Relative difficulty: Easy (easiest Downs-only I've ever done, possibly)
Theme answers:
While this puzzle is solid in many ways, it's also way too remedial for the NYTXW. If you could see some of the puzzles that the NYT is rejecting these days, you'd be baffled by how something as straightforward and, frankly, stale this got accepted. I was dead certain that someone *must* have done a theme exactly like this before, possibly many times, probably sometime in the early '00s or earlier, and boy was I not wrong. It took me no time at all to find that it had been done at least twice—once by Liz Gorski in 2000, and another time by Stella Zawistowski and Bruce Venzke in 2007. And yes, it's true, most people will not remember that far back, but I know many constructors out there, pros and aspiring pros, who work so hard to come up with original themes only to have the vast majority of what they submit get rejected ... and if you're them and you see something like this get published, some little part of you has to be thinking "how? why?" Again, it is not a badly made puzzle. It's not terribly imaginative, but it's coherent, and the grid is notably clean and solid. But the revealer is a total letdown—completely unnecessary, in fact—and the only way this puzzle distinguishes itself from its predecessors (beyond the unnecessary revealer) is that it has five themers instead of four. The answers are slightly different—KITTEN HEEL is a new one, and this one lacks the CUB REPORTER that the others had (which was the first alternative theme answer I thought of, along with KIT CARSON and maybe, I dunno, pick a KID any KID: Cudi? Charlemagne? Rock? Ew, not Rock. But you get the idea). But on the whole this is just a barely warmed-over theme that was only so-so to begin with. All you gotta do is search your prospective theme answers in the database to see if they've been used before, and if so, in what capacity. If you find someone has done your theme before, but yours offers something really fresh and new, that's OK. Otherwise, go back to the drawing board.
- KITTEN HEEL (18A: Short stiletto shoe)
- JOEY FATONE (23A: 'N Sync bandmate of Justin Timberlake)
- PUPPY LOVE (36A: What a first crush might be dismissed as)
- CALF MUSCLE (49A: Spot that may be affected by a charley horse)
- CHICK FLICK (56A: Movie marketed toward a primarily female audience, informally)
Make Way for Ducklings is an American children's picture book written and illustrated by Robert McCloskey. First published in 1941 by the Viking Press, the book centers on a pair of mallards who raise their brood of ducklings on an island in the lagoon in the Boston Public Garden. It won the 1942 Caldecott Medal for McCloskey's illustrations, executed in charcoal then lithographed on zinc plates. As of 2003, the book had sold over two million copies. The book's popularity led to the construction of a statue by Nancy Schön in the Public Garden of the mother duck and her eight ducklings, which is a popular destination for children and adults alike. In 1991, Barbara Bush gave a duplicate of this sculpture to Raisa Gorbacheva as part of the START Treaty, and the work is displayed in Moscow's Novodevichy Park.
The book is the official children's book of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts. Praise for the book is still high over 80 years since its first publication, mainly for the enhancing illustrations and effective pacing. The book is popular worldwide.
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While this puzzle is solid in many ways, it's also way too remedial for the NYTXW. If you could see some of the puzzles that the NYT is rejecting these days, you'd be baffled by how something as straightforward and, frankly, stale this got accepted. I was dead certain that someone *must* have done a theme exactly like this before, possibly many times, probably sometime in the early '00s or earlier, and boy was I not wrong. It took me no time at all to find that it had been done at least twice—once by Liz Gorski in 2000, and another time by Stella Zawistowski and Bruce Venzke in 2007. And yes, it's true, most people will not remember that far back, but I know many constructors out there, pros and aspiring pros, who work so hard to come up with original themes only to have the vast majority of what they submit get rejected ... and if you're them and you see something like this get published, some little part of you has to be thinking "how? why?" Again, it is not a badly made puzzle. It's not terribly imaginative, but it's coherent, and the grid is notably clean and solid. But the revealer is a total letdown—completely unnecessary, in fact—and the only way this puzzle distinguishes itself from its predecessors (beyond the unnecessary revealer) is that it has five themers instead of four. The answers are slightly different—KITTEN HEEL is a new one, and this one lacks the CUB REPORTER that the others had (which was the first alternative theme answer I thought of, along with KIT CARSON and maybe, I dunno, pick a KID any KID: Cudi? Charlemagne? Rock? Ew, not Rock. But you get the idea). But on the whole this is just a barely warmed-over theme that was only so-so to begin with. All you gotta do is search your prospective theme answers in the database to see if they've been used before, and if so, in what capacity. If you find someone has done your theme before, but yours offers something really fresh and new, that's OK. Otherwise, go back to the drawing board.
