Thursday, November 13, 2025

Nonhuman source of spam / THU 11-13-25 / Actor J.B. of "Curb Your Enthusiasm" / Sound from Peppa of kids' TV / What something a magician holds might disappear into / Flavor of Frangelico liqueur / Props for one's performance / Milky Way maker ... or Milky Way object

Constructor: Kyle Perkins

Relative difficulty: Easy-Medium


THEME: The WHEELS on the, let's say, bus (49D: What this puzzle's sets of shaded squares resemble) — four answers loop back on themselves following a path that vaguely resembles a "wheel," further, these same answers contain a word that indicates circularity (wheel-ness) in some way:

Theme answers (red letters appear in the shaded squares):
  • SHOOTS SOME HOOPS (18A: Practices on the court)
  • ROLLS ONE'S EYES (29A: Shows exasperation, in a way)
  • THROW FOR A LOOP (48A: Bewilder)
  • ROUND OF APPLAUSE (59A: Props for one's performance)
Word of the Day: DENEB (25D: Brightest star in Cygnus) —

Deneb (/ˈdɛnɛb/) is a blue supergiant star in the constellation of Cygnus. It is the brightest star in the constellation and the 19th brightest in the night sky, with an apparent magnitude slightly varying between +1.21 and +1.29. Deneb is one of the vertices of the asterism known as the Summer Triangle and the "head" of the Northern Cross. Its Bayer designation is α Cygni, which is Latinised to Alpha Cygni, abbreviated to Alpha Cyg or α Cyg.

Deneb rivals Rigel, a closer blue supergiant, as the most luminous first-magnitude star. However, its distance, and hence luminosity, is poorly known; its luminosity is estimated to be between 55,000 and 196,000 times that of the Sun. Distance estimates range from 1,400 to 2,600 light-years; assuming its highest value, it is the farthest star with an apparent magnitude brighter than 2.50. (wikipedia)

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I've seen theme answers loop back on themselves like this before, so the trick didn't trick me much, but I was curious to see what the premise of it all was going to be and how the theme was going to be executed. Got the ROLLS part early...


... and wondered if all the shaded circles were going to "roll" or if some other words might be involved. Also wondered what the hook was going to be. Which is to say, I had questions / concerns about the execution of the theme. But at this point, after the first themer, I had reasonably high hopes. I was, you might say, a HOPER (you and I both know you would never say this, but let's table that for now). Sadly, my hopes were dashed pretty quickly, as soon as I got to the next themer: SHOOTS SOME HOOPS. This was the point at which you might say ... the wheels came off. To understand why my hopes were in pieces, go look again at ROLLS ONE'S EYES. See how the relevant word, "ROLLS," is contained entirely inside the shaded-square wheel. The "wheel" is made entirely of wheel-word (i.e. the letters in "rolls"). It's very neat, but also, I would argue, necessarily neat. It's what you expect with a theme that pairs wheel motion with wheel-related word—if those shaded squares "resemble" WHEELS, then those shaded squares should also contain the word that is wheel-related. ROLLS ONE'S EYES did this perfectly. SHOOTS SOME HOOPS!?!?!!? I honestly stopped to wonder (aloud?) how SOMEH was a circular thing. What, about that letter string, indicates rolling? I wasn't even thinking about the fact that HOOPS are circular because there's far more of "SOME" inside that "wheel" than there is of HOOPS. Your "wheel" should not be filled with SOME. That's not road-worthy. Your "wheel" should be filled (filled, I say) with HOOPS. Putting most of "SOME" in the "wheel," oof, absolutely not. Awkward as heck. 


And the next two themers did the same dance—ROUND OF APPLAUSE, mwah, perfect. "Wheel" filled entirely with the letters from the wheel-word, "ROUND." And then THROW FOR A LOOP, where the "wheel" is filled with ... ORAL. It's an ORAL wheel. This is your fourth tire, basically:


Further, the revealer does nothing. There's no wordplay, no cleverness. Just a mere one-word description. If you're going to bother with a revealer, it should pop. It should give the solver a feeling of "oh, nice turn of phrase. That is a good concept to build a theme around." WHEELS just ... sits there. Asymmetrically. Pointing. "WHEELS ... eh!? eh!? Get it?" Got it.


Back to HOPER now (sigh) (52D: Optimist). The fill in this puzzle had real promise up front, with SEA LIONS and HAZELNUT doing a great job of giving extra zing to a pretty thematically dense grid. You don't expect to find ADORABLE GROTTOES in a grid where the theme is so dominant, but this puzzle manages to come up with some non-thematic flair. To be clear, "four theme answers plus a short revealer" does not sound particularly taxing, as themes go, but the wheel parts—the parts that elevate above the plane of the answer—make the puzzle much much harder to fill cleanly. They greatly reduce your leeway as a constructor. So driving a pair of fine longer answers through not one but two of the "wheels" was somewhat impressive to me. And yet ... ADORABLE GROTTOES may look good going down, but if you look at that "ORAL" "wheel" from an Across perspective, oof. LDRS!?!?! (43A: Those in charge: Abbr.). No one has used LDR singular in a puzzle since 2011. But plural? Yeesh. That answer has been used a small handful of times, but this is the first time it's ever appeared on any day but Sunday (Sundays being giant grids that you expect to get a little desperate around the edges). I could allow for one terrible abbr., but unfortunately the fill stays pretty bad down below. HOPER, blargh. Single KUDO, jocularly or not, blargh. ERAT, always blargh. DCUP PEE ADFREE ... the fill down below is wobbly in a way the fill up top (mostly) isn't. Maybe it's because there's this additional theme answer stuck down here—the sadly matter-of-fact WHEELS—that the fill is struggling to thrive. I dunno. I just know that between the anti-climax of WHEELS and the increasingly weak fill, this puzzle started much better than it ended.


