Relative difficulty: Easy-Medium
Theme answers:
- CINCHES (1A: 8' 4" = 100 inches)
- DREAMS (8A: 250,000 sheets = 500 reams)
- VIKING SHIPS (21A: Collectively, the reigns of all English monarchs named George = six kingships)
- LIABILITIES (51A: Superhuman strength, mind-reading, invisibility and four dozen other powers = fifty-one abilities)
- XBOXES (65A: ▢▢▢▢▢▢▢▢▢▢ = ten boxes)
- MANGLES (66A: Total on a chiliagon = 1,000 angles)
In geometry, a chiliagon (/ˈkɪliəɡɒn/) or 1,000-gon is a polygon with 1,000 sides. Philosophers commonly refer to chiliagons to illustrate ideas about the nature and workings of thought, meaning, and mental representation. [...] René Descartes uses the chiliagon as an example in his Sixth Meditation to demonstrate the difference between pure intellection and imagination. He says that, when one thinks of a chiliagon, he "does not imagine the thousand sides or see them as if they were present" before him – as he does when one imagines a triangle, for example. The imagination constructs a "confused representation," which is no different from that which it constructs of a myriagon (a polygon with ten thousand sides). However, he does clearly understand what a chiliagon is, just as he understands what a triangle is, and he is able to distinguish it from a myriagon. Therefore, the intellect is not dependent on imagination, Descartes claims, as it is able to entertain clear and distinct ideas when imagination is unable to. Philosopher Pierre Gassendi, a contemporary of Descartes, was critical of this interpretation, believing that while Descartes could imagine a chiliagon, he could not understand it: one could "perceive that the word 'chiliagon' signifies a figure with a thousand angles [but] that is just the meaning of the term, and it does not follow that you understand the thousand angles of the figure any better than you imagine them."
The example of a chiliagon is also referenced by other philosophers. David Hume points out that it is "impossible for the eye to determine the angles of a chiliagon to be equal to 1.996 right angles, or make any conjecture, that approaches this proportion." Gottfried Leibniz comments on a use of the chiliagon by John Locke, noting that one can have an idea of the polygon without having an image of it, and thus distinguishing ideas from images. Immanuel Kant refers instead to the enneacontahexagon (96-gon), but responds to the same question raised by Descartes.
Henri Poincaré uses the chiliagon as evidence that "intuition is not necessarily founded on the evidence of the senses" because "we can not represent to ourselves a chiliagon, and yet we reason by intuition on polygons in general, which include the chiliagon as a particular case."
Inspired by Descartes's chiliagon example, Roderick Chisholm and other 20th-century philosophers have used similar examples to make similar points. Chisholm's "speckled hen", which need not have a determinate number of speckles to be successfully imagined, is perhaps the most famous of these.
Bullets:
- 15A: Accessory for SpongeBob SquarePants (RED TIE) — oof. Green Paint if I ever saw it ("Green Paint" is a pairing of words that one might say in real life, but that does not have enough coherence or specificity to be a standalone answer) (GREEN LANTERN, yes; GREEN BEANS, yes; GREEN PAINT, no). Honestly, RED TIE is as close to the actual (non) answer GREEN PAINT as you're likely to get. If the concept of GREEN PAINT weren't already taken, we'd have to name it RED TIE. Been 21 years since anyone tried to make RED TIE happen. Here's to another 21. At least.
- 2D: Amount measured in calories (INTAKE) — completely confusing to me. Calories are measured in calories. INTAKE is a generic word. It has no dietary specificity. Your calorie INTAKE is measured in calories. The clue feels underwritten.
- 5D: Alternative to a walk (HIT) — baseball. A walk and a HIT are both ways to get on base.
- 23D: Queen of the Pride Lands (NALA) — a potentially tricky clue. I've still never seen The Lion King, but I've seen NALA in crosswords enough to recognize the signs here ("Queen" / "Pride" (of lions)).
- 33D: Questionable, in slang (SUS) — I can't say I love SUS, but as far as modern slang goes, it's very tolerable to my ears. It's a real thing that people say, and it makes sense (just an abbr. of "suspicious"), so as a newish addition to the three-letter landscape, I don't mind this little palindrome at all. I still say "sketchy" (or just "sketch"), because SUS feels generationally wrong in my mouth, but for others, I like it.
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ReplyDeleteEasy-Medium, Easy after I got the theme. I enjoyed the absurdity a lot more than @Rex did, perhaps in part because it was a non-rebus Thursday.
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Overwrites:
My 5D walk alternative was a run ("you have to walk before you can run") before it was a HIT
I thought SpongeBob wore a bowTIE, not a RED TIE (15A)
LAd before LAA for the Calif. team at 18A
My 19A happening was an event before it was AFOOT
At 55D, my shots were vaX before they were PIX
BY God before GUM at 66A, fixed by UNNAILED (64A), which was good because d ANGLES (66A) looked fine and seemed to fit the clue.