[R.I.P., Brian Wilson]
What was interesting about looking back at earlier puzzles with this theme was the JOEY evolution. Solving Downs-only, I got the JOEY part pretty quickly, and I really thought the answer was going to be JOEY RAMONE (used once before, in a Tim Croce themeless, 2013). He's an iconic figure of '70s punk. But then OFF-DUTY (21D: Not working, as a police officer) gave me the "F" and made me remember JOEY FATONE, as well as this JOEY FATONE-themed die-cast metal hotrod I bought at Toys 'R' Us around the turn of the century for $1.18, Why!?
Annnnnyway, after I was done, I searched JOEY FATONE to see if I could find out if this theme had been done before that way, but no: this is in fact a debut for Mr. Fatone's full name! Next I searched CHICK FLICK, and that's how I found the first version of this theme (2000). That puzzle also used Joey, but a different Joey: JOEY BISHOP. So this puzzle gets some credit for finding a more modern JOEY, and yet ... JOEY FATONE is about as "modern" now as JOEY BISHOP was in 2000, i.e. not terribly modern. The 2007 incarnation of this puzzle went with JOEY LAWRENCE, which, for its time period, is probably the most "modern" Joey of the bunch. Weird to me that none of these puzzles went with JOEY RAMONE, which, for me, is the best Joey option. The point is, there is no cultural consensus on who is the go-to Joey at this point in time. Not an issue you ever thought you'd find yourself considering, is it?
Another weird thing I discovered is that CHICK FLICK had a twenty-four (24!)-year hiatus before today's appearance. That seems very long. Actually, it got used in the plural in that 2007 version of this puzzle, but still, that's eighteen years. I would've expected an answer that colloquial and rhyming and bouncy to have snuck its way into some puzzle somewhere—a themeless, if nowhere else. Maybe people shy away from it because it sounds a bit derogatory, and certainly has been used by men that way for decades. I wouldn't normally use the term, for that reason, but I kinda like it as a phrase. It's got some life, some pizzazz. The other theme answers are fine as standalone phrases, and the grid overall, as I say, is very smooth, with a bunch of nice mid-range (6-7-letter) fill. There are real grid skills on display here. I just wish the theme were more ... something. Anything.
Bullet points:
- 30A: Vaccine-approving org. (FDA) — kind of dark, ironic humor here, having "Vaccine-approving" and RFK in the same grid (5D: ___ Stadium, former D.C. sports venue)
- 35A: Slanted edges, as on mirrors (BEVELS) — good word. Solving this Downs-only, I needed every cross but the "V" before I could guess it, which reminded me of that time (a long long time ago) when I faced a similar letter pattern in a crossword (BE-EL) and the clue was something like [Chisel face] or [Gem holder] and I thought "huh, must be BEVEL and the answer ended up being BEZEL, a word I'd never seen before in my life. Seems like kind of a cruel joke that one of the definitions of BEZEL is "A groove or flange designed to hold a beveled edge, as of a gem" (wordnik). Anyway, that "V" was crucial in my being able to get ADHESIVE (10D: Sticky stuff), the only Down that required multiple passes. Well, the only one besides ...
- 7D: Outset (GET-GO) — I had INTRO
- 23D: Bird whose name sounds like a letter of the alphabet (JAY) — first instinct here was the most common of three-letter birds: EMU. But that ... sounds like two letters of the alphabet (Roman, Greek), not one.
See you next time.
P.S. Here are the grids from those 2000 and 2007 puzzles that have this same theme, for comparison (both images taken from xwordinfo)
My five favorite original clues from last week
ReplyDelete(in order of appearance):
1. Small roll (5)(4)
2. Wall hanging, maybe (2)(3)
3. Intel asset, for short (3)
4. Eau zone? (3)
5. What a flipping tool! (7)
SNAKE EYES
TV SET
CPU
MER
SPATULA
Quickest solve ever, but only after changing "hip" to HEP.
ReplyDeleteI also keep a favorites list and look forward to seeing how many we both choose.
DeleteA nice thing about ignoring the theme is that what bothers Rex bothers me not in the least. ‘Twas an extremely easy Monday—the only rough spot for me was when I read the clue for 9D and saw that Boston Public Garden wouldn’t fit.
