Thursday, May 15, 2025

African creature whose name is one letter away from what its horns might do / THU 5-15-25 / Dizzy feeling, with "the" / Certain grain source / Mark Twain tale narrated in the first person by a noted first woman

Constructor: Simeon Seigel

Relative difficulty: Hard (17:03)


THEME: [Statements that can be seen as positive ... or a hint to interpreting the theme entries] for DOUBLE NEGATIVE — In four long across entries, the letter string NO NO becomes YES, with each of the "NO"s squished into one box

Theme answers:
  • [Some colorful apparel] for TIE DYE SHIRTS which was written as TIE D NO NO HIRTS
    • The down answers crossing were NOD TO and DINO
  • [Certain grain source] for RYE SEED which was written as R NO NO EED
    • The down answers crossing were NOT IT and SNOOTILY
  • [Old-fashioned homemade cleaner] for LYE SOAP which was written as L NO NO OAP
    • The down answers crossing were NODULE and NOODLE
  • [Des Moines's domain] for HAWKEYE STATE which was written as HAWKE NO NO TATE
    • The down answers crossing were NOSE and RHINO

Word of the Day: HART (Eponym of the N.H.L.'s M.V.P. award) —
The Hart Memorial Trophy is named in honour of Canadian Dr. David Hart. Dr. Hart, who donated the original trophy to the NHL, was the father of Cecil Hart, a former coach and general manager of the Montreal Canadiens.
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Hi friends! Welcome to an off-schedule Malaika MWednesday aka Malaika MThursday. I just watched a movie with a friend and then tried to catch a bus home. I missed the bus by literally 30 seconds (I ran after it and waved at the bus driver, the whole deal), and so I hopped on a bike, and while I was biking home I saw the exact bus I had missed in a huge accident!!!!! No one was hurt (because the busses here drive like 4mph lol) but the car was fully totaled and I am still reeling from this experience and feel like I am a character in Final Destination

Okay, sorry for rambling, onto the puzzle! I love love loved this theme, but I did not really like the level of difficulty. I am a huge fan of rebus puzzles! I think there should be more of them on other days of the week, with circles and in-app tips about how to enter the answer. I'm also pretty good at clocking a rebus puzzle early. Usually what happens is I run into an entry I've seen a zillion times, but it doesn't fit. In this case, it was with the clue [Acknowledge nonverbally]. I knew this had to be either "nod at" or "nod to," but there weren't enough empty boxes. 🚨Rebus alert!!!🚨 At that point I searched around the grid for the revealer and confirmed NO felt relevant.

I think new solvers struggle with rebuses because they don't trust their gut-- like, let's take a look at the clue [Beast with a horn]. Pretty much anyone would say that this is a RHINO. But a new solver would look at the four available boxes and think "Oh man there must be some esoteric animal I've never heard of...." (in the vein of okapi or oryx or, um, IMPALA) and leave it blank, where a more experienced solver would think "Aha! 🚨Rebus time!!🚨"

Speaking of rhinos, the Solio Rhino Sanctuary has a new baby named..... MALAIKA!!!

It took me about seven minutes to solve the thematic element of the puzzle (aka all the long across answers + the down answers that crossed through the rebus) and then ten minutes to solve the rest. For me, that's a long time to spend on a third of a themed puzzle, and I didn't love it. Once I was done with the theme, I kept thinking "Well what's the point of all this?" In a hard themeless puzzle, your reward is the long, colorful entries. But here, I was struggling with super opaque clues on short fill (LOOT for [Spoils] was one example here), and the cleverness did not feel fun, it felt like a chore. I finished with an error-- I had RUSH (for [Call for delivery?]) and ROKES (for [Slow sorts, in slang], thought it was some old-timey slang I didn't know). That central bottom section was sooo hard for me.

But I'd like to know what your solving progress was like! I'll admit that I absolutely bodied the theme-- as I said, I got the rebus almost immediately, and was able to immediately plunk in the revealer across the center; the rest of the theme content was easy-peasy from there. But if the rebus was more of a slow burn for you, and you didn't get the theme until your grid was already 3/4 full, I can see your experience with the difficulty being different from mine. 

This is not really related to the puzzle but "slow burn" made me think about the announcement that Season 4 of Bridgerton is coming out soon

I almost wish I'd got to experience the theme as a Slow Burn because it was so deliciously good. I feel like it could be in a Crossword Textbook for how to absolutely nail a theme. There's a couple pretty tricky things going on (a rebus, letters getting swapped in, and letters reading differently across vs down), but the revealer so perfectly describes the behavior that it almost feels simple once you get it. Like "Oh, duh! The double negative becomes a positive! Of course!!" So elegant. On top of that, the two longer theme answers were fun and interesting. (And, outside of the thematic entries, we got HAIR SALON and MEAT EATER.)

Bullets:
  • [Small, clingy bristles on a gecko's foot] for SETAE crossing [Longtime deodorant brand] for ARRID — I had to totally guess on the A here. The gecko vocab was last used in the Times puzzle in 2013.
  • [Letter before cue] for PEE — The clue is referencing the letter Q, which is preceded by the letter P. I think it's so dumb when they do this, btw. We all pee! Let the clue reference pee!!
  • [Cool cat's "Roger that"] for IM HIP — I'm sorry but this felt like it was written twenty years ago...
  • [Close one, for short] for BFF — Fantastic clue, and I would have loved to see this in a hard themeless puzzle with no abbreviation indicator. I think when abbreviations are used aloud just as commonly as the full term (like MIT or ATM) then hard puzzles don't need the indicator.
xoxo Malaika

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129 comments:

  1. Anonymous1:20 AM

    I enjoyed it. But what do I know.

