Saturday, September 20, 2025

Self-effacing personality trait / SAT 9-20-25 / Slower, musically / Verso's counterpart / Drink drunk the morning after, maybe / Hill folk, informally / Demand upon reaching an "enemy border" / Catholic university in Florida or its home town / Strip of wood from which a bow is carved / Rare showbiz collections / Actor Millen of BBC America's "Orphan Black"

Constructor: Katie Hoody

Relative difficulty: Medium


THEME: none 

Word of the Day: ECHOISM (38D: Self-effacing personality trait) —
[this meaning of ECHOISM is not in dictionaries] [there are other meanings of ECHOISM] [This seems like a pop psychology thing ... I had to go to some article in Psychology Today to get a kind of definition (all my options seem flimsy)]

 1. What is echoism? Echoism is a trait that my colleagues and I have begun measuring, and like all traits, it exists to a greater or lesser degree in everyone. People who score well above average in echoism qualify as echoists, and their defining characteristic is a fear of seeming narcissistic in any way.

Of all the people we measured, echoists were the most “warm-hearted,” but they were also afraid of becoming a burden, felt unsettled by attention, especially praise, and agreed with statements like, “When people ask me my preferences, I’m often at a loss.” Where narcissists are addicted to feeling special, echoists are afraid of it.

In the myth of Narcissus, Echo, the nymph who eventually falls madly in love with Narcissus, has been cursed to repeat back the last few words she hears. Like their namesake, echoists definitely struggle to have a voice of their own. (Psych. Today)

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Another properly tough puzzle. I haven't applied the word "Easy" to a puzzle since Tuesday. Quite a streak. Why are you drinking STALE BEER the next morning? (13D: Drink drunk the morning after, maybe). I could not get my head around that at all. Are you a truly desperate alcoholic? Did you mistake it for water? Is it some kind of hangover cure that I'm unaware of? There is no context where drinking STALE BEER makes any kind of sense, especially "the morning after" ("the morning after" is also a weird phrase choice here, since "the morning after" pill is emergency contraception). STALE BEER and two names I've never seen in my life (ARI whoever, ALEC whoever) made that NE corner probably the hardest section. Thank god RECTO was a gimme (16A: Verso's counterpart); I was really floundering up there even with its help. Without it ... that would've been yikes. Somehow [Charcoal and wood, for two] didn't end in an "S"! Gah. I forget what I had in there, but it was (also) art-related and felt good. Another "not an 'S'!?!" plural ending at 34D: Sounds from 59-Across ("HO HO"). I watched Kate & Allie and still had trouble parsing MOTHERS (39A: Kate and Allie of 1980s TV, e.g.). I was like ... "roommates ... CO-STARS? ..."  So yeah, from the bottom to the top, that NE quadrant was the one that slowed me down the most. Outside of that corner, things were less brutal, but never easy. 


I basically liked the puzzle, except for the STALE BEER clue, which doesn't compute, and the ECHOISM / MENO MOSSO area. I don't really believe in ECHOISM. Seems like a thing made up in relationship to narcissism. I mean, Echo is Narcissus's counterpart, after all. A pop psychology term that isn't even in the dictionary? Boo. And MENO MOSSO is some deep-cut musical tempo indication (60A: Slower, musically). It's been a big week for "Italian words on scores," and this one ... I just had to piece together from my vague awareness of both Italian and music. That corner was really rescued by "I GOTTA JET!" (55A: "Later!") and SMOKE RING (58A: Blow it!)—I correctly guessed, right away, that it might JET and not the more common RUN, so I didn't get tripped up there, and as for SMOKE RING ... I remember lying in my dorm room smoking during senior year, surrounded by styrofoam coffee cup ashtrays, blowing SMOKE RINGs at the ceiling and thinking "I think if I couldn't blow SMOKE RINGs, I would quit." That's how much fun they were to me. I liked to blow one and then blow a smaller one right through it. I have very few "life skills," but blowing SMOKE RINGs is definitely one of them. (I eventually quit and haven't touched a cigarette since the early '00s, don't worry.)