ReplyDeleteThe 2000 puzzle had JOEY BISHOP. Now, there’s the ghost of talk shows past. Never heard of the 2007 Joey What’s-his-name so had to look up his Wiki page. It seems at the height of his fame he was known for his catchphrase. Which was . . . “Whoa.”
Sic transit gloria mundi.
I remember when JOEY BISHOP was on beside Carson. He would do a tennis serve to end his monologue in contrast to Johnny’s golf swing.
DeleteThe two words that jumped out at me as being unusual for a Monday are ODEON and ETUI - I don’t recall bumping into ETUI before, which seems a little strange since it looks pretty darn Crossword-friendly. Weird to have seen something like OREO probably a hundred times, but I believe this is my debut with ETUI.
ETUI is notorious crosswordese. Hence, the crossword blog Et Tu Etui, found at https://ettuetui.blogspot.com/
DeleteDunno why Rex comes down so hard on this one when, at least as far as I can tell, it is error-free. So many of the puzzles these days are riddled with linguistic and factual mistakes; being sure of accuracy seems to me to be the necessary, if not sufficient, condition of a good puzzle.
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As Anonymous said ETUI has been used many TIMES. Traditional crosswordese, what Pedroinnh calls an old friend
It hasn’t been around much lately so maybe that’s why you don’t recall it.
Can we please stop talking about MSN and AOL as ISPs?
ReplyDeleteSeriously, this is painfully antiquated. Nor is AOL a website anyone visits.
DeleteThey are just listed as alternatives to each other, and despite not being cutting age, still have huge usage rates.
DeleteImpressive to fill a grid with (mostly) Monday words with so much themer space.
ReplyDeleteFang before FLEA, piSsY before TESTY (thinking at the time that was pretty bold for the NYTXW).
ETUI may be the ultimate crosswordese word. We don't see it as much as we used to - 102 times in the Shortz era, but not since 2021. But still, that's 102 times, and I have yet to see it outside of a crossword.
I actually did see ETUI once in an historical novel. My reaction was one of stunned delight - ETUI! The notorious needle case!
DeleteI also had never seen it outside a crossword but at the height of it popularity in crosswords I was in the Metropolitan Museum in NYC and there in room of French decorative arts of household items was a whole case of etuis. They exist!
DeleteGolosina en un palito para lamer.
ReplyDeleteOoo BABY, we were served the racist WASPIER yesterday and the sexist CHICK FLICK today, so buckle in for tomorrow you wheel-chair bound, Arabic, AROs. SATAN is running the puzzle, eh?
However, the much better news is my old friend from grocery store crossword puzzle books (RAGS?) has returned. Hello ETUI.
I'm pro old-school PIRATE. Thar SHE blows. AYE. Those modern pirates with diesel powered boats and machine guns and no parrots aren't as romantic.
People: 7
Places: 2
Products: 6
Partials: 9
Foreignisms: 3
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Gary's Grid Gunk Gauge: 27 of 78 (35%)
Funnyisms: 1 🤨
Tee-Hee: [Sticky stuff.] BOSOM.
Uniclues:
1 Those times when you were just limping along.
2 Reduced price on obese kangaroos.
3 Tool for short people needing to stand on their toes to see the buttons.
4 Sewing kit for eye patches.
5 Rude salutation to a teenaged honey.
6 Swords' arias celebrating blackthorns.
7 One who licks back.
8 When your son opts out of mowing the lawn.
1 KITTEN HEELS ERAS (~)
2 JOEY FAT ONE SALE
3 ATMS CALF MUSCLE
4 PIRATE ETUI
5 HELLO ACNE BABY
6 EPEES SANG SLOE
7 TESTY POPSICLE
8 TEENAGE RECUSAL
My Fascinating Crossword Uniclue Keepsake from Last Year: In addition to its duty as the go to tribe in Canada for crossword construction, they are also in charge of which alien ships can land on Earth. CREE EVEN UMPIRE UFOS.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
The simple theme makes this an ideal Monday offering as it provides a great intro to the concept of theme for new solvers, many who have no idea that crosswords can have themes. Learning that can be a revelation, adding a sweet layer of enjoyment.
ReplyDeleteAs for me, an experienced solver, there was plenty of enjoyment as well:
• Words I like (BEVELS, LOOPY, IN LIMBO, RECUSAL, STUBS).
• The fun of trying to guess the revealer (I was close, thinking BABE).
• Quirks in the answers: (13 of them contain long O’s, which seems to me unusually high).
• Connections between answers (that lovely PuzzPair© of HEP and DIG IT).
