Relative difficulty: Easy (11:50 with an oversized (16 wide) grid while at a bar)
THEME: MAKE LEMONADE — What to do when life gives you the proverbial items hidden in the long across answers
Theme answers:
Word of the Day: LAICS (Pastor's flock) —
Hey squad, and welcome to a Malaika MWednesday! I actually can't believe it's already Wednesday. I spent Friday and Saturday at a fantastically beautiful and fun wedding, and have been riding that high through mid-week. I still have the mehndi on my hands and thus it still feels like the weekend.
- [Platinum-selling singer who co-starred in the films "Moonlight" and "Hidden Figures"] for JANELLE MONAE
- ["Creature" that might "attack" a small child] for TICKLE MONSTER
- I loved the use of quotation marks here
- [Homing devices?] for ANKLE MONITORS
Word of the Day: LAICS (Pastor's flock) —
From French laïque, from Latin laĭcus (“common people”). A layperson as opposed to a cleric, i.e. not a member of the clergy.
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I thought this theme was very easy for a Wednesday!! Would have worked for a Monday just fine, in my opinion, but I acknowledge that it can be tough when a theme answer is a celebrity-- you either know them or you don't. In this case, I know and love JANELLE MONAE-- I was surprised to see her clued inre the movie Moonlight but I suppose that's the movie that won the awards. (She starred in the newest Knives Out movie which is both commercially successful* and more recent, so I had expected to see that.) (Not that Moonlight and Hidden Figures weren't commercially successful-- but both movies mentioned in her clue came out a decade ago.)
I think you could be a little pedantic and say the wordplay of this theme doesn't quite make sense-- the idiom asks you to make lemonade, whereas the phrases here "make" LEMON out of their letters. But I don't really care about that. The clue of the revealer is phrased such that everything is perfectly clear. And it's really impressive to find three exciting and interesting entries with LEMON hidden inside of them. I wonder in what order Ms. Rosenberg brainstormed these things-- I could imagine finding LEMON inside of JANELLE MONAE and then thinking "Oh man, I have to do something puzzle-y with that."
Putting my constructor hat on, the 16-wide grid is likely because of the frustrating lengths of the theme answers. This is one of the cool things about constructing-- as a solver, you're not likely to notice a difference between an 11-letter theme answer and a 12-letter theme answer. But they make a huge difference while laying out the grid!!
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In a 15-wide grid, if you try to put a 12-letter answer in the third row, it doesn't work because it creates some two-letter words, which aren't allowed. |
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So if you have a theme answer that's twelve letters long in a 15-wide grid, you have to put it in the fourth row. This makes your theme answers squished together-- four of them are taking up only nine rows instead of being spread over eleven rows. |
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But if you use a 16-wide grid, now it can go in the third row, and you're back to having eleven rows of space in which to arrange your theme answers. |
Okay, Constructing Interlude over now. The roomier grid gave Ms. Rosenberg some room to play with non-theme longer answers, and we got stuff GAVE IT A GO / PLASTERED / OPEN HEART / BACK AT YOU in the corners, plus DETROIT and HALF ASS. I could not parse OSCAR I at all, but got it from the crosses. With LAICS I had far less luck-- I have never heard this word in my whole life. I stuck to LAMBS for embarrassingly long, because I can't read I guess, and eventually had to run the alphabet on the I of ASIAN. (I thought that entry was going to be some biological Latin term that I hadn't heard of.) ET ALII with ALIA and NEIL was another crossing that could have been hard. I actually initially had ET ALIA crossing ALIA and was already to write a paragraph about whether that counted as a dupe before I realized my grid was wrong.
Reflecting on this, I assume the Times slated this for a Wednesday because of the harder fill, even if the theme itself was, uh, easy peasy lemon squeezy.
Bullets:
- [Girl in Jefferson Airplane's "White Rabbit"] for ALICE — I love this style of clue, where even if you don't know the exact trivia (I've never heard of the band or the song) you can puzzle it out based on the context
- [A/C measure] for BTU — I just finished reading the novel Sunrise on the Reaping, set in the Hunger Games Universe. The author likes to give the characters names that echo the industry they work in, and there's speculation that a mechanical engineer named Beetee takes his name from BTU.
- ["Divine medicine," per the Greek physician Paracelsus] for BEER — I just thought this was cute
*Okay, now that the write-up is over, I looked this up. Both Hidden Figures (236mill) and Moonlight (65mill) absolutely clobbered Glass Onion: A Knives Out Mystery at the box office (15mill), but that might be because Glass Onion was released by Netflix-- the og Knives Out, which was released traditionally, earned 312mill.
Someone please explain 59A and 54D, that intersection a Natick for me.
ReplyDelete"Dope" is slang for "cool." "Opdoc" is a portmanteau for "opinion documentary."
DeleteOPDOC only means “opinion documentary” in a NYT series of films. Not used *at all* outside that context.
Delete59A is exactly what the clue says it is. It’s a slang term meaning cool. Mostly used in hip-hop/rap. It’s been in use since the 80’s.
Delete54D is a little more murky imo. If you google “Opdoc” you get several hits referring to a series put out by The NYT and not much else. Not sure why it’s clued to imply it’s a general genre of film making.
Anonymous 12:55, I feel your pain. That SE corner was pretty tough for a Wednesday, IMO.
Deleteagree!
DeleteHi Malaika! I quite enjoyed and learned something from your nicely diagrammed Constructing Interlude.
ReplyDeleteI thought the theme was just fine, but I was quite annoyed by all the danged names. ALICE AMCS STEARNS ALI DETROIT DENALI TOSCA OSCARI ELISE, and then this awful clump of downs at the bottom: OSAKAN ELI NEIL SODOM SYDNEY JOANN. I too had ETALIA crossing ALIA and thought wait... is it ETALII? The really nasty part is that both NEAL and NEIL deGrasse Tyson looked correct.
And some names I do recognize can parse as other names that I don't. For instance JANE LLEMON--... Jane who?
