Relative difficulty: Medium-Challenging (just a bit harder than the typical Tuesday)
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| [23D: "Star Wars" princess (LEIA)] |
Theme answers:
- NATO ALPHABET (19A: It begins with Alfa and ends with Zulu) (Echo = letter "E")
- GREEK MYTHOLOGY (26A: Hellenistic storytelling) (Echo = Nymph in love with Narcissus)
- AMAZON WAREHOUSE (34A: Modern pickup sport for delivery drivers) (Echo = some stupid A.I. thing you allow to surveil you in your own home for some reason)
- THE GRAND CANYON 44A: Historic destination for Pueblo pilgrimages) (Echo = sound repetition)
In Greek mythology, Echo (/ˈɛkoʊ/; Greek: Ἠχώ, Ēkhō, "echo", from ἦχος (ēchos), "sound"[4]) was an Oread who resided on Mount Cithaeron. Zeus loved consorting with beautiful nymphs and often visited them on Earth. Eventually, Zeus's wife, Hera, became suspicious, and came from Mount Olympus in an attempt to catch Zeus with the nymphs. Echo, by trying to protect Zeus (as he had ordered her to do), endured Hera's wrath, and Hera made her only able to speak the last words spoken to her. When Echo met Narcissus and fell in love with him, she was unable to tell him how she felt and was forced to watch him as he fell in love with himself. [...] [According to Ovid's Metamorphoses], when Narcissus died, wasting away before his own reflection, consumed by a love that could not be, Echo mourned over his body. When Narcissus, looking one last time into the pool uttered, "Oh marvellous boy, I loved you in vain, farewell", Echo too chorused, "Farewell." // Eventually, Echo, too, began to waste away. Her beauty faded, her skin shrivelled, and her bones turned to stone. Today, all that remains of Echo is the sound of her voice.(wikipedia)
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The theme concept is a winner. Nice wordplay on the revealer. Really delivers on the aha. The fill on this one I liked less. Easier to fill a puzzle cleanly with fewer themers—just sayin'! The cramming together of three themers in just five rows makes the crossing fill veer sharply toward SLOP (40D: Unappetizing food). The puzzle is definitely at its crosswordesiest through there, from AGRA through LEIA ORG WTA WAWA HAR LAH to the ETNA SLOP and the always regrettable UEYS. Just not a pleasant place to spend time. But alarm bells were going off much earlier, actually. I was just POSIES PGA ORD-deep in the puzzle when I paused and thought "ORD? Already? Uh oh." It's an airport code, it's a Fort in California, it's short for "ordinance" (or "ordinal"), it's [checks database] a river in Australia!? OK, take it easy, 1989 Thursday puzzle. Anyway, ORD is some top-shelf crosswordese. OOXTEPLERNON (the god of bad short fill) always flies through O'Hare, both because it is a hellish place where people often get stuck (apt!), and because it has the crosswordesiest airport code of them all. What about SFO and LAX, you say? At least those have the cities they serve embedded in the codes themselves. ORD is some nonsense you just have to memorize (O'Hare's original name was Orchard Field Airport). I don't mean to pick on ORD too much, but every time I see it, I wonder what's making the constructor so desperate. It felt like an omen, seeing it right away.
But the most regrettable fill today wasn't the short common stuff. No. Instead, it came when someone LIT A FIRE IN A RUT. That takes the EAT A SANDWICH answer type to a whole new level—the EAT A SANDWICH IN A DINER level. This is the first time this level has ever been achieved, to my knowledge. It's one thing to roll out a weak "[verb] A [noun]" phrase, but quite another to follow that phrase with a "[preposition] A [noun]" phrase. Truly
Bullets:
- 43A: Fight night souvenir, perhaps (WELT) — "Fight night" makes me think of the audience's experience, not the fighter's. I wanted something like "ticket stub." Also, this answer was hard because I spelled the (hateful) crossing, UEYS, like so: UIES. Sadly (very sadly), both are acceptable, per NYTXW tradition.
- 37D: Sports grp. for Coco Gauff (WTA) — once again, I cannot come up with the tennis org. abbr. ATA? UTA? All sports org. abbrevs. are slowly turning into one ball of gelatinous goo in my head.
