Saturday, September 6, 2025

Unseen wife on "Cheers" / SAT 9-6-25 / Ancient home to many pre-Socratic philosophers / Free kick, e.g., in soccer lingo / Sea creature also known as a redfin ocean pan / Bread whose dough is rolled on a chakla / 19th century naturalist buried in Westminster Abbey / Down Under colleges

Constructor: Kunal Nabar

Relative difficulty: Easy (a little harder, maybe, if some of the many proper nouns were mysteries)


THEME: none 

Word of the Day: SET PIECE (16D: Free kick, e.g., in soccer lingo) —

  
The term set piece or set play is used in association football and rugby football to refer to a situation when the ball is returned to open play, for example following a stoppage, particularly in a forward area of the pitch. In association football, the term usually refers to free kicks and corners, but sometimes penaltiesthrow-ins and kick-offs. Many goals result from such positions, whether scored directly or indirectly. Thus defending set pieces is an important skill for defenders, and attacking players spend much time practicing them; set pieces are one area where tactics and routines can be worked out in training in advance of matches. Some players specialize in set pieces. (wikipedia)
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The big challenge of the day for me was trying to remember what Octavia Butler's middle initial was. Unlike Ursula K. LeGuin, another titan of science fiction, Octavia Butler's middle initial isn't as commonly used when referring to her. The "K" in Ursula K. LeGuin is iconic, whereas the "E." in OCTAVIA E. BUTLER is ... less so. Still, she is in fact billed as OCTAVIA E. BUTLER on her books (and her wikipedia page), so there's nothing wrong with including the middle initial here. I just whiffed it. I know Butler's name well and have read at least a couple of books by her and just could not retrieve her middle initial. When OCTAVIA BUTLER wouldn't fit, I briefly doubted whether she was the author in question or not, despite the fact that I had the "OC-" locked down, and what other author's name starts that way? OK, Ocean Vuong, but what other author? It's not like the "E" was hard to get—I could see the cross was likely -ERN (56D: Directional suffix)—but when I could hardly get any crosses off of OCTAVIA_BUTLER, that made me doubt myself all over again. ARTS and BEG and TIT seemed solid, as far as crosses went, but I came up empty everywhere else and had to go back to the NE and come down the east and middle of the grid in order to get the bottom of this puzzle to fall. Once I did, the bottom actually fell pretty easily. But yeah, trying to round that corner from the west into the south by way of "OC-" was the one moment where the wheels came off for a bit. I wouldn't classify it as a true struggle. More like a momentary delay, the significance of which was amplified by the fact that I hadn't had any delays at all with the first half of the solve (north and west sections). The upshot of all this is "E!" OCTAVIA E. BUTLER. "E" as in "Everybody knows that, dummy" (actually, it stands for "Estelle"). 


OCTAVIA E. BUTLER is the standout marquee answer today, imho. OPEN MARRIAGES, also interesting! I don't think all OPEN MARRIAGES involve "swinging," but "swinging" is mentioned as a "variant form" of open marriage on the "Open marriage" wikipedia page. I really don't want to get too far into the sex weeds on this one. I'll leave the sex weeds to you all. The clue seems accurate enough, and, as misdirections go, pretty clever. For the second day in a row, though, I wish the marquee stuff were ... more marqueeish. Actually, the more I look at the bottom stack, the better it looks. SILENT RETREAT has a lot of boring letters, but as an answer, it's cool and original. And TALKING HEADS is excellent; it just has a boring clue. Why would you go with "TV panelists" (zzz) when you could go with...


The proper nouns come thick and heavy early on, with VERA EMEKA KINTE and STEF all teaming up to cover enough cultural ground to thwart the \ forward progress of as many solvers as possible, at least a little. My familiarity with that group went from VERA (a gimme) to STEF (total unknown), with KINTE and EMEKA in between. KINTE was known to me, though I was not 100% confident of the spelling (KENTE?). And EMEKA Okafor is a name I've heard just by watching ESPN a lot 10 to 20 years ago, but even more than with KINTE (much more than KINTE, in fact), the spelling eluded me. Luckily, none of these names really held me up, as I went SHARK OPAH VERA, then changed JAMS (wrong) to MOBS (right) (1D: Packs), and those long Acrosses up top went down pretty easily. Wanted BARE NECESSITIES, but it wouldn't fit. But the ESSENTIALS went right in as my second guess, and the wine-dark SEA confirmed it, and so whoosh whoosh, down and left I went. Blocked at OCT- (as I've said) so back up top, down via SLEEPWEAR, and all the way home without much fuss. So many short answers and so many access points for every section made this one easy to bring down.

[DISCS]

Bullets:
  • 45A: Jazz fest? (NBA GAME) — the "?" made it a gimme. "So ... it's not musical jazz ... what other 'jazz' is there?" A: Utah Jazz. Clue, solved.
  • 2D: Sea creature also known as a redfin ocean pan (OPAH) — first of all, SEA is in the grid, so probably shouldn't be in this clue. Second, crossword fish to rescue! Sometimes crosswordese really helps you out, and that that telltale "H" in OPAH (which came from yet another sea creature, the SHARK) gave me a huge initial boost. OPAH is in prime position—with all its letters near the beginnings of all the long answers up top—so getting that answer was way more valuable than getting, say, TGIF (also a four-letter cross of all those upper answers, but in a far less useful position). OPAH WINFREY, is that something? Where's that theme? Where's the celebrity fish theme!? (actually, it's probably been done, or at least attempted ... somewhere)
  • 24D: Subject of trade that gave rise to St. Louis and Detroit (FUR) — "Subject" really threw me for some reason. If the clue had just started [Trade...] I probably would've gotten it easier. Or not. At some point I was thinking of a sports trade (which makes no real sense) and then I was thinking about ... I dunno, the Louisiana Purchase, which wasn't really a "trade" at all, but more of a ... purchase (also, while the Louisiana Purchase included what is now St. Louis, it did not include Detroit). Anyway, the FUR trade, yes, that was a very big deal, economically, in early America.
  • 39D: Bread whose dough is rolled on a chakla (CHAPATI) — me: "I don't know any Indian breads with a name that long!" Me, a little bit later: "Oh, CHAPATI! Hey, sorry I forgot about you, pal." I thought I was tapped out at NAAN and ROTI, but no, CHAPATI (also PARATHA and PAPADAM, if I'd been thinking clearly) (and those are just the ones *I* know—obviously there are lots (lots) more)
  • 50A: "People are wrong when they say ___ is not what it used to be. It is what it used to be. That is what's wrong with it": Noël Coward ("OPERA") — I had the terminal "A," and since Noël Coward is a dramatist, I figured ... DRAMA. But no. But then, unexpectedly, elsewhere in the grid: yes! (32D: Much "Real Housewives" doings). Love when that happens. Such an eerie feeling.
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127 comments:

  1. Anonymous3:07 AM

    Tbh thought I might not finish this one! Kept wanting TICKETTAKERS but finally cracked open the top and it came easy enough after that!!