• TIL: (KITTEN HEEL).
I never miss Mondays. Too often, today included, they include stellar moments I’m glad I didn’t miss. Thank you, Jill and Michelle, for a splendid outing!
It’s so nice to have your daily positive spin on puzzles to balance out Rex’s critiques. Thank you!
DeleteI agree - I enjoyed this puzzle. I had not seen the theme before.
DeleteThank you for your discussion of how baffling it is that this was accepted by the NYT. As a constructor who has seen almost 50 rejections and no acceptances from the NYT (but many acceptances at other papers, so it’s not just that my puzzles are unpublishable), this is exactly the kind of puzzle that infuriates me. Not because it’s bad (although the revealer is pretty weak), but because I know the kinds of puzzles that were rejected to make room for it. I don’t like to whine - I’ll just keep submitting puzzles and maybe I’ll strike gold one day - but it is really disheartening to see this because it makes it seem like the editors are not applying the same standards to every constructor. It’s hard to win if the deck is rigged.
ReplyDeleteFound the across weirdly more difficult here... SKAT, KITTENHEEL, ODEON, ETUI. Downs were far easier. Interesting impedance mismatch.
ReplyDeleteGentlemen of a certain age will droolingly recall the exquisite dancer/actress JOEY Heatherton, who is 80 now and, I bet, still a knockout. She was married to NFL receiver Lance Rentzel but they divorced when she could no longer stand his referring to her as his greatest catch. No, actually they divorced after he got into trouble for indecent exposure to a ten-year-old girl. The Dallas Cowboys parted ways with Lance as well, trading him to the Rams and picking up a different receiver named Lance -- Lance Alworth (not to be confused with the famed dermatologist Lance Boyle.)
ReplyDeleteThere’s a finite number of themes out there. This one hasn’t been used in NYT in 18 years. I’m fine with that.
ReplyDeleteI’ve always loved Jack, Kack, Lack, Mack, Nack, Oack, Pack, and Quack! But I found this hard as a downs-only. (But easy once I looked at some across clues.)
ReplyDeleteApropos of nothing, Happy Bloomsday to all!
Yes yes yes
DeleteFor what it’s worth, Joey Fatone has found a second wind being a buddy/guest on Impractical Jokers for several years now.
ReplyDeleteenjoyed it. i often think rex is too harsh on easy puzzles. i'm a long time puzzler but still remember the struggles of learning how to do them. this is an excellent entry level puzzle.
ReplyDeleteThis may have been done before but like most things, if it were done six months ago it's news to me now. Very easy indeed, except for KITTENHEELS, which I guess are a thing, but around here you're more likely to see hiking boots.
ReplyDeleteHello JOEYFATONE. I bet you got teased a lot as a kid with such an unfortunate last name.
Welcome back ETUI! Now that's a word that confirms that I am doing a crossword. Still awaiting the return of either ADIT or ATLE, but at this point Godot may show up first.
Nice enough Beginner Mondecito, JR and MS. Just Right for Monday Solvers and thanks for a fair amount of fun.
I was just checking something on yesterday's blog and I saw your comment about Ctrl+Z getting back typing that had been inadvertently erased. I do that all the time and it's maddening. So I typed something and erased it deliberately; then I pressed Ctrl-Z and got it back! What a really valuable thing to know! Wish I'd known it years ago! Thank you!!!!
DeleteHey All !
ReplyDeleteRex, yes. Granted, I look back at some of my puzs and agree they weren't the greatest, but some were pretty darn good.
Nice puz, I don't remember those other two puzs. Wasn't solving in 2000. Maybe not in 2007 either, I think I started regularly solving sometime around 2010? Ish?
Won't tell you the year I first starting submitting puzs, it's too depressing and embarrassing! I really doubt anyone has surpassed my rejection number.
Anyway, this was a nice MonPuz. Good ole ETUI comes back, nice to see you old friend.
HELLO, I must be going.
Have a great Monday.
Five F's (AYE!)
RooMonster
DarrinV
LEICA and this is the "easiest downs only solve" ever? Mkay. Sure. Must be crosswordese I am not familiar with.
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It might be an age thing.
Remember a large part of the crossword population were already adults when film cameras were ubiquitous. Leica was well known as a high end German brand. I don’t like talking photos. But it was a gimme for me I don’t think any older person will complain.
I drink regular coffee with my left hand and decaf with my right. Currently I'm only drinking decaf due to a strained CAF MUSCLE.