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    1. You know you enjoyed it, at the very least :)

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  2. I'm not a top notch solver by any means, but no way would I consider this hard. Maybe easy medium at most

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    1. Anonymous9:37 AM

      I feel this response is pretty rude. I really appreciate Malaika’s honesty. Clearly, she’s a “top notch” solver and yet I knew as soon as I saw the rating, that it couldn’t be Rex posting. In the decade I’ve been reading, he almost never finds (or at least acknowledges) that a puzzle was hard for him. Even if you did not find this puzzle hard (and I’m not saying this puzzle was or wasn’t hard for me) there were other ways to say this, especially that would have been additive rather than discussion ending. That’s one of things I appreciate about Rex’s posts. Even though he rarely writes from a place that’s challenged, and can be quite critical of the construction, he makes it interesting anyway.

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  3. Anonymous2:04 AM

    Medium. Unlike @Malaika took me a while to catch on to how the NONO=YES rebus worked and also, unlike @Malaik, the rest of this was pretty easy for me. SETAE and EVES DIARY were it for WOEs and I had no costly erasures…so a somewhat different solving experience for me.

    Clever and fun and just about right (@Malaika Crossword Textbook) for a Thursday, liked it.

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    1. This was me, somehow I got logged out of google?

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  4. Anonymous2:28 AM

    Loved this theme and the rebus! Thank you so much for this one

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  5. Anonymous4:03 AM

    For cue, I was thinking “c” rather than “q” and unfortunately I don’t know anything about guitars.

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  6. I dunno, Malaika, I used to like you but now that I know you're a rebus-loving heathen I'm not so sure :)

    My solving progress: I realized it was a rebus at 5D, which couldn't be anything other than DI[NO]. Then when the T in 24A confirmed NOD TO at 18D, I got the [NO][NO] idea. Next in my theme pursuit I got [NO]T IT and S[NO]OTILY at 27D and 22D respectively, and I realized we were in for a bunch of [NO][NO]s. I got the theme at 39A, and that's when I realized that the [NO][NO]s equated to YESes. From there on it was easy. Overall, I found it Easy-Medium.

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  7. Bob Mills5:32 AM

    Solved it with an alphabet run to get the SETAE/TIEDYESHIRTS cross (I had never heard of either), plus I had to change "rush" to PUSH for the delivery clue (an obstetrician's command to a mother-to-be, I assume). Medium difficulty, I thought...with a clever and reasonable theme.

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    1. Anonymous10:20 AM

      Sorry, Bob - you’ve not heard of tie-dye before???

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  8. Anonymous5:49 AM

    Interesting puzzle. Took me about a minute longer than usual to finish it. So I’d say easy-schmedium.

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  9. This was hard for me... I spent a lot of time on the 1st themer. I knew about the 'no' rebus, but only saw one, and thought maybe it was that one square could be yet or no (so you'd end up with TIEDYEtSHIRTS). So I really spent a lot of time there before finally moving on. Once I got the "DOUBLENEGATIVES" I was like... oh.... it has to be nono... are the 2 nos in 1 square... and then finally I saw the theme with LYESOAP, NODULE AND NOODLE. Took me forevuh to parse the HAWKEYESTATE. I also finished with the error at rUSH/rOKE, and spent about 5 minutes checking for my mistake--finally figured it out without cheating and got the happy music. Now I call that a win, if I can find my mistake without hitting the "check puzzle" button. Those of you who call that a dnf are way too... extra for me. : ) Thanks, Simeon, for a challenging Thursday (in my case, Wednesday night)....

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  10. It's Thursday, so I was looking for a potential rebus just because of the day. I figured it should be one at NOD AT/to but wasn't confident enough to rebus NO at that point. I dithered around with some of the non-theme answers and figured out the DOUBLE NEGATIVE with only a couple letters--and then the theme clicked and I quickly filled in NOD AT, DINO, RYE SEED and LYE SOAP. The puzzle played medium for me--my solving time was about average for a Thursday. I enjoyed the theme but like @Malaika found the rest kind of a slog.

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  11. Anonymous6:30 AM

    I was today years old when I realized shirts and shorts have just a one letter difference.

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    1. Anonymous10:22 AM

      Shirts and skirts too [face palm]

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  12. Anonymous6:35 AM

    Now THIS was a fun challenge for me… made me think a little at 6:15am

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  13. Andy Freude6:49 AM

    Malaika, what a story about the bus and the bike! Glad you’re OK. I, like many of your readers here, care about your well-being, even if you are a lover of the miserable, pointless invention called the rebus.

    My rebus alarm went off early, exactly the same way yours did, but with the opposite reaction from me, and a totally different solving strategy. Whenever I hit a spot where I smell a rebus, I skip over it and move on. By the time I’ve filled in as much non-rebutic fill as I can, the trick usually is evident, and I finish up by going through the grid and filling the rebus squares, often with gritted teeth.

    The best part of this method? Knowing that tomorrow is Friday, often the best puzzle day of the week. Can’t wait.

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    1. Anonymous8:19 AM

      That's how I solved, by skipping it until I got to the revealer - at that point it eh NO NO made sense and filled in the rest. Overall average Thursday

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    2. @Andy -- So your "rebus alarm" went off early, did it? And this upset/annoyed you??? Why not just the opposite? A rebus is a battle of wits with the constructor and you were on the threshold of winning the battle. And EARLY, not late! Why weren't you exhilarated? Why weren't you clapping yourself on the back? Why don't you consider yourself a potential rebus prodigy? Wunderkind?