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  2. A proper Saturday, at least for me. Difficult but not impossible. Liked it a lot. No consistent tone to it so I had to keep pivoting from dumb but still somewhat appropriate stuff like MAMABIRD to precise terms like EDEDMAS and back to NBA GAME.

    Helped out up top by having just read an article about “Famous Literary Relationships” and being somewhat surprised by how many of them were “open”. (Virginia Woolf, Leonard Woolf, and Vita Sackville-West; Jean-Paul Sartre and Simone de Beauvoir, for example). So 13A wasn’t as tough as it might have been.

    Lots of write overs. Wanted lifE ESSENTIALS before BARE ones and tried some sort of guests at 59A, but this kind of scrambling about can actually be kind of fun. Even putting in OPERA at 50A, taking it out, and then putting it back in didn’t faze me. Am I just in a good mood?

    My last entry was, of course, OCTAVIA E BUTLER. I don’t read sci-fi so I needed all the crosses. But I got the dreaded “you’ve f**ked up somewhere” message. Started panicking. Which cross of this unknown (to me) author was wrong? None of them, actually. I just had a fat-finger typo at SETPIECE (16D). Easily fixed. I’m still claiming victory.

    Thanks, Kunal. I enjoyed the struggle.

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    1. Agred, and I like your typo above on EDEMAS as EDEDMAS – As a flithy minded Spanish speaker I immediately went to Ed's lover in the throes of passion yelling ED, ED, MÁS!

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    2. Should I be sorry about that typo? Sounds pretty good to me. :-)

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    3. Les S More
      About typos, especially in the Times app, what I intended to put in is what counts. Also , I find the app very annoying. It seems designed to make people like fat fingered me go nuts, as if it intentionally changes letters to the wrong ones !

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  3. Easy-medium but it seemed tougher, mostly because OCTAVIA E BUTLER, CHAPATI, STEF, FUR, SET PIECE, and EMEKA were all WOEs.

    No costly erasures was helpful.

    No junk, no cringes, ample sparkle, liked it.

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  4. Anonymous4:51 AM

    The write-up belies the Easy rating.

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  5. Medium, about what I expect on a Saturday.

    Overwrites:
    1A: My largE scrEen tv helps me see the big picture, but it's singular. So it became big screen tvs. That didn't work because "Big" was in the clue. So I waited for crosses and finally got MOVIE TICKETS.
    The scales and olive branch might have belonged to the aba, not the IRS (7D)
    Wine-dark Sky before SEA at 12D
    I thought a 19A chicken might shout "run!" but it turns out they shout "EEK!"
    CHallah before CHAPATI for the bread at 39D
    SCEPTer before SCEPTRE for the Rod at 40D

    WOEs:
    EMEKA Okafor at 5D
    SET PIECE (16D) as clued
    STEF Dawson at 18A
    At 51D, I've heard of ELEA (probably from crosswords) but I needed every cross
    OCTAVIA E. BUTLER at 54A (Hi, @Les S. More)

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    1. So many of the same write overs today - and all the same woes. Not easy but I enjoyed it.

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    2. Anonymous10:40 AM

      Mused that the "scales and olive branch" might be the DOJ, though the scales are way out of balance these days. Renaming DOD to Dept of WAR might be a precursor of things to come: Dept of War (on Justice), Dept of War (on Health), yikes!

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  6. A properly difficult Saturday for me. EMEKA and STEF were WOEs, as was OCTAVIA BUTLER's middle initial, and I misspelled it as CHAPiTI at first, which threw me. And why does the clue for KNITS include "after a break"? KNITS is perfectly clued as "Unites"; that I ended up going in as the last box I filled in. More struggle than usual--which is just right for a Saturday.

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    1. As when your broken bones heal.

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  7. Anonymous6:49 AM

    Bright spot in a year of dull Saturdays.

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  8. Liked it for the most part - the open stacks are daunting at first but the short downs were inviting enough. I’ve read the Patternist books so knew BUTLER with the E cold. All six longs were wonderful.

    I’m cleaning. I’m cleaning again

    The overall fill diminishes with the mid length and short stuff. INERTIA, SET PIECE and SCEPTRE were fun - but keep others like the brutal EDEMAS plural and AMNESIACS. Roots shout out is neat.

    Skinny PUPPY

    Enjoyable Saturday morning solve. Matt Sewell has another fantastic Stumper today - you’ll have fun.

    DRAMArama

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  9. Bob Mills6:52 AM

    Needed cheats in the NW to get OPAH and EMEKA, and in the lower half (where I had "challah" instead of CHAPATI, which made OCTAVIAEBUTLER impossible to get). Good puzzle, except shouldn't SHARK be clued as a fish, not as an animal?

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    1. Are fish not animals?

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    2. Anonymous2:49 PM

      Never change, bob

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    3. Jacke3:20 PM

      I've encountered this bizarre usage before. OED has it as a usage note at 1b: "In ordinary or non-technical use: any such living organism other than a human being. (Frequently applied specifically to a mammal, as opposed to a bird, reptile, fish, etc.)", but gives only one source for this: "2004 'Unique to Australia, the platypus (Ornithorhynchus anatinus) is an extraordinary mixture of reptile, bird and animal.' K. Stepnell & D. Newman, Australian Animals 45".

