Thursday, June 26, 2025

Boat with broad, square ends / THU 6-26-25 / Accessory for Broadway's Phantom / Atmospheric prefix / Brillo competitor / Baby fish with pink, coho and sockeye varieties / First Holy Roman emperor to be called "the Great" / Bygone jeans brand whose name means "happiness" in Hebrew / Bell for the telephone, for one / Eponymous Belgian town / Cocktail of tequila, lime juice and grapefruit soda / Potato, in Indian cuisine

Constructor: Simeon Seigel

Relative difficulty: Medium


THEME: ___ OR ___ — theme answers are familiar phrases where the first word follows the pattern _OR_; you must read the "OR" as a separate word in order to understand the pair of words in the theme clues:

Theme answers:
  • HORN BLOWER (19A: Hurricane / Nor'easter) (word starting with "H" or "N" that means "blower")
  • SORE SPOTS (10D: Sees / Espies) (word starting with "S" or "E" that means "spots")
  • PORT AUTHORITY (Pundit / Tsar) (word starting with "P" or "T" that means "authority")
  • CORD CUTTER (52A: Cleaver / Dagger) (word starting with "C" or "D" that means "cutter")
  • WORM HOLES (33D: Wells / Mouths) (word starting with "W" or "M" that means "holes")
Word of the Day: OTS (34D: Certain rehab docs) —
Occupational therapists (OTs) are health care professionals specializing in occupational therapy and occupational science. OTs and occupational therapy assistants (OTAs) use scientific bases and a holistic perspective to promote a person's ability to fulfill their daily routines and roles. OTs have training in the physical, psychological, and social aspects of human functioning deriving from an education grounded in anatomical and physiological concepts, and psychological perspectives. They enable individuals across the lifespan by optimizing their abilities to perform activities that are meaningful to them ("occupations"). Human occupations include activities of daily living, work/vocation, play, education, leisure, rest and sleep, and social participation. (wikipedia)
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Well that was hard, until I figured out the theme, and then it wasn't. And though the puzzle got easier after I got the theme, the fill did not, unfortunately, get better. This was full of wincing and ughing on my end, for sure. SAMLET? (7D: Baby fish with pink, coho and sockeye varieties). LOL, what in the world? The last time that word appeared in the NYXTX was, no joke, the literal day before I started this blog in 2006. If it's a word that's distinct from SALMON, why isn't "salmon" in the clue? Not that that would've helped ... except that it would've eliminated SALMON (also six letters) as a potential answer. SAMLET!? "Hmmm, what should I name my all-fish production of Shakespeare?" "Hmm. How 'bout Mackerelbeth?" "No, that's no good." "As You Pike It?" "Nah ... what else you got?" "Uh ... Tuna Gentlemen of Verona?" "No, that's silly! Keep thinking!" End scene. SAMLET? Craziness. Another thing I've never seen—OTS clued as "docs" (34D: Certain rehab docs). I had to look it up even to understand what the letters stood for. OTS has appeared many many times over the years, but only ever as an abbr. for "overtimes" (i.e. the periods in sports following regulation time, played only if there's a tie). No idea that BEANO was anything but an anti-gas product (1D: Original name for "bingo," after the bits used to cover the playing cards). No idea that SASSON was Hebrew for anything (7A: Bygone jeans brand whose name means "happiness" in Hebrew). I could've inferred what a PATENTEE is, but man that is one ugly word (and one I've never encountered before) (16A: Bell for the telephone, for one). The crosswordese was rampant today, from OTTOI (whose memory lives on solely because of crosswords), AER, AROAR, the dreaded ERIEPA (which I always want to pronounce as one word (air-ee-APE-ah!) but which is really just ERIE, PA). Then there's the awful, cutesy slang for the disease that killed over a million Americans between 2020 and 2023. Nevermind that I haven't heard anyone actually call it "'RONA" in years (53D: Covid-19, colloquially). Yuck and BOO to that clue.

[HORNBLOWER]

So there wasn't much that was amusing me in this one today. Everything is riding on the gimmick, and while I did have an "aha" moment, for sure, I can't say there was much joy, or awe, or pleasure, or anything that accompanied the "aha." I was just glad that I could (finally) see what was going on with the answers. Me: "well, those both blow, but ... what does 'horn' have to do with it?" I think I finally figured it out with "S" OR "E" SPOTS. "Sees" and "Espies" both mean "SPOTS" but ... how are they "sore?" How? How? Somehow, my brain managed to crack "SORE" into three parts: "S" OR "E." And that was that. My brain had a lot less success trying to parse OWEITTO (32D: Must give). It's an awful clue. Where is the "IT" coming from??? For that matter, where is the "TO" coming from? [Must give] = OWE. Good luck swapping out "OWE IT TO" for "Must give" in a sentence (without calling in lawyers and lexicographers, i.e. without seeming desperate). 

[Watson / Mabuse?]

I think you're supposed to admire how many theme answers there are, and how several of them actually intersect (not the easiest thing to pull off, structurally). I recognize the architectural achievement, sure, but it did nothing to increase my solving enjoyment levels, which remained pretty low throughout. There just wasn't enough cool fill, or enough wit or cleverness, to make this consistently entertaining. The main theme idea is cute, but it's not what you'd call funny. It's a little word trick that's tough to figure out, but once you do ... shrug. In the end, it was gimmicky without being delightful. Plus you had to endure awkward Latinness with DATUM and STERNA. There's no joy in that.