Puzzle started out hard, but I was able to grab hold of just enough short answers to get started. There's a Catholic University named ST. LEO? There's a town named ST. LEO? News to me x 2 (1D: Catholic university in Florida or its home town). Also, this is garbage crosswordese, why would you clue it as hard as possible, thereby making it even more annoying? Also, there should be an abbr. indicator in the clue. Just an awful way to start out. But after reading many clues I couldn't get, I managed to put in EDEN, TWA, and ARGOTS (very proud of that last one). The "W" and "R" from those last two helped me see the "THAT" in "SCREW THAT!" (1A: "Hell no!") and the WARS in TRADE WARS (15A: New customs might incite them). God bless those little gimmes—they made a huge difference. I don't have much orange ink in the other sections of my puzzle (my green pen ran out so I've been using this tepid orange—gotta get over to Staples this weekend). My puzzle printouts, which I mark up and annotate before writing, tend to have the most ink where the biggest problems are. The whole western half of the grid only has ink around ST. LEO and OSMIC (lol, like I know anything about [squints] electron microscopy). But that SW section was both the last one I did and the easiest. OSMIC was a ???, but it fell into place from crosses pretty easily. This was a solid puzzle, even if I did have only an OK time solving it.

[9D: Who wrote "Humankind cannot bear very much reality"]

Bullets:
  • 20A: Hill folk, informally (POLS) — so, Capitol Hill. Not hillbillies or, you know, ants or something.
  • 29A: Sports org. in a 1976 merger (ABA) — basketball! My mind went to football (AFL), but the AFL / NFL merger officially took place several years earlier, in 1970.
  • 51A: Strip of wood from which a bow is carved (STAVE) — if it's not barrel-related, then I have no idea what STAVE you're talking about (unless it's in the verb phrase "STAVE off"). Bow carving? Like electron microscopy and (apparently) pop psychological terms, not my purview. 
  • 42D: Demand upon reaching an "enemy border" ("KING ME!") — oh yeah, and we can add checkers terminology to the list as well. Do you really call the row closest to your opponent the "enemy border," or are those words in "quotation marks" because you might think of the row that way? The quotation marks would then be acting like the qualifying phrase "so to speak." Haven't played checkers since I was a small child.
  • 47D: Sheets might be placed in them (OVEN) — When they come out of the drier less warm than you'd like, then sure, just pop them in the OVEN on 200 for 10 min or so! A great wintertime life hack! (jk the "sheets" here are baking sheets)
  • 56D: Result of the '64 Clay/Liston fight (TKO) — had the "T" and wrote in TIE. Then thought, "wait, what? No ..." Then the crosswordese kicked in.

That's it. See you next time.

Signed, Rex Parker, King of CrossWorld

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91 comments:


  1. Medium-Challenging, mostly due to the NW corner, which was completely blank when I finished the rest of the puzzle. I needed Sergey and Larry for the Florida university at 1D.

    Overwrites:
    islam before AMISH for the Gelassenheit group at 10A
    I never watched Kate & Allie (39A); thought they might have been sistERS before I realized they were both MOTHERS
    Thought Tofu might be added to smoothies (53D); didn't know about TARO

    WOEs:
    The aforementioned ST. LEO University (and town) at 1D
    ARI Millen at 10D
    SEMITONE at 21D - I've heard the term but didn't recognize it from the clue
    ALEC Bohm at 25A
    ECHOISM at 38D
    OSMIC acid at 53A
    CSA at 54D (looked up Community-Supported Agriculture post-solve)
    MENO MOSSO at 60A

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  2. This was a perfect Saturday, 26 minutes for me, so medium challenging again. Thankful for TRADEWARS and ARGOTS which got me started, and for RECTO in the NE, but what actually got me enough momentum to get one of the corners done was "NOMEGUSTA" next to SPIDERMAN in the SW. Filled that section right up, and then was able to get AMIDONE, RECKONSO (that's actually a nice little dialog there, isn't it) and INSERTS, FEARSOME, and on. Stared at that K in RECKON for a long long time (also had the M from SMOKE) and finally saw "KINGME". That was an AHA moment! NE corner was the hardest/last to fall. I don't play poker so HOLECARDS was stuff to see. Great puzzle, lots of crunch, just right for Saturday! Thank you, Katie!

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    1. Sorry, "tough" to see, not stuff to see. I guess my brain isn't 100% awake

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    2. Anonymous9:32 AM

      26 minutes is how long I spent on the NE alone. The rest took me an hour. My stats page tells me that my fastest Saturday ever is 16 minutes. My Saturday average is around an hour. So this was challenging in my book.

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  3. extremely challenging.

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  4. I took a pass through it, and basically had nothing but white space left. I knew I would end up googling at least a third of the answers, realized that this one was way above my pay grade, and opted to just throw in the towel instead. Reading Rex’s write-up confirmed that I made the appropriate decision.

    It will be interesting to see going forward if this week is an aberration , or if we are truly reverting back to the mean (difficulty-wise).

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    1. When the brains in this crowd call it a proper Saturday, I know I probably don't have a chance. And I have a limit on how much I'm willing to google too.

