Monday, June 30, 2025

Counterpart of a dog lover / MON 6-30-25 / A milk drinker may have one / "I'm done with you!" / Crescent moon, for instance / Exchange of negative commercials / Ancient city fooled by a horse

Constructor: Dena R. Verkuil and Andrea Carla Michaels

Relative difficulty: Easy-Medium (with one real stumper, for me, solving Downs-only)


THEME: "YOU TALKIN' TO ME?" (36A: Classic Robert De Niro line in "Taxi Driver" ... or a hint for 17-, 25-, 51- and 61-Across) — exclamations that end with a person's name:

Theme answers:
  • "GEEZ, LOUISE!" (17A: "My heavens!")
  • "WHOA, NELLY!" (25A: "Hold it right there!")
  • "NO WAY, JOSE!" (51A: "Absolutely, positively not!")
  • "BYE, FELICIA!" (61A: "I'm done with you!")
Word of the Day: "BYE, FELICIA!" (61A) —

In American English, the phrase "Bye, Felicia" or "Bye, Felisha" is an informal phrase and internet meme intended as a dismissive send-off, wherein a person or idea is rendered so unimportant his or her name is reduced to "Felicia." According to Ice Cube, who starred in Friday and co-wrote its script, "'Bye, Felicia' [...] is the phrase to get anyone out [of] your face that's saying something stupid". Nicole Richie said "Felicia is, like, some random that you just do not even care about." // The phrase originally comes from a scene in the 1995 American comedy film Friday in which Ice Cube's character says "Bye, Felisha" to dismiss Angela Means' character, Felisha. Due to the phrase being spread orally, it was incorrectly recorded as "Bye Felicia", now the most popular variation. // In an interview with Vibe magazine to commemorate the film's 20th anniversary, Means said she believes the phrase wasn't in the script and Ice Cube ad-libbed the line "based off what I gave him as an actor." (wikipedia)
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Gonna go out on a limb and predict that a lot of solvers (particularly older solvers) will not be familiar with the dismissive expression, "BYE, FELICIA!" It's very common, but there's gonna be a generational dividing line with that one for sure. I never saw Friday (1995) and never heard the expression "BYE, FELICIA!" until many years (decades?) later. It might even have been in a crossword context that I first heard it. Let me check ... no, I've never written about it on this blog, so it must've been while solving some other crossword. Annnnnyway, by the time I got down to that answer, I understood the basic structure of the theme, so I was looking for a name at the end of that answer, and once I got the "-ICIA" part, I had it. Definitely the newest and least broadly known of today's theme answers, but that doesn't make it invalid. I think it's a nice way to end this themer set ("BYE!"). As for the theme itself, it's very good: tight, clean, and with just the right kind of playfulness for a Monday. The revealer's relationship to the themers is perhaps a little loose—you have to imagine someone named Louise or Nelly or Jose or Felicia saying it—but it's such a good line, such an iconic line, that I don't mind the looseness. At all. In fact, I kinda like imagining the (unlikely) scenario of someone with one of those names wondering out loud if they're being addressed directly. Actually, people with those names probably get self-styled "funny" people using those expressions in their presence all the time. Is this true? Let me know, all you Louises and Nellys and Joses and Felicias out there.


The fill today definitely runs a little toward the stale / olden / crosswordesey. I don't need to list it all out, you can see it for yourself, pretty plainly. Just in case you can't, here's an abbreviated list: SRI ESTE NENE AYE SSN ÊTRE ERIES TKOS etc. etc. But you do get four solid long Downs, at least one of which (CAT PERSON) feels pretty fresh and original (10D: Counterpart of a dog lover). And the clue on MUSTACHE is unexpected and clever (39D: A milk drinker may have one). I got it off the "M," so it wasn't hard, but I did enjoy it. I have to wonder about the clue on ESSAYS, though (13D: Pieces of 1,000 words or so). Out of what orifice did they pull the number "1,000?" That seems ... totally arbitrary. Did A.I. write that clue? Nope, even A.I. (i.e. Google Assist, that annoying top search return that you have to scroll past if you want to find truly reliable information) is telling me that the number of words in an essay varies wildly depending on context.

["May contain inaccuracies" LOL I'm sure that will hold up well in court]

ESSAYS can be virtually any length. 1,000 words is ridiculous. "Or so" doing a lot of work in that clue. Can't believe someone, somewhere in the puzzle-making process couldn't have written a better clue for that one. 