WOEs:
SARAH Connor at 7D (never saw The Terminator)
Black Window NATASHA Romanoff at 46A
Me too with vaX before PIX
DeleteSure thing vax kept that corner open too long.
DeleteWhen in Rome...I went IVS for FOUR seconds???
DeleteMaybe in my next life, Rex and I will agree on a crossword puzzle. I thought this was a gem (4-1/2 stars), with a revealer that invited the solver to begin the theme-related answers with a Roman numeral. I knew George VI was Queen Elizabeth's father (I even remember when he died) so VIKINGSHIPS was a natural. I can't wait to read the other comments.
ReplyDeleteI agree with you, I thought this was a lot of fun, and an impressive number of themers with fun fill!
DeleteIn the "thumbs up" camp here, too.
DeleteCaveat...the Across answers FAR outperformed the Downs (laden with 19 three-letter words, and nothing longer than six letters or particularly shiny).
I got the revealer and picked up the theme quickly, which made it fun. Bummed to see my assessment wasn't matched by Rex, at all.
Two paragraph write-up for the WOTD. I read it carefully (well, that might be a fib) and it went entirely over my head.
I'm getting as big a charge out of envisioning YAK racing as both elk and emu racing, if not more.
And if RED TIE must be an answer (my kids loved SpongeBob, so that was a gimme) let's raise a glass that the author and editor refrained from cluing with...well, you know who I'm talking about.
did not like this one at all, agree with Rex. BYGUM??? WTH? the Roman Numerals were way too random. sorry.....
ReplyDeleteI absolutely loved the challenge of this puzzle's theme. I did not understand what was happening right away so getting to the revealer was an "aha!" moment, and made me reverse-process the unfinished theme answers in terms of Roman numerals. Found it pretty clever and fun. Couldn't wait to read Rex's assessment.. Booo :-/ 4th time in about 2 weeks with completely opposite takes and negative vibe. (After almost a year of this, I think I'll just enjoy the NYT puzzle on my own. Cheers!)
ReplyDeleteBut then you'd miss out on the brilliant comments from the rest of us!
Delete@jberg is correct! I USED to get perturbed at Rex all the time! Now it’s only when I think he’s a bit mean…AND possibly uses “unscrupulous”….well, badly.
DeleteI absolutely needed the revealer as I wasn't getting a ton of traction in the grid--I did not remember CON AIR until I had __NAIR. I enjoyed it more than @Rex and for me it was appropriately difficult for a Thursday.
ReplyDeleteFour clues ending “informally,” two ending “in slang.” Kinda SUS, innit?
ReplyDeleteI enjoyed this puzzle! 7 themers, VII different really wacky Roman Numeral answers. I agree with OFL that the revealer was probably superfluous and a little "see what I did there???". Would any of you thought that pridelands should be one word instead of two? I'm always up for being reminded of Nicholas Cage. Is this now 2 days without StarWars??? BYGUM couldn't be BYGod because the clue was so non-vulgar/euphemistic, the answer had to be too. I enjoyed this puzzle! just under 14 minutes for me, so that was probably medium. Thanks, Yitzi!! I'll give this 3.5 stars. : )
ReplyDeleteI liked it. This math teacher also learned what a chiliagon is.
ReplyDeleteLearning about The Word of the Day made it all worthwhile for me.
DeleteI don't know why it's not spelled KILIAGON given that the chili- part is supposed to be the same prefix for 1000 that shows up in words like kilogram.
DeleteEven though I picked up on the theme right away, I wasn’t able to enjoy it due to the weak supporting cast. You’ve got NATASHA and ELIAS, SARAH and a Nicolas Cage movie from decades ago, Benny Goodman and the crosswordese ANA lady, . . . and that’s just the proper names.
ReplyDeleteSome may find the theme inspiring, I thought it was just a one-trick pony. Counting up little blank boxes is not what I came here for. I try to remain open-minded about Thursdays, but puzzles like this one are why today is my least favorite NYT crossword day.
Laughing at myself for the thought: “really? All the King Georges were during the Viking era?…”
ReplyDeleteSolving before coffee is dangerous…
I finished the puzzle and thought “Rex had to love this one.” The clever use of Roman numerals to create relevant stand alone words was outstanding, and it was all nonsense until the revealer, which, unlike Rex, was a huge aha moment for me and broke the puzzle open to a satisfying finish.
ReplyDeleteI’m recovering from surgery and have been banging out T-F-S puzzles from the NYT archives for 10 days and today’s puzzle is definitely in the upper echelon imo.