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    4. JazzmanChgo8:17 PM

      The platypus is a monotreme, classified as a separate order of mammals. Never heard of a plural for "edema," though.

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  10. Anonymous7:03 AM

    A solid medium Saturday. Really enjoyed the twists and turns of this one.

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  11. Anonymous7:06 AM

    23 minutes for me. Medium, or just on the medium-challenging side of medium for me, I think. "challenging" on Saturday means I didn't finish it without cheating, and I did finish this one. But all the proper nouns up top got me. And all I could think of was mola for that fish until much later when the H came into view and I dredged OPAH up from my crossword brain. Funny how the little things can get you, you know? I need to learn to get ALL the information from the clue up front.... confidently put in SCEPTer and kept working and nothing would come together down in the S--finally saw it HAD to be BUTLER and suddenly remembered that a British SCEPTer would be a SCEPTRE! probably lost 5 minutes on that one mistake. Great puzzle and tough workout for me this morning, thanks, Kunal!

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  12. Ese es el problema.

    Not for me. Probably just my attitude. Plenty of goodness, but the unknown people overwhelmed the humor and the flashy long entries. Finished surprisingly fast, so at least there's that.

    I checked out an Octavia E. Butler book from the library knowing nothing about her and we'll see. I've finished Tom Lake and Crime and Punishment this month, so why not add a sci-fi to the genre bending.

    People: 7
    Places: 1
    Products: 3
    Partials: 8
    Foreignisms: 1
    --
    Gary's Grid Gunk Gauge: 20 of 68 (29%)

    Funny Factor: 8 🤣

    Tee-Hee: TIT.

    Uniclues:

    1 Musical reminding parents to send snacks to school.
    2 Radical sign.

    1 PTA GORP OPERA
    2 MOBS AMPED UP

    My Fascinating Crossword Uniclue Keepsake from Last Year: Those meeting for mid-morning music time in the children's section of Jamaican libraries. BABY SKA BANDS.

    ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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  13. I gave a mental cheer when this one pushed back today! The grid design pulled me in right away with the black corners and the triple stacks. Good word play too! Really liked “things you can’t do without” and “swing states” yielding BARE ESSENTIALS AND OPEN MARRIAGES next to each other. Also enjoyed the juxtaposition of SILENT RETREAT and TALKING HEADS down at the bottom.

    Maybe not a Saturday “grinder” of old, but a very satisfying Saturday for me without a ton of old chestnuts. We did get to see the old EEO. Hope it isn’t really a thing of the past. That one gave me a frisson of dread.

    Hearty congratulations to Kunar Nabar! After the way too easy offerings of late, this was such a welcome bit of a challenge.

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    1. Thanks for reminding me of that lovely contrast between the TALKING HEADS and the SILENT RETREAT. That was good.

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  14. Anonymous7:20 AM

    Naticked at the P of GORP/CHAPATI - unfortunate end to an otherwise fun puzzle

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    1. Anonymous12:41 PM

      Whats worse is i never heard of OCTAVIA midfle initial whoever she is which narrowed that space to 26 possibilities. GORP?What on earth is that

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    2. Anonymous1:52 PM

      Yes, same here.

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    3. Anonymous about GORP
      Interesting that this word, so well known by baby boomers, was unknown to at least 2 commenters. Is it going out of use by younger people? Anyway , not an obscure word if common knowledge to one or two generations of people.

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  15. Hard to get going, medium thereafter. My entry was NAE, after testing Noo, but I felt confident about EARL. But I shortly had to give up on that area and restart at DARWIN, after which things went fairly smoothly.

    CHAllah before CHAPATI, ELiA before ELEA were the only other overwrites.

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  16. Anonymous7:45 AM

    NOVEL grid shape today.

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  17. It looked somewhat promising up north, where the grid spanners saved the day - MOVIE TICKETS and BARE ESSENTIALS were both pretty reasonable.

    Quite a different story down south. This one really drove home just how much of a difference there is in solving skills between Rex and a mere mortal like myself - he’s kicking himself because he couldn’t remember OCTAVIA BUTLER‘s middle initial, while I felt like I got run over my a freight train (actually I feel like one of those cartoon characters that gets run over by one of those big steel rollers that they use to tar roads and I had to peel myself up off of the street). It’s extra tough when you need every single cross for an entry on a Saturday when crosses are difficult to come by.

    A couple of the other clues seemed a little weird to me - a chicken that goes EEK, for example. The clue for ALAI sounds off as well - just give us the game with the pelota thing and leave well enough alone.

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    1. "Chicken" here means "scaredy-cat".

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    2. Anonymous8:15 AM

      Think chicken as in fraidy-cat.

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  18. Anonymous7:46 AM

    Very nice puzzle. No crosswordese to speak of. Started out thinking it would be challenging but then the bottom half came together fairly quickly and filled in from there. When the long answers click the puzzle goes quick. Ended up with a time 20% below average for a Saturday but despite that the puzzle's difficulty was absolutely appropriate. I really liked the juxtapositions of silent and talking as well as open marriages and bare essentials. Kudos to the constructor.

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    1. Anonymous8:24 AM

      I too liked the puzzle but ELEA and ALAI and NAE are definitely crosswordese to speak of 🙃

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  19. An uber-sweet moment in my solve was totally unintended by Kunal. But first, a few observations.

    No-knows. I want them in my Saturday puzzle. Overcoming no-knows is a great source of satisfaction, and there were three for me today.

    Beauty. CLASS ACT, INERTIA, CHAPATI, SCEPTRE, BRINK.

    Spark. New answers, with their never-seen-before clues, bring verve, bring NOVEL stuff for the brain to work on, and keep same-old away. Of the six answers in those two big stacks, five are NYT debuts.

    Thus, ample loveliness in the box today!

    Okay, that uber-sweet moment. For [Unites after a break], I already had _NITS, and when UNITS hit me I OMGed ten times over, drop-jawed over the cleverness of that clue. Here, the letter E takes a break from “unites” to form “units”, making the clue – a perfect description of re-uniting, -- a stupendous misdirect.