Bullets:
  • 42A: Make it (TAG) — in the game of tag, when you tag someone, you make them "It." "TAG, you're it!"
  • 62A: Nonhuman source of spam (BOT) — Me: "Wait ... so you're saying Spam is usually made of .... humans?" The difference between a capital and lowercase letter has never been more colossal. Once you learn that humans are the source of Spam, it's hard to imagine what the nonhuman source might be. Could be anything. "I'm sorry—you're telling me Spam is made of people!?" "Not always. Sometimes we use RAT." "Ah. I see..." [obviously the puzzle was going for a different kind of spam]
  • 69A: Subject discussed in—and also hidden in the name of —the 2019 documentary "Third Eye Spies" (ESP) — an elaborate clue that I might have liked ... if SPY hadn't already been in the grid (44D: One with secrets). "Spies" in a clue when there is SPY already in the grid (and nearby)? Boo. Jarring dupe.
  • 11D: Actor J.B. of "Curb Your Enthusiasm" (SMOOVE) — this was a gimme, though I'm not entirely sure why, as I have never watched a full episode of "Curb," to my knowledge. I just feel like once you know that a dude named J.B. SMOOVE exists, you don't forget that.


  • 27D: Eerie forest sound (HOOT) — had the "HO-" and wrote in HOWL!
  • 55D: Word aptly filling the blanks of this verb: SE___A_E (PART) — I don't normally love clues like this, but for whatever reason (maybe because by this point I was really looking for a bright side), I smiled at this one. I'm not sure how "apt" it is that a word just happens to contain the letters of its own synonym (esp. non-consecutively), but whatever, I still smiled.
  • 28A: November honoree, informally (VET) — I wanted MOM. OK, I didn't actually want MOM, but MOM is informal, and it does fit, and (most importantly) it is my MOM's birthday today. Happy birthday, mom. 
Signed, Rex Parker, King of CrossWorld

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125 comments:


  1. Happy Birthday, Mrs. Sharp!!

    Easy-Medium. I had a little trouble in the SW but I gave myself a ROUND OF APPLAUSE (59A) and got it.

    Overwrites:
    2D: SEAL pupS before SEA LIONS
    I don't know about you, but at a 5D spa I say AaH, not AHH
    Had to wait for crosses at 9D because UHS could have been erS or UmS
    My 19D caddies carried TEeS before they carried TEAS
    At 43A I had ceoS in charge before LDRS

    One WOE:
    Can't recall ever hearing the name J.B. SMOOVE (11D)

    Question: My kids are too old for Peppa Pig. Does she actually say OINK (56A)?

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  2. Simplistic but fun to grok and oddly well filled. Got it early with SHOOTS SOME HOOPS. I don’t like the shaded squares. Revealer is an afterthought.

    Burrito Brothers

    THIN AIR, GROTTOES, GOES APE are all solid - most of the fill is clean and interesting. HOPER and KUDO are outliers. The D CUPs - those are the big ones.

    Hoodoo Gurus

    An enjoyable Thursday morning solve.

    If the thunder don't get you then the lightning will

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  3. Anonymous6:10 AM

    A little inside joke on the two-cent clue: that's about what the NYT pays for an op-ed. Although they have moved from the high two figures to the mid three.

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    1. Anonymous5:52 PM

      Calvin Trillin always said that The Nation magazine paid its authors "in the high double digits." More 2cents.

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  4. Anonymous6:16 AM

    The plural of LEGO is LEGO or LEGO BRICKS, not LEGOS.

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    1. Anonymous6:49 AM

      this also bugged me, as a Lego pedant

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    2. Having several grandchildren who love playing with LEGOS, I can attest that the plural is used all the time.

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    3. Maybe according to the company, but language is in the mouths of the people and the company cannot control that. "Ouch!" "What's the matter?" "I stepped on some LEGO" said nobody ever.

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    4. Anonymous7:51 AM

      Had to pop my eyeballs back into their sockets after they rolled so hard. "LEGO bricks" said no kid ever. It will always be LEGOs.

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    5. Anonymous8:47 AM

      The Lego Group has dozens of excellent lawyers defending their trademark already. Why are you doing their job for free? Do you get indignant when someone refers to a cotton swab as a Q-Tip? What’s wrong with you?

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    6. Anonymous9:37 AM

      Seth Meyers had a running bit about the plural of Lego in his Corrections segment on YouTube in which he responds to the pedants who right into point out incorrect language and the like.

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    7. Anonymous10:49 AM

      No parent has ever yelled anything other than “clean up your Legos NOW!”

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    8. "Legos" is extremely jarring to anyone outside of the US

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    9. Jeremy1:46 PM

      LEGOS seems fair game for the puzzle, since it is typical American usage. Growing up in Canada, though, my mom would certainly have asked me to "clean up my Lego" and she wouldn't have meant I should pick up just one piece. I've always considered LEGOS to be a distinctly American term, but I'm not sure if the language has changed here in subsequent decades.

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    10. Anonymous3:22 PM

      But if you are a grown up and as "lego pedant" you deserve to be annoyed occasionally in return.