      Why it's like reading Andre Agassi's memoir and discovering that the superbly talented Agassi, seemingly born to play tennis, hated and despised tennis his whole life.

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  14. I.always struggle trying to discern where the rebus squares go. To me, there is nothing really elegant about a grid with answers like LNONOOAP. It just looks clumsy and well, kind of goofy. I know there are many fans who enjoy the challenge - and it is Thursday after all, so for those of you in the Malaika camp - enjoy. The rest of it seemed pretty straightforward, so hopefully it was an all around enjoyable solve for the rebus (rebi?) fans out there.

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    1. agreed re: inelegant. I saw what was happening but left the squares open for a bit hoping I was wrong.

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  15. Anonymous6:54 AM

    A Nono is something that is forbidden. Can anyone tell me how that converts into a yes?

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    1. Anonymous3:27 PM

      They don’t actually convert, but relate to 39 across — double negatives can become positives in general speech. Of course, I can’t think of a good example right now, sorry.

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    2. Anonymous4:02 PM

      I agree with you 100%, b/c a "no-no" is indeed something forbidden. IMO, the constructor was high on his own ego.

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    3. “I did NOt do NOthing” = “I did something”

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  16. Congrats Malaika for sussing out the rebus first.

    I did spend considerable time considering RISOTTO as the grain.

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    1. Anonymous10:24 AM

      I thought maybe “LOAP” was short for lye soap and I just hadn’t heard of it.

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  17. Fantastic - loved working the trick and the weekend level fill satisfied. The placement of the spanning revealer was ideal. HAWKEYE STATE really popped.

    The BYRDs

    Agree that was some dated oddball fill - BELIE, I’M HIP etc but I’ll overlook it. Any hesitation was short lived with generous crosses. SNOOTILY was one of the highlights.

    LOCAL Hero

    Highly enjoyable Thursday morning solve - on my list for POY.

    Joy Division

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    1. Anonymous10:07 AM

      I always look forward to your music recommendations in this blog - Thank you!

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  18. This was hard for me! I went through the whole thing thinking there was no rebus and slightly disappointed about it (I’m a rebus-liker and this is Thursday). But lots of answers that seemed obvious but wouldn’t fit, then finally saw it with NODULE and NOODLE. A little slow on the uptake today…

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  19. I stared at my finished puzzle, no happy music, for ages before realizing that SNOtTILY is SNOOTILY and its cross, TOTt, is TOTO. That was frustrating. TOTO, in retrospect, was a gimme, but I had started with SNObbILY, put in ITEMS, replaced the b's with t's and accepted TOTt as a name I didn't recognize.

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    1. This was my error too, and because it was a rebus I wasn't sure if I needed to fine tune how I was entering the rebus or search for an error so I just revealed it and lost my gold star. I guess I will trust my rebus entering skills more in the future.

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    2. Bruce R9:56 AM

      I figured TOTT was a dog I had never heard but it just didn’t feel right. Then I briefly thought TOOT might be the mystery dog. Then TOTO fell.

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    3. Anonymous12:11 PM

      Count me in on this goof…

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    4. Anonymous10:01 PM

      +1 for TOTt.

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  20. Simeon loves to make tricky Thursdays. Of his 17 NYT puzzles, 12 fall on that day. He also loves wordplay, which his clues abound in. I share those loves, so when I see his name atop a Thursday, I’m giddy and favorably disposed before filling in the first square.

    What an elegant theme! Never done before anywhere. It’s hard enough to come up with a tricky puzzle theme (try it sometime!), but to come up with one that has a fresh angle is most noteworthy. Simeon has a talent for this.

    Regarding terrific wordplay in his clues: BFF, IMPALA, TEAR, ARSON, UTERI, PUSH, and AREA. The clue [Close one, for short] for BFF misdirected me for the longest time, and those are the sweetest clues because they bring the most powerful ahas when cracked.

    Serendipitous bonus: A rare-in-crossword five-letter semordnilap (SPINS).

    I came into the blank grid giddy, Simeon, and left it satisfied. These are hallmarks of your puzzles for me, for which I’m extremely grateful!

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  21. Anonymous7:43 AM

    Sad to see our CORN BELT streak broken. I thought we had a chance with the Des Moines clue, but alas….

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  22. BTW, I have a puzzle tomorrow in the Washington Post / LA Times -- a themed Friday -- should you be so inclined after finishing your Times puzzle.

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    1. Lewis, is that accessible to us non-subscribers to the LAT? I'd love to try it! : )

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    2. Yes! Just Google LA Times crossword -- you can solve it online or print it out. It's free.

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    3. Can’t wait to solve your newest @Lewis!! Thanks for sharing.

      I am also a Simeon Superfan! So pleased to see that byline today.

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  23. Anonymous7:59 AM

    I love rebuses and since this is Thursday, well of course. It was on the harder side of medium for a Thursday (but not as hard as almost any saturday). I never heard of Eves Diary so learned something there.
    Malaika - sorry about your close call with the bus but IMO biking is more fun anyway (studies show that people who commute by bike are the happiest BTW (google "which forms of commuting are happiest for those who don't believe it)
    Happy trails!

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  24. Here’s something I’ve never seen before in Crosslandia – Today’s mini puzzle by Christina Iverson echoes the theme of her Monday 15x15 puzzle, the one that had the theme answers containing ANDs and the ANDY revealer. Cool!

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    1. Thanks for sharing this (and without spoilers)! I got a chuckle after reading the last clue, which happened only after I had finished the puzzle.

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    2. I pretty much never do the mini, but I did today based on your post. It made me smile! Thanks!

