Relative difficulty: Easy-Medium
Theme answers:
Word of the Day: Wally SCHIRRA (88D: Wally ___, astronaut who commanded Apollo 7) —
Gonna be brief because I have nothing good to say about this. A startlingly weak pun theme with fill that made me cringe over and over. This felt like what might've passed for an OK puzzle 30+ years ago, but today ... I can't believe this was accepted. The title of the puzzle isn't even trying, that's how weak this theme is. "Misquoting Shakespeare." Yes. You are doing that. But why? What is the point? These puns are completely arbitrary and not funny in the least. The central one ("FARE IS FOUL / AND / FOWL IS FAIR") is the best of the lot, by far, largely because it's an epic two-parter (three- if you count the "AND") where the quotation sounds exactly like the original, correct Shak. quote. That is, it involves perfect homophones, one in either half of the symmetrical quote, and the quote itself actually borders on amusing. "TWO Bs OR NOT TWO Bs" is also OK—the clue addresses a very real spelling issue, so ... fine. But the others, oof, they do nothing. They have no wit, charm, sense of humor, genuine playfulness. "Uh, what sounds like 'night,' I know, KNIGHT?" Who cares? The resulting phrase is practically nonsense, and certainly isn't funny. And the remaining three are somehow worse than that. At least "KNIGHT" actually sounds like "night." Why "ELF"??? I mean, if you're going to try a pun there, why not go with "shelf," which is at least closer to "self"? "TO THINE OWN ELF BE TRUE" makes about as much sense as "TO THINE OWN CELL (phone?) BE TRUE" or "TO THINE OWN SELF BE BLUE." And then "A NOSE BY ANY OTHER NAME?" Why NOSE???? Why not HOSE or POSE? Why not BEWARE THE RIDES OF MARCH? Or SIDES OF MARCH? Or EYES OF MARCH, for that matter? These themers today involve only arbitrary minor sound / spelling changes, and (the real crime) they yield almost nothing in the way of humor. I can forgive groaners, but I can't forgive how meek and tepid these groaners are. Try harder! "EAT TWO, BRUTE!" "LORD, WHAT FOOLS THESE TURTLES BE!" "MY KINGDOM FOR A HEARSE!" "LET SLIP THE CLOGS OF WAR!" "NEITHER A BURROWER NOR A LENDER BE!" These are also bad, but they are no worse than what we end up getting. With no guiding principle beyond "kinda sorta sounds like Shakespeare" ... ugh.
- "GOOD KNIGHT, SWEET PRINCE" (22A: King's assessment of his son the Crusader?)
- "TO THINE OWN ELF BE TRUE" (40A: Santa's view on loyalty for those who help him?)
- "FARE IS FOUL / AND / FOWL IS FAIR" (51A: With 61-Down and 78-Across, "Food at this restaurant stinks, but the duck seems fine"?)
- "TWO B'S OR NOT TWO B'S" (64A: Frequent question about the spelling of "Caribbean?")
- "A NOSE BY ANY OTHER NAME..." (87A: Schnozz, honker or beak?)
- "BEWARE THE TIDES OF MARCH" (112A: Warning to a beachgoer on St. Patrick's Day?)
Word of the Day: Wally SCHIRRA (88D: Wally ___, astronaut who commanded Apollo 7) —
Walter Marty Schirra Jr. (/ʃɜːˈrɑː/ shur-AH; March 12, 1923 – May 3, 2007) was an American naval aviator, test pilot, and NASA astronaut. In 1959, he became one of the original seven astronauts chosen for Project Mercury, which was the United States' first effort to put humans into space. On October 3, 1962, he flew the six-orbit, nine-hour, Mercury-Atlas 8 mission, in a spacecraft he nicknamed Sigma 7, becoming the fifth American and ninth human to travel into space. In December 1965, as part of the two-man Gemini program, he achieved the first space rendezvous, station-keeping his Gemini 6A spacecraft within 1 foot (30 cm) of the sister Gemini 7 spacecraft. In October 1968, he commanded Apollo 7, an 11-day low Earth orbit shakedown test of the three-man Apollo Command/Service Module and the first crewed launch for the Apollo program. [...] Schirra was the first astronaut to go into space three times, and the only astronaut to have flown into space in the Mercury, Gemini, and Apollo programs. In total, he logged 295 hours and 15 minutes in space. After Apollo 7, he retired as a captain from the U.S. Navy as well as from NASA, subsequently becoming a consultant to CBS News in the network's coverage of following Apollo flights. Schirra joined Walter Cronkite as co-anchor for all seven of NASA's Moon landing missions. (wikipedia)
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["Beware the Eyes of Mars!"]
And the fill—a problem from the start. OK, you're throwing ENOLA and STN at me right off the bat in that little corner in the NW, I've seen worse. What's that? You wanna give me the odd prepositional phrase ON EARTH too? Sigh, OK, you're pushing it, but so far, this is just ordinary crud. But then you try to smack me with a cold fish labeled À LUI and that's it, I'm completely out of the puzzle now. I wrote À MOI in there, which is bad enough, but it's a common kind of bad: a short foreignism that's not the kind of thing you're apt to know if you don't speak the language, but that you see from time to time (less now than in the bad old days of crosswordese, but still, you see it). But À LUI? Check out this À LUI heat chart:
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The grid isn't all bad. I'm fond of PARAPETS and WORSE OFF. IN A TRICE is arcane, but not in a way I hate. It's good-quaint. FLASH CARD, GARROTE, TYPIFIED, WESTERNS—the puzzle gets off a few good ones. But mainly it felt like this puzzle was pummeling me with half-baked puns and a whole arsenal of tired, tired fill. I said I was gonna keep it brief, so ... this is "brief" for me. I'll stop. On to the Bullets.