Bullets:
  • 59A: They try to admit the worst first, informally (E.R. NURSES) — do the nurses do the admitting? Whatever, I'm going to assume that's true and say that I like this clue. The real meaning of "admit" is disguised nicely.
  • 65A: Choice words ... which are necessary to interpret the answers to 19-, 36- and 52-Across and 10- and 33-Down) (ORS) — I'm only just noticing this (awkwardly worded and completely unnecessary) revealer now. "Which are necessary to interpret" does not begin to get at what is going on here. Something about the "ORS" being buried or hidden or something like that would've made more sense. If you're going to bother with a revealer, at least get the phrasing right.  
  • 63A: Marquis name? (DE SADE) — sadism and COVID in the same corner, what a day!
  • 13D: Music export from Tokyo, informally (J-POP) — short for "Japanese Pop Music," not to be confused with K-POP, Korean Pop Music (of which BTS is an example) (20D: Music export from Seoul)
  • 38D: Love lines? (ODE) — "Lines" of poetry about something you "love." Poetry dressed up as palmistry. Nice.
  • 39D: Dutch cousin of Mac or Ben (VAN) — as in, say, Martin VAN Buren (our mutton-choppiest president). I thought "VAN" meant "from," whereas "Mac" meant "son of?" But I guess using "cousin" in the clue gives you a lot of leeway in terms of how close the equivalency really is. I wrote in VON at first, but that's German, not Dutch.
[VAN!]
  • 60D: Car that went defunct in 1936 (REO) — not to be confused with the GEO, which "went defunct" in 1997.

See you next time.

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112 comments:


  1. Medium, but that "whooshing" sound you heard wasn't me careening through the puzzle, it was the theme going way over my head.

    Overwrites:
    9D: dory before SCOW
    13A: airLINER before JET LINER
    31D: EurEkA before ERIE PA (I need to study more Ohio geography; Eureka is 'way downstate)
    55D: TRes before TRIO for the "Amigos"

    WOEs:
    BEANO as clued at 1D
    SAMLET at 7D
    Like OFL I had to look up OTS (34D) to understand the relationship to the clue
    The PALOMA cocktail at 58A (I need to drink more)

    Is anybody else having this problem? When I access the puzzle online using Google's Chrome browser, it wants me to log into my NYT account. When I click on Log In, my password manager enters my account name. Then before I can enter my password I get a spiel about upgrading to All Access Family. When I click on Continue Without Upgrading, I get taken back to the original screen prompting me to log in.

    Oddities:

    If I go to NYTimes.com, it remembers me and doesn't prompt for a new login. But if I navigate to the puzzle from there, I go back to the infinite loop

    It works fine with Microsoft's Edge browser.

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    1. No issues w/ the same Chrome setup, but let me take this opportunity to complain about how aggravating I find that "please give us more money" pitch to *existing subscribers*.

      Deep breath.

      The puzzle was easy-medium with SASSOON/NED being an annoying natick I had to do a letter run on to solve.

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    2. Anonymous6:54 AM

      Google is upset with NYT because of its copyright lawsuit over the unauthorized use of news content to train Google’s Gemini AI bot, so it introduced a “bug” into Chrome that messes up the crossword app. At least as far as you know.

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    3. Anonymous9:33 AM

      The theme was too obscure. All you really needed to know is that the themed answers contained the word “or.”

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    4. Anonymous11:45 AM

      Euclid (OH) is on the lake near Cleveland and really hung me up, finally Erie PA broke the door down.

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    5. Anonymous1:17 PM

      yes; can't login so playing as guest...so confusing because i still got warning about checking the grid. yes, i'm not a snob; i admit to checking the grid. i play for fun not to impress anyone!

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    6. @Conrad, I had the exact same problem with Firefox, and switched to Chrome which seems to be working okay! I agree this is frustrating unnecessary BS when we are already subscribers. Shame on the NYT.

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  2. Anonymous6:33 AM

    Not much fun today

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  3. Stuart7:04 AM

    No, nurses do not do the admitting. Doctors do. And OTs are not doctors, they are allied health professionals.

    Trust me. I’m a lawyer. (A healthcare lawyer at that.)

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    1. Anonymous8:30 AM

      To quibble the quibble, OTs can receive a Doctor of Occupational Therapy degree. It’s not a medical doctorate but rather a professional doctorate similar to a PharmD or a Doctor of Physical Therapy. So they are or can be doctors, just not that kind of doctor.

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    2. Stuart9:25 AM

      True; yet most people would read “doc” to mean a physician, not the other kind of doctor you’re thinking of.

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    3. Anonymous9:32 AM

      Agree 100%. My husband has a doctorate in statistics , he is not what anyone in this country would call ‘a doctor’. Doctor is used to mean physician. Otherwise, you are a PhD, you have a doctorate, you are a doctor of something, this whole thing with OTs and PTs getting PhDs and then calling themselves Doctor is a ruse and it’s meant to make patients think they are an MD or DO.