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    11. Anonymous4:33 PM

      As a native English (but not American English) speaker, LEGOS was tough. Yes, Americans say it, so it’s fair game, but it sounds like nails on a blackboard to my ears.

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    12. Anonymous3:11 AM

      But the plural is more precise and hence preferable. “Pick up your Legos” means “Pick up your Lego pieces” (all of them, btw!) “Pick up your Lego” could mean “Pick up your Lego pieces” or “your Lego dinosaur” OR “your Lego whatever”. Legos is a noun whereas Lego could be either a noun or an adjective.

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    13. Anonymous10:29 PM

      Good grief, can we just Lego of this already?

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  5. Mars is in the Milky Way? Sometimes maybe, but it's certainly not part of it.

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    1. I’m not sure what you are getting at. Our whole solar system is part of the Milky Way. What am I missing?

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    2. The sun and all its planets - including Mars - are indeed part of the galaxy we call the Milky Way. The Milky Way can be used as a term for just the dense band of stars in the night sky, but it is also used as a term for our galaxy and all it contains.

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    3. Andy Freude7:37 AM

      Yep, that bugged me too.

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    4. Anonymous7:37 AM

      Well, what is the Milky Way but the collection of its billions of constituent parts or which our solar system and its constituents parts - including Mars - are a part?

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    5. Anonymous7:54 AM

      Actually our entire solar system is in the Milky Way, in the Orion Arm. What we see in the night sky is just a portion of it.

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    6. Anonymous8:24 AM

      Thank you dgresh. Someone had to say it.

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    7. Anonymous10:23 AM

      My position is LEGO is technically correct (the best kind of correct) but LEGOS is common use, at least in the US?

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    8. Anonymous11:07 AM

      Well then, if we aren’t talking about the visual phenomenon, the band of stars, then EVERYTHING we ever see, except for the Magellanic Clouds and the Andromeda Galaxy, is in the Milky Way, including, uh, the St. Louis Gateway Arch and penguins. (I coulda named more things.)

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    9. ChrisS4:22 PM

      My personal understanding is that the Milky Way is the name of the celestial phenomenon visible in the sky of the northern hemisphere. Originally named by the Greeks as it looks like spilt milk. Subsequently scientists determined it was not milk, but rather stars and later scientists learned it was the visible part of our galaxy and then so named our galaxy the Milky Way. So one phrase, two meanings one Including Mars (the planet and company) and one that doesn't.

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  6. Anonymous6:28 AM

    Great fun! Can't a crossword simply be fun now and again?

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  7. Bob Mills6:47 AM

    Caught on to the trick with ROLLSONESEYES, but didn't see SOME in the middle of SHOOT----HOOPS. But the music sounded anyway because the crosses were right. It's sometimes better to be lucky than smart.

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  8. I found this Monday-easy up top and very hard down below. It was like two puzzles, with the lower half being made up of vague opaque clues. I didn’t know DENEB and LDRS as an abbreviation for leaders is really a stretch. I got the theme early on but sussing out the two southern themers was tough because of the fill around them. And HOPER is just awful.

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    1. Anonymous8:27 AM

      Same experience for me!

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    2. Anonymous10:24 AM

      Yes!!! Ripped through the top part and stumbled in the bottom. The app said I was a minute faster than my Thursday average but it sure didn't feel like that staring at a mostly empty bottom half!

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  9. Loved the theme. Rex's objection doesn't fly for me. The letters in the first themer he found are rOLLSOneseyes, so OLLSO. And in his #3, rOUNDOfappplause, so OUNDO. None of the 'wheels' are made up of the wheel word alone.

    One of those days when I wonder if the NYTXW editors actually know what the word 'aptly' means (see 55D).

    Had to stare at SMOOVE for a long time before deciding to accept it.

    Plural LEGOS and singular KUDO. Yuck.

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    1. Came here to say the exact same thing about loving the theme and not supporting Rex's objection. Sometimes, I think we lose sight of what makes crosswords fun in favor of technical perfection. It would have been great in theory to be able to see the "round" words in the shaded square "wheels", but I can only imagine how much that would have gunked up the grid further (and likely net distracted from the solver experience).

      I'm with Rex on the revealer being absolutely unneeded and that killing it for smoother fill being a good trade. It would be an even better trade if the NYT added titles for themed puzzles so it could have been brought together by something like Talkin' Bout a Revolution without straining the grid.

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    2. At least KUDO and LEGOS balance out, maintaining the law of the conservation of esses.

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    3. Anonymous11:10 AM

      Agree. None of them really work for what Rex is wishing the puzzle was doing, by dint of reusing those Os.
      Which means the wheels start and end with Os, which are, of course, little wheels. So his criticism strikes as more criticizing the puzzle you wish it was, rather than what it is.

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  10. The theme seemed like a good idea. I agree with Rex that the reveal missed the mark a little bit. By the time you get to it, most people will have already discerned the theme, so no aha there (probably more like a shrug). Not a tragic flaw, but somewhat inelegant.

    I would have skipped DENEB and SMOOVE - although I’ll go out on a limb and guess that the actor is reasonably well known. I’m guessing DENEB is not going to be front of mind for many people.

    I noticed that Will allowed LEGOS, which doesn’t really bother me since the NYT plays fast and loose with trivial things like accuracy and I’ve gotten used to it. It will be interesting to see if the LEGO-pedants come out in any significant numbers today.