DNF. Thumbs down for me. Rex is bang on! Too many names, too much trivia and weak fill. UNNAILED is such a poor entry, I was certain it couldn't be right.
ReplyDeleteRex is too generous; zero stars for me. Despite his writeup I still have no clue about a CHILLIAGON.
DeleteHad to use too many hints and still was way over my average.
Well. There it is. A quintessential Thursday.
ReplyDeleteCrafty theme, slippery and clever cluing, no-knows, all teaming up to create a riddle-fest. Totally Thursday, IMO, in difficulty level and trickiness.
Marvelous concept! For me, cracking it brought a very satisfying aha.
In the theme answers, I love how the marriage of Roman numerals and what they’re counting make legitimate words, so there’s no gibberish in the box.
I liked seeing a clue that ended in “e.g.” – [Laudanum, e.g.] – echoing Tuesday’s terrific E.G. puzzle. I also liked the solving experience, a mix of quick-fill areas with brain-loving pesky ones.
Most impressive for a debut, Yitzi. This was a wow. What the heck can you follow it up with? I can’t wait to see. Thank you for a puzzle that filled me with GRINs!
We’ve seen plenty of ROMAN NUMERAL puzzles before - just not a theme that sparks my interest. Caught the trick with D REAMS and went right to the revealer to verify. It all works I guess but why do it?
ReplyDeleteThin Lizzy
Rex summarizes the overall fill - nothing really sticks out on the positive side. I’ll add ORE CART to UNNAILED as the ones that should have been edited out. They’re really pushing STAN in various versions on us lately.
Jumpin’ JIVE
Slight letdown for a Thursday morning solve.
I will do my JIG and live among the rolling hills
I could push it further --
DeleteBig fan of Central Asian countries....
STAN STAN
Medium. Enjoyed the theme but not the fill. Loved seeing CONAIR at 1D because it's the most ridiculous movie ever made.
ReplyDelete3 stars for the puzzle, a thousand stars for the absurdity of "Con Air".
I entered LATINNUMERALS and that cost me 10 minutes. I enjoyed this, it was tough but fair.
ReplyDeleteI made the same wrong turn
DeleteHey All !
ReplyDeleteRex's WOTD, chiliagon, is rather fascinating. If you didn't read about it, go back and check it out. A 1,000 sided polygon. Then, it states there is a 10,000 sided polygon! The mind boggles. At what point can you stop with the amount of sides on a polygon? I suppose it can do to infinity, though after a while, it will just look like a circle. Which makes Rex's pic of the bowl of chili quite funny.
So the peeps at the NYT have decided we need another puz to solve. We have now The Midi. Interesting. I did it, 9x9, Wondering if that will stay the same size. Also wondering if an outside constructor can submit such a puz.
Liked this puz. Playing around with ROMAN NUMERALS is usually a good time. Agree the LI was a bit of a stretch, but one has to do such things to get actual words to work with the Theme requirements. Knew a Pangram was AFOOT after getting the Q, J, Z. Surprised Rex didn't comment/lambaste that. I have no issues with going for Pangrams, as long as it doesn't seem forced.
The Blockers were interestingly placed to me, for some reason. A good chunk of the time, there are diagonals or stand-alone Blockers, but these seem organized, straitlaced, efficient. That's just my silly brain at work. 😁
Cool constructor name, Yitzi Snow. Wondering if this is a debut, as I don't recognize the name. I suppose I could go to xwordinfo and find out ... Nice puz, Yitzi.
Have a great Thursday!
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@Roo, I also noticed the Midi, and gotta say, I have zero interest in that like the Mini. I’m still ticked off that they quit publishing the Acrostic online and opted to go with a bunch of stupid stuff.
Delete@Beezer, in case you weren't aware - the website XWord Info publishes the NYT acrostics and other Sunday variety puzzles from the mag for a $20/year subscription. You can solve online or print out.
DeleteThanks @Carola! I confess…I’ve never really gone to XWord Info or if I did, I obviously didn’t investigate thoroughly.
DeleteWait, isn't F a roman numeral???.......
DeleteJK
Like others, liked it more than Rex did, though I agree the literal revealer fell flat.
ReplyDeleteI would push back a little on Rex’s objections to RED TIE. As clued, SpongeBob’s tie is a specific thing that is red. That doesn’t feel GREEN PAINTish to me.
yellow is the new green paint. (laughs like sponge bob)
DeleteI found this puzzle to be pretty easy and enjoyed the theme. That being said, I hated the answer TWOD!
ReplyDelete2-500???
DeleteI liked this more than Rex. I also got the Roman Numeral revealer first. And I'm not sure I would have figured it out otherwise.