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    4. Anonymous9:55 AM

      ER nurses do triage which determines who gets admitted to the ED and when, which is entirely different from being admitted to the hospital (ask anyone who has "boarded" in the ED waiting for a hospital bed). So the clue is correct.

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    5. Raymond12:10 PM

      From a doc: Nurses ("RNs") do the triage, not MDs. And a wonderful job they do - it ain't easy, with everybody sure that they should be first.. Fundamentally (at least here in Israel) everyone is admitted to the ER irrespective of any factor including insurance status - that's all later after urgent care has been administered..What only docs do is to decide on admission to a hospital bed as an in-patient or to discharge home. And re the similarly wonderful OTs - they're wonderful but they're not docs. And (this is personal) l don't fancy "holistic" because lt reeks to me as a euphemism for non-scientific "alternative" medicine..It's time to bring back good old objective science into medicine. Read the New England Journal of Medicine (today's issue) on the disastrous effects of the drop in measles vaccination.

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    6. Anonymous12:38 PM

      The OT and admitting RN clues could be interpreted as technically correct — but both are a big stretch. It’s clear that no one associated with crafting or editing today’s puzzle has ever worked in healthcare.

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  4. Anonymous7:06 AM

    Ah, for the bygone days when a pundit had some authority because of expertise and wasn’t just a bloviator talking out of their ass. Also unfortunate that STOPS/ORNURSES fits almost as well as the correct answer STEPS/ERNURSES

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    1. Anonymous1:55 PM

      Yup, i had STOPS/ORNURSES. i pored over the puzzle trying to find my mistake, and eventually just looked here for the answer. i guess you don’t really get “admitted” to the OR, you get moved there from somewhere else in the hospital, but i’m still kinda peeved about it. oh well

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  5. Started the puzzle. Couldn't get the theme. Hunted around. Couldn't get the theme. Finally got to the end and found the theme clue: ORS. Didn't get it. STILL DIDNT GET THE THEME. Thank goodness for this blog or else I never ever would have gotten it in all likelihood.

    Somehow I managed to fill in the grid in my newsprint format with no cross outs but this was hard hard hard.

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  6. Anthony F.7:33 AM

    RONA? Really? Someone actually called it this? And others actually repeated it? Where? When? Who? I want names.

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    1. I heard people refer to it as "the rona" quite often.

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    2. Anonymous8:50 AM

      I had heard of “the vid” but not RONA.

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    3. The first time I heard RONA was in the HYT Crossword puzzle. 3 or 4 years ago? Several of us objected then, I have not heard it since until today.

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    4. My son (age 38) did use that term, but not often enough for me to remember it!

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    5. Anonymous10:22 AM

      Better still the Canadian Equivalent of Home Depot.

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    6. yes, it was common back then.

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    7. @Anthony F. 7:33 AM
      Perhaps most infamously, Donald Trump, Jr. used it mockingly to belittle the disease's significance when he caught it. His dad was busy at the time pretending the thousands of deaths each week were fake.

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  7. “HENRY THE FISH”? “COD LEAR”? Did not enjoy this puzzle or the theme.

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  8. What sort of fill is worse than brand names? Bygone brand names. The cross of a brand of jeans I never heard of and an incredibly obscure term for a baby salmon did me in today.

    Also bad: cutesy nicknames (that never caught on, thankfully) for a virus that killed millions of people worldwide. Please, no.

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  9. Anonymous7:41 AM

    Oof. Very tough. Fourteen minutes over my average and a real slog. My problem: for most of my solve I had BATON for 49 down (“Police weapon”), which gave me ONS for the theme explanation. Until I fixed that, I was flailing.

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  10. Anonymous7:47 AM

    Didn’t get the theme and, even after reading Rex’s explanation, had to shake my head and say: Why?

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  11. Puzzle as capital-P puzzle, where you work to crack a layered riddle.

    Masterful construction, with those crossing theme answers, and for me, going from empty to a full grid was a terrific ride, rich with brain-loving resistance and discovery.

    But I just want to focus on one thing, because it’s a Seigel hallmark.

    Yes, coming up with good theme answers takes much gruntwork – scanning “?OR?” words, finding phrases they start, coming up with examples of the second word that start with specific letters, and more.

    Not easy. Try it sometime. What Simeon did on that front was impressive enough.

    But what blows me away is that he came up with this idea in the first place. How did he do that? How did he go from blankness to THIS THEME?

    That’s what Simeon regularly does. He’s a brilliant inventor. It’s why I did a little inner leap when I saw his name atop the puzzle today.

    So, thank you, Simeon, once again, for a fun and satisfying solve, and for another opportunity to experience your remarkable talent. Bravo, sir!

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  12. Anonymous8:02 AM

    You said this already today, and many times before, but they really must stop cluing Rona with a reference to the virus. It’s genuinely offensive, and they “must give” (OWE IT TO) the millions of people who died from it and continue to be affected by it today

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    1. Completely agree.

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    2. "RONA" in very poor taste - do we have to be reminded?

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  13. Bob Mills8:04 AM

    Failed on the SASSON/SAMLET cross (BTW, a "hamlet" is also a fish). Got the theme in part, except I didn't realize the letters on either side of "OR" represented a choice. I mentally subtracted "OR" from HORNBLOWER, which left "hnblower." Not very mental of me, but I was in a hurry to get a Thursday puzzle I didn't enjoy over with before breakfast. At least I accomplished that.