    Well, I was wrong, of course. Hello KNITS. But that brush with supreme cleverness, even though never intended, brought a huge high.

    That was icing on top of so much goodness already in your jewel of a puzzle, Kunal. Thank you!

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    1. Now you’ve got me wondering what your no-knows are…

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    2. Stillwell9:55 AM

      uNITS! Same! I thought, “What fun, a sort of semi-Cryptic clue!”

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    3. Wow, that would be a great clue for uNITS! Glad I didn't think of it - that would've been STINKy. ;)

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    4. Lewis & A
      About uNITS
      I did put that in first and thought I was so clever! It certainly delayed the solve.

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  20. Also lovely was the serendipity of all those schwa-enders in and within answers: EDEMA, OPERA, OPAH, VERA, INERTIA, EMEKA, DRAMA, ELEA, MAMA, OCTAVIA. Schwa de vivre!

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  21. Hey All !
    I found this puz nigh impossible without cheats. Holy GORP, after 20 minutes I had maybe 10 answers in, staring at scads of white space which seemed to be mocking me. Looked up EMEKA, which broke open the NW. (Also looked up STEF)

    Glad that Rex knew Ms. BUTLER, cause I didn't, and could not get hardly anything in the entire South of puz. So, even though I usually don't like looking up long answers, I relented, and Googed for her. Still had a tough time finishing puz. And see Rex rates it Easy. Hah!

    DNF with GORb/CHAbATI. Isn't CHAbATI a type of bread? *Goes back to Goog* Ah, I was thinking of CIABATTA. CHAPATI, CIABATTA, TOMAYTO, TOMAHTO.

    So a nice, tough, had to Goog puz, that had me let out an EEK or two. Time for me to TAKE TEN and recover. 😁

    Have a great Saturday!

    Two F's
    RooMonster
    DarrinV

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    1. RooMonster
      I agree. Very tough puzzle.
      I finished the puzzle but it took me an hour & one half! I am retired. You have a life to lead so I can understand your lookups.
      I had no clue about CHAPATI but GORP is a gimme for Boomers like me

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  22. Hello everyone in the CHALLAH before CHAPATI club, and happy to be in such fine company. Did that slow things down? Well, that and not knowing OLIVIAEBUTLER. Would that I had only not known the E, which was a gimme.

    Big soccer/football/futbol fan here so SETPIECE went right in. I don't think of Jai Alai as a "game" or of a MAMABIRD as "preparing" eggs but I'll give them the benefit of Joaquin's Dictum, who is someone I miss very much. Didn't know STEF and why did it take me so long to see TGIF? Probably because I'm retired.

    And hello and thank you to old friend OPAH. Would still be working on the top of this one without you.

    I'd call this a proper Saturday and felt good about finishing it. Knew Nothing about some of the clues (good stuff KN), and always nice to learn something (SHARKS are born with teeth? EEK). Thanks for all the fun.

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    1. @Pabloinnh. And … the clue for TGIF doesn’t indicate that it’s an initialism.

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    2. Anonymous10:42 AM

      Yep, got hung up on challah!

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    3. pabloinnh
      Had almost exactly the same reaction as you. Saved from a dnf by OPAH also! A really helpful old friend. Never even heard of the author, never mind her middle initial. GORP told me to forget CHAllah.

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  23. GORP? Don’t know her. Is that midwestern or something?

    TALKING HEADS clue was classic Gen X erasure that OFL should be used to by now.

    This one wasn’t my cup of tea.

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    1. Glen Laker8:47 AM

      I was about to give Anonymous 7:20 grief for not knowing GORP, but I guess it’s not as common as I thought. Granola, Oats, Raisins and Peanuts. Hiking staple food.

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    2. @Christopher XLI 8:06 AM
      Out west we called it trail mix. And as a Gen-Xer the idea of being erased made me laugh. Growing up next to the blast furnace of Boomer egoism meant we were just fine not being noticed.

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    3. Thanks! I knew what GORP was but wasn't aware it's an acronym.

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    4. Anonymous10:30 AM

      Our phrase for the acronym was Good Ol' Raisins and Peanuts. I wonder what other variants are out there!

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    5. Our west in California backpacking in the Sierras in the '70s, we did indeed call that awful mixture gorp.

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    6. About GORP second comment Christopher XLI & Gary Jugert et al
      When I saw the anonymous comments, I immediately realized it was an age thing. Another reminder that I am old, 73. Adding to my list of words/ names that are gimmes to Boomers and mostly unknown to others!
      BTW Gary
      Whatever contribution we Boomers may have given to the world is being systematically erased by our Boomer dictator in chief. So I don’t see much to be proud of!

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  24. Coprophagist8:34 AM

    How long before EEO has to be used in the past tense. Not long, I fear, under this administration.

    The real names Octavia Butler, Stef and Emeka were all unknowns, but Kinte was my first entry. Can't believe how many commenters have forgotten the name of the man whose first name will never be in the NYTX.

    Gorp and Elea also unknowns , but all fair crosses

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  25. More medium than easy for me, with the bottom stack much more accessible than the top. On the bottom, maybe the most perplexing thing was why CHAllah wasn't working; it must have been TALKING HEADS that finally set me straight. And the old tip-of-the-tongue for ELEA; I was thinking "Zeno of ..., now what was that again?" but couldn't quite get there without crosses.

    As for the top half, I had a few questions and issues. KNITS: that K took me ages to see, and now is this usage supposed to be a term of art in the fiber arts, or is it more straightforwardly definitional? I never heard of "knitting a marriage", for example. What does "break" mean here? And speaking of marriages: I whiffed by writing in OPEN cARRIAGES at first, not having a clue about that basketball player (but in the end, my EcEKA looked like a suspiciously wrong string of characters, so that got sorted out). The cluing for MOVIE TICKETS seemed fairly misdirectional (I was thinking more those 3D glasses, or binoculars, or something), since the ticket has more to do with entering than literal "seeing", but okay. But now TGIF for "cry"??? Does anyone actually cry out "T.G.I.F."?? ("Thank God It's Friday!", sure -- that can be a cry.) There should have been some indication that we're dealing with an initialism, as opposed to an acronym pronounced like a word. Finally, I had no idea what's going on with ALAI. I'll have to google it (or duckduckgo it, whatever) after I post.