ReplyDeleteNo italics in the clues in Across Lite, but most of this was still fairly easy and clear. But there were no boxes in the clue for 65A — just two sets of quotation marks — so the SW was a train wreck.
ReplyDeleteI solve on my phone but thought the square boxes I saw should be parallelograms to be boxes in italics.
DeleteI mostly liked it and needed the revealer to help me finish. Thought it would get docked half a star due to being pangran.
ReplyDeleteOne can say, 42 across should have been a themer!
ReplyDeleteLoss of symmetry notwithstanding, great catch!!
DeleteI thought the theme was fine, but I disliked some of the fill. Sus, eval and unnailed, which my spellchecker doesn't like either. I don't think of By Gum as at all synonymous with Dagnabbit. It's a northern English phrase used to express surprise with no negative particular overtones. Reminded me of a poem from my childhood (in the north of England): "Ee by gum, me mother was a plum, me father was a blackbird, he ate my mum." Okay, maybe that is a bit negative.
ReplyDeleteEven though I got the theme,I had Naticks all over the place. No fun.No enjoyment.🎈🎈🎊🎊NOT.
ReplyDeleteEven though the puzzle HIT me over the head with the revealer, I never caught on. What a sleepy-head! In retrospect a well-organized puzzle with some very tricky clues. Randomness is never an issue for me—in a way it’s part of the challenge. Next time I’ll have my coffee first and maybe be more alert!
ReplyDeleteI’m sometimes made uncomfortable by extreme polarization of views, but I’m thoroughly enjoying it in relation to this puzzle. I’m very much in the positive camp. I was aware that all the likely theme answers were one or two squares shorter than the space provided and thought, “Huh?” But then got to ROMAN NUMERALS and had a nice “Aha!” As for the crosswordese, none of it gave me any trouble and I’m forgiving because it was in support of such an enjoyable theme. Sure, there were some answers that were unfortunate like UNNAILED, but for every UNNAILED, there was a SONATINA!
ReplyDeleteI’m wondering if the clue can determine the green-paint status of an answer. For example, if the clue on RED TIE had been “Brightly colored men’s accessory,” i.e. completely generic, then the answer would be a prime example of green paint. But because this clue referenced part of a specific character’s signature style [Accessory for SpongeBob SquarePants], it’s much less green-painty. It’s SpongeBob SquarePants’s RED TIE. Or is it the case that a RED TIE is a RED TIE is a RED TIE?
Yikes, I guess I’m kind of gobsmacked by Rex’s review because I really enjoyed actually needing the theme to solve the puzzle. The ROMANNUMERALS were always at the beginning so the fact that a second L and I were in a few themers didn’t bother me. I DID spend an inordinate amount of time trying to figure out how 8’4” was CINCHES but finally left it and strolled down eventually to the revealer for my “aha” moment.
ReplyDeleteStill trying to figure out why CONAIR and REDTIE would be so off-putting to Rex and I seen words more egregious than UNNAILED in past puzzles. Now I’m curious about “unscrupulous constructor”….and wondering if Rex thinks the constructor has no scruples OR is not a scrupulous constructor…
I also thought "unscrupulous" didn't sound quite right.
DeleteI really liked this one. I have some quibbles with a few answers (assed, unnailed) but they were easy enough to figure out. I like my thursday to put up a bit of a fight and this one definitely did that for me.
ReplyDeleteI’m usually pretty closely in line with RP but we’re at opposite ends on this one. I thought this was brilliant. In the beginning, I feared there was going to be some complex math equation that I would never figure out because I’m no mathematician. That’s why I do word puzzles. But I was ultimately delighted to see it was nothing more than Roman numerals, much to my relief. Numbers which appear as letters … that I can handle.
ReplyDeleteStill, before getting to the revealer it was slow going when I could not make sense of some of the answers, and I began to SUS that I was going to hate it. Then the more I filled in, the better I liked it, and I was off to the YAK races. Frowned at TWOD for the longest time before realizing it was 2D - a head slapper there. The puzzle itself wasn’t too easy, but the themers were easy for me. I knew how many KING Georges there were, with the last one being Charles’ grandfather. Also the subject of an Oscar-winning movie, The King’s Speech, an intriguing true story and an excellent film which I highly recommend.
I also highly recommend this puzzle for anyone who wants to solve an exceptionally good Thursday crossword. Thank you Yitzi, and congratulations on a truly fine debut. I hope you’ll reach across the pond again soon with another submission. I look forward to it.
What is the meaning of 34 across— TWOD ?
ReplyDeleteIt took me so long also. 2 dimensional
Delete2 dimensional
Delete2D (two dimensional)
DeleteTWO-D (two-dimensional).