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    1. I just looked up hamlet in M-W, and the only definition given is the usual one, a small village. What kind of fish?

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  14. EasyEd8:06 AM

    Kudos to the author for a complex theme that one could back into without having a clue as to how it worked on a technical level…but some of the fill was truly fishy—loved Rex’s take off on Shakespearean titles! Had a specific problem with RONA—must be a locational usage as I’ve never heard of it before. We live and learn?

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  15. Anonymous8:06 AM

    I had no clue what the cross between SAMLET and SASSON was without running the alphabet which is basically cheating.

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  16. This puzzle makes me think of “Great Taste but Awful Execution”

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  17. Anonymous8:23 AM

    I didn't get RONA for "Covid-19," either, but after a while I realized it's short for "corona." COVID-19 was officially the "corona virus." To my knowledge no human being ever shortened it to RONA before (except possibly Rona Barrett), but anything goes on Thursdays (please hurry, Friday, we need you!).

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    1. Anonymous1:44 PM

      People who didn't take the pandemic seriously, or thought it a joke, or were just terrible in general often called it "the Rona" - people like DJTJ, for instance.

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  18. Nice! Good to have a new Thursday twist.

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  19. Anonymous8:29 AM

    ugh. that was awful. never got the theme.

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  20. Anonymous8:35 AM

    Got hit with the double Natick in the NE. SAMLET and NED crossing SASSON was impossible for me. Took a guess that a baby salmon might start with “S” and then plugged in the various options for a man’s name ending in -ED.

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  21. Anonymous8:35 AM

    got Natick'ed by SAMLET/SASSON :\

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  22. Drawing / Mail
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    DORM ROOM

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  23. Had JUMBOJET and wanted HOAX FAKE or SCAM for RONA (aka FLU).

    Great, will have the Sasson jingle worming my ear all day!

    Ooh! La la! Sasson!




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  24. Far too much gawdawfulness in this one.

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  25. Anonymous8:53 AM

    Jeez. Young salmon transition from alevin to fry to parr to smolt before entering the ocean. All are interesting crossword words. But SAMLET???

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    1. Anonymous10:42 AM

      I was completely confused by “samlet” as I live in salmon country on the Pacific Northwest coast, and I know a fair number of salmon fishermen, salmon biologists, and salmon fans generally, and they all use “parr” rather than “samlet.” I’ve never heard “samlet” in my life. Apparently it is a UK term, but the only salmon species that occurs in the UK is the Atlantic salmon, not the Pacific Ocean species that were named in the clue (coho, etc.) If the clue had been along the lines of “Parr of Britain” of “Certain youngster of Scottish rivers” etc, I wouldn’t feel so personally affronted!

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  26. Anonymous8:53 AM

    Thursdays are usually my favorite but I did not like this one at all.

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  27. Didn't Charlemagne start the Holy Roman Empire in 800 and so is the first Holy Roman emperor to be called (Charles) "the Great?"

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  28. SAMLET? STERNA? PATENTEE? OTS are doctors? I don’t think so. Like RP, I was not amused. And in a peculiar way, mildly insulted by the “shrug” factor of the theme, not to mention that deplorable four-letter slang for a killer disease that is still with us and still killing. BOO on that, all day every day.

    IMHO this was a win-lose. Yes, the construction was impressive but - at least for me - the value of that is lost when it does not translate to an equal amount of joy in the solve.

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  29. Anonymous9:08 AM

    Nominating this one for worst Thursday of the year.

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  30. When Covid first hit, my son kept calling it the Canola virus.

    I don't consider running the alphabet cheating if I just use it to jar my memory.

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    1. Anonymous10:06 AM

      I agree if you run it in your head.

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    2. I have come to realize that people mean different things by "running the alphabet." I solve on paper, and will sometimes run through the alphabet in my mind to see which letters make words. But those who solve online may get everything except one square, and may then run the alphabet by typing letters into that square until they get the happy music, or however the app indicates success.

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  31. I worked my way through the entire grid, parsing together the themers via the crosses. Even though I’m getting better at discerning the theme, this one escaped me. The reveal wasn’t much help, as I have no clue what a REO is (or was).

    I would add the clue/answer combination of “Must give” / OWE IT TO to Rex’s list of nonsense like RONA and SALMLET - “must”, to me, is too strong a way of characterizing the obligation to repay a favor, even for CrossWorld.

    Hopefully the next time I encounter a theme construct similar to this one, I’ll remember the concept and be able to draw upon it for future reference - but boy, doing these Thursday grids without grasping the theme can sure make for a long, tedious slog of a solve.

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    1. Anonymous12:41 PM

      REO has been in the puzzle countless times. Often referred to as part of the band REO Speedwagon, which was named after the car.

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    2. Thanks Anon, now that you mention it , I do recall REO being clued at least once in reference to a discontinued vehicle - although in this case it wouldn’t have helped - I would not have stumbled upon the idea of combining the OR to get to PORT AUTHORITY, for example, as I was too far in the weeds by that point. Live and learn though.

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  32. Anonymous9:23 AM

    Argh, had STOPS for STEPS, which gave me OR NURSES...