    But overall, cool puzzle. Good bit of crunch, like a good handful of GORP to get me started on my Saturday.

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    1. I thought of KNITS in relation to broken bones "reuniting".

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    2. Anonymous10:56 AM

      Broken bones KNIT together as they heal, at least that's how I "grokked" it.

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    3. The game's name consists of two words, Jai and ALAI. The words rhyme.

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    4. @jb - I saw your reply after I submitted my question below - Duh on me! At least you gave me a delayed “aha moment “ today. Thanks for the clarification.

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    5. @jberg Ah, thanks. I was reading the clue inflexibly, as referring perhaps to some rhyming game that children play, with rules and all. That was bone-headed.

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  26. Niallhost9:13 AM

    Even after all this time, I start with Eoe instead of EEO because I think "equal opportunity employer" and yet I'm usually wrong. Or am I always wrong? Is it sometimes Eoe?

    Very little pushback on the puzzle today. A couple of false starts but nothing to KNIT the brow. 20:32

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  27. Will Shortz: Do you think it's wise to have EEO and EEK in the same puzzle?
    Kunal Nabar: I like EE, OK?

    Mrs. Egs: Welp, Egs, it's our marriage night and we're finally alone together. What should we do?
    Egs: I like to OPENMARRIAGES with a bang!
    Mrs. Egs: Honey, I thought I was marrying a dignified and gracious sort, but you really put the ASS in CLASSACT.

    I've EATEN at TGIF. I LAIDINTO some OPAH on CHAPATI there as I recollect. Of course I normally like to TAKETEN before I've EATEN. Otherwise I get tense.

    I thought this was a really nice, pretty tough Saturday. Thanks, Kunal Nabar.

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  28. Anonymous9:24 AM

    Disappointing how many people on here have never heard of OCTAVIA E. BUTLER. I read her novel Kindred about 15-20 years ago and went on to read all of her novels and short stories over the next several years. She’s one of my favorite authors (along with Ursula K. Le Guin), so seeing her name in the grid was nice. Butler died fairly young (59, I think), or she would have written more. I’d highly recommend all her books, but Kindred along with Parable of the Sower/Parable of the Talents are among her best.

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  29. Unpleasant barrage of names. Ugh.

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  30. I had an almost open northeast section of the grid while the rest of the puzzle was complete. Has no idea about "opah" so tried "bass" - add in "aba" instead of "irs", well, no joy. "Emeka" is not a name I can guess from some acrosses, but I eventually remembered "Vera" and things started to fall in place. Still faster than my average Saturday (under 20) but challenging NE for me.

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  31. Based on the number of people mentioning GORP, it has been long enough since the last discussion to post this explanation:

    There are two primary camps: one arguing for “good ol' raisins and peanuts” and the other “granola, oats, raisins, peanuts.” But a 1913 reference in the Oxford English Dictionary defines the word “gorp” as a verb meaning “to eat greedily,” which sounds pretty appropriate.

    Conversely, should MARTINI come up again, please hold off on definitions/recipes for at least 18 months:)

    TALKINGHEADS: I also prefer the group, but that turns it into a proper noun. As clued is pretty good, although I don’t like watching anything featuring them.

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      People invent (false) etymologies all the time. One of the most common false ones. are acronyms. I haven’t looked it up , but the odds are very much against GORP arising from an acronym. Acronym etymologies are entertaining and repeated endlessly so sometimes it is hard to be sure what is false or not. But they usually sound forced to me. Someone heard the word GORP and invented an acronym. On the other hand, snafu is a rare case where everyone agrees on the acronym origin. And the phrase sounds unforced

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  32. Phil W9:42 AM

    GORP?? What the heck is GORP?

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    1. Look at the comment right above yours;)

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  33. waryoptimist9:54 AM

    Good Saturday solve, clever clues on the long answers made it enjoyable. Friday feel
    Quick finish for me - zipped thought the acrosses at the top and almost ready to move on to gain some traction when I hit 17A and filled in SHARK - somehow I knew or guessed from the "teeth" part of the clue. Took a look at the downs and, after OPAH VERA EMEKA TAS IRS KINTE EATEN, I got the acrosses and was off and running. Unlike OFL, I spent maybe one second on OCTAVIA's middle initial. Had to get CHAPATI from crosses, but otherwise no resistance. Not real close to PR, but not that far either.

    MAMABIRD was a favorite

    I was researching SILENTRETREATs last night online, but haven't decided on making one. The problem isn't being silent for a weekend, but whether my attention span is up to the challenge

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  34. Had ?OVIET??K??? for awhile at 1A and was thinking “they can’t possibly be going SOVIET something here, can they” :)

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  35. Andrew Z.10:03 AM

    Never heard of any of the proper names before. Throw in obscure junk like GORP, ELEA, and OPAH, plus regular junk like EEO, TAS, and UNIS, and you wind up with a lousy puzzle. Yuck!

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  36. Jeremy S10:11 AM

    Yeah, that TALKING HEADS clue stopped making sense.

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  37. I have read many books by LeGuin and she is a titan in the field. I had never heard of Bulter till now. I’m a big sci-fi reader so I will check her out. But I doubt she qualifies as a titan in the field.

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      What drama! I wonder if this person will return upon discovering that Butler qualifies as a titan of the field... Among other recognitions, the first ever posthumous Grand Master.

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  38. I finally got my wife to agree to an OPEN MARRIAGE but no one else will have us.

    Sex weed, RP? That sounds like what you get when someone laces your marijuana with an aphrodisiac.

    I was trying to reach my friend Arnie Sexauer a while ago, so I called the firm I thought he worked for. The receptionist answered and I said "Arnold Sexauer please." She said, "Can you repeat that?" I said "Yes, I'm looking for Arnold Sexauer -- does he work there?" She said, "I'm sorry, we must have a bad connection, can you repeat that name?" So I shouted into the phone "Sexauer! Sexauer! Do you have a Sexauer there?" and she said "Are you kidding me -- we don't even get a coffee break."