Bullets:
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- 21A: Conflict that ended with the Treaty of Nanking (OPIUM WAR) — which one? It's either the OPIUM WARS, plural, or you're gonna have to be more specific. This clue is referring to the First OPIUM WAR, which is the title of its wikipedia page because, again, there were more than one. Specifically, there were two, the first one fought between the British Empire and China, 1839-42, the second between UK/France and China, 1856-60. If you talk about these wars, you talk in the collective (OPIUM WARS), or you specify which OPIUM WAR you're talking about. Because you have to. Because there are two. FIRST OPIUM WAR would be great fill, imho. OPIUM WAR is blargh unless your clue is [One of two 19th-century conflicts between the UK and China].
- 20A: Early smartphone model of the 2000s (TREO) — bygone smartphones? You gotta be courageous enough to delete stuff like this from your wordlist. TREO is a crutch. With every passing day, it's worse fill. There is no rehabilitation until something else comes along with that name, something that is not a long-bygone phone model. When I search [TREO] on DuckDuckGo (which I generally prefer to Google), the smartphone appears nowhere on the first page of hits. Even on Google, I'm getting a TREO Foundation and TREO scented candles before I'm getting (finally) pictures of early smartphones. [Palm TREO] is what you wanna search. Lots of models, starting in 2002, but done by 2008. Seventeen years gone. No one should have to remember phone model names that are that old. TREO has such a grid-friendly combination of letters, I get why a constructor might want to use it, but ... have courage. Throw it in the ocean.
- 76A: No Mr. Nice Guy (MEANY) — really thought this was spelled "MEANIE" ... because it is. MEANY is a Var. (as in "Variant")
- 121A: Movable parts of record players (TONE ARMS) — I move one of these parts on a regular basis, but still never remember this technical term. I think I just call it the "arm," if I call it anything
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@Rex, ABASE/SCIERRA mistake took me way too long to discover to get the happy music.
ReplyDeletei was unsure about ABASe/ABASH but guessed correctly there. on the other hand, i don't think i've *ever* heard INATRICE before, and eventually had to cheat :/
DeleteMe three
Deleteme 4! this killed my 181 day streak
DeleteYeah, having ABASe for ABASH got me my third DNF of 2025. Fingers crossed for next year. I thought my mistake was something in INATRICE, which meant nothing to me and had several crosses that I doubted.
DeleteYup, same and never heard INATRICE. The theme name that was right there was "Misspelling Shakespeare", would have been (barely) an improvement. I was hoping the extra letters gave us a deeper revealer.
Delete[Advice taken by today's theme's creator]
ReplyDeleteGET THEE TO A PUNNERY
@Lewis, Absolutely your best post ever!
DeleteA good friend of mine made a shirt for me with this exact phrase on it!
DeleteSnort! (Laughed out loud!)
DeleteMy candidate for Post of the Year!
DeleteTHIS should have been the puzzle title!
Delete@Lewis: PERFECT!!!
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ReplyDeleteEasy, except for one square. I DNF'd at 77D x 82A. I watched some of VEEP and was very confident that the main character's name was Selina MaYER. And I thought that in a condo complex the HOa is responsible for landscaping, which includes killing weeds. So no happy music for me.
Conrad 6:26: I made the same mistake.I didn’t like HOA as an answer to that clue, but I lawyered myself into it.
DeleteThis may be the first time I've had a visceral disagreement with OFL...I really liked the puns and, frankly, l liked his alternate examples. Bad puns make me smile.
ReplyDeleteI'm older...75 in couple of weeks...so Wally Schirra was a gimme. Grew up hearing his name. I remembered Treo also...Palm was a big thing for a while. Yeah, some awful crosswordese but some great fill as well. Wayne's world? I enjoyed this one.
As my dog likes to say, to each his bone.
Yeah, some awful crosseordese but some great fill
Matthew B - same age as you, and same feelings about this puzzle. I smiled through most of it. I'd rate it a 10 on the "was it fun?" scale.
DeleteAgreed. I liked it, thought the puns were clever. Proper Sunday level of difficulty.
DeleteVery fun Sunday. Smiling all the way.
DeleteNot same age, but also a Matthew B....also enjoyed the puns and was fine with the puzzle in general. Played easy for me.
DeletePuzzle was too easy, got the "....tides of march" just off the A and S. Fill was bad. Puns were meh, the best one went across 3 answers, that's bad construction.
Delete@Matthew B, I agree with you and the other “repliers.” had fun solving this one. I’m mid-70s and I look forward to this kind of Sunday puzzle; liked this type 30 years ago and I liked it today. Goofy puns are such classic Sunday NYTXW fodder. And those of us who have been hanging around here for a while know that OFL is not a fan of puns. So, no puns for @Rex, not even during the Christmas season. TO THINE OWN ELF BE TRUE!
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ReplyDeleteYeah, I am on the team that says OFL was a little harsh on this one; I mean, it was not the world’s most original puzzle, but was not the least. Also, am surprised that a literature professor was not a little more generous to a Bard-theme puzzle. To misquote Juliet; the more we have of Shakespeare, the more we need.
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Never heard of AMBIT or INATRICE before.
ReplyDeleteI will confess to "IN A TRICE" not being in my AMBIT.
DeleteTotally disagree with Rex this time. I thought answers like "To thine own elf be true" were delightfully Monte Python-esque. And if that skews me older than you like, well so be it. A charming puzzle that started slowly and then rushed to a conclusion, as a Sunday should.
ReplyDeleteThe puns didn't bother me. You're supposed to groan at puns. But to wake up to BOTH the crossword and the mini with the same 1A answer, which makes me think of a certain trillionaire first thing in the morning. No thanks
ReplyDeleteYep had the exact same thought....cherry on top for today were the clues for a former Israeli PM and Gal Gadot 🙄
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DeleteAre Fagliano and Shortz not talking to each other?