DeleteCan also mean "past tense of twead".
DeleteMedium. I thought Rex made some good criticisms today. In my view, EYESORE is a good word for some of those entries, such as TWOD, which at first looked like so much TWODdle before I arrived at the 2-D meaning. Also UNNAILED -- although, that is a Scrabble word, so I wouldn't go as far as Rex to say it's not a word. RED TIE: I don't know how you clue that to extricate it from the green paint mess it's in. ORE CART: sorry, not much pleasure to be found there. And don't get me started on 49 Down.
ReplyDeleteThere's a certain amount of silliness in some of those theme clues, that I can see the charm of. Top prize there goes to LIABILITIES. The clue for MANGLES was at first baffling, but afterwards I got a kick out of "chiliagon", and the extended commentary in Rex's write-up.
SUS is a word I saw an awful lot of, as I was reading comments last night on Pete Hegseth's alleged 315-pound bench press. What I CAN SAY is that his form there was consistent with his form in doing pull-ups, his legs kicking and flailing away and his chin not quite clearing the bar. He doesn't strike me as authentically one of the gym BROS. (It'd be easier to pass over in silence all this ostentatious masculinity cult nonsense he's all up in, if he weren't already such a SLEAZE.) I can easily imagine he goes in for ball-tanning as well.
Anyway, not really my cuppa, but I'm glad some of you enjoyed it.
What bothered me the most was that the revealer promised all the theme clues are in italics, but those 10 boxes in the 65 across clue are not in italics
ReplyDeleteAnon, it's possible, and I'd bet a buck, that the boxes were in italics, just the font, for that particular character, was indistinguishable from regular.
DeleteSo maybe the editor should have used "started clues" rather than italics.
At first xboxes looked like it might have something to do with Wordle
DeleteThey appeared as italicized boxes on my web version, which made them not-boxes
DeleteI've come to cherish a "why these...?" rant from @Rex. They've become rarer over the years, but every time we get one, my heart skips a beat (as an aside, my heart skips a beat anyway due to my atrial fibrillation). The answer, of course, is that these particular Roman numerals can be used as the start of familiar words or phrases when viewed as letters in the English language. Perhaps it would have been a better puzzle if 100 500 6 51 10 1000 translated to "drink your ovaltine" on the Orphan Annie Decoder Ring, but otherwise, what's a constructor to do? I thought this was a well-conceived very fun puzzle. Thanks and congrats on the debut, Yitzi Snow.
ReplyDeleteMe siento bonita.
ReplyDeleteThird much tougher puzzle than usual in a row. This one had me scared I wasn't going to be able to do it. Took forever to get a start. Then I realized I was going to need to do Roman numeral math. And I got kind of sad at first. But then the answer started appearing and they were all pretty cool. VIKING SHIPS is my least favorite clue and my most favorite answer. In the end I decided I like this puzzle quite a bit.
I spent most of my time in the southeast trying to untangle the thicket of NATASHA, GAIN TIME, and UNNAILED floors. All of those are pretty questionable and the crosses weren't helping me much.
SpongeBob isn't part of my daily TV watching, so I thought he might wear a BOWTIE. Then NATALIA seemed like she'd make a nice Romanoff, but apparently her twin sister NATASHA is the famous one. NATALIA must be the quiet pretty one who does seamstress work and is in love with a murderer.
I read about chiligons after the solve and it is kinda fun. One thousand sides. And is as much about philosophy as math as 🦖 points out from Wikipedia. And when I type it into my phone the autocorrect thinks I am after chili goons, which are 1000 sided Scoville aficionados.
❤️ FIE. Dagnabbit. BY GUM.
People: 8
Places: 2
Products: 4
Partials: 8
Foreignisms: 2
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Gary's Grid Gunk Gauge: 24 of 74 (32%)
Funny Factor: 4 🙂
Tee-Hee: SLEAZE ASSED.
Uniclues:
1 Painkiller to help with all those bites on your tongue.
2 That which follows the funeral, but you have to eat fast as we're going down.
3 The fact that people point in laugh at your sticky up hair among other things.
4 What the phrase, "Hey Gary, come here," leads me to think.
1 ANT EATER OPIATE
2 VIKING SHIP BBQ
3 GEL LIABILITIES
4 PESKY MRS
My Fascinating Crossword Uniclue Keepsake from Last Year: French films featuring squids attached to fortune tellers. SEER SUCKER CINÉ.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@Gary…I also put in NATAlia before NATASHA. I flirted with the idea of NATALya also.
Delete"Dagnabbit" might well be the most fun minced oath of all time. Try it some time! "Consarn it" is also pretty good, if you want to capture that old toothless prospector vibe.
