Carefree motto, in modern lingo / MON 9-22-25 / Wine choice in southern France / Like speakeasies and refrigerators, at times / Word before food or mate / Low-scoring deadlock / Synthetic fabric once common on sweaters
Constructor: Dena R. Verkuil and Andrea Carla Michaels
THEME: "D'OH!" (71A: Cry from Homer ... or a phonetic hint to the ends of 18-, 27-, 48- and 62-Across) — names and phrases that end with a "D'OH" sound:
Theme answers:
RED BORDEAUX (18A: Wine choice in southern France)
JUSTIN TRUDEAU (27A: Canadian P.M. who is the son of another Canadian P.M.)
SUPER NINTENDO (48A: Platform for Donkey Kong Country)
COOKIE DOUGH (62A: Chunks found in Ben & Jerry's Half Baked ice cream)
Word of the Day: MARIO Puzo (67A: "The Godfather" author Puzo) —
My daughter is GEN Z. Solidly GEN Z. She is twenty-five. In fact, she is exactly twenty-five, as today is her birthday. True story. Anyway, I'm telling you all this so you will understand why that GEN Z clue was a huge wince (1D: Kids these days). Maybe the very youngest members of GEN Z are still, technically, kids (i.e. under 18) but kids these days are definitely, solidly Generation Alpha. That is, *all* members of Generation Alpha are kids, but only a fraction of GEN Z are kids. If you are very old and still think "Millennials" are young people (they're middle-aged), and if you don't really know anyone GEN Z, I'm sure the "Kids these days" clue seemed cute and accurate. And I'll give you cute. But accurate it is not. Really surprised the editors didn't can that one. Also, on an extremely related note, YOLO is not "modern lingo" (36D: Carefree motto, in modern lingo). It is decidedly bygone. Like ... it started dying real soon after it became a thing in the early '10s (after Drake popularized it in the lyrics of "The Motto" (2011) and then The Lonely Island put out a "YOLO" song with Adam Levine and Kendrick Lamar (2012)). You can see actual lexicographers here talking about how that term died a hard and fast death. It fared poorly in the 2012 Word of the Year competition. Here's Ben Zimmer talking with Katherine Martin in Vanity Fair in early 2013:
__Zimmer:__I was always a fan of YOLO, even after the backlash hit, because for someone who watches the rise and fall of words, it kind of gave you a whole story of this very rapid development over the course of 2012 and its fall from grace, as well. When I wrote a column on it in August, I found out around that time that Katie Couric was starting her syndicated talk show and that she was going to have this regular feature, “What’s Your YOLO?” And when I heard that, I thought that’d have to be the death knell for YOLO.
__Martin:__We’re not convinced that it will necessarily stay with us in the long term. If you look at a Google Trends for searching, searches for YOLO peaked in April and then they began to plummet again, and they now seem to have evened out at a much lower level. By the time we were talking about the Word of the Year, we felt that YOLO was already passé. It was felt to be past its heyday; there was comment about there already being a backlash against it. Katie Couric was talking about YOLO.
Katie Couric, slang killer! Anyway, GEN Z were kids in 2012. YOLO was "modern slang" in 2012. It is not 2012 anymore. Lord, what I wouldn't give for 2012 right now, but ... nope, time opens all wounds and there is no going back.
Conceptually, I think this is a pretty cute theme. Hate the revealer though. It's flaccid. These revealers with no sass or zazz or pop, no wordplay, they depress me. Just "D'OH"? Not enough juice in that thing. But I like all the different "D'OH"-sounding endings. Very creative. Didn't love RED BORDEAUX as an answer. Felt like the kind of answer you use when you definitely need your theme answer to come out to 11 letters to make symmetry work. From a Downs-only perspective, parsing that one was rough, as was parsing JUSTIN TRUDEAU. If you don't know the theme and can't look at the Across clues, well then JUSTIN is likely to look the way it did to me: like two words. "JUST IN ... what, TIME? CASE?!" And TRUDEAU crosses were hard to come by. Had DAB ON (?) before RUB ON (30D: Apply, as ointment), and no idea about RAIDED or CODDLE or AREA MAP or TOUT at first pass (I had nothing for the first three, and HYPE for that last one). I was all the way down to the bottom of the grid before I got my first themer filled in (COOKIE DOUGH! Love Half Baked!) (the ice cream, not the movie—the movie remains the only movie I've ever walked out of). But COOKIE DOUGH didn't give me the theme. Only after getting SUPER NINTENDO, and then remembering that D'OH was at the bottom of the grid, did I have my own "D'OH!" moment and (finally) come back around to TRUDEAU and BORDEAUX.
The grid is a pangram—contains all the letters of the alphabet at least once. This used to be the kind of thing that constructors occasionally aspired to, but thankfully it fell out of favor as *trying* for the pangram often compromises basic fill quality. Also, no one cares about pangrams and most people don't notice. Still, I notice, and as pangrams go, this one doesn't feel too strained. To be clear, I think it's a non-achievement that no one should ever aspire to (just make the puzzle as good as you can!), but I don't think any real harm was done today. When your themer set already has the "X" "J" and "K" in it, you've only go got the "Z" and "Q" that are likely to give you any trouble, and the "Q" is pretty seamlessly handled today with SHAQ / QUACKED, so ... no foul.
Bullets:
68A: Frequently, to a poet (OFT) — an old poet, or a pretentious poet, yes.
18A: Wine choice in southern France (RED BORDEAUX) — pretty sure you can make that "choice" anywhere in the world they serve wine? "Wine from southern France" makes more sense.
38A: Where canines sleep (DOG BEDS) — our dogs died in 2019 and 2020, respectively, but we kept their dog beds and one of them is definitely now a cat bed. It takes up way too much space on the floor, and we keep thinking we should do something different with that space, but then I come downstairs and see Alfie lounging in the middle of that giant pillow and I don't have the heart to get rid of it. So this raggedy-ass dog bed is just gonna sit on our living room floor until god knows when, I guess.
[ignoring cat bed, sleeping on (grimy!!) dog bed]
[in species-appropriate bed, when he was much tinier]
55D: Word before food or mate (SOUL) — I am remarkably bad at "word that can follow/precede x or y"-type clues. The RAIDED clue, which I also struggled with, is also in this same family of clue (19D: Like speakeasies and refrigerators, at times)
That's all. See you next time.