ReplyDeleteMaybe they have stock in that company?
DeleteLook at today’s theme – punning on renowned Shakespearean lines -- simple, elegant, and entertaining. It seems like low-hanging fruit, something a constructor by now would have come up with. But no. I did a bit of research and couldn’t find it anywhere. Bravo, sir!
ReplyDeleteRandolph is a Times crossword powerhouse, with 118 puzzles over 34 years. Those puzzles include more than a thousand answer debuts, and 74 themes. Standing-O, sir!
I found today's puzzle fun, trying to get the theme answers with as few crosses as possible. I loved seeing PARAPET, AMBIT, and GARROTE, gorgeous words that don’t come around that often. I liked seeing OPI, ORI and wannabe OBIS, not to mention semordnilaps GAB and BAG, and same-row rhymers ODETTE and BETTE.
Once again you made me smile and satisfied my brain’s workout ethic, Randolph. And I look forward to next time. Thank you!
Respect to the constructor and his second career success. The problem is this one will play well for the olds and no so much for solvers of this century. Something tells me the 118 puzzles from the archives play like this golden oldie. It may be time for a second retirement.
DeleteNYTXW needs to infuse more cross-gen constructors with broader cultural appeal, relevance, and wit. Respect for the great constructors and I’m hungry for more fresh talent. We deserve better.
@Anon 12:23PM responding to @Lewis. Randolph Ross is a veteran constructor, and as a nearly daily solver of over 60 years, I am familiar with his work. I know from experience that all of his puzzles do not “play like a golden oldie.” Furthermore, this past year, the editorial staff has done a decent job of accepting puzzles from younger constructors who have used lots of fill that reflects more recent events, people, colloquialisms and even puns. I enjoy learning more modern fill and appreciate the wide variety of material being published. Understand, however, that the editors receive the puzzles they receive; if ones from the younger, more “cross-gen constructors” are not quite ready for the NYT, the editors are not at fault.
Delete@CDilly52 7:19PM. All fair points and thank you for the thoughtful response. I need to be slower to judge and go back to the archives and try Mr.Ross’ earlier work. I have much respect for our constructors and perhaps there’s just a dearth of younger talent in the pipeline? I suppose AI may address that.
DeleteI’ve said this before and I’ll (probably) say it again, but I liked this more than Rex did. Maybe because it kinda felt like it was from 30 years ago. Those were the days!
ReplyDeleteHey All !
ReplyDeleteThis puz isn't any WORSE OFF than any other puz, Sunday or otherwise. Got a "Holy cow! Calm down Rex!" kind of feel from the review. Maybe just me, I'll see how y'all felt about it later.
I liked the puns. Puns are meant to have fun with the original thing, which I think these did just fine. Sure, could've used other ones, but these are OK
Fill was iffy at times, but getting stuff to work that is semi-useable is OFT tough to do in puzzle making.
Had my errors at O_I/_ETRO cross, and ABASe for ABASH. Haven't heard of PETRO dollar or PETRO chemical, wanted either an M or an X, because OXI sounds like something. Confusing either the household item maker OXO, or the acne cream OXY.
Speaking of acne, wanted that first at 60A, Dots on faces. Then got lIeS (which was FIBS), and changed it to zItS. Dang. Finally saw OPS, and the ole brain switched to dice rather than actual human faces.
LADIES TEE could've been clued as - Closest to the green?
Have a great Sunday!
Eleven F's - Wow!
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I love your clue for LADIES TEE Roo!
DeleteGah. Wasn’t signed in on LADIES TEE COMMENT. 🙄
DeleteI almost punted in the north for the first time in a very long time. I saw ENOLA crossing ALUI, TREO, Nanking and figured this one wasn’t for me. Unfortunately, that first Shakespeare quote was torturous to parse together as well.
ReplyDeleteI figured I wouldn’t throw in the towel just yet and kept with it a bit. Luckily, the remainder of the theme answers were more mainstream (to me at least) and the cluing became less obscure. So at least I was able to enjoy just making progress for progress’s sake.
At the end of the day I finished it, but that ENOLA and ALUI cross just left a bad taste in my mouth that I couldn’t shake the entire solve.
Old geezer here. I guess I don’t mind old-fashioned puzzles. This one started tough for a Sunday. After I finally got a foothold, though, it was whoosh whoosh to the end. Lots of fun despite the flaws Rex points out. A better-than-average Sunday in my book. Thanks, Randolph Ross!
ReplyDeleteThe lowest and most groveling kind of wit..... maybe. The rear of an ass? But thereby hangs a tail. Bad, perhaps, but surely that is the way of the pun. To thy groan self be true.
ReplyDeleteOR I, THE I, AN E - yuk. Liked the theme more than Rex, but agree the fill is bad.
ReplyDelete27 minutes for me, so easy medium. Same struggles as others... SCHIRRA took forever to come into view, needed all he crosses. I liked the puns pretty well, especially "TOTHINEOWNELFBETRUE". I often imagine myself trying to construct a puzzle... but absolutely cannot imagine trying to fill a Sunday grid!! Too big! This had a nice big theme--themers that covered most of all of the grid. That makes it a good Sunday as far as I'm concerned. Overall a fun outing! Thanks, Randolph!
ReplyDeleteI was confident enough in my spelling of SCHeRRA to ignore the less accepted variant spelling of MUSLeM, so a one-letter DNF for me. I really enjoyed that old timey corner with TONE ARMS and IN A TRICE.
ReplyDeleteLiked the theme. Better than 90% of Sunday themes.
I disagree that standards for fill are higher than they used to be; they are just different. You get fewer ELBEs and ARNOs, but more ENOLAs (that is, role you've never heard of in a show you've never seen) and OPIs (brand names). Constructors need glue to hold grids together. That glue used to involve a lot of geography; now it involves a lot of people, slang, brand names. But it's still glue.