Solving Downs-only, there were two answers that were very tough for me. The first was ALKALI (11D: Base that dissolves in water). I wasn't exactly sure how "Base" was being used in the clue, but even if I had known it was "Base" as in "counterpart of acid on the pH scale," I probably still would've needed to run the alphabet of possibilities at T-OS (as I did) to get the "K," which got me to ALKALI. But the real toughie for me today was an innocuous-seeming four-letter answer near the heart of the grid: FLAK (29D: Carping). I had the "A" and that's it. I couldn't make anything out of [Carping], esp. considering the answer couldn't end in "-ING" (as it wouldn't fit). I was thinking of adjectives meaning "complaining," such as you might use to describe a complaining person. Maybe ... something like "SORE" or "CRABBY" or "WHINY" or I don't know what. It was very tough to infer any of the missing letters from their crosses. Lots of possibilities for S-O, -OS, and AR-. I ran the alphabet for S-O and still got nowhere. It was only when I reran the alphabet that I realized I'd missed SFO as a possibility. Thought about potential F-A- words for many seconds before FLAK finally dawned on me. You catch FLAK or you give FLAK, and while "carping" is a plausible synonym, it's not one that trades places easily with FLAK (not in the ways that I would use FLAK). I'm not impugning the clue, just trying to explain couldn't easily make the connection. Downs-only solves can get perilous quickly, and in the strangest ways...


Bullets:
  • 24D: "___ camoly!" ("HOLY") — what ... is this? I've heard of "holy moly!" and possibly the jokey "holy cannoli!" (?), but "camoly?" What the hell is "camoly" even supposed to be doing? What sound is that? Is there a pun? Why would anyone add a "ca-" to the perfectly good "holy moly!"? "HOLY CAMOLY!" would've made a good theme answer if anyone on god's green earth had ever been named Camoly. Any Camolys out there? Calling all Camolys! Help me, Obi-Wan Camoly, you're my only hope!
  • 58A: Murmur during a massage ("AHH") — Is "AHH" a "murmur"? Especially in this context? I know we all love alliterative clues, but ... how to say this ... I've been seeing my massage therapist for the better part of a decade now so she's heard me make any number of sounds, but never "AHH" (that's more a "slipping into a warm bath" sound). Maybe some of my noises qualify as "murmurs," but most of them are guttural sounds indicating "&#^$% that part of me is apparently really *#&$^ing tense, thank you for figuring that out." Most of these sounds are unspellable. 
  • 32D: Buyer's protection (GUARANTEE) — I tried to make WARRANTY fit here. It would not.
Glad to be back on blogging duty full time now. I had a great week on Lake Ontario with my best friends. Much needed catching up / hanging out / eating / drinking / movie-watching time. We did jigsaws:



[Puzzles of 1,000 pieces, exactly]

And went birding:


[weird red-faced chicken/duck called a "gallinule" (this is not the actual gallinule we saw)]

[at Montezuma National Wildlife Preserve]

[didn't see one of these, but now want this exact drawing tattooed on my body somewhere. If I were a bird, this is what I would look like. This is the energy I would bring. All park illustrations should be done by schoolchildren]

And on the last day we went to the Eastman House mansion and museum in Rochester, NY, where I took a selfie with a very unexpected statue of Philip Seymour Hoffman (!?)


Thanks to Eli and Mali and Clare and Rafa for filling in. You'll be seeing more from them later in the summer (I go away to MN for a weekend in mid-July to see my daughter—currently Production Manager at the Great River Shakespeare Festival—and in August I've got a full week in Santa Barbara with my extended family, followed immediately by the Lollapuzzoola xword tourney in NYC). I enjoyed sleeping in, even if my body did keep waking up very early like "Time to Blog!" I've trained it well. Luckily, it let me fall back asleep, at least a little. I'm writing this on Sunday evening, but it's back to 4am wake-up calls for me starting Tuesday. Can't wait (no, srsly). I'll leave you with two last pictures of Lake Ontario, taken from the back yard of the place where we were staying ... 



See you next time.

Signed, Rex Parker, King of CrossWorld

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83 comments:

  1. Bob Mills5:48 AM

    No cheats, but I thought all the names were feminine so it took a few minutes to get NOWAYJOSE (I was looking for "Jane"). If I had started in the lower half it wouldn't have been an issue. Nice Monday...just challenging enough to enjoy.