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1D starting off weak, the first Gen Z are already 28 years old. Not exactly “kids”. Gen A makes more sense as they are actually all kids!
36D yolo is more of an irresponsible motto than a carefree one. TGIF would have been better imo.
41D the majority or students take SATs junior year (or sooner) in preparation for applying to schools, senior year woes would be college acceptance and rejection related.
And every time I have to type “ONO” in a crossword, I deserve a dollar.
Anonymous 5:45 AM YOLO does not always represent irresponsibility. I looked up the definition. While the definition does refer to taking risks ( but parasailing say is a risk but I don’t think it’s irresponsible) but the definition also says YOLO encourages people to “ enjoy life, reflecting a carefree attitude “. The answer is certainly close enough for a crossword puzzle. In other words if crosswords had only definitions they would be boring, Similarly, as you implied, SOME high school students take SAT tests senior year. That also is close enough for crosswords. It is a feature of these puzzles not an error (BTW don’t know about now,) but in the seventies many if not most took the test Junior AND Senior year. I did. Rex agrees with you about KIDS. He was annoyed by the clue.
My five favorite original clues from last week (in order of appearance):
1. Ordered clubs, for example (5)(5) 2. New customs might incite them (5)(4) 3. Connect with a flame (4) 4. Sheets might be placed in them (5) 5. Make a big step, perhaps (5)
Quick solve (I don't do downs-only). The revealer made the theme easy to grasp, provided that the solver knew "...eau" and "...eaux" were pronounced like "Doh." Later in the week "canines" will be a misdirect toward teeth; this is Monday, so DOGBEDS made perfect sense.
Thanks for that note. I have been pronouncing it correctly as long as I can remember but I never made the connection before this puzzle and your comment.
Medium downs-only solve, with many of the same snags as Rex. GEN Z with that clue? And the clue on SOUL is harder than the average clue of that type because SOULMATE is one word but SOUL FOOD is two words.
I don't do the downs-only thing either, not yet anyway, so for me it played relatively easy for a Monday.
Those quotes about Katie Couric and YOLO were hilarious. The cringy whiff of an oldster or getting-oldster desperately trying to stay current, and it shows. The verbal equivalent of a fifty-something middle school teacher dabbing in front of her class, badly. (I mean, when that was a thing -- I'm harking back to my own GEN-Z kids, now young adults, making fun of some such teacher back in that day. Similarly, I remember mock-threatening my then tweenage daughter with doing the "pickle" in front of her ballet class, and her whimpered PLEA "please don't". Haven't seen that dance move in years.)
I like the not-Monday cluing for RAIDED ("Like speakeasies and refrigerators, at times"). Reminiscent of Connections.
Re the discussion of the rise and fall of coined expressions: I should think meme mutations would provide excellent case studies of the phenomenon for lexicographers. My kids would show me memes from YouTube -- almost all of them baffling to old Dad -- and explain that for memes, sometimes the passage from fresh to passe would be measured in days. Just blindingly fast, faster than the gene mutations of viruses. Surely there are PhD dissertations waiting to be written there -- or is that also too dated a topic to warrant further study?).
Happily, D'OH is here to stay. Suitable for all age groups without fear of cringe, it's versatile, and it still retains a certain oomph, combining "duh" and "oh" so snappily as it does. Thank you, you clever writers of The Simpsons.
Cute Monday puzzle - I’m bummed I didn’t discern the reveal (I thought something to do with donuts for an instant). The reveal was the last clue I hit, and got the combination Aha and Facepalm emotion simultaneously. No complaints from me today.
Thanx Rex for the update on the Gens. Wonder how future Gens will ever keep track…Without the downs-only constraint, the puzzle was relatively easy. Only hitch for me was at the end had to go back to the NE where I had CuDDLE for CODDLE, and had tried to end BORDEAUX with an “s”. DOH!
I wouldn’t characterize Bordeaux as being in southern France. It’s Western France on the Atlantic coast. When talking about the South of France usually people are referring to the area along the Mediterranean including Provence
Completely agree. If you told someone you were going to the South of France no one would expect you to got to Bordeaux. It's like saying LA is in the American south, literally a true geographic description, but wrong.
My d’oh moment: For [Farm docs] I was thinking “documents”, and for a bit wondered what kind of documents farmers use that non-farmers don’t.
Congratulations on your second collab, Dena and Andrea, and I’m happy to hear that there are more to come, as you two click. Thank you so much for this!
Other wines from Bordeaux include White, Rose, Sparkling. So why not Red, just because that's the most prevalent? It's not redundant as Rex seems to imply.
Well, I agree that it's not wrong to say "red Bordeaux," it's just kind of unnecessary, because the reds are so hugely predominant in the region that if you just say "Bordeaux" it will be assumed that you mean red. When referring to whites, OTOH, you do need to clarify that by using "Bordeaux Blanc" or naming a specific type such as "Sauternes." So unless the context is a discussion reds vs. whites, for example, specifying "red" does sound redundant.
Hey All ! D'OH! 😁 I don't solve Downs Only, ain't nobody got time for that! So puz was Monday-Easy here. Saw the Pangram after seeing the Q and Z. The NW/SE corners are sequestered, only one square in/out (surprised Rex didn't mention/complain about that), good place to put the needed Z.
Nice DOH sounding things. Good ole ACME coming back to us. Nice to see you again, and Hello to Dena as well. Nice puz ladies.
That's about it for me. Nothing else coming into the ole NOGGIN. See ya from A VAIL. Har. (Don't worry @pablo, won't take a point for that!)
found this one to be pretty easy. faster than my average time, but not my fastest (due to those pesky typos!) tired of hearing about generations...it's just another way the top 0.01% keep us angry with each other instead of with them.
Doing non down-only, this was as easy as it gets. I was getting impatient that the clues would not slide up from the bottom of the screen as fast as I could type.
YOLO seems to be kind of like Gen Z, neither young nor old. While I’m sure google surges peaked as people were discovering it and a magazine working hard to stay ahead of the curve declared it dead 12 years ago, it is still with us, meaning clearly understood by most - if generally used with an implied ironic wink.
I don’t remember if RP commented on the Connections game, but I’m guessing not a particular fan since it is related to the types of clues he “struggles” with.
So I finally tuned into Jeopardy to see Paolo - at least he lost (fairly handily) to a band teacher. He was very graceful and had a chance for a comeback that fell short this time.