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  5. Proper Saturday - some of the cluing felt strained in places but overall solid and slick. The entire NW quadrant is top notch and I liked MENO MOSSO (which we’ve seen previously) and SMOKE RING.

    Drivn N Cryin

    No issue with STALE BEER - the maybe qualifier opens up the if side of the equation. Reminds me of my college dorm days. Wanted the plural for 32d. Had I GOTTA GET x MAGIS initially. Learned ECHOISM.

    Slobberbone

    What we should expect for a Saturday morning solve - tricky but enjoyable. Matt Sewell’s Stumper has a central stack of shorts that will test you today.

    Did you ever hear about
    William Blake
    T. S. ELIOT
    In the summer
    In the countryside
    They were smokin'

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    1. I mean, if you wake up and find a glass with a few ounces of beer in it, what you gonna do? Hair of the dog, after all.

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    2. Thanks for the extended Van Morrison thing. It's so pretentious that it almost becomes unpretentious. Like an admission of guilt. And so Irish.

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  6. In the enjoyable and laudatory 2006 documentary Wordplay, about the allure of NYT crosswords, the actor Paul Sorvino described the Saturday puzzle as the “bitch mother of all crosswords.” Today I know what he meant.

    The northwest was easy, but oh the WOEs elsewhere:
    In the northeast, STALE BEER, ARI, ALEC, and HOLE CARD.
    In the south, OSMIC acid, ECHOISM, I GOTTA JET, SMOKE RING, MENO MOSSO, TARO powder, STAVE.

    Thankful for MONSOON (though mostly lacking for Arizona this summer, a real woe), SPIDERMAN, TRADE WARS, OPS, TIGHTER, STEM, TKO, EGOTS. And for several publishing-themed entries: EMEND (though not exactly a match for “free of typos, say”; I’d have said “proofread,” but close enough), RECTO, INSERTS, ARGOTS (but POC?), HARPER’S, and ABA if reimagined as American Booksellers Association, which supports independent bookstores. T S ELIOT too.

    Appreciated the clue pairs for 43A AGES and 50A TONS, and the answer pair of SANTA and HOHO (96 days to Christmas!).

    Glad, and surprised, to have readily remembered NO ME GUSTA.

    Was fun to be reminded of the show Kate and Allie, with Susan Saint James and Jane Curtain, the only TV episode I saw taped live in Manhattan.

    Thanks, Katie Hoody, for the very tough solve and for the bits of sun through the clouds. Doggedness rewarded.

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  7. Anonymous7:14 AM

    Wasn't sure if you were being sarcastic or not, but sheets in the oven refers to baking sheets, not bed sheets.

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    1. Anonymous7:23 AM

      Rex *literally* says this. How in the world could you miss it?

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    2. Anonymous7:45 AM

      That’s why he put in jk for just kidding and explained??

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  8. Anonymous7:25 AM

    Medium-challenging. MENOMESSO, ARI and ECHOISM were the only complete WoEs, but there was a lot of tough (good) cluing, as well.

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  9. Anonymous7:26 AM

    Was stuck on LINGO vs ARGOT for a long time. Great puzzle.

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  10. Andrew Z.7:32 AM

    Two 9 letter foreign language answers, plus obscure words like OSMIC, ARGOTS, and ECHOISM, makes this puzzle too obtuse and just not fun. The fact that Rex finds RECTO (?!?) a gimme, shows he has lost touch with his audience.

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    1. Anonymous7:46 AM

      What a silly comment. It was a gimme for him. He didn’t say it would be a gimme for all. We all have our idiosyncratic gimmes.

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    2. @Andrew Z: RECTO was a gimme for me and I'm sure many, many other regular x-word solvers. As a singer I've come across MENO MOSSO many times, and my high school Spanish somehow allowed me to write in NO ME GUSTA without hesitation or crosses.
      A fine Saturday puzzle. Try some puzzles (any day of the week) from the 1990s if you want to see some "obtuse" challenges.

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  11. A proper Saturday indeed. Tough but fair, although the ick factor of STALEBEER was a little off-putting. All rescued by NOMEGUSTA, which is one of the first and most useful things I learned in Spanish.

    No one I know, or ever knew, says or said IGOTTAJET.

    Back home after three lovely days at the beach. Lucky us.

    Good stuff, KH. I Kinda Hoped it would go on and on, and thanks for all the fun.

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    1. Anonymous9:10 AM

      DNF’d with IGOTTAgET. We’ve seen HAgIS before so all seemed legit.

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  12. Crossword superstar Paolo Pasco Jeopardy watch, day eight.

    All good things must come to an end, and Paolo lost to a strong opponent, but what a lovely Paolo had, and he’ll be back for the Tournament of Champions, because any contestant who has won five games goes. He also picked up a tidy sum of change.