Great point, kitshef! When I was a kid it was sometimes helpful to keep a globe or map or atlas handy. Names are less universal as glue, because we don’t all see the same entertainment, and they come and go.
Delete@kitshef. You say glue is necessary, and I agree but, please, not this much!
DeleteThanks for reminding me there are a few goodies hidden in there. TONE ARMS and IN A TRICE, which is so ancient it seems fresh. And I liked PARAPETS, too.
Yes, I liked PARAPETS after I got rid of Ramparts, which I wrote in straight off!
DeleteI quit halfway through. Terrible puzzle.
ReplyDeleteDoesn't Rex have a sense of humor? This was the best Sunday puzzle in memory, with some wonderful punning and cluing that helped with the solve. I'd agree with others that it's geared toward seniors, like yours truly.
ReplyDeleteTWOBSORNOTTWOBS is wonderful, as are ANOSEBYANYOTHERNAME and TOTHINEOWNELFBETRUE. I needed one cheat, for the XENA/OXCARTS cross (I was thinking "sports teams"). Only nit...MEANY is usually spelled "meanie."
The alternate spelling didn't bother me a whit, and such are the exigencies of crosswords sometimes. But it could have been alternatively clued by a reference to first-name George, to appease the spelling pedants among us. Would have made it a skosh harder as well.
DeleteEasy-Medium sounds about right, more easy than medium. Very little resistance. Fill in the blanks at your leisure. I won't say it was over IN A TRICE, but it might have been if I were more in a frame of mind to make it so.
ReplyDeleteClearly I'm a child of the Space Age: SCHIRRA's name FLOATed up from my brain stem practically unbidden. The names of astronauts seem like from so long ago, you might as well be asking instead about Roman generals for all the difference it would make, but as astronauts go he was super-famous.
Buck up, Rex -- at least they had the right channel today (TCM)!
I did not know SOFI. What is that, anyway? [Looking it up] SoFi Bank, perhaps? Snoozers! I also didn't know TONE ARMS, but that at least seems like a semi-useful piece of vocabulary. Reading the clue, I kept thinking whatever it is you call that ARM that you sort of swing over to hold the LPs in place on the central spindle-like thingamajig, but that's different.
I didn't think the puns were so bad. On the question of whether the puzzle was "too BS or not too BS", I'll give it "not" overall, but it wasn't exactly a satisfying or exciting experience either. Just sort of desultory. At least I can get on with my day. Hope yours is a good one.
I agree with you - re: TCM :)
DeleteMARVY?MARVY????? That was the last straw for me. Has anyone used that word (assuming that it actually is a word) without wearing a Mary Quant minidress and white lipstick? I found the theme cute but utterly unchallenging — once I figured out what the pun was I could just fill in the whole answer. And the fill was both way too easy and too crosswordy (I’m looking at you, EELIER, a word that I would bet has never actually been uttered), or words/phrases that haven’t been used in conversation for quite a while (INATRICE, TONEARMS). Plus all the “it can’t be a crossword without these words!” fill (OBIS, AWOL, ETNA, ENOLA, ATE etc etc etc). Rather than being fun it just felt dutiful.
ReplyDeleteWhere are you seeing MARVY?
Delete116 down
DeleteAgree, “eelier” had me shaking my head. Also, did the clueing on 62 down (“Gone wrong, for short”) bother anyone? SNAFU yes, FUBAR yes, but AWOL??
DeleteLoved it... wild west instead of westerns made for some confusion at first... Ramparts instead of parapets got me for a while also
ReplyDeleteHand up for RAMPARTS, "confirmed" by a whopping 3 crossings. WESTERNS took a while because when I see [Wayne's world?] my mind jumps to Bruce instead of John.
DeleteYikes. I knew that Rex would say the puzzle skewed “old” but I wasn’t prepared for the rest. I’m not overly fond of puns but I thought the results were kind of cute.
ReplyDeleteWith the comments indicating that Wally SCHIRRA was difficult…I GET it. We’ve gotten to a point now that there are SO many present (and past) astronauts, most names are unknown. It does make me kind of sad, but happy that I was a child when the first astronauts were considered pioneering heroes…and their names were well known.
I liked the theme. Puns will be puns, they are meant to make us groan. That being said, some yucky fill (see Anonymous 8:29) and unknown (to me) and tricky names (14, 88, 91)
ReplyDeleteRex, you OK, bro? The reviews have been extra harsh lately.
ReplyDeleteShakespeare puns are the stuff that English nerd dreams are made of. I thought all of these were just the right amount of cringe.
[Citation needed]. Yesterday’s review was positive.
DeletePuzzles have been pretty disappointing this month it’s true.
DeleteHeadachy Lady MacBeth to her lusty husband? Out damn Scot. Of course SPOT is a theme-adjacent answer at 52D, so maybe it should be outed as well. Another unacknowledged themer involves Cleopatras last words to Antony: I AMBIT.
ReplyDeleteThen there was the Texan who was rejected by all of the Ivy League schools but very quickly got INATRICE.
I know you all will be shocked to learn that I adored this plateful of stupid puns. But I did, and I thank you, Randolph Ross.
The Right Stuff is a 42-year old movie and Wally Schirra isn't even a main character.
DeleteThanks for correcting me @Rusty Trawler. Never again will I assert that Wally Schirra is a main character. Come to think of it, I never have asserted anything about Wally Schirra. But I now assert that he has the same initials as Will Shortz and William Shakespeare. Trifecta!!!!
DeleteI graduated from Rice. Are you insinuating something?
DeleteThe biggest gimme in this puzzle is of course Wally SCHIRRA. If Rex doesnt know it thats on him not the constructor.