I'm pretty sure OPAH is not accepted in Spelling Bee. Always a bit jarring when that happens.
@okanaganer, noticed that with ANNUM too. In the NYTXW Monday, not on SB's word list Tues.
Delete@okanaganer, re: your list of names. The only ones that tripped me up were AMCS (when I go to a movie I don't really care who owns the theatre) and OSACARI which I really wanted to be one of the Olafs. Minor hesitations at NEIL/NEal and SYDNEY, which I spelled with an I, even though I have been there many times. JOANN had to wait for crosses but that's just because I hate those kind of clues. So the PPP was mostly in my wheelhouse - I have a book of collected poems of Thomas Stearns Eliot on the shelf beside my desk; the poetry is good even if his anti-semitic views have led to a cancellation campaign, so that just dropped in. But even all that easy PPP couldn't make make me like this one.
DeleteEt alii and et alia are equally valid as clued so that is a real natick--you actually have to know how NEIL spells his name to get it. Also, speaking as a person born long after White Rabbit was released and Jefferson Airplane split, everybody should give it a listen, a full-body immersion into the drugged-out late sixties rock vibe in only 150 seconds: https://youtu.be/pnJM_jC7j_4
ReplyDeleteSpeaking as a person who was there during the late 60s, I agree with you about the song. It’s like a trip back to the vibe of that ERA in general.
DeleteThank you! I was feeling very old. I hope Malaika will give it a listen.
DeleteNo doubt! Feed your head, Malala!
DeleteThank you @jacke Grace was genius!
DeleteThose who don’t know it should check out the album “Surrealistic Pillow” that contains the song “White Rabbit.” It’s the very best example of a group making the transition from folk to psychedelic sounds and themes. A great American masterpiece.
Delete“White Rabbit” really takes me back! I hope Malaika takes a listen too.
DeleteResponding to Jacke et al about White Rabbit.
DeleteAs Anonymous said, made me feel old when Malaika said she never heard or heard of the song.
She should give it a listen
I am terrible at remembering who is a NEAL and who is a NEIL. On the other hand, when I didn’t get the happy solve song, I knew which square to change first.
DeleteAdd me to the “never heard of Jefferson Airplane/White Rabbit??” gang who also says “go listen to it immediately.” Grace Slick’s pipes! Jorma Kaukonen and Jack Casady!
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ReplyDeleteMedium. The top half was Easy, SW and South Central were Easy Medium, and the SE corner was Medium Challenging with "Could be anything" clues at 53, 54 and 55 down and 59 across.
Overwrites:
My 2D bit of color was a TINge before it was a TINCT
I (and president Trump) sometimes use a 15A Sharpie to REdraw besides using it to REDACT
I thought an 18D pastor's flock was LAIty before I learned it was LAICS
When I shed tears at 31A, I cry before I SOB
WOEs:
OSCAR I at 35A
ALIA Shawkat at 57D
LAICS? This is a very badly filled and edited puzzle overall, but LAICS is about the worst five-letter answer I’ve ever seen. The word is LAITY. LAICS should get someone fired.
ReplyDeleteFired? Is it that serious?
DeleteI completely agree! I came here hoping that Rex would complain about it. Oh, and am just appalled that the poster has never heard of Jefferson Airplane or White Rabbit.
DeleteInstead of being “appalled” that someone else has been living different life than you, you could try being excited for them! They have the opportunity to experience something new and possibly very cool for the first time. Or just keep being negative and critical of others. You do you!
DeleteI wish this wasn't anonymous. "Fired? Is it that serious?" Take a joke you Karen. My lord. And the comment above being overly sensitive about the word "appalled." Jesus this country is so soft these days. You guys are the reason we are where we are. Go back to your safe space. Get some friends!
DeletePerhaps the OP was a little harsh, buy LAICS does not belong in a NYT puzzle. As a former churchgoer, I know what LAIC and LAITY mean, but I have never heard anyone use LAICS as a plural noun.
DeleteAlso, the NEIL/ETALII cross is a horrible Natick, since NEAL/ETALIA works unless you remember how deGrasse Tyson spells his name. I'm not a huge fan of ET ALII or ET ALIA, since neither is common outside of crosswords. Any modern author uses ET AL.
You posted anonymously and seem very sensitive! But I think tempers are probably running hot for us all after some of that fill
DeleteParacelsus … is Swiss. Not “Greek.” There are three “IT”s in this puzzle. LAICS is not a word. Not sure what OPDOC is at all. The ETALII/NEIL cross is criminally irresponsible. I’ve never seen editing this bad.
ReplyDeleteI agree. I think it’s time for Shortz to call it a day.
DeleteMe three. Including LAICS is a misdemeanor. Misidentifying Theophrastus Bombastus von Hohenheim as Greek is a felony. The saving grace today was Malaika’s interesting and informative insights into grid construction, for which I’m grateful.
DeleteI hesitated to enter BEER because I've never heard of it being favored by ancient Greeks! Thanks for clarifying who Paracelsus was!
DeleteOh c'mon. Editing has been just awful many days of late. WS seems to be more interested in playing games on NPR.
DeleteHah! Earlier this month I actually put 2 volumes of Paracelsus' writings into a community garage sale. 10 bucks for both. A good deal, I thought, but I got no takers so I think they got donated to a local library. I mention this because I read the clue at 55D and didn't even notice the word "Greek".
DeleteThe Paracelsus error is pretty egregious.
DeleteEt alii and laics are very obscure but have been in NYT crosswords before. Latens does not seem to be a real word, less so than embiggens. Janelle Monae is a wonderful musician and actor and her Met Gala outfit was super cool.