    He represented Crosslandia admirably. At one point I went to a Jeopardy fan site, and commenters praised him with words like “intelligent” and “nice”, and praised his dimples.

    It was fun to have a crossworder on the show, and I look forward to seeing him again in the TOC. Go Paolo!

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    1. Not surprised Paolo was popular among Jeopardy fan groups. He does seem to have a very appealing personality. Thanks for alerting us to his appearance; I enjoyed watching but would have missed it otherwise because I don't follow the show regularly. If you think of it, I hope you'll also remind everyone when the TOC is on so we can watch for him again.

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    2. "Very nice," Paolo! He faced a tough opponent who answered all 3 Daily Doubles correctly and knew the Borat reference. 7-time champ, $198,717. Wa wa wee wa!

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    3. Agreed, Lewis & thank you for your updates (although I watched it every night that he was on). Sorry he lost last night, but he'll be back on TOC. Can't wait - he seems like a really nice, genuine, smart guy - not too many out there these days - !!!!

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  13. Holy moly. What a talent. Five puzzles into the Times, and Katie has shot into my top-tier group of constructors. When I saw her name atop the blank grid, I actually yessed with a fist pump. Her offering today once again, with its wit, play, and skill, brought me to the height of solving joy.

    Joy – this grid design, which calmed and relaxed me even before filling in my first square. Grid design is often a non-factor in a puzzle, but Katie has made it an asset in most of her puzzles. Today, the relaxed feeling it elicited made me feel like I was solving with Procol Harum’s “A Whiter Shade of Pale” in the background.

    Joy – Beautiful and interesting answers. LIVE LARGE, RECKON SO, LURK, MENO MOSSO, I’M AT A LOSS, NO ME GUSTA, RATS NEST, KING ME.

    Joy – OMG, the cluing. A riddle-fest. Misdirects, wordplays, “Hah!” producers all around the grid, such as [Free of typos, say] for EMEND, [Keep to oneself] for HOG, and [Rare showbiz collections] for EGOTS.

    Joy – The master-level skill behind this. Four gorgeous stacks in a low wordcount, low block grid, and no junky answers!

    More, more, more, I ask of you, Katie. You bring such pleasure into solving. Thank you!

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  14. Hey All !
    The ole hamster running the brain wheel must still be asleep, as could not get a toehold (never mind a foothold) anywhere in the grid. Cor blimey, after 15 minutes I had maybe five answers in, knowing some weren't correct. As I've stated before, I get too antsy if I can't solve a puz after reading each clue 862 times, and still coming up blank. So I relented, and hit Check Puzzle, with it crossing out at least two. Then it was putting in a guess for an answer, hitting Check Puzzle again, ad infinitum. Actually got most of NW without doing that, so pat myself on the back for at least a little solving decorum. Kept asking myself AM I DONE? The puz just snickered at me.

    Those aching for a tough puz, here ya go. It just left me aching. I had thought I was getting better at puzs, but along comes this toughie, and promptly grounds me back to reality! I RECKON SO.

    Ya got me good, Katie. I hope your proud of yourself. Har. I will be FEARSOME next time I see your name.

    Have a great Saturday!

    One F
    RooMonster
    DarrinV

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  15. Solved (or rather didn’t) in bed last night and had lots of blank swaths across the grid and went to sleep. Woke up and everything filled in easily. What was I up to all night?

    Surprised Rex didn’t mention the 4 separate puzzles aspect more specifically.

    Also surprised that MENOMOSSO is causing people problems, hardly a deep cut in musical terminology. “Less movement or motion”. YMMV, I could have used STAVE as a musical clue to make it easier:)

    I find it interesting and frustrating that any psychological term I learn immediately applies to our Commander in chief. Although clearly narcissistic, his policies and courses of action make him an Echoist of whatever the last pundit on Fox News just said…

    For any acid, you can fill in -IC at the end. Osmium is also somewhere in my brain, so combine the two and a correct answer I know nothing about is form(ic)ed

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  16. EasyEd8:11 AM

    Wow, tough! A Google-fest, starting with STLEO and extending through the musical references. On the other hand, got STALEBEER fairly easily and opposite to Rex thought it was a highlight of the puzzle. Well, lousy taste but great answer. Some of the cluing seemed a bit of a stretch, like the “enemy border”, or “keep to oneself”, but in hindsight they work so fair enough with the crosses available.

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  17. Puzzlehoarder here, this was mostly a normal difficult Saturday with the exception of the south central section which kicked the resistance up a notch. Mostly this was due to REASONSO blocking out the much better RECKONSO for a good half hour. Sometimes words just hide behind each other like that and I have to wait for them to come out.