ReplyDeleteAgreed! Even if you’re younger, you’ve maybe seen “The Right Stuff” and should know Wally Schirra.
DeleteRex got up on the wrong side of the bed, thats all I can conclude. Yeah, the puzzle is punny - it's a crossword puzzle! I liked it just fine and smiled throughout. Rex, way too harsh IMO. I know Wally Schirra as there is a street named after him in a town near me - Oradell NJ where' Wally is from. They had a big parade for him back in his glory days. I thought the Wayne's world clue was brilliant... took me awhile. I do hard copy in pen so I can always easily see where I messed up and had write overs. LADIESTEE... I had the TEE part and for some reason put mADraSTEE. ugh... big blot of blue ink in the NW. I always mess up TCM/TMC . Never heard of a TREO smart phone, it looked wrong. BTW for Christmas I am thinking of splurging and getting iPhone 17s for 3 family members who are on iPHONE13s. Just might do it, life is short. GARROTE was hard to get for me too. and other than EELIER, I cannot think of a single reason not to love this puzzle. THANKS Randolph Ross, it was captivating while it lasted!
ReplyDeleteThis senior is coming down more on OFL's side. A bit of a slog, without a lot of fun. But some of that was my fault, so still glad I spent nearly an hour with this one. Remind me to check the puzzle title - that would've helped. Had no idea what was going on for way too long, having only the crosses to help me nail down themers. This is true: I actually considered itsoneRandTWOBS and
ReplyDeleteANOSEisANoseisaNosE, both of which fit.
Also got off to a bad start in the NW, preferring phoneS to TESLAS, and unable to see ALUI (my list of French possessives being confined to the mon/ma ton/ta son/sa notre/votre leur set). Even struggled with LADIESTEE, looking for some sort of tee that's more casually fitted than others (and would say most ladies tees are better fitted than my own). The SE also tough when Eulogy is your shot at EPILOG.
Wasn't a lot of fun. No ahas, TILs, remembrances, diversions, or further exploration, though I did enjoy OPIUMWAR, PARAPETS, and GAROTTE, and briefly explored various rundowns on Shakespeare's finest. But in the end, one section after another fell into place and I finally 'got it', and that's sort of the point. A satisfactory end product from an unsatisfactory process is OK, smiles, i guess, sometimes.
BOO to the whole SW corner of this puzzle. If you are going to misdirect with ABASe/ABASH then don't cross it with a name that, even if somebody knows, they might not know how to spell correctly. I don't mind being challenged, but make sure it lands with a satisfying "ah, I see" rather than a "gotcha."
ReplyDeleteAnd WTH is a TONE ARM? I figured the moveable piece was probably an ARM but BUENO could have been BUENa and has anyone ever used AMBIT in real life conversation? And if you did, did the other person stare at you like they had no idea what you were talking about? I figured AMBIT was the right answer but BOO all the same.
I enjoyed figuring out the Shakespeare quotes but it ended on a sour note for me. Or, I should say it didn't "end" because I gave up after spending 10 minutes chasing my tail.
BOO
I don't think you can make the cae that all words appearing in crossword puzzles should be words that most people use "in real life conversation."
DeleteMaybe I’m too easily pleased, but enjoyed this one even though the long puns were kinda easily detectable from a few crosses. Seems like Rex got off the wrong side of the bed this morning or whenever he did this review. An excellent deconstruction of all the weaknesses but no sense of fun at thoroughly disreputable punnery.
ReplyDeleteOh, and IN A TRICE? Let's add that to the SW ridiculousness please.
ReplyDeleteIt did feel quite retro, and I was sure OFL would tan it royally. But that was partially because I shattered my all-time Sunday record. So I was a little surprised to see the easy-medium rating. I found the answers basically filling in themselves. And I are dum!
ReplyDeleteWell, here's a bizarre coincidence. I've been reading a collection called The Year's best Science Fiction for 1995. In it is a story by William Barton called "In Saturn Time". I just read that story, the last line of which is "[Walter] Cronkite and [Wally] Schirra smiled for the camera, and, on TV, the Sun began rising over Callisto's dark horizon". If I head read this story last night, instead of today, I would have known the spelling of Schirra and avoided my one-letter DNF.
ReplyDeleteBy the way, I don't recommend the book. I don't know if it is characteristic of Science Fiction of that time, or just the preferences of the editor, but there are a lot of stories that just kind of peter out without any real ending.
Also disagree with Rex - I liked it. Thought the punning was cute in a dorky way. And I am not appalled by TREO. Not in the least.
ReplyDeleteRP: I disagree -- "Lord, what fools these turtles be" is funny.
ReplyDeleteBy the time my consistently late daughter showed up at the theater it was Thirteenth Night. Another time the performance was so bad, the audience changed the play's name to All's Well That Ends.
Years ago a New Yorker cartoon featured a Shakespearean actor on stage looking stumped, and someone is whispering to him: "Or not to be."
@Liveprof. Your examples - Thirteenth Night and All's Well That Ends - differ from puns in the puzzle in that they are witty.
DeleteSounds like Rex over-imbibed his beloved cocktails last night and woke up with a hangover.
ReplyDeleteSo, for me, it doesn’t get much worse than this: acres and acres of dull fill in service of a half dozen bad Shakespeare jokes. Fill was not exactly “crosswordese” in the strictest sense of the word but it was certainly tired, over-used, recycled and boring. It was just glue.
ReplyDeleteHere’s a partial list: AWL, DEA, TEX, EELIER, ESC, BEN (but at least not Hur this time), ORCA, PIPS, TIE, ANE, FED, MAR, SNAG, HOE, ATL, SRO, ITALIC (but at least not ITAL this time), HERA, REF, CAL, ADD. And those are all acrosses. I’ll spare you my list of the downs.
There was even a singular dotting of THE I.