ReplyDeleteTEENAGE me was diagnosed with Irritable Ball Syndrome, or TESTY Testes.
The famous quote from Julius Caesar was actually uttered because one of his attackers drew from his cloak a small case for needles. "ETUI, Brute?" exclaimed the chagrined emperor.
I can't believe that I lived these last 190 years or whatever without noticing that SATAN anagrams to SANTA. Maybe they were angel brothers before the fall. Any mention of that in scripture?
Agree on @Rex's general take and the easy-peasiness of the D.O. solve. Thanks, Jill Rafaloff and Michelle Sontarp.
There was a movie that came out last year about a kid who accidentally sends their Christmas list to Satan.
DeleteUh oh!
DeleteSANTA is from Sinta Klaus (Saint Nick) in Dutch. Never thought of that anagram. Thanks egs.
DeleteI don't think this one is any worse than other Mondays. Actually a bit better. I learned what KITTENHEELs are and that the goddess Audrey Hepburn popularized them when she wore them in Breakfast at Tiffany's.
ReplyDeleteAnother neat comment by Gary Jugert. Modern-day pirates don't have parrots. Also good stuff from Liveprof.
Sadly having FDA and RFK in the same puzzle is disconcerting. I had the same thought when I was going over the RFK Bridge (formerly the Triborough) on the way to Citi Field. To think that the reckless RFK Jr. is a stain on the reputation of his accomplished father who made such a impactful contribution to society makes me sad. I’m not even certain which government group will be approving vaccines under the current climate.
ReplyDeleteIf any.
DeleteSorry to say - his father would be turning over in his ... well, you know where ...
Delete@egsforbreakfast 9:52 AM
ReplyDeleteI'm a lifelong sufferer (survivor?) of IBS.
Liveprof - I am a 66 year old NYCer and certainly remember the sultry JOEY Heatherton. I believe her dad was in the biz too. I guess I am old as I remember JOEY Bishop too, though I needed lots of crosses to get JOEYFATONE
ReplyDeleteEven if it hadn't been done before, it wouldn't be very interesting. And there has to be a more interesting revealer than BABY. Or maybe no revealer?
ReplyDeleteI barely had to think as I galloped through this.
I never blame constructors, though, for repeating themes from long ago. How the hell would they know? I remember once sending a theme idea to my collaborator Will Nediger. He emailed me back that it had already been done -- and sent me a link to that puzzle. Pffft -- I felt like a collapsing souffle; the wind went right out of my sails. I thought it was such an original idea -- one of my favorite ideas ever. And in fact it WAS an original idea! The only problem was that it had been original to someone else first.
365 days a year. For decades and decades. And that's just the NYT. Then there are all those other crossword puzzle venues.
Do the math. That anyone ever comes up with an original theme is a true miracle.
Glad the Ctrl+Z thing worked for you, wish I had known about it much sooner, and you're welcome.
DeleteThe pond clue was so unnecessarily literary…the obvious answer to people who know the book is Boston, or The Public Garden, and actually for a later in the week puzzle it would be a nice clue for Boston. Pond is so…why not just say ‘where Frogs Live’ Its like using ‘Setting of Eloise’ to be ‘hotel’.
ReplyDeleteIf only someone could work in JOEYBUTTAFUOCO…
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DeleteI had to laugh
The general cuteness of BABY animals as well as their sly non-animal appearance in the theme phrases won me over. Someone else had already thought of this theme? Well, it was all new to me and a winner in the warm and fuzzy category. I also liked the CAF-CALF cross as a silent comment on English pronunciation.
ReplyDeleteNot to second guess Will but I'm sure there were other puzzles (Monday-geared) that are sitting, just waiting & hoping to be published that are a more interesting & satisfying solve than this. I don't mean to dis anyone's efforts, but this really wasn't up to NYT Xword standards, IMHO.
ReplyDeleteI'm sorry, Jill & Michelle - congrats & thanks for the effort :)
More medium than easy for me. SKAT was WOE right out of the gate, plus AZALEAS and JOEY FATONE took some crosses to recognize (I suspect gen Z solvers will not know JOEY). ODEON and ETUI also may be tough for novice solvers.
Very little junk, liked it.
Croce Solvers - Croce’s Freestyle #1019 was very easy for a Croce for me or about a normal Saturday NYT. Good luck!
Croce 1019 was a straight-up hard from me.
DeleteCatching up from last week, 1018 was easy-medium.