I like The Airplane, great band, but they haven't been relevant in 50+ years. So to those posters encouraging Malaika to check them out I encourage you to listen to Janelle a current pop/rock star/actor, try the song Tightrope! Also I sent an email to the corrections department about Paracelsus
DeleteI also had "etalia" crossing "Neal" before looking up Mr. Tyson's first name, which left me with ETALII (I was sure it was wrong). Then I needed an alphabet run for the DOPE/OPDOC cross. Why is DOPE a synonym for "cool"? Who ever says that? There are dozens of better clues for DOPE than equating it with "cool." Bad. I got LAICS quickly, but I agree that LAITY is correct.
ReplyDeleteThe rest of the puzzle was easy, and the theme worked for me.
DOPE is a completely ordinary synonym for “cool.” Has been for decades.
DeleteAsk someone under 50 what it means if something is dope. They'll help you out.
DeleteDope has been a slang synonym for "cool" for decades -- started out in hip-hop, then expanded into general youth culture. OPDOC, on the other hand, was/is very obscure.
DeleteET ALIA crossing NEIL is just bad. I did like 1A though, A TIT.
ReplyDeleteThis cost me four or five minutes... Et Alia is a thing as is Neal, so...
DeleteAnd agree with complaints about laics vs laity but not as vociferously as some!
The wordplay with the theme is actually fine, if a little simpler/less clever than some others. The revealer clue does not ask you to "make lemonade" from the theme answers, it just references the hidden "lemons."
ReplyDeleteWait. You don't know Jefferson Airplane or White Rabbit? Ouch that hurts. You know so much but you must be generationally challenged. The Airplane is an essential part of the late 60's. Please listen to it. There are many versions, including a great one at Woodstock. Also, i once heard a version of only the voice of Grace Slick (taken from the studio recordings). While they were deep in the S.F. psychedelic scene, this was a wise warning to young ppl about drugs. Anyway, love your work and thank you!
ReplyDeleteProbably Malaika has heard Somebody to Love, since it's in a lot. of movies?
DeleteShe isn’t aware of it, but I’m betting she has heard it - at least once - in a movie or on a TV show. The words “white rabbit” aren’t actually in the lyrics of the song (although “chasing rabbits” is). I could see someone assuming the song is called “go ask Alice”, as those are the words repeated most often.
DeleteMolly Tuttle and Golden Highway (they are great) do a modern bluegrass version of White Rabbit, which is very dope. It’s on YouTube.
DeleteTo be fair, the song is over 60 years old. So yes, it and perhaps you may in fact be old. No shame in it.
Delete"Op-Doc" refers to a short, opinionated documentary, typically produced by independent filmmakers and artists. The term is used in the context of The New York Times's "Op-Docs" series…
ReplyDelete- via the obscure reference source “Google”-
Not a real term outside that NYT series. Ridiculous to pretend otherwise.
DeleteCool attempt at being snarky when you are wrong here. It's not a term.
DeleteQuite easily the worst fill of any NYTXW this year.
ReplyDelete100%
DeleteSmalltowndoc
DeleteI think saying the fill was the worst of the year is at least an overreaction
Laics
Plus Neil crossing alii did get a lot of complaints virtually every crossword has some clunkers. There were also some that people really liked, eg Alice
Personally, I am sure people say or write laics So it is a valid answer whether I like it or not.
Overall I just feel the outrage today was over the top
As was pointed out above, Paracelsus wasn't Greek. How unlike the NYT to make that mistake. But there were some sweet spots to compensate (TICKLEMONSTER, clue for ALAMO). And my favorite reminded me of a lesson I learned from my top sergeant, one that I taught my children and grandchildren. "If you have to do a job, do it right. Don't do it half-assed."
ReplyDelete@mathgent
DeleteWhich begets my question, If you do something well, is it a No-Assed job, or a Full-Assed job?
RooMonster Boggling The Mind Guy
Although I understand a lot of the criticism flying today, for 90% of the puzzle I quite enjoyed this, albeit as more of a Monday-Tuesday level of challenge.
ReplyDeleteBut then it's like the constructor suddenly got tired and HALF-ASSed it in down bottom with AT ALII crossing ALIA and NEIL and OSAKAN, OPDOC (whatever that is), and GETS AN A.
I really wanted cuddLEMONSTER at 27A, which of course worked with the theme and a ton of crosses. ICES IT fixed that.
SODA? Come on #$%
ReplyDeleteI agree. Ridiculous clue and answer!
DeleteIt works if it's an ice cream SODA.
DeleteIt’s interesting how just a few goober-headed entries in the grid can leave a bad taste in your mouth and kind of spoil the whole thing. I would put LAICS, ETALII and OPDOC in that category today.
ReplyDeleteI was able to psychologically deal with Mr. De Mille yesterday because at least some of his movies were made in black and white (i.e.a long time ago). Today was a real kick in the shorts though - Malaika has never heard of Grace Slick or White Rabbit - omg, are we really THAT OLD ?
Thanks to Malaika for the brief aside regarding constructing considerations, which provided interesting insight that never occurred to me. Good stuff.
Janel Lem O'Nae. Jane Llemo Nae. J. Anel Lemonae. Ja Nell Monae. Janel Lemonae. Good lord.
ReplyDeleteMalaika, enjoy your commentary. That is really elaborate and beautiful mehndi. Bet it was beautiful wedding.
ReplyDeleteThat ETALIa/NEaL crossing kept the chimes off. To make it worse, i thought it was NEIL, put that in, and changed it to NEal for ETALIA, thinking 1) wow, I guess it's NEal, and 2) wow, isn't that a dupe? Awful. LATENS was the last fill for me. Couldn't see that an afternoon might laten, and figured there was some connection to LATENt I was unaware of. And, HELL if I know, HAL FAST might be how you do something without much care. Chalked that up to staying up too late, as it was clear this AM but NEaL still left a Wednesday DNF.
ReplyDeleteLife, well, work in particular, has thrown me a lot of lemons since, oh, the third week of January. Think I'll make lemonade by retiring. Thought this was a great Wednesday, except for that I or A lemon.