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  33. Hey All !
    Well, this puz might be further proof the ole brain is turning to mush. I had no earthly idea what in tarhooties the Theme was doing. Tried taking out the ORS at first, and since the Central Themer had two ORS, I ended up with PTAUTHITY. Wha? Never did figure out the _OR _ thingamajig. Dang.

    Did manage to finish puz error free, so Yay Me. NE corner was a toughie, with SASSON as clued, ALOO, NED, et alii.

    OWEITTO in my mind sounds like Alouette, like in the French ditty Alouette, Gentille Alouette. OH-WE-ET-TOE.

    AROAR! Sam, Are You Listening?! Add it to SB already! 😁

    Forces offshore is an interesting clue. I was thinking of it as forcing someone into the ocean, like at knife-point. "Arr, ya blasted land lubber! Get ASEA!"

    Good fill, considering the Theme everywhere, and the matching length long Downs.

    Agree with Rex on SAM LET. I've heard of OWLET, but SAMLET? There's another word Ezersky can add to SB. Is that what he was called as a baby?

    Welp, have a great Thursday!

    No F'S - BOO!
    RooMonster
    DarrinV

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    1. Anonymous1:11 PM

      Raising my hand for adding “aroar” to the SB dictionary. Should have been a word today!

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  34. Anonymous9:27 AM

    I hated this puzzle with an intense, burning passion, and only partially because this was the longest it took me to solve a Thursday puzzle in at least a decade. Awful clues, awful fill, and a theme that (for whatever reason) i couldn't make heads or tails of even after getting most of the themers.

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  35. Anonymous9:29 AM

    I liked the nurse clue after I figured it out. They do admit people to the ER. That’s what triage is.

    HATED “samlet.” The fourth graders in my area raise baby salmon from eggs every year and then release them into the river in the spring so my kid just did the salmon project and NO ONE uses that word. I was going to ask the kid to remind me what a baby salmon is called before I realized what it was here. Just terrible.

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    1. Anonymous12:51 PM

      No. Nurses do not “admit” patients to the ER. That’s not what triage is. Triage is sorting patients so that the sickest and most serious get seen first. Being “admitted,” in health care terms is the process of transferring a patient from outpatient to inpatient status. Doctors make the decision and admission staff do the paperwork. Yes, nurses may be involved in the process by getting a patient ready. But to say they “admit” patients is no appropriate in this context.

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    2. @Anon 12:51; I had read that "triage" originated at battlefront medical facilities which are often overwhelmed with injuries, and it meant sorting patients into 3 categories:

      1. Not too badly injured so can wait for treatment
      2. Injured badly enough to need treatment right away, but will likely survive if treated
      3. So badly injured they will not likely survive even if treated.

      The #2s are treated first.

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  36. This puzzle was definitely more lovable after I got the theme, but I got the theme fairly early and adored it thereafter. I actually wanted more themers, because I was writing in the first part of the answer everywhere and it was fun to guess the rest of it. Wham -- there went in PORT AUTHORITY; WORMHOLES; and CORD CUTTER! A totally different experience from wrestling with SORE SPOTS and HORNBLOWER which made no sense initially. But when I saw the revealer, they both made sense and the scales fell from my eyes.

    A teensy bit of disappointment that something similar was done last year in David Kwang's brilliant A STAR IS BORN puzzle. Still, the puzzles presented were different in each case, even though the underlying trick was the same. Both puzzles are enormously inventive and enjoyable.

    Two first-class clues that baffled me at first and then delighted me when I got them: ER NURSES and the enormously deceptive INHERITED.

    Loved everything about this puzzle!

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  37. I had filled in two-thirds of the grid before I saw HORNBLOWER. And it has OR in it. Bingo! That enabled me to fill in the other three themers and fjnish it. Big ego boost.

    That was worth the price of admission by itself, but there was more. The clue for ERNURSES. And the clue for EARNEDRUN, "Kind of average."

    Loved it!

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  38. Anonymous9:50 AM

    I barely noticed the crappy fill that bugged Rex, and found this lots of fun. Really enjoyed the themers along with some amusing and clever misdirects. I’m a little surprised to see quite so much hate directed at this one.

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  39. SAMLET, eh? Young salmon are called smolt, a word I wasn't able to remember until I looked it up post-solve. Samlet is not in Dictionary.com, and I was solving on my phone, so I downloaded the MW app, which gives a one word definition, "parr." OK, so parr are the life stage that comes before smolt, so it really is a thing, but really?

    I finally got the trick with SORESPOTS, which made the rest of the solve pretty easy, except for OPERA CAPE. I had hAts, but of course the clue was singular. I really wanted to put in 'chandelier,' but that was too long.

    You could argue that a Waymo is an app-driven ride, but Ubers have human drivers, and are app-summoned, or app-hailed. And OTS, aka occupational therapists, are not "docs."

    When I first came to Massachusetts, charitable organizations, especially churches, had weekly BEANO nights to raise funds. I never knew that that was the older name, but it helped me get that answer.

    And I was reluctant to put in VERNE because I was misled by the word "electric," and thought 15 years was an insufficient lag time. But of course all submarines are electric, that was just a red herring to make me think "nuclear."

    crEdIT before OWE IT, and INdulgent before INHERITED--not so hard to correct, but the writeover made it hard to see the numbers.