- 11D: Novel feature of the 1974 Olds Toronado (AIR BAG) — one of the clues that made this puzzle harder than the usual Tuesday. I was looking for something "novel" in the sense of strange or eye-catching. Like tailfins or a dome or laser beams or something, I dunno. Needed many crosses to see the plain-old AIR BAG.
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| [1974 Olds Toronado] |
- 20D: Prefix for element #8 (OXY) — LOL that I know the Periodic Table that well. I still don't know what element this is. Is it "Contin"? Hang on ... wait, what? Oxygen? So the "prefix for" is actually a "prefix already in"!?!?! If you say "Prefix for" something, I assume (logically) that it is a prefix that you can attach to whatever thing you're talking about, not one that's already part of the word. Unless there is an "oxyoxygen" I know nothing about, I hate this clue.
- 12D: Visibly disdainful (SNEERY) — I am visibly disdainful of SNEERY. I know you can't see me, but trust me: visibly.
That's all. See you next time.
P.S. shout-out to my mom, out on the streets protesting fascism (that's her with the "Democracy Depends on Rule of Law" sign) (shout-out to the other lady too!)
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Definitely a bit harder for a Tuesday. I didn’t understand the Echo theme until reading the post.
ReplyDeleteVery enjoyable Tuesday. Didn't know all the meanings of "echo," so it proved a bit of a challenge...even though _____ALPHABET, ______MYTHOLOGY and _____WAREHOUSE were evident from the crosses.
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ReplyDeleteEasy, but I enjoyed it. Cute theme. I was much less offended by the Amazon and O'Hare references than OFL was.
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Overwrites:
When I was behind at 30D I lagged before I OWEd. Quickly fixed because there's a WAWA (33A) on every corner in my area.
My 38D lease alternative was buy before it was OWN
WOEs:
New Wave band Split ENZ (27D)
Coco Gauff's grp. WTA at 38D
Wish there were WAWAs down here in NC. Miss their shorties terribly.
DeleteBut u have Buc-ees!
DeleteIf it makes you feel any better Amazon Echo has lost them about $25B! No one uses them to buy stuff: just alarms, reminders and trivia queries.
ReplyDeleteYou’re so right. Just another piece of junk in my home spying on me.
Deletewe do. and music too. betting odds, weather etc etc great invention
DeleteAnon, assuming what you say is true, it does make me feel better. Schadenfreude. I assumed Amazon would incur Rex's disdain.
Deletewe have 6 amazon echos in our house, and I still thought the Amazon Warehouse answer related to an actual echo.
ReplyDeleteBest Tuesday in recent memory. Just challenging enough to make it interesting.
ReplyDeleteDecent early week puzzle - cute enough theme and overall well filled. Liked THE GRAND CANYON and ECHOLOCATION. Not sure I’m down with the cancel crossword culture - if so CHE and LENIN etc will have to go also.
ReplyDeleteWorld PARTY
The Finn brother thing never worked for me - add The Triffids to the Chills grouping and we have something. Don’t WHALE PODS ECHOLOCATE also? SNEERY is pretty cool and overcomes UEYS. The short stuff today is gluey.
The Revealing Science of God
Pleasant enough frigid Tuesday morning solve.
John Doe
Enjoyed this puzzle a little more than @REX did.... though I don't actually Rex's star rating this morning. Rex--please add your gold stars! I'd give this 3.5. It's a great theme, well done! And.... there's a shout out to OFL in the grid, which is always a nice touch. (Should make a grid with Patrick, Robyn, Will, Joel, and Rex all embedded sometime... see if anybody notices!). The innovation I remember about old Olds Toronados had something to do with front wheel drive... Yeah. Those 4 long themers plus the revealer strain the grid and forced a grid with a LOT of 3 letter flll (21 three-letter entries, I think?). Kind of enjoyed the scene as we lit the fire in the rut (to reduce the wind and let the tinder catch). While the TEENs played their new song in CSHARP to the rhythm of the HIHAT. Thanks, Jonathan! : )
ReplyDeleteYep Rick I think it was the first front wheel drive vehicle that came out for a long time…or maybe first one mass-produced. I remember being with my Dad in our car on an icy road behind a Tornado and it almost spun out. My Dad kinda harumphed and said, that driver needs to learn how to get out of a skid with that front wheel drive.