    ARGOT was one of the first answers to go in and ECHOISM one of the last. Fitting as one is such a perfect example of the other.

    The C of OSMIC was my final square. I saved that for last even though I couldn't think of any other letter that would work. The problem was I had no idea what CSA could stand for given the context of the clue. My solving has tapered off to only the weekends and I don't bother with the Sundays anymore. Apparently this is a new form of crosswordese which I'll have to look up.

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    1. Community Supported Agriculture. You pay a farmer in advance for the season, and he or she brings you a box of vegetables every week (or brings it to a place where you can pick it up.) You don't know what you'll get, but it will be seasonal, and cheaper and fresher than in a grocery store.

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    2. And they're common around here but every time I see an invitation to become a member I still think they're talking about the Confederate States of America.

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    3. Hey puzzlehoarder, do you still do the Spelling Bee? I'm currently on a 40 day Queen Bee streak which is one short of my record. Just a lucky streak I guess.

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    4. @jberg, thanks for the explanation. Wouldn't you know it but I've been involved with CSAs couple of times just didn't know the initialism or if I did I've forgotten it.

      @okanaganer, congrats on your streak. Anabiotic did me in the other day. I had avery busy summer and did no crosswords for most of it. There were days I didn't even do the SB. I just checked my notes and my longest QB streak in months was 15. I was shocked by how many words I've been missing. I just didn't have the time to pu into it.

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  18. Drink drunk the next morning could mean to drink while still drunk after passing out for awhile…This puzzle had 4 Naticks for me: 10D crossing 16A, 31D crossing 40A, 54D crossing 53A, and 52D crossing 60A. I fiddled with those spots, and was on the verge of throwing in the towel when I got the Congratulations.

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    1. Andy Freude8:40 AM

      Thanks, Joe, I did need that explanation. Now I can picture it: it’s a little past midnight (thus technically the next morning), a person is tipsy, and even though their beer has gone stale they drink it anyway. That’s much less revolting than the image I had of someone getting up the next morning and washing down their breakfast of cold pizza with STALE BEER.

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  19. Anonymous8:23 AM

    A former colleague had previously worked at St. Leo; otherwise, I’m not sure I’d have ever gotten out of the NW. As it was I didn’t get the happy music when I finished so had to go searching - finally figured out it was JET rather than I GOTTA GET. I knew the Islam pilgrimage was the Hajj but wanted HAJJI; wasn’t sure if the plural took the S or not. When that wouldn’t work, I abandoned the J and forgot about it as the answer to the “Later!” clue came into focus.

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  20. I'm originally from Florida and in higher education, and I'm a big baseball fan. Thus, STLEO and ALEC were gimmes. (I even interviewed for a job at Saint Leo University many years ago.) The rest of the puzzle ... not so much. Just goes to show that one's experiences and interests really change your perspective on a puzzle.

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  21. Stan Marsh8:29 AM

    Really hard puzzle-like the old days. Didn’t complete the SE corner. Stale beer made perfect sense. It’s the “hair of the dog “ method for getting rid of your hangover.

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  22. Andy Freude8:44 AM

    Medium, Rex? Really? This one kicked my asterisk around the block—and as a musician I had no hesitation at SEMITONE or MENO MOSSO. But boy, lots of other stuff was tough. I confused Kate & Allie with Cagney & Lacey and thought, “I don’t remember those cops being mothers too.”

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  23. Bob Mills8:54 AM

    Needed cheats in the SE to finish. IGOTTAJET is one of the worst crossword answers I've ever seen. Who has ever said that? I had IGOTTARUN, which isn't grammatical but is at least familiar verbiage. For me, that spoiled an otherwise impressive puzzle, one appropriately difficult for a Saturday.

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    1. May I suggest a portmanteau for trashy verbiage? -- garbiage.

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  24. Omaha Roncalli grad here. Nice to see fellow alum in the puzzle, ALEC BOHM. I’d venture to guess that’s the first time a Roncalli alum made the puzzle, unless JIM SKOW made it before? I can’t think of any other candidates.

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    1. From the trivia-of-interest-to-nobody department: The home run Bohm hit in the 2022 World Series was the 1,000 homer in World Series history.

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  25. Willa9:25 AM

    I don't typically do anything but the Sunday puzzle, so this was a first for me. I thought it was unnecessarily hard, the clues were too oblique and not in a fun way, and after I had to Google my second answer just to get a toehold I gave up. Maybe I'll go back in to try a Monday and hope for better luck.