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    1. Andrea and I tried to make it all women, to no avail. The editors (fairly) nixed OKAYKAREN.

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    2. @Dena, congrats on your NYTXW debut! And thanks for coming by here today.

      I've got to agree with the editors' call on OKAY KAREN. That entry would've given a whole different vibe to this puzzle, I'm afraid.

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  2. Holy CAMOLY is definitely an expression, I’ve heard it many times. No idea where it comes from. I’m pretty sure it was one of the “holy ___” expressions Robin used to say on the old Batman and Robin TV show.

    Have never heard BYEFELICIA so that dates me apparently.

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    1. Anonymous11:30 AM

      @jjk, Holy cannoli, Batman! You nailed it.

      regards,
      JimG

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    2. Anonymous11:54 AM

      We have always say holy cannoli. We are Italian Americans so my elders may have corrupted the original saying, which I never heard of.

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    3. Or Holy Moly Guacamole

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    4. Anonymous10:29 PM

      Or holy frijoles. If youre a mexican food afficianado

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  3. Andy Freude6:13 AM

    Hand up for never having heard BYEFELICIA till now.

    Montezuma looks like a great place for birding. I’ve seen purple gallinules in Florida but didn’t know they have a “common” relative whose range goes north into Canada. (Thanks, Cornell Lab!)

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  4. Nice, very fair write-up by our returning host today. I was nearly done in as well by the aforementioned BYE FELICIA, and SHERA (SHE-RA) didn’t come to me until after the solve - so a little temporary confusion on a Monday, but I did get the happy music at the end.

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  5. EasyEd7:00 AM

    Wow, somebody came back from vacation well rested and in a good mood! I think the word that hit the spot for this puzzle was “playful”. Welcome back also to ACME. Another hand up for not ever having heard BYEFELICIA, but it just seemed to roll out from the context. While I made some edits as I went along, when I plunked in the last letter of FETA I got the happy music, a rare feat for me.

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  6. Hard, but a lot of that is on whatever BYE FELICIA is. Whatever it is, it’s not Monday material. Have never heard camoly either; I wonder if that has a similar age gap.

    And Dracula wore a cloak, not a CAPE

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    1. Anonymous2:26 PM

      Kitshef
      Don’t think one answer , even a long themer , can turn an easy puzzle into a hard one, especially when the crosses are so easy. Also we know it is going to be an expression plus a name, so not a complete mystery. I personally never heard it being almost 73. I didn’t think the puzzle skewed young. Lots of stuff for Boomers.
      I immediately thought Holy. What other four letter word could it be?
      I came to the blog thinking people were going to complain the puzzle was way too easy

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  7. Welcome back, @Rex! And thanks to your substitutes, who were excellent as always.

    This puzzle put up almost zero resistance. I had encountered BYE FELICIA before, undoubtedly through crosswords and was able to drag it out of the neurons with only a few crosses. Still, it's not exactly part of my day-to-day conversation.

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  8. ACME has these early week puzzles down cold at this point. Cute but nuanced theme and well filled. Loved WHOA NELLY and NO WAY JOSE.

    Corrido for PAPA Lalo

    No issue with the ESSAY clue - it provides a general magnitude - larger than a quip or quote and smaller than a novel or treatise. Knew FELICIA so that helped. Liked PEEK A BOO and MUSTACHE. Slight side eye to the PERSON - PEOPLE stack. Agree with the big guy on Camoly.

    Southside Johnny

    Enjoyable Monday morning solve. I love the retro feel of your vacation summaries Rex - they harken back to my dad’s slide decks after the summer road trips.

    OMD

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  9. Anonymous7:22 AM

    Always thought it was "Whoa Nellie"?

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    1. It is indeed Whoa Nellie. For a fine meal after a hike in the High Sierras, try the Whoa Nellie Deli in Lee Vining, California.

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  10. Sweet whimsical theme. Quirky charming phrases tied together by an iconic movie phrase – “You talkin’ to me?” – that evokes a mood that’s fun to feel.

    I love the rhyme of the LOUISE and JOSE phrases.

    Lots of lovely serendipities in the box today:
    • Food references: OREO, NUTS, FED, EATEN, ASADA, FETA, FAVA.
    • Speaking of FAVA, row 12 – GRIN / AHH / FAVA – Reminds me of “Silence of the Lambs”.
    • PuzzPair© of STYE and MUST ACHE.
    • Sea jargon cross of AYE and AHOY.
    • Boggle-style TED neighboring LASSO.