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  40. Pardon the digression, but you put Miles Runs the Voodoo Down up and I have no choice. Not the best rendering--I don't think Miles was totally into it. Notoriously touchy above encores and he kicks it off with a raspberry, just to get it out there. But it does have a perfect Miles moment @ 1:18... "Oh, you thought you knew what room we were in? What if I open this door over here."

    MRtVD is one of my favorite cuts on Bitches Brew, because he does more of that tonal shape shifting where a single note shifts the whole harmonic frame. What the jazzers call "big ears." His were about the biggest. A landmark album not least for Teo Macero's production alchemy. Editing can have its own genius.

    Ok, I'll shut up now. Back to the xword already in progress....

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    1. Appreciated Rex's posting the Miles video and your analysis of it. I know exactly which moving box holds my vinyl version of Bitches Brew. Now if only I could find all the stuff to hook up my turntable. I hate moving.

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  41. Anonymous10:08 AM

    I would hate to see the puzzles that got rejected.

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  42. I was about to say that you could see StoPS was wrong because people don't get admitted to the oR. But then I'm thinking of Gray's Anatomy, where patients are sometimes taken straight there from an ambulance. But I don't know if that happens IRL.

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  43. MichiganDave10:24 AM

    Anyone else get stuck after entering STOPS and ORNURSES instead of STEPS and ERNURSES? The E fit well enough that I just kept scanning by while trying to find my error.

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  44. Alice Pollard10:29 AM

    Ugh, this was tough. My first time through I had a ton of white space and almost gave up. I looked up NED from Connecticut and I got PORTAUTHORITY and HORNBLOWER without knowing the theme. I was like WTH?? finally got to the bottom and got ORS and it all came together and I was able to finish quickly after that. But SAMLET??? Cmon. And OWEITTO looks like some sort of Indian tribe Ive never heard of . loved EARNEDRUN "kind of average". Great clue/answer on that one. Ten minutes over my average, but I was just happy to complete.

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  45. Anonymous10:30 AM

    Not a big fan, felt very gluey with not much snap to make it worth. I attribute it mostly to PORTAUTHORITY which caused a rippling effect of forced black squares. During the puzzle and after the puzzle I reallly don't care that the themers connect with such a gunky grid.

    IMO i feel like this puzzle would be better if the 13 in the middle was gone. PORTAUTHORITY for me sparks little joy as its very just workmanlike, and just forces the grid into less than idea shapes. Maybe a 7 in the center would be wayy better because 3/7/3 is more managable to make a grid for than a 13 with 2 forced black squares and needed to eventually make a line of 3 blocks because of the 13. CORNDOG (Canine/Nag) is my example for a 7. The theme seems very loose and theres prob some better examples to explore i some letters weren'

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    1. Anonymous10:39 AM

      oops. hit publish lemme finish i forgot my exact wording too for the last sentence aa

      theres prob some better examples to explore since some letters are forced to be bc of crossing. if they weren't bound by crosses i think there could be interesting themeres, snappy non theme answers, and a non gluey grid

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  46. Reaction to puzthemers, until M&A finally got to the revealer: "What the FGKQXZ is goin on here?!!" [Also, all them letters were MIA, today ... but at least there were some U's].
    Shoulda peeked at the revealer ahead of time. Only themer of mystery that remained when I finally knew the theme was [aptly] SORESPOTS.

    SASSON/SAMLET and RONA/PALOMA, together with the puztheme, made my nanoseconds suffer, big time.

    staff weeject pick: ORS, of course.

    Thanx for the feisty {Water polo / Darts}, Mr. Seigel dude. Crafty good puztheme, I'll grant.

    Masked & Anonymo4Us

    ... and now, to help all U solvers get in shape ...

    "Body Building" - 7x7 themed runt puzzle:

    **gruntz**

    M&A

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  47. Slightly easier than medium for me. No costly erasures but I did need the theme to finish. I got the ORS answer early but it took me a while to see how it applied.

    I did not know SASSON as clued…I did remember the jeans when I got the answer but the Hebrew meaning was a WOE.

    I also did not know BEANO, SAMLET (is that a thing?) and NED.

    The theme answers had some sparkle, but I’m with @Rex on the fill problems, didn’t hate it.



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  48. Add me to the 'SAMLET should not be allowed!" crowd. Just no thanks.

    Very sloggy this AM and I had to fill in every square, correctly as it turned out, read the revealer clue several times, go back to the themers and notice that each one contained an OR, then figure out how to parse them, e.g. H OR N BLOWER because the clues started with H and then N for some kind of storm, which could be a BLOWER, I guess, but this did not lead to an aha!, but rather to a "that''s it?" , Kind of interesting to find that many in-the-language expressions that worked for this kind of thing, but not my cuppa today.

    Found out what's in a PALOMA--cocktails are not my thing, and the cutesie version RONA definitely grated. There was AROAR, which reminded my of SB which reminded me of very old crossword friend NORIA, which I tried in today's SB. Nope. And ERIEPA makes me think of someone trying, and failing, to spell AREPA.

    Impressive construction, SS, but Still Spent more time on this than I wish I did. Thanks for some tortuous fun.