When I opened the puzzle & saw the name I thought to myself "Haven't seen HIM in a while." And I'm so glad I did today, Randolph :)
ReplyDeleteI disagree with Rex - this was a fun, if a bit dated puzzle (thus Rex's rant) which is OKAY - no gimmicks, no hidden rebuses, no visuals, no "LOOK WHAT I MADE!" self-congratulatory exclamations by (new) constructors, no silly trivia - just a good, old, punny puzzle especially on a Sunday.
Good to see you, Randolph :)
I usually find the Sunday puzzles way too much of a slog. I thought this puzzle was an exception. The theme was quite clever and I thought the cluing was better than most Sundays.
ReplyDeleteNJ is very proud of Wally Schirra, Jr. Born in Hackensack, educated at the NJ Inst of Technology. There is a Walter M. Schirra Elementary School in Old Bridge Township, NJ. Inducted into the NJ Hall of Fame. Recipient of numerous impressive awards and honors for his service and accomplishments. Hurrah, hurrah, for Wally Schirra!
ReplyDeleteThe puns were meh. The fill was godawful. Old fashioned and repellent. The reviews have been harsh lately because the puzzles have been awful lately. I really don’t know what is going on but the quality has fallen off a cliff of late. Honestly feels like it’s time for some new blood in the editorial department.
ReplyDeleteI didn’t get the happy music at first. I wasn’t sure about the cross of 2D/25A and 88D/123A. I tried reasonable permutations, but still no good. Then I started to think that ‘Muslim’ was suspect…Finally changed the E to an H in ABASH, and was rewarded. The puns didn’t bother me at all. Even crosswordese is preferable to proper names of people I’ve never heard of. Often the names are uninferable. That’s my beef.
ReplyDeleteNot my favorite puzzle by any means, and I understand Rex’s complaints, but… you know, I sort of enjoyed piecing together the twisted Shakespeare quotes!
ReplyDeleteStillwell that ends well?
DeleteI have to hit the road in a minute but had to check in to say how much I enjoyed this puzzle. "FARE IS FOUL..": I'll never see those Macbeth hags again without thinking of them writing a restaurant review. Inspired!
ReplyDeleteWas prepared to dislike this one as it started with TESLAS (boo) but it turned out pretty well. Three years of French before starting Spanish in college gave me ALUI , after discarding AMOI and ATOI, he said, just showing off. Also up top we had TREO which is the only time in a crossword I missed OREO, and then EELIER. Really? I've seen EELY which is bad enough, but now we get the comparative, which fittingly goes from bad to worse.
ReplyDeleteWondered how many youngs (hey, if I can be an "old", you can be a "young") would know TONEARMS or SCHIRRA, both of which were gimmes. I mean, you only hear of one SCHIRRA, you tend to remember it.
Thought the puns were OK, some more successful than others. OFL did his usual "why this one" and I always think. why not?
TIL MEYER as clued and EMILE as clued, also SOFI and the awful TREO, but pretty much knew everything else. Not a constant delight but pleasant enough.
OK Sunday, RR. Mostly went through it like a Road Runner, thanks for a fair amount of fun.
Let's not forget the ick factor of starting with "Teslas."
ReplyDeletehated it ! up top MS !
ReplyDeleteGiddy good time with best of The Bard meets worst of the dad jokes. That said, was this constructed by the ghost of some 100 year old English professor? So much old crosswordese and proper noun esoterica to tie the whole mess together.
ReplyDeleteHad to run the alphabet to break through the Natick at 2D/25A to get happy music, ENO_A/A_UI. Ok, so Millie played Enola in some show I have no interest in and A’lui is something in French?
And that God awful south west corner, loaded with dusty Anglo garbage and crusty bygone characters + geography trivia. IN A TRICE? AMBIT crossing SCHIRRA, MIER, and ASWAN. Billy Shakespeare saved my arse on this one!
You do know Gold Meir...?
DeleteThe first themer was not funny or punny, in my opinion, and the TIDES OF MARCH wasn't all that inspired either. The rest of the theme answers were very nice. ELF helped me get rid of the crossing EX cop. Rex had some good suggestions.
ReplyDeleteI had my share of write-overs. "The US" before U S OF A, OH wow became OH GEE. Do Disney visitors really bring home CELs? I figured it would be a "tee" shirt.
Thanks, Randolph Ross. It's been a while since we've seen you.
Willie the Shake would have cringed over this foul gimmick.
ReplyDeleteEasy. I mostly knew the quotes so this was pretty whooshy.
ReplyDeleteCute and mildly amusing, add me to those who liked it more than @Rex did.
As so often, disagreed with Rex re the themes. I thought them pleasantly funny, and fun to uncover.
ReplyDeleteI often hate Sundays but thought this one was okay. As Rex said, that central theme multi-answer is the best, the way it zags across the grid is the icing on the cherry.
ReplyDeleteI got bogged down with a big mess in the upper left; I felt good about the acrosses but a couple of the downs looked highly unlikely. Having already spent a half hour on the puzzle, I just gave in and clicked Reveal Incorrect Letters. And what a shock!... I had *four* incorrect words with *ten* (!!!) incorrect letters!
--1 across: TASERS ("charged" fits so well)
--22 across: GOULD NIGHT... (I thought there was a character by that name in the play)
--25 across: A MOI (classic Kealoa)
--29 across: SOLD (as an exclamation: "Sold!" == "Done deal!")
This has to be some sort of record for errors. Yeesh!
I did not want to start my day with TESLA
ReplyDeleteI struggled a bit to get going, and the last pun I solved was GOOD KNIGHT which made me laugh. But the biggest laugh came when I got the Look again notice and no happy music. The Wayne's world location I had was WEST ARNS. Which must be somewhere in Canada? Right? I wondered if Odetta the singer was named for ODETTa from Nutcracker. ODETTE would make that WEST ER gah!!! Face palm.