    Congratulations, Debut Dena, and to you, Andrea, on your 88th Times puzzle. Your puzzle left me in a splendid mood -- thank you!

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  11. Apologies if this is a partial repeat, my first draft disappeared halfway through.

    Anyway--

    Thought we were dealing with women's names, then lost time by humming "LOUISE" all the way through ('They all said LOUISE was not half bad") after JEEZLOUISE, then WHOANELLY got me thinking about the great Keith Jackson. The revealer was in the middle of the puzz (boo!) but it's such a great phrase I didn't care (yay!). Side eye to FLAK as a synonym for carping, which is a real stretch.

    I've had a MUSTACHE for 60+ years and I still want to spell it "moustache". Didn't know SHERA but did remember BYEFELICIA from somewhere.

    And how can you have bird shout outs and not salute crossword classic NENE?

    Thought this was an excellent offering, DRV and ACM. Didn't Require Very much cogitation but A Charming Monday indeed, and thanks for all the fun.

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  12. Anonymous7:54 AM

    This was considered easy-medium??? This was super duper easy for me. I’m always amazed when people find the puzzles hard that I found simplistic and vice versa. Totally has everything to do with pop culture terms I guess. I solved the entire puzzle downs only in 14 min. The puzzle on Sunday kicked my butt and people said good, simple Sunday game?!? It was super difficult for me 🤷🏻‍♀️

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    1. Anonymous9:35 AM

      What is the point of this comment? Easy-Medium Downs-only v Easy Downs-only does not seem like a meaningful distinction at all.

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  13. De ninguna manera, José. {Sadly, it doesn't rhyme in Spanish.}

    Welcome back 🦖.

    Not much of a puzzle, but a pleasant enough few minutes anyway with some cute phrases.

    Never heard of BYE FELICIA, but my current position was previously held by a person named Felicia who went bye.

    I thought it's "holy canoli."

    If you want help deciding between a visit to Los Alamos where I once wrote for the newspaper or to Taos where I used to drag my high school speech teams, may I suggest the Villa d'Este near Rome. It's gotta be way better.

    We might want to let the New Yorker know essays are supposed to be 1000 words according to the NYTXW editorial team. I don't think they got the memo.

    We don't have much evidence for the entire city of Troy being fooled by the horse, but I think it's fair to assume the dude running the front gate was incompetent. Epically incompetent. Like, definitely needed to fill out paperwork afterward incompetent.

    I'm meeting SHE-RA for the first time, but a 12-second post-solve Go-ogle search reveals she wears a miniskirt while wielding a fancy sword and I certainly hope her skirt is a skort so nobody feels weird about her going to battle underdressed.

    People: 8
    Places: 5
    Products: 4
    Partials: 5
    Foreignisms: 1
    --
    Gary's Grid Gunk Gauge: 23 of 78 (29%)

    Funnyisms: 2 😕

    Tee-Hee: ASS.

    Uniclues:

    1 That time of life when your brain doesn't go as fast as it once did, but given a chance, it now reaches better conclusions.
    2 Tomato stake ties that are pink and yellow rather than green.
    3 You scream and yell, and I'll vomit in your mouth.
    4 Bird into cougars.
    5 New book filled with pieces approximately 1000 words long detailing the shinanigans of sailors.

    1 WHOA NELLY PHASE
    2 PEEKABOO TWISTY
    3 NEST DEAL
    4 AVIAN CAT PERSON (~)
    5 AYE, SIN ESSAYS (~)

    My Fascinating Crossword Uniclue Keepsake from Two Years Ago: New Mexico priest. TORTILLA RECTOR (They really do use tortillas here.)

    ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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    1. ¿Estás hablando a mi?
      #3 is gross and inspired!
      (which is most of the time the case).

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    2. "Not much of a puzzle, but a pleasant enough few minutes...." That was my experience in a nutshell.

      In the "Constructor Notes" Andrea says that she thinks editorial changes to the theme clues made this "a harder-than-Monday solve" but I have to disagree. This was the easiest puzzle in several months for me.

      But it was a pleasant enough way to start off my Monday morning.

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  14. waryoptimist8:03 AM

    Enjoyed the phrases, saying them out loud as I typed them in. The rest filled in quickly and unmemorably, but the phrases carried the day with overall favorable impression.