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    1. Anonymous1:05 PM

      Never heard of Smoove, Deneb was a gimme!

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  11. Anonymous7:33 AM

    The topic has become tiresome, but it is exasperating that editors allowed LEGOS to get by. Really?

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  12. Clues like the one for PART at 55D sometimes appear in the Sunday NYT Puns & Anagrams puzzles. I love them. I tried to make one and couldn't do it. Lewis probably can.

    I really liked this one despite the clunkers.

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  13. If anyone has anything untoward to say about this delightful puzzle, I will mentally 48A (THROW FOOP) at them!

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    1. Anonymous8:20 AM

      Disliked it intensely,so there…
      Didn’t bother to finish,just never got the hang of it
      Lost interest…
      Oink.

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    2. @Lewis, that's my objection, if you will. It doesn't look good to end up with RONESEYES and THROWFOOP, etc. Guess I better duck. Rabbit.

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    3. EasyEd10:28 AM

      Yes! Throwing FOOP! Like a good food fight at grammar school lunch!

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    4. Anonymous10:51 AM

      Yes indeed. Very cute and enjoyable puzzle

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  14. Anonymous7:41 AM

    When do caddies carry teas? I feel like I’m missing something.

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    1. Ah, they got you with the misdirection. A TEA caddy is a box (or other receptacle) to store tea in.

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    2. Anonymous8:31 AM

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_caddy?wprov=sfti1

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    3. @Anon 7:41

      Tea caddy

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    4. Serious golfers often like to take a break during play and enjoy a small muffin or scone with some tea. So their caddies carry a selection of teas and pastries in the cart.

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    5. And if you go to a cricket match you’d likely see a TEA caddy in use during the officially mandated Tea Break which in official play occurs after about 30 rounds past the official lunch break. I think. I worked in the UK off and on over a decade and had a client and an environmental expert who swore they could get me as addicted to cricket as I am to baseball. Didn’t happen, but I am addicted to real British tea, scones, their gorgeous jams and glorious gobs of clotted cream! I’ll sit through 90 rounds of cricket for real tea and scones any day.

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  15. Trinch7:52 AM

    I got tripped up with 44 down. I figured that it could not be SPY since 69 across had “spies” in the clue. Guess the rule doesn’t count if it’s plural.
    Also, not to nitpick, but there is no such thing as a Nobel prize in economics. There is the Sveriges Riksbank Prize in Economic Sciences in Memory of Alfred Nobel. However, despite incorrectly being called a Nobel Prize, it is not.
    Ok fine. Definitely nitpicking. But I stand by my facts.

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    1. Love this (on Economics)! Thank you. Had no idea.

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    2. Hey @Trinch 7:52AM, thanks for sharing this. Hopefully the editors will take note. An economist I worked with over a five year law suit (the evidence of which involved five countries) corrected me about there being no Nobel for ECON. I quipped about him deserving a Nobel Prize for his ability to explain the complex stuff in terms regular people like me could understand and he said “No I don’t; there isn’t one”, and told me about the Sveriges Riksbank. Although I couldn’t have remembered the actual name of the “non-Nobel for ECON” with a gun to my head today, I didn’t like having to enter the wrong answer.

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  16. Catholic grade school, high school, and college, and I didn't know that the ashes used on Ash Wednesday traditionally come from burning left over palms from the previous Palm Sunday. And I paid attention.

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    1. Anonymous8:15 AM

      Same background, and I only knew because my wife filled in as church secretary one year and learned of it. Cool starting clue/answer

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    2. Anonymous8:29 AM

      Did you really pay attention? That's very common knowledge for Catholics....

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    3. I didn't know it and I attended Catholic parochial school for 8 years. We took our palms home and stuck them over our mirrors. Perhaps there were palms that weren't distributed and those became the ashes. If so, I have no idea when and where they were incinerated.

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    4. Alice Pollard1:24 PM

      Catholic here, that was a gimme, common Catholic knowledge

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    5. Anonymous4:26 PM

      I’m not Catholic, I didn’t “know”, but I figured it out. The answer made sense. What’s in your wheelhouse is useful, of course, but figuring out an answer is fun!

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    6. Probably chiming in too late for anyone to read this. Alas! Retired minister here. It became very fashionable among Protestants the last twenty years or so to save palms from the previous year and burn them for Ash Wednesday ashes the next. The problem? They're a b**** to burn. A few years ago I resolved to make it happen. I cooked them on the grill, baked them in the oven, whirred them in the blender, all of it resulting in nothing but a nasty bunch of short sticks. Three hours in, I looked over and spied on my counter the cocoa powder I had recently used to make an Oscar party cake (which is another story in its own right). It was a special ultra-processed Dutch black cocoa, and I mean black. I thought to myself "Could I? Should I... I must!" That year and for the last five or so years of my ministry we all received black cocoa powder crosses on our foreheads on Ash Wednesday. And loved the chocolatey good irreverence of it all.

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  17. For once, I didn’t mind that the puzzle had little circles in it (in AcrossLite at least). Usually not a fan. But Curb? Love it!

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  18. This is a hard theme to pull off, as the gray squares, which have to be filled in with specific letters, greatly restrict the words that can go into the grid’s white squares (Hi, @Rex!). Also, the horizontal theme answers have to be of certain lengths to meet symmetry, and coming up with this set had to be a bear.