DeleteDoes no one remember SAAB automobiles? They were pretty popular for the latter part of the last century as an alternative to BMW and Audi. All were front wheel drive. Suffered the same fate as Oldsmobile. Long gone from the auto landscape. So Olds wasn’t such an unusual innovation after all.
DeleteTry SAAB as first FWD mass produced.
DeleteI love me a good riddle, so after I filled in the three theme answers, having left the reveal blank and not reading its clue, I stopped the fill-in and started trying to crack the big question: What did those four answers have in common?
ReplyDeleteIt turns out that all I had to do was focus on the first two, finding a Greek god in the NATO alphabet. That never occurred to me. But oh, the places I went! First letters of the theme answer words, commonalities among the last words, descriptors of the Grand Canyon …
The point is my brain was pinballing all over the place, looking at letters and words, visualizing warehouses and canyons, and spending much time, to paraphrase one of the puzzle’s answers, going, “WA?” “WA?”
Finally, I uncle-d, having been gotten good, read the revealer’s clue, and immediately underwent an aha moment for the ages that included the mighty riddle-crack, awe over the brilliant repurposing ECHOLOCATION, all on top of post-workout-odyssey brain-glee.
To which I say wow, thank you, and bravo, Jonathan, not to mention congratulations on one terrific debut!
Serendipity watch. Rare-in-crosswords five-letter semordnilap (ENOLA), LEFT in the appropriate side, and a lovely nonet of long-E-sounding enders (MARY , MYTHOLOGY, ROTI, NEWLY, TECHIE, OPIE, OXY, SNEERY, PARTY).
DeleteA quick solve but theme eluded me.🤔🤔
ReplyDeleteInstead of Amazon Warehouse, how about ____ And The Bunnymen. I know, it’s 1 letter short. But that’s your generation too, right @Rex?
ReplyDeleteSimilar experience but managed to like it more. GO MOM!!!
ReplyDeleteI came here to say that. Go Rex’s Mom!!
DeleteORC in the grid and then…orca clue?? Tsk.
ReplyDeleteI really enjoyed the puzzle albeit it was unusually challenging for a Tuesday. My overwrites:
ReplyDelete4d Iwin for Imin
30d buy for own
27d end for enz(my age is showing through)
39d uees for ueys(duh)
57d Omen for Aden
42a Naan for roti
Took awhile to see 50d as newly
Rex, I completely agree with you about Amazon. Unfortunately, since our daughter is in Africa, Amazon is one of the only places that ships things(embassyaddress) for free. I hate everything they stand for! Contrast them with Costco which has a very good union and runs very efficiently with content employees. It's a pleasure shopping there.
I loved the sign your mother was wearing and feel inspired to make my own for the next rally.
Somehow, I stumbled across your blog several months ago. Now, it's a morning ritual!! I appreciate all your time and creativity!
Enjoyable. I appreciate that there are four different types of echoes, even if they all are named for the one from GREEK MYTHOLOGY.
ReplyDeleteThe OXY clue is saying that, when you use OXY as a prefix on a thing , it is referring to the thing having oxygen, so Rex interpreted that wrong.
Hey All !
ReplyDeleteRex forgot to mention REX! He's in the running for "name often seen in the NYT puzzle" with myself and @pablo! We all have 1 point each.
Knew the ECHOs, except the GREEK one. Probably was in a small space in the ole brain, but got kicked out by some other small bit of info. Now it needs to find somewhere to settle. I guess some other trivial piece of knowledge will get the boot.
The Tornado also had front wheel drive,, another innovation back then. Go Oldsmobile!
Liked the puz overall, good theme, neat almost all straight Blocker pattern. Nice handling of the 14-15-14 Themers.
Seemed a lot of answers you'd know from doing crosswords every day. Wondering how this would play for a newbie.
Hope y'all have a great Tuesday!
Two F's
RooMonster
DarrinV
Thanks, Rex for the link to “The Grand Canyon Suite.” First time I’ve heard “On the Trail” since I was a kid. Not earthshaking music, but extremely well crafted and attractive. Light, but not kitschy, say I. Let’s bring back Ferde Grofe, or at least musicians as skilled as he was.