    I can still picture Punbaa the warthog in "The Lion King" yelling "YOU TALKIN TO ME" to the hyenas before charging them. Wish I knew enough about computers to put the vid here

    RP, glad you got some R and R time. Have spent many summer days at upstate New York lakes, and it doesn't get much better than that...

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  15. Phil W8:08 AM

    Put in “ah yes” instead of “oh yes”, leaving me with no way “jase”. Jose just didn’t jump to mind. Knew She-Ra because my kids watched it. They are the only reason I know any 1980-1990 trivia.

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    1. Anonymous11:36 AM

      I stepped in the same pothole !

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  16. Anonymous8:37 AM

    I solved downs only also. I always end up at the exact same final word as you. I couldn't see the F and had to look at the across clue.

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  17. Thanks for sharing the photos. Thought puzzle was easy, clean, pleasurable.

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  18. Keith8:40 AM

    “Well, Mr. Locke. This is certainly thought provoking. But could you possibly cut it down to 2 pages? Surely you can cover human understanding in the standard 1,000 words…”. :)

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  19. Anonymous8:43 AM

    Exactly the same problem at FLAK, combined with guessing SHEnA/BEnET made for a tough downs-only Monday. Very enjoyable.

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  20. It woulda made a way better Tuesday puzzle.

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  21. Anonymous9:00 AM

    I admit I was anticipating (looking forward to?) a dig or rant from Rex about TESLA in the writeup.

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    1. Anonymous12:19 PM

      Just think of Nikola Tesla, better yet read his biography, you'll never feel the same about Edison.

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  22. Hey All !
    I'm one of the people who didn't know BYE FELICIA. I'm a movie watcher/fan, but haven't seen any of the Friday movies. I have seen "All About the Benjamins", however, which was a pretty funny movie. And I know Felicia Day, the actress, who, amongst other roles, was Charlie on "Supernatural". Another sexy redhead.

    Nice to see ACME, it's been a minute. Don't know your constructor partner, though. Nice to meet you, Dena (DR V?)

    Got the requisite ASS. WHOA spelled correctly! Good ole SRI Lanka. Did y'all know there is no word in English that starts SR? I know what you're gonna say. "What about SRIRACHA?" Well, that came from a foreign language.

    Fast puz for me, it was like fire trails behind my feet! 6 minutes. Still a nice puz. And that's According to Hoyle.

    Have a great Monday!
    Three F's
    RooMonster
    DarrinV

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    1. Anonymous10:12 AM

      I found "srendipity" quite by accident

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  23. Anonymous9:37 AM

    For RooMonster: No word beginning with SR? Are you SRUE about that?

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  24. Because I'm not into using cutesy phrases, I've never said GEEZ LOUISE or NO WAY JOSE myself. But I'd like to have a dollar for every time I've heard them said by someone else -- if not in real life, then uttered on some screen or found in quotes on some page.

    WHOA NELLIE rang a vague bell when it came in. But it definitely wasn't coming to me without crosses. Why I might have even said WHOA FELICIA, had it fit.

    BYE FELICIA was a great big "Huh?" I could have stared at that until the cows came home and not gotten it.

    But on Monday, with its easy crosses, the lack of familiarity hardly matters. I'll take your word for it.

    A breezy, playful puzzle that sort of shouts out "Let's have fun today." I loved the way both TROY (37D) and MUSTACHE (39D) were clued.

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  25. Live in Rochester, NY for many years. Love the George Eastman House. During the holiday season, they display the most amazing ginger bread houses. Also love Lake Ontario. Had a boat on Irondequoit Bay. Great fishing.

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  26. Anonymous9:48 AM

    https://youtu.be/jR7X39xupHA?si=BY8KPZb-dWFQFoZ-

    “Holy Camoly!”

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  27. Of course, I don't know BYEFELICIA. I'm not on social media. But tell me where "Felicia" comes from. It doesn't rhyme like "Jose" or "Louise." Is it the name of an ASS like "Nelly"?

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  28. Anonymous9:53 AM

    I’m suprised how few people know BYE FELICIA. I get this is the New York Times crossword, famously played by seniors, but still! I like the concept a lot, very funny

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    1. Anonymous1:04 PM

      Haha! I’m surprised that YOU’RE surprised! As a senior, I am way okay with fact it is in the puzzle cuz I like to learn…everything. And, I’ve also learned today about the possible roots of change from Felisha to FELICIA.