Paolo did great and will be back for tournament of champions. I don’t know a lot about how those shows are taped, but I think it’s a fairly grueling schedule, so it amazes me how contestants like Paolo and Scott Riccardi (at end of last season) can keep up the mental sharpness. Not to mention you have to have a very understanding employer…
How would a chemist force gold into a compound? JUSTINTRUDEAU.
Those lines and dots with names and borders and stuff? Those AREAMAP.
When I saw YOLO, I got to thinking that Yolo County, CA surely must have adopted something like "Yolo -- because You Only Live Once" as their County slogan or motto. Not so. However, I did find out that Yolo derives from a Native American Patwin word meaning "place abounding in rushes." And I guess that one who lives by the modern YOLO creed is in a place abounding in rushes (adrenaline chiefly). So the great circle of life is again shown to manifest in a four-letter crossword answer.
YETI digress. This was a fun D.O. (or D'OH!) solve. Thanks, Dena R. Verkuil and Andrea Carla Michaels.
Easy Monday, if you're not a downs-only masochist. I never get the GENs straight so I'm happy to have yet another explanation from OFL. Also found out that YOLO is out of date, and it seems like I just learned it. Oh well.
My favorite entry today has to be "sounded like a duck" for QUACKED. Not moo-cow easy, but duck-quack easy. Also one of the few NYT xwords I've done with no unknown propers. A rare day, that.
Ideal Monday for beginners, DRV and ACM. Didn't Require Very much thought and had A Completely Marvelous revealer. Thanks for all the fun.
@Roo--Go ahead, take half a point. I'll never catch up anyway.
It's not clear to me he was implying redundancy. I thought perhaps he didn't like it for being a "green paint" answer. (I thought there used to be a handy glossary somewhere of Rexian terms, like "Natick" and "Green paint". But anyway, "green paint" refers to an answer that doesn't quite rise to the level of a recognized "thing", i.e., a coherent unit that people talk about -- it's just a noun with some adjective stuck in front.)
Very enjoyable downs-only solve. Thought tour guide was going to be a caddie pun so the northwest was last to fall but once BORDEAUX emerged, it set things straight.
I don't solve Downs-only; I switch back and forth, filling in whatever crosses have the most traction. Solving this way, this puzzle went very fast, so I was surprised to see Rex's "Challenging" label. I thought it was a perfectly fine Monday offering.
I didn't notice the theme until the end. Appreciated that there was very little junk in the puzzle, Had to look up YOLO, as I have never heard of it nor heard anyone use it!
The Ben & Jerry's entry brought a pang, given Jerry Greenfield's recent resignation from the company e founded fifty years ago.
ASHCANs in many other cities, but better clued as "Artist School associated with NYC" As long as we're on solecisms, is Yoko ONO still Avant Garde? A quick easy puzzle for this old fogey.
I loved the reveal - because through all of the theme answers I'd been thinking, "Okay, they end with 'OH' sounds, ho-hum, " completely overlooking the D. So the D'OH was perfect for me.
I’ve always been a big fan of Andrea Carla Michaels’ puzzles. Clean, fresh, perfect for Monday or Tuesday. But this one just didn’t land right because the theme is shaky. NINTENDO, COOKIE DOUGH and JUSTIN TRUDEAU all end in the same sound but are sufficiently different in form to be interesting. But TRUDEAU and BORDEAUX? No. Just Neaux! (Look it up, it’s just about an hour’s drive west of Lyon.) And why would you clue RED BORDEAUX as a “Wine choice in southern France” when it is a wine choice everywhere?
On the other hand I really liked some stuff. YETI for instance. I know, I know, product placement and promoting a very expensive product. But I just happen to be drinking my late night cup of tea out of a YETI insulated cup. It is so nice to be able to get down those 31 steps that take me from my kitchen to my studio, through two gates, in the dark without spilling a drop and still having the tea be hot. Considering that I walk with a cane and need a flashlight to navigate those dark stairs, I’m happy to TOUT this product but I have to say that I would be unlikely to shell out the 40 to 50 bucks it costs, so I guilted my kids into buying it for me for my last birthday.
Let’s talk about DOG BEDS. I bought one for my buddy Pablo and he refuses to use it. As far as he is concerned, wherever he chooses to lie is a dog bed, including the place that I call my bed. It’s become a nightly ritual that I creep in about midnight, lift his floppy ear and whisper, “Scuse me, pal, you might want to think about moving over before I jump in and kick you in the face.” He grumbles, but he moves. (Speaking of canines, the coyotes are going crazy out there tonight. Must have made a really tasty kill. I can hear them over the Miles Davis I’m streaming.)
A couple of other things: ASH CANs are not the same as ash trays and AREA MAPs are not tour guides. And I never raid my fridge. After all, it’s mine. I just access it. But I liked the clue, nonetheless.
Not your best, ACME, but still fun. Don’t know much about your constructing partner but I look forward to her next offering.
In Northern Tier states where coal-fired home furnaces were once ubiquitous (lo these many decades ago) everyone had to shovel ashes out of the furnace and haul the ASH CANs out to the street for pickup once a week. As a young lad I was schooled in the difference between ash cans and trash cans. One did not put ashes in the trash can, or vice versa, due to the fire danger.
I well remember how happy my father was when natural gas lines were installed in our neighborhood. He quickly dismantled that old cast-iron behemoth and had a shiny new Sears, Roebuck gas furnace installed, about 1955 I think. No more ash cans!
@Sailor. We had one of those coal-burning monsters in our house in Vancouver when I was a small child - too small to carry out the ash can. It was replaced by a gas version sometime in the mid-50s. When, in my late teens, I started visiting my then girlfriend's family's cabin up the coast, we had to clean the ashes out of the wood-burning fireplace and deposited them in an ash can. Nobody collected it. Instead, it was carried up to the outhouse to be dumped. We still do that because we maintain the old outhouse as an emergency resource when 5 or 6 kids are lined up for the single bathroom we finally built. I don't know the reasoning behind this practise but, hey, my wonderful late mother- and father-in-law did it so I will continue the tradition.
As the only registered smoker in this extended family of about 25 people, I have inherited all the ashtrays. The one I'm presently using is a lovely, hand-crafted oval bowl with a colourful Paul Klee-ish design in the glaze. Almost seems a shame to park a cigar in it. But maybe not.
