually heard some of my American cousins say "Idahos". They're from Washington, Oregon, and California. Please forgive them.
DeleteThose of us on the east coast buy "Idaho Potatoes" at the grocery store, so advertised as a premium brand.
ReplyDeleteI had a very slow start and grumbled at the many "bro" clues. As I worked from bottom to top, I appreciated the construction and theme. Lots of "ahas," which I love.
ReplyDeleteFor the first time in a while, I went over my average (109 percent), so definitely on the slow side for me today.
ReplyDeleteI didn't dislike the theme as much as others, I guess. I certainly liked the *idea* of it. Maybe the cluing was a bit uneven in spots, but nothing that particularly irked me. It took me a couple of minutes to figure out what was going on, and I like that.
I don't think of SONATA particularly as a long instrumental piece, so that snagged me for a bit. I knew PAGE RANK off the top, but it's in my field. Is an ART TEST a thing? I have heard of CHIASMUS, but I couldn't have told you what it was. I had the idea of SOMALI, but I also couldn't have told you why I had that idea. I had trouble with TEASER RATE since I was thinking of lesser *included* charges (which was probably the intent of that clue).
I don't know that USA is the host as much as L.A. is, no? And IN ONE I think of mostly as a "Got it IN ONE" sort of thing, not "combined." But ok.
Errors: PATE for TETE; with a circumflex, it is a French word, and it is kind of a top-py sort of thing, but it is not a French word for a top-py sort of thing. (Brooklyn)ITE for ESE. CELS for GIFS. SLEEPY for SNEEZY. EPA for FDA, weirdly. That's a lot of errors, on top of which I also wanted ACTS for ADDS and ASST for ABET, but I never actually put them in.
Hand up for liking it more than OFL. In fact I liked it more than most Sundays. The fact that it was a slog was expected because most Sundays are slogfests with too many short answers. What made the difference today was that the theme was interesting and impressive and actually helpful at times.
ReplyDeleteI did misinterpret the gimmick at first. I tried to make the 3-part entries ALL be one phrase. Passed on the first set, then for “Now here’s the thing…” I put in SOLISTENClose--- and couldn’t figure out the rest. Also couldn’t get crosses to work. Kept going and the revealer did its job. Went back and CLEANED up my messes.
Take The A Train
It took an accidental cheat to fix the LICENSURE/KSU/SOCKET corner. I had LICENSces and decided to check my spelling at etymonline.com. LICENSURE came up and I immediately knew that was correct. Stared for a while and finally saw the tricky clue for SOCKET.
Interesting that AI gave so many possibilities. I almost used one of the alternatives: THERESTIME/ANTITrusT.
The Casbah of Tetouan
Nice job, constructors, and thanks for the workout.
Mimi L
painful cluing sunk this one theme idea is really good the execution though cringeworthy - 'page rank' and so many other reveals such a drag cest la vie happy Sunday
ReplyDeletethis puzzle defines what catch-22 means the theme idea is wonderful but the clues don't match up in quality of the puzzle's reveal. this is a love/hate puzzle all at once if only the answers overall had been more fun there's so many cringeworthy answers 'page rank' is the tip of the iceberg. still enjoyed the solve catch-22 is a great book!
ReplyDeleteYou're right, Catch-22 is a great book, notable for its consistent use of punctuation and appropriate capitalization. Points for the hyphen, though.
DeleteI'm with the small minority who enjoyed this! Technical DNF because I plopped it cASBAH and never thought of the K; kept wondering what kind of DECc meant deal with it, and never figured that out till a minute ago.
ReplyDeletehope this get's posted - the Atlantic Sunday puzzle today is glorious right up our alley long time xworders don't miss
ReplyDeleteWhy wouldn’t it get posted?
DeleteWe had PA and incorrectly entered PAneer; never heard of PANANG (even though we live walking distance to a Thai restaurant).
ReplyDeleteBut Paneer made 26A KASBeH. At first, we let that stand because of "in one spelling" in its clue, which I define as the constructors saying "we couldn't make this work with a word spelled correctly, so we're going to spell it how it works in our puzzle". Kind of a constructor's CHIASMUS right there!
When an answer is clued as a "variant" or "in one spelling" (whose, by the way?...any of the folks who quote CASABLANCA?), it adds a Wild West aspect to the solve. To me it's a VOC (Variant of Convenience) similar to an extra S in a POC (Plural of Convenience). Thankfully far fewer VOCs than POCs.