    (Sorry if I've told that here before. I suffer from CRS -- can't remember s**t.)

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  39. Even with a big cheat, I DNFed. From the crosses, I guessed that BUTLER was the last name of the sci-fi author and found her name on the internet. I read quite a bit but not sci-fi. But, I couldn't get the strip along the left side. I wanted CHECKERS to be TAXIS. Never heard that Australians called universities UNIS. I've seen "EMCEES" but not "MCS."





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  40. Anonymous10:31 AM

    I found this one to be VERY hard- finished, but just barely. I'm glad I'm not alone.

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  41. Like Rex, with ERN's E in place, I was having trouble with the second half of OCTAVIA's name. But how many big science fiction writers are named OCTAVIA? Just one that I know of. But I had the T of SCEPT(er or RE?) in place so it finally occurred to me that E was Ms. Butler's middle initial. I don't remember that on the spines of her books that I own. Her books are great but dark.

    _ERA had to be in place before I remembered Norm's wife's name. It's been a decade or two since I've watched Cheers. EMEKA and STEF, unknowns, though with STE_ in place, I could only come up with STEF as a woman's name, but the crossing of a cry of relief without an indication that it was an initialism held me up there.

    I liked the misdirection of "chickens" in the 19A clue. I totally misunderstood the clue for 25A, thought it was looking for a rhyming game so ALAI meant I had to go back and re-read it. Ah, the game's name rhymes, got it.

    I got the misdirection of "husky" at 29A and then expected a similar trick at 6D, but there "lab" meant lab and not Labrador, har!

    Thanks, Kunal Nabar, for a doable and enjoyable Saturday puzzle.

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  42. not at all easy, despite Rex's proclamation. one of the most difficult saturdays in a year.

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  43. This puzzle was not "easy". After looking up a few words, I could do it so there's that. I guess maybe if I do another 10,000 or so puzzles, I will have the required knowledge.

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  44. Anonymous10:55 AM

    Far from easy. I lost my streak. Too many things that were foreign to me today.

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  45. This was hard. A proper Saturday, I guess - EMEKA, FUR, CHAPATI, ALAI, Octavia E. Butler, LIP=BRINK? I guess we've (I've) been spoiled.

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  46. A happy "medium" for me, a fun one to solve. SEA and SLEEPWEAR gave me my way in, and I was able to back into the top three rows with the help of KINTE. Lower down, I got lots of help from CHAPATI and SCEPTer (even spelled wrong), with the A and T enough to remind me of OCTAVIA-BUTLER, who is on my mental list of authors I know I should read but never get to. Unusually good cluing today, I thought; I especially enjoyed the clues for KNITS, BRINK, and HUM (which for me was initially a HUg).

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  47. Anonymous11:08 AM

    Puzzlehoarder here, this was an average Saturday for me. That's around a half hour for me. The last Byron Walden was in the hour range which is a great one.

    The NW was easy easy because I could dredge VERA up from my young adult memory. Right off the bat I knew 1A was MOVIE something and KINTE being a gimme TICKETS wasn't far behind.

    The bottom stack was slower as I'm completely unfamiliar with the writer's name. I had the CALLAH/CAPITI write over but like I said the challenges in this puzzle were just average.

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  48. Hey, it's National Middle Initials Day. Mine is "C." That E was the last square I filled in. I guess she uses is, if I said "OCTAVIA BUTLER" you would know who I was talking about. "Arthur Clarke," on the other hand, would produce a "who's that?" Couple that with my having no idea what you rolled on a chakla (I had CHAllah), and that bottom section was tough for me. Maybe if I'd noticed the kinship with chakra, I'd have been thinking Sanskrit/Hindi; but I didn't.

    I thought of the basket ball team right away, but I still don't see how you get GAME from fest, even with a question mark.

    Otherwise, a fine puzzle, with nice long answers.

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  49. I ran into my new acquaintance BATIK today over at the WSJ - I believe that’s the third time in a week (never heard of it, or remember seeing it in a grid before that). Uncle Google tells that’s called a Baader-Meinhof situation.

    I did get the misdirection on the chicken clue, but still hesitated on the answer - all I could come up with is someone who might be afraid to put a worm on a fish hook or something similar. I can see where that might elicit an EEK or two.

    I still haven’t cracked the code on ALAI as clued though (what the hack is a “rhyming game” anyway?).

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    1. I’ve known BATIK for a long time and guarantee that I don’t see it 3x/week.

      Jai alai - Brian ENO’s favorite game - the two words rhyme

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  50. Well at least KINTE was not only known to me but a gimme, so there's that, thank heavens. But what to say about VERA, EMEKA and STEF -- all in that dagnabble top section? Hateful -- that's what I say.

    You late-week constructors who mean to bury us -- and often do -- under a mountain of totally forgettable, non-household names, have not defeated us in a way that really matters. It's a cheap way to "win" -- not the work of a CLASS ACT. Which is too bad because there's much here that's really good. OPEN MARRIAGES and BARE ESSENTIALS and MAMA BIRD and TALKING HEADS. Why, I might have even enjoyed myself had there been a lot less PPP to contend with.

    Can you call the puzzle "fair" if I managed to finish it with no cheats? Not when there was this much suffering involved -- that's what I say. And it was also the wrong kind of suffering, the kind that always makes me shake my fist at the heavens as all the names are rolling in.

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    1. Nancy, It’s amazing - I’ve probably been reading this blog for going on a decade now, and can not recall a single instance of someone clamoring for more popular culture - yet constructors and editors continually embrace it. I understand that practical concessions may have to be made to fill up a grid, but that doesn’t explain the presence of B-list celebs or arcane trivia when more mainstream alternatives are available.

      The worst offense against humanity is of course cluing real words as PPP - and that’s all on Shortz and the rest of his editors. We should unofficially change the name of Gary’s daily metric of sloppiness from Gary's Grid Gunk Gauge to “Gary's Grid GARBAGE Gauge.”

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      There’s nothing wrong with proper names or just rare stuff if they are deducible. But that would take effort and intelligence, often lacking in these late week monstrosities.
      In defense of Shortz and the ed staff, I guess it’s the price you pay when you depend on the general public to supply the puzzles.