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  26. "OSMIC was a ???, but it fell into place from crosses pretty easily"

    hard disagree - it crosses a Spanish word - I felt the S could have been anything

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    1. Not to mention why is CSA an alternative to a farmer's market?

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  27. Anonymous9:51 AM

    Nothing medium about this one for me AT ALL. Challenging from beginning to end. Ending in the SE corner, where I spent a good 15 minutes stuck because I had IGOTTARUN instead of IGOTTAJET. A properly challenging Saturday.

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  28. Anonymous9:59 AM

    The old saw for a hangover cure, “hair of the dog that bit you,” is the reason for drinking “stale beer.” Wake up, headache, stomach upset? Reach for that half empty can.

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  29. Anonymous10:24 AM

    Whipped cream on an iced latte is a stretch imo. Maybe on an iced vanilla latte or some other flavored latte variety. But I’ve never seen whipped cream on a generic iced latte.

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  30. Shrink: Are you done with your crisis?
    Me: AMIDONE? No! I'm AMIDONE right now.

    I'll sometimes drink a STALEBEER if I've been SMOKERING too much.

    Reporter: Mr. President, what did you accomplish on your recent Middle East visit?
    Trump: IGOTTAJET
    Reporter: Any big plans for the coming days?
    Trump: TRADEWARS
    Reporter: And what would you ask the American people to do at this point?
    Trump: KINGME

    Actor to autograph seeker: Make it quick, MONSOON.

    Wow! I loved the fight this put up and feel like I only won on a TKO. Just a fantastically fun puzzle. Thanks, Katie Hoody.

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    1. Watch yourself egs. you keep writing these parodies of the prez and you'll find yourself up in the bleachers with Colbert and Kimmel.

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    2. Anonymous11:57 AM

      You have outdone
      yourself! Brilliant!

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    3. Anonymous4:14 PM

      Funny yet not funny!

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  31. Fun puzzle until it wasn’t.

    Managed to wrestle down ALEC Bohm and the ABA in the NE and, even though I don’t speak much Spanish, NO ME GUSTO in the SW.

    But the SE practically did me in. I blow SMOKE RINGs while I solve. It’s a meditative exercise.There’s no breeze tonight so they look particularly lovely and peaceful. No need for any exclamation points. And I use sheet pans, cookie sheets, and baking sheets in my OVENS. Not plain old sheets. They go in the washer and dryer. A trying-too-hard misdirect that just managed to undo all the good my smoke rings were doing.

    And, though it sounds kid of cool, I’ve never heard anyone ever say I’VE GOTTA JET. Not so cool: MENO MOSSO. What proportion of the cross-wording public has ever heard of this? I know some of you will chime in with, “Well, I’m a classical pianist and I see it all the time”, but how would you feel if I inserted some obscure painting terms like all prima or sfumato, sgraffito, or even chiaroscuro in a puzzle? Or maybe I could ask you for your recipe for gesso? MENO MOSSO is a good example of showing off or desperation, or both. Either way it seems like dirty pool.

    Too bad. It was a good puzzle for most of the way.

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    1. I’m guessing that unlike the terms you listed, Meno Mosso is something you’d learn pretty early in studying music as a child. Thanks for listing sgraffito - seen it but, didn’t know the word. Chiaroscuro is a favorite term, and is used to describe a beautiful sound with a rich darkness underlying the projecting light clarity over it.

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  32. Oof, Challenging. Double my average time (humble brag for actually finishing the puzzle.) I wish HOLECARDS had a more straight-forward poker clue, but all the debut entries were great. Masterful Thu-Sat puzzles this week.

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  33. A real Saturday level of difficulty served up today. What a workout! All worth the effort. Like yesterday, so many costly errors. I had nothing except for OPS (23A) and FEED (26D) at first pass. Finally FEED opened some things up for me in the east.
    Huge snafu for me - I sussed out CRIMP for 2D and then (much) too quickly entered ICANTEVEN for 1A. I liked it so much I just wouldn't let it go which meant a total standstill for the NE for the longest time.
    Speaking of SNAFU - I figured 24D (Big mess) could be something that ended in SNAfU as I had the N in AMIDONE and also thought I had the U as I incorrectly put in UBER (?) for 50A (Typically exaggerated quantity) so another major roadblock.
    IGOTTAJET says absolutely noone in my life ever so I left in the incorrect IGOTTARUN for a long time. I like the phrase just fine, just never heard it used, I may start using it.
    Agree with @Rex re: STALEBEER, I also winced a bit at the cluing.
    Learned some new stuff - RECTO, MENOMOSSO, STLEO
    and had a reasonably good time doing it.
    Thanks for putting my brain to work today, Katie! Good stuff! Now IGOTTAJET! (Told you I'd start using it - how'd I do?)