Sloggingly arduous.
ReplyDeleteI was struggling with this and not having a lot of fun, but I had a very nice "A
ReplyDeleteaha! moment" when I saw how the theme worked. Clever gimmick! Not my favorite puzzle ever but I certainly didn't hate it.
Oh wow. What a week. For no apparent reason, my body refused to use, store, or apparently recognize sodium and a couple other electrolytes, and I spent from Tuesday evening until noon today in the hospital. This getting older stuff is not for lightweights! I’m fine but behind in checking in here. My kids helped me make sure the puzzles got done, but that’s about all the activity I could stand.
ReplyDeleteI didn’t really miss much. Tuesday was a speed solve; truly one of the easiest solves in recent memory. But I enjoyedy it
I might be the only one who had not parsed the gimmick at the point I got to 87A and wondered, "From the clue, it must be CHIASMUS, but that doesn't fit! Is there an English version that is shorted to CHIAS? Who knew?!" But even if I knew it (I think from a Latin class on Horace in grad school?), I agree that it's not particularly NYT friendly.
ReplyDeleteWhat a week. For some unknown reason, my body stopped recognizing sodium and a couple other electrolytes and I ended ip in the hospital from Tuesday evening until about two this afternoon. I am fine, but the cause remains a mystery. I shall simply drink copious amounts of fortified water and hope for the best. This was simply another confirmation that getting older is not for the faint hearted - or faint anything else for that matter.
ReplyDeleteBut its been a fabulous week in the garden. My 4 tomato plants are already heavy with fruit, I am harvesting herbs and may actually have a basil “hedge!” Best of all, the deer in fact do not want to come up the concrete steps to the front porch, nut they do stand on the grass nsf
No fun at all. Really tedious and terrible cluing/ I stopped caring pretty quickly
ReplyDeleteSo, today could have been a dream come true. I spend the summer at the beach. I can't get delivery of the NYT, so every Sunday I head to the 7-11 a block away and hope to get the paper. Sometimes I'm there too early and the delivery man hasn't arrived yet. So I pace around for a half hour and hope. Sometimes I'm too late and other people have bought the two copies that the store orders. Today I got my Times. I headed to the beach and set up my umbrella and chair. It was about 78 degrees, low humidity, slight breeze. I was in heaven. Then I started solving the puzzle and within eight minutes my heaven turned to hell. In 50 years of solving the Sunday puzzle, this may be the worst.
ReplyDeleteBatirlo. {I know, wrong one, but still fun.}
ReplyDeleteHey! Stop! Thief! They're doing uniclues. Actually they're doing bi-uniclues-ish with ample random re-parse-ification.
Posting late, and have no idea what we've been discussing today ... yet.
Seemed a bit on the challenging side, but my time says it was more or less normal. I solve on my phone so the clicking around to check the un-clued boxes was a tad annoying. I stayed engaged with this throughout so I think I liked it. Finding the split answers to the clues was way more fun than noticing the non-clued answers were still normal words.
We've been over this like a million times. It's OHO, not AHA.
I will never understand the "letters aptly missing" cluing convention. It's never APT. What would make it apt? Especially if you're staring at SPRY and you know the majority of your crossword audience is spry old geezers, why wouldn't you tip your hat to them instead of chopping up another word with similar letters?
As someone who used to spend time balancing a checkbook, ADDing has never been as simple as I'd wish.
I've spent a good deal of time riling and baiting on social media and it works. Problem is those rilable and baitable are usually duds. Read and think first, and then be riled and baited.
I wonder if there's a certificate course to become a licensed sonnetEER. You'd think it would be a scaffolded route from writing a sonnet to becoming a sonneteer. What's the required number and quality?
Cathedrals in New Mexico are stuccoed rather than spired.
❤️ Excoriates. Free of bumps. SCRAM. Chest beaters? Why you little...
😩 THENEA. ART TEST. MOTTST.
People: 9
Places: 7
Products: 9
Partials: 14
Foreignisms: 5
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Gary's Grid Gunk Gauge: 44 of 128 (34%)
Funny Factor: 6 😐
Tee-Hee: Stiff. Ball pit.