ReplyDeleteI didn’t read everyone’s comments but did anyone mention that college seniors do NOT take GRE exams.
ReplyDelete? When I look it up online many sources say that college seniors make up about one third of GRE takers.
DeleteThis threw me off for a long time too
DeleteKinda funny SunPuztheme. My fave kind.
ReplyDeleteLoved the split up FAREISFOUL+AND+FOWLISFAIR themer & clue. Excellently centrally splatzed into the puzgrid.
Was relieved they avoided the whole WHERFOREFARTYOUROMEO breakfast-tester thing.
41 weejects! Wowzers, what a primo bonanza.
staff weeject picks: OPT [cuz I had ACT for too long]. OPS [cuz I had USE for way too long]. OPI [cuz I thought I had it remembered right, but had OPA]. The OP-tickle illusions of the M&A brainpan.
Thanx for the cup funneth over, Mr. Ross dude. Nice job. Been a few years -- come back sooner.
Masked & Anonymo9Us
... and now, for yer latest runtpuz diet supplement ...
"Dropping a Little Weight" - 7x7 12 min. themed runt puzzle:
**gruntz**
M&A [back from a short 650-mile roadtrip, btw]
My heart kind of sank when I read Rex's first sentence ("... I have nothing good to say about this") because I liked the puzzle. I thought the puns were very cute and, yes, maybe some of the fill was stale, but there were some great words in there, too: OXCARTS, PARAPETS, GARROTE, IN A TRICE, AMBIT, TYPIFIED, FACET.
ReplyDeleteI had hood before ROOF and Oh wow before OH GEE, but those were my only writeovers. And I did recognize the term TONE ARM.
Thanks for the fun Sunday morning experience, Randolph!
I generally look upon anyone’s efforts with as much grace as possible having been rejected by the NYT a few times now but MAN OH MAN i thought this was the pits. Totally agree w Rex that the theme had a super weak pay-off and the clueing was forced. Despite that, it was also somehow strangely easy. (A ding against, in my book.) Really not a fun time. Blerg.
ReplyDeleteLost my modest streak on this one thanks to stupid TONEARM which I'd never heard of before despite experiencing the end of the non-ironic record player era prior to both its overlap with the shameful cassette era (1986-89) and the Great CD Takedown of 1990.
ReplyDeleteEven as a little feller, I had a pretty solid run, assembling a solid near-crateful of LPs by age 12 that ran from Rick Springfield's Working Class Dog through David Lee Roth's Eat 'Em and Smile. The latter, by the way, was notable because the disc's label was a photo of David Lee Roth in his silly witch doctor get-up, such that the PEG went through his nose. Very funny if you're 12! Ah, that Dave...
But the point is, I had more than enough time to absorb the home music scene of the day to have come across this term "tonearm" and I'm telling you, never. Not once! And as I look at industry sketches of record player components... I don't think I used any of these names!
THEY SAY => I SAY
spindle...... peg
platter...... turntable
plinth...... uh, the record player
stylus...... the needle
tonearm...... still the needle!
I guess I remember some people saying "dust cover" or "shell" for the transparent lid thing. So maybe thats the exception. Tonearm..... psh.Show me your...
BRIGHT LIGHTS!!! (and your...)
CITY LIGHT!S!! (alright...)
I'm in love with my Yankee Rose...
The stylus is the needle, the needle sits in the cartridge and the cartridge sits in the tone arm. All separate discrete upgradeable components of a turntable. I'm an old HiFi need, I even call a casette player a casette deck
DeleteThe puzzle was a breeze, and lots of fun for this one-time Lit. major.
ReplyDeleteWhat the blankety-blank does Sam E think he's doing with the pangrams the last two days? C'mon, man.
On both today's and yesterday's, the final word needed to get to Queen Bee was a pangram, which you will easily guess if you know the solution. Finding them felt like real victories. But yeah, I know what you mean.
DeleteTIL garrote is preferred to garrotte in the US. Not only that but in the UK garotte with one R might be acceptable but the T is *always* doubled.
ReplyDeletethe eternal mystery of what pleases Rex continues... stay tuned! theme answers were pretty good fill so/so still a good groaner answers do accurately fit the puzzle title/theme
ReplyDeleteI fucking hated this puzzle. The theme is easy and bad, but the bigger problem was personal. It essentially took me 1/3 of my time to do the entire puzzle except the very SW corner, 1/3 just to get INATRICE and TONEARMS, and 1/3 to find a single error. Guh.
ReplyDeleteI’m with Rex. This blew, and I’m OLD.
ReplyDeleteI’m old. I have also been reading @Rex since 2007 (as a lurker) and commenting off and on, and sometimes frequently for quite a few years now. In all this time, I have learned that @Rex Does. Not. Like. Puns. Period. Or at least he dislikes this type of plain old wacky wordplay pun. To each his own, right?
ReplyDeleteI take issue though with his argument that this puzzle shouldn’t have been accepted. Whether it plays old or not, this is exactly the style of puzzle that has been a hallmark of NYT Sundays literally for longer than @Rex has been alive. Apparently today’s style still sells papers. Or at least games subscriptions. Only the Times gets to decide on its editorial policies. These policies can change, and have changed. Earlier this week several of our neighbors here commented on all of the previously taboo words that are now acceptable in the puzzle. But the puzzles must have solvers who enjoy the “program” enough to pay for it.
Fact: without subscribers, The Gray Lady dies. All of the editorial departments must balance their respective responsibilities with the need to sell papers. This includes the games editors.