    Despite these roadblocks, this grid is sprinkled with beauty: MUESLI, ROUND OF APPLAUSE, PESTER, SPONGES (as clued), PULL FOR, GROTTOEES, THROW FOR A LOOP, and OH C’MON. Those last two, by the way, are NYT answer debuts.

    Pulling this all off on a debut is most impressive, not to mention doing so while jockeying a job and three small kids. Wow!

    I’ve seen going-in-circles puzzles like this before, but it’s been a hot minute, and they’re a HOOT to fill in. I love the specific type riddling they kindle, where you have to think like you do in a rebus puzzle, squeeze extra answers into an answer.

    My TIL: Getting the answer to whether SPONGES (the living kind) are plants or animals.

    Congratulations on your debut, Kyle, and I’m eager to see more from you. Thank you!

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    1. Anonymous8:50 AM

      "GROTTOEES": people who hang out in a grotto.

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  19. Anonymous8:14 AM

    Not a golf caddy (person), but a tea caddy (box for tea)

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  20. Super-easy. This thing was over before I knew it. But I enjoyed it for its playfulness.

    Sometimes r frlss LDR likes to have the gimmick straddle words in the theme answers, and sometimes he doesn't. Today he doesn't. But it feels unduly nitpicky to me. (Or is it that it has to be one or the other, take your pick and stick with it! ?) Me? I thought it was enough getting the circular words in on the action. Asking for more sounds like a big ask.

    In his notes on J.B. SMOOVE (who is fantastic as Leon in Curb; Smoove was a super-fan of the show before he landed the role), Rex admits he's never watched a full episode. Really? I find it hard to understand how you just walk away in the middle of an episode of this brilliant series, but I guess its special sort of cringe humor is not for everyone.

    Agree with him that HOPER is a stinker.

    I was sure RP was going to work in a Soylent Green reference in his note on BOT, but he stopped just SHORT.

    I'll leave you with this fun and educational little APPlet, Scales of the Universe. Zoom in to see smaller and smaller scales, all the way down to the Planck length. Zoom out to see larger and larger scales; you'll sail past MARS and DENEB along the way, and out past the reaches of the Milky Way, all the way to the scope of the observable universe. Studded with fascinating factoids along the way.

    Have a good one!

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    1. Anonymous9:13 AM

      I was also predicting (though no one would ever have called me a HOPER) that Rex would mention/quote "Soylent Green is people", he being such a movie buff.

      Pretty sure that was Edgar G. Robertson's last role.

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  21. Candy company not astronomy.

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  22. Hey All !
    Pretty neat Theme. I liked the "WHEELS", regardless if the actual words were in the WHEELS or not. Kyle couldn't get the actual word in, because the letters wouldn't line up. Example: You'd end up with THROWFOR(start circling)ALO(run into the R of FOR), and you can't finish with the OP. It was just fortuitous that two of the WHEELS lined up.

    The fill was great, considering all the Theme material to work around. Even almost the Pangram, just missing the Q and X.

    Backwoods target practice with a can of Campbell's? SHOOTS SOOPS
    Scottish rainwater gutter besot with googly accessories? - RONES EYES (as @Gary would say, ~)
    Non-offensive way to say crapshoot? - THROW FOOP
    Way hard laughing whilst clapping? - ROF APPLAUSE

    Yea, those aren't the best! 😁

    Good puz, quicker solve, neat idea. Liked!

    Have a great Thursday!

    Three F's
    RooMonster
    DarrinV

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  23. When three of the four shaded letter sets spelled; HOME, ORAL and UNDO, I was certain this was going to have some significance. My mistake.

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  24. I’ve noticed recently that Rex works the puzzle in a very different way than I do…that is he will (usually) start at NW, then kind of shimmy down toward middle. Difference? I tend to go in NW to NE “blocks” (rectangles?) and decided that SHOOTShOOPS was good and I saw (perhaps) HOME in the circled letters. Hmmm. Anyway, the wheel idea didn’t become apparent until I knew it just HAD to be ROLLONESEYES. Result: fun Thursday puzzle! I can look over the DCUP (next will be double DCUP) and HOPER.

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    1. Anonymous10:26 AM

      I think that this was a puzzle that if one sped through the down clues (without checking the acrosses) then one might breeze through quicker?

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  25. Today is a singular vs plural pedants dream: LEGO is plural, and KUDOS is singular (surprised I’m the first to mention this one).

    Just when I’m ready to quit reading RP today for being overly pedantic (IMHO) about wanting round letters to be in the loop, he goes and puts up the “oral wheel” pic. Brilliant!!!!!!

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    1. "surprised I’m the first to mention this one" <-- Be surprised no longer, because you weren't. @kitshef beat you to it (7:26AM).

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    2. Sorry, make that 7:18AM.

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  26. About 15 minutes for me thoday. Enjoyed it a lot more than @REX did... I did notice the inelegance of the varied wheel-ness of the thematic wheels. But not too much. Loved those terrific long downs. Stared at "Shootshoops" for a long long time trying to figure out what was wrong... finally saw it on the 1st themer, with the eye ROLL and then I was sailing smooth! Thanks for an interesting Thursday ; )

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  27. Now be honest, would you rather SHOOTSOOPS or THROWFOOP?

    Pot farmer's adage: Be high on the Fourth of July.

    Seals with a net electrical charge are SEALIONS. At least according to the very complicated methodology developed by my friend Mac and embodied in Mac's Swell Equations.