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  29. Visho9:59 AM

    Don't usually agree with Rex on much, but 100% behind him on the very annoying AI results when googling. 9 times out of 10 answer has nothing to do with what I'm searching for.

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  30. Andrew Z.10:00 AM

    HOLY guacamole?

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    1. Anonymous11:35 AM

      Yeah, this is what I've always assumed "Holy camoly!" to stem from, because apparently guacamole and cannoli have produced a love child.

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    2. Heaven help us! We can't let those wanton foodstuffs breed like that!

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    3. It is really holy macaroni, as shown here.

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  31. Think comment disappeared. 100% behind Rex on stupid, annoying AI answers when googling. So frustrating.

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  32. Popo: We have reason to believe that you have narcotics in the bottles marked "Soapmaking Solution."
    Soap maker: LYES! All LYES!

    Wouldn't the counterpart of a dog lover be a dog hater?

    These days shouldn't it be Woah Nllye?

    I asked Siri the other day how to get answers to my questions and she advised that YOUTALKINTOME.

    Yesterday I predicted that "eary" would be today's submission in the ERIEPA, ERIE, EERIE series. Turned out to be ERIES. Maybe tomorrow.

    In half-hearted defense of "1000 words or so", I think that high school homework assignments often (and I don't mean NINETIMESOUTOFTEN here) began "Write a thousand word essay ....."

    Holy guacamole! is common in my family. Don't know the camoly version.

    Nice Monday. Thanks, Dena R. Verkuil and Andrea Carla Michaels.

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    1. Your post made me think of LYAR, LYAR the movie.

      Better stay with guacamole.
      "Guaga" is a tomb, a sepulture..

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  33. Anonymous10:20 AM

    Bye Felicia did ring a bell for me, but only because it’s a game in my game cabinet. Now I understand where the phrase comes from.

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  34. Haven't read the comments yet but this was fun! The theme was cute & I liked it a lot. Except for misspelling MUSTACHE I almost got a PB without having to search for a typo & enjoyed it at the same time.
    Congrats on your debut, Dena & thanks to you & Andrea :)
    And to Rex for sharing his vacation pics :)

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  35. Beat my top time by over 2 minutes. This was def the easiest puzzle I can remember. 3.5 minutes.

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  36. This was a very easy Monday, very cute. Though it's apparent that if there's a meme out there, I haven't heard of it, so BYE FELICIA was not in my knowledge base.

    I've never seen the Villa d'Este but I have been to Valle d'Aosta in Italy, skiing in La Thuile which was what the 65A clue brought to my mind. We could see Mont Blanc from our lodgings.

    Dena and Acme, thanks for a sweet Monday puzzle.

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    1. Anonymous12:55 PM

      Bye Felicia is unfamiliar because I/most of us pay no attention to rap music/movies. So why are they referenced so frequently in these puzzles? They should not be.

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    2. Anonymous2:46 PM

      Anonymous 12:55 pm
      I am s Boomer
      So you expect this puzzle to be only for Boomers and maybe older Gen-xers? There are a lot of younger people who do this puzzle It would be absurd and self defeating for the Times to ignore them. Don’t you have any curiosity? I like the variation.
      Anyway, some older people had heard the phrase. So it isn’t obscure. Just because some of us old folks, like me, didn’t know it, doesn’t mean it’s obscure.

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  37. Anonymous11:13 AM

    Phillip Seymour Hoffman was from Fairport, a suburb of Rochester. It’s lovely to see that my old home town and the Eastman house has paid such a lovely tribute to him.

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  38. Easy-medium. No WOEs and spelling guarantee was my only hiccup.

    I did know FELICIA but I’m not sure how, maybe from crosswords?

    Very clever and fun, a delightful Monday, liked it a bunch! A fine debut for Dena!


    Croce Solvers - Croce’s Freestyle #1024 fits in nicely with this weekend’s NYT puzzles…I was very easy for a Croce. The center stack is worth the solve. Good luck!

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  39. My five favorite original clues from last week
    (in order of appearance):

    1. Wear on earth? (5)
    2. Shops for a short time? (3)-(2) (6)
    3. Found a parking spot (3)
    4. Layer of gold? (5)
    5. Deer stalking aid? (5)(7)

    ERODE
    POP-UP STORES
    SAT
    GOOSE
    SANTA TRACKER

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  40. My favorite used-before clues from last week:

    [Places to bear witness?]
    [Unlocked?]