More proof of how I misremember stuff:
ReplyDeleteBy some miracle, my Yahoo email didn't erase my correspondence on the "original" puzzle idea I had that was shot down because it wasn't really completely "original." The correspondence was from all the way back in 2018 -- before I had ever submitted a puzzle anywhere at all. I hadn't yet been introduced to Will Nediger. The idea was nixed by another potential collaborator who did forward to me the earlier puzzle with the same revealer.
I just reread my theme ideas and what appeared in that other puzzle. Other than the revealer, all themers are different except for one. I can change that one.
My way of cluing is different from the other puzzle too. I think it's fresher and funnier.
I didn't know that much back then about the need for symmetry in the themers. I'll go work on that if needed -- which it probably is.
Will Nediger never saw this -- but, alas, he's in the middle of a long political boycott of the NYT. He cannot be talked out of it. I've had to find another collaborator -- and I do very much like and admire the collaborator I've found. Once I've polished this up, I'm going to see what s/he thinks of the idea.
This idea preceded my BLACK HAT debut puzzle by aa year.
Welcome back, ETUI! I missed you. Have you met the EPEES? I'm sure you'll hit if off nicely.
ReplyDeleteCluing the revealer by the theme answers is an interesting twist, although it does lessen its revelatory usefulness -- but it's an easy puzzle with an easy theme, so it made the whole experience more interesting.
I don't know much about pop music, but even I know that Joey rAmONE is not likely to have been a member of N'Sync. Never heard of that other singer, though. Got FAT ONE from crossed, and think he may have had a hard time in grade school.
Simple theme, but KITTEN HEELS strikes me as an outlier, much less well-known than the others--well, except for the baritone, I guess, which makes it better somehow.
ERAS as a plural is a stretch. I guess if you have 20 pitchers, each with an ERA, they are in fact ERAS, but it's not something you would hear in conversation. I never thought I'd say this, but a Taylor Swift clue might be better.
I liked RECUSAL. One might say that Justice Thomas is a specialist in the RECUSAL refusal.
Nice little BABY puzzle to start the week off.
ReplyDeleteThis puztheme tilted young, critter-wise.
ReplyDeleteAlso, it had two no-know themers, at our house: KITTENHEEL. JOEYFATONE. Unusual, for a MonPuz.
staff weeject pick [of a mere 25 choices]: FDA clue {Vaccine-approving org.} and its answer, RFK.
honrable mention to: LIL -- BABY rapper word.
fave moo-cow eazy-E MonPuz clue: {Bandit at sea} = PIRATE.
other fave stuff: POPSISCLE. ADHESIVE. INLIMBO. KARAOKE. TEENAGE [does TEEN qualify as a BABY critter?].
Thanx for gangin up on us, Ms. Rafaloff & Sontarp darlins.
Masked & Anonymo4Us
... award winnin extra work ...
"Runtpuzzy Awards" - 7x7 themed runt puzzle:
**gruntz**
M&A
Children who were born when the last time this theme was used are adults now. I think complaining about a theme that hasn't been used in 18 years is absurd.
ReplyDeleteI was shocked, or at least startled, to read that Make Way for Ducklings is the official children's book of Massachusetts. I'd have thought that would have gone to something written by a MA resident, of whom many have written children's books--McCloskey lived seasonally in New York and Maine. Well, these things happen.
ReplyDeleteI've never played SKAT, but as a teenager played the simplified version, sheepshead, virtually every day. Google Assist informs me that the latter is "popular in Wisconsin." SKAT is said to have much more room for strategy, but I've never learned how the two games differ. It's popular in the puzzle world, though.
I forgot to mention the brilliantly clued LOOPY in my earlier post. I also liked the theater mini-theme, with ODEON and RKOS. ODEON as Greek it also "bygone," but a British chain has coopted the name.
I tried pretty hard to get “Boston Common” to fit in the squares for Make Way for Ducklings, since it seemed like the obvious answer, but I guess the ducklings were indeed in a POND. But really, it’s not just any old POND.
ReplyDeleteI wonder if Joey Tribbiani has ever made the puzzle...
ReplyDeleteNot so easy Downs-only solve for me. I didn't know 5D and wanted it to be one word (name?), not an initialism, so I did a double alphabet run with ELEA and ILEA before I realized that FLEA crossing JFK or RFK was a possibility.