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  34. I *liked* the music cluing (of course). MENO MOSSO took me a few seconds while I went through other alternatives, but this was the only thing that fit the space and the clue (and the clue was super spot on). I admittedly had half step, then half TONE, before crosses set me straight at SEMITONE.

    The rest was pretty tough. Don't recall *ever* hearing "I GOTTA JET." "Fly," yes, ditto "run." Would've gotten "STAVE" sooner if the clue had been musical, but normal folk would probably had tired of music coming in three clues. At least I got it with only a couple of crosses. And STALE BEER was weird, but it didn't bother me that much… morning after a hard night, everything tastes like that.

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  35. Medium. An imposing grid that provided just the right amount of challenge for a Saturday.

    I did not know ST LEO, ALEC, ARI, OSMIC, ECHOISM, MENO MOSSO, and TARO (as clued).

    Costly erasures - eonS before AGES, TOOT at before TOOTED, and trying ME NO before NO ME.

    Fun and delightful with a boatload of sparkle, liked it a bunch!

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  36. Thank heavens for SEMITONE and MENO MOSSO, it's about all I had for gimmes. Well, maybe AMISH, MONSOON and NOMEGUSTA. Nothing that got me near the NW. And I didn't end right in the NE - I put in TOOTat for hit the horn, and then invented a new craft called HOLExARtS for the hidden assets.

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  37. Started with CSA & crossed it with Tanic acid so woes there. Finished in the SE corner, woes there not knowing meno mosso & confidently putting in I gotta run. Who the hell says jet? Suspected Hajis & still didn't see it!

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  38. Anonymous11:15 AM

    As.a life-long Phillies fan, I feel confident that Alex Bohm is better found in a crossword puzzle than third base. Same goes for Nick Castellanos. Both petulant, entitled and poor defensively.

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  39. Anonymous11:19 AM

    It took me as long to do the SE corner as the rest of the puzzle combined. Happy that I got there without a "something's not right" screen. ECHOISM and MENOMOSSO can both bite me.

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  40. Great Saturday cluing! With so much vexing (in a good way) ambiguity. What kind of sheets were we talking about? (I was sure it was paper...until STAVE's V bailed me out.) And then my favorite kind of Saturday vagueness in parts of speech: "Free of errors," where I thought "free" was an adjective; "Drink drunk..." where I thought "Drink" was a verb and "drunk" was an adjective.. . This one was a very tough row for me to hoe and was so satisfying to finish.

    Do-overs: date before WELD, ARcana before ARGOTS, MENO tempO. New to me: ECHOISM, TARO as a smoothie ingredient. No idea: ALEC.

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      Thanks for knowing "row...to hoe." Most people say "Road to hoe," for some bizarre reason.

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  41. Well, this was a proper workout. I confess to looking up both the third baseman and the actor ARI (I thought 10-A would be AMISH, but resisted because MEDIA did not seem right for the clue -- I guess it meant "art media." Writeovers at NO ME GUSTo for A and songS for RAVES. I GOTTA run before JET, too.

    The clue for FEED was terrific, as was the one for SKIRT. OSMIC, not so much, but how else could you clue it?

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  42. I needed to look up MENOMOSSO to solve. It was tough for me. Seventeen mysteries, close to the DNF border at 20.

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  43. I guess I'm the only one that thought charcoal and wood were FUELS.

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    1. Nope. You're not. And I draw with charcoal all the time but the wood part threw me because, though I make wood furniture, I don't have the patience for wood scupture.

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  44. I don’t know if I would have gotten the NW without randomly remembering that my aunt went to a Catholic college in Florida. I went to her Facebook to see where and boom that was the clue I needed to bring it home

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  45. Anonymous11:56 AM

    I had some trouble with this one. Had to searh for a synonym of "lingo" in order to get ARGOT and gain some purchase in the NW.

    I don't understand why the clue for HOHO is the plural "sounds from [Santa]": When has Santa ever uttered just a singular "Ho"? That seems wrong.

    SE killed me as I didn't know ECHOISM, MENOMOSSO, HAJIS...

    Not quite ready to say SCREW THAT to this puzzle, but it wasn't for me. I like working through tough and tricky clues, but when there's so much unfamiliar vocab it's just not very satisfying.

    Clever misdirect on "Free of typos."

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  46. The SE corner ate up the majority of my 22 minutes. It was rough.
    But, I appreciate the first Saturday in a long time that gave me some pushback. Good puzzle!