Unforgiveable natick at JANELLEMONAE/STEARNS/OSCARI. Having an obscure celeb as one of the themers, especially one without an inferable name, is just ridiculous on a Wednesday. Obviously I've heard of TS Eliot, but had no idea what the TS stood for.
ReplyDeleteShe's been in multiple hit movies, performed on Saturday Night Live and the Oscars, and was nominated for 10 Grammys. She's not obscure.
DeleteThere’s lots to complain about today but if you think JANELLE MONAE is “obscure” lol you are old and not paying very close attention to the world.
ReplyDeleteBingo
Delete100. She’s had two albums nominated for Album of the Year, and been in the top 5 in Billboards. She’s been a top billed actor in two movies that were nominated for film of the year, one of which won. And starred in Glass Onion, which again was nominated for an Oscar and released on Netflix. Incredible critical and popular success, in two different areas. Indeed, unknown to you does not equal obscure. If you don’t know her, maybe get to know her? Yet so many posters also deriding Malaika for not knowing a song/band from (ahem) 60 years ago. She may well know it from frequent use in tv and movies, but not shocking if she doesn’t know by name.
DeleteMy reaction was I better look that one up. I don’t mind not knowing all the names and it was solvable with the crosses.
DeleteMight as well pile on: LATENS and LAICS were gross, while OPDOCS is yet more unwelcome NYTimes navel gaving/product promotion fodder (and not even clued accurately, at that). Not a hard puzzle, but lots of yuck.
ReplyDeleteI have to laugh at myself – I, who after so many years of solving, am still so gullible. I won’t tell you how long I pondered over what, beside dens, lions live in. Or how long I parsed the first word of [Drink with a straw] as a verb.
ReplyDeleteOn the other hand, I saw those LEMONS right away, and – and this is a big “and” for me – after leaving the revealer blank and not reading its clue, I actually correctly guessed it! This is a skill I’m so weak at, so I hammer away at it whenever possible, almost always with no success. I will stand a little taller today.
I loved seeing ASP, clued [Egyptian snake], in the same puzzle as DENIAL!
Also, I’m pleased (and embarrassed) to say that I learned what Eliot’s middle name is, then found out his first name; these are TILs I’ll remember.
Also, the theme reminded me of my mom, who often invoked the “When life hands you a lemon…” adage. This warmed my heart.
Thank you for all this, Danna, for a lovely outing in the box today!
Lewis
DeleteOne of the rare occasions I immediately guessed the revealer, after looking at the clue. The theme for me made the puzzle easier. Once you know LEMON is in there, MON— made me recall Monae I had forgotten she was in Hidden Figures & Moonlight.
Regarding hidden lemons, problem one for cyclist Greg Lemond, was finding the little monster who stole money out of his pocket – he saw it on the telemonitor – and when he succeeded it was celebrated tout le monde!
ReplyDeleteWow -- nice! The name Lewis has become an emblem one can only marvel at.
DeleteI second@liveprof, fantastic!
DeleteEven after all these years of doing NYT crosswords, there is still a moment of excitement as I look at the blank grid just before tackling it, where I don’t know what’s going to unfold, but I know there are going to be new things in it, that it’s going to be fun and maybe even a jaw dropper.
ReplyDeleteThat moment of excitement – every day – is priceless, a gift due to the skill and artistry of the constructors and the Times team. High props and deep gratitude all around for what you do!
Yes! The anticipation and the beauty of that blank grid … priceless.
DeleteBeautiful!
DeleteHi Malaika--OK, I don't know JAMELLEMONAE, which to you is obvious, and you don't know "White Rabbit" (or Jefferson Airplane), which to me are obvious, so I guess we're even. The Alice in Wonderland/ psychedelic drug thing was considered way cool back in the 60's, at least by some of us. Still a great song.
ReplyDeleteAccidentally saw the revealer before I finished with the themers and went looking for LEMONs and of course there they were. Met Ms. Shawkat today, how do you do. Sorry I've never seen Arrested Development
Only major slow down was in the SW where OPDOC was a mystery. Thanks to everyone above for
the explanations of what that is, couldn't remember SYDNEY, I thate those add-a-letter drop-a-letter clues. Saved by having the _____ER and hoping that the "divine medicine" would be BEER, because that's true, and so it was and there was DAYJOB and that was that.
Nice Wednesdecito with lots of good stuff, DR. Not exactly a Delightful Romp, but fun enough, for which thanks.
Well, as Malaika and many bloggers have already pointed out there are some rough edges to this puzzle, but @Lewis has also pointed out some of the better aspects. I liked the simplicity of the theme, as opposed to the oddness of some of the clues/answers (OPDOCS?) and the myriad names. Also much appreciated Malaika’s explanation of the construction planning—interesting insight!
ReplyDeleteIn a bizarre twist of fate, ETALII is duped in today’s LAT grid, clued as a “Latin catchall”. It looks just as out of place there as it does here. I’m starting to feel sorry for the poor word not feeling any love - although I guess that English words would look and feel out of place in an ancient manuscript.
ReplyDeleteThe poor two words
DeleteSo, here's what I don't get: The NYT is receiving more puzzle submissions from constructors from ever before... and yet we get fill like this?! I had a bitter taste in my mouth after putting in the first two words: ATIT and THATIS.
ReplyDeleteAnd a dozen names? Including obscure ones like JANELLE and ALIA. I guess we should be grateful that ELI, RAY and VAN weren't clued as people.
What is going on?!
Yeah the editors really let the constructor down today. Promising work for sure but the fill needed serious revision. And that Paracelsus gaffe shows that there are no fact-checkers on staff, which is troubling.
DeleteAnonymous 8:54 AM
DeleteAbout bad puzzle editing.
I read & have read the Times paper for over 50 years. All news outlets have drastically cut back on editing with maybe the exception of the New Yorker. In the Times dead tree edition the editing is still decent. The puzzle maybe not so much?
Agree with all this (former/discarded copyeditor here) but the games app is the biggest moneymaker the NYT has — perhaps tied with Cooking/recipes. So you’d think they could staff it properly.