Enjoyed this easy, breezy Monday. Not as exciting as some but still kept my interest despite the (non) level of difficulty which is what I always look for (and write about here) for a Monday. Agree with @Rex on GENZ - my youngest is 25 and, while he sometimes acts like it, he is NOT a kid. But this kind of inaccuracy never bothers me in a solve, sometimes it gives the solve a bit of fun resistance as the answer is not the first thing I think of. I'm with @Lewis - I read 47D, Farm docs as a document, so went through the same DOH experience. This was an interesting moment for me as during the weekend I was doing a very old NYTXW from the archives - I think 2006. The clue was Doc that might demand silence or something like that - THAT one I read as "doctor" and put down ENT. The DOH moment came there when I realized it was "document" and the answer was NDA!! I love when that stuff happens (or maybe I'm doing too many crosswords in my spare time) Overall, cute theme executed well. I liked the revealer more than @Rex did and I thought the fill was fine. I could always use a little less NINTENDO themed stuff in my puzzles but that's a personal preference and heck, here you needed the theme to work so I'm good with it. Thanks Dena and Andrea for the nice, mellow ride.
This was fun especially after yesterday's fiasco (for me). Thank you, Andrea & Dena :) Happy Birthday to your daughter, Rex. And as a personal aside, as far as dog beds are concerned, my baby (Cinnamon) slept in the bed with me except for when I hogged it so she went into her doggie bed. I miss her.
I really enjoyed the puzzle today and I’m also somewhat amused at the YOLO/GENZ comments. I mean YOLO might be “stale” now but geez…2011/12 isn’t the “olden days.” Likewise, while there ARE young adults that are GENZ, still a fair amount of soon to be teenagers and teenagers within it. And @Rex, while my 41 year old daughter might now accept the term “middle-aged”, I kinda think my 36 year old son and his 31 year old wife might take umbrage to the middle-aged designation. One thing I do agree with…too much pigeonholing into generational categories with respect to “character traits”, etc.
I am not a "regular" reader or commenter so I need to ask what's with Nancy" absence? I certainly hope she is okay. I find her to be the Babe Ruth of the daily comment folks and I miss her and wish her all the best.
@bigsteve46 and anon 12:29, I agree and hope she will be back soon. Just to fill you in, Nancy told us in mid august that she had Covid. She returned to the blog after a short absence but was still not feeling 100%, and has again been absent for several days. But @Whatsername very kindly informed the blog yesterday: “Just wanted to let everyone know I’ve been in touch and she’s okay. She is still experiencing lingering effects of Covid and is taking some time off for R&R. But she assured me that she and her doctor are on top of the situation and hopefully she’ll be back on her regular schedule before too long.”
What exactly is meant by solving Downs only? Wouldn’t that imply looking only at the down clues and not referring to the across clues at all? If you didn’t get all of the downs in the first pass, wouldn’t you then be done? Or at least need to glance at the incomplete across solutions? Confusing.
@Anon, yes that's exactly it. After going through all the down clues and having some blanks, you guess at some across answers (without looking at their clues), especially the themers because if you can guess the theme it is basically an unwritten clue to all of them.
Trying to do down clues only, I got very bogged down in the northeast. For 10 through 13 down I had: GOLFPRO, PEAL, HYPE, and KISS. What a mess! So I "cheated" and looked at the 9 across clue which fixed everything.
At 31 down, I also had METRO and then CIVIC before URBAN. The worst thing about downs only is when there are multiple possibilities for a clue.
This puzzle needs a little thematic balance to all the modern stuff. How about "Breakout star of Roger Vadim's 1956 directorial debut And God Created Woman for one of the themers? Yeah, BRIGITTE BARDOT.
On second thought, it's 14 letters and those are notoriously difficult to work into a grid. D'OH!
By the way, Mme Bardot retired from acting in 1973 and became an animal rights activist, a role she still engages in. She has received several awards and accolades from UNESCO and PETA (per wiki).
I originally thought the theme (after 2nd one) was endings going from ...deaux, to ...deau, to ...dea to ...de That would have impressed me a lot, as is it is a good well done puzzle (except for south of France having anything to do with Bordeaux).
The youngest Gen Zers are 13 (I know this because my youngest is 13 and it is hotly debated between my kids whether he is Gen Z or Gen Alpha). Which means that roughly twice as many Gen Zers are adults (over 18) as there are kids. I cringed a little at that clue, too. I always think of a Bordeaux as red, but I guess there are white Bordeaux (Bordeauxs?) as well.
Would it be too much to hope they've noticed downs-only solvers and specifically made the down clues substantially more difficult than the acrosses? Cluing certainly felt that way on this unusually delightful Monday.
I figured it would be GEN Z, because Alpha wouldn't fit if you spelled it out, and you probably can't type in Greek letters if you're solving online. I still waited for the crosses, though.
i just spent ten minutes down the rabbithole of trying to find out how much white Bordeaux is made in a year; it's quite a bit, but only about 10% as much as the red.
Here's a link to Yolo Water Sports in Captiva FL. I've been spending spring break on that island for 30+ years, and it has always been there; but it's only for the last 15 or so that I understood it was an acronym!
Lemme guess... if you're from New England, all the dohs are not pronounced doh? Does it sound like a duck? QUACK.
You're a FUNGI. The favorite pun of all men. MSG should always be the food additive so as not to confuse me with the MET. I will never remember the difference between JIVE, GIBE, and JIBE.
1 Sheep show. 2 Nickname for Beatles killer in a baking class. 3 Abominable snowman invited a duck to dinner. 4 Richard sends a private message from the shower. 5 Stole your idea.
1 EWES FILM 2 COOKIE DOUGH ONO 3 YETI QUACKED 4 NUDIST GERE DMS 5 RAIDED NOGGIN
My Fascinating Crossword Uniclue Keepsake from Last Year: Rom-Com set amid knockoff handbags, watches and electronics. CANAL ST. REDEMPTION.
What wonderful cat pics! We have a leftover dog bed that the feral kittens and mom slept on last winter after I made a “cat door” into part of our half-basement for them. Had to shut it up after we found raccoons and a possum were also taking advantage of he situation.
I was glad to see OFL’s generational chart. It confirmed my hesitation at filling in that Z. I wrote GEN- and looked at the cross to confirm before committing.
Aren’t those cans you see outside in smoking AREAs called ASH CANs? Too OFT placed near doors.
ONE writeover - I actually tried Met for the Major NYC concert venue. An opera is a kind of concert.