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  25. Didn't find getting the answers nearly as hard as figuring out how to write them on my printout. Seeing the (now) obvious two NO's in a row to equal a YES clears that all up and is definitely a large Doh! moment.

    Good day for trivia and was happy to think of SETAE right away and know what the HART Trophy is (longtime hockey fan here). No problem with PUSH, as I had just written UTERI. Surprised many didn't make that connection, which I thought was elegant. And welcome back to one of the ALOU bothers. Haven't seen you in a while. You're much easier to spell than the counter-intuitive ISIAH, who always gives me trouble.

    Someone is sure to bring up how yeah, yeah, a double affirmative can equal a negative, so I won't bother.

    Nice enough Thursday, SS. Smooth Sailing for me except for the entry problem. Thanks for all the fun.

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    1. Thanks for pointing out the "PUSH/UTERI" conjunction. That was really elegant! But I missed it in my confusion over the rebus : /

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  26. Well, since you asked...

    Easy here. Not Monday-easy, but but Wednesday-easy.

    I never go looking for revealers, but my natural solving pattern hit DOUBLE NEGATIVES very early, although I had no idea what to do with it as I had not at that point hit any theme clues - as far as I knew. It turns out I had hit one at 49A, but since I had no idea what "Old fashioned homemade cleaner" could be, I had no reason to think something was afoot.

    Next themer I hit was 62A, and again, no idea what "Des Moines' domain" was going to be, so still no reason to suspect a rebus.

    I next hit RHINO and NOT IT in quick succession, and while I skipped over RHINO thinking it could be some breed of cow or goat, I got it at NOT IT. At this point I had about 40% of the grid filled in.

    No real troubles from that point. FilED before FAXED was a brief holdup in the NE, and I hesitated a bit over POKES but put it in anyway. What a terrible clue for a word that has a perfectly good, non-slang definition.

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  27. Anonymous8:10 AM

    Putting in ASTA instead of TOTO slowed me down!

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    1. Anonymous10:05 PM

      Hands up for asTa.

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  28. I liked it. I thought the theme was fun, and the level of difficulty for me was right on, I like a harder puzzle. Had DISSED and didn’t know HART so I had a bit of trouble figuring out where my error was, had to look up the NHL award and found the mistake, DISHED.

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  29. Hey All !
    Figured out what in tarhooties was going on at RNONOEED (actually thinking it was LYESEED), even though SNOTILY fit the clue as well as SNOOTILY. Actually, did have the Rebus in at RHINO, but didn't trust it, as 62A had to end in STATE. But, then had enough letters in the Revealer to see NEGATIVES, so put RHINO back in. Remembered (amazing enough!) ADA Lovelace, which let me see the DOUBLE part of Revealer, then got the lightbulb moment of "If I put another NO next to the RHINO one, then it probably changes to YES, which would get me STATE. Ah, I see! HAWKEYE!" I didn't describe that well, but you get the gist.

    Went hunting for the other NONO=YES squares.

    Interesting idea. Wondering what the over/under will be on how many didn't grok the theme.

    So, if you liked this puz, would you say NONO?

    Ah, man, the Vegas Golden Knights are out of the playoffs. Dang it.

    Welp, have a Happy Thursday!

    Three F's
    RooMonster
    DarrinV

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    2. Gee, Roo (he said SNOOTILY), too bad about your Knights. I was on the edge of my seat cheering for the Oilers because my Canucks didn't even get to the show* and I really would like a Canadian-based team to win this year. Winnipeg's faltering and I hate Toronto, so Go Oilers!

      *Feel free to feel snooty about that.

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  30. glad you're ok, and congrats on the baby rhino! 🦏 🚴🏾‍♀️

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  31. Anonymous8:41 AM

    Just beat my average Thursday time even without the extra minute lost to distractions while solving. So, I'd rate this one easy to double medium. I won't say anything negative about the puzzle because it spoke for itself.

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  32. I was initially baffled by ?DTO at 18D, but once I figured out the trick, which I did almost immediately, the rest was smooth sailing. I didn't find this hard -- in many ways the theme made filling in a lot of answers easier -- and I suspect that most of the comments today will be about the difficulty of how to enter the answers on some sort of app so that the app will accept them.

    Fortunately, I didn't have to deal with any of that. I wrote in two successive tiny "NO"s at the bottom of the Down squares, and when writing in the YES in the Acrosses proved to be too cramped, I just imagined them and wrote in the rest of the letters to the answer. I then put a big circle around that area -- noting to myself and for posterity that that's where the YES, NO, NO went.

    Solving on paper. There's nothing quite like it!

    The revealer is brilliant. I got to it, placed where it was, before I had tried to figure out why there were two "NO"s and one "YES". I'll never know if I would have figured it out on my own.

    Thought this was quite nice and very well-executed. It could have been made a lot harder with tougher cluing, but would I have liked it as much? Or would there have been too much suffering? I do like challenge and so I'm really not sure.

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  33. Anonymous9:09 AM

    Medium for me. I figured out that the rebus boxes were no based on the down clues and got the “double negatives” pretty quickly but it never clicked that the missing letters in the across clues spelled yes. I kept cursing at them.

    But most of the rest was fairly easy for a Thursday. Somehow I’m pretty good at figuring out what letters are missing/changed in rebus puzzles but always miss the reasoning and come here. I wish the app would give the daily puzzle a title for some kind of hint.

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  34. I’m missing something…. The last theme reads HAWKE(NO)(NO)STATE, which translates to HAWKEEYESTATE. That E in UTERI shouldn’t be there. Somebody please straighten me out on that.