DeleteHappy to see that Denali is still Denali, at least in the NYTX.
ReplyDeleteMe too!
DeleteCame here to see if Denali would warrant a comment from Rex. (Oh, no Rex today?). Stumbled on the revealer for a bit. Blame it on my years-long habit of saying “when life hands you eggs, make an omelette.”
DeleteI've always understood ET ALII to be ET ALIA. Blew my streak on that one.
ReplyDeleteSAME
DeleteTwo of my grandkids sold lemonade on the Jersey Shore last weekend. For a buck you choose pink or regular, plus Leon tells you a joke. They made $70 in one hour!! I suggested they quit their jobs as drug mules for the cartel.
ReplyDeleteWho wasn't in love with Grace Slick back in the day? That shayna punim of hers on that JA poster. She's 85 now. To 120!
People calling JANELLE MONAE “obscure” are embarrassing themselves. It’s fine if you don’t know her but yeesh, look her up maybe? Denigrating very successful Black queer people because they’re not in your particular demo—not the greatest look.
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DeleteI'm as gay as Christmas, and I've never heard of her.
DeleteWhite as Christmas, too?
DeleteDifferent Anonymous here to agree that if you haven’t heard of Janelle Monae, assume you’re out of touch, rather than she is obscure. She’s been huge, both critically and commercially, in both movies and music, for the past decade. I wouldn’t say be embarrassed about not having heard of her, as we all have our blind spots, but still, don’t declare her obscure due to your ignorance. That part is very much embarrassing.
DeleteUgh.
ReplyDeleteNo, King of Norway and Sweden. You are not allowed to be an OSCAR. You are only allowed to be either an OLAF or an OLAV, I forget which one.
ReplyDeleteIf I were a pastor, I wouldn't call my flocks LAICS. I'd call them LAITY. Which is what I wrote in first.
All these new coinages for "Cool" -- none of which sound the least bit cool. Who can keep track? When I had DO?E I wrote in DOPE -- which is the only choice that sounds remotely possible. But what are OPDOCS? Beats me.
TINCT/TINGE was my kealoa of the day.
I solved this as a themeless. The LEMONS were just...there. If they're going to be just there, why bother embedding them so nicely? They're not giving the solver anything at all to do. Why not turn them into a LEMON rebus? Which can conveniently be represented by nice yellow oval things. That would keep this solver at least far more entertained.
I see from the comments that I had a NEAL/ET ALIA DNF. Now I do know how the astrophysicist spells his name, but I never read the clue. NEaL came in from ET ALIA -- which I never questioned.
DeleteI agree with those who say that's very bad puzzle editing. HALF-ASSED editing, in fact. And thanks to the commentariat for disliking LAICS and OPDOCS as much as I did.
Former 5th grade teacher here. A student teacher once told my class not to hand in any half-fast projects. She got a good laugh when I told her what the saying actually was.
DeleteLove Malaika’s positive, happy vibe.
ReplyDeleteMe tooooooooo
DeleteEnjoyed the puzzle despite being slightly depressed after learning that Malaika has never heard of Jefferson Airplane. Just kidding. I’m sure it’s about the same reaction I have to a completely foreign video game character or rap artist. I solve on paper, but if I was on the app I would’ve had a Natick DNF because I didn’t know NEIL from NEAL and went with the more familiar alia. JOANN seemed weird as it seems most people put an E on the end, and it’s either Joanne or Joan. However I also know a lady whose spells it JOAN and pronounces it with two syllables. She can be difficult that way.
ReplyDeleteIf you’ve not seen Hidden Figures, watch it at your earliest possible opportunity. An incredible true story set during a pivotal era in our nation’s history. It GETS AN A in every category from me.
I see I’m posted as Anomymous again today. For some reason, my blogger profile keeps disconnecting from my Google account. Anyone else having this problem?
Delete@qhatsername, yes, that happened to me yesterday, and several times in the recent past. If I remember to check my avatar before I post I can fix it--but that will erase whatever I have written but not posted, so I have to remember to copy it first, then sign in, then paste my comment back in.
Delete@jberg: Thank you. Happened again after I thought I had corrected it today. At least now I know I’m not the only one.
DeleteHey All !
ReplyDeleteThanks for the construction lesson, Malaika, but I'm not buying it! 😁 Kidding.
If constructor went with the 15 wide, the Themers would be in Rows 4, 7, 9, 12. Granted, that only leaves one row twixt the center Themers, but such are the perils of puzzle-making. With this 16 wide, you get three rows twixt the center Themers, ergo giving you room to breathe, as it were.
Okay, apparently I just agreed with Malaika!
Anyway, neat puz. LEMONs in the midst of words. Ended up with HALFisT/EMiNATE/LATENt. No Happy Music, looked around to see that HALFIST just didn't seem right. Got a chuckle to discover an ASS. Silly me thinking we'd be ASS-free today.
Nice fill, considering there is big open spaces abounding in here. That's because of the 16 wide, while only having 36 Blockers. Normal max for 15x15 is 38, this is bigger with less Blockers.
I didn't quit my DAY JOB ...
Welp, have a great Wednesday!
One F
RooMonster
DarrinV
I agree with the poster at 8:54: The editing let down the constructor on this one. Nice theme to work with, but the full left a lot to be desired.
ReplyDeleteAT IT crossing ICES IT at the outset lets you know this one is going to be a slog.
AMCS at 20A should be included in the list of poor fill.
ReplyDeleteA real dud today. Terrible, niche fill and lots of obscure propers. Certainly this could have tidied up before being published.
ReplyDeleteLo mismo digo de nuevo.
ReplyDeleteNice hands, M!
Cute theme and a nice surprise to find the lemons. Delightful phrases. Of course you need all the beer and wine in the puzzle to survive the lumbering fill. A gunkorama excellanté.