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  51. Um, Rex, Sartre and Beauvoir certainly had an open relationship, but it famously was not a marriage.

    I've read a couple novels by Octavia E. Butler, but I couldn't finish Kindred--it was good, and culturally important, but I got too attached to the narrator and developed a terrible sense of foreboding about what was likely to be her fate; I just couldn't pick it up to go on.

    My go-to four-letter fish is tuna, but I was pretty sure their fins were blue or yellow, so that saved me. Then I got the O and thought Orca? But that didn't seem right, either. Eventually I remembered those other fish; I still don't know what they look like, but at least now I know their fin color.

    I was in my late 70s when I finally realized that Zeno the stoic was not the same as the paradox guy, who I think is the one from ELEA. I'd go visit his birthplace, but I'd never get there.

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    1. @jberg. i don't think Rex mentioned Sartre or Beauvoir. That might have been me, but my point was that reading about their "open relationship" helped me suss out OPEN MARRIAGES.

      Nice paradoxical sign-off, by the way.

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  52. Areawoman11:51 AM

    Did anyone else have edemas stick in their craw? As a doctor I have never heard of it used in the the plural , you would say that someone has edema of their legs, arms, face, etc and list the sites of edema but not that they have edemas. Tried to google plural of edema and got a bunch of hits for pleural edema which is definitely in my wheelhouse but just kept trying to put in edemae in because as people have said above knits does not plunk in easily but its a nice parallel to the Strands game today as NYT Games often metas itself.

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    1. Yes this is an ugly, unnatural plural, in my opinion. It definitely jumped out at me, and I expected Rex and others to be all over it. I guess there was enough other stuff to complain about.

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  53. @Nancy 11:40 AM
    As is often the case, I agree with you Nancy. In order to make puzzles tough enough for the "it's too easy" crowd, they allow in a bunch of obscure proper nouns. Let's call it trivia shall we? Look at us, we added a bunch of people places and things you've never heard of, and now you can't do the puzzle. Isn't that great? Then, of course, the seven people who were able to do it come in preening their feathers and saying it's a "proper Saturday" -- code for nyah nyah nyah. And by the way, good for them! Outside of the science fiction writer, there's not one thing in this puzzle I would bother to look up or remember. Nonsense words built from crosses I will never need ever again in my life, well, probably not until next Saturday.

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    1. Thanks, Gary. Love you!

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    2. You might look up/remember EDEMA once your ankles start swelling.

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  54. Anonymous12:07 PM

    Nit picking an otherwise great puzzle—edema with an “s” is pure crosswordese.

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  55. Anonymous12:30 PM

    How many propers & trivia answers does it take to get a medium or hard rating out of Rex? If this wasn't a hard puzzle, I'm not sure what qualifies.

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  56. That feeling when you go C into CHAllah proving it and then trying to figure out why the long crosses don't work. Especially when you've never heard of GORP.

    Also E into EtnA into ELbA was another rough "I proved this!" ... twice.

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  57. With practice I've gotten to where I can usually do the Saturday puzzle in between a half an hour and an hour...but this one took me over an hour. Still, I feel good that I got it without cheating. I didn't know many of the proper names but appreciate that at least the crosses allowed me to get them

    I went the wrong way on lots of things at first, trying to make MOVIE SCREENS work, and thinking that the ESS in BARE ESSENTIALS must mean that the word NECESSITIES or NECESSARY was involved in that answer.

    Kept trying to tell myself that OCTAVIO PAZ must have written some science fiction and had a middle name! Liked the clue for PUPPY—A little husky!

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  58. LewisS12:59 PM

    OPENCARRIAGES instead of OPENMARRIAGES. Darn NBA player …

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  59. 68-worder with enough no-knows and obscure-fact-based clues to make it a potently feisty SatPuz, at our house. Suffered a lot, but did at least enjoy seein The Jaws of Themelessness in the puzgrid.

    staff weeject picks: FUR & SEA. Both had some of them exemplary obscure-fact-based clues.

    no-knows: STEF. ALAI. VERA. EMEKA. Chakla & CHAPATI. SETPIECE as clued. OCTAVIAEBUTLER.
    Did enjoy learnin about Ms. OCTAVIA darlin, tho. M&A was an avid sci-fi reader, as a kid. All the Asimov Foundation and Robot novels, for starters. And had to read the annual best sci-fi short stories, always. They were superb tales, compared to all the junk that our ELHI-teachers made us read. [Did kinda like "Tale of Two Cities", tho, for some reason. Probably the guillotine parts.]

    some other faves: OPENMARRIAGES & its clue. MAMABIRD. PUPPY & its clue. SILENTRETREAT [do they all give U the silent retreatment?]. INERTIA & its clue. Very weird KNITS clue. KINTE [name M&A knew-knew].

    Thanx for the challenge and a half, Mr. Nabar dude. Like a good Nabar, you included some U's.

    Masked & Anonymo4Us

    ... and now ... can U mark all these runt-like words ...

    "Mark Our Words" - 7x8 12 min. themed runt puzzle:

    **gruntz**

    M&A

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  60. I stopped reading science fiction when it stopped being particularly scientific. I had literally never heard of Octavia Butler, whatever her middle initial. Scigh.

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  61. Not easy for me; actually a good challenging Saturday. Several Unknown Names, EMEKA, STEF, ELEA. I don't follow basketball, so a rookie of the year from 20 years ago?... yeesh.

    I have heard of OCTAVIA, in fact this year I read one of her books, I believe after Rex recommended her. I can't remember why, but I wasn't a fan so I haven't read any more of her stuff.

    Amusing error: GOOP crossing BOINK. I can't remember why I thought BOINK fit the clue "Lip".

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    1. Re Octavia Butler... I looked in my Reading History on my library's web page, and the book I read was Wild Seed, "volume 1 of the Patternists series". The synopsis reminds me why I didn't like it... it isn't science fiction, it's more fantasy, which is not a genre I like. I can't remember if I even finished it.