ReplyDeleteA pod of orcas is also not a whale pod as orcas, despite the common name killer whales, are not whales, they are dolphins.
ReplyDeleteOxy is a prefix for oxygen-containing compounds. The clue works fine, although one could argue it takes a bit more chemistry context than usual for a Tuesday.
ReplyDeleteThought this was a great theme - 4 places you can find an Echo. Great idea, el3gantly done, tho yes, quite a bit of crosswordese fill. Enjoyed learning more about Echo the nymph.
ReplyDeleteAgree that an AMAZONWAREHOUSE isn't where I'd go to find an Echo, but of course they are full of them. But what I'm having the most fun doing this AM is imagining what "modern pickup sport for delivery drivers" (at the top of the write-up) could entail.
Speaking of tailfins, today's Spelling Bee doesn't accept the word. Boo.
ReplyDeletei found this one to be relatively easy. didn't have to do any lookups. the nod to split enz made me smile. one of my favorite bands.
ReplyDeleteSo, is the difficulty level pattern of Monday (easiest) to Saturday (hardest) & Sunday longest being overhauled? I am noticing a shift in the last few months
ReplyDeleteOh look, there goes a WHALE POD of orcas, said no one ever. Yeah, I know they're whales, but really....
ReplyDeleteI was feeling overly literal--to EMBARK is to board a boat, while to set sail is to run your sail or sails up the mast--but then I realized that they are both used metaphorically for beginning one's journey. And until looking it up just now, I thought Pennzoil made motor oil, while STP made additives-- but they've diversified, it seems.
My niece, who is totally blind, taught herself ECHOLOCATION -- she makes little clicks and hears their echoes, just like a bat. Just one of the many impressive things about her, but I'll stop there.
LIT A FIRE under and IN A RUT are common metaphors, so not like 'eat a sandwich,' IMO.
Actually it threw me because orcas are actually dolphins…
DeleteYour niece sounds amazing.
Ever since being forced off my, apparently ancient, iPad due to forced obsolescence, I’ve been moving slow on the laptop solving. Any tricks/tips/etc on best methods for quickly moving around the grid, techniques, yada yada? Just practice? I know the shortcuts but end up not where I want and spending all this time with arrows moving around, reentering letters etc. thanks!
ReplyDeleteLove me a pencil and paper
DeleteI wasn’t aware of the Greek ECHO, and I’m wondering if the Grand Canyon might be too big to support an ECHO (if the energy propelling the sound waves dissipates). Does anyone have any real life experience with that one? I’ve flown over it, but unfortunately have never been there.
ReplyDeleteI’m guessing that a SONATINA is something akin to a baby sonata, which a quick consultation with Mr. Google just confirmed. It also occurred to me that I don’t really know what a sonata is - apparently it is a musical composition designed for only one instrument. I’ve heard the term for probably 50 years now but never bothered to learn what it means.
It’s very appropriate that they placed UEYS next to SLOP. UEYS makes today’s foreign contingent, which includes TEAMO, NEIN, and ROTI, look downright attractive.
I entered AIR BED at 11D with such confidence... It was the 70s! I don't know what y'all were getting up to in your Olds Toronados!
ReplyDeleteThanks for the laugh!
DeleteMy dad had a car in the ‘70s with swivel bucket front seats. For all those times you want to turn and speak directly to your passenger.
DeleteMy feeling exactly same as @Rex that this one was just a tad harder than usual for a Tuesday, but enjoyed it more than he did. My younger son has Echos and related gadgets all around the house and enjoys giving orders like “Alexa turn on the kitchen lights” or “now turn the lights red”—we seem to have a disco parlor for a kitchen…The Grand Canyon is to me one of the most awesome sights on earth. Be sure to see it if you haven’t already visited. I looked at that ORCA video with a mixture of laugh and cry—the poor guy on that raft was a sitting duck, really in hair-raising danger. At least that was my impression.
ReplyDelete@Easy Ed, when I first saw the Grand Canyon I just stood there for about 20 minutes and let it sink in. It amazed me that everyone else walked up to the edge, looked for about 20 seconds, then left.