I see the Nazi T.S. Eliot makes another appearance. I wonder if there's a group collecting signatures to do a digital book burning of his works by asking the NYTXW to light the Zippo. Rex'll let us know probably.
Actually, I'd be happy just burning LATENS.
People: 9
Places: 6
Products: 5
Partials: 6
Foreignisms: 3
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Gary's Grid Gunk Gauge: 29 of 77 (38%)
Funnyisms: 2 😕
Tee-Hee: Going ATIT. HALF ASS. SODOM. DOPE. Here's why slush pile editor can't be left to just anyone. Someone needs an eagle eye to pull this juvenalia from the heap of submissions from grown ups.
Uniclues:
1 Fish stinks.
2 Crime avenger in the morning, burro groom in the afternoon.
3 Swiping your flat Coke.
4 How Davy Crockett died
5 Why Ivy Leaguer misses classes.
6 Slogans of San Francisco and Las Vegas.
1 OPAH A TAD AGED
2 HALF ASS DAY JOB
3 AJAR SODA GRAB
4 ALAMO OPEN HEART
5 HEMP LATENS ELI
6 I CAN TOO SODOM
My Fascinating Crossword Uniclue Keepsake from Two Years Ago: Science fiction author at a rave. VIOLET RAY BRADBURY.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Stanning for a contemporary billionaire bigot like JK whose entire deal now is using her money and fame to hurt vulnerable people is certainly a look, but I don't think it's the one you think it is.
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DeleteI have sort of made a habit of ignoring anonymous posters, but I assume you're the same anonymous that purposely misrepresented me earlier this week. Nobody cares what I think, including me, but at no point have I supported JKR. She's just another billionaire dumb ass. But, I am positive book burnings have never promoted understanding, peace, or reconciliation. And among my trans acquaintances, none of them are losing sleep over Harry Potter. It turns out children's stories are not their main obstacle in life. Asking the NYTXW to ban Potter references is nothing short of a virtue-signaling book ban and in my opinion a way to make the puzzle easier for those unwilling read an amazing literary franchise that is now available for free in every used book store giveaway bin. I would expect this from right wing wackos and disappointed it's coming from the crossword community. Talking about these issues every time SNAPE shows up in a grid is a good thing, not something we need to ban.
This felt like an easyish Wednesday to me, and I liked the cluing. That said, the southeast corner hung me up, because I tried Janey/i, Joany/i, etc., but just couldn't land on JOANN, and that made it hard to get SYNC, especially since I had no idea about OPDOC. Oh well! Cute theme so I enjoyed it.
ReplyDeleteMan, I dunno. There was a lot of "ick" in this. Proper nouns (STEARNS, OSCARI), obscure terms (OP-DOC, ARO), obscure sayings (BEER), less-common spellings (ETALII). REDACT makes me think of black sharpie. Red sharpie is for editing. Any two of those things spread out is fine, but in the aggregate, it was too much. I did like ANKLEMONITORS, and HALFASS. Overall it gets a C from me.
ReplyDeleteI I can't resist stepping on @Gary Jugert's toes with a Uniclue:
ReplyDeleteClue: Ce
Answer: ALICE REDACT ALI
I believe that the orange moron is currently involved in a DENALI DENIAL. Nice puzz pair or something that @Lewis could name for anagraming answers. And speaking of you, @Lewis, yesterday you averred that the US has a trio of four letter states, by which you presumably meant Utah, Ohio and Iowa. But as I was walking my dog last evening it occurred to me that Mississippi, Alabama, Indiana, Kansas, Tennessee, Alaska and Hawaii also qualify. I believe you'll be able to see why pretty quickly.
What did the highlander say when asked if he'd heard of JANELLEMONAE? Jan Elmo? Nae.
If your DAYJOB is to guard diamonds, I guess you're being paid to ICESIT.
When a blue state pol goes to Hawaii, he might become a TANDEM.
Speaking of possible editing oversights, the clue for 9D is ["Oh yeah? Watch me!"]? With the answer being ICANTOO. This response, meaning "I can also" could be lawyered into acceptability, but the typical response would mean "I can so", making the answer ICANTO.
Enough out of me. Despite the complaints, I liked the puzzle. Thanks, Danna Rosenberg. And thanks, Malaika. It must really perk up the your local bar when you whip out you crossword and solve away!
@egsforbreakfast 10:08 AM
DeleteHoly cow. I do not know how long I stared at your uniclue before the penny dropped. Brilliant and sly.
Usually when a clue or answer seem off, people complain here, and then someone points out a nuance or attests that people really employ that usage where they are from (or when they grew up, often long ago). Something that makes me think, ok that's fair or at least close enough. All is well in Puzzlandia. I learn something from the gripe and the defense. It's part of what I love about this blog. It's like a nerdier version of Seth Myers' "Corrections" (watch it on YouTube- very funny, btw).
ReplyDeleteI didn't know that Paracelsus was not Greek when I solved, so the gripes for the BEER clue were a welcome entry to learning about the "Father of Toxicology." But, dang, there was nothing Greek about this dude. His name is even a *Latinized* version of his actual name. He travelled all over, but not to Greece. So weird to see something just flat out wrong like this in the NYTXW. Perhaps all is not well in Puzzlandia after all.
Oops, spelled NEIL as NEaL (a known variant) crossing ET ALIA (a known variant) for a DNF.
ReplyDeleteThere are a lot of IT's in this puzzle, forwards and backwards. I usually don't pay attention but when AT IT crossed ICES IT, I saw IT. Backwards in THAT IS, TICKLE, ROTINI, forwards in DETROIT, GAVE IT A GO. Unusual?
Nice theme and revealer, one I had to go back to for the lemons which nicely span the two words. Great Wednesday puzzle, Danna Rosenberg!
OPDOC?? LAICS? what the actual F (and I detest that phrase). Dunno, did not enjoy this one. First off, I struggled with the spelling of JANELLE's name. And I had JeANN/JeAN for the woman;s name/syllable thing. Finished way over my average . Oh, misspelled EMeNATE and thus could not see HALFASS. So not a good Wednesday for me.