    ZOOS
    BALD

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    1. Lewis, I don't recall your ever having a "used-before" listing, but I can see why you did this time. The two you chose were terrific!

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  41. @RP: Wowzers. Primo vacay pics, dude. Thanx for sharin, and welcome back.

    The Puz: Tasty Monday ACME meat. Humorous themers/revealer hookup. Liked.
    BYEFELICIA was I think new to m&e, tho.

    staff weeject pick: AYE. Fairly respectable collection of 19 weejects today. AYE had a very cool {Sea si} clue, to help it win the day.

    some fave stuff: Seein ACME back. PEEKABOO [you lookin at m&e?]. CATPERSON. GUARANTEE. HOLY camoly [which Otto-correct wants to convert to: HOLY camel].

    fave moo-cow eazy-E MonPuz clue: {They're right at 90 degrees} = ANGLES.

    Thanx for gangin up on us, Ms. Verkuil & ACME darlins. Well done.

    Masked & Anonymo3Us

    ... and now, a whole new slant on "desperate" ...

    "Desperate 2-Word Square #1" - 7x7 12 min. desperate runt puzzle:

    **gruntz**

    M&A

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  42. Anonymous11:48 AM

    I'm not sure age really accounts for some being unfamiliar with "Bye, Felicia" - that movie came out in 1995, so even the olds here were 30 years younger.... Put another way, that phrase has been around just about as long as the (public) interwebs!

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      It’s age, of course it’s age. I guarantee you the average age of the “never heard of it” people is north of 65. Plus the phrase originates in pop culture and was popularized by meme—two things older solvers notoriously struggle with. Not all. But many.

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    2. Agreed…it’s age, and as an over 65 senior I’m okay with that. I mean, I’m not insulted. Haha…wait until your mental “file cabinet” is bulging at the seams!

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  43. Old timer11:58 AM

    Geez Louise sure made me think of my late father in law. Must have said it 1000 times when I was with him

    This was the best puzzle in a long time for me. All the longs were just perfect. But yeah Felicia was an unknown for the octogenarian crowd.


    And my heart goes out to OFL for having to spend a week in Santa Barbara. Which gives a whole new meaning to State Street is a great street. Say a prayer for all the good folks you have lost over the years. Because there are few better places to do that than the Mission there.

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  44. I've never seen "Taxi Driver," so the revealer didn't help much. And I figured out (incorrectly) after GEEZ, LOUISE and WHOA, NELLY! that we were dealing with woman's-name-ending phrases. Then I came to NO WAY, JOSE. and thought maybe there would be another man's name, both in the bottom half of the puzzle, with the revealer being something like "women on top." But then...BYE, FELICIA? Never heard it said, and according to Wikipedia it dates from a 1995 movie, whereas the other three date from eternity, more or less. So an outlier, but that's OK. With four theme answers, you're likely to have an outlier, and apparently BYE FELICIA is common these days. My reaction is subjective -- I had made an incorrect assumption, which the puzzle failed to live up to. Not the puzzle's fault.

    I did like the bird from the Aloha State right under AHOY, which is vaguely synonymous with Aloha. What did I not like? ERIES.

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      Earlier Dena one of the constructors said they wanted all woman’s names but OKKAREN was immediately rejected and they couldn’t come up with anything else.

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  45. It's all been said, so just a question for the chemists out there. Are there bases that do not dissolve in water?

    Welcome back, ACME, and welcome to Dena, as well.

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  46. Note: The following is what I wrote between 12:30 and 1 last night. Rex hadn’t checked in so there was nowhere to post it. I thought I would get up early and deal with it. Unfortunately I had to get up early and deal with an irrigation problem. I’m back and it’s it’s past 10 am now and I’m just going to post this without changes because I find it mildly funny how closely it resembles Rex’s post. Perhaps I’ve been reading him too long.
    ............................................................

    Pretty easy Monday, even with the self-imposed hardship called downs-only. Not familiar with Dena R. Verkuil but Andrea Carla Michaels used to produce lots of light, bright early-week puzzles back when I started solving. I admired them. They usually made me smile without seeming too easy, but this one disappointed. Maybe it’s because I’ve done many hundreds of puzzles since those early days but, JEEZLOUISE, this one was a slam dunk even without the across clues.

    3 of the 4 themers were right in my wheelhouse and I filled them in with only a small handful of crosses because they were bright, lively expressions that I have actually used. And the revealer was apt. But where did BYEFELICIA come from? Is that something people say? Is it a famous quote from some movie or TV show that I’ve just never encountered?