    I'm sure you remember the hilarious, yet moving, movie where the poor but aspiring young Danny Noonan works carrying TEA for rich white guys. Of course I'm talking about Caddy Shack. One memorable quote that resonates today from Judge Smalls (Ted Knight): "I've Sentenced Boys Younger Than You To The Gas Chamber. Didn't Wanna Do It, But Felt I Owed It To Them." Or maybe I'm thinking of Get SHORTY.

    I enjoyed this puzzle a lot. I think @Rex twists himself into a pretzel trying to pretend that OLLS and OUND are perfect and the other two aren't. Congrats on a loopy but fun debut, Kyle Perkins.

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  28. Went down the left coast, missed the ROLLSONESEYES thing, but caught on with ROUNDOFAPPLAUSE . When done i saw that the other themers were more or less connected to the WHEELS theme which was close enough for me, but I'm easy. I wondered inf SHOOTSOMEHOOPS was going to be enough in the language to be familiar, but no one is complaining so I guess so.

    I think I have finally learned NES but the AAH vs, AHH conundrum is still there. Totally agree with OFL on HOPER, and I think I have seen Mr. SMOOVE before, but the name always sounds to me like a toddler trying to say "smooth".

    Note to "LEGO" is plural purists--the singular of "tamales" is "tamal", which I used to complain about, but I have given up, and now I sleep better.

    I found your debut to be pretty clever, KP, and you can Keep Putting puzzles like these in the rotation. Thanks for all the fun.

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    1. Yes, and they'll think you're weird if you ask for a biscotto.

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    2. @jberg 10:33 am, and Spelling Bee doesn't accept PANINO.

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  29. DENEB / NES was a Natick for me and kept me from getting the happy music. Otherwise, I like this kind of puzzle but did wish the "wheels" were all words relating to wheels. HOPERS and KUDO were both pretty bad.

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  30. Not easy/medium for me. I thought the clues were way off. The clue for TAG, thank you Rex for explaining because it went over my head but now it seems pretty good and also something I've seen before and should have gotten. Can someone give me that same feeling of "Oh, okay, that's cool" for the JET LAG clue? "Time off, perhaps" does not mean JET LAG to me. Yes, you might feel off, and you are off the plane but...what am I not getting?

    I thought Moses only smashed his tablets when Mel Brooks dropped the third tablet in "History of the World Part I". I guess it's been a while since I read any bible stories.

    I had a chuckle when I realized that the clue for 7D wasn't smooches. I wasted a few nanoseconds on trying to find another snog word that started with SP.

    I like the rolling wheels part of this puzzle but the rest I can't VET totally. But thanks, Kyle Perkins, for a bit of a Thursday challenge.

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    1. Charlie S11:05 AM

      Same here on the TAG clue! After solving I looked up all the definitions of TAG and still couldn't make sense of it. But now that I get it I think it's a fun clue

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    2. After some time thinking about it, I get it. When you have JET LAG, your body time is "off". That is a good clue but one I found inscrutable for too long!

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  31. I too spent a lot of time looking at OMEH, but once I figured out that the gimmick was just 'round thing touching a wheel of shaded squares' it didn't bother me as much as it did Rex. OK, might have been impossible to upgrade it further. I'm not even trying.

    I bet I'm not the only one to have my caddies carrying TEeS, before the crosses made me realize they were tea caddies. The verb "carry" is a stretch, but certainly helps with the deception.

    My biggest problem, though was reading the clue for 58-A and figuring it was going to end with PrAiSE. Since so many crosses worked, I didn't want to take it out to ket KUDO. I had to have K-DO before I finally did, whereupon ROUND OF APPLAUSE was clear.

    I did like PEE and PEA waving at each other across the grid.

    Is MARS a Milky Way object? I'm not convinced--the Milky Way, like Cygnus and other constellations, is something that looks like something if seen from a certain angle. And by that criterion, one does not see MARS as being within it. MARS, like you or I, is certainly within our local galaxy, but that's another matter. But again, it's a clue, and it got me there, so OK.

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  32. Anonymous10:30 AM

    My issue is that unlike the other three themers shoots hoops works as a standalone answer.

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    1. Not really. 9D UHS forces 18A to be SHOOTS SOOPS. This is the point in my solve where I paused and started to figure out the theme.

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  33. EasyEd10:37 AM

    Loved this one. Despite Rex’s accurate technical critique. As usual took me forever but was fun figuring out the ROLLing phrases. I’m missing so much in life—hadn’t realized that the plural for LEGO(S) was so controversial!

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  34. I was coming here to ask how rook could possibly mean cheat, informally and as I'm typing now I think its referencing (c)rook? As in "A cheat" Which no one has ever said and there are other perfectly good clues for an answer of rook. The word informally in a clue is not license to just make things up.

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      You could just look up ROOK

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    2. ROOK as a verb means to defraud by cheating or swindling. It’s common usage where I come from to say someone “got rooked” in a shady business deal for example.

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    3. What @Whatsername said. But it got me curious as to the origins of this sense, and particularly whether it is related to the meaning of ROOK as a type of crow. The only confirmation I found was from Collins, which says "prob. from the bird's thievishness", but gives no sources for this belief.

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  35. This one had me stumped until I was almost finished. I was ready to admit defeat on the theme and just finish it up as best I could when I finally saw the WHEEL rolling in the northwest corner. I particularly like that each of the theme answers can actually roll - HOOPS, EYES, LOOP, and anything ROUND. I liked your puzzle, Kyle Perkins. Congratulations on a sparkling NYT debut. And I hope you are enjoying a beautiful fall in Madison. It’s one of the greatest college towns in the country IMO.