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    2. Jacke3:49 PM

      Butler wrote harder sf as well as speculative fiction verging into fantasy. For instance Lilith's Brood is about nuclear apocalypse, three-gendered aliens (like Asimov's The Gods Themselves!), world ships and such.

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    3. @Jacke, thanks. I just searched the two library systems I have access to and neither has that book. In fact the only ones they have that are not Patternist series are: Parable of the Sower, Kindred, Parable of the Talents, Dawn, Mind of my Mind, and Fledgling. Any recommendation appreciated!

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    4. Jacke6:30 PM

      Lilith's Brood is the name of a trilogy; Dawn is the first book. I would definitely recommend it if it sounds like your cup of tea!

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    5. Oh, gotcha. I'll try it out. Thanks!

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  62. Anonymous1:52 PM

    Looked at the North for a few minutes with nothing but OPAH and SHARK coming from my pen. Then headed south, where I often begin. That was easily filled.
    But back up North, I was stymied. Cheers and Roots were a looooong time ago, and CORA and KUNTE are what I remembered. How do younger solvers have any idea? Do they watch reruns, or do the successful ones simply remember from earlier puzzles?
    I ended up cheating to get VERA and EMEKA, then all was done.

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  63. Anonymous2:20 PM

    If you divide this puzzle in half along the diagonal line of black squares going across the middle, I found the righthand side easy and the lefthand side much harder, especially the top portion of it. It didn't help that I blocked myself from seeing MOVIETICKETS for a long time by having PIS (Principal Investigators) at 6D ("Many lab instructors, informally"). I kept wanting MOVIEPICKERS but couldn't quite convince myself that was a thing. When I finally saw MOVIETICKETS, the other stuff that had been holding me up in the top rows of the puzzle—mainly TGIF, which for the life of me I couldn't see, EMEKA, which I just didn't know, and OPENMARRIAGES, the clue for which really stumped me—fell into place. My solving time tells me this was a tough puzzle, but the vast majority of it was spent on a small proportion of the clues.

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  64. Couldn't help but notice that several of the marquee answers shared a common trait. MOVIE TICKET, OPEN MARRIAGE, BARE ESSENTIAL, AMNESIAC and TALKING HEAD were all a letter short of their slots. POC (plural of convenience) to the rescue. See also where the two for one POC saves the day at the shared ends of KNIT/EDEMA, BAA/DISC, MC/UNI and ART/TALKING HEAD. The Committee was unanimous in giving the grid a POC Assisted rating.

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  65. Hard for me. The misdirection, vague ambiguity got me, as well as the many names. Just not on my wavelength, I think.

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  66. Anonymous3:41 PM

    So many things I did not know but I was glad to learn of ELEA and OPAH.
    VERA and STEF and KINTE and JAZZ in the NBA ….I got the E for OCTAVIA’s middle initial from the R and the N.
    This puzzle took forever but it was good.

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  67. Hand up for KeNTE before KINTE (and I even read the book), but I had some doubt so I kept an eye on it. Got the G in TGIF and thought, “if the e were an I that could be cARRIAGES.” Then Eureka: EMEKA/OPENMARRIAGES.

    Never watched the Housewives show. Had DR— and thought maybe their “doings” were DRugs. Wisely waited for crosses on that one.

    Took a while to get from “Lip” to (the) BRINK, but once I did it was fun to turn KNITS backward for the rhyming STINK. (Hi, @Lewis)

    Well, there certainly are a lot of husky PUPPY OPERAs on YouTube. Also husky PUPPY TALKING HEADS videos. Also husky-mountains-of-FUR videos. (Just noticed the fun FUR/PUPPY cross.) But this is different: Not exactly OPERA

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  68. So, so much I did not know today, but that makes for a proper Saturday and a chance to learn some cool stuff - and that played out beautifully today.
    The long stacks took forever for me, all due to silly mistakes. These included spelling INTERTIA incorrectly - I started it with an "E" (??) and TGIF (11D) just refused to fall for the longest time. I am not familiar with STEF Dawson (where the "F" would have helped), so my first entry was "WHEW", which led me to put in "DREW" for the Dawson clue... I let that stay for way too long. I'm not 100% sure what finally clicked to clear things up for TGIF and MOVIETICKETS but it was great fun getting there.
    I've never heard of the sci fi author so that took almost every down, and not knowing CHAPATI didn't help. That one was less fun than the others as propers don't sparkle for me as much as a phrase like TALKINGHEADS does. Along those lines, I could not help but shiver with anticipation over which Talking Heads tune @Rex would offer up today, and he nailed it! They played at my undergraduate alma mater (@Rex's place of employment) in our gym way back when - for some inexplicable reason I opted not to get tickets (probably 6 bucks a piece) and continue to rue the day.
    Enjoyed sussing all the long stacks and got a kick out of learning new things. A Saturday with proper bite and resistance and satisfying reveals. Thanks Kunal!

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  69. Anonymous5:00 PM

    First answer for this UConn hoops fan was EMEKA whose presence as a player and a scholar brought great joy in his time here. A champion in every sense of the word. I escaped the CHAllah trap by thinking back to one of my favorite novels “Flashman in the Great Game” by George MacDonald Fraser. CHAPATI played a large part in this tale of the Great Indian Mutiny of 1857. Fictional character, Flashman, but he takes the reader with him to seminal events in British history while behaving like a cowardly cad but emerging as a hero every time. This one taught me so much about what happened in India while I alternated between horror and hysteria. Highly recommended.

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  70. Anonymous5:53 PM

    Did no one else put KNOT and then get totally stuck on MAMABORD? Was also totally confused by INERTIA clue… I thought it was defined as a lack of movement?

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  71. Anonymous6:45 PM

    Struggle, struggle, struggle! Too many obscure names. Used Google and finally got all but GORP! Phew!

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  72. Anonymous8:56 AM

    What is the “name game”?

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  73. Anonymous11:46 PM

    Enjoyed puzzle lots of good fill. But did have some trouble with people names as most I have never heard of except kunta kinte. Rex is so good but for others of us - mere mortals- I would rank this as medium to hard. Still congrats to the constructor ! Very nice puzzle

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  74. Anonymous4:30 PM

    Too easy what has become of the NYTXW

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