ReplyDeleteThe Gorski puzzle is a forced pangram (SUZYQ!) but the grid looks clean, especially for a 2000 puzzle. But MAN, does the fill in the 2007 puzzle get ridiculous. ALCOA x LIEF? LOQUAT and QEII just to get a Q in there? (I quite like LOQUAT, as Rex did in his review, but QEII is whatever) ICKES? ARNE right next to ZBAR? ORU SOO YMA in two tiny corners? ARNAZ is crossworthy for sure, but if you don't know the name, that [Letter-shaped beam] cross at the Z is brutal.
Did this one downs only after my Fathers’ Day dinner last night for which, I must point out, I had to cook the salmon and the asparagus. My lovely wife did supply a great lemon chicken pasta dish and a wonderful tomato tart (part of which I prepped; the tomatoes, I don’t do pastry). Kids showed up with a bottle of wine. I mean on Mothers’ Day, said lovely wife gets to sit back and sip Chardonnay while we all cook for her. What’s wrong with this picture?
ReplyDeleteFairly smooth solve. No real problems with the downs but, after finishing and reviewing the puzzle I had a couple of questions about the acrosses. 18A, for instance, KITTENHEEL. I’ve always liked them - very Audrey Hepburn - but notice that I said “them”. Plural. Who says KITTENHEEL singular? And 23A, really, JOEYFATONE? C’mon.
49A CALFMUSCLE. No!!! Just no. I’ve played contact sports most of my life and I have suffered quite a few charley horses. None of them have been below the knee. They are thigh injuries. I have looked it up and found sites that equate charley horses to leg spasms, but I’m not buyin’ it. Spend a week on crutches after someone slams you into the corner of a lacrosse box and tell me you have a charley horse in your calf. Really? Here’s what fittoplay.org has to say on the subject:
In technical terms, an injury that results from a direct blow to the thigh is called a thigh contusion, but it is also colloquially referred to as a dead leg or a charley horse. It is the outer part of the muscle that is most often injured. Thigh contusions are amongst the most common acute thigh injuries across all contact sports. (Emphasis mine).
End of rant. Nice easy Monday. Who doesn’t love babies, whether they be KITTENs, JOEYs, PUPPies, CALFs, or CHICKs. Or even kids who show up for dinner on Fathers Day.
lacrosse, lol….no cares what lax people have to say ever. next you’ll be talking about rugby.
DeleteNot sure where your "technical terms" come from but it seems to be counter to my understanding and all the information I found in a quick web search. e.g., the Mayo Clinic site gives Charley Horse as a synonym for Muscle cramp, and further says it is common in the calf muscles. Ive had them - no contusion involved, but felt like the damn muscle was tying itself into a knot; I had been dancing for 6 hours the 1st time I got one.
DeleteNot my technical terms but those of a website called fittoplay.org run by Skadefri + Oslo Sports Trauma Research Center (OSTRC), a joint venture between Ullevål University Hospital and the Norwegian School of Sport Sciences. You might have found them if your research had proceeded past the first entry on the page. They're pretty legit.
DeleteLes S More. Charlie Horse
DeleteOf course the Norwegian site is legitimate but that concerns medicine ( the standard medical term I assure you is very different) not the language issue hereThe question is whether Charlie horse is a common everyday reference to a calf muscle cramp in the US. It indisputably is. (Perhaps not in Canada?).
Also maybe the site is relying on English usage which may be different. also.
Another hand up for not being concerned about the non-originality of the theme. But can understand other puzzle makers’ puzzlement. First was surprised that anyone thought ETUI was something new, then realized I knew it as crosswordese only because I have been going through many old NYT puzzles.
ReplyDeletethigh muscle. garbage.
ReplyDeleteFar too many plurals. Felt like lazy construction.
ReplyDeleteSome people amp up Monday puzzle difficulty by solving downs only. Today I did that by solving on my iPad in a parking lot without my reading glasses. It still went pretty fast.
ReplyDelete'N Sync was never on my listening radar so I tried to change JOEY's surname to FAlcONE but TAMP tampered with that effort.
Thanks, Jill and Michelle!
@Teedmn - Haha! no-glasses solving would make me DNF for sure!
Delete"easiest Downs-only I've ever done, possibly"???? Totally different for me, mainly because I've never heard of KITTEN HEEL or JOEY FATONE. I was so sure it had to be JOEY RAMONE that I just made a mess of it. Plus, I had JFK at 5 down. There's an RFK Stadium??
ReplyDeleteOh well, with downs only sometimes you win, sometimes you crash and burn.