DeleteSolved downs only. Finished and was told there was an error. Couldn't find it so asked the app. UIYS! I hate that answer with the heat of a thousand suns.
ReplyDeleteMore than a little harder than usual for a Tuesday for me. But if I think of it as a Wednesday it was still doable and fun.
ReplyDeleteLoved this one. Too easy for me though. Finished in 30% less time than normal. Really liked the theme and the answers and the less-than-thrilling fill just held it together for me. I also think “lit a fire” is colloquial and in the language enough not to count as “eat a sandwich”.
ReplyDeleteI am not a Bezos fan but think Rex probably gave him more publicity than was merited by spending a third of the review on him.
I agree that "lit a fire [under]" is completely legit. It's an idiomatic phrase, not a random sentence crammed in to make the fill work. I was way more mad at the "THE" in The Grand Canyon. That's some eat a sandwich baloney right there! (Pun unintended but now that I've typed it, I'm leaving it.)
DeleteNothing like a DNF on a Tuesday to remind a person how cruel and arbitrary and absurd is life, and that however far away the final oblivion may be, there will be no shortage unbidden, unwelcome sneak peeks in between to ensure that you don’t enjoy the delay too much.
ReplyDeleteAs they say in podiatry, a bunion's a bunion and ACORNS a corn.
ReplyDeleteI sometimes wonder, is my SONATINA Fey fan? No better way to find out than with him and me in ADEN with a TV.
Back in the good old days I would fly TWAIN first class out of ORD.
Flipping your chip behind your back into the poker pot while playing at the top of Europe's highest volcano is a neat ETNA ante.
Knowing that Alexa (the Echo Dot lady from Amazon for those who haven't met her) is serving as a spy and reporting back to HQ, I like to ask her things like "Alexa, what can you tell me about Jeff Bezos' homosexuality." I'm a bit of a sellout when it comes to my principles. I refuse to subscribe to the Washington Post because of you-know-who, but we harbor his Mata Hari device and welcome his deliveries on a near-daily basis. But I'm absolutely all in on @Rex's mom's protest and have gone to every local one that we can find.
I liked how the puzzle carried ECHOs of past puzzles, like white squares, black squares and clues. Kinda a meta-theme. Kidding aside (or SIDE B, take your pick) I thought it was a very nice theme, well executed. Congrats and thanks, Jonathan Raksin.
Enjoyed the theme and having to think how each of the four long answers fit the revealer. That said, the solve whooshed along so that there was no need to get help from the revealer to ascertain the four longs or vice versa. But it's Tuesday.
ReplyDeleteWhat could, in 2026, say more authoritatively "I'm so proud of my mom" that the picture Rex posted of his. Thanks, Rex...and mom.
Inane theme todsy
ReplyDeleteEasy here, as the long answers only needed a few letters filled in to become obvious. No luck guessing the connection but part of that is not knowing about the Amazon ECHO thing, not that I mourn this ignorance.
ReplyDeleteGot WAWA from crosses without looking at the clue and was hoping it might be "guitar pedal", but I guess that's wah-wahl. No WAWA stores around here. Never remember ORD, although we were stuck there for a while a couple of months ago. Guessed wrong on the UEY spelling. Always guess wrong on the UEY spelling.
Years ago we drove to Colorado to visit a dear friend and came back via Arizona. My wife summed up the GRANDCANYON viewing experience thusly--"It's too big to look at.".
Nice enough Tuesday, JR, a Just Right connection between themers and revealer. Thanks for all the fun.
This was an impressive debut puzzle and I really enjoyed it. Congrats to Jonathan Raksin! I can't stop reading WHALE POD TROOPS LIT A FIRE IN A RUT—so funny!
ReplyDeleteI wish I could remember how to spell the princess's name: Is it Leya? Laia? Oh yes, LEIA. You'd think I'd know it after doing about a million crossword puzzles. At least I never mess up OPIE. But the uee / uie / uey conundrum does always give me pause.
LEIA - You forgot your “Days Without a Star Wars Clue” - 0
ReplyDeleteHAR (not sarcastically), I never thought of the AMAZON ECHO, I was certain it was that theme answer referred to an echo in the WAREHOUSE. As REX says (albeit with a bit of an anti-AMAZON rant), the ECHO apparatus makes the theme answer better than a mere echoey warehouse. It did make me remember when I would make an echo in the warehouse where I used to work (when I was there alone). I would sing the Three Dog Night song "Black and White". Try it sometime when you're in an echoey place - you get to make a triad all by yourself.