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    1. It's just HAWKE[YES]TATE, if you parse it out. discombobulating puzzle for me too : )

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      HAWKE(YES)TATE

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    3. UTERI is the correct Down answer (plural of uterus).

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    4. Bob Mills10:38 AM

      If you put "YE" in the first NO box, and "S" in the second, that spells YES and also HAWKEYESTATE. Check it out again.

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  35. Anonymous9:19 AM

    This was on the easier side; however, (and perhaps due to 2am grogginess) I thought the “no no” turned into “ayes” because, well phonetically it works. An example would be Hawk[ayes]tate. Also “ayes” works with every other themer. But it didn’t make sense since ayes is plural and we are looking for a singular “positive.” So, after completing the puzzle I came to rex world looking for validation that this was a weird (and perhaps sloppy) crossword, only to find that I’d missed that “yes” swaps perfectly in place of the “no no”s. I may switch to doing the puzzle after a good night’s sleep and after coffee, when my mind is a little sharper, rather than in the murky half-dream haze of the wee hours. But then I wouldn’t have the puzzle to do as a sleep aid at 2am. What a dilemma.

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  36. Anonymous9:19 AM

    Please tell me how to place more than 1 letter in a box. I'm new to online solving.

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    1. Andy Freude4:12 PM

      In the NYT Games app, which I use (on an iPad), there’s a “rebus” key in the lower right corner of the keyboard. Tap that, put in as many letters as you wish, then move on to the next square.

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  37. I like rebuses, too, and I liked this one. My last answers were SETAE/ESP, and because my morning-fog brain didn't grasp the double meaning of "unnatural sight," I didn't think ESP was the right answer. Oh well. Malaika, regarding your write-up: The plural of BUS is BUSES (one s). BUSSES are kisses!

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  38. I'm very disappointed in myself for not really reading the revealer clue and thus not quite getting the “two no's = yes” so I was putting a kind of double rebus with a no and a yes. Gah, sometimes I can be so obtuse.

    Simeon Seigel, great Thursday theme idea, thanks!

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    1. Anonymous10:25 AM

      How do two nos equal a yes?

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  39. Great puzzle: I loved the theme and even liked the crunchier clueing that made it hard (didn’t love not knowing some of the trivia, but that’s just life). I was solving all over the grid and first figured the rebus out backwards at the combination of LyesOAP and TIEDyesHIRT. I spent some time trying to figure out how a “ye” rebus made sense, why the crosses didn’t work, and what any of it had to do with DOUBLE NEGATIVES. When the aha came, I loved it!

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  40. Brilliant! I absolutely loved it. Took a lot of staring and head tapping to figure out how the NO NO turned into a YES but I finally got it with HAWKEYE STATE. The theme was tricky, clues made it a little bit harder than it could’ve been, and yet not too hard, which means it was also a lot of fun; and that makes all the difference IMHO.

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  41. Anonymous9:44 AM

    Hated

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    1. Anonymous12:43 AM

      Agreed. This puzzle was awful. I’m surprised at the commenters here.

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  42. I love a good NO NO, but a TIEDNONOHIRTS. Given my preference in this regard I'd call the puzzle easy enough.

    @Malaika. I don't take buses much, but especially the express bus. I prefer my buses like my cottage cheese - - LOCAL. I think an invisible hand was guiding you last night. I suggest you re-read Adam Smith.

    I guess that you could call a gambling hall an ANTEchamber.

    Mrs. Egs always gets upset when she finds SETAE on the settee.

    Boy: Dad, how do you start spelling a sentence with "or"?
    Dad: CAPO ARSON.

    Very cool theme, but then I'm a rebiphile through and through. Loved this. Thanks, Simeon Seigel.

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  43. Adam S10:11 AM

    Great writeup, Malaika. Really interesting to think about how different people solve.

    For me, I had the same realization you had at 18-D. But I could see that 17-A was TYE/DYE something(s), but I couldn't see what the something(s) would be if it was a simple YES/NO rebus. So I carried on working the crosses on the nontheme stuff.

    Same thing at 22-D, where I actually put in the NO rebus on SNOOTILY as a pattern was evolving, but left it at that since I tend to wait for a good number of crosses on any clue that involves something shouted in the playground.

    That meant that I got the gist of the theme by getting the revealer and then figured, since I had a ton of crosses to work in the middle from the grid-spanner, I'd figure out the precise implementation at the next themer. Which was super-easy at LYESOAP/L(NO)(NO)OAP with any doubt easily removed by the fact I'd coincidentally put NODULE into a grid I was working on earlier in the week.

    I have no idea whether your approach is better or worse than mine from a speed-solving perspective (this played slow for a Thursday for me, too), but your comment about the end of the crossword being a bit of a slog made me happy that I hadn't stopped to work out the theme early. By the time I knew the precise theme implementation, I had the majority of the fill already in.

    Thanks again for a thought-provoking writeup

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  44. I liked this puzzle. I had "shirts" and figured it had to be "tie dye shirts", but it took a bit of time to figure out the rebus/theme. I lacked a lot of the factual knowledge here (ISIAH thomas, EVE'S DIARY, ARRID), but it was a quick-ish solve for me (slow by many of your standards, I'm sure, but still feels nice!).

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  45. Anonymous10:22 AM

    I’M HIP took me back to more than 50 years ago. Ah, the good ol’ days.

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  46. I bombed tried to put yes no in the squares no yes

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  47. A different style of ThursPuz rebus affliction. Luv different.

    Figured out the rebus NO & YES puztheme mcguffin early on, at TIED(NONO/YESYES)HIRTS. Took a little longer to figure out why just one YES rebus, but two NO reba. Nice ahar moment, there.

    staff weeject pick: NO & the ghost-YES.

    some other faves: HAIRSALON & its clue. POKES clue.