I was thinking this was one of the harder Mondays I've done, which I imagine was the experience for those who started with the Acrosses first and then went to Downs. I made significant progress only after reaching the Downs, so for what that's worth re: the "too easy for a NYT puzzle" debate. Finished well above my normal time. 6:30
ReplyDeleteSo there's someone named JOEY RAM ONE and someone named JOEY FAT ONE? OYS!
ReplyDeleteGreat comment by Anoa Bob
DeleteAnyway Like Nancyno memory of those past puzzles. Though I liked it. I knew that a woman or women constructed it when I got KITTENHEEL It is a fact that women are ( and maybe have to be) much more aware of male stuff than vice versa) In my case I vaguely remember seeing the term having no clue of what type it was But I knew it started with kit something. So shoe boot oh heel. I thought it was fair.
I had no problem with the revealer. I just ignored it till I solved the rest of the puzzle Rex did explain why many didn’t like it though
After the fact I had to get Fatone from crosses. The fact many here didn’t know ETUI and maybe an entirely different group didn’t know this Joey’s last name shows that both words are fine for a Monday Just because you don’t know an answer doesn’t make it bad. Because so many others do
BTW no real complaint about Li’l Nas X appearing perhaps rap &
Li’l now = crosswordese for everyone!
Funny that the ones commenting here about KITTEN HEEL being tricky are all men. I didn't think twice about it, and today's puzzle constructors are women as well. One of those things maybe you don't realize has never crossed the radar of half the population.
ReplyDeleteNo complaints here. While it is rather entry level, the theme was solid and I thought relatively gunk-free. I don't remember the previous puzzles that shared this theme (I was indeed solving back then) but even if I did, I don't think I'd care. As was pointed out, it is amazing when anyone, anytime, anywhere, comes up with a theme that has not been tackled before.
ReplyDeleteI didn't find it quite as easy as @Rex - I did not know SKAT, KITTENHEEL or JOEYFATONE. But the crosses all made them fair game.
Agree with @Rex that Joey RAMONE needs to make his way into a puzzle, I'm pretty sure I have one of his guitar picks that he threw from the stage at a concert at @Rex's place of employment and my alma mater, Binghamton University (well, then called SUNY Binghamton).
Am I the only one who REALLY likes the phrase GETGO? Enjoyed seeing that in the grid along with the CALF/CAF crossing and some other little nuggets that have already been pointed out.
Thanks Jill and Michelle for a smooth, breezy Monday ride.
@Hugh, you are mot alone and “From the GET GO” may be pretty dated, but so am InaneI and I still use it. I think it’s better than ones I hear fairly often: from the jump; from the off.
DeleteHands up from a rejected constructor. “How? Why?” indeed.
ReplyDeleteMy moment today was the really, really , really old saw ETUI. It’s one of the first crosswordese answers I ever learned, AGLET being another. Early in my introduction to crosswords, a couple years before I began to actually participate, I would check with Gran to ask “Are you done yet?” I was so curious about “the puzzle,” because it was a daily ritual. Kids always want to know what’s going on and I was no exception. I was also more persistent than many kids when I wanted to know.
ReplyDeleteGran never, ever in my memory missed a teaching moment, so she shared her finished puzzles with me when I asked. Before long (as many of you know), I was hooked and planted firmly in my chair next to hers to enjoy the daily process.
In the early days though, if I asked, she would show me the filled grid (she solved in ink!) and point out a couple interesting words. I would pronounce the word and she would tell me its meaning and we would occasionally look it up in the “main dictionary” (the big one on the stand) and talk about it. This day, it was ETUI. I vividly recall this because I made her giggle, and loved what I learned what day. Man, I loved words! Pretty sure I was 7.
She asked me how I would pronounce ETUI. I probably scrunched up my face for a second in thought, and then I puckered up and loudly sad “TOOOOEY! The E is silent.” “And what do you think it means?” asked Gran. I answered “spitting.” I recall getting a quizzical look from Gran, so I elaborated and explained that when Snoopy spits on Charlie Brown’s baseball team, it says TOOEY, in the comics, but added that it might be a different spelling. I spent a lot of time with the dictionary and was well aware of “variant spellings,” but that’s a whole other story. Gran went on to explain that in fact this E was not silent, and we went to the dictionary.
I was slightly (ok probably very) disappointed to learn the truth about an ETUI, but the big lesson that day was fabulous. Seeing my disappointment (I really thought I had that one), Gran told me she had a much better word for us to talk about and she turned the pages of the “main dictionary” to ONOMATOPOEIA! And I have the overused ETUI to thank.