DeleteI got the theme from 1A and 8A. “Hmm, why 100 inches?” And ”500 reams?” And, like Lewis (the kindest commenter in creation) I thought it super clever.
ReplyDeleteI found the fill tolerable but then I’ve only been doing the NYTXW daily for 15 years instead of forever. Tricky clues for ones I see often made them less boring.
And now I want to go eat roti, rice, and raita (I tried that last in both spaces beginning with R before realizing they were too short).
So, Rex, are you saying that cluing ASSED as a partial was a half-ASSED thing to do?
ReplyDeleteUnlike Rex, I did not catch on that we were dealing with Roman numerals, so I was kind of stuck into the revealer. I started off well, getting SONATINA with no crosses -- but then I figured (correctly) that calories were measuring eNergy, which blocked ANTEATER, but enabled 'eighty years' as the reign-lengths for all those Georges. That was just a guess on a number that fit and it really screwed me up. I spent some time wondering if there were 7 countries with names ending in either -ynia or -yria.
I also put ROTI in the wrong place, and wanted onset instead of SALVO. I could tell I was in trouble because many of my wrong answers didn't fit with each other-- but I couldn't see the way out until I got the revealer.
And, to my great embarrassment, I had no idea what Walt Disney's last name was, or how Sponge Bob dressed himself. No idea, either, although it doesn't embarrass me, whom the terminator wanted to terminate, or what kind of singing workers appear in Frozen. ICEMEN, really? Aren't those the guys who saw blocks of ice from the cover of a frozen lake and store them in the icehouse to be delivered in the warm months for people to put in their iceboxes?
As for MRS...maybe back in the 1980s.
And while it's not significant, cluing HERMES as Mercury's mythological counterpart is just weird, since Mercury is mythological himself. And I was disappointed when the Queen of the Pride Lands wasn't something from gay culture. Disappointed as well when I learned post-solve that the Blacks Widow was a Marvel thing, rather than the Tsar's elder sister who escaped to Paris before the rest of the family was executed.
OTOH, it didn't bother me at all that the assorted ROMAN NUMERALS didn't spell out a secret word or appear in either numerical of alphabetical order.
You should be more than embarrassed about not knowing Walt Disney's last name.
Delete@jberg 9:36 am, I was also briefly put off by the clue for HERMES, but if you take it as "mythological counterpart" contrasted to "chemical counterpart" or "planetary counterpart" of Mercury, it's fine.
DeleteHello all, it's been a few years since I've mentioned this, so I'm just checking in to register my favorite pet peeve: Do we think that constructors and editors will ever learn that Scots speakers don't use NAE for the meaning of "no" that is clued in this puzzle ("Highland refusal")?
ReplyDeleteThere are two different words spelled "NO" in the English language. But in the Scots language (or in Scottish dialects of English), however, only one of these is NO (sometimes NA), and the other is NAE.
NAE is not usually the way to spell the word used by a speaker of Scots to show disagreement or denial (the word that is the opposite of YES); this would be just NO, like in standard English (or sometimes NA to reflect Scots pronunciation). But NAE is how a Scot would pronounce the determining adverb or adjective that means "not" or "not any". Examples:
1. There is NAE whisky left in the barrel. (A Scots speaker would say this)
2. Is there any whisky left in the barrel? NAE. (A Scots speaker would not normally say this, they would say NO or NA.)
My pessimistic opinion is that they will never get this right, and we will continue to have NAE clued incorrectly (and perhaps offensively, to those inclined to take offense when their language is flippantly misunderstood) as "Highland refusal or "Scottish denial" until the heat death of the universe.
dragoo, you got me to look up the lyrics to the (drinking) song, Wild Rover, thinking it might include NAE.
DeleteBut the song is Irish, not Scottish, so the refrain goes...
And it's no NAY never
[clap, clap, clap, clap]
No NAY never no more...etc.
Probably will have that as an ear worm today; it could be worse.
@dragoo 9:46 AM
DeleteThis is a pretty weird hill to die on, but I remember you (or somebody) mentioning it before. I'm doubtful many Scots will take such offense as to go to battle over it, but who knows. These are strange times, nae? Erm, no?
Right up there in the WOAT competition. The gimmick simply overwhelmed the whole experience. This was an example of my growing fear that with the introduction of the "Midi," the regular puzzles would get crazier and crazier. I've been on the edge of abandoning the NYTXW (after 75 years) ever since the WS era began; this one may just do it.
ReplyDelete@BlueStater 9:49 AM
DeleteYour comment here is a pretty great example of why I poke a little fun at the complainers by saying we'll see them tomorrow. Will started editing Nov. 21, 1993. That's nearly 12000 days ago. You've been unhappy with the product for 12,000 days? You're a regular grumble bunny here, so seriously, you're not quitting. You just want someone to hear you vent. It's all good. We'll see you tomorrow.