ReplyDeleteJust now noticed this is a debut for the constructor. So congratulations to Danna! I enjoyed it.
ReplyDeleteEasy except for the SE…I needed to walk away and come back to finish that corner. I did not remember SYDNEY, OPDOC and BEER (as clued) were WOEs, SYNC and JOANN weren’t exactly obvious…tough corner for me.
ReplyDeleteI also did not know OPAH (as clued) and OSCAR I.
Cute idea, sparkly theme answers, liked it.
To my embarrassment, I was staring at SY_NE_ and had to look up the 2000 Olympics to fill in the blanks. Sigh.
ReplyDeleteI'm learning to look for hidden words, and I spotted LEMON right off, confirmed by TICKLE MONSTER. So that helped. And the revealer was appropriate--and for me, evocative. After my late mother recovered from her first bout of cancer, she became active in the Lemonade Society, which took its name from that saying.
I'm also glad to see the puzzle continuing with its DENALI affirmation, even while the inhabitant of the White House has a case of DENALI DENIAL. Interestingly, he hasn't tried to rename the eponymous national park.
ALIA crossing ET ALIA was not so great, though. (Oh, wait! He's neil, nor NEiL, so that's OK!) And then we get TINCT. I know tincture of iodine, which doesn't appear to be about color, but what do I know. And then LAICS? I stuck with LAIty for a long time my first attempt there was actually LAmbs, thinking it was a shame the pastor had separated them from their mothers.
ARO is definitely on A ROll, and ANO was appropriately clued as a Portuguese year, for once.
I studied the Wordsworth poem in college, though not with regard to its form. I just notice that it does not fit the usual crossword definition of "praise poem."
Easy except for the far SE, which almost did me in. Only guessing some kind of DOC allowed me to get SYNC and then the rest.
ReplyDeleteOut-of-body moment: Paracelsus as Greek? And Greeks revering BEER?
At 48A, I would like to propose "Foot fetishists" as an alternate clue for ANKLE MONITORS.
ReplyDeleteThis was a pretty quick Wednesday for me - could've run on Tuesday but just nit-picking, I guess. So DOPE is slang for "Cool" huh? I must be DOPE because I never heard of JANELLEMONAE. But one thing I'm not a dope about is that - I don't care what GENeration you are - you gotta have 'heard' of Jefferson Airplane & at least 'listened to' - even if just ONCE,
ReplyDelete"Don't you want somebody to love."
You go, Grace Slick :)
If I remember my Latin grammar, the language has three genders, masculine, feminine, and neutral. Since et al. is mostly used in bibliographic citations of multi-authored works, it usually stands for ET ALII, as here, which is sexist but common. (And since it's abbreviated, you can assume that it might be feminine, which I guess would be ET ALiae). ET ALIA means and other things, rather than people. Fortunately for all of us, the phrase is always abbreviated, so we don't have to know this stuff.
ReplyDeleteAs for that king, I never heard of him either, but I had O_C__ so it had to be OSCAR; and I figured he must be I, because if there were X of him I probably would have heard of him.
@egs, you beat me to the punch with the DENALI DENIAL.
Having ATIT as 1A should lead to a permanent ban on constructing. And including ELI as clued should be another ban. Also OPDOC is not a thing. It was invented by this dumb newspaper.
ReplyDeleteHow quickly we forget! I just realized that it was only yesterday that Rex posted a Simpsons clip in which Homer praises Jefferson Airplane, and Bart calls them a "stupid dinosaur band."
ReplyDeleteMON-stuff puztheme, in a coupla ways. Pretty neat fillins, tho.
ReplyDeleteWhat's OPDOC? [Looney Tunes question.]
staff weeject pick: BTU. It had the sole U in the puz.
Nice weeject stacks, NE & SW. ARO seems to be gettin more hits even than OPI, lately.
some fave stuff: DENALI & DENIAL. HALFASS. PLASTERED. GAVEITAGO. BACKATYOU. JOANN clue. DETROIT clue.
Thanx for the tarty solvequest, Ms. Rosenberg darlin. And congratz on yer debut.
Masked & Anonymo1U [S]
... and now for somethin kinda wackier ...
"Non Sequiturunt" - 7x7 12 min. themed runt puzzle:
**gruntz**
M&A
White Rabbit was cool when dope was dope.
ReplyDeleteYou're right I guess. My mother forbade me to go but I had older friends with a car so I went anyway. It was pretty "cool" (from what I remember of it anyway .... :)
Deletehttps://youtu.be/R_raXzIRgsA?si=Gbtmf1x7_ma8VPVy
Comment of the day, Jorma. Thanks for the chuckle.
DeleteJorma? Really? Either it's really you or it's just waaaay too obscure an alias. Good comment, though. Got a laugh from me.
DeleteAn apt theme, as this puzzle was a LEMON. I tried to squeeze some LEMONADE from it, but there was no juice. Hope the constructor has a DAY JOB.
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ReplyDeleteI'm not a critic of "crosswordese" per se -- but this puzzle is like a demo of it: ASP, ODE, ARO (a new entry in the crosswordese canon), ELI, ADO, OTS. And in addition to the not-in-the-language LAICS, LATENS and (spelled out) ETALII, the plural AMCS didn't land well....
ReplyDeleteNever heard of Jefferson Airplane ??
ReplyDeletehttps://youtu.be/R_raXzIRgsA?si=yqkj_SGnFvAUPHxp
ReplyDeleteIf I didn't get it right this time, I give up
It was supposed to be Grace Slick at Woodstock performing White Rabbit
Yes, that works if you drag and drop. Or just click this. And here are the lyrics.