Uniclues:
1 Evened up.
2 Why bumper to bumper is all the rage.
3 Cannibal's enthusiastic remark on entering his number one fan in the olla.
1 WAS A BIT ODD LESS OFTEN
2 DECENT LEEWAY PASSÉ
3 OH NEAT I SEE STAN SOUP
My Fascinating Crossword Uniclue Keepsake from Last Year: Nude comic at work. SHE SATIRES RAW.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
This is going to be really short, but I did want to explain my decidedly un-fun hiatus. Since Tuesday evening, I have been in the hospital. My body stopped recognizing sodium as something I need (despite the fact that, as recommended I have been drinking electrolyte-fortified water for several years), and Tuesday evening, my brain just quit understanding simple commands like “get up off the couch at the kids’ house and go across the patio to your place and feed the cat.” The cause of the weird event is still unexplained, but I am fine.
ReplyDeleteI had such high hopes for the week on Monday. Pride Month is here and Monday’s courageous and clever puzzle brought some much-needed joy. The remainder of the week though . . . pfffffftttt. It is possible, (probably likely) that my health and captivity negatively colored my attitude toward the rest of the week, so I’ll just call it done, make a couple comments about today and leave it at that.
Today’s theme is really the three day old fish in the room though - at least for me. I did well in the NW and all across the top tier. I even had some hope building at SOCKET for Ball pit? Decent start to a big fat Sunday grid, right? Of course, right! (Apologies to “Fiddler on the Roof”).
Because I already had GATECH in at 22A (without reading the clue), I thought perhaps I missed something or needed a rebus. I just soldiered on . . . and ran into the “non-clue” at 23A the obvious answer to which (from the downs that confirmed the answer) was ANGELIC. And so it went.
Because I truly do not feel my best (actually not even my “mediocre”), I decided to go on as a themeless, and finished just fine. Post-solve, though, while I get the 2 out of 3 thing, for me there lacks any connection among the three things in each theme set or a connection among all of the theme answers. They're all just 3 things. To me, a puzzle with a theme should, and typically does exhibit cohesion among theme material. Elements of a theme share commonality, right?
I freely admit that my brain is still quite literally broken right now, so if I missed the boat, the dock and the road to the dock, and had neither map nor GPS, someone (or many folks) please correct me!
I’m going to drink some more electrolyte and vitamin infused water and take another nap. I plan to catch up with all the comments from this week starting tomorrow. I truly missed all of you and my daily routine.
Peace, love and equality!
@CDilly52 7:21 PM
DeleteEEK! Scary. Glad you're feeling better, and yeah, it has not been a banner week for the NYTXW.
What a hatefest! Yes, some of the clueage was sewage and some of the fill was green paintage. Both the title and the revealer were disappointing. And it played tough, it played different, it took some time, but I for one was satisfied in finishing the meal.
ReplyDeleteAs the late, great Roger Ebert might have said, I hated, hated, hated this puzzle. ‘Nuff said.
ReplyDeleteIn the running for the worst puzzle of the year. I tend to not enjoy Simeon Siegel’s puzzles (a co-constructor here), and today’s experience only reiterated that.
ReplyDeleteAfter two natick-free Sundays, I was guardedly optimistic, but my hopes were dashed by TEASERRATE/ERAS/CHIASMUS. I surmised TEstERRATE which makes perfect sense, and had no way to correct it. Sundays without a natick set back to zero...
ReplyDeletePuke. Hated it. Slog. Not fun at all. Should be no stars.
ReplyDeleteNYT is on a streak of horrible puzzles lately. It seems the only challenge they're able to offer anymore is the challenge of obscurity. The days of clever cluing and wordplay are over. Instead, they just throw in a word like "CHIASMUS" and call it a day.
ReplyDeletesolved this puzzle while totally lost. Had no clue ; as to what-the-heck it was about. Thank you for explaining it. Stenches stables...huh??
ReplyDelete@Ellen, exactly my take. I just kept filling in words and eventually git the happy music.
DeleteThe most annoying part of this puzzle (for online solvers) was having to constantly go back to the starting clue for the themers. The theme would have been considerably less annoying if the online puzzle had carried the same clue across all three parts.
ReplyDeleteThis was unpleasant to say the least. I got the theme idea right away, but kept thinking I didn't, as in, "There's got to be more to this than that, because these are just words thrown together." And I agree with Rex on the answers themselves. ART TEST? NESTLE UP? I almost gave up, which I rarely do, because this one was the opposite of fun.
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