Minor nit- unlike the other themers, COOKIE DOUGH used a stand-alone word for the D’OH sound, but if anything gets a pass, it’s COOKIE DOUGH.
NEO, ONO BRO - YOLO. Where’s @GILL I. when we need her? It was good to hear from her last week. I hoped she might be back today with a WILD SAGA about a FILM that takes place in a NUDIST camp. SHAQ is playing SUPER NINTENDO with JUSTIN TRUDEAU, while Richard GERE QUACKED his NOGGIN after washing down COOKIE DOUGH with RED BORDEAUX. I’M SURE her story would be MOST ZANY. (C’mon back, @GILL, I could USE some help here!)
PS. Thanks, @Whatsername, for the info on @Nancy yesterday. A couple of folks today were asking about her so I included your update in a reply to @bigsteve 12:50pm .
Easy when solved without self imposed constraints. No WOEs and no costly erasures (just the normal “accidentally hit the wrong key” sort of typos).
ReplyDeleteDelightful theme answers, an amusing reveal (I liked it a lot more than @Rex did), and a smooth grid, liked it a bunch!
Croce Solvers - Croce’s Freestyle #1047 was an easy-medium Croce for me. The center and SW gave me the most resistance. Good luck!
Croce 1047 was a solid hard for me, with SE and SW the toughest areas.
DeleteI found a few clues to be very lame today.
ReplyDelete1D starting off weak, the first Gen Z are already 28 years old. Not exactly “kids”. Gen A makes more sense as they are actually all kids!
36D yolo is more of an irresponsible motto than a carefree one. TGIF would have been better imo.
41D the majority or students take SATs junior year (or sooner) in preparation for applying to schools, senior year woes would be college acceptance and rejection related.
And every time I have to type “ONO” in a crossword, I deserve a dollar.
I alternate between smiling and cringing when I drive past our local YOLO smoke/vape shop.
DeleteAnonymous 5:45 AM
DeleteYOLO does not always represent irresponsibility. I looked up the definition. While the definition does refer to taking risks ( but parasailing say is a risk but I don’t think it’s irresponsible) but the definition also says YOLO encourages people to “ enjoy life, reflecting a carefree attitude “. The answer is certainly close enough for a crossword puzzle. In other words if crosswords had only definitions they would be boring, Similarly, as you implied, SOME high school students take SAT tests senior year. That also is close enough for crosswords. It is a feature of these puzzles not an error (BTW don’t know about now,) but in the seventies many if not most took the test Junior AND Senior year. I did.
Rex agrees with you about KIDS. He was annoyed by the clue.
My five favorite original clues from last week
ReplyDelete(in order of appearance):
1. Ordered clubs, for example (5)(5)
2. New customs might incite them (5)(4)
3. Connect with a flame (4)
4. Sheets might be placed in them (5)
5. Make a big step, perhaps (5)
ROYAL FLUSH
TRADE WARS
WELD
OVENS
STOMP
My favorite encore clues from last week:
Delete[Rare showbiz collections] (5)
[Keep to oneself] (3)
EGOTS
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Quick solve (I don't do downs-only). The revealer made the theme easy to grasp, provided that the solver knew "...eau" and "...eaux" were pronounced like "Doh." Later in the week "canines" will be a misdirect toward teeth; this is Monday, so DOGBEDS made perfect sense.
ReplyDeleteThanks for that note. I have been pronouncing it correctly as long as I can remember but I never made the connection before this puzzle and your comment.
ReplyDeleteMedium downs-only solve, with many of the same snags as Rex. GEN Z with that clue? And the clue on SOUL is harder than the average clue of that type because SOULMATE is one word but SOUL FOOD is two words.
ReplyDeleteI don't do the downs-only thing either, not yet anyway, so for me it played relatively easy for a Monday.
ReplyDeleteThose quotes about Katie Couric and YOLO were hilarious. The cringy whiff of an oldster or getting-oldster desperately trying to stay current, and it shows. The verbal equivalent of a fifty-something middle school teacher dabbing in front of her class, badly. (I mean, when that was a thing -- I'm harking back to my own GEN-Z kids, now young adults, making fun of some such teacher back in that day. Similarly, I remember mock-threatening my then tweenage daughter with doing the "pickle" in front of her ballet class, and her whimpered PLEA "please don't". Haven't seen that dance move in years.)
I like the not-Monday cluing for RAIDED ("Like speakeasies and refrigerators, at times"). Reminiscent of Connections.
Re the discussion of the rise and fall of coined expressions: I should think meme mutations would provide excellent case studies of the phenomenon for lexicographers. My kids would show me memes from YouTube -- almost all of them baffling to old Dad -- and explain that for memes, sometimes the passage from fresh to passe would be measured in days. Just blindingly fast, faster than the gene mutations of viruses. Surely there are PhD dissertations waiting to be written there -- or is that also too dated a topic to warrant further study?).
Happily, D'OH is here to stay. Suitable for all age groups without fear of cringe, it's versatile, and it still retains a certain oomph, combining "duh" and "oh" so snappily as it does. Thank you, you clever writers of The Simpsons.
Literally hundreds of dissertations in all branches of social sciences, human sciences, and humanities. Check out Google Scholar.
DeleteCute Monday puzzle - I’m bummed I didn’t discern the reveal (I thought something to do with donuts for an instant). The reveal was the last clue I hit, and got the combination Aha and Facepalm emotion simultaneously. No complaints from me today.
ReplyDeleteThanx Rex for the update on the Gens. Wonder how future Gens will ever keep track…Without the downs-only constraint, the puzzle was relatively easy. Only hitch for me was at the end had to go back to the NE where I had CuDDLE for CODDLE, and had tried to end BORDEAUX with an “s”. DOH!
ReplyDeleteI wouldn’t characterize Bordeaux as being in southern France. It’s Western France on the Atlantic coast. When talking about the South of France usually people are referring to the area along the Mediterranean including Provence
ReplyDeleteFelt same, lame clue
DeleteCompletely agree. If you told someone you were going to the South of France no one would expect you to got to Bordeaux. It's like saying LA is in the American south, literally a true geographic description, but wrong.
DeleteExactly!
DeleteAnd the puzzle contains all 26 letters of the alphabet. I know there is a term for that, and I am embarrassed I forgot it.
ReplyDeleteThe word that comes to my mind is "pangram".
DeleteRead Rex, he explains it appropriately.
DeleteI'd have preferred it if D'OH were just a kind of bonus themer, and the puzzle had no revealer.