    Thanx for the puz full of NONOs, Mr. Seigel dude. Nice job.

    Masked & Anonymo5Us

    ... and a relatively easy dessert ...

    "Never Again" - 8x7 themed runt puzzle:

    **gruntz**

    M&A

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  48. Anonymous10:40 AM

    rex would have rated this as easy. for a Thursday

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  49. One more 👋 for the under average time crowd. Also IMHIP is more like 70 years ago than 20. Twenty years ago is *still in this century*. Those cool cats were before the 60s. Just saying.

    @Roo, loved your description of grokking the theme!

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  50. I'm posting before reading, having solved this one in the printed newspaper, and I'm eager to hear from all of you who had to figure out how to enter this rebus into the app. I'm also eager to see how it gets described - I think it's Malaika today, isn't it? Rex said he'd be away. I spent a long time when I was studying piano learning to play 3-against-2, and that's basically the issue here.

    So a very clever and intricate theme -- but it led to things like the unclued inclusion of the definite article with EL TORO and the awkward SNOOTILY, perfectly OK grammatically but rarely seen in the wild. Also, it's try that rye grains are seeds, but to say the source of the grain is the seed is a stretch--- like saying the source of popcorn is corn seeds.

    OK, enough out of me, I'll go read the blog.

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  51. So I think what Malaika is saying is that you just put NO NO in the app, and don't bother with the YES? Disappointing if true.

    And I realize now why it took me longer than it should have -- I wanted TIE-DYEd something, rather than just TIE-DYE, so it was hard to parse the rebus.

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  52. Not quite awake - I had the rebus NO NO in and working fine down, but didn’t read the revealer and thought the NO NO was just telling me the across answers containing them were wrong! Oof! Enjoyed it and the clues!

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  53. Anonymous11:29 AM

    I like rebus puzzles in general, and especially when they’re done well.

    This was fantastic! Such a clever and fresh trick. I’m always happy to have Malaika here but I was hoping to see what Rex would say about the construction - to me it seems like a marvel. Having 4x back to back rebuses creating three letters in two across squares, and still finding homes for a four long 9’s in the NW/SE - seriously impressive.

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  54. Absolute nightmare for solvers who think rebus = no no! Personally I’m a glutton for the extra layer of stress they impose, so I’m thrilled by having the penny drop at LNONOOAP. That string of characters defies reality, but the crossing seems fair.

    Thanks Malaika for your excellent response and kudos to @Lewis for his LAT success & great recommendations for other grid options to amuse and delight.

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  55. Turning NO NO into YES - what a great twist on a rebus puzzle - and so nice that YESes span the two parts of the theme answers. Medium for me, with my not knowing what to do with the extra letters needed for the TIED??SHIRT and R??SEED - until I got the reveal. I still had to work at getting my neighboring HAWKE[YE]STATE, an especially nice treat to close things out. A very pleasing Thursday for me.

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  56. Anonymous11:43 AM

    Good story for bike to work day (or bike home day)! Took me a while to figure the trick out, probably average Thursday

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  57. EasyEd12:10 PM

    Just chiming in to say I really liked this puzzle and had fun figuring out the rebus. Found first foothold in the SW with NODULE and NOODLE and puzzled on up from there. Odd point was that SNOTILY seemed to be enough without the extra O. As Malaika guessed, found this a tough go until I figured out the full meaning of the rebus.

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  58. EasyEd12:10 PM

    Just chiming in to say I really liked this puzzle and had fun figuring out the rebus. Found first foothold in the SW with NODULE and NOODLE and puzzled on up from there. Odd point was that SNOTILY seemed to be enough without the extra O. As Malaika guessed, found this a tough go until I figured out the full meaning of the rebus.

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  59. Anonymous12:11 PM

    This is my favorite puzzle of the year so far. I tend to associate Simeon Seigel with tricky Thursdays but my solve today was very smooth, especially by rebus standards. It's true that figuring out the theme gives you a lot of information (each long answer has YES, and features two "NO" squares back to back), but it's still an inventive theme concept.

    I didn't get anything in the NW at first and moved down to the ALOU ADA ANDSO area. DOUBLE NEGATIVES came easily, before I ever looked at the other long Acrosses, so maybe I just lucked out into the revealer. I tried [NO]D AT and then erased it, I felt I was overthinking something. But then -T-T had to be [NO]T IT, I guessed the second NO square just from the DOUBLE in the revealer, and from the R in ELTORO I figured it had to be RYEsomething and that was the aha moment.

    I guessed the A in SETAE x ARRID just because the 1D clue is plural and the -AE ending looked reasonable. Not good pieces of fill by any means, but at least that observation can get you out of Natick territory.

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  60. Hi Malaika - so glad you're ok - the gods were definitely looking out for you :)
    Also, I remember when guys used to say "I'M HIP" (it was 'cool' at the time).
    On the down side, while this wasn't as tricky (for me) as most rebuses (rebi?), I still am not fond of them - but thank you, Simeon :)

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  61. I let this one beat me. Even though I have a background in mathematics, I couldn’t put together the “no no” equals yes. It was one of those things when I saw the solution, it was “DUH.”

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  62. Great write-up, Malaika

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  63. Tom F1:27 PM

    Well, the puzzle told us where the rebus would be, so that removed much of the difficulty…

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  64. I found this kinda medium difficulty. Like Malaika, I got half of the trick (the rebus) pretty quickly at NOD TO, and much later got the other half of the trick (NO+NO = YES). And it is a pretty great theme, Thursday worthy. But I finished just over 13 minutes; slightly easy for Thursday.