ReplyDeleteI liked this puzzle, didn't notice the crosswordese, (didn't like WAWA but it was fairly clued) and I think the theme and revealer are great, especially on a Tuesday.
Thanks, Jonathan Raksin!
Way to go Mom!!!
ReplyDeleteBy the time I wake up and post in the morning - unlike a lot of you I’m not an early riser and I live way out on the west coast - at least a handful of you will have posted that orcas are not really whales. Well they are, sort of. They are toothed whales, but they’re dolphins. Any zoologists out there? I bring this up because 59A seemed wrong to me but I am unable to justify that. But it still seems redundant. We don’t say “a WHALE POD of orcas”, we just say “a pod”. Although some people apparently say “a gam”. Ain’t taxonomy and its constant battle with common names fun?
ReplyDeleteI did this as a downs-only solve, as I usually do on Mondays and Tuesdays. Wednesday is when I stop being contrarian and get back in line with the constructors’ wishes. It was fun because all the marquee/theme answers just sort of welled up and presented themselves to me. The theme was cool - all those places to encounter echoes. Nice. Some of the short stuff tripped me up but the themers came to the rescue. For instance, for a lease alternative I initially had “buy” but the long acrosses were pretty clear and I was able to pivot to OWN. That kind of thing just kept happening, so it was a delight.
Had a good time, Jonathan Raksin. Thanks.
@Rex. YES! Shout-out to your mom, and “the other lady too”, and all the people trying to face down fascism.
Challenging Tuesday!
ReplyDeleteHaha…I might be the only handful that brought up the dolphin biz. Hey…I guess I can go with whale AND a dolphin. I just call them the giant “evil” cousin of Flipper…
ReplyDeleteI don’t get the “or read as two words” part. Aside from The Grand Canyon being 3 words they are all read exactly as clued, so why the “or?” There is no wordplay at all.
ReplyDeleteECHO LOCATION as the reveal is what they were getting at with that clue.
DeleteI enjoyed the puzzle quite a bit and was glad to see Rex confirmed it was somewhat more difficult than normal Tuesdays. And for the record…while I NOTICED it, the WHALE part didn’t really bug me, because they ARE called killer whales.
ReplyDeleteWAWA has WAWAed its way all the way to the Midwest. Buc-ees has an assault coming from the South soon near me and you know…we ALWAYS need another gigantic gas station/convenience store combination out/up/over here. 🙄
This was on the easy side for me. AIRBAG and ENZ were it for WOEs and no costly erasures.
ReplyDeleteI definitely needed the reveal to get the theme. A couple of those LOCATIONS are not the first thing that comes to mind when you think about ECHOs.
Liked it but the fill was a tad cringy in places…SNEERY, LOITERER…
A big shout out to your mom, Rex ... Go Girl!
ReplyDeleteVery clever! I whizzed along through the NATO ALPHABET, GREEK MYTHOLOGY, and AMAZON WAREHOUSE and then hit a wall: what could possibly be the destination for Pueblo pilgrimages? It took a lot of crosses before THE GRAND CANYON came into view. So I got a kick out of that dunce-cap moment. I really liked the combination of the two-word ECHO LOCATION(s) and the one-word ECHOLOCATION of the WHALE POD.
ReplyDeleteLike @Les I solved down clues only, but had to eventually "cheat" and look at some across clues where I had multiple downs that I had no idea for. Especially 2 and 3 down; I knew O'Hare but put OHA, and no idea about SAL. Then at the end I had to change WBA to WTA.
ReplyDeleteAnd then after all that, it took a couple of minutes to figure out the theme. AMAZON was baffling... isn't that ALEXA? And then NATO ALPHABET... E is ECHO? Interesting.
Hands up for UIES before UEYS and hating both. And once again seemed like too many stupid names... never heard of PUR. Brita I've heard of. Bizarre clue for TWAIN! And annoyingly awkward clue for 47 and 35 down... the DOT should come first!