ReplyDeleteSome weird clueing today.
A lot of GEN Zers were born in the 1990s, so really not kids any more.
An ASH CAN is for fireplace ashes, not cigarette ashes. Ash tray would be the term here.
A wine FROM France might be a RED BORDEAUX. A wine IN France would be a vin rouge, or a vin rouge de Bordeaux.
YOLO is not modern. The modern phrase would be DIFTP.
Oh, fun theme, bolstered by other pluses:
ReplyDelete• Every theme answer has pop … and is a NYT debut answer.
• Rare-in-crosswords five-letter palindrome (SAGAS).
• Echoing the theme, a plethora of O-ending answers: BRO, INFO, NEO, ALOE, MARIO, YOLO, ONO.
• Crossword staple PuzzPair© in ONO and a backward ENO-ENO.
• Lovely answers CODDLE and NOGGIN.
• Gridrhymes of EWES/FUSE and SHAQ/QUACK.
My d’oh moment: For [Farm docs] I was thinking “documents”, and for a bit wondered what kind of documents farmers use that non-farmers don’t.
Congratulations on your second collab, Dena and Andrea, and I’m happy to hear that there are more to come, as you two click. Thank you so much for this!
Schedule F (Form 1040) is the schedule farmers attach to their tax returns. Hence, a "farm doc."
DeleteOther wines from Bordeaux include White, Rose, Sparkling. So why not Red, just because that's the most prevalent? It's not redundant as Rex seems to imply.
ReplyDeleteWell, I agree that it's not wrong to say "red Bordeaux," it's just kind of unnecessary, because the reds are so hugely predominant in the region that if you just say "Bordeaux" it will be assumed that you mean red. When referring to whites, OTOH, you do need to clarify that by using "Bordeaux Blanc" or naming a specific type such as "Sauternes." So unless the context is a discussion reds vs. whites, for example, specifying "red" does sound redundant.
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ReplyDeleteD'OH! 😁
I don't solve Downs Only, ain't nobody got time for that! So puz was Monday-Easy here. Saw the Pangram after seeing the Q and Z. The NW/SE corners are sequestered, only one square in/out (surprised Rex didn't mention/complain about that), good place to put the needed Z.
Nice DOH sounding things. Good ole ACME coming back to us. Nice to see you again, and Hello to Dena as well. Nice puz ladies.
That's about it for me. Nothing else coming into the ole NOGGIN. See ya from A VAIL. Har. (Don't worry @pablo, won't take a point for that!)
Three F's
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Darrin AVAIL
found this one to be pretty easy. faster than my average time, but not my fastest (due to those pesky typos!) tired of hearing about generations...it's just another way the top 0.01% keep us angry with each other instead of with them.
ReplyDeleteRED BORDEAUX is bad. Yes, I am aware that a small amount of dry white wine is produced in Bordeaux.
ReplyDeleteAlso the best dessert wine in the world, Chateau d’Yquem.
DeleteDoing non down-only, this was as easy as it gets. I was getting impatient that the clues would not slide up from the bottom of the screen as fast as I could type.
ReplyDeleteYOLO seems to be kind of like Gen Z, neither young nor old. While I’m sure google surges peaked as people were discovering it and a magazine working hard to stay ahead of the curve declared it dead 12 years ago, it is still with us, meaning clearly understood by most - if generally used with an implied ironic wink.
I don’t remember if RP commented on the Connections game, but I’m guessing not a particular fan since it is related to the types of clues he “struggles” with.
So I finally tuned into Jeopardy to see Paolo - at least he lost (fairly handily) to a band teacher. He was very graceful and had a chance for a comeback that fell short this time.
Paolo did great and will be back for tournament of champions. I don’t know a lot about how those shows are taped, but I think it’s a fairly grueling schedule, so it amazes me how contestants like Paolo and Scott Riccardi (at end of last season) can keep up the mental sharpness. Not to mention you have to have a very understanding employer…
DeleteAgreed, hope I didn’t sound disparaging - more of a “just my luck” when I finally tune in…
DeleteHow would a chemist force gold into a compound? JUSTINTRUDEAU.
ReplyDeleteThose lines and dots with names and borders and stuff? Those AREAMAP.
When I saw YOLO, I got to thinking that Yolo County, CA surely must have adopted something like "Yolo -- because You Only Live Once" as their County slogan or motto. Not so. However, I did find out that Yolo derives from a Native American Patwin word meaning "place abounding in rushes." And I guess that one who lives by the modern YOLO creed is in a place abounding in rushes (adrenaline chiefly). So the great circle of life is again shown to manifest in a four-letter crossword answer.
YETI digress. This was a fun D.O. (or D'OH!) solve. Thanks, Dena R. Verkuil and Andrea Carla Michaels.
Easy Monday, if you're not a downs-only masochist. I never get the GENs straight so I'm happy to have yet another explanation from OFL. Also found out that YOLO is out of date, and it seems like I just learned it. Oh well.
ReplyDeleteMy favorite entry today has to be "sounded like a duck" for QUACKED. Not moo-cow easy, but duck-quack easy. Also one of the few NYT xwords I've done with no unknown propers. A rare day, that.
Ideal Monday for beginners, DRV and ACM. Didn't Require Very much thought and had A Completely Marvelous revealer. Thanks for all the fun.
@Roo--Go ahead, take half a point. I'll never catch up anyway.
On to the Croce.
It's not clear to me he was implying redundancy. I thought perhaps he didn't like it for being a "green paint" answer. (I thought there used to be a handy glossary somewhere of Rexian terms, like "Natick" and "Green paint". But anyway, "green paint" refers to an answer that doesn't quite rise to the level of a recognized "thing", i.e., a coherent unit that people talk about -- it's just a noun with some adjective stuck in front.)
ReplyDeleteVery enjoyable downs-only solve. Thought tour guide was going to be a caddie pun so the northwest was last to fall but once BORDEAUX emerged, it set things straight.
ReplyDeleteI don't solve Downs-only; I switch back and forth, filling in whatever crosses have the most traction. Solving this way, this puzzle went very fast, so I was surprised to see Rex's "Challenging" label. I thought it was a perfectly fine Monday offering.
ReplyDeleteI didn't notice the theme until the end. Appreciated that there was very little junk in the puzzle, Had to look up YOLO, as I have never heard of it nor heard anyone use it!