    The revealer DOUBLE NEGATIVES reminds me of a memorable headline I saw in our local paper, which was actually a quadruple negative! It said something like "City won't drop opposition to land use ban." Translation: "City: land use okay".

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  65. Anonymous2:05 PM

    Easy! NONO, really!
    I ordinarily try to solve these Thursday kid's game puzzles as themeless. But I accidentally looked at the revealer, and immediately got the theme. The rest was just a matter of filling in the squares.

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    1. @ Anon 2:05 very similar experience because I got the theme’s process very quickly. What bugged me was that the “actual” theme answers all had one too few squares to fit the “right” letters in.

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  66. Anonymous2:06 PM

    This is the kind of puzzle that makes me consider cancelling my subscription. i cannot understate how much i hate it when the answers don't match the clue because they are trying to do something cute. That's a different kind of puzzle.

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    1. Agreed. Just advanced trickery instead of solving a crossword puzzle

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  67. Had a similar experience to a lot of commenters: figured there was a rebus up there in the NW, but couldn't quite figure out what it was. So I just started working down the west side and managed too see the NODULE, NOODLE, LNONOOAP mashup. Didn't know why it was there but just kept moving until I found the revealer, which was partly filled by crosses, completed it and didn't have a lot of trouble after that. I'm no speed solver - I prefer ambling to running - so I don't often check my times but this seemed pretty medium.

    I liked the concept but, even more, I liked the clueing for some of the shorter stuff. 11A BFF, 28A ARSON, 52A PUSH, 57A LOOT, 53D UTERI, and 66A AREA. That last one really held me up. I'm a mathphobe and I couldn't, for the longest time, unsee that formula and notice the other meaning of sphere.

    Good Thursday morning workout.

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  68. Anonymous3:20 PM

    Finished with the same “R” instead of “P” you did. Fixed and smiled because the P makes much more sense. Agree that the rebus was a good one. Enjoyable puzzle overall and good right up.
    Bike is always better than bus!

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  69. Anonymous3:22 PM

    clever rebus but really awful clues also the across yes is doubled which is kinda strange because the downs work as NO each time

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  70. Anonymous3:28 PM

    I think it's funny that Malaika things "I'm hip" was fresh 20 years ago. I'm 50, and "I'm hip"was outdated when I was still in diapers. This puzzle was hard and fun. Made me feel smart to figure out the trick.

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    1. @Anonymous 3:28PM. I’m with you on “I’m hip.” I am 72 and remember the Dobie Gillis show from the late ‘50s with a character named Maynard G Krebs, a Beatnik character who was really a parody of someone who would say “I’m hip.” It was at least getting old way back then!

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  71. When you see a bus and it pulls away and then you catch up to it and see it again, can we call that a rebus?

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  72. Malaika, your bus incident was, to borrow a crossword staple, eerie.

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  73. Anonymous3:54 PM

    IMO, this puzzle is complete BS. It should NEVER have made it past any puzzle editor and into print.

    To make TWO SQUARES of rebus into one word that requires THREE actual squares is utterly bogus. Then to do it only in ONE direction makes it even worse. (No, it's not more clever! It's just WORSE.) This shows a constructor who's lost sight of what a crossword is.

    You can throw out any/all rules for crosswords if this puzzle is considered acceptable.

    IMO, this one is absolutely NOT LEGIT as puzzle construction goes. Fire the editor, and send the constructor to the Tower of London and let him languish there. Then maybe he'll learn what a "no-no" really is.

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  74. Holy Moly what a Thursday! Started out confidently with a lot of across answers going down the W side and picked up the first rebus at 18D with NOD TO. Because of my confidence in the rebus, it obviously killed my TIEDYE SHIRT in the initial theme slot at 17A. Hmmmmmmm.

    Kept on going down the W side. By the time I returned to the top to try to figure out what to do with my TIEDYE, I had everything down through 42 which gave me TIEDNO and DOUBLE. Again, Hmmmmmmmmmm.

    Moved over to the center and quickly had DISHED, IMPALA, INTO and TOPS which meant that I had at least two TIEDNONOHIRTS. This is where my brain exploded.

    I figured that the theme had something to do with DOUBLE NEGATIVES (I already had most of DOUBLE and two obvious negatives, but I was already irritated because there are not enough squares in 17A for the answer to be TIEDYE SHIRTS - plural.

    The remainder of the solve continued. I laughed at the clue for PUSH (call for delivery). Best part of the puzzle for me, especially crossing UTERI. It’s something I remember well even 45 years later.

    Extra long (38 hours) troublesome labor, stubborn me refusing to go for the C section unless the doc said the baby was in danger, and when things finally started moving at warp speed both the doc and hubs screaming PUSH DAMMIT! Those days, you weren’t a “real woman” unless you delivered the “right” way and without drugs. By then, I was almost too tired to get the job done. I was also unmedicated which gave me some serious desire. Stupid. Sorry, TMI I know. Back to the puzzle.

    I finished this in fairly average Thursday time and I am not certain - even after reading Malaika’s excellent writeup - that I am not missing something. Yes, the theme is new, clever and elegant. It was also easily sussed out, as today’s inimitable leader, Malaika noted. However, I remain seriously troubled by the fact that all the theme “correct” answers are one square short of being able to contain the entire “correct” answer.

    Is the missing square part of the NO-NO? There’s a square missing in every theme answer. I can’t spell out TIEDYE SHIRTS, RYE SEED, LYE SOAP or HAWKEYE STATE. That’s a big NO-NO!