I loved this one! It had one of the best "Aha!" moments ever when I got the revealer. I did have the thought that a better clue for REDTIE might be "What do a**hole presidents often wear?"
ReplyDeleteNice !
DeleteI thought the same! Or at least along similar lines. I didn't know until a few minutes ago that the way he ties his ties has the front end hanging down so low, that the back end behind it doesn't reach the loop to stick it through, so he resorts to scotch-taping it in place.
DeleteI didn’t notice that RP mentioned this was a pangram. On top of all the other cleverness … impressive.
ReplyDeleteSuch a polarity of opinions about this puzzle! Well, put me in the YES! group ... I enjoyed sussing out the roman numeral answers. I immediately entered CINCHES when I read the first clue, and thought "if that is the right answer, this puzzle is going to be fun!" And it was. the clueing was difficult at times for me, which made the solve medium hard. But still, fun!
ReplyDeleteDid anyone have trouble printing today’s crossword? Help!
ReplyDeleteThis played VERY hard for me. Roman numerals are a thing that have never gotten a toehold in my brain, so I had to google "50 in roman numerals," among other things. Also got held up in the SE, also did a big grimace at UNNAILED, also had VAX before PIX, and it took me way too long to remember that CONAIR exists and what a SONATINA is. Woof. I'm ready for a nap.
ReplyDeleteWhen I was newer to solving, I used to keep a little cheat sheet with common crossword answers like QED. I also included Roman numerals because I had the same lack of toehold. I guess it paid off because I had no trouble at all with these today.
Deletenot for me
ReplyDeleteOnce I got the Roman numerals part, I really should have gone and figured out all the italicized clues, and put them in, as it would have helped in the long run (e.g., for a long time the SW corner was blank other than UNO, but when I finally looked at the clue for 65A and put in XBOXES, I filled in the rest in short order).
ReplyDeleteOther hangups: 1. I saw L and thought MTA, as I think of the Chicago trains as Els not Ls (see this article from Chicago magazine https://www.chicagomag.com/city-life/May-2019/Once-and-for-All-Is-it-the-Chicago-El-el-L-or-L/); 2. I had AERO for 'planes, informally' instead of TWOD.
I liked the misdirection on the "Like a fish out of water" clue (had to get most of the crossers before I got SIMILE!).
Finally, I'm cleaning out my office, and a few days ago found a clipping of an article summarizing a poll in which the majority of Americans said they were opposed to teaching Arabic numerals in schools (presumably because they didn't know that the numerals we use every day are Arabic, not that they wanted to switch to Roman numerals!).
I'm with the "liked it a lot" crew today. Got to the revealer early in the game as nothing else was happening, and then tried using Roman numerals somehow in answers like 8'4". Well, that didn't work. Caught on eventually, which is better than not catching on at all, but barely.
ReplyDeleteKind of started at the bottom, had ANA and NAG going down and confidently wrote in TMI for "You can stop right there!", which was brilliant, but wrong. Today I was re-introduced to SARAH, met NATASHA, was reminded of NALA, and found out what a chiliagon is. Cool word.
As others have said, FIE on UNNAILED. Just no. See also ORECART.
I'm with DAVinHOP in thinking the REDTIE clue could have been much worse.
Great debut, YS. You Should get a lot of puzzles published if they're this level. Congrats and thanks for all the fun.
Absolutely LOVED it! Rex must not be numbers guy.
ReplyDeleteMedium. I mostly solved this from the middle out which gave me the theme fairly early but I still had problems, especially in the SW which was the toughest section for me. I did not know HERMES, I had tmi before INN, UNNAILED and BY GUM were not obvious, chiligon was a mystery…tough corner.
ReplyDeleteClever and fun, liked it quite a bit more than @Rex did but he makes some valid points about the fill.
That should be SE not SW, sorry about that.
DeleteRex, TBH, at some point you would do well to be able to not like a puzzle and not be so mean about it at the same time.
ReplyDeletePersonally, I kind of liked it.
Rex, TBH, at some point you would do well to be able to not like a puzzle and not be so mean about it at the same time.
ReplyDeletePersonally, I kind of liked it.
I thought @Rex was overly crotchety about this one. For me - very creative, clever and fun to solve. I caught on to the ROMAN NUMERALS fairly early, with DREAMS. Then I went back to take another look at ?INCHES (I didn't know CONAIR), and understood why it had to be CINCHES. After that, VIKING SHIPS (=VI KINGSHIPS) was a delight, and I loved LIABILITIES as zany fun. The only one I could get immediately was XBOXES, while MANGLES had to wait for many crosses. Other pleasures: Laudanum in the clue; JIG x JIVE; BY GUM. I was surprised to learn here that this is a debut - looking forward to more!