    And, speaking of TV shows, I had a bit of an advantage in the south central section because my oldest son was a huge fan of the animated TV show He-Man and the Masters of the Universe. 54D SHERA was, I think, He-man’s sister. Sometimes it pays to veg out in front of stupid cartoons with your kids.

    A few nits: 18D LYES. I’ve never made soap. Do I actually need more than one lye to do it? And who mandated that 13D ESSAYS must be 1,000 words?

    Strangely, the toughest answer for me, and the last one I entered, was just 4 letters, 29D FLAK. Not a particularly exotic word but clued as a gerund - or is carping a present participle? - it threw me. And that’s why I do crosswords.

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  47. Also finished Downs Only with FLAK. Someplace in the back of my mind BYEFELICIA apparently lurked, despite my having no idea of the context..

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  48. This was such a fun puzzle! Learned about BYEFELICIA, but even more…I got HOLY from “camoly” but I still had a feeling of “nonsense word” that I’d never used so I looked it up and got this:
    "Camoley" likely refers to a word of Bahamian Creole origin, meaning a swelling on the head caused by a blow, or to bump someone on the head. It can also be spelled "camally" or have variations like "canelly," "mally," "nelly," "panelly," "pamelly," or "pamoley". Additionally, "Camoley" is the name of a Lizardfolk Bard character in an online art portfolio. There's also an interjection "holy moly" which is used to express surprise or amazement.

    So…there you have it!

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  49. Very cute idea. I use GEEZ LOUISE all the time and address JOSE and NELLY a fair amount as well - although until the reveal, I'd never actually thought about it that way. What a great stroke of crossword insight by the constructors to see the witty potential of the phrases and to come up with the prefect reveal. Having solved many of Acme's puzzles in the past, I was happy to see her name at the top today - I got everything I wanted and more.

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  50. Hello. New here. Great blog! Helping me to learn. For the moment, I’m only doing Mondays and Tuesdays — I start feeling stupid on Wednesdays! Oh well, maybe someday. One thing: (holy) camoly is a thing, definitely the version of that expression I know!

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    1. Welcome aboard, and yes, things will get easier. No one is born knowing all this stuff.

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  51. The first three theme phrases express surprise or astonishment at something perceived to be unlikely or impossible, something along the lines of 24D "HOLY camoly!". The last one, however, is more of a dismissive "You're talking nonsense and you need to go away, now!" That leaves only having a name at the end as the thing that ties all the theme phrases together. Having four "astonishment" or four "dismissive" phrases would have been a much tighter, more coherent set of themers, no?

    I tried for the longest to fit in WHOA ANOA but in spite of the nice alliteration, couldn't get it done.

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  52. Despite having no clue about BYE FELICIA I enjoyed the themers.
    My guess is, but I am way too lazy to look it up, that Nelly was a common name for a horse in the 19th Century and the expression derived from that
    I do not do downs only so found the puzzle extra easy even for a Monday but the themers did compensate. Felicia is the original spelling and Felisha came along because some parents preferred a phonetic version. Interesting that the meme went in the reverse direction. And I learned something! Happy the constructors rejected ok Karen and chose no way José. They originally wanted only women’s names. per Dena above.

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  53. Sohaib8:38 PM

    Lovely Monday theme - snappy and fresh! Few cute long downs too with MUSTACHE (clever clue), PEEKABOO and CATPERSON. Agree with Rex re the fill not being great but nothing egregious either - all in all, fairly pleasant start to the week!

    Achieved 11 gold stars (ie no look ups or help) in June, the most I’ve gotten in a month since starting these in January! Hoping to get a dozen or more in July

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  54. Clever, cute theme executed well. Like @Rex, I thought the revealer may have been just a bit indirect, but really just a tiny bit. It's such a great line to see in a puzzle and it still brought everything together. As always, the art of making a Monday puzzle interesting, fun and making me want to sit through to the end always amazes me and this one did the trick.
    Enjoyed the cluing for MUSTACHE and learned something new with SHERA. FLAK gave a bit of resistance but I enjoyed that small workout. Congrats Dena on a very solid debut with ANDREA (who also deserves congrats on a smooth, breezy Monday puzzle!)

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  55. Anonymous1:52 AM

    😊 Thanks for the photos. Glad you got to get away and relax!

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