    Regardless of my lack of full grok-edness, this is the first Thursday in forever that solved as a Thursday should. Huge props to Simeon Siegel (another on my list of favorite constructors) and to Malaika for a very special Malaika Thursday!

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  75. Anonymous5:37 PM

    AWFUL concept, AWFUL execution.

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  76. Anonymous5:50 PM

    Theme very easy to figure out. SETAE crossing ARRID was hard for me, having never heard of either of those (and the word EAVE was eluding me, I kept wanting NAVE even though that’s a part of a church, not a house).

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  77. Anonymous7:34 PM

    Hard to fathom how much I hated this so called puzzle

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  78. Thursday is my favorite NYTXW day, and this puzzle is a great example of why. I'm also thankful that the clue for RHINO didn't refer to it as a "critter."

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    1. @Dorkito S 8:37PM. Given some of the excellent word play today, my first thought at the clue “beast with a horn” was Miles Davis. The I fit but I already had the rebus NO so went with RHINO.

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  79. Medium(ish) for me. Rebus bells went off at 51D - NOODLE. I had already sussed the revealer fairly early on with just the O and the U so Immediately after I got NOODLE , NODULE fell and then 49A - LNONOOAP clicked for LYESOAP. From there is it was pretty straight forward. Definitely some elegance in this one and I thought the theme was quite ingenious.
    As others pointed out, some great cluing as well: BFF, HAIRSALON, TOGA, etc...
    Learned something new with HART and I'm a big baseball fan...
    Keeping with the sports theme, I'm also a basketball fan and I will NEVER get ISIAH spelled correctly... my brain always blanks and I need the crosses, luckily they all fell neatly.
    Like Malaika - I also had RUSH crossing with ROKES and just kinda left it there. I Like the correct answers much better with PUSH crossing UTERI!
    With all the great stuff here, why didn't I have more fun with this one??? It may be one of those cases where my respect for the construction is through the roof but the journey just didn't have the joy factor for me. But that is a me problem - I still think it was a great Thursday.

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  80. I love that Malaika uses both bus and bike to get around, and that she has a namesake rhinoceros. I like rebuses and am more likely to err on the side of "this must be a rebus because my first answer didn't fit" than the reverse. I thus had entered the NO rebuses for some of the downs, but not confidently, as the acrosses seemed wrong. When I got the revealer, I filled in the remaining doubles, and from one of them realized that NONO had to turn into YES, and that allowed me to finish the puzzle.

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  81. Quemándose el aceite de medianoche.

    Question in my head: Do I love Malaika the puzzle maven or Malaika the rhino more?

    Haha! Loved it. I finally figure out the NONO thing and still can't understand what's going on and I have four squares left and YES finally punches me in the face from TIE DYE SHIRT. Poof. The others made sense. Lovely constructioneering. And funny.

    SETAE is the most ridiculous thing ever ever ever put in a puzzle.

    People: 5
    Places: 0
    Products: 6
    Partials: 8
    Foreignisms: 1
    --
    Gary's Grid Gunk Gauge: 20 of 78 (26%)

    Funnyisms: 6 😅

    Tee-Hee: Secret rendezvous.

    Uniclues:

    1 How Santa gets a little action.
    2 Place for ranchers to take their boys will be boys obsession to a new level.
    3 Uncanny ability to find cow pictures.
    4 Chilling effect of the bovine uprising.

    1 FLUE TRYST
    2 ALL STEERS AREA
    3 EL TORO ARTS NOSE
    4 FROZE MEAT EATER

    My Fascinating Crossword Uniclue Keepsake from Last Year: Gautama at the beach. CHESTNUT BUDDHA.

    ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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  82. OMG, this was the easiest thursday ever. Came here to see if for the first time I might have beaten Rex and wouldn't you know, he chickened out?

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  83. Robert “Bob Roberts” Robertson III, M.D., Esq.10:34 AM

    I didn’t like RYESEED, LYESOAP was fine, but TIEDYESHIRTS and HAWKEYESTATE were both good themers. Good idea, too!

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  84. Anonymous11:08 AM

    I completed the puzzle, no problem, but could not make the leap to “Yes” from double “no.” I found it impenetrable.

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  85. It took a lot longer to solve the gimmick than it did to solve the rest of the puzzle. Is that a good or a bad thing? I guess it depends if you like or dislike challenging gimmicks.

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  86. Hard-ish here. I knew from RHINO (and that it's Thursday) that we had a "NO" rebus going, but it took a while to get the whole picture, with the unprinted "YES"es.

    One thing though: shouldn't SNOTILY be spelled with two T's? Yeah, it should. Otherwise clever. Par.

    Wordle birdie.

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  87. Anonymous2:51 PM

    Malaika, you have to go back much much further for when "I'm hip" was all the rage. About 50 to 60 years ago. That was the HIPpie generation, which nowadays is called the "man are my hips sore today" generation.

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  88. Anonymous3:15 PM

    It's a multiletteral puzzle!!! Rebus schmebus! My ESP made me sense very early on that some kind of Thursday chicanery was afoot, but would it be multiple letters, or turn a corner, or reverse direction? I actually found this easier than yesterpuz, but definitely not easy.

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  89. Brilliant puzzle. Really enjoyed that solving for the reveal was essential but then immediately led to four separate Aha! moments as each theme answer became clear.

    Remembering the game (in 1963 I think) when the three ALOU brothers comprised the entire outfield for the SF Giants. Much later Felipe was perhaps the best Montreal Expos manager ever.

    Mini-theme: CUD, ELTORO, STEERS, MEATEATER? (Sensitive to excluding NESSIE, IMPALA and TOTO here!)

    SETAE left me bristling though!

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