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  47. No idea in the NW and I was stuck on Hill folk referring to mountain or ants, even so far as to start running the alphabet, but walking away for a coffee refill I thought could it be The Hill? Yes! A way in.

    HOG for Keep to oneself was another that took some mental chipping away before the rewarding aha! It opened up the SE. Great tricky short fill clues.

    Thanks for a challenging Saturday. It took me 30 minutes longer than average, but that’s a good thing! Enjoyed the blog and comments too.

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  48. Wow, a lot of Total Unknowns here: STLEO, ALEC, ECHOISM, OSMIC, MENOMOSSO, and IGOTTAJET ("jet"?). And yet it ended up only taking 22 minutes which for me is not "challenging" level. Although I did finish with an annoying error at STLAO crossing AMEND. Yeesh.

    Lots of typeovers: IVE GOTTA FLY, ONSET before GETGO, FUELS before MEDIA for "charcoal and wood", etc.

    Congratulations Paolo on your Jeopardy run. As for the show itself, in the old days I could get a lot of the answers, but now there are entire categories devoted to shows and games I've never heard of. Not fun to sit through those!

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  49. Niallhost1:35 PM

    I slaved over the NE corner for probably 20 minutes, trying new words and iterations until it FINALLY made sense only to not get the happy music. I spent the next 5 minutes trying to figure out why, only to give up because I had never heard of RECTO, opting instead for vECTO and AvI. Brutal and ultimately unsatisfying but otherwise a good Saturday brain workout.

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  50. I gotta jet?? Seriously...

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  51. Anonymous1:38 PM

    Why are charcoal and wood media? 11Down

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  52. Anonymous1:46 PM

    Ok never mind. I finally saw the comment about art media….

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  53. Anonymous2:12 PM

    I see I'm not the only one who's never, ever, heard anyone say "I GOTTA JET". I guess Rex had no trouble with it because of his proximity to kids under 25.
    And I know a lot of musical terms, but not MENO MOSSO.
    Those two DNF'd the SE for me -- and after easily completing the rest of the puzzle.

    Sorry, I GOTTA RUN.

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  54. Anonymous2:14 PM

    I solved the NW corner somewhat easily, but was stuck in the SE corner.”GOTTAJET” floored me. Never heard the phrase: had all but the J!

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  55. Anonymous2:14 PM

    I solved the NW corner somewhat easily, but was stuck in the SE corner.”GOTTAJET” floored me. Never heard the phrase: had all but the J!

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  56. LA Times puzzle today by Zhouquin Burnikel (CC) tough but fair and high quality as usual

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  57. I’ve been lurking for quite a while: this is my first comment. This was freakin’ hard! I blew through my average by almost 17 minutes!

    Hardest NYT puzzle in quite some time. Was hoping Rex would say it was challenging, too, which would have made me feel better.

    Sadly, I was laid off from my consulting gig June 30, and I haven’t found work yet. BUT… I’ve been working my way backwards through the NYT puzzle archives (and Rex’s accompanying blog). I’m in September 2019 now. I know some of you are vexed by Rex’s grumpiness, but I am used to it bf now and somewhat charmed by it, tbh.

    Anyway, happy to join this merry band of solvers.

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  58. Alec Bohm was a gimme for any Phillies fan. Was a starting All-Star last year and a reliable RBI producer for the Phils.

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  59. Sy Burr4:09 PM

    Although I was ten minutes faster (35 min. v. 45 min.), I thought the Sat. LA Times by Z. Burnikel was a superior puzzle, avoiding the try-hardism (two can play the ism game) our FL expounded upon. If two well read and educated septuagenarians have never seen or heard of three of your answers (not including St. Leo or osmic), you are wrong, and, as the kids say today, you need to calm down.
    Clues of the Day: 2 and 4 down.

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  60. Hey, has anyone heard from Nancy? Is she OK? Hope that critical anonymous person didn't drive her away... I miss her perspective!

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  61. I do Friday and Saturday puzzles from the Archives on a regular basis---just finished all the 2006 offerings---and today's puzzle would have fit right in with those older, challenging ones.

    Liked the ICED LATTE? STALE BEER? SCREW THAT. ¡NO ME GUSTA! vibe.

    The history of personality psychology has been one of looking for the fewest number of traits that would describe all people. In the early days that was thought to be as high as 40. That got narrowed to 16. These days that number has been pared down to just five, summarized by the acronym OCEAN: Openness (to new experiences), Conscientiousness, Extroversion, Agreeableness and Neuroticism.

    But 38D ECHOISM? Huh? First I ever heard of that one. Definitely has a pop psychology, daytime TV talk show feel to it.

    AM I DONE? RECKON SO. I GOTTA JET.

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