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  49. Anonymous10:57 AM

    Is this the third recent theme we’ve had of the “___ or ____” variety?
    I’m very, very glad Mr. Shortz is recovered and well again but I find myself feeling more and more nostalgic for the Joel Fagliano era, which is something I never expected to hear myself say.

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  50. Anonymous11:04 AM

    Medium, until I figured out what HORN and SORE had to do with BLOWER and SPOTS, then easy to pounce on the remaining three theme answers. I'm surprised at the number of BOOs the puzzle has gotten from commenters - I found it fun to solve. I liked the science-fictionesque cross of VERNE and WORM HOLES and the parallel OVERPLAYS with OPERA CAPE. And I thought the (unknown to me) SAMLET sounds adorable.

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  51. Oh, this was me — didn’t realize I wasn’t signed in, for some reason.

    “I barely noticed the crappy fill that bugged Rex, and found this lots of fun. Really enjoyed the themers along with some amusing and clever misdirects. I’m a little surprised to see quite so much hate directed at this one.”

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  52. I started the puzzle with a headache and this puzzle just made it worse. Rarely have i had to look up clue answers as often as today.

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  53. I look forward to Thursdays and almost always get the theme, but I didn't get this one, and I think that made it much less fun. Now that I understand it, I admire the construction. But SAMLET crossing SASSON did me in, too, especially since I had FORESPOTS before SORESPOTS, thinking that FORESPOTS could mean Sees or Espies. Oh well. I liked the clue "Like looks from mom and dad, say," and having to figure out which "looks" it was talking about.

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  54. "Anonymous" called it 'Worst puzzle of the year.' I don't know if I'd go that far (except for RONA) but I didn't enjoy it at all.

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  55. Owe it to Airliner jet mechanic here 30 yrs at major Airline so private jet regional jet military jet corporate jet etc jetliner sounds like something Madison ave put out in the 50’s like “Whisper Jet”

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    1. When I saw that answer, Arlo Guthrie’s “Coming into Los Angeles” began playing in my head. But then I remembered he sings “airliner,” not JETLINER. Still, I’m glad to be reminded of that terrific song.

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  56. SharonAK12:40 PM

    Samlet??!! I may have been surprised to see people eating fresh rather than canned salmon when I came to Alaska in '67, but since then I've fished for salmon (occasionally even caught some) known many salmon fishermen, visited salmon hatcheries, (where baby pink, soho, and sockeye are raised). NEVER have I seen or heard "samlet"

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  57. Anonymous12:45 PM

    Surprised not to see a comment on PORT AUTHORITY having an extra, non-theme OR in the second word. MOORED also has an OR, and AROAR is mighty close. Usually Rex goes out of his way to point out dupes like that.

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  58. I'm sorry, but in no way was Covid-19, the corona virus, ever referred to " colloquially" as RONA (53D), like it was some cute buddy's nickname.

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  59. SharonAK12:54 PM

    Just read Rex's write up and the refs on an elfish Shakespeare has me laughing still.

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  60. Well, this was pretty annoying. H OR N BLOWER, P OR T AUTHORITY, and 3 more like them. Oof! Don’t think I would have stuck around to finish it if I hadn’t already poured myself a neat rye and lit up a Nicaraguan Toro to accompany it. They, at least, were satisfying.

    Not so good was POISE, a delightful word clued via a gossip columnist I’ve never heard of. And SAMLET, a word first used (apparently) by Izaak Walton in the mid 1600s and, as far as I know, not used since. I have cast flies to trout and salmon in rivers across western North America and New Zealand for over 50 years and I have never heard the term in the wild. Apparently I have read the word but I wasn’t inclined to completely memorize Walton’s “The Compleat Angler”, as entertaining as it was. So no to SAMLET; baby salmon are alevins, fry, or smolts. Possibly even old Xword friend roe, if you wish to go back that far in their life cycle.

    Nice try, Simeon, but not my cup of tea. Words are fun and there are a lot of things to do with them that don’t just involve breaking them into pieces.

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    1. Re my yesterday's memory of the pieces of string having appeared in a Russian novel, I can find nothing of the sort to support it. I' fear that this may be another example of my having a very clear and vivid memory of something that happened in the past which never really took place. Still feels real in my head, but I'm afraid that's the only location in which it exists or ever existed.

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    2. Oh, forgot to mention parr in my list of salmonid life cycle phases, which i weird because it's what I most often call a young fish with - wait for it - parr marks, delightfully colourful oval markings on its sides. Occasionally, while fishing for larger, older trout, I inadvertently hook a juvenile and gently release it back into the river. Many of them have parr marks which will disappear as they age.

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    3. @pablo, @jberg posted this: Donald Hall, String Too Short to be Saved. Could that be it?

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    4. Saw @jberg's post yesterday, and even though Donald Hall is a NH poet, I was unfamiliar with this from him. BTW, I used to smoke a pipe (quit years ago) and I was always of the opinion that pipes smell better than they taste and cigars taste better than they smell.

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  61. Anonymous1:12 PM

    stuck in the login infinite loop. customer service isn't really helping. works perfectly fine on my phone

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  62. Anonymous1:15 PM

    The word “sasson” (ששון)appears in the seventh blessing, recited at Jewish weddings.