    Happy birthday Rex‘s Mom!

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  36. An okay Thursday. I mostly liked it. The theme answers were all lively enough. Mostly in the language, though there may be some criticism of the indefinite possessive pronoun ONE’S, as there so often is. I’ve never understood @Rex’s disdain for this word. But I have my own bugbears so I’ll not harp on his.

    I am embarrassed to admit that I got caught in the TEAS/TEeS trap at 19D as was sitting here sipping a cup of Orange Pekoe while I solved. I suppose it’s because, though I’ve heard the term tea caddy often in my life, I never really knew what it was. I always pictured a wheeled tray that held all the makings for a formal-ish presentation and you rolled it out for the duchess and her guests. (It is.) I just keep my various tea bags and leaves in vintage tin containers which I have discovered, in a post-solve look-up, are also called caddies. I even learned why they are called caddies - in the olden days tea was sold by the pound and because most of that tea came from China and the the Chinese equivalent of a pound was called a catty. So now I have to look up why those golf guys are called caddies.

    And now for a few nits and a bugbear. What’s humorous about 67D KUDO? And 43A LDRS? Really? And the bugbear (gotta love that word): HOPER. Why do costructors think it’s OK to just add an R or an ER to the end of a word like that? Who among us has ever referred to an optimist as a HOPER? Awkward.

    So tonight I learned something and had a bit of fun but if my 49D WHEELS looked like those shaded squares, I’d have my truck into the tire shop first thing in the morning. (Yes, I realize each of the answers references something round)

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  37. Anonymous11:02 AM

    Revealer was weak but otherwise a fun, properly challenging, and cute Thursday that I really enjoyed.

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  38. Just for the record, it tends to annoy me when people comment that only a few odd people would know this answer or that. I put in DENEB off the B, and ASH on no crosses. But never heard of SMOOVE. I manage to finish most of the puzzles. As do most of us probably, with our varied backgrounds. Because things fit together. Don't tell me I don't belong here.

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    1. I have my husband to thank for my being able to plop in DENEB. My personal favorite star though is in Libra: Zubenelgenubi.

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    2. @Greater Falls River . . . 11:10AM I have my husband to thank for being able to plop in DENEB. I taught him that if he would learn to at least tolerate camping. I explained that as starving musicians, we would have so many more wonderful opportunities to stargaze with little light pollution if we camped. He taught me the names of the constellations and their main stars. I keep hoping to see my favorite star from Libra in a crossword. You’ll know it; it’s in Libra. Zubenelgenubi.

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  39. Easy-medium. Making sense of some of the shaded squares took a bit of staring but I did catch the “theme” early with ROLL ONES EYES because I had most of the surrounding answers filled in.

    No WOEs and ceoS before LDRS and boaS before LEIS were it for costly erasures.

    Cringe - HOPER

    Like it, but I do share some of @Rex’s misgivings about the theme.

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  40. Anonymous11:21 AM

    Soylent is s Spam !?! (running, with Home Alone face)

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  41. Medium for me and fun to figure out. In the NE, my "hesitations" were UmS instead of UHS, enough of a stumbling block to drive me on to hopefully greener grid pastures - which I found just below in ROLL ONES EYES. Went back to get the HOOPS, and then had an easier time with the last two. Also fun to write in: SPONGES, PULL FOR, THIN AIR. I'll add a ROUND OF APPLAUSE for the HAZELNUT, which I find is sadly underappreciated in the U.S.

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  42. Rex is right that it would have been great if all the "wheels" were wheely. The theme was fine for a Thursday, but I got hung up on SHOOTS HOOPS crossing UHH and had to come back at the end to fix it.

    Never heard of Mr. SMOOVE but I'll try to remember him.

    For 23 across, I misread the clue as "Uh-huh", so I had SURE at first. For "Eerie forest sound" I had HUSH at first. For 65 across I had ICON before IDOL. So this took me a while to finish; pretty challenging for Thursday.

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    1. @okanaganer 12:34PM. In my own weird way, I think all the WHEELS were indeed both literally and unusually “wheely.” But that’s just me. See my full comment.

      Had the same mistake misreading uh-huh and entering sure. Man, if I had a nickel for every time I admonished a witness to “please say ‘yes or no’ instead of ‘uh-uh or uh-huh’” . . . Also wanted hush for HOOT.

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  43. (HO)OP, R(OLL), (LO)OP, R(OUND). No problems with the theme, IMO. First themer threw me for a loop. (Shoots hoops, but UHH can't be right....) Eventually caught on and went around the other WHEELS, filling in the letters. Fun ride and nice debut from Kyle Perkins. Thanks!

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  44. LDRS - worst abbreviation ever

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  45. Thought this was a great puzzle, so won't THROWFOOP at it. Agree that the SHOOTSOMEHOOPS was less 3legant than the others, but easily forgiven in my mind. Breezed through it until that part in the east with TAG, HOOT, and JETLAG. Just couldn't untangle the mess I made there, starting with how badly I wanted HUSH for my eerie forest sound. Felt perfect to me, nevermind HUSH not being a sound. Love that eerie hush you sometimes find in a forest, that sound of silence, where if you're quiet yourself you can hear the trees talk to each other. Otherwise thought this was a gem.