The Ben & Jerry's entry brought a pang, given Jerry Greenfield's recent resignation from the company e founded fifty years ago.
Ashcans were for incinerator ashes back in the day when apartment buildings superintendents dragged the ashes to the curb in ASHCANS.
ReplyDeleteASHCANs in many other cities, but better clued as "Artist School associated with NYC"
DeleteAs long as we're on solecisms, is Yoko ONO still Avant Garde?
A quick easy puzzle for this old fogey.
I loved the reveal - because through all of the theme answers I'd been thinking, "Okay, they end with 'OH' sounds, ho-hum, " completely overlooking the D. So the D'OH was perfect for me.
ReplyDeleteI’ve always been a big fan of Andrea Carla Michaels’ puzzles. Clean, fresh, perfect for Monday or Tuesday. But this one just didn’t land right because the theme is shaky. NINTENDO, COOKIE DOUGH and JUSTIN TRUDEAU all end in the same sound but are sufficiently different in form to be interesting. But TRUDEAU and BORDEAUX? No. Just Neaux! (Look it up, it’s just about an hour’s drive west of Lyon.) And why would you clue RED BORDEAUX as a “Wine choice in southern France” when it is a wine choice everywhere?
ReplyDeleteOn the other hand I really liked some stuff. YETI for instance. I know, I know, product placement and promoting a very expensive product. But I just happen to be drinking my late night cup of tea out of a YETI insulated cup. It is so nice to be able to get down those 31 steps that take me from my kitchen to my studio, through two gates, in the dark without spilling a drop and still having the tea be hot. Considering that I walk with a cane and need a flashlight to navigate those dark stairs, I’m happy to TOUT this product but I have to say that I would be unlikely to shell out the 40 to 50 bucks it costs, so I guilted my kids into buying it for me for my last birthday.
Let’s talk about DOG BEDS. I bought one for my buddy Pablo and he refuses to use it. As far as he is concerned, wherever he chooses to lie is a dog bed, including the place that I call my bed. It’s become a nightly ritual that I creep in about midnight, lift his floppy ear and whisper, “Scuse me, pal, you might want to think about moving over before I jump in and kick you in the face.” He grumbles, but he moves. (Speaking of canines, the coyotes are going crazy out there tonight. Must have made a really tasty kill. I can hear them over the Miles Davis I’m streaming.)
A couple of other things: ASH CANs are not the same as ash trays and AREA MAPs are not tour guides. And I never raid my fridge. After all, it’s mine. I just access it. But I liked the clue, nonetheless.
Not your best, ACME, but still fun. Don’t know much about your constructing partner but I look forward to her next offering.
In Northern Tier states where coal-fired home furnaces were once ubiquitous (lo these many decades ago) everyone had to shovel ashes out of the furnace and haul the ASH CANs out to the street for pickup once a week. As a young lad I was schooled in the difference between ash cans and trash cans. One did not put ashes in the trash can, or vice versa, due to the fire danger.
DeleteI well remember how happy my father was when natural gas lines were installed in our neighborhood. He quickly dismantled that old cast-iron behemoth and had a shiny new Sears, Roebuck gas furnace installed, about 1955 I think. No more ash cans!
There were still plenty of ash trays, however.
@Sailor. We had one of those coal-burning monsters in our house in Vancouver when I was a small child - too small to carry out the ash can. It was replaced by a gas version sometime in the mid-50s. When, in my late teens, I started visiting my then girlfriend's family's cabin up the coast, we had to clean the ashes out of the wood-burning fireplace and deposited them in an ash can. Nobody collected it. Instead, it was carried up to the outhouse to be dumped. We still do that because we maintain the old outhouse as an emergency resource when 5 or 6 kids are lined up for the single bathroom we finally built. I don't know the reasoning behind this practise but, hey, my wonderful late mother- and father-in-law did it so I will continue the tradition.
DeleteAs the only registered smoker in this extended family of about 25 people, I have inherited all the ashtrays. The one I'm presently using is a lovely, hand-crafted oval bowl with a colourful Paul Klee-ish design in the glaze. Almost seems a shame to park a cigar in it. But maybe not.
FWIW, I refuse to use a dog bed too.
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DeleteEnjoyed this easy, breezy Monday. Not as exciting as some but still kept my interest despite the (non) level of difficulty which is what I always look for (and write about here) for a Monday.
ReplyDeleteAgree with @Rex on GENZ - my youngest is 25 and, while he sometimes acts like it, he is NOT a kid. But this kind of inaccuracy never bothers me in a solve, sometimes it gives the solve a bit of fun resistance as the answer is not the first thing I think of.
I'm with @Lewis - I read 47D, Farm docs as a document, so went through the same DOH experience. This was an interesting moment for me as during the weekend I was doing a very old NYTXW from the archives - I think 2006. The clue was Doc that might demand silence or something like that - THAT one I read as "doctor" and put down ENT. The DOH moment came there when I realized it was "document" and the answer was NDA!! I love when that stuff happens (or maybe I'm doing too many crosswords in my spare time)
Overall, cute theme executed well. I liked the revealer more than @Rex did and I thought the fill was fine. I could always use a little less NINTENDO themed stuff in my puzzles but that's a personal preference and heck, here you needed the theme to work so I'm good with it.
Thanks Dena and Andrea for the nice, mellow ride.
This was fun especially after yesterday's fiasco (for me).
ReplyDeleteThank you, Andrea & Dena :)
Happy Birthday to your daughter, Rex.
And as a personal aside, as far as dog beds are concerned, my baby (Cinnamon) slept in the bed with me except for when I hogged it so she went into her doggie bed. I miss her.
I hope Nancy feels better soon. We need her here.
ReplyDeleteIs Nancy sick with Covid? I worry about her — miss her daily comments!
ReplyDeleteI really enjoyed the puzzle today and I’m also somewhat amused at the YOLO/GENZ comments. I mean YOLO might be “stale” now but geez…2011/12 isn’t the “olden days.” Likewise, while there ARE young adults that are GENZ, still a fair amount of soon to be teenagers and teenagers within it. And @Rex, while my 41 year old daughter might now accept the term “middle-aged”, I kinda think my 36 year old son and his 31 year old wife might take umbrage to the middle-aged designation. One thing I do agree with…too much pigeonholing into generational categories with respect to “character traits”, etc.