The Sunday crossword began in 1942. In 1952, crosswords were gaining wider popularity, and the NYT began to publish a puzzle every day. For at least the 70 years I’ve been watching and then solving, the regular subscribers have expected a certain format: Monday through Wednesday, easier usually themed puzzles, gradually becoming more difficult each day. By Thursday, we expect a theme with some sort of more complex twist: a rebus, grid art, some sort-of “grid picture,” etc. The trick cupboard might contain just about anything (as we’ve seen lately). Friday and Saturday are themeless. Saturdays used to be much more difficult than they have been lately, may e subscription numbers are down? I miss the more difficult Saturdays.
On Sunday, subscribers expect a big fat themed grid full of just about any trick imaginable and containing some humor. Often (in my 60+ years’ experience), the humor level is pretty juvenile. So what, we still repeat the awful Dad jokes our kids tell us.
Folks expect and apparently continue to pay for this same publication regimen. Other papers and publications do different things. @Rex often recommends other puzzles when he becomes aware of something particularly noteworthy. I appreciate his recommendations.
I am a huge believer in Ye Olde First Amendment. I don’t object to @Rex sharing his dislike for a puzzle, but I strongly disagree with his conclusory statement that this or any puzzle is not worthy of acceptance, period. I love the traditional silly Sunday as much as I love being challenged during the week when we have one (or more) offerings full of current pop music, internet abbreviations and especially current (and in my opinion abominable) trends in language usage. Only yesterday I expressed my (likely unpopular) opinion about kids’ current penchant for truncating words. In casual speech, it still irks me, but ok. However, kids are including internet spelling and incomplete words in written work at school; it drives English teachers crazy. I know, because my son-in-law is one and it does. I also believe to my core that we owe better education to our kids. I strongly believe that we need to help them get ready to “be” adults and this requires them to be able to communicate appropriately in a wide variety of situations.
I also know that my opinions cannot alone govern what the NYT accepts as a good puzzle. Nor can @Rex’s. This was a classic Sunday puzzle. It would still have been a classic Sunday if the puns were about rap and it took me all day to figure them out or even if I DNFd because of my lack of familiarity with the subject. I would still have enjoyed the puzzle - and I would have learned a lot - a chief reason I adore crosswords.
So, some days, OFL, you just gotta accept that you’re not actually the arbiter of what The Gray Lady deems acceptable, even if you are the King of CrossWorld.
It's late and you may not see this, but Newsday's Saturday Stumpers (free) are as challenging as the NYT Saturdays used to be.
ReplyDeleteThank you! I didn't know of those and plan to check them out.
DeleteThanks @pabloinnh 8:59PM. I’m already a fan but wanted to add another hand up for Newsday’s Saturday Stumpers. They are so much like the Saturday NYT ones that had me staring in a solute awe as my Gran solved - on paper and in ink! I will never forget the Saturday I completed my first Saturday solo - not saying there were no erasures or overwrites, but I did it, no cheats. Anyway, cheating was much harder before the internet. The answers weren’t published until the next day. Accordingly, by the time I was in high school, still learning and not always solving with Gran every day, I would sometimes solve in the library where I could look things up.
DeleteSome days Rex takes the crossword way too seriously. This is one of those days. No one should spend this much time raging over some stupid puns and a little French... I mean did we really need to bust out a heat map LOL. Truly being the "King of Crossword" comes with a heavy crown!
ReplyDeleteI have my PhD in English, focusing on renaissance drama (Shakespeare and his contemporaries). I was so excited by the title of the puzzle. Then the themers reminded me that all life is suffering
ReplyDeleteI didn't mind the Shakespeare puns at all. I'm old enough (63) that Wally Schirra was on the periphery of my consciousness, not totally obscure but certainly more in reach than some 'influencer'. & ABASe has a different meaning from ABASH, so that wasn't a dealbreaker for me either.
ReplyDeleteBut the rest of the puzzle was truly awful. I may have even owned a TREO at one point, but I see no need to remember it. Bah.
INATRICE is not standard American English; It’s apparently a thing in Britain. It would be helpful if puzzle constructors learned something about the words they dredge from the internet for fill, so that they can give proper guidance to solvers. I don’t think it’s too much to expect that INATRICE should have been clued with a reference to the continent where it is being, or has been, used.
ReplyDeletewhat an annoying puzzle
ReplyDeleteNo, señor simpático.
ReplyDeleteFunny theme. The rest was fine as long as you love lots of black squares.
Never heard of a GARROTE as I've never seen The Godfather movies, but Wikipedia makes it seem like a lot of fun.
Frère Jacques is the most important song ever written for future guitarists. My cat's opinion of my body: U SOFA.
Biggest trouble for me was SCHIRRA. Never heard of HALAS either. Great phrases that aren't grown up enough to be uniclue worthy: LADIES TEE TANGO and HIDDEN FIBS and ECONOFLOAT DAD.
😩 EELIER. THEI.
People: 17
Places: 5
Products: 9
Partials: 14
Foreignisms: 5
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Gary's Grid Gunk Gauge: 50 of 140 (36%)
Funny Factor: 7 🙂
Tee-Hee: LUBE.
Uniclues:
1 Result of scratching rude epithets on the doors of electric vehicles.
2 Emulate your boss.
1 TESLAS AWL WORSE OFF
2 EXUDE STRESSOR (~)
My Fascinating Crossword Uniclue Keepsake from Two Years Ago: Love dangerously outside Braşov. SNOG DRAC.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
EELIER - no. absolutely not. MEANY - I have a prayer for this spelling but otherwise no. FRERE I did have a childhood flashback and liked this one. and TREO, well I was a big TREO fan back in the day. it changed my life to have my PDA - ya know, a PDA - in my phone all the time - before the iphone became full featured, but even superfan that I was forgot that it was TREO instead of TRIO.
ReplyDeleteThis one was rough. And.as someone with a lit MA, I cringed at the Shakespear bungles.
I liked the puzzle. I don’t like intellectual snobs.
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