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    1. Raymond3:32 PM

      The provenance of "sasson" goes back to Isaiah (12:3): "Therefore you will draw water WITH JOY (בששון) from the wells of salvation,.

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  63. SharonAK1:37 PM

    I did NOT type elfish for all fish, nor ref for riff. Looked Okay when I hit "publish"
    I see Nancy lauded my favorite clue/answer. I tried many sorts o looks that would not fit until I saw from crosses that the answer was inherited. Vey clever misdirect.
    But on the whole , not a very enjoyable puzzle.

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  64. In a word, 1 across! It has been a long time since I've hated a puzzle as much as this one. The theme idea is not bad but a frustrating implementation. And I finished with, of course, no idea how SAMLET and SASSON crossed. I tried an H first, and just got more frustrated the more letters I tried.

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  65. Anonymous2:59 PM

    Don Jr called it the "Rona," so there's that.

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  66. Anonymous3:15 PM

    Finished without understanding the theme. Even after reading your explanation, I still don’t really get it. Annoying puzzle, no joy in it for me.

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  67. Anonymous3:18 PM

    The whole "Doctorate" of physical/occupational therapy is something I noticed maybe 5-6 years ago. It is only a 3 year program, so not sure why it isn't just a Masters like it used to be. But according to Dr. Google, it is a new requirement US wide. Probably some sort of Insurance based nonsense without any real teeth. If I was an MD, it would annoy me that they are giving those Doctorates for so little knowledge.

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  68. I also have been unable to access the puzzle or the puzzle archives for the past couple of days. I have an account and can access everything else, including other games. Several NYT help chats had me trying all sorts of contortions to no avail. At least it's a relief of sorts to see I'm not alone. Misery loves company.

    I filled the entire grid including the ORS reveal and still didn't get the theme. Even after reading Rex's explanation I'm still scratching my head. How or where was I supposed to come up with the "words starting with" part? This did not work for me. Maybe it's above my pay grade.

    Nice little bonus for me because I had PORT AUTHORITY in my 11/10/2020 NYT puzz but it had nothing to do with a "pundit" or a "tsar". The clue was "Sommelier".

    To this life long sailor, the answer to 17A "Secured by a slip" is incorrect. First, it should read "Secured in a slip". A slip is a marina docking space with two structures called slip walks projecting out on each side of the boat. And second, the answer should be DOCKED or TIED UP. MOORED means tied to a mooring buoy and this is a far different thing from being secured in a slip. Here's an image of some boats tied up in some slips. And here's an image of some boats tied up to mooring buoys. The area there is called a mooring field.

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  69. The fact that I don't recall having heard of 'RONA as a shorthand for CORONA, and that I found CORONA in the grid by startng with the 1st 3 letters of CORDCUTTER and then making a right turn at RONA, had me -- unsuccessully -- searching for hidden words at similar right angles around the other ORs in the theme answers. (I had figured that was part of the intent of "necessary to interpret" in the clue for 65A.)

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  70. Had we not just had the June 19th “change ab TO xy” theme, I would have tossed this one aside, so I caught the “x OR y” theme right off.

    I rarely feel that a puzzle is a chore but this one felt like it would never be finished. Yes, the theme answers instructed us to pick a first word beginning with x OR y that go with the second word. OK, and?

    By the time you were done, the theme reveal was redundant. In fact, I never read that one. As I reviewed my grid and saw ORS down there, and didn’t recall why. It made me think “abbreviation for the place where an appendix might be removed.” When I checked its clue and realized it was the reveal, that gave me my one laugh today. Maybe, ok probably that’s unfair. Sorry. Anyone for whom this was an introduction the “change/choose the right” letter theme likely struggled and might have gone looking for the reveal. It is after all a very clever and can be a fun theme.

    But then there’s the fill. SAMLET? Really? Fry, parr or SmoLts, yes so I put in SmoLts. And for me it never got much better. JETplane is more common certainly than JETLINER. I’m all about trivia, but if SASSON jeans were that big a deal (and I had a daughter who was always begging for the newest, most popular jeans and never heard of SASSON. I can forgive that too since my entire grownup wardrobe was business suits and I have never been interested in fashion. But the crosses today were not always helpful for the “harder” clues.

    Another answer that just fell splat was PATENTEE. No. Technically, yes but no, at least the phrase “for the telephone” was sufficient explanation. Generally, “eponymous” clues tend to leave me a tad cold, but again, ok. This one though might have been a pretty big stretch. Maybe experienced travelers and solvers will know that SPA, Belgium is famous for its mineral waters and therefore SPA services, but along with all the other tough/confusing things, this three letter word probably didn’t give anyone stuck the foothold hoped for.

    I am surprised not to have enjoyed a Simeon Siegel puzzle. This feels a little like Mr. Shortz et al saw the byline and just gave it the ok by virtue of her track record and stellar reputation as a constructor, which she so richly deserves.

    Could be me. I accept that 100%, but this one just did not give me the Thursday smiles I look for from him. And, I know that like me, Mr. Siegel is a fan of Thursday puzzles.However, I applaud the fact that only theme answers had OR letter combos. Now that is some skillful constructing and is vintage Simeon Siegel. I’m looking forward to the next one.

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