ReplyDeleteProfessor gives hilarious speeches in Gen Alpha's language. https://www.youtube.com/shorts/oj4wYbiP6V8
ReplyDeleteI am not a "regular" reader or commenter so I need to ask what's with Nancy" absence? I certainly hope she is okay. I find her to be the Babe Ruth of the daily comment folks and I miss her and wish her all the best.
ReplyDelete@bigsteve46 and anon 12:29, I agree and hope she will be back soon. Just to fill you in, Nancy told us in mid august that she had Covid. She returned to the blog after a short absence but was still not feeling 100%, and has again been absent for several days. But @Whatsername very kindly informed the blog yesterday: “Just wanted to let everyone know I’ve been in touch and she’s okay. She is still experiencing lingering effects of Covid and is taking some time off for R&R. But she assured me that she and her doctor are on top of the situation and hopefully she’ll be back on her regular schedule before too long.”
Delete@A…thanks for the update. I’ve had so much stuff going on lately (not bad) and have been very sketchy on blog, but wondered today about Nancy…
DeleteWhat exactly is meant by solving Downs only? Wouldn’t that imply looking only at the down clues and not referring to the across clues at all? If you didn’t get all of the downs in the first pass, wouldn’t you then be done? Or at least need to glance at the incomplete across solutions? Confusing.
ReplyDelete@Anon, yes that's exactly it. After going through all the down clues and having some blanks, you guess at some across answers (without looking at their clues), especially the themers because if you can guess the theme it is basically an unwritten clue to all of them.
Delete@Okanaganer. One the best, concise definitions of D-O solving. Guessing is definitely part of the game and themes are often keys.
DeleteTrying to do down clues only, I got very bogged down in the northeast. For 10 through 13 down I had: GOLFPRO, PEAL, HYPE, and KISS. What a mess! So I "cheated" and looked at the 9 across clue which fixed everything.
ReplyDeleteAt 31 down, I also had METRO and then CIVIC before URBAN. The worst thing about downs only is when there are multiple possibilities for a clue.
This puzzle needs a little thematic balance to all the modern stuff. How about "Breakout star of Roger Vadim's 1956 directorial debut And God Created Woman for one of the themers? Yeah, BRIGITTE BARDOT.
ReplyDeleteOn second thought, it's 14 letters and those are notoriously difficult to work into a grid. D'OH!
By the way, Mme Bardot retired from acting in 1973 and became an animal rights activist, a role she still engages in. She has received several awards and accolades from UNESCO and PETA (per wiki).
Thanks for reminding me of B Bardot. :)
Delete< ahref="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlOV6ywJt7s">Oh, it's good, good, good / Like Brigitte Bardot!
DeleteI originally thought the theme (after 2nd one) was endings going from ...deaux, to ...deau, to ...dea to ...de That would have impressed me a lot, as is it is a good well done puzzle (except for south of France having anything to do with Bordeaux).
ReplyDeleteThe youngest Gen Zers are 13 (I know this because my youngest is 13 and it is hotly debated between my kids whether he is Gen Z or Gen Alpha). Which means that roughly twice as many Gen Zers are adults (over 18) as there are kids. I cringed a little at that clue, too. I always think of a Bordeaux as red, but I guess there are white Bordeaux (Bordeauxs?) as well.
ReplyDeleteWould it be too much to hope they've noticed downs-only solvers and specifically made the down clues substantially more difficult than the acrosses? Cluing certainly felt that way on this unusually delightful Monday.
ReplyDeleteI figured it would be GEN Z, because Alpha wouldn't fit if you spelled it out, and you probably can't type in Greek letters if you're solving online. I still waited for the crosses, though.
ReplyDeletei just spent ten minutes down the rabbithole of trying to find out how much white Bordeaux is made in a year; it's quite a bit, but only about 10% as much as the red.
Here's a link to Yolo Water Sports in Captiva FL. I've been spending spring break on that island for 30+ years, and it has always been there; but it's only for the last 15 or so that I understood it was an acronym!
Welcome back, Acme, hope to see you more often!
Tienes razón, hermana.
ReplyDeleteLemme guess... if you're from New England, all the dohs are not pronounced doh? Does it sound like a duck? QUACK.
You're a FUNGI. The favorite pun of all men. MSG should always be the food additive so as not to confuse me with the MET. I will never remember the difference between JIVE, GIBE, and JIBE.
People: 7
Places: 1
Products: 5
Partials: 5
Foreignisms: 1
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Gary's Grid Gunk Gauge: 19 of 78 (24%)
Funny Factor: 6 😅
Tee-Hee: RUB ON SPICY NUDIST.
Uniclues:
1 Sheep show.
2 Nickname for Beatles killer in a baking class.
3 Abominable snowman invited a duck to dinner.
4 Richard sends a private message from the shower.
5 Stole your idea.
1 EWES FILM
2 COOKIE DOUGH ONO
3 YETI QUACKED
4 NUDIST GERE DMS
5 RAIDED NOGGIN
My Fascinating Crossword Uniclue Keepsake from Last Year: Rom-Com set amid knockoff handbags, watches and electronics. CANAL ST. REDEMPTION.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
What wonderful cat pics! We have a leftover dog bed that the feral kittens and mom slept on last winter after I made a “cat door” into part of our half-basement for them. Had to shut it up after we found raccoons and a possum were also taking advantage of he situation.
ReplyDeleteI was glad to see OFL’s generational chart. It confirmed my hesitation at filling in that Z. I wrote GEN- and looked at the cross to confirm before committing.
Aren’t those cans you see outside in smoking AREAs called ASH CANs? Too OFT placed near doors.
ONE writeover - I actually tried Met for the Major NYC concert venue. An opera is a kind of concert.
Minor nit- unlike the other themers, COOKIE DOUGH used a stand-alone word for the D’OH sound, but if anything gets a pass, it’s COOKIE DOUGH.
NEO, ONO BRO - YOLO. Where’s @GILL I. when we need her? It was good to hear from her last week. I hoped she might be back today with a WILD SAGA about a FILM that takes place in a NUDIST camp. SHAQ is playing SUPER NINTENDO with JUSTIN TRUDEAU, while Richard GERE QUACKED his NOGGIN after washing down COOKIE DOUGH with RED BORDEAUX. I’M SURE her story would be MOST ZANY. (C’mon back, @GILL, I could USE some help here!)
PS. Thanks, @Whatsername, for the info on @Nancy yesterday. A couple of folks today were asking about her so I included your update in a reply to @bigsteve 12:50pm .