ReplyDeleteI got a Saturday's worth of solving today. The fill was challenging enough that even after the theme was revealed I still had to put in some work.
ReplyDeleteVery little discussion today regarding the pangram aspect. This stood out to me because this puzzle shares BBQ, as part of an entry with last Saturday's puzzle which missed being a pangram by a W.
Whenever I run across SUS I'm reminded of this very Gen-X anthem, so it's multi-generational ;-)
ReplyDeleteSuspect Device:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zp61kbq48Cs
I rate this only I ⭐️
ReplyDeleteI guess Rex didn't get that the "51 Abilities" clue refers to the complete list of Superman's powers, so it's not at all random.
ReplyDeleteI found myself nodding when Rex mentioned ‘alleged fun.’ This puzzle was not fun at all. Quit about halfway through.
ReplyDeleteHey, this ThursPuz has got ...
ReplyDelete* Only LXXIV words.
* All XXVI letters.
* Puzthemers that use all MDCLXVI Roman numerals.
* NYTPuz number I for this constructioneer.
* III pangrammer-feedin staff weeject picks: JIG. QED. PIX.
... ergo, M&A rates this puz:
1009 Aces! *
fave thing: ICANSAY = {Small food bank donation, e.g.?}.
fun fact: Roman numerals ain't got no symbol for a zero.
Thanx for the fun, Mr. Snow dude. Primo debut. Congratz.
Masked & AnonymoIIIUs
* MIX MASTERS. har
I’m not as discerning as REX. I loved doing this puzzle, even with all its flaws, which I didn’t realize were there until REX pointed them out. Conceptually very creative and an absolute joyful process from beginning to end. Keep’em coming.
ReplyDeleteI caught on to the ROMAN NUMERALness right off the bat, although 1A was my last to fill in. CINCHES - my favorite theme answer. Is a SALVO necessarily sudden? I agree that the revealer was needless bland filler. LIABILITIES was next to last to fill - I wasn’t doing the math - but the ridiculousness of the clue has something going for it. My general feeling is that Rex's criticism was valid as usual, but at least it put up a little more resistance than we’ve been seeing.
ReplyDeleteLike Rex, I didn't like the gunkiness or all the names, but like many of you I did like the theme. It was fun and sorta cute. Although I wasted way too much time trying to remember how to spell 250,000 in Roman numerals.
ReplyDeleteIt was a bit challenging because I was not on Yitzi's wavelength, clue wise. 2 down "Amount measured in calories" = ENERGY. I could have guessed "Org. that runs the 'El'"; the lone L just doesn't look right.
I was quite relieved when "Wilted" did not turn out to be ADROOP.
Quite easy, but one overwrite. ONE D before TWO D. And I have a math degree!
ReplyDeleteLiked the theme, needed the revealer, long time to get a toehold, Saturday time.
ReplyDeletethis is a solid debut what's the beef Rex? its silly for sure that's the point - and the Roman Numeral clues do indeed add UP plus create some nice long across answers - 2 stars? 4 for sure
ReplyDeleteWow! What a polarized group this morning. I’m on the pro side. Even though I don’t think in Roman numerals and therefore found it more difficult than usual, I loved it. I know I, V, X, L, C, but if you asked me what is the Roman numeral for, say, 1,149 I would have to get out a pen and paper and try to work it out. I would have had such a tough time filing my tax forms in ancient Gaul.
ReplyDeleteRex says, “The numbers don't go in order or have any sense of purpose”. Hmmm, Rex, could the purpose just be fun?
I’m puzzled by all the animosity directed towards UNNAILED. Have none of you ever installed a floor or even had one installed for you and hung around on-site long enough to see what was going on? Some floorboards are obviously nailed down. The older barn on my property is an example of this; the boards are nailed to the floor joists with the nailheads exposed. Very simple, very rustic. I’ve seen this in older farm houses, too. Kind of a nice look.
Some wood floors appear to be unnailed but, like the ones in my house, are blind nailed (the nails are hidden). And then there are the “floating” floors, the scourge of modern home construction. They are usually called “laminate” and consist of a thin wood-composite layer with a photograph of wood glued onto it and topped with a clear melamine. They are UNNAILED. Instead, they have a kind of lipped tongue and groove system that snaps together to hold the pieces in place. Sort of. After a few years you will notice them separating and they will click and clack when you walk on them because they are loose panels of plastic.
So I’m not saying UNNAILED is good (it’s generally not), I’m just saying it is a valid answer.
Hard disagree. I thought this was clever and difficult without being impossible to figure out. Genuine AHA when I realized what was going on, which is rare.
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