Deletehttps://youtu.be/R_raXzIRgsA
ReplyDeleteThank you @Anoa Bob
DeleteA day later & I'm still obsessing
(I don't know if this post will show - but I'm trying again. Again, thank you :)
https://youtu.be/R_raXzIRgsA?si=84hqMxvZ8WYFqJLn
I really wanted the theme to be "Make LEMON ADE", as in substitute ADE in for LEMON somehow. So, maybe Rebus squares with LEMON for acrosses and ADE for downs? As it was, the theme was kind of just there (even though I enjoyed it).
ReplyDeleteNot my cup of tea for most of the reasons stated above. I have to agree with those commenters who place the blame on the editors. Seemed sloppy.
ReplyDeleteLoved the constructing lesson from Malaika.
I'm calling "Foul" on 65 Across / 58 Down. Both Et ALIA and Et ALII can be correct; either NEAL or NEIL is a perfectly legitimate spelling of a name. If we must clutter things up with pop-culture trivia names, at least don't cross them on a vowel that could be correct in any of several ways.
ReplyDeleteI'm definitely old enough to know about Jefferson Airplane and "White Rabbit," but if we're now adhering to the practice of censoring the works/achievements of people with "offensive" views, then Ms. Slick deserves to be relegated to the same ideological Siberia as the dreaded Ms. Rowling -- she has publicly recommended doing scientific experiments on human prisoners instead of animals. For that matter, next time EDSEL or any other product manufacture by the company founded by raging anti-Semite/Schicklgruber poster boy Henry Ford -- shows up as an answer, let's trash it with the same vehemence we use to go after Harry Potter references.
ReplyDeleteI always thought "BACK AT YOU" was pronounced more along the lines of "BACKATCHA!" or something similar.
ReplyDeleteThis solve was kind of bitter-sweet for me. Words or phrases embedded in other words or phrases themes are never going to excite me much and some of the fill was A TAD subpar. I've only seen the ugly-ASS LATENS in crosswords.
ReplyDeleteLAIC is the adjective for "nonclerical" but as a plural noun LAICS clangs off the back of the rim. Definitely a POC (plural of convenience). Yeah, the word for "Pastor's flock" is LAITY.
A few years ago while checking out U.S. National Parks I noticed that ARCHES anagrams to CHASER. I thought that might work as an xword theme. The only other Park that fit, however, was the one that's in today's grid and that several sharp-eyed commenters have mentioned, DENALI DENALI.
My go to clue for 55D would be Ben Franklin's "BEER is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy."
Nobody that excels at school GETS AN A. If you excel at school, you GET A’s or GOT A’s. If you excel at a single class, you GET AN A or GOT AN A. Or at least, that’s the grammar I would use.
ReplyDeleteAlia Shawkat is great in The Old Man. If you haven’t seen it, you should change that.
This is my favorite “half ass” story. I taught 5th grade for many years. One year I had a student teacher who very sternly told the class as they were lined up to go home, “I don’t want any half-fast projects handed in tomorrow.” Some kids looked at each other, but luckily most don’t listen on line anyway. She got a good laugh when I told her the actual saying.
ReplyDeleteThe director of the lab where I did my post-doc had a saying “don’t start vast projects with half-vast ideas.”
DeleteI am bothered by HALFASS - unworthy for the NYT.
ReplyDeleteA bit puzzled by the over the top reaction to this puzzle. An indisputable, blatant editor error is much rarer than many here think but this puzzle has one. I still think the reaction is crazy.
ReplyDeleteIf I were doing this on paper as I usually do there is a good chance I would have dnf’d at Neil/ alii But that Neil is very well known and I might have avoided it. After all I am aware that ALI- is a Kea/loa and with the whole word you should always wait to put it ln the last letter
et al in footnotes is actually as noted an abbreviation of et alii. most of the time. And both forms have appeared. quite often. Ergo tricky cross but not impossible.
It is poor form to insult Malaika just because she is not up on late sixties psychedelic music. I remember when the older generation did that to us Boomers and we all agreed how tacky it was! Remember the younger generations are facing a constant jet of musical content at all times. It makes it even harder to keep track of some music almost 60 years old
The reaction is reasonable and obviously widely shared. Stick to your own feelings and leave others out of it. Stop grandstanding like you’re the only reasonable person 🙄
DeleteAnonymous 8:58. I have been JOAN for almost 80 years and I’ve lost count of the number of times people have seen my name and called me “Joanne”. I wonder if the Joan you know just got tired of correcting folks.
ReplyDelete@CDilly from last night. Wow! Your fraughtness seems even fraughter than my fraughtness. Sorry to hear that but happy to hear that you have discovered that there are actually nice people out here in the "real world" and that some of them are actually men.
ReplyDeleteWow - a LOT of strong (and sometimes snarky) feelings today, scratching my head a bit... I'm in the @Lewis camp - looking at a blank grid any day of the week gives me joy. And I enjoyed this one, maybe not as much as other Wednesdays but the theme was cute, fairly easy to figure out (I was able to fill in the revealer with virtually no letters) and it was fun sussing out the themers.
ReplyDeleteIncluded were some nice long non-themers - BACKATYOU, GAVEITAGO, OPENHEART, PLASTERED and not enough short gunk to annoy me.
I also now know TS Eliot's full name - how cool (DOPE) is that?
Malaika - thanks so much for the great write-up and the insights on puzzle constructing - reinforcing my respect and admiration for the folks who make this magic every day. Also, anyone who reads your write-ups can tell you're cool - so give White Rabbit and Jefferson Airplane a quick listen - I think you'll be glad you did. :o) Even if you don't, you're still cool.
Incredibly easy- under 5 minutes on my phone, and I didn't even realize it was a column wider than normal. But hey, getting JANELLEMONAE's full name in was good enough for me.
ReplyDeleteEt alii is the masculine form of the neuter form et alia in Latin.
ReplyDeletedeGrasso Tyson spells his first name with an i, so this should have not been that difficult.
Laics is a legitimate word. See https://www.wisdomlib.org/christianity/concept/laics
I think that having the lemons embedded in the middle of the themers was perhaps an indication that the lemons had to be "squeezed" to make the lemonade !
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