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    1. @thefenn 12:57PM: I flirted with the hush of a forest myself for a hot second. I still think it’s a better description of an eerie forest sound. I’ve spent lots and lots of time hiking in eerie forests. When a forest is “hushed,” it’s anything but silent. It’s the time when you only hear the tiny sounds.

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    2. @thfenn 12:57PM: I flirted the Hush of an eerie forest for a hot second myself. I’ve hiked through lots and lots of deep forests and it’s when they are hushed - not silent - that every spooky sound can make the hairs on the back of your neck stand up. That’s eerie.

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  46. I can’t be the only Rush fan here, can I? DENEB was a ground ball for me. https://youtu.be/4MlYgt-QdMI?si=uGen6fpd7QZW-JXK

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    1. @Chris. I'm a Canadian and, as such, I'm supposed to be a Rush fan, but Geddy Lee's voice just makes my whole body contract in pain.

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  47. Anonymous2:52 PM

    Another disappointing puzzle. LEGOS is bad. LDRS is worse. HOPER is awful. Sigh...

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  48. I found the trick to be easy today, but some of the trivia were stretches. I got through it unscathed, so happy.

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  49. Photomatte3:33 PM

    Oof. This theme. If the theme is a wheel, why do some letters get used twice and some don't? For example, in ROLLSONESEYES, the first O is used twice. This inconsistency (error?) threw me for a loop. I was like, yes, I get it, but it's not working. I had RO and saw EYES at the end, then saw the missing letters above ... but that required me to use the O again! This puzzle would've been much better if arbitrary letters weren't randomly used twice. Makes it sound like ROOLLONESEYES, which isn't a thing.

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    1. The "O" gets used twice because it's at the bottom of the wheel and the wheel makes a complete turn. It happens in all the answers. I don't know where you're getting the ROOL" thing from.

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  50. I tried my Natick in both directions and thought, “Yeah, that works.” Hence, I finished my puzzle with the crossing of SoLOED and SEALoONS. Somewhere, there’s gotta be a waterfowl refugee from Minnesota adding his plaintive call to an ocean of the world.

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  51. Anonymous4:59 PM

    I would love to see a Thursday puzzle created by Rex Parker!

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  52. Anonymous5:25 PM

    This was hard for me - but it made me think! Thank you

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  53. Had a lot of fun with this one. I understand all of @Rex's points but they don't bother me. Fun theme with some really nice long stuff as everyone has already pointed out.
    I'm especially impressed with a grid that can make short fill fun with some great cluing. Today we had TAG, BOT, LEGS and ANT. I may be forgetting one, but these all sparkled for me.
    I got held up for a bit as ROOK wouldn't click for me as clued but KNEE finally came to me (cute phrase that this city boy never heard)
    I understand that this is a debut - very impressive!

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  54. Anonymous7:03 PM

    ECON is not a "Nobel prize category." The Sveriges Riksbank Prize in Economic Sciences in Memory of Alfred Nobel is a separate prize from the Nobel Prizes, set up by a different foundation.

    Also, the MARS/Milky Way answer reeks of someone confusing the solar system for the galaxy.

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  55. Once again, I am in awe of the human brain, and how differently people doing the very same thing can report vastly different experiences. Like many of us, execution of the theme was very easy because I have seen the “letters in a circle” used before - and in several different ways. I like this one the best of any I have ever seen because it didn’t just require me to use the shaded letters in order, it gave me a visual and physical experience! What? Glad you asked.

    The very thing that @Rex found troubling made no difference to me. I did not need for the words to tell me to go around or be related to going around WHEELS because I experienced it. But if you really need it all to be related to WHEELS or wheel-adjacent (as my granddaughter now loves to say about marginally related things), @Rex missed it. All the theme areas are related to or descriptive of WHEELS. We have ROLL, HOOPS, LOOP and ROUND.

    When I came upon the first theme answer, I had all the previous squares completed. I chuckled at MOSES smashing his tablets, and was grateful for the ECON Nobel category because it helped me decide among erS, Ums, or UHS at 9D which gave me OH C’MON. That little section alone demonstrates some high level construction chops. The really good clues surrounding the UHS/OH C’MON cross made the NE sparkle.

    Moving on to the actual theme. When I got to the clue for 15A I already had SHOOTSSOOPS. This next part happened almost instantly surprising me that this old brain can still function at warp speed when it gets excited. I looked at the grey theme squares and what I saw was HOME. At the same time, part of my brain was trying to think baseball, my eyes were looping up and around the letters. As I whooshed through the downside - as if my brain were on The Cyclone at Coney Island - I felt the instant thrill of that downhill speed and accordingly used that energy to SHOOT SOME HOOPS! The cherry on my sundae was that each theme answer worked the same way. It is the first time in over 60 years of solving that I have had such an exciting physiological reaction to a puzzle. Loved the feeling of the loop-de-loops!

    As for the difficulty level, the fill was fairly easy. I feel as if Kyle Perkins (a veteran of puzzles and making his NYTXW debut today) may have given us some easy answers in order to shine his light on the theme. And for me, his light shone brilliantly. Congrats to Mr.Perkins on a very successful debut. I am eager to see your next byline.

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  56. Anonymous1:48 PM

    Am I the only one who did this puzzle in a format with no shaded squares? That was definitely a problem for me. Eventually figured out the answer to the revealer from crosses, but had no idea how the missing letters were supposed to work without the shading to show them to me. Just had a lot of random rebuses that only worked in one direction.

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